Surrealist Music
Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo
jca...@eden.com (Joe Castleman) wrote:
>In article <cramsay-1005...@ip-pdx12-05.teleport.com>,
> cra...@teleport.com (Celeste Ramsay) wrote:
>[snip]
>>the only influence that i can see of surrealism in
>>music today is the use of the dream state for creative inspiration. i
>>would say that the best example of this is in the work of the Legendary
>>Pink Dots. in theme, lyrics and music they hold closest to the tennants
>>of surrealism than any band i can think of.
>
>I'd go along with this... I had always made this Legendary Pink Dots
>comparison after I became more familiar with surrealism. (I don't know a lot
>about Laurie Anderson...)
>
>>most of the 'noize' bands i would trace to dada
>>more than to surrealism. not to mention the use of sampling in music
>>being a direct spin-off os the age-old collage technique that the dadaist
>>and surrealist were so fond of.
>
>Here I would compare the "noise" bands (Einsturzende Neubauten, SPK, et al.)
>to the Futurists of Italy. The Futurists (notably Luigi Russolo) had some
>pretty well-developed ideas about music. Russolo published a manifesto called
>"The Art of Noise" which I'm sure is where the band takes its name from
>(although I certainly wouldn't describe them as noisy, but perhaps more in the
>spirit of Dadaism... same goes for Yello). The Futurists were more involved
>in music than the Dadaists or Surrealists (in fact I've never uncovered any
>reference to any composers/musicians directly or even indirectly affiliated
>with the original Surrealist movement).
>
>Russolo constructed a number of devices which were aptly named
>"noise-intoners" and his compositions reflected the Futurist themes of
>machinery, motion, and speed. Russolo's ideas were pretty far-reaching, as he
>proposed that any sound could and should be incorporated into the musical
>vocabulary.
>
>As for the Futurists in general: a highly interesting bunch, though one has
>to wonder about some of the Futurist ideas, such as war being the grand
>expression of the mechanical age, or that war is the world's only hygiene.
>(the dark side of my sense of humor got the best of me when I heard that one--
>I guffawed out loud in class; the professor did not share my amusement).
>Unfortunately there are also a few ties between Futurism and Italian Fascism,
>although Futurism itself seems to more closely represent (violent) anarchism,
>at least on paper. Nevertheless I will not deny that the Futurists advanced a
>lot of interesting ideas.
>
>Closely related to Futurism is Constructivism, aka Russian Futurism. This
>movement was also fascinated by machines and energy. However the
>Construcivists had, for a time, a more symbiotic relationship with the State.
> A good (albeit non-musical) example of the form is the film _Man with the
>Movie Camera_ directed by Dziga Vertov. Also this sort of imagery turned up
>on the album cover of _The Man-Machine_ by Kraftwerk which is directly
>patterned after Constructivist design techniques.
>
>See _Futurism_ by Caroline Tisdall & Angelo
>Bozzolla for more info. (I may regret saying this, but Boyd Rice sort of
>seems like a midpoint between Futurism and Dadaism, if you're familiar with
>him).
>
>>Celeste Ramsay -------- cra...@teleport.com
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>
>
>---Joe Castleman
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> jca...@eden.com
> Austin, Texas U.S.A.
You dumb fucks. You wouldn't know DADA/SURREALIST music
if it bit you on the ass.
Open your fucking EYES. Lift a fucking FINGER. Go back to SLEEP.
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Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo
stephen allcroft <ste...@congress.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article: <4oj11m$q...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Zoogz Rift--The Liquid
>[whatever liquid he's is I doubt he's drinkable] ejaculated:
>
>> Open your fucking EYES. Lift a fucking FINGER. Go back to SLEEP.
>
>
><!we're letting those damn Americans see the coding for sarcasm beacuse
>otherwise they fail to understand it, like irony or jokes or anything
>that wasn't invented there.>
>
>Oh! Of course, you must be the mighty prophet of all that is surreal.
First of all, I don't know why I would even bother to answer some
stupid post that was written with a British accent, but I'm in a good
mood today and will indulge you this one time.
>
>After all, you spend your spare time on IRC going on about Wrestling
>which is, as we know, the USA's supreme contribution to surrealist
>drama.
And what's yours---Benny Hill???
Wrestling is an intelligent man's sport, which is why nobody in England
gets it. You're too busy with your scones and bowlers and tea and
crumpets.
