10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
Making the Harm Visible Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls Speaking Out and Providing Services
Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
Prostitution is consuming thousands of girls and women and reaping enormous profits for organized crime in post-communist countries. In addition, each year, several hundred thousand women are trafficked from Eastern European countries for prostitution in sex industry centers all over the world. The practices are extremely oppressive and incompatible with universal standards of human rights. The sex trade is a form of contemporary slavery and all indications predict its growth and expansion into the 21st century.
Approximately three-fourths of the women who are recruited and trafficked are unaware that they are destined for strip clubs, brothels, or the street, where they are sold to eager male buyers. Most of the women are seeking to escape poverty, violence and lack of opportunities, but once they are under control of pimps or traffickers, they are "seasoned" into prostitution by physical and sexual violence and economic coercion. With no recourse, the women submit in the hope of eventually earning enough money to buy their way out of debt bondage or finding a way to escape. Women's compliance to multiple unwanted sexual acts results in trauma to the mind and body. Survivors of prostitution often report that each act of prostitution felt like a rape. In order to endure the multiple invasions of the body women use drugs and alcohol to numb the assaults to their dignity and bodily integrity. Eventually, the woman's physical and emotional health is destroyed.
Above all, state bodies and non-governmental organizations should understand that prostitution is a demand market created by men who buy and sell women's sexuality for their own profit and pleasure. Legal reforms should therefore create remedies that assist victims and prosecute perpetrators.
Most existing laws concerning prostitution were formulated on the assumption that prostitution is immoral activity, with women being the most immoral participants. Therefore, laws that ban prostitution usually criminalize the women. By listening to women's experiences of prostitution and moving beyond moralistic analyses, women's rights groups have defined prostitution to be sexual exploitation and a form of violence against women. All legal reforms should be based on this understanding. Therefore, states should decriminalize prostitution for women-that is, stop punishing women for being prostituted. Considering the documented harm to women who are trafficked and prostituted, it is only logical that women should not be criminalized for being the victim of those abuses. Decriminalization also means that women will not fear arrest if they seek assistance and may be more likely to testify against pimps and traffickers.
But there absolutely should be no decriminalization for pimps, traffickers, brothel owners, or the men who buy women in prostitution. All legal reforms should aim to stop these perpetrators and profiteers.
Prostitution should not be legalized. Legalization means that the state imposes regulations under which women can be prostituted. In effect, regulation means that under certain conditions it is permissible to exploit and abuse women. In several Eastern European states "tolerance zones" are being considered; in other states there are proposals for legalization. Most arguments in favor of legalization are based on trying to distinguish between "free" and "forced" prostitution and trafficking. Considering the extreme conditions of exploitation in the sex industry, those distinctions are nothing but abstractions that make for good academic debates. They are, however, meaningless to women under the control of pimps or traffickers. Certainly, the sex industry doesn't differentiate between "free" and "forced," and my research reveals that men who buy women and children in prostitution don't differentiate either. Legalization and regulation aim to redefine prostitution as a form of work, indicated by the use of the term "sex work." The renaming may clean up the image of prostitution, but it doesn't end the violence and exploitation. It only allows criminals and members of organized crime rings to become legitimate businessmen and work hand-in-hand with the state in marketing women's bodies. In the Netherlands, where two-thirds of the women in prostitution are immigrants and one-half of them are trafficked illegal immigrants, legalization has, in fact, increased prostitution and trafficking.
Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination. Legalization of this violence to women restricts women's freedom and citizenship rights. If women are allowed to become a legitimate commodity, they are consigned to a second-class citizenship. Democracy is subverted.
Women's bodies and emotions must belong to them alone. They must not be traded or sold. The sex industry targets and consumes young women, usually under age 25, often girls in their teens. If a state permits prostitution to flourish, a certain portion of each generation of young women will be lost. Prostitution causes extreme harm to the body and the mind. Women who survive the beatings, rapes, sexually transmitted diseases, drugs, alcohol, and emotional abuse, emerge from prostitution ill, traumatized, and often, as poor as when they entered.
