Some historic religious sayings concerning women
Jude
TALMUD
"The sacred books should be burned rather than made available to women."
Sotah 3:4, Jewish Scripture
"Thank God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave." daily prayer
“Praised be God that he has not created me a gentile! Praised be God that
he has not created me a woman! Praised be God that he has not created me an
ignoramus! Praised that he has not created me a gentile: ‘For all gentiles
are as nothing before him,’ Isaiah 40:17. Praised that he has not created
me a woman because the woman is not obliged to fulfill the commandments.
Praised that he has not created me an ignoramus for the ignorant man does
not avoid sin.” (longer version, daily prayer)
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RABBINIC SAYINGS
"It is well for those whose children are male, but ill for those whose
children are female."
“Many women, much witchcraft.”
“A woman would rather have a single measure (of food) with wantonness than
nine measures with continence.”
"(a woman is) a pitcher full of filth with its mouth full of blood, yet all
run after her.”
"Cursed is the man whose child is a woman."
"Let the law be burned rather than delivered into the hands of a woman."
"At the birth of a boy all are joyful, but at the birth of a girl all are
sad."
"When a boy comes into the world, peace comes into the world: when a girl
comes, nothing comes."
"Even the most virtuous of women is a witch."
"Our teachers have said: Four qualities are evident in women: They are
greedy at their food, eager to gossip, lazy and jealous."
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CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA (Titus Flavius Clemens) Theologian and teacher (ca.
150-215 A.D.)
"Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a
woman." Pedagogues II, 33, 2
"Nor are women to be deprived of bodily exercise. But they are not to be
encouraged to engage in wrestling or running, but are to exercise themselves
in spinning, and weaving, and superintending the cooking if necessary. And
they are, with their own hand, to fetch from the store what we require. And
it is no disgrace for them to apply themselves to the mill. Nor is it a
reproach to a wife--housekeeper and helpmeet--to occupy herself in cooking,
so that it may be palatable to her husband. And if she shake up the couch,
reach drink to her husband when thirsty, set food on the table as neatly as
possible, and so give herself exercise tending to sound health, the
Instructor will approve of a woman like this, who 'stretches forth her arms
to useful tasks, rests her hands on the distaff, opens her hand to the pool,
and extends her wrist to the beggar.'" Paedagogus III
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QUINTUS TERTULLIAN, Theologian and moralist (ca. 160-225 A.D.)
"God's verdict on the sex still holds good, and the sex's guilt must still
hold also. You are the devil's gateway!"
"For your deceit, the very son of God had to perish!"
Women should go about "clad in mourning and ashes, her eyes overflowing with
the tears of remorse," he added, "to make us forget that you have been man's
destruction."
"These heretical women - how audacious they are! They have no modesty; they
are bold enough to teach, to engage in argument, to enact exorcisms, to
undertake cures, and, it may be, to even baptise!" speaking of gnostics, De
Praescr Demurrer Against the Heretics 41:45, 200 A.D.
"It is not permitted for a woman to speak in the church (1 Cor 14:3435), but
neither (is it permitted her) to teach, nor to baptise, nor to offer the
Eucharist, nor to claim to herself a share in any manly function, not to to
say sacerdotal (priestly) office" The Veiling of Virgins 9, 206 A.D.
"Woman is a temple built over a sewer, the gateway to the devil. Women are
the gate to hell."
"If there existed upon earth a faith in proportion to the reward that faith
will receive in heaven, no one of you, my beloved sisters, from the time
when you came to know the living God and recognized your own state, that
is, the condition of being a woman, would have desired a too attractive
garb, and much less anything that seemed too ostentatious. I think, rather,
that you would have dressed in mourning garments and even neglected your
exterior, acting the part of mourning and repentant Eve in order to expiate
more fully by all sorts of penitential garb that which woman derives from
Eve--the ignominy, I mean, of original sin and the odium of being the cause
of the fall of the human race. 'In sorrow and anxiety, you will bring
forth, O woman, and you are subject to your husband, and he is your
master.' Do you not believe that you are (each) an Eve? The sentence of God
on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live
too. You are the devil's gateway: you are the unsealer of that forbidden
tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuade
him (Adam) whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so
easily God's image, man. On account of your desert that is, death even the
Son of God had to die; and does it yet abide in your mind to deck you above
your skin coats?" De Culta Feminarum, Chapter 1, p. 1-3
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THEOPHILUS, Bishop of Antioch (ca. 144-185 A.D.)
"The pains of women in child-birth and the fact that serpents crawl on their
bellies were proofs that the account of the fall, as given in Genesis, was
true." Ad Autolycus
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CYPRIAN, bishop of Carthage (N. Africa) (ca. -258)
"Woman was the instrument which Satan employed to possess men's souls."
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THE APOSTOLIC DIDASCALIA (3rd century)
"For it is not to teach that you women . . . are appointed. . . . For he,
God the Lord, Jesus Christ our Teacher, sent us, the twelve (apostles), out
to teach the (chosen) people and the pagans. But there were female disciples
among us: Mary of Magdala, Mary the daughter of Jacob, and the other Mary;
he did not, however, send them out with us to teach the people. For, if it
had been necessary that women should teach, then our Teacher would have
directed them to instruct along with us" Didascalia 3:6:12, 225 A.D.
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ALBAN OF ALEXANDRIA ( 4th century)
"To find a virtuous women is like finding the one eel in a bag with 500
venomous snakes. And if you grope in the bag and find the eel you have but a
wet and slimy eel by the tail." on the difficulties of finding a wife
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AMBROSE, ArchBishop of Milan (ca. 340-397)
"Woman ought not only to have simple arrayment, but all authority is to be
denied unto her. For she must be in subjection to man (of whom she has taken
her origin), as well in dress as in service.... because that death did enter
into the world by her, there is no boldness that ought to be permitted unto
her, but she ought to be in humility. Hereof it is plain, that from every
woman, be she married or unmarried, is all authority taken to execute any
office that appertains to man. Yea, it is plain, that every woman is
commanded to serve, to be in humility and subjection.”
