Which cosmetics lines will disappear in a few years??
d...@sac.uky.edu
: Which lines don't have much staying power in your humble opinion, or that you
: think will disappear/fade in a few years??
: My votes:
: -Fetish (company in chapter 7; slowdown of new products)
Sorry for the display of ignorance, but what sort of bankruptcy
is chapter 7?
Also, my vote for this has to go to Stila. It costs too much
for what you get (crummy packaging and, in the case of the Lip
Rouge at least, crummy product). Star endorsements will only
get you so far.
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DCody25
years. Clarins is another possibility to vanish in the US and possibly YSL.
IMO, of course!
Donna
RjudithMA
years. Clarins is another possibility to vanish in >the US and possibly YSL.
Why Dior? I thought with their new products and seasonal color storys they
were being quite competitive? Last year the Diorific lipsticks that they could
not keep jazzy brown in stock, the hair mascaras and this year the new plastic
glosses.. Memorable Violet sold out most places and now their new Poision
scent. What insider info do you know? Clairins I can see and YSL has already
been dumped by Bergdorfs which is a shame but supposedly Sephora will have it.
They have stock but no testers and have yet to set it up 6 weeks after opening
here. rjudith
Eunice Stephens
relatively new division to them and seems a lot of things are happening.
I'll learn more about this line when I go to my interview next Wednesday.
Eunice
CLin wrote in message <19981217104130...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>Which lines don't have much staying power in your humble opinion, or that
you
>think will disappear/fade in a few years??
>
>My votes:
>
>-Club Monaco cosmetics (nothing really special to keep it alive)
>-Smashbox (even tho i have their stuff, the company is in financial
trouble, so
>unless they get a money infusion to develop new products...)
>-Fetish (company in chapter 7; slowdown of new products)
>-Various boutique lines that are mostly private label cosmetics stamped
with
>the store logo
>
>--
>C. Lin
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EXC JO ANN
>years. Clarins is another possibility to vanish in the US and possibly YSL.
>Donna
>
Hi Donna
I have heard a few rumors - I would bet on
Clarins not being around or at least being
sold off to another company.
Jo Ann @ Exclusively Jo Ann
www.exclusivelyjoann.com
DCody25
Dior is really down in the numbers nationwide more so than any other line.
They are valiantly trying to make a comeback with the new products they've come
out with but they are up against a 75 percent drop in sales in this past fiscal
year. Clarins and YSL business is in big trouble overall. These 3 lines are
being pulled out of several stores in the Midwest market.
Laurie0512
Just guessing...
Laurie
ahmward
audrey
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LauraPlmer
>What about MUFE? Wasn't it taken out of many or all Nordstrom's?
>
>
Yes!!! It surely was taken out of most Nordstrom's and most stores in general.
As a former makeup artist for the line in a Nordstrom store,I know all too
well that the company is plagued with nothing but problems concerning
stock,numbers,select market.
My suggestion is to retail Make Up For Ever in Costume shops
nationwide,hence,since it is theatrical makeup,who visits their local Nordies
or Saks to pick up a new batch of Ben Nye blood.
And yes-Make Up Forever is barely holding on,Stila is pulling out,Smashbox is
pulling out.
I have my eye on Vincent Longo. How much longer will that line make it?
Ciao-
Laura
ahmward
Lauder brands or the drugstore Revlons and Loreals. It's all a matter
of money. That's why we have a hard time finding a SA available who
knows the smaller line when we go to the cosmetic counter. We truly
are in the minority as far as our knowledge and acquisition of
products from these smaller companies. Also those that are bolder
in color such as MUFE or Urban Decay just don't appeal to the average
cosmetics buyer.
audrey
Zoe Hubbard
zoe
ahmward <ahm...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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Joan Reynolds
went out of business?
I can think of a few off the top of my head: Nars Pigalle lipstick (my
very favorite lipstick,) my MAC Haux and Folie eye shadows, my Stila
Barefoot Contessa, Urchin and Haze shadows, Kheil's lip balm #1,
Shiseido Liquid compact foundation, BB blush stick.
ta...@my-dejanews.com
> audrey
>
I have noticed the Alexandra de Markoff is located near the elevators at
Nordstrom (in SF) away from most foot traffic, so I suspect that will be
biting the dust soon too.
tasha
Stellaglo
to....nars.... i was told by sources at that N store which used to carry it,
but now doesn't, that they stopped because the nars company had so many
distribution problems, that the nars people were just too difficult to deal
with. carry on.
CGoldTX
favorite Dior products??
Connie
>I am going out on a limb here but I suspect Dior is going to go within a few
>years. Clarins is another possibility to vanish in the US and possibly YSL.
>IMO, of course!
>Donna
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I'm guessing the smaller lines based on funky colors/nailpolish, etc, such as
Tuff Scent-ence and Two Faced (or something like that). I'm wondering about the
future of the Victoria's Secret and Bath and Body Works lines as well. Also, if
Tony and Tina doesn't branch out into other areas, I can see some trouble
brewing there, too. And what about Body and Soul (at Barney's), Senna, Look,
and Awake?
