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Meuriz

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Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.

Mr Karate

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Meuriz wrote in message <19981111113007...@ng104.aol.com>...

Sure, both characters are nice.
They both lend to the gaming world their own qualities and flaws, meaning,
yes, they are pretty much the same.

Although people have been getting sick of Mario recently because the
more popular games are getting to be similar, like Mega Man's sequels.
Also, that brooklyn/italian accent is a mark for his humiliation.
I'd love to kill every racist that makes fun of Mario for his accent.

- Ryo S

RHONDA ZEIGAFUSE

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I used to be a mario fan.

Brandon michael Hedgehog (I got sick of using the word "the" in my sig)

My quote (I actually created this one my self): No matter tall you are,
you'll always be a big guy (or gal in that matter)


Mr Karate

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RHONDA ZEIGAFUSE wrote in message
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>My quote (I actually created this one my self): No matter tall you are,
>you'll always be a big guy (or gal in that matter)


Wow! Who needs a mushroom when you have a great quote like that?
heh heh
Really, it is a good quote.

- CH

Miles Prower

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On 11 Nov 1998 16:30:07 GMT, meu...@aol.com (Meuriz) reported this
urgency directly to me:

*Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and
he's loved
*them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here
likes Sonic
*and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems
that nearly
*everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.

I like 'em both just fine, although I think after Super Mario World
and after could have been alot more than they are. I liked him in
the old days. I don't really care for Mario 64.
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Mark Palenik

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Meuriz wrote:

> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved

> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic

> and Mario equally,

Yes.

> or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly

> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.

I know. What is wrong with Mario? Wait.......don't answer that, I know what your
going to say anyway. And I'd say something else, but I have a reason not to. Now
I just wish these people would go away who are trying to make me put this funny
white jacket on......

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Mark Palenik

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RHONDA ZEIGAFUSE wrote:

> I used to be a mario fan.

What happened? I've heard people complain that he's fat, he likes pasta a
little too much, his voice has too thick of an accent (which they changed
later), and tht his games are too similar....but....I don't know, I just
defeated any arguments that I could have put up in his defense. Anyway, I
like Mario (maybe it's just left over from when I was four years old, and I
got a Nintendo. I used to LOVE Mario games, watched the TV show, and even
had Nintendo stickers on the wall in my room).

>
>
> Brandon michael Hedgehog (I got sick of using the word "the" in my sig)
>

> My quote (I actually created this one my self): No matter tall you are,
> you'll always be a big guy (or gal in that matter)

What? Do you mean like Mario? In that case, lay off the pasta.

Bahamut Dragons

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Mark Palenik wrote:

> Meuriz wrote:
>
> > Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
> > them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
> > and Mario equally,
>
> Yes.
>
> > or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
> > everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
>
> I know. What is wrong with Mario? Wait.......don't answer that, I know what your
> going to say anyway. And I'd say something else, but I have a reason not to. Now
> I just wish these people would go away who are trying to make me put this funny
> white jacket on......
>

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On 11 Nov 1998 16:30:07 GMT, meu...@aol.com (Meuriz) wrote:

>Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
>them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic

>and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly


>everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.

I don't have anything against Mario. The Mario games are pretty cool,
the cartoons are... well... not bad, and the movie was pretty cool,
also.
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You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
Pac-Man is cool!

On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:53:39 -0600, Mark Palenik
<markp...@sprintmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Meuriz wrote:
>
>> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
>> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
>> and Mario equally,
>

>Yes.


>
>> or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
>> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
>

>I know. What is wrong with Mario? Wait.......don't answer that, I know what your
>going to say anyway. And I'd say something else, but I have a reason not to. Now
>I just wish these people would go away who are trying to make me put this funny
>white jacket on......
>
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>
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Mr Karate

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Fred E. L. wrote in message <364a420b...@nntp.concentric.net>...

>You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
>charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
>Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
>idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
>Pac-Man is cool!


I have the feeling Namco is too busy with other things, such as arcades.
pity though, if Pac Man still lived today, it could possibly be on of the
most long lived characters ever.

- CH

Bahamut Dragons

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"Fred E. L." wrote:

> You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
> charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
> Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
> idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
> Pac-Man is cool!
>

Because Pacman s**ks

Maculation

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Nov 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/12/98
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Hmmm.... Mario's fun but only the orginals like Super Mario Bros 1, 2, and 3
for the NES.
Mario World is better but not by much oddly enough.

>*Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and
>he's loved
>*them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here
>likes Sonic
>*and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems
>that nearly
>*everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.

icky...@hotmail.com

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In article <19981111113007...@ng104.aol.com>,

meu...@aol.com (Meuriz) wrote:
> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
> and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
>

Well, I like Sonic a lot more than I like Mario, but I like Sonic a lot more
than just about everything else, too! ^_^ I do like mario though, I've
enjoyed every Mario game ever made (except Yoshi's Story, which isn't really
a "Mario" game, and the only reason I can say I didn't enjoy it is because I
haven't actually played it ^_-).. I felt the same way about most of the
Mario comics/cartoons as the Sonic ones, they're ..just not my thing. I find
Mario isn't as replayable as Sonic, but he's still cool!

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Howie T. Cat

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Meuriz wrote:

> I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
> and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do.

I like both of them about equally. Can't really say which one I like
better, although I haven't been keeping track of what Mario's been up to
lately.


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Meuriz

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>You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
>charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
>Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
>idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
>Pac-Man is cool!

Funny you should mention that. I also read in an EGM that Namco is
constructing a 3-D Pac-Man game! I saw it, too (I'll give out details if
anyone wants me to). And, for the record, I agree. Pac-Man IS awesome!

JussMe 1

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> I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
> and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do.

I like Mario. He's pretty cool. Don't get me wrong, but I must give my thanks
to Mario because he got me into the gaming world, (along with DuckHunt ^_^).
But after learning about Sonic with the Genesis I got for Christmas that year,
I went crazy. I like Sonic much better than Mario. The only game that I think
was awesome for Mario is, indeed, Mario 64. (probably b cuz it was the first 3D
game I played like that.)
I still won't face the truth, however, that Sonic was influenced BY Mario.
Never. I will NEVER face that fact.

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RazJMastrs

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In article <19981112121046...@ng82.aol.com>, jus...@aol.com
(JussMe 1) writes:

[snip]


>I still won't face the truth, however, that Sonic
>was influenced BY Mario. Never. I will NEVER
>face that fact.