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JEROME, scholar and biblical translator (ca. 340-420 A.D.)
"Women are the gate of hell."
"Marriage is good for those who are afraid to sleep alone at night."
"Do not tell me about the violence of the ravisher, about the persuasiveness
of a mother, about the authority of a father, about the influence of
relatives, about the intrigues and insolence of servants, or about household
losses. So long as a husband lives, if she left him on account of his
crimes, he is her husband still and she may not take another." Letters 55:3,
September 30, 396 A.D.
"As long as a woman is for birth and children she is different from man as
body is from soul. But when she wishes to serve Christ more than the world,
then she will cease to be a woman, and will be called man." Commentary on
Ephesians, III ch.5
"Adam was deceived by Eve, and not Eve by Adam, and therefore it is just,
that woman receive and acknowledge him for governor whom she called to sin,
lest that again she slide and fall by womanly facility." Hexaemeron
"Women are commanded to be subject to men by the law of nature, because man
is the author or beginner of the woman: for as Christ is the head of the
church, so is man of the woman. From Christ the church took beginning, and
therefore it is subject unto him; even so did woman take beginning from man
that she should be subject." Hexaemeron
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JOHN CHRYSOSTOM, Archbishop of Constantinople (ca. 347-407 A.D.)
"Among all the savage beasts, none is so bestial as woman."
"The whole of her bodily beauty is nothing less than phlegm, blood, bile,
rheum, and the fluid of digested food... If you consider what is stored up
behind those lovely eyes, the angle of the nose, the mouth and cheeks you
will agree that the well-proportioned body is merely a whitened sepulcher."
"There are in the world a great many situations that weaken the
conscientiousness of the soul. First and foremost of these is dealings with
women. In his concern for the male sex, the superior may not forget the
females, who need greater care precisely because of their ready inclination
to sin. In this situation the evil enemy can find many ways to creep in
secretly. For the eye of woman touches and disturbs our soul, and not only
the eye of the unbridled woman, but that of the decent one as well." On
Priesthood, VI, Chapter 8
"Whoever gets married in this way and with these intentions will not be much
inferior to the monks and unmarried people."
"[W]hen one is required to preside over the Church and to be entrusted with
the care of so many souls, the whole female sex must retire before the
magnitude of the task, and the majority of men also, and we must bring
forward those who to a large extent surpass all others and soar as much
above them in excellence of spirit as Saul overtopped the whole Hebrew
nation in bodily stature" (The Priesthood 2:2, 387 A.D.).
"...necessary evil, a natural temptation, a domestic peril, a deadly
fascination, and a painted ill."
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AUGUSTINE, Bishop of Hippo and teacher (354-430 A.D)
“...And how that woman ought to obey man. The woman shall be subject to man
as unto Christ. For woman has not her example from the body and from the
flesh, that so she shall be subject to man, as the flesh is unto the Spirit,
because that the flesh in the weakness and mortality of this life lusts and
strives against the Spirit, and therefore would not the Holy Ghost give
example of subjection to the woman of any such thing..."
"For necessary sexual intercourse for begetting [children] is alone worthy
of marriage. But that which goes beyond this necessity no longer follows
reason but lust. And yet it pertains to the character of marriage . . . to
yield it to the partner lest by fornication the other sin damnably [through
adultery]. . . . [T]hey [must] not turn away from them the mercy of God . .
. by changing the natural use into that which is against nature, which is
more damnable when it is done in the case of husband or wife. For, whereas
that natural use, when it pass beyond the compact of marriage, that is,
beyond the necessity of begetting [children], is pardonable in the case of a
wife, damnable in the case of a harlot; that which is against nature is
execrable when done in the case of a harlot, but more execrable in the case
of a wife. Of so great power is the ordinance of the Creator, and the order
of creation, that . . . when the man shall wish to use a body part of the
wife not allowed for this purpose [orally or anally consummated sex], the
wife is more shameful, if she suffer it to take place in her own case, than
if in the case of another woman" (The Good of Marriage 11-12 [A.D. 401]).
"Any woman who does not give birth to as many children as she is capable is
guilty of murder."
"I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one
excludes the purpose of procreation. If woman was not given to man for help
in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together?
If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The
same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and
conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman
cohabitate?" De genesi ad litteram, 9, 5-9
"Therefore, if I were to ask any good Christian who has a wife, and even
though he may still be having children by her, whether he would like to have
his wife in that kingdom; mindful in any case of the promises of God, and of
that life where this incorruptible shall put on incorruption, and this
mortal shall put on immortality; though at present hesitating from the
greatness, or at least from a certain degree of love, he would reply with
execration that he is strongly averse to it. Were I to ask him again,
whether he would like his wife to live with him there, after the
resurrection, when she had undergone that angelic change which is promised
to the saints, he would reply that he desired this as strongly as he
reprobated the other. Thus a good Christian is found in one and the same
woman to love the creature of God, whom he desires to be transformed and
renewed; but to hate the corruptible and mortal conjugal connection and
sexual intercourse: i.e. to love in her what is characteristic of a human
being, to hate what belongs to her as a wife." On the Sermon on the Mount 1,
41
"Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should, in
fact, be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary
erections in holy men."
"We are born between feces and urine."