~*~*~Christine~*~*~
rjk
also has supply problems and really doesn't seem to be producing much new.
Laura Mercier? Vincent Longo ? Does Lauder need any more MA lines?
They really do in their mind have a separate niche for each line. rjudith
YossarianA
tried has been sub par. The quality of this line seems much lower than any
other the other indie lines I've used IMHO (ie. Longo, Mercier). I was very
dissapointed by their foundation.
-Y
Neptys
the roof and all three do very little advertising.
Poppy, MUFE, Fetish - I've heard rumors...
*neptys*
<= was Aveda carrying the Cargo. After a few hours they stopped at the Px to
get Hard Candy, H2O and to use the Bath & Body Works. In the Px was a strange,
sexy woman named Victoria. She told commander Ben Nye that she had a secret.
Victoria's Secret
KaPx1004
-soohwang-
Eunice Stephens
Eunice Stephens
to compete with the Lauder companies in getting stock because most of the
cosmetic companies use the same few manufacturers (mostly in Germany). I
feel it'll survive though, but maybe will be bought out by Lauder in the
future.
Eunice
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PaganGrrl9
My three favorites!!!
Are you trying to kill me, Audrey??
LOL
Kristina
(gasping for air)
Audrey thought that the victims may be--
>hard candy and urban decay also possibly MUFE
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Pauliina
how a certain cosmetic line is doing depending on the geographic location.
For instance, in Europe Dior and YSL are pretty big, because we don't have
too many other high-end lines that compete with them. They also have a good
reputation of being good quality and old,reliable line. In Europe we don't
have too many places that sell Stila, Nars,BB etc. which are really popular
in the States (and among us well educated alt.fashion readers in Europe)
For me, it would seem really odd if Dior, for example went away.
Pauliina
CGoldTX <cgo...@aol.comREMOVE> wrote in article
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PsiKoWoman
Shiseido.
Borghese.
All three lines have had terminal stock problems in stores I have been in.
Ellen
Matthew Malevolent
>
> Which lines don't have much staying power in your humble opinion, or that you
> think will disappear/fade in a few years??
Anything not acquired by Estee Lauder. The family is full of aspiring
Bernard Arnaults, and they seem to have learned the Master's lessons
well.
--
Matthew La Rochelle
"The way to a woman's heart is through the Shoe Department."
WIBBLING
Fetish
Too Faced
Clarins
Ultima II
I dont think Hard Candy, Urban Decay or Tony & Tina will disappear. In fact,
as the millenium approaches, there will probably be more glittery, cutting edge
makeup around. Then again, Im thinking there might be another "natural" trend.
Ultima II is now sold in drugstores, but it doesnt seem to be selling. Ive
never seen anyone checking out their stuff. Fetish is of the worst quality and
that must explains why it seems to be disappearing.
Lisa
WIBBLING
I agree with Smashbox. I do have a prediction though. I think Stila is only
going to get BIGGER!
Lisa
linda marie
my friend who works at corporate Lauder has said that MAC has been doing
poorly. I find that difficult to believe, since every time I go near a
counter it is swamped ....linda marie in dc
jp...@kitten.ndscs.nodak.edu
MAC Studio Fix in C2
MAC Spice lipliner
MAC Twig lipstick
Stila Kitten eyeshadow
Stila Luce & Robin lipsticks
Stila Fade blush
Items I would rather not live without:
MAC Espresso eyeshadow (as liner)
MAC Wuss, Verve, and Del Rio lipsticks
Stila Rose & Taupe Shines
Stila Lynn, Jane, and Lina lipsticks
Stila Puck, Barefoot Contessa, Holly Golightly, and Cloud shadows
Lancome Clarifiance cleanser
Lancome Bienfait Total SPF 15
Estee Lauder Clean Finish toner
Oil Of Olay Daily Renewal cleanser
Borghese Fango Mud
Alpha Hydrox 10% Creme
Wet & Wild Clear Nail Protector
Seche Vite
OPI Route Beer Float, Maine-iac Mauve,and H-Andover the Amethyst nail polishes
I would stockpile everything on this list, but especially the stuff on the
top. -- Jen in ND
DCody25
for 4 long months and the stock problem was bad that and worse now.. Yes
Borghese is as good as gone...IMHO, of course!
Donna
RemarQ User
Many products and lines I've liked
already have disappeared. I didn't stockpile them, but I did seek out a
substitute. True, sometimes the
substitute was inferior; but just as often, it turned out to be as good or
better, and I never would have
found it had the original stuff stayed around. I don't feel passionate
about cosmetic items and toiletries. If
I'm clean and well-groomed, I'm satisfied. If I find a wonderful shampoo or
blush, so much the better. But if
not....it doesn't seem to have a personal impact on me. I'm not sure why
that is, though.
