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Wind River  
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 More options Nov 11 2003, 9:07 pm
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From: Wind River <windri...@voyager.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:07 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 11 2003 7:53 pm
Subject: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
I don't really know why I wrote this. I was holding my starling today,
trimming his beak, bathing him, that sort of stuff. Maybe that's why,
but this isn't autobiographical for me or my bird. I'm not even sure if
it's a story, so I called it a slice of life. It just flowed out of me
this afternoon, kind of like a stream of consciousness thing. Anyway, I
hope it's enjoyable for some and not too depressing.
-Sue

ELLEN'S BIRD
by Wind River

Ellen flitted through life, wondering what it was all about. Unable to
find meaning in the many jobs that she'd held through the years, she
focused on helping others. Late at night, she held the phone like a
lover's hand and talked with her friends, telling them that they'd be
okay. The pain of others caused her to wonder about life even more. It
doesn't make sense, she thought. You live. You cry. You die.

One day while she was running errands downtown, a starling fell into her
life. The featherless nestling dropped from the eave of the old bank and
into a large pot of petunias and ivy. Two inches to the left, and it
would have crashed on the brick sidewalk. She looked up at the roof
edge. Nesting material was hanging out of a crack, and dirty white
droppings streaked the building's side.

It was too high to return the bird to its nest, so she cupped it in her
hands and walked home.

The bird screamed and gaped every twenty minutes. She poked food down
its throat and cleaned its make-shift nest. As its feathers grew, she
identified the bird as a starling. "A trash bird," her mother said. "You
should pinch its head off."

Ellen was in love with the bird. "I think he's beautiful." He fluttered
to her shoulder and spread her lips apart with his beak. "No worms in
there, you silly bird," she said. With a small squawk, he appeared
indignant and made her giggle. She reached to pet him, and he grabbed a
little piece of skin by her fingernail and twisted it. "Ouch! You bad
bird, you!" She laughed and covered her finger with her other hand. He
cocked his head, pecked at her knuckle, and tried to pry her fingers
apart with his beak. All of his antics intrigued her and endeared him to
her.

The bird was her companion for fifteen years. During that time, she
didn't question the meaning of life. She lived it and appreciated the
gift she'd been given. One evening, Ellen noticed the bird resting in
the bottom of his cage with his feathers fluffed. Like a nestling, she
cupped him in her hands, but the warmth didn't revive him. He was too
old and tired.

After he died, she stood in the cold night air and gazed at the stars.
The tiny lights reminded her of the speckled bird. What is life all
about? she wondered. It doesn't make sense. You live. You cry. You die.

END


 
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From: "Patrick Null" <patn...@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:29:41 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 11 2003 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Sue wrote:
"Wind River" <windri...@voyager.net> wrote in message

news:3FB19671.50ADEF54@voyager.net...

> I don't really know why I wrote this. I was >holding my starling today,
> trimming his beak, bathing him, that sort of stuff. >Maybe that's why,
> but this isn't autobiographical for me or my bird. >I'm not even sure if
> it's a story, so I called it a slice of life. It just >flowed out of me
> this afternoon, kind of like a stream of >consciousness thing. Anyway, I
> hope it's enjoyable for some and not too >depressing.
> -Sue

> ELLEN'S BIRD
> by Wind River

Well, I've got news for you-this is depressing.  I mean, really depressing.
It has a spark of hope when the bird comes into the picture, but....wow, is
this depressing.

Oh, hi Sue!  I think I forgot to say that.

This is a good piece.  Comments below:

> Ellen flitted through life, wondering what it was >all about.

I don't know if I like "flitted", though I think you're trying to stick with
bird images.

> Unable to
> find meaning in the many jobs that she'd held >through the years, she
> focused on helping others.

Like what?  Details, ma'am.

>Late at night, she held the phone like a
> lover's hand and talked with her friends, telling >them that they'd be
> okay.

Oh, ok, these must be the details.  I thought that she had gotten a job
helping others.  Maybe she can work for a rape hotline or something?  Oh,
and I really can't reconcile the image of a phone being held like a lover's
hand.  Sorry.

 >The pain of others caused her to wonder about >life even more. It

> doesn't make sense, she thought. You live. You >cry. You die.

I like those three short sentences.  Very nice.

> One day while she was running errands >downtown, a starling fell into her
> life.

Try "She was running errands downtown one day when a starling fell into her
life."  This way, the sentence starts with action.  Whaddya think?

