Skinny Puppy and related FAQ

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The Skinny Puppy (and related band)

F A Q

version 1.3
Last Updated 8/18/97

Written and maintained by
Corey (sgol...@monmouth.com) and SKUMM (ande...@up.lib.mi.us)
(with noted sections quoted from Nettwerk's customer service)

With thanks to and help from:

Artmaker; Rene H.C.; Dead Shot; Kevin Lewis; Greg Clow; Dierdre; Kristy M. Holt; JDL; MagerValp; Sevorg; L'Ogre2'3; Ffreddy; David Pattee; Blaine Lefort; James Annet; T o M; Jo-Ann Greene; Peter Cieghn; Subconscious Communications and their web site; c
Evin Key; Nettwerk (esp. Armand Sebris and Adam Drake); and of course Skinny Puppy and everyone involved with it

Dedicated to the life and music of Dwayne R. Goettel

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* Denotes a new question to a section or a new section altogether
+ Denotes changes/updates to questions in a section
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+-General Questions
+-Member Info
-Questions By Album/Era
=Back and Forth=
=Remission=
=Bites=
=Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse=
*=Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate=
=VIVIsectVI=
=Rabies=
=Ain't It Dead Yet? (live)=
=Too Dark Park=
+=Last Rights=
=The Process=
=Brap=
-Miscellaneous Questions
-The Videos
-Other Projects and Bands
%=Subconscious Communications=
*=Download=
=aDuck=
=Doubting Thomas=
%=The Tear Garden/The Legendary Pink Dots=
+=Hilt/The Flu/Lee Chubby King=
+=Plateau=
=cEvin Key Solo=
=Cyberaktif/Front Line Assembly=
=A Chud Convention=
=Hell O' Deth Day=
*=The Lung Goblins=
=cEvin's Pre-Puppy Work=
%=Mark Spybey/Dead Voices On Air=
%=Ministry/Revolting Cocks/PTP=
=Mutual Mortuary=
=W.E.L.T.=
%=Pigface=
=Ritalin=

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Frequently Asked Questions

"Answer me. Can't you talk? Can't you move? Answer me!"

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-General Questions-
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-How did the band start?

Skinny Puppy began when cEvin and Ogre met up and discovered that they
had similar tastes for the extreme. cEvin, extremely frustrated with playing
in a pop band (see Images In Vogue question below), had the urge to
create something that was raw and real. Having learned a great deal about
the technical aspects of electronic music from his time in Images In Vogue,
cEvin felt he knew enough to be able to do it on his own, and started
experimenting along with Ogre. Ogre, who was at the time interested in
playing music, began adding lyrics to cEvin's music due to his writing
experience. They begin writing songs as a reaction to everything they hated
about pop music. Manipulating and mutilating sound that was already in
existence, Puppy began creating "audio sculpture". They quickly
completed their first demo/tape/album called Back and Forth and
distributed it around Vancouver. A friend of cEvin's was starting up a
record label called Nettwerk. Skinny Puppy signed to Nettwerk and
released their first album (well, technically an EP) called Remission in
1984. The rest is history.

-Where did they get the name Skinny Puppy?

While the name can be interpreted a number of different ways and has
many different levels of meaning, the basic idea is that of an abused,
neglected animal who doesn't speak much but when he does it is a pain
filled yelp. Early on, the concept for the band was to look at the whole
world through the eyes of a dog. This resulted in Ogre's lyrics for K-9
which became the first Puppy song. An interesting story (which may or
may not be true...) is that cEvin had the demo tape of the song with him at
an all night party. He eventually passed out and when he awoke, found the
words "Skinny Puppy" written on the tape.

-What were their influences?

There were many bands that were influential to Skinny Puppy. One of the
major, early influences was Throbbing Gristle, the band that began the Industrial Records label in the late '70s. Another heavy influence was the pioneering German synth band Kraftwerk. cEvin said once that when he got his first Kraftwerk album, he got ri
d of the rest of his record collection and started over. Some have said that early Skinny Puppy was a melding of these two ends of the musical spectrum. Other influential bands include
SPK, Cabaret Voltaire, Nocturnal Emissions, Portion Control, and the
Legendary Pink Dots. It has also been suggested that Ogre's taste for live
performance art is a result of him being a fan of Alice Cooper as a kid.

-Where is <dialogue sample here> from?

Many spoken samples and sounds were taken from movies. A definitive list
of the sources for each song's samples can be found at the Skinny Puppy
Sample Source Archive (http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/jdeell/puppy.htm).
Another place to find info on samples by Skinny Puppy and any other band
(including projects like Doubting Thomas) is the Top Sample List
(http://phobos.astro.uwo.ca/%7Eetittley/top_samples/samples.html). Btw
Puppy is ranked as the highest sample using group by this list, and that's
not even counting Doubting Thomas, Cyberaktif, etc.

-<Insert Album A> sounds nothing like <Insert Album B>, wtf?

Skinny Puppy were not a band to repeat themselves. Rather than stagnating
their sound constantly changed, grew, and morphed. No one album can
give a complete indication of what they sounded like. Everyone has their
favorite, so get 'em all and decide for yourself.

-How many people listen to Skinny Puppy?

At the time of their breakup Skinny Puppy had sold over 1,000,000 records, which works out to an average of one record sold about every 6 - 7 minutes over the course of their 13 year existance. And that doesn't even include singles, side projects, and sal
es after the breakup. And yes, I do have too much free time.

-What new stuff is coming out?

Here's a list of planned and/or possible Puppy related releases

Download: Charlie's Family Soundtrack (re-release out now)
Plateau: Dutch Flowers / White Widow (single; CD / vinyl out now)
Doubting Thomas: Father Don't Cry (single; re-release August 22nd)
cEvin Key: Music Fur/For Cats (Fall?)
Download: III (new album; Fall?)
Download: Moth EP
Download: Resilient Remix EP
Skinny Puppy: Remix album
Skinny Puppy: 2 Sampling discs
Skinny Puppy: Back and Forth series 5/6 (these may be the above mentioned sample discs)
aDuck: aDuck (full length album)
Kone: (album...this may or may not be directly related to SP, but Kone is on Subcon)
The Tear Garden: (new material)
Hilt: The Worst Of...
Plateau: (new material)
Subconscious Compilation 2
KMFDM: (new album w\ Ogre as guest artist)
Pigface: A New High In Low (new album w\ Ogre; August?)
Ritalin: (new project of Ogre and Martin Atkins to be completed this summer)
W.E.L.T.: (album...someday...)
We Came To DanceVol. X (2CD comp. w\new SP track "Morphedus" w\Ogre; out now)
The Legendary Pink Dots: Collaborations (comp w\Tear Garden tracks available only directly from LPD themselves)
Tool: Stinkfist (Rumored remix by Ogre; unreleased as of yet...)

Also watch for Download on tour and possibly some limited live Tear Garden shows! cEvin will be appearing playing percussion at the Legendary Pink Dots' San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco shows on their current N. American tour.

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-Who were Skinny Puppy?

Skinny Puppy started out as cEvin Key (Kevin Crompton) and Nivek Ogre
(Kevin Ogilvie). cEvin created most of the music and Ogre did the lyrics
and vocals. Early on Ogre contributed, however minimally, to the music,
playing some synths, some percussion, and handling his own vocal
treatments. When recording their first album, Remission, they hooked up
with producer Dave Ogilvie, who would remain a major contributor to the
band through most of their existence. When they started playing live, they
needed another keyboardist and brought in their friend Wilhelm Schroder.
Wilhelm didn't know very much about music, but really wanted to play so
Key showed him the ropes. Wilhelm played bass synth on some early tracks
and on the Bites tour (plus moaning on Stairs and Flowers). He was never
listed as an actual member on any of the releases, however. For a variety of
reasons, he quit the band halfway through the recording of the third album,
Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse, and went on to start Front Line
Assembly as Bill Leeb. To fill the void, cEvin brought in Dwayne R.
Goettel (see question below), a classically trained and technically skilled
keyboardist. The two instantly clicked and Dwayne became a vital member
of the band. This lineup lasted for the rest of the bands history. When
Skinny Puppy broke up on June 12, 1995, Ogre went his way and cEvin
and Dwayne went theirs. Tragically, Dwayne died of a heroin overdose on
August 23, 1995. His legacy, as that of Skinny Puppy, forever lives on.