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Laurie0512
Ultima II
Borghese
DeMarkoff - I never see this line around.
Fetish - definitely!
Smaller lines like Hard Candy, Urban Decay, Tony and Tina, and Smashbox. They
already took Hard Candy out of my local department store, Gottschalks...
Now, I'm even more sure that MUFE will disappear.
Laurie (hoping Stila and Nars will never ever disappear!!)
YossarianA
my skin. I don't know what I'd do without these suckers.
-Y
Laurie0512
*Lancome Clarifiance
*Stila Posey Shine
*Absolute Soaps
*Nars Tokyo duo
*CSP Vanille Abricot and Amour de Cacao
*Kiehl's Lip Balm #1 - I'm already stocked up on these!
*Differin
I could find replacements for other products...
I wouldn't need to stock up on Stila eyeshadows/liners, because the pots would
last forever.
Laurie
Laurie0512
gone to the Sears market. My nearest Nordstrom, as well as Beauty Cafe, don't
sell it anymore.
Laurie
St T
>
> What products would you stockpile of they were discontinued or the line
> went out of business?
BENEFIT'S alpha wash stuff. It's got great texture, it doesn't make me flaky,
and it doesn't make me break out. In fact, I'm going to buy two bottles this
weekend -- one for the bf's house and another to make sure I don't run out at home.
Nike boys' hiking boots - When they're discontinued, they're pretty cheap. I
usually wait until the season changes and pick up my tennies and hiking boots.
They wear like iron, and it's always fun to point out to the bf's male
friends that I have the same shoes as they. Plus when they're clearanced, I'm
hoping it means I'm not giving as much money to Phil Knight.
Seasonal clearance: I stock up on opaque tights. You can never have too many
pairs of medium black control top tights.
--
St Theresa of the Net/only one you at uwm/Goal: HS wardrobe/&Don in '99/all
bases covered
ahmward
>What about Smashbox? This line seems very medicocre to me. Everything I've
>tried has been sub par. The quality of this line seems much lower than any
>other the other indie lines I've used IMHO (ie. Longo, Mercier). I was very
>dissapointed by their foundation.
>-Y
I don't think Smashbox is big enough to last though I do like their
nail and lip colors
audrey
Missy M. Leon
regular pencil and the other end is chubby) in Freckle that Neiman Marcus
had. This is a great basic color for me, basically foolproof.
I would also stockpile:
€ Origins Pinch Your Cheeks
€ Clinique Touchbase in Buff Lighting
€ Bobbi Brown Bone eyeshadow
€ Bonne Bell Lip Lites in Shoutin' Sugar
Missy M. Leon (3L)
Southern Methodist University School of Law
Dallas, Texas
ahmward
>OMG--
>
>My three favorites!!!
>
>Are you trying to kill me, Audrey??
>
>LOL
>
>Kristina
>(gasping for air)
>
>Audrey thought that the victims may be--
>>hard candy and urban decay also possibly MUFE
Kristina
I'm so very sorry :( You know by now that I'm just a realist. What
if I add that new and better lines will replace them :)
audrey
rob....@worldnet.att.net
ahmward
><<What about Smashbox? This line seems very medicocre to me. Everything I've
>tried has been sub par. The quality of this line seems much lower than any
>other the other indie lines I've used IMHO (ie. Longo, Mercier). I was very
>dissapointed by their foundation.
>-Y>>>
>
>I agree with Smashbox. I do have a prediction though. I think Stila is only
>going to get BIGGER!
>Lisa
I also agree with the comment on stila. I remember when I first began
posting on alt.afashion. MAC was not a well known brand where I live
in California. Then it showed up in the bigger cities, Los Angeles
and San Francisco. Everyone went out of town for MAC. Now it is sold
at the Macys where I live and as in the other cities it is a very
popular brand. Stila has the same potential.
audrey
hortensia
de Markoff
Orlane
Smashbox
Urban Decay
Tony and Tiny
MUFE - so much for "for ever"
- hortensia
YossarianA
products are good, weren't they just kicked out of Nordies? Also, what about
Barney's Look, Lorac, Club Monaco....
Wow, they're so amny
-Y
cache_miss
(Urban Decay, Hard Candy, etc.) will disappear. They definitely filled
a void a few years ago, but now drugstore lines have finally gotten
into more unusual colors and products too. A line like Hard Candy
would have to establish its products as major "status items" among
teens. I'm sure their products _are_ coveted, but I don't think
they're anywhere near "everyone-has-to-have-it" status (it'd have to
be more widely available, for one thing, as in more counters, and more
items in stock at those counters).
I believe that most teens (A.F-ers aside, of course) aren't going to
regularly drop $12 for nail polish or even for an eyeshadow, except as
a rare treat, _maybe_, since fun stuff is available now for much less.