"I feel that nothing so casts down the manly mind from
it's height as the fondling of women and those bodily
contacts which belong to the married state." De Trinitate 7.7 Soliloq. I 10
"Good Christians are exhorted by him to simultaneously love a woman's
personality, yet to hate in her the corruptible and mortal conjugal
connection, sexual intercourse and all that pertains to her as a wife."
"Women do not even bear the image of God unless they are joined to a man."
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THE APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTIONS (4th century)
"Appoint, [O Bishop], a deaconess, faithful and holy, for the ministering of
women. For sometimes it is not possible to send a deacon into certain houses
of women, because of unbelievers. Send a deaconess, because of the thoughts
of the petty. A deaconess is of use to us also in many other situations.
First of all, in the baptizing of women, a deacon will touch only their
forehead with the holy oil, and afterwards the female deacon herself anoints
them" 3:16.
"[T]he man is the head of the woman (1 Cor. 11:3], and he is originally
ordained for the priesthood; it is not just to abrogate the order of the
creation and leave the first to come to the last part of the body. For the
woman is the body of the man, taken from his side and subject to him, from
whom she was separated for the procreation of children. For he says, He
shall rule over you [Gen. 3:16]. For the first part of the woman is the man,
as being her head. But if in the foregoing constitutions we have not
permitted them [women] to teach, how will any one allow them, contrary to
nature, to perform the office of the priest? For this is one of the ignorant
practices of Gentile atheism, to ordain women priests to the female deities,
not one of the constitutions of Christ" 3:9
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LEO THE GREAT, Pope (d. 461 A.D.)
"And so a wife is different from a concubine, even as a bondwoman from a
freewoman. For which reason the Apostle, in order to show the difference of
these persons, quotes from Genesis, where it is said to Abraham, 'Cast out
the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir
with my son Isaac And hence, since the marriage tie was, from the beginning
so constituted as apart from the joining of the sexes, to symbolize the
mystic union of Christ and His Church, it is undoubted that that woman has
no part in matrimony, in whose case it is shown that the mystery of marriage
has not taken place." to Rusticus, Epistle 167:4, November 10, 459 A.D.
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COUNCIL OF MACON, France (584 A.D.)
It was hotly debated whether women were human beings or animals. Many
Christians at the time thought that women had no souls and were deemed less
holy than men. The Christian view of females persisted in the orthodox
mediaeval definitions of a woman as a pestilential beast," "destroyer of
men," "bar to salvation," etc. The full text runs to about fifteen lines
of Latin invective. The notion was carried by 32 to 31 votes. Women were
voted human by only one vote of the majority!
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HUGUCCIO, canonist (d. 1210 A.D.)
“A male and not a female is said to be the glory of God for three reasons.
First, because God appeared more powerful and more glorious in the creation
of males than of females, for the glory of God was manifested principally
through man since God made him per se and from the slime of the earth
against nature, but the female was made from the man. Second because man was
made by God with nothing mediating, which is not the case for the female.
Third, because a man principally glorifies God, that is with nothing
mediating, but a female glorifies God through the mediation of a male since
a male teaches and instructs the female for the glorification of God.”
“A female yields to a man like a reed in the wind.”
“ (women) are forbidden to teach men, lest they think they should be held in
esteem.”
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PETRUS CANTOR, Theologian (ca. 1150-1197)
"Consider that the most lovely woman has come into being from a
foul-smelling drop of semen, then consider her midpoint, how she is a
container of filth; and after that consider her end, when she will be food
for worms."
"...intercourse with a beautiful woman is a greater sin than with an ugly
one, because it gives more delight."
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DECRETUM (12th century)
Quoting Ambrose, “Adam was deceived by Eve, and not Eve by Adam. The woman
summoned him to sin; it is just that he takes on the guidance of her, lest
he be ruined again by female recklessness.”
“It is the natural order in humans that females serve males and children
parents, since in this is justice that the lesser serve the greater.”
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SUMMA PARISIENSIS (12th century)
The female judges of the Old Testament were “miracles … more to be admired
than to be considered as an example for human action.”
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THEODORE BALSAMON, canonist (d. ca. 1196 A.D.)
Menstruation was called a defect of women’s nature that carried severe
consequences and was the reason for the disbanding of the office of
deaconess. “Once when the orders of canons of deaconesses were recognized,
they had their own status at the altar. However, the defilement of the
ministry by those menstruating expelled them from the divine and holy
altar.” The Western canonists followed Isidore of Seville in describing the
horrible effects of menstruation: “And in fact this blood is so detestable
and unclean that … through contact with it, fruits do not produce, wine
turns sour, plants die, trees lack fruit, the air darkens; if dogs eat (the
blood), they are then made wild with madness.”
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GLOSSA ORDINARIA (13th century)
“What is lighter that smoke? A breeze. What is lighter than a breeze? The
wind. What is lighter than the wind? A woman. What is lighter than a woman?
Nothing.”
“...nor is a woman able to be a witness against a cleric in a criminal case
since she is not able to be what they are.”
“A husband is able to judge a wife, correcting her ... But not beating her
... but he is able to chastise with moderation since she is of his family
... as lord his servant ... and likewise his hired hand.”
“It is stated here that if the wives of clerics should sin, they should not
kill them, but guard them lest they have the opportunity of sinning in
something else, weakening them by beatings and hunger, but not to death.”
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WILLIAM OF RENNES, Dominican and author (13th century)
“A woman taught one time and the whole world was overthrown.”
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HOSTIENSIS, canonist (13th century)
“The sex of women is naturally worse, hence commonly she lives less long
since she also has less natural heat and therefore as she is more quickly
ended, so she naturally ought to come to completion more quickly. ... Plato
truly said that therefore this is so since weeds grow more quickly than good
plants.”
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RAYMUND OF PENYAFORT, Dominican (1175-1275 A.D.)