-What is cEvin Key doing now? Where can I reach him?

His main project is Download at the moment and he is working on some
other side projects, including The Tear Garden, Plateau, and Doubting
Thomas (of which cEvin has said has some new material will be released
eventually). A new Download album is supposedly due in the fall
without the aid of Mark Spybey, who split from the band in April. cEvin
Key has an email address (ck...@cyberstore.ca and/or ck...@vkool.com).
He seems to respond on a fairly regular basis and is very good natured
about answering fans' questions.

-How the hell do you pronounce cEvin's name?

Nowadays at least, he pronounces it just like "Kevin".

-How did cEvin get the nickname Kenny King?

Someone was calling cEvin to the phone, and mispronounced his name as
Kenny King. And so, a new nickname was born. This is said to have
happened on the same day as the Cincinnati arrest incident, but that seems
to conflict with the name King appearing on the earlier Lee Chubby King
project (see below).

-What is Ogre doing now? Where can I reach him?

Supposedly he's been working on a project by the name of W.E.L.T with
Mark Walk for, oh, I'd say about nigh over 3 years now, and supposedly
they finished 14 tracks a LONG time ago. Apparently the deal Ogre had
with American Records got muddled and the album was put into limbo
when American Records was absorbed by Warner Bros. The delay was
furthered by Ogre's reluctance to release the album while certain other
"artists" who he feels are "exploiting" his past work are in the public eye
right now. He's waiting it out till he feels its a better time to release the
album. In the meantime he is working on a completely new project with
Martin Atkins called Ritalin. They are working on Ritalin over the summer
so hopefully there will be some new Ogre stuff soon! He has taken part in the new KMFDM album and the new Pigface album. He does have an email supposedly (pu...@netcom.com) but either he's not answering any casual questions from fans anymore or he's moved
because I have never gotten anything in reply to the questions I have asked him in the past. You can try.

- What was Dwayne up to before Puppy? How did he get involved in the band?

Dwayne, who grew up in Edmonton, was in a band by the name of Psyche.
Although Psyche recorded, it was only after Dwayne left the band. Dwayne
was also in two other bands. One band called Voice did record an EP for a
local indie label. Another called Water, which featured a female vocalist,
never recorded but had opened for Puppy on the Bites tour. As the story
goes, Wilhelm Schroder (later Bill Leeb) did not want to go on another tour
with the band and Dwayne, having opened for Pup, fit the bill and was free.
cEvin and Dwayne quickly found that they worked well together and began
jamming. This resulted on their first song, Antagonism. Dwayne was a
member of Skinny Puppy until their breakup June 12, 1995.

-Are Dave "the Rave" Ogilvie and Kevin "Nivek Ogre" Ogilvie related or the
same person?

Absolutely not, it's all just a coincidence as far as the same last names go.
Certain incorrect information has be printed in the past, but aside from a close
relationship, they are not related in any way.

-OK, two Ogilvies I can buy...but three? Who is this Rosie "Mowse" Ogilvie?

Rosie Ogilvie is Dave Ogilvie's wife. She does backing vocals on Tear Or
Beat as Mowse and performed with Ogre and Rave at some animal rights
benefit shows.

-Who is the Green Guy?

Some say the green guy is the person who provided the pot during the
recording process, others say it's a person who played bass on some tracks,
still others say it was cEvin under the influence, and yet others say it's a name
for Marijuana altogether.

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=Back And Forth (series 1 and 2)=

-What is Back and Forth series 1 and where can I get it?

Back and Forth series 1 was their first, self produced tape released in early
'84. Intended to be a run of 50 copies, cEvin got tired of dubbing them and
only ended up making 35. Years later, some copies numbered 36-50 turned
up, and it has been suggested that Bill Leeb made them and sold them to
some fans for quite a bit of money, but he denies it. cEvin says that as far
as he knows there were only 35. In addition, copies 1-15 were individually
hand dubbed, while 16-35 were high-speed dubbed, resulting in lower
quality. All of these track appear in a remastered form on Back and Forth
series 2. If you're an anal completist who still wants to hear the tracks in
the (in a few cases) slightly different original versions, bootleg copies of
this release can be found.

-What's that thing at the beginning of Smothered Hope (demo) on Back and
Forth series 2?

This appears to be a live improvisation, performed right before Smothered
Hope. When the drums from Smothered Hope begin to come in, the track
switches to an early demo for Smothered Hope, as the title suggests.

=Remission=

=Bites=

-Who is that singing on the Centre Bullet?

The vocals on this track are actually done by cEvin. Later on, cEvin redid
this song under the Tear Garden name with Edward Ka-Spel adding vocals.
Its kind of interesting, though, that cEvin's vocs on the original version
sound quite a bit similar to Edward's voice.

-What is this extra track 17 on the Bites CD?

This track is called One Day and was previously unreleased. The title
might be a reference to the original name of Puppy friends the Legendary
Pink Dots.

-What's with all the different versions of Bites?

While there were many different releases of Bites with different tracks on
them, the currently available '93 CD release includes every track ever
released on any version of Bites except Cage, which you can get on the
Chainsaw EP.

-Why are some of the same tracks that are on Remission on Bites as well?

While it is not clear from the tracklist (or discography), the duplicated
tracks are different versions of the songs. The versions of Film and
Icebreaker on Remission are different than the ones on Bites. It should be
noted that if you have one of the Remission and Bites or Bites and
Remission compilation discs you will be missing out on a lot of material. If
you want the complete picture, the way to get Remission and Bites are as
two separate CDs.

-What was the tour like for this album?

The Bites tour of North America and Europe had the lineup of Ogre, cEvin, and Wilhelm
Schroeder. The set involved giant medieval-looking platforms that cEvin and Wilhelm
stood on and played from. Skulls and televisions on pedestals littered the stage. Ogre
occaisionally turned to a metallic rhythm setup, which looked much like a swing set,
playing and banging on a variety of objects including cymbals, springs, and windchimes. A
life size (and Ogre-esque) stuffed doll hung in effigy from the percussion set. Ogre,
manipulating his own vocals live onstage, performed a variety of frightening acts which
included holding up a mirror to himself and the audience, slashing his own throat, and, in
the finale, smashing a skull against his head, shattering it to pieces. A good example of
what the tour looked like can be seen in the Smothered Hope and Far Too Frail videos as
well as in the inside of the Back and Forth series 2 insert.

=Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse=

-Alright...let me guess...the version of Love on Mind:TPI is different than the one on
Bites?

Yep. Good call:)

-OK, why are Addiction and Deep Down Trauma Hounds on here? Weren't those
originally released on Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate? And where is Stairs and Flowers
(Dub) from?

The original vinyl/cassette release on Mind:TPI came out in '86. The last song on the
album was Burnt With Water. The CD version was released in '88, which was after
Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate (and it's companion Addiction single) were released. As
bonus tracks on the CD version of Mind:TPI, tracks from the Addiction single were
added, even though they were from a later era. These two tracks are actually Addiction
(second dose) and Deep Down Trauma Hounds (remix), not the original versions of the
songs as the tracklist suggests. Further bonus tracks were taken from the Chainsaw EP.
These two tracks were Chainsaw and Stares and Flowers (Too Far Gone), the latter
retitled Stairs and Flowers (Dub).

-Why is Dig It on the CD album the same as the remix on the Dig It single?

For some reason, the original album version of Dig It was replaced with the 12" remix for
the CD release of Mind:TPI. The version on the 12" Anthology is also the 12" remix.
The original album version has never been released on CD.

-What is the difference between the Chainsaw EP/Single and the Stairs and Flowers
EP/single?