To finally comment on an on-topic subject (yay),
I'd like to say that I personally don't believe that
Sonic was based on Mario. Just as Mario has
inspired many similar platformers, Sonic pushed
the video gaming industry into the speed age. The
unforgettable blue blur also inspired his fair share
of fast-paced platformers, like the recently men-
tioned Jazz Jackrabbit, Aero the Acrobat, and
some other odd game where the main hero had
a huge, red, spiked.. hairstyle. Mario is known for
slower adventures that have a timeless feel. Sonic's
mission is to keep with the times, constantly adapt-
ing to maintain his quick and upbeat image.

There are some similarities, like rings and coins,
but in all honesty, many video games before both
of them (and even afterwards) had things in them
which you could collect. Treasures and items are
just as classic as videogames themselves are.
Sure, you just collected a whole lot of nothing in
pong (other than points in some knockoffs and
bragging rights with any version), but it wasn't long
before video games had other things popping up in
them.

Also.. Pac-Man rules.

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RHONDA ZEIGAFUSE

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Thanks

Brandon michael Hedgehog


Fred E. L.

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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:32:57 -0400, Bahamut Dragons
<thund...@videotron.ca> wrote:

>"Fred E. L." wrote:
>
>> You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
>> charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
>> Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
>> idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
>> Pac-Man is cool!
>>

>> On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:53:39 -0600, Mark Palenik
>> <markp...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >

>> >Meuriz wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved

>> >> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
>> >> and Mario equally,
>> >
>> >Yes.


>> >
>> >> or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
>> >> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
>> >

>> >I know. What is wrong with Mario? Wait.......don't answer that, I know what your
>> >going to say anyway. And I'd say something else, but I have a reason not to. Now
>> >I just wish these people would go away who are trying to make me put this funny
>> >white jacket on......
>> >
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>> >
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>Because Pacman s**ks

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On 12 Nov 1998 16:30:42 GMT, meu...@aol.com (Meuriz) wrote:

>>You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
>>charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
>>Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
>>idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
>>Pac-Man is cool!
>

>Funny you should mention that. I also read in an EGM that Namco is
>constructing a 3-D Pac-Man game! I saw it, too (I'll give out details if
>anyone wants me to). And, for the record, I agree. Pac-Man IS awesome!

3-D Pac-Man game? Cool! What's it supposed to be like?

Fred E. L.

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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:57:28 GMT, icky...@hotmail.com wrote:

>In article <19981111113007...@ng104.aol.com>,


> meu...@aol.com (Meuriz) wrote:
>> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
>> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic

>> and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly


>> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
>>
>

>Well, I like Sonic a lot more than I like Mario, but I like Sonic a lot more
>than just about everything else, too! ^_^ I do like mario though, I've
>enjoyed every Mario game ever made (except Yoshi's Story, which isn't really
>a "Mario" game, and the only reason I can say I didn't enjoy it is because I
>haven't actually played it ^_-).. I felt the same way about most of the
>Mario comics/cartoons as the Sonic ones, they're ..just not my thing. I find
>Mario isn't as replayable as Sonic, but he's still cool!
>
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I didn't know they made Mario comics.

Fred E. L.

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I think it's okay for a game to be "influenced" by another game.
That's how games get good! As long as it isn't an exact COPY, you
won't hear any complaints from me.

On 12 Nov 1998 17:52:11 GMT, razjm...@aol.combo.meal (RazJMastrs)
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Raz, Rote ^_^:

>To finally comment on an on-topic subject (yay),
>I'd like to say that I personally don't believe that
>Sonic was based on Mario.

Unfortunately, it's true. Naka said it himself two years ago... three. (I was
in 6th grade when I read it, so yea, three years ago.) It was something about
celabrating Sonic's 5th? And in a magazine, I can't remember which one, but in
a magazine, it said something about Naka being inspired by Mario, and that he
did have the Sonic game be based a lot like Mario, which after seeing Sonic 1
for the first time AFTER playing Mario 1, it sort of did have a lot in common
with Mario.
Monitors: The ? Blocks from Mario.
Invincibility star: The star shield monitor from Sonic.
Killing a bad guy: By jumping on them.
Points/Health: Coins/Rings.
Mario one level ending: Take down the flag and into the castle.
All Sonic level endings: Spin around some flag like post and leave off screen.

If Naka admit it, (and if he did, [and he created Sonic] it must be true) then
he ain't lying. But I will never accept that fact.

M StealthA

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>If Naka admit it, (and if he did, [and he created Sonic] it must be true)
>then
>he ain't lying. But I will never accept that fact.
>
>

dont ask me why i felt like posting it, i just did :P
but naka didnt create sonic
it was some other guy, i keep forgetting his name.. i think it starts with a o
anyway, naka only contributed a little to the ideas. he IS the programmer
though

RazJMastrs

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In article <19981112223618...@ng147.aol.com>, jus...@aol.com
(Swifty) writes:

[snipped message about Sonic based on Mario]

>Monitors: The ? Blocks from Mario.
>Invincibility star: The star shield monitor
>from Sonic.
>Killing a bad guy: By jumping on them.
>Points/Health: Coins/Rings.
>Mario one level ending: Take down the
>flag and into the castle.
>All Sonic level endings: Spin around some
>flag like post and leave off screen.

It isn't really a sad thing that Sonic was some-
what inspired by Mario, but in all honesty, you
really can't say that he was heavily based on
him.. like my last message said, some of the
similarities are very standard. In many action
games, you collect things. For instance, in
Hudson's Adventure Island (which did come
after Mario but before Sonic), you collect fruit
and break power-ups free from eggs. Amongst
these power-ups is a skateboard, which makes
you go considerably faster, as long as you don't
hurt yourself on the way. Now, there's something
that Mario -didn't- have.. a way to speed up. Was
it taken from Adventure Island? I doubt it.

It's a well-known fact that Mario revolutionized the
video gaming world with the ability to "jump," and
that he's also known for his fondness for mush-
rooms. Why Nintendo has never done a promotion
for Mario including mushroom pizzas from some-
where, I'll never know, but that's beside the point.

Sonic is a platformer, that can't be denied. How-
ever, it's different enough to -not- be considered
a Mario clone/copy, no matter who said it is. If
he was originally intended to just be based en-
tirely on Mario, he would've never been so suc-
cessful, because he wouldn't be anything new.
Yet, he took the world by storm with the speed
that was dubbed "blast processing," his sheer
originality in being a blue, sentient Hedgehog,
and the fun of it all thrown together.