The enormity of the sex trade throughout the world is overwhelming, but the only way to proceed is to acknowledge the violence and exploitation for what it is and create remedies accordingly. Legalization will only benefit traffickers and pimps and compromise individual women and the status of women in the long run. In the words of one survivor of prostitution: "Legalization will not end abuse; it will make abuse legal."
Author
Donna M. Hughes has been an activist in the feminist anti-sexual violence and exploitation movement since the early-1980s. She holds the Eleanor M. and Oscar M. Carlson Endowed Chair in Women's Studies, and is the Director of Women's Studies at the University of Rhode Island, USA.
Published by The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999 Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors Donna M. Hughes, dhug...@uri.edu http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
> 10. Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
> Making the Harm Visible > Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls > Speaking Out and Providing Services
> Legalizing Prostitution Will Not Stop the Harm, Donna M. Hughes
> Prostitution is consuming thousands of girls and women and reaping > enormous profits for organized crime in post-communist countries. In > addition, each year, several hundred thousand women are trafficked from > Eastern European countries for prostitution in sex industry centers all > over the world. The practices are extremely oppressive and incompatible > with universal standards of human rights. The sex trade is a form of > contemporary slavery and all indications predict its growth and > expansion into the 21st century.
> Approximately three-fourths of the women who are recruited and > trafficked are unaware that they are destined for strip clubs, > brothels, or the street, where they are sold to eager male buyers. Most > of the women are seeking to escape poverty, violence and lack of > opportunities, but once they are under control of pimps or traffickers, > they are "seasoned" into prostitution by physical and sexual violence > and economic coercion. With no recourse, the women submit in the hope > of eventually earning enough money to buy their way out of debt bondage > or finding a way to escape. Women's compliance to multiple unwanted > sexual acts results in trauma to the mind and body. Survivors of > prostitution often report that each act of prostitution felt like a > rape. In order to endure the multiple invasions of the body women use > drugs and alcohol to numb the assaults to their dignity and bodily > integrity. Eventually, the woman's physical and emotional health is > destroyed.
> Above all, state bodies and non-governmental organizations should > understand that prostitution is a demand market created by men who buy > and sell women's sexuality for their own profit and pleasure. Legal > reforms should therefore create remedies that assist victims and > prosecute perpetrators.
> Most existing laws concerning prostitution were formulated on the > assumption that prostitution is immoral activity, with women being the > most immoral participants. Therefore, laws that ban prostitution > usually criminalize the women. By listening to women's experiences of > prostitution and moving beyond moralistic analyses, women's rights > groups have defined prostitution to be sexual exploitation and a form > of violence against women. All legal reforms should be based on this > understanding. Therefore, states should decriminalize prostitution for > women-that is, stop punishing women for being prostituted. Considering > the documented harm to women who are trafficked and prostituted, it is > only logical that women should not be criminalized for being the victim > of those abuses. Decriminalization also means that women will not fear > arrest if they seek assistance and may be more likely to testify > against pimps and traffickers.
> But there absolutely should be no decriminalization for pimps, > traffickers, brothel owners, or the men who buy women in prostitution. > All legal reforms should aim to stop these perpetrators and profiteers.
> Prostitution should not be legalized. Legalization means that the state > imposes regulations under which women can be prostituted. In effect, > regulation means that under certain conditions it is permissible to > exploit and abuse women. In several Eastern European states "tolerance > zones" are being considered; in other states there are proposals for > legalization. Most arguments in favor of legalization are based on > trying to distinguish between "free" and "forced" prostitution and > trafficking. Considering the extreme conditions of exploitation in the > sex industry, those distinctions are nothing but abstractions that make > for good academic debates. They are, however, meaningless to women > under the control of pimps or traffickers. Certainly, the sex industry > doesn't differentiate between "free" and "forced," and my research > reveals that men who buy women and children in prostitution don't > differentiate either. Legalization and regulation aim to redefine > prostitution as a form of work, indicated by the use of the term "sex > work." The renaming may clean up the image of prostitution, but it > doesn't end the violence and exploitation. It only allows criminals and > members of organized crime rings to become legitimate businessmen and > work hand-in-hand with the state in marketing women's bodies. In the > Netherlands, where two-thirds of the women in prostitution are > immigrants and one-half of them are trafficked illegal immigrants, > legalization has, in fact, increased prostitution and trafficking.
> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination. Legalization > of this violence to women restricts women's freedom and citizenship > rights. If women are allowed to become a legitimate commodity, they are > consigned to a second-class citizenship. Democracy is subverted.
> Women's bodies and emotions must belong to them alone. They must not be > traded or sold. The sex industry targets and consumes young women, > usually under age 25, often girls in their teens. If a state permits > prostitution to flourish, a certain portion of each generation of young > women will be lost. Prostitution causes extreme harm to the body and > the mind. Women who survive the beatings, rapes, sexually transmitted > diseases, drugs, alcohol, and emotional abuse, emerge from prostitution > ill, traumatized, and often, as poor as when they entered.
> The enormity of the sex trade throughout the world is overwhelming, but > the only way to proceed is to acknowledge the violence and exploitation > for what it is and create remedies accordingly. Legalization will only > benefit traffickers and pimps and compromise individual women and the > status of women in the long run. In the words of one survivor of > prostitution: "Legalization will not end abuse; it will make abuse > legal."
> Author
> Donna M. Hughes has been an activist in the feminist anti-sexual > violence and exploitation movement since the early-1980s. She holds the > Eleanor M. and Oscar M. Carlson Endowed Chair in Women's Studies, and > is the Director of Women's Studies at the University of Rhode Island, > USA.
> Published by > The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999 > Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors > Donna M. Hughes, dhug...@uri.edu > http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
But isn't a woman's body a woman's choice? If she wants to prostitute herself what gives the patriarchal government the right to tell her what she can and cannot do with her body?
>> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the first place, right?
"Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in that industry, as opposed to males.
Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > first place, right?
> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > that industry, as opposed to males.
> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> You're a moron.
> - Chive
> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
Oh Chive...
The idea was supposed to be that prostitution is male discrimination against women. But since male prostitution exists, the idea that prostitution is male discrimination against women is clearly WRONG.
But now you have changed your story about what you meant, because you realise that you can't defend that obviously absurd idea. Your new story makes even less sense: is what is wrong with prostitution the fact that there are more female than male prostitutes?
Would it no longer be a form of "discrimination" if there were as many male as female prostitutes? Sounds to me like you are arguing for more male prostitution...well sure, let's let more men get in on the game! Women shouldn't have all the fun!
> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > first place, right?
> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > that industry, as opposed to males.
> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> You're a moron.
> - Chive
> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
Oh, one more thing.
If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
>> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> first place, right?
>> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> You're a moron.
>> - Chive
>> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>Oh, one more thing.
>If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> first place, right?
>> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> You're a moron.
>> - Chive
>> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>Oh Chive...
>The idea was supposed to be that prostitution is male discrimination >against women.
Nonsense.
You are an anti-feminist, propagandist, without the necessary reading comprehension skills in order to understand what an idea is or isn't.
> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > >> first place, right?
> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > >> that industry, as opposed to males.
> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> You're a moron.
> >> - Chive
> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
> >Oh, one more thing.
> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly > >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> That's a fact.
And for proof of this "fact" you offer what? The opinion of someone the majority of people on this board think is a sick, twisted individual?
> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > >> first place, right?
> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > >> that industry, as opposed to males.
> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> You're a moron.
> >> - Chive
> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
> >Oh, one more thing.
> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly > >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> That's a fact.
No, it's an assertion, and not a very convincing assertion at that.
> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > >> first place, right?
> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > >> that industry, as opposed to males.
> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> You're a moron.
> >> - Chive
> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
> >Oh Chive...
> >The idea was supposed to be that prostitution is male discrimination > >against women.
> Nonsense.
> You are an anti-feminist, propagandist, without the necessary > reading comprehension skills in order to understand what an idea > is or isn't.
So, we agree that prostitution isn't male discrimination against women then. Good.
Would you now mind explaining in exactly what sense prostitution is supposed to be discrimination? Come on Chive, don't be shy!
>> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> >> first place, right?
>> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> >> You're a moron.
>> >> - Chive
>> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>> >Oh, one more thing.
>> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly >> >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
>> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
>> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> That's a fact.
> And for proof of this "fact" you offer what? The opinion of someone >the majority of people on this board think is a sick, twisted >individual?
Angel, your moronic comments only demonstrate your ignorance.
Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
The statistics, facts, evidence, and data that I've posted and that you consistently ignore, prove it.
Of course, you know that, but you are still trolling alt.feminism.
When you are mature enough to engage in *actual* discussion, and not silly games, let me know.
Here is the evidence you refuse to acknowledge:
29 Important Facts about Prostitution
1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA)
2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in prostitution. 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical threat in prostitution. 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon)
7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia and Netherlands?
8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San Francisco CA 94116)
12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).
16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution."
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>> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> >> first place, right?
>> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> >> You're a moron.
>> >> - Chive
>> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>> >Oh Chive...
>> >The idea was supposed to be that prostitution is male discrimination >> >against women.
>> Nonsense.
>> You are an anti-feminist, propagandist, without the necessary >> reading comprehension skills in order to understand what an idea >> is or isn't.
>So, we agree that prostitution isn't male discrimination against women >then. Good.
>Would you now mind explaining in exactly what sense prostitution is >supposed to be discrimination? Come on Chive, don't be shy!
29 Important Facts about Prostitution
1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA)
2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in prostitution. 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical threat in prostitution. 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon)
7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia and Netherlands?
8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San Francisco CA 94116)
12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).
16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)
21. "Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage, stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head
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>> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> >> first place, right?
>> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> >> You're a moron.
>> >> - Chive
>> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>> >Oh, one more thing.
>> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly >> >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
>> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
>> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> That's a fact.
>No, it's an assertion, and not a very convincing assertion at that.
No, it's a *fact*, as demonstrated by the following evidence:
29 Important Facts about Prostitution
1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA)
2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in prostitution. 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical threat in prostitution. 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon)
7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia and Netherlands?
8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San Francisco CA 94116)
12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).
16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)
21. "Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage, stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries" (Parriott, Ruth. Health Experiences of Twin
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> >> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> >> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> >> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> >> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > >> >> first place, right?
> >> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
> >> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> >> You're a moron.
> >> >> - Chive
> >> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
> >> >Oh Chive...
> >> >The idea was supposed to be that prostitution is male discrimination > >> >against women.
> >> Nonsense.
> >> You are an anti-feminist, propagandist, without the necessary > >> reading comprehension skills in order to understand what an idea > >> is or isn't.
> >So, we agree that prostitution isn't male discrimination against women > >then. Good.
> >Would you now mind explaining in exactly what sense prostitution is > >supposed to be discrimination? Come on Chive, don't be shy!
> 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
> 1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood > sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from > clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada > psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, > work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see > also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, > International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, > CA)
> 2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from > 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon > Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported > history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
> 3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in > prostitution. > 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced > physical threat in prostitution. > 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced > physical assault in prostitution. > (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, > violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
> 4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. > It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is > just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten > times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history > of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking > the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against > Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
> 5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an > average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of > street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual > Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
> 6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution > Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year > by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. > (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, > 1991, Portland, Oregon)
> 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. > Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, > Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly > Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent > Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, > since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, > how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of > consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia > and Netherlands?
> 8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert > and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street > prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
> 9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project > reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the > kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the > women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching > them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their > pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate > them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's > guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, > WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - > Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
> 10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that > they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts > seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in > press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
> 11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they > had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen > in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San > Francisco CA 94116)
> 12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a > self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, > racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The > Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
> 13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual > service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to > 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. > (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New > York University Press)
> 14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in > Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the > Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 > million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on > tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men > who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 > million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." > (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New > York University Press)
> 15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in > prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, > Minneapolis, Minnesota).
> 16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and > rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp > convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted > women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that > she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical > coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all > prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of > Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
> 17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their > pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women > stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as > a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This > has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with > Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, > and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
> 18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three > populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result > of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of > Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community > Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
> 19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their > partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You > slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no > rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a > southern California community closed all rape reports made by > prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The > letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, > Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
> 20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it > is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of > it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the
> >> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be > >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
> >> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
> >> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
> >> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
> >> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the > >> >> first place, right?