On the other hand, I've always been appalled by how overpriced really
"trendy" places (say, Express) are when things aren't on sale (way
overpriced for the quality, I mean, and still not really _cheap_). Yet
(young) people continue to spend a lot of money at these stores.
Christina
(change "hit" to "miss" to reply)
Marty
EXC JO ANN
project which form of marketing cosmetics will
survive in the next few years - eg, department
store, mass merchandiser, etc.
Nichola Collins
> What products would you stockpile of they were discontinued or the line
> went out of business?
Not entirely convinced that this is a good idea.
This summer a favorite line of lipstick was discontinued. I bought enough
backups to last me a year, enough time to find some worthy successors.
This way I feel I won't get stuck in a rut, my makeup becoming completely
out of date, at least when it comes to lipstick colors.
YossarianA
-Y
YossarianA
-Y
Anthasam2
><<I believe that most teens (A.F-ers aside, of course) aren't going to
>regularly drop $12 for nail polish or even for an eyeshadow,>>
>
>status makeup, most teens just won't drop $35 for an eyeshadow quad, no
>matter
>how cute it looks. My 19 yr old sister is the only one in her entire college
>sorority who owns a Techno quad, or a HC makeup product, for that matter.
>"Average", non-Alt.Fash. teens consistently buy Cover Girl and Maybelline,
>maybe a few MAC items, and if they really want to begin acquiring makeup,
>it's
>usually Clinique, since most of their friends/older sisters/moms have
>Clinique
>products as well.
I agree, I am 14 years old, and one of the rare ones who will pay $15 for an
eyeshadow and $35 for powder. Most of the people at my school have never heard
of Stila or MAC, and wouldnt' spend that much money on it if they had. The
"status" makeup at my school is Clinique, which is considered very expensive to
most of them. So I think that Hard Candy and Urban Decay could easily
dissappear if they keep aiming towards that age.
P.S.- I just read my letter and it makes me sound like a snob, I'm sorry I
didn't mean for it to sound that way!!
DKNY53
also have drugstore brands but i prefer dept store
RemarQ User
problems, too.
(Asia had been a burgeoning market for American firms.)
Revlon, for one, has had financial trouble, which is why they put Ultima II
in drugstores -- to generate
more sales. As for the smaller high-end cosmetics companies, most of them
will be consumed by the
big fish... or die.The current popularity of trendy high-end makeup could
pass, too. One never knows
when something that's hot will become passe.
On the low end, Freeman was bought by Dial Corp. this year. Dial wants a
major market share
of the bath/body business; they also acquired Sarah Michaels, I think. We'll
see more of that sort of
thing. It's not a pleasant thought, but it's the way of the world right now.
How many independent local
retail clothing stores remain? In my area, precious few. Almost everything
is part of a big chain or
conglomerate.
MShock1
Barefoot Contessa, Kitten, Viola, Moonlight, and O'Keefe. I'm sure my list
will grow as soon as I try more Stila shadows. {~_~}
~Marilyn~
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RacerDawl5
*Kiehl's lip balm #1
*Kiehl's Ultra Facial Moisturizer- my skin just drinks this stuff up!
*Philosophy Out of Control blemish gel- the only stuff that works every time
for me
*Jane Browbeaters- unfortunately, I didn't, so now it's Origins Brow Gel which
is 3x more expensive...
*Longo WC- my absolute favorite foundation
*MUFE waterproof black mascara- what on earth did I do before I discovered
this?
*MAC Touch lipstick
*LORAC Laura lipstick
*NARS Harlow gloss
All of my other favorites (Px Sheen Cream, Stila shadows, other assorted
lipsticks) are never ever going to get used up, so I'm not terribly worried
about them!
~*~*~Christine~*~*~
Hypogrrrl
perfect red lipstick as I did with Gash! aaahhh!!
very disturbed,
janet
DCody25
new color but it can't escape the "old lady" label.. I say Orlane is on its way
out by the milennium.
Donna
HMatz88888
unfortunate as the Dior story, as the foundations, shadows and skincare is
nothing short of superb.
Regina Berry
PaganGrrl9
I bought myself (instead of having been given a gift) my first high end
fragrance when I was 19 and had my own job to buy it with. I did not buy
high end for myself with any regularity until I began working for lancome when
I was 22. Had I not worked for lancome, it would've been even longer I
suspect.
Kristina
C lin noted that:
>I agree wholeheartedly. Except for the very few and fab teens into high-end
>status makeup, most teens just won't drop $35 for an eyeshadow quad, no
>matter
>how cute it looks.