Yes, Sonic gets items from monitors as Mario
gets items from blocks, but you don't see the
blue blur growing upon touching a mushroom..
if he did, Angel Island would've had one helluva
problem when -he- arrived. No, he gets things
like the aforesaid speed-up, rings themselves,
various kinds of shields, something that could
do more hurt than help (although Mario did get
this in SMB2J), and invincibility (which is yet
another thing that definitely isn't exclusive to
Mario -or- Sonic).

It's one thing to accept what someone else has
said for the whole truth, while it's another to take
a moment or two to really think about what they
said and meant.

Meuriz

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>3-D Pac-Man game? Cool! What's it supposed to be like?

Well, he'll still have to avoid ghosts, eat power pellets and different types
of fruit (which act as power-ups) and basically do what he has to do to exit a
level. This 3-D update won't be as simple as the arcade predecessor, though.
It'll have a bright and colorful world, teeming with mazes, puzzles, platforms,
and bosses. Someone thought that it was for the Nintendo 64 (it's for the
PlayStation). That's how good it looks (really!). Pac-Man will be trying out
new activities like flying and swimming, The game will also include the
original arcade game in a 3-D form!

Bahamut Dragons

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"Fred E. L." wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:32:57 -0400, Bahamut Dragons
> <thund...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>

> >"Fred E. L." wrote:
> >
> >> You know, I just rememberd something. Speaking of popular video game
> >> charactors (Sonic, Mario, and Crash Bandicoot), whatever happened to
> >> Pac-Man? Pac-Man's AWESOME (not as cool as Sonic, but you get the
> >> idea). It's been YEARS sinse they ever made a Pac-Man game, why?
> >> Pac-Man is cool!
> >>

> >> On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:53:39 -0600, Mark Palenik
> >> <markp...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >

> >> >Meuriz wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
> >> >> them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes Sonic
> >> >> and Mario equally,
> >> >

> >> >Yes.


> >> >
> >> >> or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that nearly
> >> >> everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
> >> >

> >> >I know. What is wrong with Mario? Wait.......don't answer that, I know what your
> >> >going to say anyway. And I'd say something else, but I have a reason not to. Now
> >> >I just wish these people would go away who are trying to make me put this funny
> >> >white jacket on......
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> > _____
> >> > /-------\Mark Palenik, President of
> >> >|--|+++|--|RAKKON Software Productions
> >> >|--|+++|--|For news on one of the current projects,
> >> >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> >> >Http://sonic2000.cjb.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>

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> >Because Pacman s**ks
> It's okay to have opinions, but it's good to back them up with facts.

I just don't like simple games of the past, even with the add-ons 3D and killer
graphics... Pacman will always be pacman

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On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:00:26 -0400, Bahamut Dragons
<thund...@videotron.ca> wrote:

Some people consider Sonic a simple game from the past. I love old
video games, but that's just me.


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>Because Pacman s**ks

You're afraid of saying "sucks"?

Jose Solano
----------------
Whatever doesn't kill me only Pisses me off!

Zuckuss199

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>If Naka admit it, (and if he did, [and he created Sonic] it must be true)
>then
>he ain't lying. But I will never accept that fact.
>

Seems to me you just did.

JussMe 1

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>If Naka admit it, (and if he did, [and he created Sonic] it must be true)
>then
>he ain't lying. But I will never accept that fact.
>
>
>Seems to me you just did.

No. I didn't. All I did was tell all of you what I read and heard. Doesn't mean
I'm accepting the fact.

Danehog

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>
>Yuji Naka himself said that he's played all of the Mario games and he's loved
>them all (this was in an EGM). I'm just wondering if anybody here likes
>Sonic
>and Mario equally, or at least close, like I do. It kind of seems that

>nearly
>everytime Mario is mentioned, he gets bad-mouthed.
></PRE></HTML>

I don't particualy like the character of Mario(ooh... exciting...) but I
do enjoy the games. Sure, they aren't graphical excetera, excetera, btu they're
classics, and they're fun to play.
And no, I don't wished to be flamed about that statement.

Danehog

SONIC FAN

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> >Because Pacman s**ks

SOCKS????

The Chaos Emerald

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SONIC FAN wrote...
>
>> >Because Pacman s**ks
>
>SOCKS????

Apparently, whenever SONICFAN tries to write any word that ends in "uck" he
must write it with an "o" in the place of the "u"... :P

The Chaos Emerald

Mark Palenik

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SONIC FAN wrote:

> > >Because Pacman s**ks
>
> SOCKS????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is Sonic Fan, anyway. I'm sure he's got to be somebody else on this
news group. I didn't think so when he was posting those stupid stories,
but now................

Mark Palenik

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The Chaos Emerald wrote:

And you're just noticing this now?

The Chaos Emerald

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Mark Palenik wrote...

>
>
>The Chaos Emerald wrote:
>
>> SONIC FAN wrote...
>> >
>> >> >Because Pacman s**ks
>> >
>> >SOCKS????
>>
>> Apparently, whenever SONICFAN tries to write any word that ends in "uck"
he
>> must write it with an "o" in the place of the "u"... :P
>
>And you're just noticing this now?


Well, I thought it was something he had against the word "fuck". But now,
with "suck" becoming "sock"???

The Chaos Emerald

Mark Palenik

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The Chaos Emerald wrote:

He's done that before. And I always thought that he was talking about foot
coverings.

Zuckuss199

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> > >Because Pacman s**ks
>
> SOCKS????

Sonic Fan, didn't you go to teach something at Harvard?

Lupienne

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>Sonic Fan, didn't you go to teach something at Harvard?

He teaches BST...it's supposed to be Business Service Training (or something
like that), however he just taught a load of crap and got fired becaused he
thought it stood for Bull Shit Training :)

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Mark Palenik

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Jeff1089 wrote:

> I HATE Mario, but i like Sonic and Pokemon

Yetch, Pokemon. The game sounds like fun, from what I've heard, but the
TV show is terrible. I've seen every episode (I'm ashamed to admit),
only because I never felt like changing the channel at 7:00 in the
morning when I had been watching TV for about an hour (I do that on
school days so that I can relax a little before school. Sadly, there's
not much good stuff on at that time).

But, I've always liked Mario.

SONIC FAN

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In article <365353E9...@sprintmail.com>, markp...@sprintmail.com
says...