“...Hence even an abbess, however learned, holy or religious, is not able to
preach, nor to bless, nor to excommunicate, nor to absolve, nor to give
penance, nor to judge, nor to exercise the office of any order.”
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ALBERT THE GREAT, theologian, scientist and teacher (1206-1280 A.D.)
"Woman is less qualified [than man] for moral behavior. For the woman
contains more liquid than the man, and it is a property of liquid to take
things up easily and to hold onto them poorly. Liquids are easily moved,
hence women are inconstant and curious. When a woman has relations with a
man, she would like, as much as possible, to be lying with another man at
the same time. Woman knows nothing of fidelity. Believe me, if you give her
your trust, you will be disappointed. Trust an experienced teacher. For this
reason prudent men share their plans and actions least of all with their
wives. Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in
comparison with his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she herself
cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And
so, to put it briefly, one must be on one's guard with every woman, as if
she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil.... In evil and perverse
doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman
toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good." Quaestiones
super de animalibus XV q. 11
"The north wind strengthens the power, and the south wind weakens it... The
north wind leads to the generation of males, the south wind to the
generation of females, because the north wind is pure and dries out the
exhalations and stimulates the natural force. But the south wind is moist
and heavy with rain." Quaestiones super de animalibus XVIII q.1
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THOMAS AQUINAS, theologian and philosopher (1225-1274 A.D.)
“A male is the beginning and end of woman, as God is the beginning and end
of every creature.”
"The female sex cannot represent Christ because women are incomplete human
beings." S.Th. III Supp. 39, 1
"A female is deficient and unintentionally caused. For the active power of
the semen always seeks to produce a thing completely like itself, something
male. So if a female is produced, this must be because the semen is weak or
because the material [provided by the mother] is unsuitable, or because of
the action of some external factor such as the winds from the south which
make the atmosphere humid" St. Th. I, q. 92, 1, 1
"By taking the vow of virginity or of consecrated widowhood and thus being
betrothed to Christ, they are raised to the dignity of men, through which
they are freed from subordination to men and are immediately united with
Christ." In I Cor. Ch.11, lectio 2
"Woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed
tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while
the production of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some
material indisposition, or even from some external influence, such as that
of a south wind, which is moist." Summa Theologica I q. 92 a. 1
"Good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were not
governed by others wiser than themselves. So by such a kind of subjection
woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason
predominates." Summa Theologica I q.92 a.1 reply 2
"Sobriety is most requisite in the young and in women, because concupiscence
of pleasure thrives in the young on account of the heat of youth, while in
women there is not sufficient strength of mind to resist concupiscence."
Summa Theologica II-II q.149 a.4
"The reliability of a person's evidence is weakened, sometimes indeed on
account of some fault of his...; sometimes, without any fault on his part,
and this owing either to a defect in the reason, as in the case of children,
imbeciles and women, or to personal feeling..." Summa Theologica II-II q.70
a.3
"the woman is subject to the man, on account of the weakness of her nature,
both of mind and body..."
"Good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were not
governed by others wiser than themselves. So by such a kind of subjection
woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason
predominates." Summa Theologica I q.92 a.1 reply 2
Objection 1. It would seem that the woman should not have been made in the
first production of things. For the Philosopher says (De Gener. ii, 3), that
"the female is a misbegotten male." But nothing misbegotten or defective
should have been in the first production of things. Therefore woman should
not have been made at that first production.
Objection 2. Further, subjection and limitation were a result of sin, for to
the woman was it said after sin (Gn. 3:16): "Thou shalt be under the man's
power"; and Gregory says that, "Where there is no sin, there is no
inequality." But woman is naturally of less strength and dignity than man;
"for the agent is always more honorable than the patient," as Augustine says
(Gen. ad lit. xii, 16). Therefore woman should not have been made in the
first production of things before sin.
Objection 3. Further, occasions of sin should be cut off. But God foresaw
that the woman would be an occasion of sin to man. Therefore He should not
have made woman.
On the contrary, It is written (Gn. 2:18): "It is not good for man to be
alone; let us make him a helper like to himself."
I answer that, It was necessary for woman to be made, as the Scripture says,
as a "helper" to man; not, indeed, as a helpmate in other works, as some
say, since man can be more efficiently helped by another man in other works;
but as a helper in the work of generation. This can be made clear if we
observe the mode of generation carried out in various living things. Some
living things do not possess in themselves the power of generation, but are
generated by some other specific agent, such as some plants and animals by
the influence of the heavenly bodies, from some fitting matter and not from
seed: others possess the active and passive generative power together; as we
see in plants which are generated from seed; for the noblest vital function
in plants is generation. Wherefore we observe that in these the active power
of generation invariably accompanies the passive power. Among perfect
animals the active power of generation belongs to the male sex, and the
passive power to the female. And as among animals there is a vital operation
nobler than generation, to which their life is principally directed;
therefore the male sex is not found in continual union with the female in
perfect animals, but only at the time of coition; so that we may consider
that by this means the male and female are one, as in plants they are always
united; although in some cases one of them preponderates, and in some the
other. But man is yet further ordered to a still nobler vital action, and
that is intellectual operation. Therefore there was greater reason for the
distinction of these two forces in man; so that the female should be
produced separately from the male; although they are carnally united for
generation. Therefore directly after the formation of woman, it was said:
"And they shall be two in one flesh" (Gn. 2:24).
Reply to Objection 1. As regards the individual nature, woman is defective
and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the
production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production
of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some material
indisposition, or even from some external influence; such as that of a south
wind, which is moist, as the Philosopher observes (De Gener. Animal. iv, 2).
On the other hand, as regards human nature in general, woman is not
misbegotten, but is included in nature's intention as directed to the work
of generation. Now the general intention of nature depends on God, Who is
the universal Author of nature. Therefore, in producing nature, God formed
not only the male but also the female.