> The featherless nestling dropped from the eave >of the old bank and
> into a large pot of petunias and ivy. Two inches >to the left, and it
> would have crashed on the brick sidewalk.

I don't know if I like crash.  I think of plates crashing.  Maybe landed?  A
better verb might be in order, certainly.

 >She looked up at the roof

> edge. Nesting material was hanging out of a >crack, and dirty white
> droppings streaked the building's side.

Very nice details.  You're in your element when you get to write vivid
images.

> It was too high to return the bird to its nest, so >she cupped it in her
> hands and walked home.

I have a problem with this too, but you might be overexplaining a bit.  If
you just said "The nest was too high, so she cupped it in her hands and
walked home", we would get the implied message.

> The bird screamed and gaped every twenty >minutes. She poked food down
> its throat and cleaned its make-shift nest. As its >feathers grew, she
> identified the bird as a starling. "A trash bird," >her mother said. "You
> should pinch its head off."

> Ellen was in love with the bird.

You might want to consider Ellen naming the bird so you don't have to keep
referring to it as "the bird."

And especially, if the bird lives with her for fifteen years, the bird WOULD
get a name.

> "I think he's beautiful." He fluttered
> to her shoulder and spread her lips apart with his >beak. "No worms in
> there, you silly bird," she said. With a small >squawk, he appeared
> indignant and made her giggle. She reached to >pet him, and he grabbed a
> little piece of skin by her fingernail and twisted it. >"Ouch! You bad
> bird, you!" She laughed and covered her finger >with her other hand. He
> cocked his head, pecked at her knuckle, and >tried to pry her fingers
> apart with his beak. All of his antics intrigued her >and endeared him to
> her.

Nice.  My only suggestion is to either restructure this paragraph or break
it into smaller paragraphs.  Because, the way it stands right now, you have
three pieces of dialogue all in the same paragraph.

> The bird was her companion for fifteen years.

I don't know much about birds, but do they live that long?

>During that time, she
> didn't question the meaning of life. She lived it >and appreciated the
> gift she'd been given. One evening, Ellen noticed >the bird resting in
> the bottom of his cage with his feathers fluffed. >Like a nestling, she
> cupped him in her hands, but the warmth didn't >revive him. He was too
> old and tired.

> After he died, she stood in the cold night air and >gazed at the stars.
> The tiny lights reminded her of the speckled bird. >What is life all
> about? she wondered. It doesn't make sense. >You live. You cry. You die.

> END

Depreesing ending, but I love how you brought it full circle with the
repetition of those three concise sentences.

Nice job.  I'm impressed.

Take care.


 
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From: Wind River <windri...@voyager.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:49:54 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 11 2003 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Patrick Null wrote:

> Well, I've got news for you-this is depressing.  I mean, really depressing.
> It has a spark of hope when the bird comes into the picture, but....wow, is
> this depressing.

> Oh, hi Sue!  I think I forgot to say that.

Hi Patrick! Did I depress you?

> This is a good piece.  Comments below:

> > Ellen flitted through life, wondering what it was >all about.

> I don't know if I like "flitted", though I think you're trying to stick with
> bird images.

I don't know if I like it either. I wrote it and posted it with only one
a quick edit. I'll have to let it sit.

> > Unable to
> > find meaning in the many jobs that she'd held >through the years, she
> > focused on helping others.

> Like what?  Details, ma'am.

You sound like the guy in that old show, Dragnet. "Just the facts,
ma'am." Okay. I know it's sketchy. My thoughts were she flitted from job
to job, looking for meaning in her life. That's what I should've said. :)

> >Late at night, she held the phone like a
> > lover's hand and talked with her friends, telling >them that they'd be
> > okay.

> Oh, ok, these must be the details.  I thought that she had gotten a job
> helping others.  Maybe she can work for a rape hotline or something?  Oh,
> and I really can't reconcile the image of a phone being held like a lover's
> hand.  Sorry.

Aw. I guess plastic isn't too romantic.

>  >The pain of others caused her to wonder about >life even more. It
> > doesn't make sense, she thought. You live. You >cry. You die.

> I like those three short sentences.  Very nice.

But they're depressing.

> > One day while she was running errands >downtown, a starling fell into her
> > life.

> Try "She was running errands downtown one day when a starling fell into her
> life."  This way, the sentence starts with action.  Whaddya think?

