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k.how...@ntlworld.com

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Mar 16, 2002, 12:11:49 PM3/16/02
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I am looking at the MAC web-site compiling an order and feel that I
might need a foundation brush having never used one before ... has
anyone used/seen the MAC one?

I don't use a lot of foundation - just some around areas where shadows
tend to fall due to the gravity that comes with age ... not to mention
that I live in Cambridge where it was discovered ... sigh ... so I
generally just do a few swipes around the sides of my mouth and up to
the nostrils blending out ... if that makes any sense ... do I
actually need a foundation brush .....


Maladicta1

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Mar 16, 2002, 12:35:51 PM3/16/02
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> do I
>actually need a foundation brush .....

Yes.

Stevie

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Mar 16, 2002, 2:42:12 PM3/16/02
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Get the brush... and get it from like PX or Dorf or something in that
shape!
;-)
Stevie
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Maladicta1

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Mar 16, 2002, 3:19:11 PM3/16/02
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Stevie who knows all...aren't they all the same shape--kind of oval shaped like
a blusher brush?

Stevie

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Mar 16, 2002, 3:40:20 PM3/16/02
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Actually I have both. The Dorf is a bit more hexagonally shaped on the
sides. Dorf is the actual creator of this brush and kicks herself that she
didn't patent it. Anyway.. the brush is my fave and the tapering on the
sides makes it easier to get into the nose area and push the foundation into
the skin a bit.. One doesn't get the splaying of bristles quite so much!
;-)
Funny Maladicta.. I wish I knew *all*.... it would make life so much
easier..
less mistakes.. but then again.. mistakes is how we learn
;-)
Stevie

maidm

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Mar 16, 2002, 5:13:46 PM3/16/02
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k.how...@ntlworld.com wrote on 3/16/02 9:11 AM:


I just bought a MAC foundation brush last weekend and had the MA show me how
to use it. She demonstrated on half of my face and then I did the other
half. Then I went home and used it to apply foundation before going out
dancing that night. It is really fantastic and the application couldn't be
any easier. I found it to be at least as fast as using fingers or a sponge,
and uses only the tiniest amount of product. If I need to build up
coverage, like around my nose, it's easy to do without feeling like I'm
wiping off what I had put on the first time. I never wear foundation
because I hate the way it feels, but this application method seems to almost
push the foundation into my skin, so my face looks and feels like it has
perfect skin.

Yes, you need a foundation brush!

I-Wei

KMS

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Mar 16, 2002, 6:53:43 PM3/16/02
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k.how...@ntlworld.com wrote:

> so I
> generally just do a few swipes around the sides of my mouth and up to
> the nostrils blending out ... if that makes any sense ... do I
> actually need a foundation brush .....


Absolutely! A foundation brush will give you such nice, even coverage in that
area and will really help you blend it out. Once you get the technique down, you
will wonder how you ever lived without one! I can't comment on the MAC brush
because I haven't tried it. I use and am insanely happy with the one from WTF.

-KMS

Jean

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Mar 16, 2002, 7:09:49 PM3/16/02
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KMS,
Can you describe how you use it? I did buy one from WTF, and I'm not sure if I'm
doing it correctly.

Thanks~
Jean

EMiriamD

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Mar 16, 2002, 10:15:16 PM3/16/02
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>I can't comment on the MAC brush
>because I haven't tried it.

On the recommendation of our own Diane (beigetoo), I went ahead and got the MAC
foundation brush and I'm slowly getting the hang of it. It's very flexible and
the shape works beautifully for both good coverage and also getting into
corners.

EMiriamD

"I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions."
Lillian Hellman to House Un-American Activities Committee (1952)

Sarah

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Mar 16, 2002, 11:12:14 PM3/16/02
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I love the MAC foundation brush. It works with many different types
of foundation too. Cream blush goes on nicely with this brush.

Michele317

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Mar 16, 2002, 11:17:47 PM3/16/02
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> Actually I have both. The Dorf is a bit more hexagonally shaped on the
>sides. Dorf is the actual creator of this brush and kicks herself that she
>didn't patent it.

how would you patent a brush?

Maladicta1

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Mar 16, 2002, 11:38:12 PM3/16/02
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You'd apply for a design patent--the three criteria, IIRC, are uniqueness,
non-obviousness and usefulness. The design would have to be really different
from what's out there.

AJ

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Mar 17, 2002, 12:11:13 AM3/17/02
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Put a picture of it up on your website?

--AJ


Sarah

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Mar 17, 2002, 12:23:10 AM3/17/02
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>> how would you patent a brush?
>
>Put a picture of it up on your website?
>

Now that's funny!

k.how...@ntlworld.com

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Mar 17, 2002, 5:57:46 AM3/17/02
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:42:12 -0800, "Stevie"
<kick...@mindspring.combat> wrote:

> Get the brush... and get it from like PX or Dorf or something in that
>shape!
>;-)
>Stevie

all right, all right ... I will get one ... I can order the Paula Dorf
one from SpaceNK, it is shown in one of the catalogues ...

you must forgive my appalling ignorance but once I have it, what do I
do with it? I can imagine using a brush to apply something like
Studio Fix but what about liquid foundations? surely one does not put
it on the brush first?
foundation onto face and then fluttered out and smoothed with the
brush?