Stairs and Flowers was a slightly different version of Chainsaw made for the US market.
The track Cage was dropped for Stairs and Flowers but the cover art was exactly the same
(except the title). Stairs and Flowers was available as a 12" only and is out of print, but the
Chainsaw EP is still available on CD.

=Cleanse, Fold, And Manipulate=

-Who is that singing on Addiction?

The low voice in Addiction is, in fact, Ogre. His voice is heavily pitched down resulting in quite a few people thinking it was a guest vocalist. It is rumored that Ogre was taking a stab at Bill Leeb's vocal style with this track.

=VIVIsectVI=

-Why is the album called VIVIsectVI? What's the VI for?

This is a sort of wordplay to show the evil of vivisection. Switch the last VI
to the front and you get VIVIVIsect or 666 sect.

-I heard of a song called Kill To Cure, what is it and why wasn't it released?

This was a song recorded around 87-88. It was never released but a bootleg
recording of a demo exists, and they performed it live during the early '88
European tour. The vocals for the demo version sound like a very early
scratch demo cut, and they were changed quite a bit for the live version. Its
not known exactly why this track wasn't released (any info on this would be
great). A live version of this track can be downloaded from the Skinny Puppy
Unleashed web site at (http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc21870)

-I heard they got arrested in '88, why?

A person in the audience during the VIVIsectVI tour mistakenly thought
the stuffed dog Chud, which Ogre ripped apart on stage in order to show
the horrors of vivisection, was a real animal and called the police. After
showing up backstage and finding that Chud indeed was not real, they
basically tried to find a reason to be there and after some harsh words were
exchanged Ogre and cEvin among others spent the night in jail under
disorderly conduct charges. Dwayne, who was actually rolling a joint as
the cops came in, managed to escape due to his unique power of
invisibility.

-I heard about Chud getting stolen, what happened?

After the show in Detroit, some girl managed to grab Chud as a souvenir of
the show and left it in the back of her unlocked car after she got home. The
band followed her around the city. Ogre not only recovered Chud but also
entered the girl's house and yelled at her parents.

=Rabies=

-Who is the Cyan credited with lyrics and vocals for Rain?

Cyan was supposedly Ogre's girlfriend at the time.

-What exactly is this track Spahn Dirge? Where have I heard those lyrics before?

Spahn Dirge is a live in-studio jam including everyone from the band. It
probably involved guests including Al Jourgensen. It appears as a B-side on
the Tin Omen single and as a bonus track on the CD version of Rabies.
Some of the lyrics are borrowed (and subsequently warped) from Revolting
Cock's Attack Ships On Fire and Led Zeppelin's When The Levee Breaks.

-I heard Rabies got remastered. How can I tell if I have the original or remastered version?
What's the difference?

The original master had been put through a Dolby noise reduction that
cEvin loathed, so he went back and remastered it for CD in '93. If you
have it on vinyl or cassette, you've got the original master version.
Otherwise, read on.

Here's the info straight from Nettwerk:

Skinny Puppy Rabies Remastered Quasi-FAQ

Here's the long story about Rabies and the "first master" vs. "re-mastered"
explanation:

- Rabies was first released in 1989 on LP and Cassette. This was at a time
when you still had to wait a few weeks for the CD to be done. The LP and
the Cassette at the time had a specific type of master that was still in
use for vinyl and cassette manufacture (as opposed to CD's.)

- When the CD first came out, it featured the same mastering as the
original LP and Cassette. This was only for the first two pressings.

- When those original copies ran out in Canada (at the time that's the only
place it was available) we put out a "remastered" pressing specifically for
CD. The CD has always had this master ever since. The remastered version
came out in early 1993. If you bought it anytime after that *IN CANADA* you
will have this version of the CD.

- If you have any doubt in your mind whatsoever, you should be ordering it
from our mail order dept.

On a technical note: "Re-mastering" or just plain "mastering" is the art of
clarifying and raising the overall volume of all of the mixes on an album
(no matter what format) to a certain level so that it is the same volume
(or a more uniform volume anyway) for the whole disc. In the case of
"Rabies", you might also notice on the remastered version that the bass is
much "smoother" and "heavier". Very delicate art that one. :)

To be completely honest, the "un-remastered" version of "Rabies" is now
much harder to find than the remastered version.
I know what you're saying after reading that: "I'd like to get a copy of
this if it actually is different. How do I go about ordering it direct?"

Our mail order dept.'s email address is:

mail....@nettwerk.com

I hope that clears up a lot of stuff for some people.

Armand S.
Internet Services
Nettwerk Productions
in...@nettwerk.com

=Ain't It Dead Yet?=

-When was Ain't It Dead Yet? recorded?

June 1, 1987 on the Cleanse, Fold, and Manipulate tour.

-My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? is all on one track, why?

The CD versions of this album were pressed as one track in order to
preserve the live experience of the show as a whole. Apparently, though a
new version has just been released with each song on a different track.
(more to come)

-My copy of Ain't It Dead Yet? says it includes God's Gift (Maggot), but it
doesn't...wtf?

Someone apparently screwed up and confused One Time One Place with
God's Gift (Maggot). All versions of the album and video have One Time
One Place as the actual song present. A new version of the album has
appeared (see above question) with this error corrected. (More to come...)

=Too Dark Park=

-Hey, my Too Dark Park insert is different from my friend's. What's going on?

The original release of the TDP CD included a fold-out, color lyric sheet
with the entire cover painting intact in the background. Later on this was
switched to a stapled booklet, with the painting in black and white and
chopped up among the pages. The change may have been made to make
the lyrics easier to read.

-Hey, my Spasmolytic is missing a song that my friend's copy has. What's going on?

Choralone (Live in Houston) was a bonus track on some CD and cassette copies of the
Spasmolytic single/EP. Some list it on the cover and have it, some don't list it and have it,
and some don't have it period. It is not available on the vinyl version of the release. More
info to come/requested on this.

=Last Rights=

-Track 10 on Last Rights is missing...wtf?

The track that was track 10, entitled Left Handshake was scrapped from the
album at the last minute due to the Timothy Leary samples throughout the
song having not having been cleared. Even though Leary himself approved of
the use of the samples, he found out later that he did not in fact own the rights
to them and the owner denied SP usage of the samples. The song was pulled
from the album. Interestingly (and frustratingly), some of the same samples
appear in the track Fistfuck on Nine Inch Nail's Fixed EP.

-Where can I get this Left Hand Shake?

The track can be found, in a variety of forms, as a bootleg. One version of
the song can be found on the original European version of Brap, put out by
the Off Beat Label. Offbeat went ahead and released it even though they
didn't legally have the right to do so. It also appears on the CD bootleg
Intolerance (this is not an endorsement btw...). Puppy supposedly planned
to release it as a 7" given out at shows but this never happened. You can
download a copy of this song and hear Last Rights the way it was meant to
be heard from the Skinny Puppy Unleashed web site
(http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc21870).

-What's this story of Ogre having a convulsion during Knowhere?

While Ogre and Rave were recording the vocals for Knowhere?, during a
period of Ogre's heavy drug addiction, Ogre took a shot of coke and had a
seizure. It is rumored that they were still recording as he went into the
convulsions, and that the recording actually appears on the final album.

-On my copy of Last Rights the songs start 39 sec before the corresponding
track comes up. What gives?

The original pressing of the Last Rights CD had an error which caused the
tracks to be shifted 39 seconds after the point the song starts. This resulted in
the first 39 seconds of Love In Vein being cut off and 39 seconds of space
being added to the end of Download. You can hear the beginning of Love In
Vein by rewinding the CD past the 0 second point. This pressing error was
quickly replaced and all new copies of Last Rights do not have this problem.
Some still claim that the "error" was actually done on purpose so that you
had to listen to the album as a whole, much like Ain't It Dead Yet?. It is
doubtful, however, that they would intentionally cut off the first 39 seconds
of a song.

-My copy of Last Rights has all the right songs on the CD, but the on-disc art
only lists three songs, (Tormentor ext., Bark, and Nature's Revenge Dub).
Wtf?