I see what you're saying, but I was trying to avoid starting so many
sentences with "She".

> > The featherless nestling dropped from the eave >of the old bank and
> > into a large pot of petunias and ivy. Two inches >to the left, and it
> > would have crashed on the brick sidewalk.

> I don't know if I like crash.  I think of plates crashing.  Maybe landed?  A
> better verb might be in order, certainly.

I had splattered at first. Landed won't work because nestlings can't
fly, and the fall on bricks or pavement would probably kill them. I'll
come up with something better. I don't care for crash too much either.

>  >She looked up at the roof
> > edge. Nesting material was hanging out of a >crack, and dirty white
> > droppings streaked the building's side.

> Very nice details.  You're in your element when you get to write vivid
> images.

I love that kind of writing, but I need to work on other stuff to be
more well-rounded. Sigh. Can't I write a whole story with nothing but images?

> > It was too high to return the bird to its nest, so >she cupped it in her
> > hands and walked home.

> I have a problem with this too, but you might be overexplaining a bit.  If
> you just said "The nest was too high, so she cupped it in her hands and
> walked home", we would get the implied message.

Let me think about it. I'm not sure.

> > The bird screamed and gaped every twenty >minutes. She poked food down
> > its throat and cleaned its make-shift nest. As its >feathers grew, she
> > identified the bird as a starling. "A trash bird," >her mother said. "You
> > should pinch its head off."

> > Ellen was in love with the bird.

> You might want to consider Ellen naming the bird so you don't have to keep
> referring to it as "the bird."

> And especially, if the bird lives with her for fifteen years, the bird WOULD
> get a name.

You're right, it should be named. I shouldn't admit this, but I have two
parakeets that I've had for seven years. I never named them. We call one
of them "the blue parakeet" and the other one "the yellow parakeet".

> > "I think he's beautiful." He fluttered
> > to her shoulder and spread her lips apart with his >beak. "No worms in
> > there, you silly bird," she said. With a small >squawk, he appeared
> > indignant and made her giggle. She reached to >pet him, and he grabbed a
> > little piece of skin by her fingernail and twisted it. >"Ouch! You bad
> > bird, you!" She laughed and covered her finger >with her other hand. He
> > cocked his head, pecked at her knuckle, and >tried to pry her fingers
> > apart with his beak. All of his antics intrigued her >and endeared him to
> > her.

> Nice.  My only suggestion is to either restructure this paragraph or break
> it into smaller paragraphs.  Because, the way it stands right now, you have
> three pieces of dialogue all in the same paragraph.

Yep, you're right.

> > The bird was her companion for fifteen years.

> I don't know much about birds, but do they live that long?

Yep. I have a starling that's fifteen. He's not as active as he used to
be, but he's still in good health. I think the longest lived one on
record is twenty years. I doubt mine will live that long, but I hope he
makes it a few more years. I like him.

> Depreesing ending, but I love how you brought it full circle with the
> repetition of those three concise sentences.

I was trying to show that her life had meaning for those fifteen years,
because she stopped seeking the meaning. I don't know. Just kind of a
fun thing that wrote itself.

> Nice job.  I'm impressed.

Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate it.

> Take care.

You too.

-Sue


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:45:59 -0000
Local: Wed, Nov 12 2003 2:45 am
Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

"Wind River" <windri...@voyager.net> wrote in message

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> I don't really know why I wrote this. I was holding my starling today,
> trimming his beak, bathing him, that sort of stuff. Maybe that's why,
> but this isn't autobiographical for me or my bird. I'm not even sure if
> it's a story, so I called it a slice of life. It just flowed out of me
> this afternoon, kind of like a stream of consciousness thing. Anyway, I
> hope it's enjoyable for some and not too depressing.
> -Sue

 Nice work here, Sue.  And the lovers' hand metaphor was a peach.  It's a
sweet piece - well, bittersweet perhaps. A question- are you suggesting that
to be in love is to stop questioning the meaning of life? But well-written,
certainly. (I was also going to ask if 15 years isn't rather long for a bird
to live, but I'm quite sure you've researched that part!)