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*Maybelline Lash by Lash mascara in brown/black & very black
*Bobbi Brown foundation stick in Warm Ivory
*Hard Candy Piglet Lipstick (i have 6 of them--just in case)
*Hard Candy Sky nailpolish
*Jane eyeliner in any color
*St. Ives Cocoa Body Wash
*Fuzzy Peach eau de parfum from Body Shop
*i would if i could've the Fuzzy Peach stuff at Body Shop but it got
discontinued b4 i figured it out, so if they stopped making the fragrance
oil so that i couldn't even mix my own lotion/body gel with that
zoe
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> Stila Terra and Heath shadows. My first Terra is almost gone and another
> is already waiting in the wings; recently got Heath in a swap (thanks
> rjudith) and it's absolutely the perfect color for lashes to crease and
> to define my brows. And these are the only shadows I have ever tried
> that look exactly the same at the end of the day as when I put them on in
> the morning.
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Joan Reynolds
> generally a bad sign? Or are they just cases of deals with the dept.
> store not quite working out, etc.?
Usually when a store drops a line it is for one of two reasons, neither
very positive. 1.) The products were no good and the line was moved out
to make room for a better-selling one. 2.) The line had severe
distribution problems or obnoxious business practices that made dealing
with that company more trouble than they were worth.
Sheellah
cosmetics. They have had large gains and they expect their cosmetics biz to
grow at 20% next year. Their fragrance division sales have been soft though!
rjk
Soft here - but not in Europe with Hypnotic Poison. When Saks' exclusive
finishes it will go like hot cakes. All they need is that with body
products. rjudith
PsiKoWoman
NARS Balanced foundation in Mont Blanc, Vanilla concealer, Flesh loose powder
and possibly pressed
Gipsy lipstick
AAE
Blondie
Stila Chinois, Luce, Kate, Lip Contour #4, nail polishes!, Hint and Fade
YSL Touche Eclat (please, please don't let them discontinue YSL)
I doubt Trish will vanish. Bobbi Brown is now Lauder, as is MAC, they aren't
going anywhere. This thread is upseting. The lines I like most are being
picked as most likely to leave us.
Ellen
Charles L. Perrin
>Nike boys' hiking boots - When they're discontinued, they're pretty cheap. I
>usually wait until the season changes and pick up my tennies and hiking boots.
> They wear like iron, and it's always fun to point out to the bf's male
>friends that I have the same shoes as they. Plus when they're clearanced, I'm
>hoping it means I'm not giving as much money to Phil Knight.
I suspect that a good bit comes out of the store profit.
Merlina
Pauliina <Leena.L...@pp.inet.fi> writes
>This is an interesting thread! I think there can be a big difference about
>how a certain cosmetic line is doing depending on the geographic location.
>For instance, in Europe Dior and YSL are pretty big, because we don't have
>too many other high-end lines that compete with them. They also have a good
>reputation of being good quality and old,reliable line. In Europe we don't
>have too many places that sell Stila, Nars,BB etc. which are really popular
>in the States (and among us well educated alt.fashion readers in Europe)
Yeah - I'd very much agree with that. Dior's Svelte is still, I think,
the no 1 item sold at the duty free counters at heathrow & Gatwick
airports. and it's *huge* in the far east
--
Merlina
I have a firm grip of reality - now I can strangle it....
Merlina
>CLin (cl...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Which lines don't have much staying power in your humble opinion, or that you
>: think will disappear/fade in a few years??
All the ones that are launched by every crummy make-up
artist/hairdresser/ fashion journalist/PR people/ someone who met
someone famous once.....
Most of them are nothing special, they're ego trips for the insecure
folks who launch them I think - I just don't buy the 'I needed the
perfect blusher so I created my own - one that would appeal to *real*
women everywhere' marketing bullshit
cache_miss
Are you saying that you think Stila will vanish? Or are those products
simply ones you would stockpile _if_ it did (as per the other
"disappearing" thread)?
Nars and Smashbox have left the Nordstrom I shop at, and Longo
vanished from Neiman Marcus a little while ago too. Is leaving a store
generally a bad sign? Or are they just cases of deals with the dept.
store not quite working out, etc.? (Smashbox has since appeared at
Lord and Taylor, at least in NYC, for example.)
I think some older companies still do well as less major, highly
exclusive lines. Is Guerlain going anywhere? I think YSL falls into
this same category. (Just my gut feeling--I'd love to know any real
inside info if I'm terribly wrong!)
Tansmets
Not sure about Longo or MUFE. I don't think chantecaille will do that well
either, unless they are picked up by another dept. store.
Tansmets
>through
>the roof and all three do very little advertising.
I think 5S will stay around for a while..was in the store today, it wasn't
exactly crowded but there were a fair amount of people there..and aren't they
doing sales over the web also? I Natural..that store is dead.
Emily the Visible
>This is true...
>I bought myself (instead of having been given a gift) my first high end
>fragrance when I was 19 and had my own job to buy it with. I did not buy
>high end for myself with any regularity until I began working for lancome when
>I was 22. Had I not worked for lancome, it would've been even longer I
>suspect.