>
>
> Jeff1089 wrote:
>
> > I HATE Mario, but i like Sonic and Pokemon
>
> Yetch, Pokemon. The game sounds like fun, from what I've heard, but the
> TV show is terrible. I've seen every episode (I'm ashamed to admit),
> only because I never felt like changing the channel at 7:00 in the
> morning when I had been watching TV for about an hour (I do that on
> school days so that I can relax a little before school. Sadly, there's
> not much good stuff on at that time).
>
I don't think that Pokemon is terrible. It's not good but it's actually
better than half the crap that's on TV. Probably because it's anime,
which is the best thing about the show IMO. But compared to the shows on
TV today I'd say that it's better than
Mummies Alive!
That Dragon Flyz show
Reruns of Full House
Just about any TV movie
Any MTV generation-x drama
99% of prime-time sitcoms
Psi-factor (a canadian show. It's like the X-files only it sucks)
UH-OH! (canadian games-show type thing produced by YTV. It's like, really
bad. and they should take it off TV and get rid of whoever that Nick
Yahoo guy is, who was also on the really lame YTV show IT'S ALIVE! and
kick him out of the TV business)
Compared to other video game based shows I'd rank it like this
Way below Sonic, Earthworm Jim and the other good ones
I'd put it below the original Super Mario Bros. Super Show but above THE
ADVENTURES OF SUPER MARIO BROS. 3 and Super Mario World. And the worst
video-game based show would have to be Maniac Mansion. They took a good
game and turned it into a really lame sitcom that didn't have anything to
do with the game except for the characters names and they occasionally
mentioned the purple meteor. that socks.

Johnny Wallbank

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>I don't think that Pokemon is terrible. It's not good but it's actually
>better than half the crap that's on TV. Probably because it's anime,
>which is the best thing about the show IMO. But compared to the shows on
>TV today I'd say that it's better than

*Snip 1*

See? You CAN write in proper English? So why don't you even try in
your fan-fics, Sonic Fan? All it does is make us dislike you even
more.

>Psi-factor (a canadian show. It's like the X-files only it sucks)

Wow! A word that's got "uck" at the end! (No cheeky comments now...)

>mentioned the purple meteor. that socks.

No, I take that back...

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SONIC FAN wrote:

> In article <365353E9...@sprintmail.com>, markp...@sprintmail.com
> says...
> >
> >
> > Jeff1089 wrote:
> >
> > > I HATE Mario, but i like Sonic and Pokemon
> >
> > Yetch, Pokemon. The game sounds like fun, from what I've heard, but the
> > TV show is terrible. I've seen every episode (I'm ashamed to admit),
> > only because I never felt like changing the channel at 7:00 in the
> > morning when I had been watching TV for about an hour (I do that on
> > school days so that I can relax a little before school. Sadly, there's
> > not much good stuff on at that time).
> >

> I don't think that Pokemon is terrible. It's not good but it's actually
> better than half the crap that's on TV. Probably because it's anime,
> which is the best thing about the show IMO. But compared to the shows on
> TV today I'd say that it's better than

> Mummies Alive!
> That Dragon Flyz show
> Reruns of Full House
> Just about any TV movie
> Any MTV generation-x drama
> 99% of prime-time sitcoms

> Psi-factor (a canadian show. It's like the X-files only it sucks)

> UH-OH! (canadian games-show type thing produced by YTV. It's like, really
> bad. and they should take it off TV and get rid of whoever that Nick
> Yahoo guy is, who was also on the really lame YTV show IT'S ALIVE! and
> kick him out of the TV business)
> Compared to other video game based shows I'd rank it like this
> Way below Sonic, Earthworm Jim and the other good ones
> I'd put it below the original Super Mario Bros. Super Show but above THE
> ADVENTURES OF SUPER MARIO BROS. 3 and Super Mario World. And the worst
> video-game based show would have to be Maniac Mansion. They took a good
> game and turned it into a really lame sitcom that didn't have anything to
> do with the game except for the characters names and they occasionally

> mentioned the purple meteor. that socks.

So, are you Canadian? Do you speak French? If so, then I understand why
your writing is the way it is (SFR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.......263......1,479).
The show Pokemon looks like it was made for 7 year olds, or other people with
no concept of science or reality (I'm not talking about the elements of
fantasy in the show, I'm talking about the truly stupid things they might do.
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody's hand got stock to a piece of iron
because it was magnetised). Not only that, but every creature in the world is
a pokemon, it seems. What ever happened to plain old animals? I could go on,
but I don't feel like it. And Miyasha, if your reading this, and you really
want me to continue because you don't believe I have anything else to say
about it, tell me to, and I will.

Zuckuss199

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> that socks.
>

Tell me, Sonic Fan, hwy do you have to do that? I mean replace UCK with OCK? Is
it a psychological question or what?

Yasha Rris

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Mark Palenik wrote:

>And Miyasha, if your reading this, and you really
>want me to continue because you don't believe I have anything else to say
>about it, tell me to, and I will.

You know what, Mark, shut the fuck up.
I don't give a damn if you like Pokemon
or not, I don't really like it either. The
truth of the matter is that it WAS made
for seven year olds based off one of
those preppy tamogatchi things. Those
piss me off too. I'm not going to scream
at you for not doing your research,
as I did with sailor moon.
See you have this big problem. You
misconcieve everything. Did you
really think that I was screaming at
you because you were trashing Anime?
No! I was screaming at you because
you're an ignorant bastard. There IS
a difference. Is your head really that
far up your ass that you can't see it?
I don't GIVE a damn about your
opinion no matter if you're agreeing
with me or not. I -DO- give a damn
when you start talking shit about
stuff you ain't ever seen before.
So, if you'd be so kind as to drop
the bullshit and get off the Pokemon
track. If you haven't realized it, this
IS a SONIC newsgroup. Oo. Big
revelation. Why don't you
CONTRIBUTE and talk about
something SONIC related and not
one of your big, science book
fanfic things? Oh, one more thing.
Leave me alone. Continue with
the snide comments and you're
going to regret it.

~Miyasha



Quote of the Month

"After hearing about Mobius' [history] straight
from the guy who created it, and then rejecting
it, I can only [conclude] that Alessandro hates
everything."
--

Question of the Month

WHY Alessandro? WHY?

