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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Katherine Betts, formerly fashion news editor of Vogue, is to be the new
editor in chief of Bazaar. Her first issue will be December.

According to Robin Givhan's article in today's Washington Post, Betts
"has a reputation for having a smart, wry take on fashion."

Betts is quoted as saying "I want to make [the magazine] more
journalistic." According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on
fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
culture."

There's a full article at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/daily/june99/bazaar25.htm .

-S.


EMiriamD

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>According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on
>fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
>culture."

Oy. This means more sucking up to celebrities. Blech.

EMiriamD

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."
Lillian Hellman to House Un-American Activities Committee (1952)

Sandra194

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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EMiriamD wrote:
>Oy. This means more sucking up to celebrities. Blech.
>
Yeah!!! what she said.

So this will be another InStyle magazine? I like InStyle--but one is enuff.
And how is this gonna be more "journalistc"? There is more to fashion than
Hollywood...sheesh!


Sandra in NC
"Well, this day was a total waste of make-up."

Christy Hipchen

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Excerpts from netnews.alt.fashion: 25-Jun-99 Bazaar editor named by S...@abc.com
>Betts is quoted as saying "I want to make [the magazine] more
>journalistic."


oh god, at the expense of what???? i guess i'll find out soon enough.

According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on
>fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
>culture."

oh god. now there's a new idea.

forgive my mini tirade here a-f, but bazaar was my favourite magazine
with the exception of the recent influx of celeb covers), and you know
how i feel about the celeb trend. bazaar at it's best was fashion for
fashion's sake, and the whole actress trend makes me homesick for that.
i still recall one of liz tilberis' editor letters in the mag,
elaborating on fashion as having it's own place among life's pleasures.
indeed.

-christy


Denise

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>Katherine Betts, formerly fashion news editor of Vogue, is to be the new
>editor in chief of Bazaar. Her first issue will be December.

Being that in the past year or 2, i've become more and more displeased with
Vogue in general, i'm not very optimistic already...

>Betts is quoted as saying "I want to make [the magazine] more

>journalistic." According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on


>fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
>culture."

Great--another Vogue clone straight from the horse's mouth. Vogue has become
less and less about fashion and makeup and more about finding the "perfect
baguette" or "what hollywood wears to every premier".
Well, maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised. Here's to hoping....

Tara

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Katherine Betts is an interesting choice and I hope she will succeed and
continue in the tradition of the great Bazaar. I have always liked her writing
style. She was responsible for Vogue Index and I enjoy that feature each
month. I'm glad that someone with high-fashion experience got the job. I was
afraid that more of a lifestyle magazine type might move in.

Tara

LW

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Jun 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/25/99
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Denise wrote:

I agree with everything posted here. I have preferred Bazaar over Vogue for
quite some time for the reasons you mentioned, but I am having a problem with all
of these magazines becoming "celeb-worshipping" rags. I guess now I should just
read W. We must be in the minority ladies, because this must be what sells
magazines.
LW
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ahmward

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jackie
I received the Bergdorf Goodman fall catalogue yesterday and saw
nothing new at all. My Arthur Beren fall shoe catalogue showed
squared toes from the major shoe designers. Too bad our feet tend to
be rounded instead of squared.
audrey
rob....@worldnet.att.net

EXC JO ANN

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>From: emir...@aol.com

>Oy. This means more sucking up to celebrities. Blech.
>

>EMiriamD
>
>"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."
> Lillian Hellman to House Un-American Activities Committee

My take on this also.
Jo Ann @ Exclusively Jo Ann
http://www.exclusivelyjoann.com/

Medusa

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In article <3773A91F...@online.emich.edu>, LW
<lwin...@online.emich.edu> wrote:

>I agree with everything posted here. I have preferred Bazaar over Vogue for
>quite some time for the reasons you mentioned, but I am having a problem with all
>of these magazines becoming "celeb-worshipping" rags. I guess now I should just
>read W.

Have you seen the latest issue of "W" magazine? Unfortunately there's
very little fashion and a horrible spread (containing far too many photos)
of celebrity Brad Pitt. The photography is awful, IMO, and the clothes
are nothing special either. The front cover is disgusting, and one of
the buttons on Pitt's jacket is broken and chipped. Did I need to see
Brad Pitt's tummy? Not to mention his rear (twice)? I think not. The
only spread of merit in the July "W" is probably the one showing jewelry
and nice nail polish on a well manicured hand.