Reply to Objection 2. Subjection is twofold. One is servile, by virtue of
which a superior makes use of a subject for his own benefit; and this kind
of subjection began after sin. There is another kind of subjection which is
called economic or civil, whereby the superior makes use of his subjects for
their own benefit and good; and this kind of subjection existed even before
sin. For good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were
not governed by others wiser than themselves. So by such a kind of
subjection woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion
of reason predominates. Nor is inequality among men excluded by the state of
innocence, as we shall prove (96, 3).
Reply to Objection 3. If God had deprived the world of all those things
which proved an occasion of sin, the universe would have been imperfect. Nor
was it fitting for the common good to be destroyed in order that individual
evil might be avoided; especially as God is so powerful that He can direct
any evil to a good end.
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GUIDO DE BAYSIO, canonist (d. 1313 A.D.)
“A woman was the effective cause of damnation since she was the origin of
lying and Adam was deceived through her, and therefore she was not able to
be the effective cause of salvation since Orders effects grace in another
and thus salvation.”
“Orders is for the more perfect members of the church since it is given for
the distribution of grace to another. A woman however is not a perfect
member of the church, but a male is.”
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AEGIDIUS BELLAMERA, canonist (14th-century)
“But why are women removed from civil and public offices? The reason is
because they are fragile and usually less discerning.” And further, “The
reason for the difference (between the roles of men and women) is on account
of the fragility, imbecility and less natural constancy and discernment of
women.”
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MARTIN LUTHER, Priest and later leader of Reformation movement (1483-1546
A.D.)
"God created Adam master and lord of living creatures, but Eve spoilt all,
when she persuaded him to set himself above God's will. 'Tis you women, with
your tricks and artifices, that lead men into error." "The bondage of the
Will," 1527
"When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle
and men, especially children."
"I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn them all."
"The Devil can so completely assume the human form, when he wants to deceive
us, that we may well lie with what seems to be a woman, of real flesh and
blood, and yet all the while 'tis only the Devil in the shape of a woman.
'Tis the same with women, who may think that a man is in bed with them, yet
'tis only the Devil; and...the result of this connection is oftentimes an
imp of darkness, half mortal, half devil...."
"How often have not the demons called 'Nix,' drawn women and girls into the
water, and there had commerce with them, with fearful consequences."
"Women...have but small and narrow chests, and broad hips, to the end that
they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up
children."
"Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child-bearing, it
does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is what
they are there for." Works 20.84
"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be
wives or prostitutes." Works 12.94
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JOHN CALVIN, Theologian and Reformer (1509 -1564 A.D.)
"And when the woman saw."
---"Now, after the heart had declined from faith, and from obedience to the
word, she >> note 3 corrupted both herself and all her senses, and depravity
was diffused through all parts of her soul as well as her body. It is,
therefore, a sign of impious defection, that the woman now judges the tree
to be good for food, eagerly delights herself in beholding it, and persuades
herself that it is desirable for the sake of acquiring wisdom; whereas
before she had passed by it a hundred times with an unmoved and tranquil
look. For now, having shaken off the bridle, her mind wanders dissolutely
and intemperately, drawing the body with it to the same licentiousness."
"And gave also unto her husband with her."
---"The opinion has been commonly received, that he was rather captivated
with her allurements than persuaded by Satan's impostures. For this purpose
the declaration of Paul is adduced, "Adam was not deceived, but the woman."
>> note 4 But Paul in that place, as he is teaching that the origin of evil
was from the woman, only speaks comparatively. Indeed, it was not only for
the sake of complying with the wishes of his wife, that he transgressed the
law laid down for him; but being drawn by her into fatal ambition, he became
partaker of the same defection with her."
"I will multiply thy pains,"
"He comprises all the trouble women sustain during pregnancy. It is credible
that the woman would have brought forth without pain, or at least without
such great suffering, if she had stood in her original condition; but her
revolt from God subjected her to inconveniences of this kind. * * * The
second punishment which he exacts is subjection. For this form of speech,
"Thy desire shall be unto thy husband," is of the same force as if he had
said that she should not be free and at her own command, but subject to the
authority of her husband and dependent upon his will. She had, indeed,
previously been subject to her husband, but that was a liberal and gentle
subjection; now, however, she is cast into servitude."
"Yet consider now, whether women are not quite past sense and reason, when
they want to rule over men."
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JOHN KNOX, Pastor and Reformer (1514-1572 A.D.)
"To promote a woman to bear rule, superiority, dominion, or empire above any
realm, nation, or city, is repugnant to nature; an insult to God, a thing
most contrary to his revealed will and approved ordinance; and finally, it
is the subversion of good order, of all equity and justice.”
"Nature, I say, does paint them forth to be weak, frail, impatient, feeble,
and foolish; and experience has declared them to be inconstant, variable,
cruel, lacking the spirit of counsel and regiment. And these notable faults
have men in all ages espied in that kind, for the which not only they have
removed women from rule and authority, but also some have thought that men
subject to the counsel or empire of their wives were unworthy of public
office. For thus writes Aristotle, in the second of his Politics. What
difference shall we put, says he, whether that women bear authority, or the
husbands that obey the empire of their wives, be appointed to be
magistrates? For what ensues the one, must needs follow the other: to wit,
injustice, confusion, and disorder.”