Lupienne

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>hat socks.
>>
>
>Tell me, Sonic Fan, hwy do you have to do that? I mean replace UCK with OCK?
>Is
>it a psychological question or what?
>
>Jose Solano
>----------------

Maybe he means it stinks like dirty socks or something. :)

The Great Truth

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Lupienne wrote:

I have a better i dea we now he meant sucks so lets just leave it at that and
get on with our lives

The Great Truth

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Danehog wrote:

I love both Sonic and Mario equally, althugh Mario gets first dibs in game bying
really because Mario was the first charcter i liked.


The Great Truth

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SONIC FAN wrote:

I agree with you totally...Except the SMB3 cartoon ruled and SMBW kind of
suked

The Great Truth

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Johnny Wallbank wrote:

> >I don't think that Pokemon is terrible. It's not good but it's actually
> >better than half the crap that's on TV. Probably because it's anime,
> >which is the best thing about the show IMO. But compared to the shows on
> >TV today I'd say that it's better than
>

> *Snip 1*
>
> See? You CAN write in proper English? So why don't you even try in
> your fan-fics, Sonic Fan? All it does is make us dislike you even
> more.
>

> >Psi-factor (a canadian show. It's like the X-files only it sucks)
>

> Wow! A word that's got "uck" at the end! (No cheeky comments now...)
>

> >mentioned the purple meteor. that socks.
>

> No, I take that back...
>
> --
>

Actually Pokemon is a good show i like it and its funny...I'm a anime fan so
i guess i'm desperate for a fix

Mark Palenik

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Zuckuss199 wrote:

> > that socks.


> >
>
> Tell me, Sonic Fan, hwy do you have to do that? I mean replace UCK with OCK? Is
> it a psychological question or what?
>
> Jose Solano
> ----------------

> Whatever doesn't kill me only Pisses me off!

Well, Zockuss, I don't think you'll have much lock trying to fix the way he spells
words (everyone tries, but no one socceeds). It's like trying to play baseball
with a hockey pock.

Mark Palenik

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Yasha Rris wrote:


> Oh, one more thing.
> Leave me alone. Continue with
> the snide comments and you're
> going to regret it.
>
> ~Miyasha

Are you TRYING to start something?

Zuckuss199

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>Maybe he means it stinks like dirty socks or something. :)

But how would that explian "FOCK"?

Zuckuss199

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>Actually Pokemon is a good show i like it and its funny...I'm a anime fan so
>i guess i'm desperate for a fix
>

While I admit it's not exactly a show only geniuses would understand, i also
enjoy it (msotly because of the same reason people liked AoSTH: It was pretty
stupid, but Sonic was in it!), and also it's anime. But I really wish Pikachu
would lose popularity and give Mewtwo some space (Mewtwo could kill 10
Pikavchus in the blink of an eye, with only a thought)

Zuckuss199

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Nov 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/20/98
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>Well, Zockuss,

Please, call me Jose (seriously, being called Zuckuss annoys me)

>I don't think you'll have much lock trying to fix the way he spells
>words (everyone tries, but no one socceeds). It's like trying to play
>baseball
>with a hockey pock.

You did that on purpose, didn't you? Hey, why don't I talk in internet ebonics
now?
U did dat on pur-pis didnt u?

Mr Karate

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Zuckuss199 wrote in message <19981120182031...@ng05.aol.com>...

>>Maybe he means it stinks like dirty socks or something. :)
>
>But how would that explian "FOCK"?
>
>Jose Solano


Hey! Some people I know have very slight accents and actualy say it like
"Fock"!
I alwayas thought it was funny to mimic.

- Ryo Saeba

Mark Palenik

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Zuckuss199 wrote:

Yes, I did. I never call you Zuckuss, if you'll notice, in all my messages I say
Jose, since I remember that you said you liked Jose more than Zuckuss. The only
reason I used Zuckuss, was because it had an uck in it. I was trying to make a
point....sort of with all of the ocks instead of ucks.

And I will never stoop so low as to use net eubonics, no matter how good of a joke
it makes.

Yasha Rris

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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>Are you TRYING to start something?
>

No, but you obviously are. You wouldn't
be so intolerable if you'd just SHUT UP.
No one else gives a rats ass how you
feel about me, and you should take that
as a CLUE. Jeez, you're denser than
I thought.

Bahamut Dragons

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> Honestly, about the only thing I like about Sega is Sonic.

I would never of said that but since you do... Sega is in deep trouble. At the
beginning, Nintendo had the upper hand. SNES vs. Genesis. Even with all the
gadgets, Sega CD, 32X, i think Nintendo was always the best. Now it's Sony with
Playstation that has the upper hand. I wonder if the Nintendo CD-Rom will change
that... Only time will tell


--
Bahamut Dragons,
King of Dragons,
Ignis Bahamut urere perpetuo.

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Mark Palenik

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GrnAshura wrote:

> >> I used to be a mario fan.
> >
> >What happened? I've heard people complain that he's fat, he likes pasta a
> >little too much, his voice has too thick of an accent (which they changed
> >later), and tht his games are too similar....but....I don't know, I just
> >defeated any arguments that I could have put up in his defense. Anyway, I
> >like Mario (maybe it's just left over from when I was four years old, and I
> >got a Nintendo. I used to LOVE Mario games, watched the TV show, and even
> >had Nintendo stickers on the wall in my room).
>
> I would like to take Mr. Palenik's statement one step further. I like Nintendo.
> Nintendo really knows how to make a system, ya know? My Genesis barely works at
> all, and I can still turn on my NES and play it no problem! Nintendo has made
> some great games, nobody can deny that, and they're still going strong.


> Honestly, about the only thing I like about Sega is Sonic.
>

> Mach H. Hedgehog,
> Women want me, Lamers want to kill me.

So then what about woman lamers?

Anyway, I agree with what you said 100%. Nintendo has some very great games, and
they've always been one step ahead in their systems. I never used to even give
SEGA a thought until playing the Sonic games, which are the only reason I like it.

GrnAshura

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>
>
>> > >Because Pacman s**ks
>>
>> SOCKS????

>
>Sonic Fan, didn't you go to teach something at Harvard?

No, that was me.

Mach H. Hedgehog,
Women want me, Lamers want to kill me.

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http://members.tripod.com/~nccproductions/
--
"I have one thing to say..
Pika.. Pika.. PIKACHU!" -Miyasha
--

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>> I used to be a mario fan.
>
>What happened? I've heard people complain that he's fat, he likes pasta a
>little too much, his voice has too thick of an accent (which they changed
>later), and tht his games are too similar....but....I don't know, I just
>defeated any arguments that I could have put up in his defense. Anyway, I
>like Mario (maybe it's just left over from when I was four years old, and I
>got a Nintendo. I used to LOVE Mario games, watched the TV show, and even
>had Nintendo stickers on the wall in my room).