 
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Date: 12 Nov 2003 02:07:54 -0800
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Wind River <windri...@voyager.net> wrote in message <news:3FB19671.50ADEF54@voyager.net>...
> I don't really know why I wrote this. I was holding my starling today,
> trimming his beak, bathing him, that sort of stuff. Maybe that's why,
> but this isn't autobiographical for me or my bird. I'm not even sure if
> it's a story, so I called it a slice of life. It just flowed out of me
> this afternoon, kind of like a stream of consciousness thing. Anyway, I
> hope it's enjoyable for some and not too depressing.
> -Sue

> ELLEN'S BIRD
> by Wind River

Yes, well, definitely depressing over tone, but a surprising contrast
with the meat of it and the message (if I read it right) which is
rather up-lifting.

A woman, disatisfied and depressed with her own life, finds a certain
amount of meaning in helping others, albeit from a distance (through
the phone).  When a chance comes for her to share her life with
another living being, she stops questioning the meaning and the giving
credence to her depressing thoughts and just lives and enjoys that
interaction.  When that chance for immediate interaction is gone is
when it gets depressing again as the reader learns something, but she,
sadly, does not.

She's right back to the same old thing.  Like I said, a depressing
character, but a surprisingly uplifting message.

Nice work, Sue.

(please notice the above contained no Dr. Seuss-like chlidren's ryming
games)

Bart


 
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Date: 12 Nov 2003 03:02:26 -0800
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Wind River <windri...@voyager.net> wrote in message <news:3FB19671.50ADEF54@voyager.net>...

> Ellen was in love with the bird. "I think he's beautiful." He fluttered
> to her shoulder and spread her lips apart with his beak. "No worms in
> there, you silly bird," she said. With a small squawk, he appeared
> indignant and made her giggle. She reached to pet him, and he grabbed a
> little piece of skin by her fingernail and twisted it. "Ouch! You bad
> bird, you!" She laughed and covered her finger with her other hand. He
> cocked his head, pecked at her knuckle, and tried to pry her fingers
> apart with his beak. All of his antics intrigued her and endeared him to
> her.

Also meant to add that the above passage is what pushed it passed, for
me, just being the story between the bird and the woman, and started
speaking in the larger terms of relationships.

The little hurt the bird caused, the bird interacting with and
influencing her, making mistakes in their relationship that would
cause her to say "Bad bird!"  The antics that intrigued and endeared.

She was in love and caring for for something besides herself.  A
little self-loathing and co-dependence thrown in and we have the
complete picture of the relationship in so few words.  Nicely done,
Sue.

Bart


 
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:07 -0500, Wind River <windri...@voyager.net>
wrote:

>I don't really know why I wrote this. I was holding my starling today,
>trimming his beak, bathing him, that sort of stuff. Maybe that's why,
>but this isn't autobiographical for me or my bird. I'm not even sure if
>it's a story, so I called it a slice of life. It just flowed out of me
>this afternoon, kind of like a stream of consciousness thing. Anyway, I
>hope it's enjoyable for some and not too depressing.
>-Sue

>ELLEN'S BIRD
>by Wind River

Snip

Hi Sue,

It's a little depressing, yes. If you want to do something about it,
it's the end you need to look at. It points backwards rather than
forwards and that is essentially what makes it depressing. If the
death of the bird made her get on with her life from passive to active
participant in life, it would lighten up the story considerably.

I wonder if Ellen would have had a lot of jobs? She seems to be the
steady support of her friends, living a quiet life, dominated by
routines but with no fixed obligations towards others. I say this
because caring for a nestling requires plenty of time. She would need
to take some time off from work until the bird is able to find food on
its own.  

The essence of the story, Ellen's relationship with the bird, is
brilliantly described. After reading the first paragraph I was going
to mention the old mantra: "Show, don't tell", but you 'tell' to get
to the point without boring the reader, and then 'show' the reader her
love for the bird. Beautiful.

Thanks for sharing.

Kind regards

Danson


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:03:45 +0100
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:45:59 -0000, "michael"

<michaeljhu...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Snip

>certainly. (I was also going to ask if 15 years isn't rather long for a bird
>to live, but I'm quite sure you've researched that part!)

I had the same thought, so i did a little research: The maximum
recorded age for a starling is 20 years.  

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:23:51 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

"H. Danson" wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:45:59 -0000, "michael"
> <michaeljhu...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Snip

> >certainly. (I was also going to ask if 15 years isn't rather long for a bird
> >to live, but I'm quite sure you've researched that part!)

> I had the same thought, so i did a little research: The maximum
> recorded age for a starling is 20 years.

The one that shares my home is fifteen and a half. He's an old bird.