>
>Ireland produced Beckett,
Sam Beckett couldn't write a play on his best drunken night. That
sissy thought that sticking a microphone on a scrap heap was ART,
and that Waiting For Godot was some Shakespearian masterpiece.
I've seen more avant-garde DRAMA from Beavis & Butt-Head!
>France produced Genet,
France---need I say more? At least Francis Picabia knew how to
speak English! Andre Breton was the dumbest buffoon to write
a line of poetry.
>Hungary
>produced Ionesco
One of my ex-drummers was Hungarian, so I won't complain about them.
They also have a saying I like, which, translated into English, reads
"The lazy tires twice as much." I like that.
>and the USA collectively came up with WWF.
Some credit there should go to the Irish, I would think! ;)
But there you go attacking pro wrestling again, you dumb, shrivelled up,
scone-sucking LITTLE BEN!
>
>Obviously, your deep insight into the human condition of men with
>inferiority complexes and masks trying to tear at each others genitals
>in a boxing wring must make you Breton's spiritual heir and the arbiter
>of all things surreal.
FUCK the human condition.
FUCK people's genitals.
FUCK ANDRE BRETON, THE MOST BORING IDIOT ON EARTH,
and FUCK SURREALISM.
SURREALISM IS STUPID. It doesn't even make any sense!!!
(except to the British, of course...ha ha...)
>
>I'm sorry we have so insulted you
Well, at least you have enough class to apologize. By the way,
Hulk Hogan could have kicked Winston Churchill's ASS!
Uh, I mean ARSE. I forgot that you limeys don't even speak
good English know to how. Pip pip, cheerio, and FUCK YOU!
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!!!!
>by not discussing the last bout
>between mighty lemon cup cake and the great corn dog
I think you know where you can put that corn dog, David Bowie...
>in terms of the
>revolutionary consciousness shift you got when the great corn dog's
>codpeice came off and there wasn't a gigantic snack on a stick where his
>wedding tackle should have been.
Hell, even Viv Stanshall could've whupped YOUR sorry butt!
>
>You must be more surreal than us. You appreciate WWF, we like art,
>poetry and music.
I rest my case. Any brainless monkey can create art, most poetry is
boring masturbation, and music, by it's original definition, doesn't even
exist anymore. At least in wrestling, we get to watch people get
maimed, crippled, and devistated!
>Some of us see these as an engine for revolutionary
>change in the individual and society.
LOL---what a crock of holy horseshit! What do you do--sit in
the dark in a closet with a flashlight and jerk off to Richard
Huelsenbeck and Alfred Jarry? "You're dumber than the dumbest
jackass!" --Walter Huston, THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA
MADRE
>You like watching costumed men
>cuddling and rolling around a canvas for an hour or so.
No. Wrong. I like watching costumed men BEAT THE LIVING
CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER, breaking each other's bones,
cutting their skin, setting each other on fire, torturing and humiliating
each other, making each other cry in defeat, etc.
Kind of like what I'm doing to YOU right now! :)
P.S. did I mention---BLIMEY! JOLLY GOOD SHOW!
>
>Again my apologies for wasting your time,
Just send cash. None of that fake "pound and shilling" crap, either,
Arthur Treacher. I want GOOD, SOLID AMERICAN DOLLARS.
> if we had not have been here, you
>could have spent some minutes cataloguing your hard video cassettes
>of the invincible hairy dundee cake encountering jean-paul the perfumed
>sailor in front of 45,765 grannies on hrt at shea stadium.
Now THERE'S surrealism! :P You're right--that was spoken just
like Ionesco would have said it. (sigh) Very dreamlike...ha ha...
>Instead you
>had to waste a whole hour having to learn how to use someone's web browser
>to post a badly written-badly spelled insult.
></sarcasm>
Well, nyah nyah nyah to you too. Your mother wears army boots!
So there!
I knew we should have attacked England when we had the chance,
at the end of WWII ! We could have turned it into a garbage dump,
and then Philadelphia would be a cleaner city, today! :)
>
>PS I'm emailing this to you as well even though you don't have
>a sufficent attention span to comprehend sentence with modifiers or sub
>clauses.
>
>--
>Stephen Allcroft
>
>
>
What kind of wussy, effeminate name is STEPHEN? You should
change your name to BILL or BOB or JOHN---something less
offensive. Maybe everybody wouldn't hate you as much.
Just trying to help.