I would like to take Mr. Palenik's statement one step further. I like Nintendo.
Nintendo really knows how to make a system, ya know? My Genesis barely works at
all, and I can still turn on my NES and play it no problem! Nintendo has made
some great games, nobody can deny that, and they're still going strong.
Honestly, about the only thing I like about Sega is Sonic.

Mach H. Hedgehog,

David Bulmer

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In article <365CBBD1...@videotron.ca>, Bahamut Dragons
<thund...@videotron.ca> writes

>> Honestly, about the only thing I like about Sega is Sonic.
>
>I would never of said that but since you do... Sega is in deep trouble. At the
>beginning, Nintendo had the upper hand. SNES vs. Genesis. Even with all the
>gadgets, Sega CD, 32X, i think Nintendo was always the best. Now it's Sony with
>Playstation that has the upper hand. I wonder if the Nintendo CD-Rom will
>change
>that... Only time will tell
>
>
I don't see why there has to be a 'top spot' as such. During the
era of the Nes and Master System, and then the Snes and Megadrive -
Genesis, whatever - nobody cared which was selling the most. I mean Sega
and Nintendo probably did, but I never heard about either one being
better or worse. They were alternatives. I only wish Dreamcast, PSX2000
and whatever Nintendo comes up with, could do the same.
--
David Bulmer

Johnny Wallbank

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>> Honestly, about the only thing I like about Sega is Sonic.
>
>I would never of said that but since you do... Sega is in deep trouble. At the
>beginning, Nintendo had the upper hand. SNES vs. Genesis.

I think the Genesis might win... by quantity of games, it demolishes
the SNES, and Nintendo went silent.

> Even with all the
>gadgets, Sega CD

Flop.

>, 32X

Total flop.

>, i think Nintendo was always the best. Now it's Sony with
>Playstation that has the upper hand. I wonder if the Nintendo CD-Rom will change
>that... Only time will tell

Nope. Although it WILL make the N64 more powerful than the DreamCast,
but it's too little, too late I'm afraid, the N64 is almost extinct in
Japan, and not doing wonderfully in England/Europe, what it's like
over in the States, I don't know, but the N64 is having a bit of a
beating.

Mark Palenik

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Nov 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/26/98
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Johnny Wallbank wrote:

> Nope. Although it WILL make the N64 more powerful than the DreamCast,
> but it's too little, too late I'm afraid, the N64 is almost extinct in
> Japan, and not doing wonderfully in England/Europe, what it's like
> over in the States, I don't know, but the N64 is having a bit of a
> beating.
>

Really? where did you hear that? In any event, if N64 is almost extinct, then if I
mention SEGA Saturn to somebody, they'll probably ask when SEGA started an
interplanetary franchise. I find it hard to believe that the N64 is dying, since it's
the most powerful system out there right now. Systems like Playstation or Sega Saturn
came out quite a while before N64 did. Nintendo always seems to wait until other more
powerful systems come out, then improve them and make their own. And if it's too late
for N64, then it is FAR to late for SEGA. I don't know too many people who even take
the company seriously anymore (hmm....did that sound right?).....

And before I forget, I'm not really impressed by the Nintendo CD rom, or any other
system that uses a CD for it's games. The cartradges on the N64 are more than big
enough to hold the games that they make, the N64 has a wavetable sound system, so the
music sounds great, and the audio uses some type of compression/decompression meathod
that I don't know anything about. A CD add on doesn't seem like it would be that
useful.

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/26/98
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Mark Palenik wrote...

>Johnny Wallbank wrote:
>
>> Nope. Although it WILL make the N64 more powerful than the DreamCast,
>> but it's too little, too late I'm afraid, the N64 is almost extinct in
>> Japan, and not doing wonderfully in England/Europe, what it's like
>> over in the States, I don't know, but the N64 is having a bit of a
>> beating.
>>
>
>Really? where did you hear that?

In practically every gaming mag. The N64 is dying in Japan, and I don't
think Zelda would be enough to save it.

>In any event, if N64 is almost extinct, then if I
>mention SEGA Saturn to somebody, they'll probably ask when SEGA started an
>interplanetary franchise. I find it hard to believe that the N64 is dying,
since it's
>the most powerful system out there right now. Systems like Playstation or
Sega Saturn
>came out quite a while before N64 did. Nintendo always seems to wait until
other more
>powerful systems come out, then improve them and make their own. And if
it's too late
>for N64, then it is FAR to late for SEGA. I don't know too many people who
even take
>the company seriously anymore (hmm....did that sound right?).....

I think you missunderstood him (or I did). It's too late for the N64, but
not too late for Nintendo!

>And before I forget, I'm not really impressed by the Nintendo CD rom, or
any other
>system that uses a CD for it's games. The cartradges on the N64 are more
than big
>enough to hold the games that they make, the N64 has a wavetable sound
system, so the
>music sounds great, and the audio uses some type of
compression/decompression meathod
>that I don't know anything about. A CD add on doesn't seem like it would
be that
>useful.

The usefullness of CDs would allow much better RPGs and much better 3D gfx.
If you look at most early N64 games, the gfx aren't that good (save Mario
and Waveracer). More data is always nicer. Also, having the games on CD
would lower the cost, as CDs are cheaper to make then ROM chips.

The Chaos Emerald

Johnny Wallbank

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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>And before I forget, I'm not really impressed by the Nintendo CD rom, or any other
>system that uses a CD for it's games.

Die hard N64 fans think otherwise: They believe the add-on is a
godsend... Example...

<IT Room, 1:10pm, I'm using a computer, when HENRY asks me a
question.>

HENRY: Hey Johnny, which do you think is better? The N64 or the
DreamCast?
ME: DreamCast.
TIM: HA! SUCK ON THIS! THE N64DD WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT UP TO...
(insert lengthy technical specs on how many polygons it will be
supporting. I pay no attention whatsoever) SO SUCK ON THAT! SUCK ---
ON --- THAT!!!

But will the ability to support up to 42 million polygons make a
better game? Not if it's an interactive movie it won't.

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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Johnny Wallbank wrote...