That's pretty similar to me. I bought my first high end things around
18-20 (not sure of the exact time period). And they were Clinique
things, because I like Clinique lipsticks and face powder. The typical
teen buys Cover Girl cause it's cheap. They also tend not to do
brushes to the degree I do (and did even as a teen... I was so proud
of having my first makeup brush). Often teens don't even use
foundation sponges. Let's not talk about how few know how to match
foundation to their skin tone, or use loose powder, or use eyeshadow
as an eyeliner.
Emily (who is proud that she's taught her sis about all of those
things)
Emily the Visible
wrote:
>Nars and Smashbox have left the Nordstrom I shop at, and Longo
>vanished from Neiman Marcus a little while ago too. Is leaving a store
>generally a bad sign? Or are they just cases of deals with the dept.
>store not quite working out, etc.? (Smashbox has since appeared at
>Lord and Taylor, at least in NYC, for example.)
We-ell... Lord and Taylor doesn't see cosmetics as an important part
of their customers' shopping. Thus, they cut back the lines they carry
:P and the floor area they devote to it. Of course, I'm predicting
that the L&T I work at is gonna go bust eventually because they don't
have any of the "New York styles" that people come in looking for. In
other words, they are a conservative store, and they don't do good
market research.
For pete's sake, in Harrisburg they don't have Chanel or Px... but
they have Clarins, Orlane, De Markoff, and Fashion Fair, which most
people have never heard of.
Emily (who thinks it's telling that Px counters are usually busy
around here and Chanel has the same "problem")
hortensia
to find a replacement for - often a better one.
I used to get nervous about Px comfort cream being discontinued. I got
introduced to Pola and the rest is history. I just got a sample of Creme de
la Mer today and it is feeling wonderful...
I used to miss Stagelights lip glosses but I just bought Px Twinkle and the
world is wonderful. Does anybody remember Barone?
This is why I try not to stockpile - I keep finding new stuff.
- hortensia
Liz Almond
reached saturation point. I think most probably Longo, Smashbox, LM and
possibly BB will go back to being MA only products, rather than widespread
commercial use. I also think that many of the high-end funky nailpolish
people will go - Too Faced, Ink, Tony and Tina etc, but I don't think that
Urban Decay or Hard Candy will go just yet - what they ideally need is good
backers to help them clear up their supply problems and to target more of
the funky/alternative young adults rather than teens, who can't spend that
much on makeup. Stila can (if they also get good backing) hit the big time.
They have good products and innovative ideas, but they need to sort out
their distribution and customer relations issues. Also I think that Nars
are going to be huge, I can see "The Next Mac" thing happening there.
Liz Almond
Leicester England
l...@revbob.globalnet.co.uk
FIGARO6
who need a toned down more natural makeup look. The other - Longo, Smashbox,
Hard Candy, I can see fading back in to oblivion.
Linda
rjk
> Urban Decay or Hard Candy will go just yet - what they ideally need is
good
> backers to help them clear up their supply problems and to target more of
> the funky/alternative young adults rather than teens, who can't spend
that
> much on makeup.
from the Urban Decay website: http://urbandecay.com/
"Sandy Lerner, who functions as the CEO, founded Urban Decay out of
necessity. She searched for months for department store quality nail polish
in unusual colors, lamenting the fact that there were 500 colors of pink
polishes, but no greens or purples. Unsuccessful but undaunted, she then
made her own, mixing batches of unique colors. Probably the most successful
self-made woman in the U.S., Sandy then took the next step. She decided to
create her own alternative cosmetics line.
In a previous life, Sandy co-founded Cisco Systems, a Silicon Valley based
computer networking company which developed the "router." On-line folk owe
her a great deal, as this piece of hardware and software provides, among
other things, the connections for 70-80% of the Internet. Currently, she's
out of computers and into cosmetics, animals (she's a huge contributor to
animal rights causes and loves her six cats dearly), Jane Austen (she's
renovating Chawton House - Jane Austen's family home in England - into the
Center for the Study of Early English Women's Literature) and raising and
riding her Shire horses. She likes to cruise on her Harley, wear her hair
long and purple and her nails short and blue. "
Sandy Lerner is 46 years old. Urban Decay is her baby and hobby. It is
not merely intended for teens but as written on the UD site page it fills
here own desires for color. She received $80 million worth of Cisco stock
when she was bought out in 1990. So Sandy Lerner doesn't need money or
backing. She also is Director-Bosack/Kruger Charitable Foundation,
Redmond, WA and Director-XKL Systems, Corporation, Redmond, WA. It is
interesting in that after Cisco was bought out, Sandy Lerner was
eventually fired. I have seen her interviewed and she still is bitter over
this and probably not about to let go of the favorite company she founded.
Sandy is creative and an entrepreneur but not (as Cisco corporate felt) a
particularly good manager. We see this in Urban Decay but heck with that
money she doesn't have to be. Urban Decay will only go away if Sandy gets
tired of it and doesn't seem any woman obsessed with makeup colors will
tire? rjudith
DCody25
Usually when a store drops a line it is for one of two reasons, neither
very positive. 1.) The products were no good and the line was moved out
to make room for a better-selling one. 2.) The line had severe
distribution problems or obnoxious business practices that made dealing
with that company more trouble than they were worth.