Steve Tiszenkel
>What kind of wussy, effeminate name is STEPHEN? You should
>change your name to BILL or BOB or JOHN---something less
>offensive. Maybe everybody wouldn't hate you as much.
>Just trying to help.
Hey -- watch it!
-Stephen
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Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo
pope-...@nwu.edu (Steve Tiszenkel) wrote:
>>What kind of wussy, effeminate name is STEPHEN? You should
>>change your name to BILL or BOB or JOHN---something less
>>offensive. Maybe everybody wouldn't hate you as much.
>
>>Just trying to help.
>
>
>-Stephen
>
>--
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>Northwestern University, Evanston, IL
>stone...@nwu.edu, kil...@nwu.edu, spar...@nwu.edu
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Oops--oh, uh, I mean, I didn't mean YOU, Stephen. I meant some
OTHER idiot... ;)
Stephen is a very nice name. If I had another son, I would want to
name him Stephen........
John Searcy
Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo <moam...@primenet.com> wrote:
>What kind of wussy, effeminate name is STEPHEN? You should
>change your name to BILL or BOB or JOHN---something less
>offensive. Maybe everybody wouldn't hate you as much.
HAH! I WIN!
JOHN
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>
>stephen allcroft wrote:
...[elsewhere]...
You know, I'm really not sure who's the winner of this little exchange!
Lou Duchez
In article <4p2hq2$q...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>,
Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo <moam...@primenet.com> wrote:
> Stephen is a very nice name. If I had another son, I would want to
> name him Stephen........
If I ever have a son, I want to name him Colt.
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Why, OUR VAST VIEWING PUBLIC, of course! ;)
Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo
Mark Ray <u942...@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Oops--oh, uh, I mean, I didn't mean YOU, Stephen. I meant some
>> OTHER idiot... ;)
>>
>> name him Stephen........
>
>
>:-)
>
On the other hand, MARK is a about as pathetic a name as I've ever
heard! So THERE!
"Life is WAY too short to waste it conforming to a stupid world." ---ZR
Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo
Mark Ray <u942...@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
>On 9 Jun 1996, Zoogz Rift--The Liquid Moamo wrote:
>> On the other hand, MARK is a about as pathetic a name as I've ever
>> heard! So THERE!
>
I'm broken-hearted! :)
>Are you really 13, as you seem to be from
>your persistent use of capitals and repeated crossposts to groups that
>are nothing to do with the topic?
>
Good logic there, ol Marky, ol boy! :P~~~
Are YOU really as CLUELESS as you appear? :)
>I bet you won't reply anyway, as you don't seem to read this group.
>
>Znex.
So far, other than my own posts, there hasn't been a damn thing posted
in alt.surrealism worth reading!
But you'll never know that, because you've kill-filed me! LOL
You pompous, queen-humping, dumbass! :)
"Water can imply a coolness. But there's a sensuality to it."
---Teri Hatcher, interview in TV GUIDE
"Life is WAY too short to waste it conforming to a stupid world." ---ZR
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>
>: >Consider yourself kill-filed.
>: \\\||||///
>: I'm broken-hearted! -- : BLAM ) --
>: ///||||\\\
>
>Sorry, Zoogz, I just couldn't let you keep this one.
>
>: Good logic there, ol Marky, ol boy! :P~~~
>
> Awww. At last, a smiley even I can't
> bring myself to explode...
>
>: You pompous, queen-humping, dumbass! :)
>
> This one may live also. Special dispensation.
>
>Possibly Pontifette Meg
>
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> But MY NEWSGROUP alt.foot.fat-free LIVES!
>Hear the pitter-patter! Thrill to the podiatry! While it lasts!
>
Well HELL---TWO OUT OF THREE AIN'T BAD!!! ;)
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> >> On the other hand, MARK is a about as pathetic a name as I've ever
> >> heard! So THERE!
> >
> >Consider yourself kill-filed.
>
> I'm broken-hearted! :)
>
> >Are you really 13, as you seem to be from
> >your persistent use of capitals and repeated crossposts to groups that
> >are nothing to do with the topic?
> >
>
>
>
> >I bet you won't reply anyway, as you don't seem to read this group.
> >
> >Znex.
>
> So far, other than my own posts, there hasn't been a damn thing posted
> in alt.surrealism worth reading!
>
> But you'll never know that, because you've kill-filed me! LOL
>
>
Karl Malden's Nose,
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Art is the most utilitarian of all things in that it delivers us from
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