>>And before I forget, I'm not really impressed by the Nintendo CD rom, or
any other
>>system that uses a CD for it's games.
>
>Die hard N64 fans think otherwise: They believe the add-on is a
>godsend... Example...
>
><IT Room, 1:10pm, I'm using a computer, when HENRY asks me a
>question.>
>
>HENRY: Hey Johnny, which do you think is better? The N64 or the
>DreamCast?
>ME: DreamCast.
>TIM: HA! SUCK ON THIS! THE N64DD WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT UP TO...
>(insert lengthy technical specs on how many polygons it will be
>supporting. I pay no attention whatsoever) SO SUCK ON THAT! SUCK ---
>ON --- THAT!!!
>
>But will the ability to support up to 42 million polygons make a
>better game? Not if it's an interactive movie it won't.

Wait, I'm confused. I thought that the 64DD (which ISN'T getting released
in the US last I checked...) was just a different way of getting I/O; I
didn't think it improved the N64 in any way. Am I wrong?

The Chaos Emerald

P.S. And those 42 million polygons, are they anti-aliased, gourad shaded,
trilinear mipmaped ... polygons?


Mr Karate

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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The Chaos Emerald wrote in message ...

>Wait, I'm confused. I thought that the 64DD (which ISN'T getting released
>in the US last I checked...) was just a different way of getting I/O; I
>didn't think it improved the N64 in any way. Am I wrong?
>
>The Chaos Emerald


I'm not sure, I never looked into it, but I heard that it just gave a
little more storage space? I dunno.

P.S.S. Those 42 million polygons better be Textured, Gorauded,
Trilinear, Anti aliased, and Mip Mapped, or whats the point of having 42
million at all? :)

- Ryo S

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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Mr Karate wrote...

>
> P.S.S. Those 42 million polygons better be Textured, Gorauded,
>Trilinear, Anti aliased, and Mip Mapped, or whats the point of having 42
>million at all? :)

Why to brag about specs, of course!

The Chaos Emerald


Mark Palenik

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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Mr Karate wrote:

> The Chaos Emerald wrote in message ...
> >Wait, I'm confused. I thought that the 64DD (which ISN'T getting released
> >in the US last I checked...) was just a different way of getting I/O; I
> >didn't think it improved the N64 in any way. Am I wrong?
> >
> >The Chaos Emerald
>
> I'm not sure, I never looked into it, but I heard that it just gave a
> little more storage space? I dunno.
>

> P.S.S. Those 42 million polygons better be Textured, Gorauded,
> Trilinear, Anti aliased, and Mip Mapped, or whats the point of having 42
> million at all? :)
>

> - Ryo S

Well....to some extent, although the anti aliasing is always poor, and the
goraud shading never seems that good.....but basicaly, I'd think it would look
exactly like it did before, except with a higher polygon count. Currently, I
think the N64 can display something like 500,000 polygons per second. So, most
likely the cd add on thing will bring up the total polygon count in the levels
to 42 million, which probably means no change in rendering.

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/27/98
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Mark Palenik wrote...

>Mr Karate wrote:
>> The Chaos Emerald wrote in message ...
>>
>> >Wait, I'm confused. I thought that the 64DD (which ISN'T getting
released
>> >in the US last I checked...) was just a different way of getting I/O; I
>> >didn't think it improved the N64 in any way. Am I wrong?
>> >
>> I'm not sure, I never looked into it, but I heard that it just gave a
>> little more storage space? I dunno.
>
> Well....to some extent, although the anti aliasing is always poor, and the
>goraud shading never seems that good.....but basicaly, I'd think it would
look
>exactly like it did before, except with a higher polygon count. Currently,
I
>think the N64 can display something like 500,000 polygons per second. So,
most
>likely the cd add on thing will bring up the total polygon count in the
levels
>to 42 million, which probably means no change in rendering.

So, let me get this straight, the 64DD will add RAM? I don't think that
would increase the polygon count at all, since they tried to maximize that
type of stuff. Also, I heard the DD is canned EVERYWHERE; has anyone else
heard that?

The Chaos Emerald

Johnny Wallbank

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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>Wait, I'm confused. I thought that the 64DD (which ISN'T getting released
>in the US last I checked...) was just a different way of getting I/O; I
>didn't think it improved the N64 in any way. Am I wrong?

I believe it also enhances the N64's abilites, similar to the way the
Sega/Mega CD allowed a few more colours on screen of Megadrive/Genesis
games. What it does for the N64, I don't know.

>
>The Chaos Emerald
>
>P.S. And those 42 million polygons, are they anti-aliased, gourad shaded,
>trilinear mipmaped ... polygons?
>

Haha! Of course that'd need another 3 Voodoo 2 cards with 16Mb of
on-board memory each...

Bahamut Dragons

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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From what i know, there will be a clock fonction on it. Example:
Joe: What time is it?
Me: (Looking at the CD) 3:00

... JOKE!

There fonction is that if i play Earthbound 64 (For 64DD), and stop playing for a
week, my characters might be upset at me.

For those who don't know what Earthbound is, it's a quest type of game. It's
called Mother in Japan.

Danehog

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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>There fonction is that if i play Earthbound 64 (For 64DD), and stop playing
>for a
>week, my characters might be upset at me.
>
>For those who don't know what Earthbound is, it's a quest type of game. It's
>called Mother in Japan.

Earthbound? Wasn't that that game for SNES that was 100 precent
pointless. Okay, so this is kind of off-topic but I just HAD to reply to that
post.

A 100 precent pointless,
Danehog

Bahamut Dragons

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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Danehog wrote:

I found to very innovatif, sauces and stuff. There was also Mother 1, for NES,
which never hit america. You can search for the rom (translated as Earthbound
Zero) on the Internet.

Bahamut Dragons

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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> nope. I heard that it won't leave Japan if they don't release it in time for
> the holiday season. Oh look, it was delayed (surprise surprise) to July 99,
> which means that it won't leave Japan.
> I think it'll come out in Japan, but with the more successful Playstation (and
> the fantastic Dreamcast) out, will anybody care about it anymore?

Yes, it will sell. All my friends that have a N64 wants to buy it. And i heard
that it's coming in America on March 99.

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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TimeStones wrote...

>>
>>So, let me get this straight, the 64DD will add RAM? I don't think that
>>would increase the polygon count at all, since they tried to maximize that
>>type of stuff. Also, I heard the DD is canned EVERYWHERE; has anyone else
>>heard that?
>
>nope. I heard that it won't leave Japan if they don't release it in time
for
>the holiday season. Oh look, it was delayed (surprise surprise) to July 99,
>which means that it won't leave Japan.