“But lest that we shall seem to be of this opinion alone, let us hear what
others have seen and decreed in this matter. In the [Roman] Rules of the Law
thus is it written: "Women are removed from all civil and public office, so
that they neither may be judges, neither may they occupy the place of the
magistrate, neither yet may they be speakers for others." . . . The Law
further will not permit that the woman give anything to her husband, because
it is against the nature of her kind, being the inferior member, to presume
to give anything to her head. The Law does moreover pronounce womankind to
be most avaricious (which is a vice intolerable in those that should rule or
minister justice). And Aristotle, as before is touched, does plainly affirm,
that wheresoever women bear dominion, there the people must needs be
disordered, living and abounding in all intemperance, given to pride,
excess, and vanity; and finally, in the end, they must needs come to
confusion and ruin.”
“I might adduce histories, proving some women to have died for sudden joy;
some for impatience to have murdered themselves; some to have burned with
such inordinate lust, that for the quenching of the same, they have betrayed
to strangers their country and city; and some to have been so desirous of
dominion, that for the obtaining of the same, they have murdered the
children of their own sons, yea, and some have killed with cruelty their own
husbands and children. But to me it is sufficient (because this part of
nature is not my most sure foundation) to have proved, that men illuminated
only by the light of nature have seen and have determined that it is a thing
most repugnant to nature, that women rule and govern over men.”
“Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man, not to
rule and command him. As St. Paul does reason in these words: "Man is not of
the woman, but the woman of the man. And man was not created for the cause
of the woman, but the woman for the cause of man; and therefore ought the
woman to have a power upon her head" [1 Cor. 11:8-10] (that is, a cover in
sign of subjection). Of which words it is plain that the apostle means, that
woman in her greatest perfection should have known that man was lord above
her; and therefore that she should never have pretended any kind of
superiority above him, no more than do the angels above God the Creator, or
above Christ their head. So I say, that in her greatest perfection, woman
was created to be subject to man.”
“But after her fall and rebellion committed against God, there was put upon
her a new necessity, and she was made subject to man by the irrevocable
sentence of God, pronounced in these words: "I will greatly multiply thy
sorrow and thy conception. With sorrow shalt thou bear thy children, and thy
will shall be subject to thy man; and he shall bear dominion over thee"
(Gen. 3:16). Hereby may such as altogether be not blinded plainly see, that
God by his sentence has dejected all women from empire and dominion above
man. For two punishments are laid upon her: to wit, a dolour, anguish, and
pain, as oft as ever she shall be mother; and a subjection of her self, her
appetites, and will, to her husband, and to his will. From the former part
of this malediction can neither art, nobility, policy, nor law made by man
deliver womankind; but whosoever attains to that honour to be mother, proves
in experience the effect and strength of God's word. But (alas!) ignorance
of God, ambition, and tyranny have studied to abolish and destroy the second
part of God's punishment. For women are lifted up to be heads over realms,
and to rule above men at their pleasure and appetites. But horrible is the
vengeance which is prepared for the one and for the other, for the promoters
and for the persons promoted, except they speedily repent. For they shall be
dejected from the glory of the sons of God to the slavery of the devil, and
to the torment that is prepared for all such as do exalt themselves against
God.”
“Against God can nothing be more manifest than that a woman shall be exalted
to reign above man; for the contrary sentence he has pronounced in these
words: "Thy will shall be subject to thy husband, and he shall bear dominion
over thee" (Gen. 3:16). As [though] God should say, "Forasmuch as you have
abused your former condition, and because your free will has brought
yourself and mankind into the bondage of Satan, I therefore will bring you
in bondage to man. For where before your obedience should have been
voluntary, now it shall be by constraint and by necessity; and that because
you have deceived your man, you shall therefore be no longer mistress over
your own appetites, over your own will or desires. For in you there is
neither reason nor discretion which are able to moderate your affections,
and therefore they shall be subject to the desire of your man. He shall be
lord and governor, not only over your body, but even over your appetites and
will." This sentence, I say, did God pronounce against Eve and her
daughters, as the rest of the scriptures do evidently witness. So that no
woman can ever presume to reign above man, but the same she must needs do in
despite of God, and in contempt of his punishment and malediction.”
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JOHN EUDES, Missionaryand Preacher (1601-1680 A.D.)
"It is a subject of humiliation of all the mothers of the children of Adam
to know that while they are with child, they carry with them an infant...
who is the enemy of God, the object of his hatred and malediction, and the
shrine of the demon."
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HARPER'S
Nothing could be more anti-Biblical than letting women vote. Editorial,
November, 1853
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JOHN R. RICE, Evangelist (1895-1980 A.D.)
"Thus you see that New Testament Christians have a number of symbols,
ceremonies which have a precious and holy meaning. And we must add to this
list the symbol of short hair for men, and long hair for women. Men wear
short hair as a sign that they assume their responsibilities as made in the
image of God and as rulers over their households. Women are to wear long
hair to symbolize their submission to husband and father, taking their place
with meekness as women surrendered to the will of God and subject to the
authority God places over them." 1941 book, Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives, and
Women Preachers.
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REV. ANTHONY KENNEDY, Church of England
"I would shoot the bastards if I was allowed, because a woman can't
represent Christ. Men and women are totally different, that's not my fault,
and Jesus chose men for his disciples. ... Priestesses should be burnt at
the stake because they are assuming powers they have no right to. In the
medieval world that was called sorcery. The way of dealing with sorcerers
was to burn them at the stake. It's illegal now but if I had my way that is
what would Happen to them. In medieval times, I would burn the bloody
bitches." The Times, March, 9, 1994 regarding female CofE priests
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PAT ROBERTSON
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a
socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave
their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
capitalism, and become lesbians." in a fundraising letter, 1992
"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you
have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the
household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is,
period." Federal News Service (Robertson newsletter), September 11, 1992
"NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian."
The 700 Club, December 3, 1997
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JERRY FALWELL
"I listen to feminists and all these radical gals - most of them are
Failures. They've blown it. Some of them have been married, but they married
some Casper Milquetoast who asked permission to go to the bathroom. These
women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the
feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them
home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men.