I'd cancel all my magazine subscriptions if I thought I wouldn't just go
to the newsstand and buy them every month anyway. "Harper's Bazaar"
(under Liz Tilberis) always showed the most interesting fashion layouts -
very avant-garde settings and photography, out-there make-up, etc.etc.
Even though they featured Hollywood and celebs a bit just as everyone
else, at least they kept the great styling and bizarre look that the
magazine has been known for.
--
. . . Medusa . . .
The Glitter Gorgon

EXC JO ANN

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> Judging by the dearth of fashion related articles in just about all
>of the "fashion" magazines and also here on Alt.Fashion, perhaps the
>only conclusion to be drawn is that there is no such thing as fashion
>any more? Clothing in 1999 appears to have become so utilitarian and
>seems to be, like some movies, bad remakes of past years styling.
>Looking around the malls, the streets of LI and NYC, the offices,
>everyone seems to be wearing the same black or khaki pants, the sae
>capris, the same tees. Could it be that our closets are all fully
>loaded and there is nothing to buy??
> Maybe it is just the summertime (at least here in the States) or
>maybe everyone is holding out waiting for some spectacular fall
>fashions, but I just don't see much on the horizon that can be new or
>different or even exciting enough to appeal to a lot of people.
> Comments anyone?
>
>Jackie
>Support your local Attorney....Sen

Jackie

I think you are on to something here - I
go out to the malls and the stores and I
look - more and more of the same - store
after store - I want something that just
says "buy me" and that just doesn't seem
to happen. My clothing purchases are
way, way down this year so far.

I go out for "shopping therapy" sometimes
and I really really want to purchase something and I leave empty handed again.
What is it? Good discussion
Jackie.

hortensia

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Medusa wrote in message ...

>I'd cancel all my magazine subscriptions if I thought I wouldn't just go
>to the newsstand and buy them every month anyway.


hahaha!!! That is EXACTLY what I did! My only comfort is that I charge them
all on Amex and so get
more "rewards".

- hortensia

Medusa

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In article <7l0gae$5g6$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Melanie L Chang
<mlc...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:

>Medusa (med...@obscure.org) wrote:
>: Did I need to see Brad Pitt's tummy? Not to mention his rear (twice)?
>: I think not.
>Well, I think I do! [drool]
>-- Melanie, off to check out W at Borders

Hopefully you won't be disappointed.

Personally I have no problem with such photos being printed/published - I
just don't feel they're appropriate or tasteful material for a
fashion magazine such as "W." Like some of my other friends, I feel am
more interested in seeing clothed models, etc. as it leaves more to the
imagination. And normally it's the clothes I'm hoping to see anyway, not
the body ...

AJ

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I read something somewhere (wish I remember where) which
talked about how it is possible women's fashion may have
'stabilized'--that is in the late 19th century men's fashion
stabilized and hasn't changed all that much since. The thing
I read talked about how with Armani, Klein, Banana Republic,
etc, the whole clean lined interchangeable look that is going on
may represent such a stablization in women's fashion. I must
say, being someone who wears black and neutrals and who
likes simple lines, this is good news. But it would make for
somewhat unexciting fashion I guess.

--AJ
EXC JO ANN wrote in message
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Aerogasm1

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Talk about generalization of teenagers! It is quite true, the majority of
people my age that I know and associate with have not a creative thought in
their heads and are basically "sheep" when it comes to fashion. On the other
hand, you do have the few that were brought up with a flair for fashion. I like
to be dressed sleek and nicely...I like to wear a nice, knee length dress and
four inch heels during the day. It suits me and I carry it off well. However, I
am always encountered with "Why are you so dressed up?" Which I'm not, at all!
Perhaps it is true--America is becoming way too casual for my tastes.


Best,
~A~

GennyDuff

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ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie) writes:

perhaps the only conclusion to be drawn is that there is no such thing as
fashion any more?

I stopped paying attention to fashion as even a partial determinate of what I
should wear with the beginning of the 70s revival. Old enough to remember the
70s with extreme clarity and old enough to know that what I could barely get
away with then would be impossible now, I have had to be my own source of what
works on my body. There's still some couture that interests me but it
interests me indirectly as art interests me, as music does, as anthropology
does. More and more I am a woman of my own devising. (Now if only I could
make my own shoes!)

GennyDuff


EXC JO ANN

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>Now if only I could
>make my own shoes!)
>
>GennyDuff
>
>
>
Ah, yes, Genny - shoes are really one of
my big weaknesses and I do seem to find
my share of those.