You are accurate in your assessment of this Joan but I have been on the other
side of the fence trying to get new lines into a store. I was the only one in
management that fought to get lines like Stila, BB, and Nars in and to dump
Orlane(a poor performer). The reply was that business in the store was "soft"
and they couldn't "risk" having one of the aforementioned lines come in."
Risk", I said, "you can't afford not to!"
Everyday either myself or a member of my staff had to turn away customers
asking for Stila, Nars, and BB. With the onset of E-commerce and makeup artist
lines, business is down 33 percent in the Midwest speciality store market.
The other utterly stupid move was not to have guest artists in like Trish, who
graciously offered to come. Their fear was not being able to "anniversary"
figures next year. At this point they will have to be worried about being
opened at all next year. When I came into this business, I was of teacher of 17
years and certainly no visionary. However, the writing on the wall is there! I
chose not to be part of it(shocking to the powers that be) hence my departure
into doing a solo venture and teaching again!
Having a life again:)
Donna
Liz Almond
Merlina wrote in message ...
>All the ones that are launched by every crummy make-up
>artist/hairdresser/ fashion journalist/PR people/ someone who met
>someone famous once.....
>
>Most of them are nothing special, they're ego trips for the insecure
>folks who launch them I think - I just don't buy the 'I needed the
>perfect blusher so I created my own - one that would appeal to *real*
>women everywhere' marketing bullshit
Hear Hear! I mean, with all the lines out there, do they seriously expect
us to *believe* they're doing this through a desire to find products that
"match up to their standards as MA's/Whoever"? And if so, why do they need
to retail them? Why can't they just make up a little exclusive batch?
Methinks I smell greed in the air!
Ruby and Millie - I'm out to get you!
Merlina
<lo...@umail.umd.edu> writes
>
>
>my friend who works at corporate Lauder has said that MAC has been doing
>poorly. I find that difficult to believe, since every time I go near a
>counter it is swamped ....linda marie in dc
Well they haven't even done a country-wide launch in England yet - nor
the rest of Europe.
all the counters we do have still have waiting lists for the legendary
Spice lipliner
I think there's *huge* market potential here if they'd only get round to
making it available
rjk
just cases of >>deals with the dept. store not quite working out, etc.?
> very positive. 1.) The products were no good and the line was moved out
> to make room for a better-selling one. 2.) The line had severe
> distribution problems or obnoxious business practices that made dealing
> with that company more trouble than they were worth.
Wednesday Tracy and I had a conversation with the cosmetics manager @
Nordstrom about the lines they carry. They do add and delete lines. When
Nordies opened there was no Stila - 8 months later they added it. The CM,
Susan, said they had many requests for Nars but that Nars is a particularly
difficult company to deal with and they could not maintain stock levels to
satisfy customers. This is observed first hand at the Sephora in the same
mall. But she did note that this spring they would be adding Longo which
was a pleasure to deal with. Also of note business @ Laura Mercier (who
herself briefly appeared this fall) is booming - far beyond projections.
Tracy picked up a fantastic holiday case/ brush set complete with puff,
sponge & sharpener by LM. I not read or seen this any where. And this
store (the first and only Nordstrom in New England) does not carry Dior or
Smashbox. The CM came from the West Coast (CA) and noted Smashbox had some
problems. Also she is delighted with Tony and Tina (Tony himself will be
appearing there next week) and products go out just as fast as they come
in. The new glitters have sold out twice with waiting lists, 2 new
lipsticks - including a beautiful cool brown, sold out and next month T & T
is launching a new line of eye shadows that are chamomile based. rjudith
rjk
> Well they haven't even done a country-wide launch in England yet - nor
> the rest of Europe. all the counters we do have still have waiting lists
potential here if they'd only get >round to making it available
At their annual stock holder's meeting, Leonard Lauder indicated that the
corporation's main area of expansion was to be South East Asia. Lauder may
feel that in Europe there is already significant competition and it would
be far harder to launch the lines country wide. I am sure they have
statistics and would bet that even in these economic times, the average
Asian purchaser buys more items and/or spends more per visit @ their
counter than that of the average European. And it is all numbers in the
corporate game. rjudith
EXC JO ANN
>us to *believe* they're doing this through a desire to find products that
>"match up to their standards as MA's/Whoever"? And if so, why do they need
>to retail them? Why can't they just make up a little exclusive batch?
>Methinks I smell greed in the air!
Liz - I couldn't agree more. Yes everyone of these makeup artists go back
into their little
cosmetic kitchen and creates from scratch this
wonderful product that no one else has!!!!!
Jo Ann @ Exclusively Jo Ann
www.exclusivelyjoann.com
Linda Condry
Actually the MUFE store in SoHo seemed to be very busy and well stocked the last
time I was there.
