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Dec 26, 2009, 8:03:57 AM12/26/09

Budikka666 now loveless, explains how atheism ruined her relationship :
> On Dec 26, 2:28 am, "hypati...@comcast.net" <hypati...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Alt.Atheism Atheist Questions #1 & #2 (for atheists only)
>>
>> #1. What experiences have various atheists in alt.atheism
>> had when they mentioned that they were an atheist to
>> different people - family, friends, former religious leaders,
>> co-workers, etc?
>
> It typically never comes up in conversation in my personal
> experience. Most of the people with whom I've interacted are not that
> strongly religious (to the point where they spout off about it) or
> they have the sense to realize that religion or lack of same is a very
> personal thing and nothing to do with anyone else.

Bukakke acknowledges that although the majority in our
majority religious societies are religious, they are not dogmatic
about it and do not force their views down peoples throats, as the
militant atheist extremists Bukakke supports do:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

> My family never were big church goers to begin with
> so it was never a family issue
> either.

Contrast that general pattern of tolerance of atheists by
theists that Bukakke describes with the horrendous
persecution of theists in EVERY atheist regime:

They did just what the modern militant atheists advocate;

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.

- John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodiaï¿½s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Potï¿½s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

> The only time it ever did seem important was in a relationship I had
> where I would have actually married my SO, but I would have been
> required to give up atheism and adopt Christianity in order for that
> to happen! My position was that my SO could enjoy religion, and any
> children would believe or not as *they* chose. My SO wasn't so
> accommodating, which pretty much told me that the relationship wasn't
> going anywhere useful, so it ended as a viable partnership, although
> it continued as a friendship until I left the area.
>
> It was very educational about how closed-minded the theists can be.

Based on a sample size of ONE, just because you got dumped? B^D

You have described above a pattern of tolerance of your atheism
by the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS society;

"Most of the people with whom I've interacted are not that
strongly religious (to the point where they spout off about it) or
they have the sense to realize that religion or lack of same is a very
personal thing and nothing to do with anyone else. "

So the only person who rejected you because of your atheism
was your Sensible Other!

Clearly she understood what we have seen in this NG, that it
makes you a rabid ranting hate filled lying bitch bitch.. and
they sensibly bailed on you.

>
>> #2. What caused you to make the final decision/come to
>> the realization that you are an atheist?
>
> The bare fact of no facts! I read a *lot* in my teen years about all
> kinds of religious and fringe beliefs and after adequate research came
> to the conclusion that only atheism is tenable.

Clearly your investigation was inadequate.

Agnosticism is a rational alternative.. but you are blinded
by your self imposed blinkers, your dogmatism, and your
fanatical desire to place your atheist ideology before Love.

How Sad I know many theists in mixed religious marriages who
have worked out compromises, after all they all worship the
same Great Spirit, just in culturally different ways... but as
you describe it, atheism is a stumbling block to being with
your Sensible Other.

Another tragic victim of the empty sub branch of Nihilism that is
atheism.. like most of the victims of the EVERY atheist state,
atheism doomed you to emptiness and desolation:

http://chngyaohong.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/wengnaiqiang-tiananmen.jpg

> I'm not an agnostic
> because I disagree that we can't draw a conclusion one way or the
> other.

Oh no, we agnostics can draw a conclusion one way or another,
we just say neither theism nor atheism have been conclusively PROVEN!

You can be a rational agnostic, know that you can't
prove someone loves you, but still believe they do.

You poor illogical atheists miss out on the logical default
agnosticism, which allows much more flexible partnerships than you
have been able to negotiate, is less extreme, less dogmatic,
less rabidly doctrinaire than atheism, and then your lover would not
have dumped you!

Atheism is really stupid.. you sacrifice love for an audience of
hate-filled non-entities in Usenet...

tragic! B^p

> The bottom line for me is evidence and quite clearly the

That is unscientific. The lack of evidence for Dark Matter is
NOT proof that it does NOT exist, you ignorant, irrational moron!

> That leaves only the default "no god" position,

Rubbish, it is a measure of atheist absurdity that they refuse to
acknowledge any ALTERNATIVE viewpoints to their own NARROW BIGOTRY! B^p

only 0.7% of people in the USA self -identify as atheist.

0.9% self identify as agnostics...

yet these arrogant atheists do EXACTLY what she has accused
her Sensible Other of doing.. DENYING THE RIGHT OF OTHERS
to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE .. AS THEY CHOOSE!

YOU RANK HYPOCRITE!!!! B^[

By denying the right of us agnostics to say "Atheists cannot
prove there is no god" and "Theists cannot conclusively prove
there is" she is doing exactly what EVERY atheist regime in history
has done.. trample on the Freedom of Belief, Thought and Speech
which all the wonderful democracies with MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies allow!

No wonder people distrust and despise the totalitarian tyranny that is
atheism!

> and whilst I do not
> assert categorically that there's no god, I do assert that it seems
> laughably unlikely in the extreme,

What proof do you offer for your opinion?

> and I'm pretty much on the cusp

I hope your batteries don't run down.

> asserting that the monotheistic big three

Assertions without evidence are worthless.
...

>
> Just out of curiosity, why are these questions being asked?

To entrap you with the truth! B^]

> Budikka

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