They're sexist. They hate men - that's their problem. "
"Most of these feminists are radical, frustrated lesbians, many of them, and
man-haters, and failures in their relationships with men, and who have
declared war on the male gender. The Biblical condemnation of feminism has
to do with its radical philosophy and goals. That's the bottom line."
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JAMES PIKE, Episcopal Bishop
'Women are simple souls, who like simple things ... she will come across
town, across the house, across the room, across to your point of view and
across almost anything to give you her love, if you will offer her yours."
1968
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sef
lot of things right.
Females have been evil for millions of years. Female evilness isn't
just a thing that happened since they decided to steal a man's
posessions during divorce after the 1960s. No, i'ts been there forever.
Do you think that religions didn't notice that females are evil?
"(a woman is) a pitcher full of filth with its mouth full of blood, yet
all
run after her."
Well, yeah.
"Our teachers have said: Four qualities are evident in women: They are
greedy at their food, eager to gossip, lazy and jealous."
Yep! Although today, women are greedy for other material posessions,
like shoes, or diamond rings, or cars, or houses, etc. Food isn't it
for them anymore.
"For your deceit, the very son of God had to perish!"
Yep! Females have been getting males into death and suffering for
millions of years. Ever since female first decided "if you don't give
me all your posessions, life and soul, I won't give you any children"
"Woman is a temple built over a sewer, the gateway to the devil. Women
are
the gate to hell.
Yep! Females make themselves out to be such beautiful pretty charming
innocent things, when in fact they are pure evil nasty destructive
selfish monsters. Their fakeness is unbelievable.
"Woman was the instrument which Satan employed to possess men's souls."
Yep! It is women who have made males aggressive and warfaring. Simply
because females like suffering, they get a sadistic kick out of making
males fight for her.
"To find a virtuous women is like finding the one eel in a bag with 500
venomous snakes. And if you grope in the bag and find the eel you have
but a
wet and slimy eel by the tail."
Sad, but true.
"Adam was deceived by Eve, and not Eve by Adam, and therefore it is
just,
that woman receive and acknowledge him for governor whom she called to
sin,
lest that again she slide and fall by womanly facility." Hexaemeron
True. Females are great liars, fakes, and manipulators.
"...necessary evil, a natural temptation, a domestic peril, a deadly
fascination, and a painted ill."
Thankfully they won't be necessary for long! Not with technology to
allow reproduction without females! :D
"I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with,
if one
excludes the purpose of procreation. If woman was not given to man for
help
in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth
together?
If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for
man. The
same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for
life and
conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman
cohabitate?" De genesi ad litteram, 9, 5-9
Yep. Females can't do anything useful. All the good things in the world
are made by males. All the technology, art, music, everything!
It was hotly debated whether women were human beings or animals. Many
Christians at the time thought that women had no souls and were deemed
less
holy than men. The Christian view of females persisted in the orthodox
mediaeval definitions of a woman as a pestilential beast," "destroyer
of
men," "bar to salvation," etc. The full text runs to about fifteen
lines
of Latin invective. The notion was carried by 32 to 31 votes. Women
were
voted human by only one vote of the majority!
Well, females don't have good souls. They have souls, but there is not
a single ounce of goodness in them. Only pure relentless evil. My life
has proved this to me, even when I at first believed females are good.
"A husband is able to judge a wife, correcting her ... But not
beating her
... but he is able to chastise with moderation since she is of his
family
... as lord his servant ... and likewise his hired hand."
Unfortunately, this is for the best. Why? Because females are evil.
Today's lies has it that females are innocent no matter what happens.
However, science (when you can find it amoungst the lies) has proven
that females are evi in domestic relationships. I have seen a study
that showed that in 85% of relationships, the female will start the
arguments. So, if males are bastards, that makes females maybe 6x more
bastardly, which makes them pure evil.
Anyhow, so because females are evil, it is NOT good for them to let
their opinions go uncorrected. It is better for the husband's opinions
to stand. Unfortunate, but there you go.
"A woman taught one time and the whole world was overthrown."
Hehe. Yeah. Now we can enjoy rapes, murder and crime, less riches and
more corruption, because females have ruined society by throwing
fathers out of houses, thus causing crime, and thus sucking up the
wealth of males.
So true! Females are totally dishonest, and without honour.
"The female sex cannot represent Christ because women are incomplete
human
beings." S.Th. III Supp. 39, 1
They lack the Y chromosome, which contains BRAIN DEVELOPMENT GENES.
Even giving a female testosterone won't help her underdeveloped brain.
She is forever without the instructions of life which can bring genius
to a man's brain.
Objection 2. Further, subjection and limitation were a result of sin,
for to
the woman was it said after sin (Gn. 3:16): "Thou shalt be under the
man's
power"; and Gregory says that, "Where there is no sin, there is no
inequality." But woman is naturally of less strength and dignity than
man;
"for the agent is always more honorable than the patient," as Augustine
says
(Gen. ad lit. xii, 16). Therefore woman should not have been made in
the
first production of things before sin.
The voice of reason! Females should only be treated worse, because
females are evil. Not because they are female. You see, people a long
time ago really had a sense of fairness.
"A woman was the effective cause of damnation since she was the
origin of
lying and Adam was deceived through her, and therefore she was not able
to
be the effective cause of salvation since Orders effects grace in
another
and thus salvation."
All my ex gfs were great liars. And I was only ever honest with them.
So sad that I got played for a fool. But I was young, and now I've
learnt the hard way, I've wized up to their evils.
"But why are women removed from civil and public offices? The reason
is
because they are fragile and usually less discerning." And further,
"The
reason for the difference (between the roles of men and women) is on
account
of the fragility, imbecility and less natural constancy and discernment
of
women."