> >> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of > >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in > >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
> >> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
> >> >> You're a moron.
> >> >> - Chive
> >> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
> >> >Oh, one more thing.
> >> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly > >> >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
> >> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
> >> That's a fact.
> >No, it's an assertion, and not a very convincing assertion at that.
> No, it's a *fact*, as demonstrated by the following evidence:
> 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
> 1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood > sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from > clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada > psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, > work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see > also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, > International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, > CA)
> 2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from > 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon > Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported > history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
> 3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in > prostitution. > 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced > physical threat in prostitution. > 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced > physical assault in prostitution. > (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, > violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
> 4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. > It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is > just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten > times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history > of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking > the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against > Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
> 5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an > average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of > street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual > Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
> 6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution > Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year > by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. > (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, > 1991, Portland, Oregon)
> 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. > Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, > Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly > Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent > Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, > since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, > how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of > consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia > and Netherlands?
> 8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert > and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street > prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
> 9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project > reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the > kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the > women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching > them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their > pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate > them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's > guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, > WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - > Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
> 10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that > they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts > seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in > press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
> 11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they > had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen > in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San > Francisco CA 94116)
> 12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a > self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, > racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The > Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
> 13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual > service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to > 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. > (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New > York University Press)
> 14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in > Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the > Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 > million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on > tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men > who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 > million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." > (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New > York University Press)
> 15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in > prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, > Minneapolis, Minnesota).
> 16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and > rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp > convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted > women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that > she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical > coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all > prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of > Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
> 17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their > pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women > stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as > a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This > has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with > Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, > and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
> 18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three > populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result > of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of > Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community > Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
> 19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their > partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You > slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no > rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a > southern California community closed all rape reports made by > prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The > letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, > Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
> 20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it > is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of > it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the > murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing
>> >> >> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>>>> >> >Ooops, forgetting male prostitutes, again! But I guess reality can't be >> >> >> >allowed to intrude upon feminist fantasy.
>> >> >> >You just keep ignoring the real world, if that's what makes you happy.
>> >> >> Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance, troll.
>> >> >> What part of "extreme" don't you understand?
>> >> >> Let me guess, you don't understand anything you read in the >> >> >> first place, right?
>> >> >> "Extreme gender discrimination" is an accurate description of >> >> >> prostitution since there are an extreme number of females in >> >> >> that industry, as opposed to males.
>> >> >> Of course, you knew that, but you just had to troll anyway.
>> >> >> You're a moron.
>> >> >> - Chive
>> >> >> Help Wanted: Psychic. You know where to apply.
>> >> >Oh, one more thing.
>> >> >If there aren't enough male as opposed to female prostitutes, strictly >> >> >speaking shouldn't that be considered discrimination against men?
>> >> No, you moronic, anti-feminist, propagandist.
>> >> Prostitution is an extreme form of gender discrimination.
>> >> That's a fact.
>> >No, it's an assertion, and not a very convincing assertion at that.
>> No, it's a *fact*, as demonstrated by the following evidence:
>> 29 Important Facts about Prostitution
>> 1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood >> sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from >> clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada >> psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, >> work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see >> also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, >> International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, >> CA)
>> 2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from >> 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon >> Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported >> history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
>> 3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in >> prostitution. >> 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced >> physical threat in prostitution. >> 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced >> physical assault in prostitution. >> (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, >> violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
>> 4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. >> It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is >> just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten >> times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history >> of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking >> the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against >> Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
>> 5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an >> average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of >> street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual >> Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
>> 6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution >> Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year >> by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. >> (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, >> 1991, Portland, Oregon)
>> 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. >> Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, >> Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly >> Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent >> Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, >> since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, >> how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of >> consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia >> and Netherlands?