This seems to be a common phenomenon with copies of Last Rights ordered
from Columbia House. The music is correct, but the on-disc art is that of the
Tormentor single. Try contacting Columbia House, Nettwerk, or Capitol about the
problem.

-What happened to the Love In Vein single?

It was scrapped, but some or all of the content planned to be released on it can
be found on Brap (vol. 4). The version of Love In Vein on Brap is a (possibly
unfinished) remix.

-What was the tour for Last Rights like?

The Last Rights tour (of which the European leg was canceled due to Ogre's knee injury)
involved a variety of horrific imagery. cEvin appeared to play live percussion throughout
the show. The show involved Ogre interacting with a staticy backing film, being tortured
by his own guilt, spinning a macabre tree with masks, arms, and other monsterous things
hanging from it constantly over his head, occasionally pulling objects off and wearing
masks for certain songs. The tree was originally called "The Tree Of No Cares" and was concieved as an extension of "The Chair of No Cares" from the TDP show and Spasmolytic video. The tree trunk was made up of hundreds of twisted, moaning faces and was s
crawled with words like "Sex", "Greed", "Self Disect", "Vermin", and "Survive". The masks (AKA Torture Heads) included a gas mask, a monster with its tongue hanging out, and a screaming human head cut in half just below the eyes. Ogre's makeup revealed hi
s face as a twisted melding of flesh and metal. As the show progressed, Ogre continued to turn to a Videodrome-inspired virtual reality/drug machine through which he entered some other "dimension". When Ogre entered the machine, his face appeared on the b
acking film, giving us a glimpse into the other world in which he was being tortured as well. The machine continued to destroy him, eventually splitting him into two personalities, evident by a "second Ogre" growing out of his back. Late in the show he he
ld up a cross which began to bleed. Finally he dons a "guilt suit" and becomes his own monster. The "Guiltman" monster suit was complete with stitches, needles, chains, words such as "Forgive Me" carved into the flesh, a gaping orifice in the belly with s
erpentile tongue hanging out, and IV tubes sticking out of him. The show was capped with an encore featuring a song called Dirty Tricks (either an unreleased song or a common thread in their improv) and Testure. This time around Ogre added some new lyrics
to the intro to Testure, partially improvised. At at least one show they also played Spasmolytic during the encore.

Setlist: Intro / Addiction / Love In Vein / The Choke / Harsh Stone White / Improv / Tin Omen / Worlock / Knowhere? / Anger / Improv / VX Gas Attack / Second Tooth / Killing Game / Circustance / Left Hand Shake / Encore: Improv\Dirty Tricks / Testure

=The Process=

=Brap=

-What does Brap mean?

According to the Brap liner notes Brap is basically the term cEvin and
co. use for "getting high and recording". Alternatively its the name used for
their live improvisation and, more generally, the term for their creation of
music in general. For this reason Brap is sometimes used to mean the
"genre" that all of their music falls under. The track on Remission titled
Brap is probably either an example of in-studio improv, or the track that
they took the name from. An improvisation (using Draining Faces as the
basis) appears on the live album Ain't It Dead Yet? under the name Brap.

-What exactly are all of these tracks on Brap? Live? Demos? Wtf?

Here it goes:

Disk 1 (Back and Forth vol. 3)

1. (multimedia)
2. Jackhammer: demo
3. Splasher: demo
4. Double Cross: demo
5. Yo Yo Scrape: demo, with vocals by cEvin!
6. Carry: demo
7. Guilty: demo
8. The Soul That Creates: demo, with vocals taken from My Voice Sounds Like
Shit
9. Brap: a live improvisation from Basel, Switzerland at Geigerzahler 1986 using
the track from Remission as the basis. The full show can be found as a bootleg
and on the bootleg CD Fractal Zoom.
10. Sparkless: demo
11. Dead Doll: demo of the track from Bites
12. Deadlines: demo of the track from Bites
13. Last Call: live version of from the 9/26/86 CBC Brave New Waves radio show.
The full show is available as a bootleg. It happens to be damn good.

Disk 2 (Back and Forth vol. 4)

1. (multimedia)
2. Uranus Canceled: a different version of the track Knowhere? from Last
Rights
3. All Eyes: a live improvisation from the Too Dark Park tour. Part of this track
can be found, along with other improv, as part of Walking On Ice from
the Spasmolytic single.
4. Reclamation: live from Too Dark Park tour
5. Spasmolytic: possibly a live in-studio demo take, with vocals added later
6. Grave Wisdom: a less finished version of the track. Also appears on the
Nettwerk Decadence boxed set as Grave Wisdom (alternate version)
7. Tin Omen: the first part of this track is live from the (crappy) CD bootleg
Heaven's Trash. The second part is a pro recorded live version.
8. God's Gift: live from Too Dark Park tour
9. Convulsion: live from Too Dark Park tour
10. Nature's Revenge: possibly an alternate studio version?
11. Love In Vein: remix from the planned, but unreleased, single
12. T.F.W.O.: live version from Too Dark Park tour
13. Choralone: live version from Too Dark Park tour

-Why is the tracklist on Brap reversed?

It was an attempt by Nettwerk to play on the Back and Forth concept.
Backwards and Forwards, get it? For the record, the tracklist for disk 1
(vol.3) appears on the right side, while the tracklist for disk 2 (vol.4) appears
on the left.

-What's with all these different versions of Brap?

A month or two before Nettwerk released Brap with multimedia content, an
early version, without multimedia and with a version of Left Hand Shake, was
released on Offbeat in Europe. This is commonly referred to as "Euro-Brap".
After Brap was released by Nettwerk domestically, Offbeat rereleased Brap,
this time supposedly with a hologram cover, without Left Hand Shake and
with the multimedia content. This is commonly referred to as "Digi-Brap"

-What's with this hole in the right side of the Brap digipak? Was there
supposed to be a booklet in there?

Nopers. According to Nettwerk that was just a byproduct of the
manufacturing process.

-I've heard there are secrets on the Brap CD-ROM, where?

One secret can be found on disk 1 (vol. 3) in the TDP monster screen which
you start at. Zoom in as close as possible on the stars above the monster-
face's head. At the center of one of these stars your icon will change to a hand
and you can click on it, taking you to a hidden area. The clickable region is very
small so it make some trying to find it.

Another "secret" can be found on disk 2 (vol. 4). Under certain conditions
you can click on the window in the room (even though your icon doesn't
change to a hand...) and discover a small secret. Or maybe its not supposed to
be secret?

-Wait a minute, these dates on the Brap CD-ROM clips don't sound right...

Some of the dates for the live clips on disc 2 (vol. 4) are surely incorrect. In
addition, some of the clips use material from different shows edited
together. The '84 K-9 performance is rumored to be footage from the very
first Puppy show ever.

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-Miscellaneous Questions
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-I heard Skinny Puppy were in a movie. Is this true?

Yep. Ogre, cEvin, and Dwayne appear in a very brief cameo as a gang of
thugs early in the movie The Doom Generation. It is an extremely quick
scene and you can barely make out the band, if at all. During the filming of
this scene cEvin fell (off a car) and broke his arm among other injuries.

-I heard there's a song called Ode To Groovy. Where is it?

Ode To Groovy was a track released on the first volume of an animal rights benefit
compilation called In Defense Of Animals. While it is credited to Skinny Puppy, it is
actually just Ogre and Rave. A text piece by Ogre was also included with the comp.

-I heard of a bootleg called Intolerance. What's up with it?

Intolerance is a CD bootleg which is not, by any means,what it says it is. It is not the last
Puppy show as it claims. It is from a 6/18/92 Miami show. The audio is taken from a more
complete video bootleg of that show. Intolerance also has a bunch of extra tracks which,
while they claim to be unreleased, are stolen from commercially available releases. The
only other interesting things present are a studio version of Left Hand Shake (which was
made from a dub...) and some strange Charlie-esque rant before live part of the dic starts.
It is supposedly a limited edition of 2000, but it is not known if this is true. Some copies
included an embossed metal SP logo. I do not recommend buying this bootleg which
seems tailored to steal from the band. Instead, track down the full 6/18/92 video and buy
the commercial releases.