-Sue


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:24:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

michael wrote:
>  Nice work here, Sue.  And the lovers' hand metaphor was a peach.  It's a
> sweet piece - well, bittersweet perhaps. A question- are you suggesting that
> to be in love is to stop questioning the meaning of life? But well-written,
> certainly. (I was also going to ask if 15 years isn't rather long for a bird
> to live, but I'm quite sure you've researched that part!)

I didn't intend the message of love being the reason she stopped
questioning life, but more that she was living life instead of analyzing
it. Something unexpected came into her life, and she didn't turn her
back on it. As a result, she found meaning without realizing it. That
sort of thing.

My pet starling is fifteen and a half. He's old, but still doing fine.
It's amazing how long birds do live. Some parrots have lifespans longer
than ours.

Thanks, Michael, for the feedback.

-Sue


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:54:22 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

I was hoping it would go beyond the bird for some readers, but still
make a nice surface story for others.

> The little hurt the bird caused, the bird interacting with and
> influencing her, making mistakes in their relationship that would
> cause her to say "Bad bird!"  The antics that intrigued and endeared.

> She was in love and caring for for something besides herself.  A
> little self-loathing and co-dependence thrown in and we have the
> complete picture of the relationship in so few words.  Nicely done,

Thank you again, Bart.

 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:54:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

I must have done something right because you got the message. Thank you,
Bart. I really appreciate the feedback.

> (please notice the above contained no Dr. Seuss-like chlidren's ryming
> games)

"Boo-hoo," cries Sue Two. :(

 
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From: Wind River <windri...@voyager.fishnet>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:54:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

"H. Danson" wrote:

> Hi Sue,

Hi Danson

> It's a little depressing, yes. If you want to do something about it,
> it's the end you need to look at. It points backwards rather than
> forwards and that is essentially what makes it depressing. If the
> death of the bird made her get on with her life from passive to active
> participant in life, it would lighten up the story considerably.

I thought of moving her forward, but I kind of like it returning to
where it was. I might try it the other way as an experiment. It's short
enough to play around with.

> I wonder if Ellen would have had a lot of jobs? She seems to be the
> steady support of her friends, living a quiet life, dominated by
> routines but with no fixed obligations towards others. I say this
> because caring for a nestling requires plenty of time. She would need
> to take some time off from work until the bird is able to find food on
> its own.

It does take a lot of time caring for a nestling. I remember taking one
to work with me. Fortunately, my job was one where my boss didn't mind
as long as I got the work done. Once he brought his neice to work with
him and was disappointed that I didn't have a baby rabbit or something
in my office.

> The essence of the story, Ellen's relationship with the bird, is
> brilliantly described. After reading the first paragraph I was going
> to mention the old mantra: "Show, don't tell", but you 'tell' to get
> to the point without boring the reader, and then 'show' the reader her
> love for the bird. Beautiful.

> Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for reading, Danson. I really appreciate the feedback.

-Sue


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:02:52 -0000
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

windri...@voyager.net wrote:
> ELLEN'S BIRD
> by Wind River

Interesting and well-written piece, Sue. I had no idea you had a
starling. Quite a co-incidence, writing a non-autobiographical story
about something like that <g>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:07:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Huw Lyan Thomas wrote:

> windri...@voyager.net wrote:

> > ELLEN'S BIRD
> > by Wind River

> Interesting and well-written piece, Sue. I had no idea you had a
> starling. Quite a co-incidence, writing a non-autobiographical story
> about something like that <g>

Well, I'm different than Ellen, and my starling is different than hers. :)

I got mine as an immature bird. Someone was working in their garden, and
he landed on their back and wouldn't get off. They were afraid he had
rabies and called the wildlife center I volunteered with. I tried
several times to release him, but he refused to leave. He liked me
better than a tree and the indoors better than the outdoors. I figure
someone raised him, and he imprinted on humans. They'll do that unless
you raise them with other birds.

Thanks Huw for reading. I appreciate it.

-Sue


 
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

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> michael wrote:

> My pet starling is fifteen and a half. He's old, but still doing fine.
> It's amazing how long birds do live. Some parrots have lifespans longer
> than ours.

Wow. That's nearly as old as my little brother.

> Thanks, Michael, for the feedback.

> -Sue

I was thinking about this today, Sue.  Dust it off a little - some of Pat's
word suggestions seemed prescient - and check out www.flashquake.org  or
www.insolentrudder.org - I suspect both would be interested in this piece.
Let me repeat, I think you did a great job with this.