>> 8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert >> and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street >> prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
>> 9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project >> reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the >> kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the >> women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching >> them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their >> pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate >> them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's >> guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, >> WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - >> Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
>> 10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that >> they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts >> seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in >> press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
>> 11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they >> had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen >> in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San >> Francisco CA 94116)
>> 12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a >> self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, >> racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The >> Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
>> 13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual >> service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to >> 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. >> (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New >> York University Press)
>> 14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in >> Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the >> Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 >> million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on >> tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men >> who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 >> million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." >> (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New >> York University Press)
>> 15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in >> prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, >> Minneapolis, Minnesota).
>> 16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and >> rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp >> convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted >> women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that >> she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical >> coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all >> prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of >> Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
>> 17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their >> pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women >> stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as >> a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This >> has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with >> Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, >> and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
>> 18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three >> populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result >> of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of >> Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community >> Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
>> 19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their >> partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You >> slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no >> rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a >> southern California community closed all rape reports made by >> prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The >> letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, >> Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993,
<120520010015461717%what...@ihug.co.nz>, A wrote: >> >Would you now mind explaining in exactly what sense prostitution is >> >supposed to be discrimination? Come on Chive, don't be shy!
That wasn't what was said, Mr. Strawman.
What was said was that prostitution was extreme gender discrimination.
>> 1. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood >> sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from >> clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada >> psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, >> work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see >> also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, >> International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, >> CA)
>> 2. Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from >> 65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon >> Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported >> history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
>> 3. 68% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having been raped in >> prostitution. >> 88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced >> physical threat in prostitution. >> 82% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes reported having experienced >> physical assault in prostitution. >> (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in press, "Prostitution, >> violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder").
>> 4. "About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. >> It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is >> just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten >> times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history >> of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking >> the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against >> Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
>> 5. 70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers an >> average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of >> street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual >> Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
>> 6. 78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution >> Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year >> by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. >> (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, >> 1991, Portland, Oregon)
>> 7. The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. >> Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, >> Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly >> Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent >> Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated, >> since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example, >> how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of >> consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia >> and Netherlands?
>> 8. 65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H. Silbert >> and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street >> prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
>> 9. 80% of prostitution-survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project >> reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the >> kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the >> women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching >> them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their >> pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate >> them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's >> guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, >> WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt - >> Lake St. Station, POB 8719, Minneapolis, MN 55408)
>> 10. 32% of 130 prostitutes interviewed in San Francisco reported that >> they had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts >> seen in pornography. (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in >> press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
>> 11. 48% of 110 prostitutes interviewed in Thailand reported that they >> had been upset by attempts by customers to coerce them into acts seen >> in pornography. (Melissa Farley, 1996, unpublished data, POB 16254, San >> Francisco CA 94116)
>> 12. In prostitution, "men buy not a self but a body that performs as a >> self, and it is a self that conforms to the most harmful, damaging, >> racist and sexist concepts of women..." (Kathleen Barry, The >> Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
>> 13. The prostitution market is driven by customer demand for sexual >> service. During WW II, the Japanese military forced from 100,000 to >> 200,000 Korean women into prostitution to service their military. >> (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New >> York University Press)
>> 14. In 1974, police estimated that there were 400,000 prostitutes in >> Thailand, procured primarily for the U.S. military on R & R from the >> Vietnam War. As of 1993, an unofficial estimate is that there are 2 >> million prostitutes in Thailand, whose national economy is dependent on >> tourism. Prostitution is the largest commodity for the 450,000 Thai men >> who purchase prostitutes daily and for a large percentage of the 5.4 >> million tourists a year who arrive in Thailand for "sex tours." >> (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New >> York University Press)
>> 15. 90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in >> prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, >> Minneapolis, Minnesota).
>> 16. Pimps target girls or women who seem naive, lonely, homeless, and >> rebellious. At first, the attention and feigned affection from the pimp >> convinces her to "be his woman." Pimps ultimately keep prostituted >> women in virtual captivity by verbal abuse - making a woman feel that >> she is utterly worthless: a toilet, a piece of trash; and by physical >> coercion - beatings and the threat of torture. 80% to 95% of all >> prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of >> Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press)
>> 17. The answer to the question "why do prostitutes stay with their >> pimps" is the same as the answer to the question "why do battered women >> stay with their batterers." Humans bond emotionally to their abusers as >> a psychological strategy to survive under conditions of captivity. This >> has been described as the Stockholm syndrome (see Dee Graham with >> Rawlings and Rigsby, Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, >> and Women's Lives, 1994, New York University Press, New York.)