The track listing (as it actually appears):
-----------------------------------
1 Manson rant?
Live from 6/18/92 Miami:
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2 Tin Omen
3 Worlock
4 VX Gas Attack
5 Second Tooth
6 Left Hand Shake
7 Brap-Improv / Testure
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Studio:
8 Left Hand Shake (studio)
9 Cage*+
10 Stairs and Flowers (Too Far Gone)*+
11 Tin Omen (Reload)*%
12 Spahn Dirge (Live)#

* claims to be an unreleased version of the song, but it is in fact the version I have listed...
+ from Chainsaw single/EP
% from Tin Omen single/EP
# from Rabies CD and Tin Omen single/EP

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-The Videos-
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-What official Puppy videos exist?

In addition to the live video and album called Ain't It Dead Yet?, there are
promotional videos for Smothered Hope, Far Too Frail, Dig it, Stairs and
Flowers, Testure, Worlock, Spasmolytic, Killing Game, Candle, Curcible,
and Hardset Head. All of these videos except for Worlock and the Process
videos (Candle, Curcible, and Hardset Head) appear on the official Video
Compilation, which also includes Deep Down Trauma Hounds from the
Ain't It Dead Yet? video, and some very short audio-less clips from the
Last Rights tour. Clips of the videos also appear on the Brap CD-ROM. It
should be noted that two versions of Worlock and Testure exist, an X rated
and an R rated version. The version of Testure which appears on the
Nettwerk Compilation is the R rated version. Also, the version of
Spasmolytic which appears on the compilation omits the title screen and
credits which are available on bootleg versions. (credits are available below)

-Why isn't Worlock included on the Video Compilation?

Here's the info straight from Nettwerk:

WHY ISN'T WORLOCK INCLUDED ON THE SKINNY PUPPY VIDEO
COMPILATION?

The video for "Worlock" was comprised of numerous (over 80 in fact) clips
that were cut out of horror films by various classification boards. It is
a non-stop gore-fest that was immediately banned by every video station
that had ever seen the video, as well as any border crossing guards
anywhere in the world. The video is considered pornographic for this
reason.

That's the first reason it's not included on the video release.

The second reason concerns the sheer mountain of legal paperwork that
would be required in order to get approval from every single director of
the over 50 movies that the clips were taken from. There is simply no way
for anybody to get a clearance to release this video in any form. Even if
we were able to get legal approval to use all the clips that are contained
in the video, we would be disallowed from ever shipping a copy anywhere in
the world due to the content. Complete catch-22.

So that is why the video for "Worlock" doesn't appear on the Skinny Puppy
video compilation. It's been a 4-year battle in the attempt to get that
video released in some form. It just isn't possible to do.

But the rest of the videos which do make an appearance are mostly
first-timers as far as anybody seeing them and a lot of the fans who are
quite familiar with the "Worlock" situation are still pretty happy to see
these videos being made available to the fans of the band.

(thanks to Dead Shot for transcribing this)

-What films are used in the Worlock video?

Here is a shot-by-shot transcription of the video generously written by Kevin Lewis. A list
of just the movies appears below.

The B&W shot of a guy reaching out to pull a lever -ERASERHEAD
Then there's another B&W clip of that guy -ERASERHEAD
The red lips in blue light talking -TENEBRAE
The clips of a masked man twitching about in a chair -DEATH WARMED UP
Then there is a real fast clip of an extreme close-up on a ravens eye -OPERA
The silhouette of a police man head -MANIAC COP
Lips again (blue lighting) -TENEBRAE
Bandaged head gets a scalpel in the eye -DEAD AND BURIED/?FACELESS?
Close up of part of the skull being removed exposing a slimy brain -DEATH
WARMED UP
Eyeball being poked out -THE BEYOND
Anatomical drawing on the optic orb -RE-ANIMATOR
Flesh ripping apart -FROM BEYOND
Fast clips of hallucinatory scene from -ALTERED STATES
Zit -DEMONS
Naked guy in white room in fetal position -DEATH WARMED UP
Hand getting stabbed w/ soldering iron -HENRY
Hallucinatory scenes (cross) from -ALTERED STATES
Outtakes from the video for STAIRS & FLOWERS
Smoke expanding and then reversing -RE-ANIMATOR
Fast clip of an inferno from -ALTERED STATES
CU of a girls eyes looking about (I don't know this one), but there is footage
super imposed over it of Peter Jackson (director) as Derek falling off a cliff
in -BAD TASTE.
Shot of elevator descending down from -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
TV smashed over a guys head from -HENRY ("plug it in, Otis.")
Mouth opening with metal teeth -LUTHER THE GEEK
Repeating shot of spinning white padded walls -DEATH WARMED UP
Really fast clip of flames bursting center screen -ALTERED STATES
Repeating shot of knife rising -DEEP RED
Repeating shot of knife stabbing down -DEEP RED
Red liquid poured dumped into the sink -SUSPIRIA
Meat spinning -PARENTS
The guy getting his head cut in half by a power saw -INTRUDER
Letterboxed scene of a little girl (zombie now) getting shot in the head (cut
well to the beat) is from THE BEYOND.
Letterboxed scene of girl caught in barbed wire -SUSPIRIA
Letterboxed scene bloody girl getting hung by a telephone wire -SUSPIRIA
Shot of a gloved hand grabbing on to a machete -BAD TASTE
Man getting stabbed in the neck/jaw by a large knife -OPERA
CU of knife blade in mans mouth -OPERA
Then that crazy guy shooting his shotgun, blowing up a lamp -DEATH WARMED UP
The silhouette of a man being ripped apart by like four others -RE-ANIMATOR
Meat -?PARENTS?
Flash snap shots of bloody bodies & a CU of a paranoid man -DEATH WARMED UP
Meat -?PARENTS?
Rip off poor saps head with the spine attached & bloody floor clip -BAD TASTE
Dying girls hand slowly slide down -TENEBRAE
Light bulb breaking via razor blade -TENEBRAE
Video footage of an older man kissing a bound girl who shrugs to get away (this
shot replays like four times) -FROM BEYOND
The above clips inter cuts with the scene of the lips talking under blue
lighting, again -TENEBRAE
Blood on the Beatles (standees) car window -BAD TASTE
Hand cuffs being removed from bloody hands (broken thumbs) -PHENOMENA
Woman's hacked off arm spurts out blood and paints the walls red (groovy)
-TENEBRAE
Heart getting stabbed, letterboxed -SUSPIRIA
Thumbs being broken on bloody cuffed hands -PHENOMENA
Jennifer Connally drowning in a pool of mud and maggots -PHENOMENA
CU of rotting flesh in that pool of mud and maggots -PHENOMENA
CU of a drain -SUSPIRIA
Bandaged quivering hand -???FACELESS???
Guy being shoved into his white padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Quick clip of hallucinatory scene -ALTERED STATES
Shotgun being fired -DEATH WARMED UP
Womans face being smashed through glass -SUSPIRIA
Shotgun being fired -DEATH WARMED UP
CU of eye behind needles -OPERA
Neck being slit open -SUSPIRIA
Zoom into an open eye -SUSPIRIA
Insane man screaming through a gate -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Zoom in on a man sitting in the corner of a padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Clip of a comb (w/handle) grabbed off the carper & the comb handle stabbing
into Otis' eye & the bottle being smashed over Michael -HENRY
CU of a drain, again -SUSPIRIA
Metal teeth being filed -LUTHER THE GEEK
Meat being pushed through a meat grinder -PARENTS
CU of a womans eye as a tear streams down her cheek -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Man in a straight jacket screaming with what looks like inverted color -DEATH
WARMED UP
Mutant zit explodes on the neck -DEMONS
Zombie and all four grabbing out -RE-ANIMATOR
Aliens head getting cut in half via chainsaw -BAD TASTE
Screaming in that padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Woman getting scalped -DEMONS
Razor slashing upon a maggot infested chest -HELLRAISER II:
HELLBOUND
Guts plopping to the ground at the feet -BAD TASTE
Freaking out in that fucking padded cell -DEATH WARMED UP
Zoom out of an eye -HELLRAISER II: HELLBOUND
Hallucinatory scene (with the crucifix) -ALTERED STATES
The B&W shot of a guy reaching out (to pull a lever) -ERASERHEAD

The films:

Bad Taste
Maniac 2 (it was only a half hour promo for the film, the final film was never
completed because Joe -maniac- Spinell died)
Death Warmed Up
Hellbound: Hellraiser II
Intruder
Luther The Geek
Eraserhead
Re-Animator
From Beyond
Parents
Henry: Portrait Of A Serial Killer
Altered States
Combat Shock
The Beyond
Phenomena
Tenebrae
Demons
Opera
Deep Red
Suspiria

Another interesting point is that the sound during the "Restricted/X" intro before the
video is a sample from the movie Videodrome's title shot.