EMiriamD

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>I read something somewhere (wish I remember where) which
>talked about how it is possible women's fashion may have
>'stabilized'--that is in the late 19th century men's fashion
>stabilized and hasn't changed all that much since.


I believe the statement was made by either Anne Hollander or Valerie Steele,
both of them fashion historians and writers. Hollander's best-known book is
called "Sex and Suits" and it is extraordinary. Steele, who teaches at FIT, is
also the director of the FIT Museum and the editor of a bimonthly academic
journal called "Fashion Theory." She's written six or eight books and they are
all remarkable; her research is impeccable. My favorite of hers is called
"Fetish: Fashion, Sex and Power."

Anyway, that's who probably made the statement. My guess is Hollander on this
one.

EMiriamD

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."

Lillian Hellman to House Un-American Activities Committee (1952)

EMiriamD

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>Did I need to see
>: Brad Pitt's tummy? Not to mention his rear


Bah. They leave out the good stuff.

We want The Full Monty!

EMiriamD

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>fall shoe catalogue showed
>squared toes from the major shoe designers.

Yay!!! I was right to save all my square-toed shoes! Yay!!!!!

AJ

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EMiriamD wrote in message <19990625171412...@ng-fd1.aol.com>...

>>I read something somewhere (wish I remember where) which
>>talked about how it is possible women's fashion may have
>>'stabilized'--that is in the late 19th century men's fashion
>>stabilized and hasn't changed all that much since.
>
>
>I believe the statement was made by either Anne Hollander or Valerie
Steele,
>both of them fashion historians and writers. Hollander's best-known book
is
>called "Sex and Suits" and it is extraordinary. Steele, who teaches at
FIT, is
>also the director of the FIT Museum and the editor of a bimonthly academic
>journal called "Fashion Theory." She's written six or eight books and they
are
>all remarkable; her research is impeccable. My favorite of hers is called
>"Fetish: Fashion, Sex and Power."
>
>Anyway, that's who probably made the statement. My guess is Hollander on
this
>one.
Actually not. I'm real familiar with Anne Hollander's books, have them
both. Not familiar with Steele. It may be possible I saw someone
interviewed on television about this, although I seem to recall it
from a magazine. Maybe the New Yorker. But definitely not Anne
Hollander. Can't right this minute think of the name of her first book
(maybe Seeing Through Clothes?) but she looks at movie fashion,
and points out how everyone in Taming of the Shrew has period
haristyles except for Liz Taylor, whose hair looks like late 1960s
hair.

I think a lot of people on a.f. would be really interested in her books
as well!

--AJ

Joel Weber

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S. said:


>Betts is quoted as saying "I want to make [the magazine] more
>journalistic." According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on
>fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
>culture."

------

Oh Goodie. Then In Style can be In Style. Vogue can be In Style & Harpers
can be In Style. God do these babes think we all fell off a turnip truck.

joel

Really cool indian cotton peasant blouse. Bet Tom Ford doesn't sell 'em for
$26. http://www.designervintage.com/modern.html


GennyDuff

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definitely not Anne
>Hollander. Can't right this minute think of the name of her first book
>(maybe Seeing Through Clothes?) but she looks at movie fashion,

The first book is _Seeing Through Clothes_. I really like the discussions of
nudity and drapery (especially the observation about nudes wearing invisible
clothes). But _Sex and Suits_ isn't her second book; there's _Moving Pictures_
in between them.


GennyDuff


Joel Weber

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Really cool indian cotton peasant blouse. Bet Tom Ford doesn't sell 'em for
$26. http://www.designervintage.com/modern.html

----------
>From: ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie)
In article <7l03sq$6...@dfw-ixnews19.ix.netcom.com>,
ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie) wrote:


>x-no-archive: yes


>
> Judging by the dearth of fashion related articles in just about all

>of the "fashion" magazines and also here on Alt.Fashion, perhaps the


>only conclusion to be drawn is that there is no such thing as fashion

>any more? Clothing in 1999 appears to have become so utilitarian and
>seems to be, like some movies, bad remakes of past years styling.
>Looking around the malls, the streets of LI and NYC, the offices,
>everyone seems to be wearing the same black or khaki pants, the sae
>capris, the same tees. Could it be that our closets are all fully
>loaded and there is nothing to buy??
> Maybe it is just the summertime (at least here in the States) or
>maybe everyone is holding out waiting for some spectacular fall
>fashions, but I just don't see much on the horizon that can be new or
>different or even exciting enough to appeal to a lot of people.
> Comments anyone?
>
>Jackie

>Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!