>> 18. In 1994, women in the sex industry were identified as one of three >> populations most in need of specialized services, primarily as a result >> of the violence inflicted upon them as a result of their work. (City of >> Seattle Dept of Housing and Human Service, Domestic Violence Community >> Advocacy Program Expansion, Feb. 1994)
>> 19. Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their >> partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: "You >> slut....whore...." Historically, the words mean "subhuman," "having no >> rights," "invisible," and "wicked." As recently as 1991, police in a >> southern California community closed all rape reports made by >> prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped "NHI." The >> letters stand for the words "No Human Involved." (Linda Fairstein, >> Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.)
>> 20. We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it >> is just too painful: "...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of >> it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the >> murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the >> personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women >> in prostitution." (Margaret A. Baldwin "Split at the Root: Prostitution >> and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale Journal of Law and >> Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120)
>> 21. "Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced >> violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage, >> stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries" (Parriott, Ruth. >> Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution: Survey >> Findings and Recommendations. Unpublished, May 1994. Available from >> Breaking Free, 1821 University Ave., Suite 312, South, St. Paul, >> Minnesota 55104; also available from the Coalition Against Trafficking >> in Women.)
>> 22. A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that >> girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher >> than the national average. ( Margaret A. Baldwin, 1992, "Split at the >> Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale >> Journal of Law and Feminism, Vol 5: 47-120)
>> 22. In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted >> suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides >> reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for >> Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A >> Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in >> Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press, >> Monroe, Maine.
>> 23. In 1993, 42% of women arrested in Seattle on prostitution-related >> charges were convicted.
In article <9dhbp602...@drn.newsguy.com>, Chive Mynde
<chyvemi...@my-deja.com> wrote: > >Dear oh dear, but this *does* get boring.
> Sure it does, since you continue to avoid the evidence.
The "evidence" you keep posting in vain attempts to distract attention away from the fact that you don't have anything resembling a rational argument is irrelevant, as I've explained before.
> >I don't believe your victimologists. Sorry.
> You mean to say, you don't believe in facts, evidence, statistics, > and science.
No. I mean I don't believe in a bunch in the fantasies of a bunch of neurotics with an anti-male agenda.
> Instead, you cling to irrational and biased Rush Limbaughisms and > delusional, anti-feminist ideology.
Ooooh! You're comparing me to Rush Limbaugh! Well, thanks. I take Rush Limbaugh a whole lot more seriously than any of your dreary feminist ideologues.
By the way, nothing I've said has been anti-feminist in the least. But I guess "anti-feminist" just means disagreeing with you, right?
In article <9dhc2b02...@drn.newsguy.com>, Chive Mynde
<chyvemi...@my-deja.com> wrote: > On Sat, 12 May 2001 00:15:46 +1200, in article > <120520010015461717%what...@ihug.co.nz>, A wrote:
> >> >Would you now mind explaining in exactly what sense prostitution is > >> >supposed to be discrimination? Come on Chive, don't be shy!
> That wasn't what was said, Mr. Strawman.
> What was said was that prostitution was extreme gender discrimination.
> Here is the evidence for that claim:
None of those articles provide any support whatsoever for the claim that prostitution is "extreme gender discrimination" - a phrase that you don't even bother to define, I notice.
And by the way - if even one of those articles proved your case, that is the only article you would need to cite.
>> Sure it does, since you continue to avoid the evidence.
>The "evidence" you keep posting in vain attempts to distract attention
Wrong again. Evidence does not distract attention, you do. The evidence that I posted substantiates the claims that have been made. Meanwhile, you continue to obfuscate and make fallacious arguments in the hopes of distracting attention away from *yourself* since you have completely failed to substantiate every claim you have ever made.