Kim
(who think she sits here reading this group FAR too much)


squoval

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Mar 17, 2002, 6:31:15 AM3/17/02
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I own the Dorf, Trish, and MAC. Out of these three my favorite is
definitely MAC's. Not too floppy like the Trish. Not too big like
Paula Dorf's. I would go on but I'm lazy... :)

squoval

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Mar 17, 2002, 6:47:39 AM3/17/02
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Kim,

What I do is put the foundation on the back of my hand (the non-brush
holding one of course!). Then dip ONLY the tip of the brush into the
foundation. Otherwise you will pick up way too much and it will not
work well at all. Use the brush in a stippling fashion (using small
strokes, sort of like making dots) on your face. Don't do long
strokes like you are painting a fence. This will make it look
streaky. On most parts of my face, I use downward strokes. If you
want more coverage on certain spots, use the brush to "dot on" more
foundation. Like you would a concealer. If you instead brush over
those spots, you will most likely wipe off the foundation.

Well, that's what I do. I guess other people have different methods.
I would draw pictures for you but I don't think ASCII art is quite
that advanced!

Janice Sadowski

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Mar 17, 2002, 7:02:07 AM3/17/02
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:42:12 -0800, "Stevie"
<kick...@mindspring.combat> wrote:

> Get the brush... and get it from like PX or Dorf or something in that
>shape!

I have the Px foundation brush, and it's wonderful. It does soak up a
lot of foundation, though.

Janice

KMS

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Mar 17, 2002, 9:40:43 AM3/17/02
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Jean wrote:

> KMS,
> Can you describe how you use it? I did buy one from WTF, and I'm not sure if I'm
> doing it correctly.


Argh, I am fairly useless when it comes to describing stuff like this but maybe
someone will help me out! Basically I either squirt/dab a small amount of
foundation directly on the brush *or* I dot a small amount on my face on the
area that I want to cover. Then, holding the brush about a third of the way up
from the bristles (this may be a personal preference), I use the brush to blend
the stuff out in all directions. Any areas that don't look even, I just keep
swiping over them from several different directions until the coverage smooths
out. Any areas that seem to need more coverage, I just repeat the process with a
tiny bit more product.

I have a feeling this was supremely unhelpful! I can demonstrate it a lot more
easily than I can describe it, unfortunately. But basically, I feel the key is
to use a very small amount of product (you can always add more) and to work in
several different directions - not just back and forth but up, down, diagonal,
etc. That seems to eliminate the problem of brush marks and streaking, at least
for me. It all sounds like a lot of work but I can apply foundation *much*
faster with a makeup brush than I can with my fingers or a sponge.

-KMS

val189

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Mar 17, 2002, 10:58:13 AM3/17/02
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so my face looks and feels like it has
> perfect skin.


...you are very persuasive....that's all I needed to hear.
Val

beigetoo

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:42:32 AM3/17/02
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the MAC foundation brush is the best, IMO. get it!

bt

beigetoo

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:43:22 AM3/17/02
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In article <B8B90399.2AF6C%ma...@cts.kom>, maidm <ma...@cts.kom> wrote:

> I never wear foundation
> because I hate the way it feels, but this application method seems to almost
> push the foundation into my skin, so my face looks and feels like it has
> perfect skin.

the very same foundation brush (MAC 190) I used to put foundation on
you for New Year's Eve!

bt

beigetoo

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:44:06 AM3/17/02
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In article <20020316221516...@mb-fx.aol.com>, EMiriamD
<emir...@aol.com> wrote:

> On the recommendation of our own Diane (beigetoo), I went ahead and got the
> MAC
> foundation brush and I'm slowly getting the hang of it. It's very flexible
> and
> the shape works beautifully for both good coverage and also getting into
> corners.

yay! I'm happy to hear it's working for you now. I got the rec from our
own o3!

bt

Blushun

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:57:33 AM3/17/02
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"beigetoo" wrote

> the MAC foundation brush is the best, IMO. get it!

I can't say 'it's the best' as it's the only one I've used, but I love mine!

Blushun

--
"The best way of avenging thyself is not to become like the wrong doer." -
Marcus Aurelius


Suz

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Mar 17, 2002, 8:46:37 PM3/17/02
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This foundation brush sounds great. How does it compare to using a sponge? I
have the LM sponge and use it for her foundation only. It soaks up a lot of
product IMO. I use my fingers for other foundations b/c the sponge doesn't
seem to work so well with other products. Hope my question's not diverting
the thread too much.

Suzanne

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EMiriamD

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:15:11 PM3/17/02
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>yay! I'm happy to hear it's working for you now. I got the rec from our
>own o3!

Well, that's why we all love a.f.!

Today I used the brush with Almay Amazing Lasting Foundation and it worked like
the proverbial charm--terrific coverage! I'm liking working this brush more
and more. I only wish I didn't have to clean it but using Brush Off in between
major cleansings seems to do the trick.