Special thanks to Kevin Lewis for this section.


-What are the Spasmolytic credits?

Skinny Puppy: Ogre, cEvin Key, D. Rudolph Goettel
Directed by Jim Vanbebber
Produced by Gary Blair Smith
Co-Produced by Mark R.G. Yoshihara
Written by Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith, Jim Vanbebber
Director of Photography: Danny Nowak
Production Designer: Al Benjamin
Special Make-Up Effects: Tim Gore
Editors: Jim Vanbebber, Kevin Ogilvie, Gary Blair Smith
On-line Editor: William J. Morrison
First Assistant Director: Gary Harvey
Special Effects: Al Benjamin, Ray Reedyk
Special Make Up Effects Assistant: Charlie Grant
Make-Up and Hair: David Jones
Wardrobe: Tracey Pincott
Property Master: Ray Reedyk
Art Department and Special Effects Assistant: Lionel Huppie
"Chair Of No Cares"
Concept: Ogre
Design and Construction: Ray Reedyk
"Stilt-Man"
Concept: Ogre
Design and Construction: Robert Comer
Title Graphics and Art: Jim Cummins
Gaffer: Shawn Milstead
Key Grip: Sandy Hegyi
Focus Puller: Mark Zagar
Clapper Loader: Nick Watson
Camera Assistant: Mike Chisolm
Trainee Camera Assistant: Christina Kasperczyk
Castin: Sue Brouse
Craft Service: Darci John
Best Boy: Nat Chase
Studio Manager: Bruce Beaulac
Wardrobe Assistant: Greg Clow
Gregor's Costume Design: Nick Newcombe
Trainee Assitant Director: Vince Coates
Wrap Crew: Tom Benny, Ryan Monroe, Donald Riggan, Vince Coates, Kevin O'Leary,
Mark Volsin, Mark Westhauer
Cast:
Gregor: Ogre
Minister: D. Rudolph Goettel
Postman: cEvin Key
Heroin: Shannon Keir
Stockdoc 1: Rave
Bride: Corrine Iles
Groom: Kevin Lesminster
Corporate Slug: Derek Peakman
Landlord: Dalton Fisher
Stockdoc 2: Greg Sykes
Stockdoc 3: Louise Jackson
Lighting, Grip Equipment, and Studio Supplied by William F. White
Camera Equipment Supplied by P.P.L. Camera Corporation
Filmstock Supplied by AFGA/ Western Imperial Magnetics Ltd., Kimberly Schneider
Costumes and Wardrobes Supplied by S&M Costumes Inc.
Catering Provided by Peppermint Pate, Carol Simick
Insurance Provided by Sedgewick James, Bob Adams
Stock Processing and Cleaning Provided by Gastwon Film Labs Inc., Dave Harden
Stock Transfer Provided by Gastown Post and Transfer
Monitors Provided by Granada Canada, Ray Stanton
Edited Facilities Provided by Lapost!, Larry Huber
Special Thanks To The Following:
Shane Lunny Productions
Blue Wave Productions
Brenda Collins
Anna
Kathy Benjamin
Curtis Petersen
Sincere Thanks to Chas. Balum and Chopper for Chopping Off Our Heads


-I just watched Far Too Frail...wtf?

Apparently, after shooting the footage for Smothered Hope, the band decided
to do an intentionally bad video for Far Too Frail using the same footage. The
result is nothing less than hilarious.

-What fan made videos exist?

There are many videos made by fans, including Addiction, Deadlines (2
versions), laHuman8, The Choke, Harsh Stone White (live from Spasmolytic single), (more to come). There are also alternate versions of the Official videos, probably done by fans, including Smothered Hope and Dig It. The Deadlines fan-made video was, for s
ome unknown reason, included along with the official videos on the Brap CD-ROM. (Any
info for this section would be greatly appreciated)

-What is this Too Dark Park backing video I hear about?

The backing film used by the band for the Too Dark Park tour has been leaked
out as a video bootleg. The bootleg includes the entire backing film with the
exception of Rash Reflection, along with the bands audio backing tape. The
video floating around for Rash Reflection is most probably the backing film
used for that song along with the audio of the album version of the song. Many of the films have been set to the album version of the corresponding song to make a "fan
video" for the song.

-So is there a Last Rights backing video bootleg as well?

Yep. Its not as common as the TDP video, though. A good chunk of the
footage is from the Killing Game video shoot. Also, the audio on this
bootleg is just the entire Last Rights album and the first four songs off of
Too Dark Park, not live or backing tape material.

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-Other Projects and Bands-
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=Subconscious Communications=

-What is Subconscious Communications?

Subconscious Communications began as a record label initiated by Dwayne
in order to release his aDuck 12" (then named Subconscious Records.) After the breakup of Skinny Puppy, cEvin and Dwayne revived it as a label to encompass all of their new releases. Subconscious Communications is not a subdivision or imprint of Nettwerk
, Cleopatra, or any other label. It is a label which uses those and other record labels for distribution. Subconscious exists as a studio and remix/film score team as well.

-What is Paradigm Shift?

Paradigm Shift is a compilation of Subconscious Communications' projects
along with some other related tracks. It includes the tracks Power and Touched
from the original and out of print Subconscious 12" released by Dwayne's solo
project, aDuck, and Philth. While Philth's track was called My Heart Has Been
Touched By Christ on the original 12", the music was not changed for this
compilation on which it is just called Touched. All of the other material on this
album is previously unreleased, including tracks by Download, Doubting
Thomas, The Tear Garden, Dead Voices On Air, Plateau, Skinny Puppy, Kone,
and aDuck.

=Download=

-What is Download?

Download is a project which grew out of cEvin and Dwayne's jam sessions
during the recording of the Process. These jam sessions involved friends
like DJ Philth and Mark Spybey. Download, named after the track on Last
Rights, is now cEvin's full time project. Two albums, two EPs, and a
Soundtrack have been released. The band lineup continues to morph, and
has included participation from Ken Marshall and Anthony Valcic (both
long time Puppy friends and engineers), Genesis P-Orridge, and Ryan
Moore (as a guest on the live tour). Mark Spybey left the band in April.
A new album, simply called III, and two EPs, called Moth and Resilient, should be released sometime this Fall. A tour should follow.

-What is this Charlie's Family soundtrack I've heard about?

Charlie's Family is an as of yet unreleased film directed by Puppy friend Jim
VanBebber (who directed the Spasmolytic video). Download released a
soundtrack in a limited edition of 2000 to help finance the films release. The
soundtrack was only available on the bands '96 tour and through Nettwerk mail
order. This soundtrack is planned to be re-released by Metropolis this summer,
with the music remaining identical but the packaging changing to a digipak with
a slightly altered cover.

-What is Chunkblower and where can I get the soundtrack?

Chunkblower was a film by Jim Vanbebber which was never made. Only a
trailer (which can be seen, in part, on the Brap CD-ROM) was produced.
The project was scrapped when the horror movie market fell apart. cEvin and
Dwayne were to have recorded the soundtrack, but since the film was ever
made, the soundtrack was never released and likely never produced. One cool
aspect of the trailer is that it features Dwayne and Bill Leeb as the burning
victims. Dwayne is even referred to as Squelch (as in Squelch Songs).