>
>memys...@aol.comprare (Denise) writes:
>
>>Katherine Betts, formerly fashion news editor of Vogue, is to be the
>new editor in chief of Bazaar. Her first issue will be December.
>>
>: Being that in the past year or 2, i've become more and more
>displeased with Vogue in general, i'm not very optimistic already...
>>

>>Betts is quoted as saying "I want to make [the magazine] more
>>journalistic." According to the Post, "the magazine will focus on
>>fashion's role in Hollywood, in music and in other parts of the
>>culture."
>>

>: Great--another Vogue clone straight from the horse's mouth. Vogue has

Joel Weber

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Bingo. As for the fall fashions, I spent the afternoon looking for my love
beads and roach clips. Thanks Tom Ford. How do I keep from ripping the arms
out of a Dashiki?

For the moment fashion's essentially moribund. On the other hand maybe the
fashions aren't boring--maybe the people are boring.

It's the comfort of "sameness." MacClothing. No imagination. No panache.
Hey, if the khakis fit...wear 'em (afterall everybody else is).

On the real fashion front--flares are going away. The in-look for fall
according to our very informed source will be a wide leg with a sort of
French cut. French cut is a leg that tapers out straight to a wider bottom.

joel

Joel Weber

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I tend to get a few more of the adventurous-arty types. But one kid in 50
who comes in here has any real style and guts (but they all think they do).
We have this cute little waterfall in town where everyone goes for their
prom pictures. Mary & I accidentally got stuck in traffic on that street
last year.

I frankly couldn't believe that many bad, cheap, identical dresses could
actually be assembled in one place with it being some kind of bizarre cosmic
accident.

joel
Really cool indian cotton peasant blouse. Bet Tom Ford doesn't sell 'em for
$26. http://www.designervintage.com/modern.html

----------
In article <7l0gue$s...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>,
ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie) wrote:


>x-no-archive: yes
> Aw shucks thanks - I'm trying <g>.
> Seriously tho, I go to some of the "best" stores and some of the
>low end ones, with cash in hand, and I really haven't bought anything
>except for a few long dresses that everyone thinks are evening wear
>when I wear them around the office - and they're NOT!!!! They are
>basically ethnic inspired long skirts that are form-fitting and that
>actually *fit*.
> Maybe Americans have become just so "casual" in their thinking as
>well as their Friday wardrobe - Romeo (the male offspring) went to his
>3rd prom this season last night and frankly, I was appalled at what
>some of the girls were wearing. I mean, these girls had shopped for
>*weeks* and frankly, every last one of them was wearing basically the
>same dress, with badly mismatched or not dyed to match, shoes;
>spaghetti strapped empire long dresses (I wouldn't even call them
>gowns) adorned with ruching or flounces with either a shawl or a shrug.
>Not an original thought in the bunch. But, that is what is being
>offered here, whether it is in Barney's or in Pay-Half. And since not
>one teenaged girl *ever* wants to be different from her friends (oh,
>g-d forbid!!!)they all buy the same thing.
> Dressing up for most teens means a clean pair of jeans and the
>decision of which of the dozens of tops that basically look the same
>they are going to wear. They are so unused to wearing nicer garments
>that they look uncomfortable and insecure in them when they finally do
>put on something more formal.
> Oh lord I just re-read what I wrote and boy, am I on a rant. Sorry
>about that! I'll stop now. :)


>
>Jackie
>Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
>

>excj...@aol.com (EXC JO ANN) writes:
>>
>>> Judging by the dearth of fashion related articles in just about all
>>>of the "fashion" magazines and also here on Alt.Fashion, perhaps the
>>>only conclusion to be drawn is that there is no such thing as fashion
>>>any more? Clothing in 1999 appears to have become so utilitarian and
>>>seems to be, like some movies, bad remakes of past years styling.
>>>Looking around the malls, the streets of LI and NYC, the offices,
>>>everyone seems to be wearing the same black or khaki pants, the sae
>>>capris, the same tees. Could it be that our closets are all fully
>>>loaded and there is nothing to buy??
>>> Maybe it is just the summertime (at least here in the States) or
>>>maybe everyone is holding out waiting for some spectacular fall
>>>fashions, but I just don't see much on the horizon that can be new or
>>>different or even exciting enough to appeal to a lot of people.
>>> Comments anyone?
>

>>I think you are on to something here - I go out to the malls and the
>stores and I look - more and more of the same - store after store - I
>want something that just says "buy me" and that just doesn't seem
>>to happen. My clothing purchases are way, way down this year so far.
>>
>>I go out for "shopping therapy" sometimes and I really really want to
>purchase something and I leave empty handed again. What is it? Good
>discussion Jackie.