Linda
CGoldTX wrote:
> YIKE! Anyone else thinking that they are going to start stocking up on their
> favorite Dior products??
>
> Connie
>
> >I am going out on a limb here but I suspect Dior is going to go within a few
> >years. Clarins is another possibility to vanish in the US and possibly YSL.
> >IMO, of course!
> >Donna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ==============================
> http://www.beautycafe.com
> 3 day select shipping on orders over
> 75.00 is on us!
Daryl
>out of computers and into cosmetics, animals (she's a huge contributor to
>animal rights causes and loves her six cats dearly), Jane Austen (she's
>renovating Chawton House - Jane Austen's family home in England - into the
>Center for the Study of Early English Women's Literature) and raising and
>riding her Shire horses. She likes to cruise on her Harley, wear her hair
>long and purple and her nails short and blue.
>Sandy Lerner is 46 years old.
Thanks for finding my long lost twin. I'm 46, too. Ran a commercial bank then
hit the glass ceiling. Into cosmetics, songwriting, animals (have cats),
literature (have major). Like to drive my Camaro. Have long hair and love
purple.
Daryl
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VictoryCMO
13 and have been buying department store stuff since I was 12. I have mac,
clinique, stila, trish lip and face kits her brushes and have had all 3
organizers ( only have the micro mini and large now. ) I have lots of Px,
BeneFit, some Shiseido, E Arden, and some Lacome. I buy it all with my own
money. But then I have some L'oral and Bonne Bell. The only reason my friends
know Stila and BeneFit is because they see my stuff! Comments welcome ( please!
)
Just to let you all know it's all because of alt.fashion.
mely...@my-dejanews.com
it looks like it's more popular outside of the Midwest where I live, which
makes me very happy. It just didn't sell well in this area. I also think
Victoria's Secret won't last long. Blecch. Nothing interesting.
Mels
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Anthasam2
Same for me, but I'm a couple years older.
PsiKoWoman
will fold. They are too popular and have done very well. They have the
potential to be the next MAC. My list of things to stockpile was *if* they
went out of business.
I certainly hope that NARS., Longo, Mercier stay the distance. They are lines
that have a lot to offer. Unfortunately, MUFE also had lots to offer and is
now not widely available. Does anyone from France know if MUFE is sold there,
still?
Ellen
Rachel Chen
PsiKoWoman <psiko...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Does anyone from France know if MUFE is sold there,
> still?
Yup, in their boutique and Sephora.
Cover Girl doesn't seem to be doing too well. They've been pulled out of
Singapore altogether, along with Almay.
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Janice Sadowski
On 18 Dec 1998 14:40:17 GMT, dco...@aol.com (DCody25) wrote:
>Ellen, how the heck could I forget Borghese. They will go! I worked for them
>for 4 long months and the stock problem was bad that and worse now.. Yes
>Borghese is as good as gone...IMHO, of course!
Donna is right....they are always the first counter to be eliminated,
if they were included at all in the first place. The marketing is
terrible, the sales help is non-existent, and as Donna said, the stock
problem is bad. It's really a shame because the products I have tried
have been excellent quality.
Janice
Beth Gould
beth
who is tired of the thinly veiled MK ads
showing up in every d*mn thread!!
Mitch a2z
Hear! Hear! I just went through 5 in a row, and they're giving me a headache.
Now I have no desire to buy anything MK. I'd rather buy Performance Fleece!
(at least Old Navy has Marcus to offer. . .)
Michelle ;)
Joan Reynolds
>
> we could HOPE mary kay!! ;)
>
> beth
> who is tired of the thinly veiled MK ads
> showing up in every d*mn thread!!
Here Here!! The Mary Kay reps have been hanging out in cyberspace for
years using any thread on any internet newsgroup or messageboard into
virtually-free advertising space for their own commercial gain. I hate
this practice the same way I hate any other spam. Jeers to Mary Kay. If
I wanted Mary Kay products (which I DON'T) I would seek out one of their
reps. I would guess this sort of obnoxious solicitation alienates more
potential customers than attracts.
PaganGrrl9
preferences, but out and out ads) in all of the "personal use" type threads
will never get my business, so they are really just cutting off their well
powdered noses to spite their faces.
Kristina
Catherine Nicole Lee
On 20 Dec 1998, Rachel Chen wrote:
>
> Cover Girl doesn't seem to be doing too well. They've been pulled out of
> Singapore altogether, along with Almay.
> --
> Rachel
Are you sure? where did you get the news from?
Rachel Chen
Catherine Nicole Lee <art6...@leonis.nus.edu.sg> wrote in article
<Pine.SGI.4.02.98122...@leonis.nus.edu.sg>...
> > Cover Girl doesn't seem to be doing too well. They've been pulled out
of
> > Singapore altogether, along with Almay.
> Are you sure? where did you get the news from?
Well, CG is nowhere to be found in Singapore, as is Almay.
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Rachel