 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:06:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

michael wrote:

> "Wind River" <windri...@voyager.fishnet> wrote in message
> news:3FB23A41.8DCE1D73@voyager.fishnet...
> > michael wrote:

> > My pet starling is fifteen and a half. He's old, but still doing fine.
> > It's amazing how long birds do live. Some parrots have lifespans longer
> > than ours.

> Wow. That's nearly as old as my little brother.

You make me feel so old sometimes. :)

As long as you don't tell me I'm acting my age ... That would be dreadful.

> > Thanks, Michael, for the feedback.

> > -Sue

> I was thinking about this today, Sue.  Dust it off a little - some of Pat's
> word suggestions seemed prescient - and check out www.flashquake.org  or
> www.insolentrudder.org - I suspect both would be interested in this piece.
> Let me repeat, I think you did a great job with this.

Thanks Michael. I'll take a look at the sites.

-Sue


 
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:25 -0600
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

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|
| ELLEN'S BIRD
| by Wind River
|
| Ellen flitted through life, wondering what it was all about

Since this was not labeled as "Flash" I thought that despite experience and
what I take (rightly or wrongly) to be my better judgment, that the
miraculous could occur, that such brevity would not always mitigate against
a piece of prose so far as it might meet the barest minimum of standards for
a story--well, I went ahead and read it.

So, let all "better judgment" be set aside, even so, we usually find that
experience seldom lies, and this is no story; instead, it's rather a decent
little sketch dashed off as the outlines of something that could become
such.  The inspiration was a bird, the wiggly little morsel of meat of the
matter was the manner in which a presence of the bird--so long as it
lived--served to divert the protagonist's all-too-normal angst-filled
concerns about the "meaning of life".

But that this is the mere sketch for a real story, a murmuring at the ear of
inspiration come at the chirping of a bird is given by a serious problem of
credibility, for this reader, in any case who would find it difficult to
attribute such an epiphany of existential healing to so minimal a
relationship.  It might have worked for the Birdman of Alcatraz, but there's
something real stingy in me that refuses to grant any such magic to a bird
when there are so many humans out there who have 'crashed' to the sidewalk
under broken wings to whom a like level of devotion could perform ever so
much more.

You see? I would be more inclined to agree with the protagonist's mother . .
.

| "A trash bird," her mother said. "You
| should pinch its head off."

Yes, and then go out and save a human being.  You see?  When the bird died,
there was nothing for it but that the old existential angst should come
roaring right back again.  The bird was too easy to love and required very
little sacrifice from the soul of the bird-lover. The Birdman was the
murderer of a human being, but he did so love his birds. So I can't give my
sentiment to something that I see as just another sort of self-indulgence
that acts as a poultice for a worse kind.

Yet there is a truth given by it which is simple but powerful:  that
devotion to other is the necessary loss of self which frees man from morbid
thoughts about the "meaning of life", that is, in the face of, namely,
Death?  Yes.  The inspiration from the bird here is bigger than the bird and
the story which is implied is bigger than this sketch.

As to all this whining from other reviewers about "how depressing it is",
well that is just their own self-indulgence, their fear, their desire ever
to keep their eyes averted from the existential problem presented by this
story.  Without a happy ending given them they start whimpering because they
have yet to be brought face to face with the biggest Bluebird of Truth in
life which is this:  true devotion given to the other is Death to the self,
and no, it isn't just something 'like' death, if it is True Love it *is*
death, the same death that must be faced at mortal death which is the
immense pain of knowing that one's own self must cease to exist--and against
that pain, all physical agony pales to a mere aggravation.

Death is what must happen in order for a person to love, truly love the
other, and once that's been done in the biggest way it can be done, there is
never any telling what else can be done, whether as by someone like Mother
Theresa and her first love, Jesus or as the world has seen it performed in
the drama of every great romance, whether of Paris and Helen, Orpheus and
Eurydice, Romeo and Juliet or by Oona O'Neill and Chaplin; from the
imagination of E. Wharton in Ethan Frome, in every real life situation where
people have learned a more selfless love of one another that cannot perish
with death, then and only then, with that kind of love only is all blind
terror of angst banished from the human soul's existence.

And if you, Susan, were the little Starling perched on my shoulder, then
this is the inspiration that your little sketch has chirped to me.

So, thank you very sweetly.
--
JP

|
| Ellen was in love with the bird. "I think he's beautiful."