Hmmm, this is a good reason. Females suck at thinking. They generally
make everything worse.
"When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both
cattle
and men, especially children."
I think he meant "many bitches"?
"I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn them all."
Change that to "bitches", and that's *exactly* how I feel!
"Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with
child-bearing, it
does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is
what
they are there for." Works 20.84
Well, they should until we got enough children. The excess females (6
out of 7) should be sent off to war, to kill each other, to satisfy the
righteous need for revenge on evil females, so that they know what it
is like to suffer instead of it just being us that suffers.
"I will multiply thy pains,"
Seems like he didn't do it enough. I hope to multiply thy pains by a
few thousand times!
"To promote a woman to bear rule, superiority, dominion, or empire
above any
realm, nation, or city, is repugnant to nature; an insult to God, a
thing
most contrary to his revealed will and approved ordinance; and finally,
it
is the subversion of good order, of all equity and justice."
And see just how Margaret Thatcher ruined England. Cleopatra also
caused the downfall of the Egyptian empire!
"But lest that we shall seem to be of this opinion alone, let us hear
what
others have seen and decreed in this matter. In the [Roman] Rules of
the Law
thus is it written: "Women are removed from all civil and public
office, so
that they neither may be judges, neither may they occupy the place of
the
magistrate, neither yet may they be speakers for others." . . . The Law
further will not permit that the woman give anything to her husband,
because
it is against the nature of her kind, being the inferior member, to
presume
to give anything to her head. The Law does moreover pronounce womankind
to
be most avaricious (which is a vice intolerable in those that should
rule or
minister justice). And Aristotle, as before is touched, does plainly
affirm,
that wheresoever women bear dominion, there the people must needs be
disordered, living and abounding in all intemperance, given to pride,
excess, and vanity; and finally, in the end, they must needs come to
confusion and ruin."
Single mother households full of daughters who are nothing but cheap
egotistical hos, and sons who are heading to a life in jail???? Seems
like they understood well back then!
That John Knox really was right on!
You know something? This really gets me thinking. Females have ALWAYS
BEEN EVIL, OK so I knew that already.
But a long time ago, when males also knew that females are evil, males
would act as "THE BIGGER PERSON".
They didn't actually harm them. They treated them as inferior beings,
who were gently treated. Just being the bigger person basically.
Despite that females were evil and deserved to be destroyed, they
simply instead put them in a position in society better suited for
their evil nature, and weak bodies. And also cared for them and looked
after them, despite that they didn't deserve this.
And see what thanks males get for that. After thousands of years of
being the bigger person, we get called patriarchs.
Despite that there's NEVER been a patriarchy. Just a "BiggerPersonry".
But today we have a matriarchy, that is corroding the world.
Funny isn't it? How the criminals accuse the victims of the crime. Why?
Because the criminals THINK of the crime all the time. Females have
always wanted an evil matriarchy, like they have today. Where they can
be nasty evil whores, who get glorified for being female, getting
themselves pregnant with the nastiest most devil-like guy she can find
(ignoring all the nice guys), and then blame the worlds problems on
males for not doing even more to protect and provide for her. All the
while doing her best to ruin the lives of males by stealing their lives
posessions and souls.
Thats the matriarchy. Thats the evilness that is written into the soul
of females. The matriarchy that females constantly obsess over.
And so despite that males are metaphorically "the bigger person",
females will accuse us of the first thing that comes to their mind.
"You are a matriar.... oh I mean a patriarch". After all, they think
about this crime all the time, so its the first thing they'll think of
to accuse us of.
Projection is common amoungst criminals and evil people.
Jude
"sef" <st_e...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124895419....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
(snipped for brevity's sake)
I KNEW that the ONE guy on this ng that would ACTUALLY agree with the hatred
that seethed from the sick religious bastards would be YOU! lol
Rainbow Pirate
> Well, religions aren't all wrong. Where they come to women, they get a
> lot of things right.
>
> Females have been evil for millions of years.
Which one of you gals gets to hurl the "tiny dick, you cant get laid"
retort first?
I guess I'm just surprised this nut SEF isnt posting from web-tv, that
would have completed the package.
--
"somehow I found it.... the Rainblow Connection...
the idiots.. the droolers.... and me"
sef
than Aristotle and Plato.
Also, you will never be honest when it comes to simple researches that
prove females are evil. For example the study that found that in 85% of
relationships, it is usually the female that starts arguments. And she
is usually the one to escalate arguments, and less likely to "forgive"
(even though she started it). Whereas the guy is more likely to try to
calm situations down.
I can find you the study if you want. It's done by a professor at a
good University, under good scientific practices.
Most great thinkers of the past have been misogynists.
Simply for one reason, because females are evil.
If females were good, Aristotle and Plato would have loved them and
worshipped them instead, as is natural for males to do. Unfortunately
this natural desire is not possible when the one you want to love,
happens to be pure evil.
It's not our fault that females are born evil, is it?? If males could
change their personalities, so that females are born as nice females
instead of evil, we'd haave done it right away, long long ago.
The fact that we can't, is why the best thinkers have always been
misogynists.
sef
I hate to boast, but it really makes me laugh at people who think they
can disprove me with an insult like "tiny dick".
Because even if your scientifically validated theory that guys with
small dicks disagree with you, I have a huge one. And this is why I
laugh at you.
By the way, can you show me your research, or evidence that guys with
small dicks disagree with you? Any academic papers? Studies? Anthing
with even the slightest hint of science???
Or do you only have whatever stupid lying evil fucked up shitface
delusions come from your evil feminazi deformed skull?
Did I mention that you are delusional? And fucking stupid.