July '99??????? Nooone will care! By then the DC will have a lot of good
games, the PSX2, will have come out, and where will the N64 be? Down in the
dirt. It seems that they're going to rely too much on the Color Game Boy,
but does the big N really think that it'll support them?

The Chaos Emerald

Thunder, rain and lightning,
>"Danger, Water Rising..."

The Chaos Emerald

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Nov 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/28/98
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DarkeSword wrote...

>>So, let me get this straight, the 64DD will add RAM? I don't think that
>>would increase the polygon count at all, since they tried to maximize that
>>type of stuff. Also, I heard the DD is canned EVERYWHERE; has anyone else
>>heard that?
>
<little ol' snip>
>
>The 64DD would NOT add RAM. They have the 4MB RAM expansion pak for that.
>
>I, too, have heard that the 64DD has been canned everywhere. So don't
count on
>it coming here.
>
>I just thought I would clear that up for you all. I'm done now.

That's what I thought; but then how in the world would the 64DD improve the
polygonal capabilities of the N64? Oh no! I'm now BELIEVING those idiots!
;)

The Chaos Emerald

TimeStones

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Nov 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/29/98
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>
>So, let me get this straight, the 64DD will add RAM? I don't think that
>would increase the polygon count at all, since they tried to maximize that
>type of stuff. Also, I heard the DD is canned EVERYWHERE; has anyone else
>heard that?

nope. I heard that it won't leave Japan if they don't release it in time for


the holiday season. Oh look, it was delayed (surprise surprise) to July 99,
which means that it won't leave Japan.

I think it'll come out in Japan, but with the more successful Playstation (and
the fantastic Dreamcast) out, will anybody care about it anymore?


Quote of the month:

"Did we miss dinner?"- Sonic The Hedgehog


** * TimeStones* * *
** * ***

"Danger, Water Rising..."

DarkeSword

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Nov 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/29/98
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>So, let me get this straight, the 64DD will add RAM? I don't think that
>would increase the polygon count at all, since they tried to maximize that
>type of stuff. Also, I heard the DD is canned EVERYWHERE; has anyone else
>heard that?

The 64DD was a harware attachment that hooks up to the bottom of the N64
console.
It's main purpose was to be a *Disk Drive* (DD) for the N64, with add-ons and
such for the games. Ex: Nintendo's racing game, F-Zero X, was supposed to
utilize the DD so one could use an expansion pak with new tracks, new cars, and
the like.

It was also supposed to have a hook up for your GameBoy so you could transfer
your data to an N64 cart. Ex: You could transfer the different Pokemon from
gameboy cart onto your Pokemon Stadium cartridge and battle your pokemon in
full 3D. This function was replaced by a little device called the 64GB
controller pak (pop in the cart, pop that into your controller, and presto,
instant data transfer).

The 64DD would NOT add RAM. They have the 4MB RAM expansion pak for that.

I, too, have heard that the 64DD has been canned everywhere. So don't count on
it coming here.

I just thought I would clear that up for you all. I'm done now.

Darke Sword
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"They're coming to take us all..."

TimeStones

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Nov 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/29/98
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>July '99??????? Nooone will care! By then the DC will have a lot of good
>games, the PSX2, will have come out, and where will the N64 be? Down in the
>dirt. It seems that they're going to rely too much on the Color Game Boy,
>but does the big N really think that it'll support them?
>


Well, I heard that Nintendo has already started on it's nxt console, but from
the rumor I heard it'll be a disaster plauged with delays. (Why? The rumor said
the people behind the N64's technology are creating it! ARGH!!!!)

>The Chaos Emerald
>
>Thunder, rain and lightning,
>>"Danger, Water Rising..."
>
>
>

GrnAshura

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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<snippity>

>But will the ability to support up to 42 million polygons make a
>better game? Not if it's an interactive movie it won't.

Actually, the 64DD is a Disk Drive, like a Floppy kinda thing. You can use it
to download games to play and that sort of thing. I really think that
N(intendo) Is repeating the mistake Sega made with the SegaCD. Oh well, it's
not the first time a company has screwed up with their system (Or screwed their
system)

GrnAshura

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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>Yes, it will sell. All my friends that have a N64 wants to buy it. And i
>heard
>that it's coming in America on March 99.

... which would be 3 months before it comes out in Japan. Not likely. Did you
hear that from your N64 friends?

GrnAshura

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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>July '99??????? Nooone will care! By then the DC will have a lot of good
>games,

There's already more games being made for DC than N64 has right now.

>the PSX2, will have come out,

No, Sorry. I don't think that the PSX2 will be out untill much later in the
year, if not before 2000 at all.

> and where will the N64 be? Down in the
>dirt.

Yep. Seems that way.

> It seems that they're going to rely too much on the Color Game Boy,

Hey, GB Color is cool, from what I heard, I wonder how much trading in my Game
Gear in it's damaged state could shave off the price of a GameBoy Color at
Funcoland.

>but does the big N really think that it'll support them?

GrnAshura

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Nov 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/30/98
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>So then what about woman lamers?

They want me to kill myself.

>Anyway, I agree with what you said 100%. Nintendo has some very great games,
>and
>they've always been one step ahead in their systems. I never used to even
>give
>SEGA a thought until playing the Sonic games, which are the only reason I
>like it.

Exacty. But, I'd have to say I like PSX best of all.

Zuckuss199

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Dec 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/1/98
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>For those who don't know what Earthbound is, it's a quest type of game. It's
>called Mother in Japan.
>

We know what it is, Mother 2 (original Earthbound in US) came out for SNES, I
have it it's awesome.

Jose Solano
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Run, Forrest, Run

Maculation

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Dec 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/1/98
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Also, (Kinda off topic) Mother 1 is for the NES and Called Earthbound Zero here
in the U.S.A. (well, for most of us)
If you Want to know about EBZ search for Neo Demiforce for the whole story.

Jast...@webtv.net

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Dec 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/7/98
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mario is ok in his own way sonic has his own cartoon show that is as
soon as it comes back but i like bouth of them .


Zuckuss199

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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Jaster, you are beginning to annoy me...

>mario is ok in his own way sonic has his own cartoon show that is as
>soon as it comes back but i like bouth of them .
>

Sonic and Mario have both HAD cartoons (yes, Mario had about 3m Sonic had 2, 3
with Underground, 4 with Anime).


Are you really AznTaKa?

Jose Solano
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"Bizzare?Yes. Weird? Yes. Pointless? Sometimes"
-Mach Hedgehog

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