 
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Date: 13 Nov 2003 00:38:21 -0800
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
Hi Wind River,

You start empty/depressed, add hope/purpose, extinguish hope/purpose,
and we're left empty/depressed. That she's one of those who tell
others there's meaning makes it even more depressing.

You're writing well since you manage to pull us through all that.

I liked how you ended the story in the beginning, and teach us
insights about starlings in a non-preachy way.

The negative aspects of the bird, "it's a trash bird", "he grabbed a
little piece of skin", really make him more endearing and interesting.

The only confusing part was in the fourth paragraph, "she identified
it as a starling." You identified it in the second paragraph. Maybe
it's better you don't mention it's name there if you're going to
identify it later?

Always enjoy your stories.  :-)

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From: Wind River <windri...@voyager.fishnet>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:04:56 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

That's why I labeled "slice of life". It's not a typical flash story
with a strong twist at the end, and it's not a traditional story either.
It is more like a sketch, but in many ways I love Rembrandt's and
Surat's sketches more than their paintings.

> But that this is the mere sketch for a real story, a murmuring at the ear of
> inspiration come at the chirping of a bird is given by a serious problem of
> credibility, for this reader, in any case who would find it difficult to
> attribute such an epiphany of existential healing to so minimal a
> relationship.  It might have worked for the Birdman of Alcatraz, but there's
> something real stingy in me that refuses to grant any such magic to a bird
> when there are so many humans out there who have 'crashed' to the sidewalk
> under broken wings to whom a like level of devotion could perform ever so
> much more.

> You see? I would be more inclined to agree with the protagonist's mother . .

"I'd pinch its head off" is what my mother once said about a feisty
bluejay I raised. The next day, I found her slipping a treat to it
through the cage bars.

> As to all this whining from other reviewers about "how depressing it is",
> well that is just their own self-indulgence, their fear, their desire ever
> to keep their eyes averted from the existential problem presented by this
> story.  Without a happy ending given them they start whimpering because they
> have yet to be brought face to face with the biggest Bluebird of Truth in
> life which is this:  true devotion given to the other is Death to the self,
> and no, it isn't just something 'like' death, if it is True Love it *is*
> death, the same death that must be faced at mortal death which is the
> immense pain of knowing that one's own self must cease to exist--and against
> that pain, all physical agony pales to a mere aggravation.

Well said, John.

> And if you, Susan, were the little Starling perched on my shoulder, then
> this is the inspiration that your little sketch has chirped to me.

> So, thank you very sweetly.

And thank you. Some wonderful thoughts here. I appreciate it.

-Sue


 
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:05:03 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

HavingFun wrote:

> Hi Wind River,

Hi HavingFun!

> I liked how you ended the story in the beginning, and teach us
> insights about starlings in a non-preachy way.

I don't like being preached to, so I try not to do that in my stories. I
don't always agree with my characters' actions or thoughts, but I like
writing stories which give the reader something subtle to think about.
If I don't write something thought-provoking, I'm usually trying to
create a mood they can absorb when they read, whether it be calmness or
sadness or whatever. I tend to use nature a lot to do this, because it's
all around us. Even when someone's driving down the road, yakking on a
cell phone, nature's there. The partial wing of a monarch stuck to their
car's grill, the rabbit who dashes across the road in front of the car,
or the sleet pelting the windshield. Uh ... sorry. I didn't mean to get
side-tracked. I think I see the beginnings of a story in this though.

> The negative aspects of the bird, "it's a trash bird", "he grabbed a
> little piece of skin", really make him more endearing and interesting.

> The only confusing part was in the fourth paragraph, "she identified
> it as a starling." You identified it in the second paragraph. Maybe
> it's better you don't mention it's name there if you're going to
> identify it later?

Thank you for mentioning this. When I wrote it, I wondered it that would
be a problem or create a bump in the story. I'll change it, so we don't
know it's a starling until she figures it out.

> Always enjoy your stories.  :-)

Wow! Thanks. It means a lot hearing that. Lol, I have written some
really terrible ones too. I guess we all have.

Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.

-Sue


 
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:01:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
Sue, I like this!  I think it would work great as a story, perhaps begin at
the end and then flashback to the day she found the bird, using specific and
immediate images and then maybe add another event in her relationship with
the critter.  The antics of the bird are great and give him personality that
only an animal lover would notice.  Most people credit their dogs or cats
with personality, but all animals have one if you look long enough.  My
husband used to have an aquarium with slider turtles.  They were fun to
watch play or hunt for the minnows he would put in the tank.