Denise

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>From: "Joel Weber" <retro...@att.net>

>On the real fashion front--flares are going away. The in-look for fall
>according to our very informed source will be a wide leg with a sort of
>French cut. French cut is a leg that tapers out straight to a wider bottom

*cringe*.. Ok, i admit many women may be happy with this one--but not me. Wide
legs make me look like i'm swimming. I'll stick to narrow straight leg, thanks.

ahmward

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More bragging about my kids. Rachel could care less what the others
wer though she has a bit here and there of mall clothes in her closet.
At work this week she wore the rose linen sleeveless Ann Taylor sheath
with my pearls wrapped twice and strappy sandals. Yesterday it was
the Guess white jeans (Laura had a fit cause dad would never let her
wear jeans to work) with the cap sleeve Anthropologie shirt and black
slides. Today it was a white oxford, short black skirt with new black
leather belt. To school she would wear the same but favor slacks
because skirts are impractical. She borrowed my leopard silk scarf
earlier in the week. Laura, the beat poet, put a Stonehenge patch on
her jeans (to create interest on her butt?) patches are not in Vogue.
I must say their under the influence of a household that gets about
7-10 fashion mags a month plus weekly articles in the SF Chronicle.
Rachel can name what designer fashions just about anyone is wearing.
audrey
rob....@worldnet.att.net

Denise

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>From: high_bid...@hotmail.com (Parakeet)

>The issue just out for Vogue (the one with the 100 best dressed
>people) says they are renaming the VH-1 fashion awards to VH-1/Vogue
>fashion awards and the December issue will be devoted to "the
>influence and marriage of fashion and music"

No! Alright--let me already forsee the winners :

Best personal style, male : Puff Daddy
Best personal style, female : (tie)Foxy Brown and L'il Kim--perhaps
would[should] go to Shirly Manson, but she's not "commercial" enough for Vogue.
Best new designers : the guys from FUBU
Best Photographer : Meisel--although we at *American* Vogue stifle his creative
capacity to no end.....
Best women's collection : Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel--aka, object of Wintour's
nauseating praise.
Best dressed celeb--Everyone from Hollywood we featured on our cover is worthy!
awards to each! yea!
Andre' Leon Tally's rant for the night : "I hate Milan, you are all soooo
boring--and bring back my beloved Naomi! This business is too racist!"

Ok, if i sound bitter--i am! rant-mode, off.


Joel Weber

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Melanie's right. French cut may be the most flattering cut of all on the
most women. Flares & boot cuts can make a lot of women look pear shaped.

joel
Really cool indian cotton peasant blouse. Bet Tom Ford doesn't sell 'em for
$26. http://www.designervintage.com/modern.html

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In article <7l172l$9m2$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>, mlc...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu
(Melanie L Chang) wrote:


>Maybe I'm one of those Boring Fashion people, but this sounds interesting
>to me. I have a couple of pairs of pants cut kind of like this and it's
>one of the most flattering looks on someone with skinny hips if the pants
>have the right kind of drape (instead of being like that stiff cheap
>khaki material where the pants legs just bell straight out).

ahmward

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On 26 Jun 1999 13:20:44 GMT, ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie) wrote:

(snip)
> P.S. Why can't I find colored tissues anymore? Everything is
>white??


>
>Jackie
>Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
>

Colored tissues as for blowing your nose? SNIFF imported from Europe
found at Fred Segal
audrey


ahmward

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Have you seen the Cartier ads for the large gold ring and cascades of
gold chains? They're in several magazines.
audrey
rob....@worldnet.att.net


Joel Weber

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Yes, and with it........Mr. T. Oooooh boy.

joel
Really cool indian cotton peasant blouse. Bet Tom Ford doesn't sell 'em for
$26. http://www.designervintage.com/modern.html

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In article <7l2gtb$9...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
ej...@ix.netcom.com(Jackie) wrote:


>Does
>this mean that jewelry is coming back? And in a big way? YIPPEE!!!
>*Something* to look forward to!
>
>Jackie

ahmward

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Joel
I thought of Mr. T as well...you really need a specific neckline and
style of dress to wear that necklace. I have a freshwater pearl
necklace with several strands that I rarely wear. I think I just like
simple styles. Also I have a short neck so I don't like to encase it
to make it look even shorter.
audrey
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EMiriamD

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>French cut may be the most flattering cut of all on the
>most women.