-I heard Download released a track on a CD with some magazine, is this true?

Yes, they released a track called I Still Ate Her on a CD which came with issue
47 of the European magazine Future Music, which contained and interview
with cEvin.

-Why is Outafter dedicated to Brandon Lee?

When the Crow film was being made, Skinny Puppy were asked to contribute the main theme to the soundtrack. cEvin and Dwayne composed a track, and Brandon supposedly loved it. Ogre, however, thought the track was too "technoy" to be Skinny Puppy. The track
was left unreleased until it finally appeared as Outafter on the Download album The Eyes Of Stanley Pain. It is interesting that both Dwayne and Brandon Lee died leaving work unfinished which was completed and came "Out After" their death's.

-What is that voice saying in The Eyes Of Stanley Pain?

This voice that apparently popped up during a Download session and after warping it they decided it was saying "Eyes Of Stanley Pain" and named the album after it. Its an open playing field, however, and there are other phrases spoken by the voice, so tak
e the proverbial ball and run with it.

-This Papa Papa Mula CWM track sounds familiar...so does the name...

The Papa Papa Mula CWM track on Microscopic is one of a few similarly named tracks on Mark Spybey's projects. The "Papa Papa" name refers to tracks which use the same rhythm pattern. Papa Papa Bata Kolm appears on Dead Voices On Air's Hafted Maul and Papa
Papa Repe Wax appears on DVOA's Shap.

=aDuck=

-What is aDuck?

aDuck was Dwayne's solo project. aDuck released an out of print 12" called
Power (with a B-side by Philth) which is reprinted on Paradigm Shift (see
above). Another aDuck track, Burnout, appears on this compilation as well. An
aDuck track called Phenethylamine Backwash was also included on a
compilation produced by FLA's Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulber. cEvin plans on
releasing some more of Dwayne's material in the future as a full aDuck
album.

=Doubting Thomas=

-What is Doubting Thomas?

Doubting Thomas is a side project of cEvin and Dwayne. The music was
best described as "soundtracks for movies that never existed". There was
an album (The Infidel) and companion single (Father Don't Cry) released
on WaxTrax!. The single is now out of print, but is tentatively scheduled
for re-release with new material on Metropolis this summer. There is
supposedly a new release, including unreleased old and more recent
material, on the way (this release may have been replaced with the Father
Don't Cry re-release...more to come). Two Doubting Thomas tracks appear
on the compilation Paradigm Shift. Also of note is that there is some other
band called Doubting Thomas with absolutely no relation to this project.

=The Tear Garden/The Legendary Pink Dots=

-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to The Tear Garden? What about the
Legendary Pink Dots?

The Tear Garden is a Side Project of Skinny Puppy and The Legendary Pink
Dots. It began when cEvin, a huge fan of the Dots, sent them a photo collage
of all the LPD releases he was able to find. They began corresponding, even
before SP was born, and eventually, Edward Ka-Spel (singer of LPD) toured
with Skinny Puppy, opening for the band with his solo performance. cEvin was
his sound engineer for this tour, and this resulted in the first Tear Garden
sessions. These sessions (which involved just cEvin and Edward, produced by Rave) gave birth to their self-titled debut EP/cassette. One of the songs was a new version of the Skinny Puppy track Centre Bullet, this time with Edward on vocals. The band
reconvened in '87, this time with Dwayne, Rave, Lee Salford, and even Ogre
joining in, and recorded the album Tired Eyes Slowly Burning. After a long
hiatus the Tear Garden reformed, with the lineup of cEvin, Dwayne, Rave, Ryan
Moore, and the entire Pink Dots band, and recorded the album Last Man To Fly
and the EP Sheila Liked the Rodeo. Ryan, who had been working with cEvin in
Hilt, got along so well with the Pink Dots crew that he has been a member of
LPD ever since. Much of the Sheila Liked The Rodeo EP was improvised in the studio when the band members were not even aware that they were being recorded. The band once again got together in late '95 and recorded To Be An Angel Blind, The Crippled Soul D
ivide. Unfortunately this album was recorded after Dwayne's death. It featured cEvin, Anthony Valcic, all the Pink Dots including new member Niels Van Hornblower, and a variety of guests. Mark Spybey appears on the track Malice Through The Looking Glass.
Two other tracks from these sessions appear on the Paradigm Shift compilation. It is rumored that cEvin and Edward are working on some new material currently, and that there will be a few limited live shows soon. In addition to The Tear Garden, cEvin app
ears on the LPD releases 9 Lives To Wonder (which features a thank you to "undernourished small dogs") and Chemical Playschool vol. 8 and 9. cEvin will be playing with LPD live at their LA, San Francisco, and San Diego shows on their current tour.

=Hilt/The Flu/Lee Chubby King=

-What is Hilt? The Flu? Lee Chubby King?

Hilt is a punkish band involving cEvin, Dwayne, Al Nelson, Lee Salford,
Don Harrison, Rave, Ryan Moore, and even Ogre. cEvin and Al "Chubby"
Nelson were in a band together years ago called Illegal Youth (the name
was originally No Exit, but when another band popped up with that name,
they changed it). Al later became Puppy's live film man. Hilt released two
albums, two singles, and an EP. cEvin has said there's lots more Hilt
material that may one day be released. A new Hilt release called The Worst
Of... is tentatively planned. The Flu was an earlier band which grew into
Hilt, featuring at least cEvin and Al, and which only released a cassette
album in Sweden. Copies of this album are floating around as a bootleg.
Some other cassette material has recently popped up as a bootleg claiming to be a Flu album called Patsy : A Collection of Absolute Insanity By The Fly. Its supposedly volumes 5 and 6 in an 8 volume set called the In My Head Tape Series (which is otherwis
e unreleased). More to come on this material. Lee Chubby King was a little rap parody with cEvin, Al, and Lee Salford. The name was a play on the band members names. "Lee" Salford, Al "Chubby" Nelson, and cEvin a.k.a. "Kenny King". Lee Chubby King
released a 12" single of the tracks Yo Pusface and Yo Pusdub.

=Plateau=

-What is Plateau?

Plateau is a new project featuring Philth, cEvin, and Anthony Valcic. The
concept for this band was apparently born out of the '96 Download tour,
which included stop overs in the hash bars of lovely Amsterdam. During the North American leg of the tour, at a planned Orlando show, cEvin was busted for Marijuana possession. This incident lead to the concept of a band for the legalization of pot. An al
bum called Music For Grassbars was recently released and a double A-side single for the songs Dutch Flowers and White Widow is also out now on both vinyl and CD. Plateau's debut track, Grasshopper, appears on the Subconscious Compilation Paradigm Shift. M
ore Plateau is expected in the future. Some Plateau material was performed live by Download at the '96/'97 New Years Eve show.

=cEvin Key solo=

-I heard cEvin is releasing solo material. Is this true?

Yep. cEvin is releasing an album called Music Fur Cats, consisting of
material that his cats enjoy. It will be released on Metropolis later this year.

=Cyberaktif /Front Line Assembly=

-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Cyberaktif and Front Line Assembly?

Bill Leeb of FLA was a member of Skinny Puppy (under the name Wilhelm
Schroder), playing bass synth predominantly, during the Bites/Mind:TPI eras
and called it quits right before they went on tour for Mind:TPI. Dwayne then
replaced him. Bill, cEvin and Dwayne joined forces a few years later and put out
some records under the name Cyberaktif, including an album (Tenebrae Vision)
and two singles (Nothing Stays and Temper), all released on WaxTrax! Blixa
Bargel of Einstuerzende Neubauten also participated in Cyberaktif. According
to both Leeb and cEvin, this project will never record another release.

=A Chud Convention=

-What is A Chud Convention?