Your voice comes through strong in this also, and that is because you're
writing about you passion: animals.  You should explore that more.

Judie

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:20:15 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

jpg-writer wrote:

> Sue, I like this!  I think it would work great as a story, perhaps begin at
> the end and then flashback to the day she found the bird, using specific and
> immediate images and then maybe add another event in her relationship with

I don't know if I want to make this one much longer. I've written a
couple of long stories involving wildlife rehabilitators and wild
animals, so I think I'd rather work on tidying this one up as a short
one. I might add a little more to it, maybe in the death scene. Dunno yet.

> the critter.  The antics of the bird are great and give him personality that
> only an animal lover would notice.  Most people credit their dogs or cats
> with personality, but all animals have one if you look long enough.  My
> husband used to have an aquarium with slider turtles.  They were fun to
> watch play or hunt for the minnows he would put in the tank.

When I was a child, I hatched two snapping turtles from some eggs that I
found under a tree. I was amazed by the difference in disposition
between them. They were like night and day. Really interesting animals.

> Your voice comes through strong in this also, and that is because you're
> writing about you passion: animals.  You should explore that more.

Thank you, Judie. I appreciate the feedback, and I'm glad you enjoyed
it. Lol, I do have other passions, so I'm not sure why I always
gravitate to the animals. I definitely don't mind exploring the subject
more. :)

-Sue


 
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:53:07 -0500, Wind River <windri...@voyager.net>
wrote:

>ELLEN'S BIRD
>by Wind River

I have mixed feelings about this story.

First, it's well written--no need to go picking nits. It's
interesting; I read through with no thought of stopping.

Yet when I thought about it, I was unsatisfied. Ellen really is
one dimensional. Somehow she seeks love by helping others,
but that's not enough; she can't bring herself to commit to a
single human being, but she finds a tiny life that she can
control almost completely, and falls in love.  But  when her
bird dies, she has learned nothing.

>With a small squawk, he appeared
>indignant and made her giggle. She reached to pet him, and he grabbed a
>little piece of skin by her fingernail and twisted it. "Ouch! You bad
>bird, you!" She laughed and covered her finger with her other hand.

At the end, she completely forgets the two words she needs to
add to her understanding of life: we laugh.

Yes, this would be depressing if it were real, but it isn't. What
was wrong with her was not depression; truly depressed people
don't adopt baby birds. She strikes me as spoiled; she wants
love, but is unwilling to give it--except to a bird. When the bird
dies, she whines. No, I don't think I like this woman.

So for this to be a truly human story, we need to know more
about her. What turned her into an inhuman monster? And
how did she manage to give love even to a bird, without
learning more of life? Write that story and you'll have
something moving and beautiful.

Meanwhile, I'll await your next one with great hope--anyone
who writes as well a you do can turn out something wonderful.

Carter

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:11:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: (Slice of life) Ellen's Bird (423 words)

Carter Jefferson wrote:

> At the end, she completely forgets the two words she needs to
> add to her understanding of life: we laugh.

You know, I almost added "we laugh", but it didn't seem to fit. I wanted
to show that she found meaning when she was living it, but lost it when
she searched for it. And, you're right, she's not a person I'd want to
spend time around.

> Yes, this would be depressing if it were real, but it isn't. What
> was wrong with her was not depression; truly depressed people
> don't adopt baby birds. She strikes me as spoiled; she wants
> love, but is unwilling to give it--except to a bird. When the bird
> dies, she whines. No, I don't think I like this woman.

I knew a woman who suffered from depression, and about the only thing
she really cared for was raising injured and orphaned birds. She wasn't
pleasant to be around, but she did a great job with the birds. She
didn't like caring for mammals or reptiles very much.

> So for this to be a truly human story, we need to know more
> about her. What turned her into an inhuman monster? And
> how did she manage to give love even to a bird, without
> learning more of life? Write that story and you'll have
> something moving and beautiful.

I'll probably give it the drawer treatment -- putting it away for awhile
and coming back to it later. At that point, I might expand it.

> Meanwhile, I'll await your next one with great hope--anyone
> who writes as well a you do can turn out something wonderful.

That means a lot. I don't always think of myself as a writer, so it's
nice to hear.

Thank you, Carter, for the feedback and suggestions. I appreciate it.

-Sue


 
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