(BTW, this is one helluva a foundation--thanks to everyone who's ever
recommended it.)

Tracy Cramer

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Mar 18, 2002, 11:44:57 AM3/18/02
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On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:46:37 -0500, "Suz" <suz...@mqnet.com> wrote:

>This foundation brush sounds great. How does it compare to using a sponge? I
>have the LM sponge and use it for her foundation only. It soaks up a lot of
>product IMO. I use my fingers for other foundations b/c the sponge doesn't
>seem to work so well with other products. Hope my question's not diverting
>the thread too much.

I don't use the MAC foundation brush, but I use the small Px brush (that was
only available in their travel brush kit). I was converted I guess when I had my
Px makeover done before Christmas and the MA used the brush to apply foundation.
I'd heard about it, but thought I preferred using a sponge.

Jessie (the MA) demonstrated why she uses a brush. On a mirror, she swiped some
foundation with her finger and showed how that resulted in uneven coverage.
Then, she showed how the sponge works -- it can give good coverage, but a sponge
will soak up 30% I think of your foundation, which is a lot of lost product.
Then she showed how the brush gave good, even coverage, with little lost
product.

I've never used the LM foundation, but I use this foundation brush for all my
liquid foundations and think it gives me excellent coverage and even
application. I like the small size of this particular brush because I can do a
little at a time and I have a rather angular, small face so this is a good fit
for me. Rather than stipple the foundation on, I tend to "paint" it on using
small strokes. IMO, experimenting is the key here -- what works for one person
might not work for another, so only you can decide whether a foundation brush
(and whichever application method you use) will give you the results you want.

Tracy

Michele317

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Mar 19, 2002, 12:30:55 PM3/19/02
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right... but what i meant is, every line has a foundation brush, and i can't
imagine that the first one made was so different from all the others that it
would have been a patentable concept. a new item doesn't need to be all that
different from a patented item to allow them both to exist in the market,
legally speaking... i don't think that even if dorf had patented her brush that
other companies wouldn't have made similar ones without violating her patent.

Maladicta1

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Mar 19, 2002, 12:45:04 PM3/19/02
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>
>right... but what i meant is, every line has a foundation brush, and i can't
>imagine that the first one made was so different from all the others that it
>would have been a patentable concept. a new item doesn't need to be all that
>different from a patented item to allow them both to exist in the market,
>legally speaking... i don't think that even if dorf had patented her brush
>that
>other companies wouldn't have made similar ones without violating her patent.
>

So what you're really asking is, why would the shape of her brush be
patentable? To which I say: I dunno.

halfdusthalfdeity

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Mar 19, 2002, 10:15:45 PM3/19/02
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I just bought the MAC brush a few weeks ago. My thought is that it's
totally a luxury item.

I like that it gives me more even coverage than using my fingers or a
dry sponge. But using a wet sponge works just as well.

You'll probably be like me and just buy it out of curiosity!... ;)

belinda

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Mar 20, 2002, 5:52:38 AM3/20/02
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This might sound very naive, but never having clapped eyes on a
foundation brush before, would an artist's brush work just the same? I
mean, what kind of texture are the bristles? I am curious about trying
a brush but not curious enough to spend a small fortune! I have
several top quality artists brushes already and isn't putting makeup
on just like painting a portrait? ;-)

Belinda

Maladicta1

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:23:44 AM3/20/02
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>This might sound very naive, but never having clapped eyes on a
>foundation brush before, would an artist's brush work just the same?

Yes.

>I mean, what kind of texture are the bristles?

You want taklon or soft nylon although a mixture of nylon and sable is nice,
too.

Sizewise, you want something that's either 3/4-in or one inch. That refers to
the width of the ferrule base. (The ferrule is the piece of metal that attaches
the bristles to the handle.)

Stylewise, look for something known as a mop or oval wash.

e.g.:

http://www.misterart.com/store/view.cfm?cat_id=87&group_id=1441&store=001

You may have to cut down the handle.

Maladicta1

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:26:53 AM3/20/02
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Whoops, I forgot.

Sometimes art supply brushes have a fixative to hold their shape. This washes
right out. If what you're buying is a watercolor brush, the bristles will be
soft and flexible. With the exception of sable brushes, brushes for oils and
acrylics tend to be stiffer and are less suitable for makeup application.

Belinda

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Mar 21, 2002, 1:59:05 AM3/21/02
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Thanks so much for that reply! Very interesting indeed...

Belinda


Mary Seldin

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Mar 26, 2002, 11:11:27 PM3/26/02
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I use Trish's foundation brush - takes a few times to get comfortable with
it, but it gives a great, even finish. My problem with sponges is that so
much foundation gets absorbed/lost in the sponge.

mjseldin


SoOeOoEoO

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Mar 27, 2002, 1:22:04 AM3/27/02
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the other day, i was at the mall just when it opened, and i saw the smashbox ma
applying his foundation with a foundation brush (i'm guessing it was from
smashbox?) anyway, not that this helps much, but fwiw, his skin looked great.
=)
-Nadri-

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