A Chud Convention was a one-off project that involved Skinny Puppy
(before Dwayne joined) and a;GRUMH. It basically involved the two bands
screwing around in the studio while "coming down off a weird high." A
12" of these sessions was released, called Sorrow, containing two tracks,
Patient Sorrow and Silent Sorrow. Puppy, and possibly a;GRUMH as well,
didn't want to release this due to its oddball nature and questionable sound
quality, so the release was probably done by a third party.

=Hell O' Deth Day=

-What is Hell O' Deth Day?

Hell O' Deth Day was another one off project that Ogre and cEvin created in
order to open for Chris and Cosey during the early days of Skinny Puppy. Some
of the material for this project was released on the Remission and Bites albums,
including tracks like Film, Love, Falling, Social Deception, and Centre Bullet.
cEvin says that there is a bunch of material from these sessions which remains
unreleased. Because this style was popular in Europe at the time, many of these
tracks were used on the European versions of Bites, resulting in many different
versions of the album with many different tracks. All the tracks from all the
different versions of Bites, with the one exception of Cage, are compiled on the
'93 CD release of Bites.

=The Lung Goblins=

-What is The Lung Goblins?

The Lung Goblins is an as-of-yet unreleased project featuring cEvin, Dwayne, and Philth. It was a jazzy style project which actually had Philth on guitar and vocals. It may or may not ever see the light of day...

=cEvin's Pre-Puppy Work=

-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Images In Vogue?

Images In Vogue was a fairly big Canadian synth-pop band in the early '80s. cEvin was
drummer for the band, and some of their released material includes him (under his real
name Kevin Crompton). The band also included Glen Nelson (brother of Al Nelson, see
question on Hilt), Joe Vizvary, Gary Smith (who later became a film producer who
worked with Jim Vanbebber, see question on Charlie's Family and Chunkblower), Don
Gordan (who later left and formed the band Numb), and Dale Martindale. As the band
progressed, cEvin became increasingly disgusted with being in a pop band. This lead to his
formation of a project which was the complete anti-thesis of pop. This project eventually
became Skinny Puppy. On the day of the release of Bites, cEvin quit Images In Vogue and
Puppy became his full time project.

-What was The Fuck Brothers?

Supposedly, the Fuck Brothers was cEvin's first band. When he was 13, his
parents forced to have get a haircut, which ended up horrendous. cEvin
rebelled by forming the Fuck Brothers with his friend, Dick Hardy, and then
recorded an "album" the same day on an eight-track tape. They recorded a
second album "Live at Istanbul" (inserting crowd noise between songs)
over a Tangerine Dream eight-track. Someone stole the tape, apparently
thinking they were getting Tangerine Dream. I, personally, refuse to believe
that anyone named Dick Hardy really exists and thus question the whole
story. Truthfully, if your name was Richard Hardy would you call yourself
Dick? Dick Hardy? Ah, but I digress...

=Mark Spybey/DeadVoices On Air=

-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Mark Spybey and Dead Voices On Air?

Mark Spybey's solo project, Dead Voices On Air, featured cEvin as a guest
from time to time. Mark Spybey was also a member of Download, but left the
band recently and is not involved with their new album. cEvin participated in
some of DVOA's live shows during which they played some Download
material. Download also played some DVOA material on their '96 tour.

=Ministry/Revolting Cocks/PTP=

-What is Skinny Puppy's relation to Ministry, Revolting Cocks, and PTP?

Al Jourgensen of Ministry co-produced and performed on the Rabies album,
and Ogre did backing vocals and some writing on the Ministry album The
Mind is a terrible thing to taste. He also toured with Ministry a number of
times and appears in the live video and album In Case You Didn't Feel Like
Showing Up. When Ogre was on tour with them, Ministry often performed
the Skinny Puppy track Smothered Hope. One version of this appears as the
B-side to Ministry's Burning Inside 12". According to cEvin, Jourgensen
wanted Ogre to be a permanent vocalist for his Revolting Cocks project at
one point. Due to Ogre and Al's "falling out" Ogre sang only on a few tracks.
The first incarnation of Ogre's project W.E.L.T. involved Al and Ogre working
together as a duo. This lineup fell apart, but one track from this era, called
Noreen, is floating around in bootleg form. This track was later used by Al as
the basis for the Ministry song The Fall. Interestingly enough Ogre and Al
traded tattoos, Ogre getting a RevCo symbol and Al a W.E.L.T. symbol. Al's
project called PTP is also rumored to have recorded a track with Ogre on
vocals. It was called Show Me Your Spine and is used in the movie Robocop
but was never released (on a soundtrack or otherwise). The only PTP music
that was released, the single Rubber Glove Seduction, does not feature Ogre.
Ogre doesn't remember taking any part in this project at all, but admits that the
period was a drug haze so, who knows?

=Mutual Mortuary=

-What is Mutual Mortuary?

Mutual Mortuary was a collaboration between Ogre and Bill Leeb, back when
he was still a member of Puppy. Its not known exactly who did what, Leeb
claiming he did it all except the vocals, provided by Ogre, and Ogre claiming
that he did just about everything for Leeb. The project was unfinished, with only
two tracks having vocals, when Leeb sent it off to a European record label. The
project was rejected, but the label used the two songs with vocals on their
compilation Insane Music For Insane People. According to Ogre, Leeb kept all
the money from the project, resulting in Ogre plastering posters all over
Vancouver with the slogan W.E.L.T. : Wilhelm Eats Lunch Today. The two
published tracks are findable as bootlegs.

=W.E.L.T.=

-What is W.E.L.T.?

W.E.L.T is a long running name Ogre has used for a variety of projects, none of
which have ever been released. The name originated as Ogre's reaction to
Mutual Mortuary (see above). Later Ogre and Al Jourgensen adopted it as their
project together, this time referring to it as When Everyone Learns the Truth.
When Ogre and Al had a falling out, this project disintegrated. One track from
these sessions called Noreen appeared as a bootleg, though. Al later revamped
this track and used it as Ministry's The Fall. Ogre later revived W.E.L.T. as a
project with Raven, from Killing Joke. This lineup also fell apart when Raven
went and got a publishing deal based upon what was then just a verbal
agreement. Raven apparently wanted Ogre to do some vocals on already
finished music, which Ogre decided against. Most recently, W.E.L.T. became
Ogre's post-Skinny Puppy project with Mark Walk. An album was
supposedly completed but never appeared, reportedly due to legal troubles. (see above
question on Ogre)


-I heard Ogre did the soundtrack to the Descent 2 computer game, is this true?

Yes, at least partially. One source says that Ogre and Mark Walk did all of
the tracks except for track 9, which was done by Type O Negative. Other sources say
Ogre and Mark Walk only did 2 tracks. There is quite a bit of conflicting info on this
soundtrack. It should also be noted that this soundtrack only appears on the CD version of
Descent 2. The floppy disk and downloadable demo versions feature a MIDI sequence
soundtrack not involving Ogre. Also, a new version of the game has appeared claiming on
the packaging "all new soundtrack" and the soundtrack to the Playstation version is
supposedly different. Any definitive info on any of these releases would be greatly
appreciated.

-I saw some band named Welt's album called Better Days. Is this Ogre's
project?

No. This is a completely unrelated band.

=Pigface=

-What are Skinny Puppy's relations to Pigface?

Pigface is a sort of supergroup with a rotating lineup involving just about
everyone and their brother. Ogre has been a consistent contributor to
Pigface, doing vocals and touring with them. Pigface's "main guy" is Martin
Atkins who, being a friend of Ogre, was brought in to produce The Process
after Roli Mossiman (sp?) was kicked out. cEvin and Dwayne did not get
along with Martin and eventually he was axed as well. It was through
Atkins that Ogre met Mark Walk, with whom he is/was working on
W.E.L.T. Dwayne and cEvin also supposedly contributed to Pigface at one time or another, but it is not known how.

=Ritalin=

-What is Ritalin?

Ritalin is a new project of Ogre and Martin Atkins being recorded this summer. Its
supposedly very different from most of their previous work but with similarities to the
Pigface track Insemination.

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