Basically this is the only shape pants I ever buy. The leg is somewhat more or
less wide, but the style is the same. I love this shape.

Nick/Kate Coe

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Good points. I was bored to death by Allure's photo tribute to Aerin
Lauder--a purple cardigan and black pants! How original. She's a lovely
looking young woman, but not exactly a legend in the making.
Compare and contrast Babe Paley or Millicent Rogers.

3d...@qlink.queensu.canada.invalid wrote:

> I heartily agree with those who have said they've gone out shopping and
> come home empty-handed, after seeing the same old thing in store after
> store. I swear, the same clothes have been on the same racks in the same
> stores for months now! No wonder I sometimes have trouble telling my
> students apart. :P (I'm only half-kidding) (I teach a first-year
> university course)
>
> I didn't read Bazaar often, but I'd be sad to see yet another mag go the
> whole celebrity worship route. Mass culture seems to be homogenizing at an
> incredible rate; is it just me or is everything dumbing down, merging,
> rehashing, recycling? I know movie stars, singers etc. have always been
> looked to for style guidance, but *they* all start to look the same to me
> too. Ho hum, another starlet in a spaghetti strap dress who likes
> Maybelline Great Lash.
>
> I wonder what the demographic difference might be between Bazaar's
> circulation numbers and InStyle? Magazines like W, Bazaar etc. might be
> considered "specialized" interests; InStyle is just a jumped-up version of
> People. Face it, alt.fashion is a specialized group. ;) Most people
> probably wouldn't pick up a copy of a couture mag, but they'll peruse
> InStyle so they can ooh and aah over Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts or
> whomever. I suppose what I'm taking a long time to say is that it's just
> part of the general dumbing down of the world, the Disneyfying,
> Micro$ofting, MacDonald'sing of everything. Blah. Down with homogeneity!
>
> Here's a somewhat tangential anecdote that sort of expresses what I mean.
> At intervals, during the school year at Queen's, there's a big poster sale
> on campus. I've been at Queen's since 1992 [eep] and every year it's the
> same posters: the usual dead celebrities [Hendrix, Morrison etc.; Cobain
> made it there in due course], the usual odes to beer and pot, the usual
> reproductions of the usual Impressionist paintings. I had an Iron Maiden
> poster in my dorm room my first year here (as a Master's student) and I
> swear, people were organizing *tours* to visit my room because they
> couldn't believe I'd ever own such a thing. Undergrads smirk at me when I
> wear my old biker jacket. I mean, really, it's just Not Done. [and you can
> imagine the flak I get for having a Mac; people start enumerating the
> benefits of Windoze with the angry, hectoring zeal of fundamentalists on
> TV] Why did my poster freak them out? Why is my jacket so weird? Why am I
> a heretic for not buying into the M$ party line? OK, now I sound like a
> paranoid nutjob, and really, I'm not. ;) It's just the idea that
> Everything Must Be The Same. You do your hair like Gwynnie's, you buy the
> same formal dress (I've noticed that too), you buy the newest Pentium as
> soon as it comes out so you can keep up with all your friends and play the
> latest versions of the same games, you go to the same movies, and there
> are the same celebrities in all the magazines. If Catherine Zeta-Jones or
> Ben Affleck start showing up in Past & Present or English Historical
> Review, that scream you hear ringing out over Lake Ontario will be mine.
> ;)
>
> (I really shouldn't be posting at 3:15 a.m. Just ignore me :)
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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:00:04 -0700, Nick/Kate Coe <nc...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Good points. I was bored to death by Allure's photo tribute to Aerin
>Lauder--a purple cardigan and black pants! How original. She's a lovely
>looking young woman, but not exactly a legend in the making.
>Compare and contrast Babe Paley or Millicent Rogers.
>


I agree, I was really struck by her lack of makeup. Okay, I'm
prejudiced but come on show off your product. I found her look quite
boing. Be natural at home.


Dianna

Nick/Kate Coe

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She did look pretty blah.

I also got a charge out of the feature on Donatela's hairdresser! (He does
Cher and Courtney Love, as well.) She's a pretty flamboyant woman, and
you've got to give her credit--but it's not her hair!
kate Coe

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