Question about Sailor Saturn...
le...@my-deja.com
appeared only in "Sailor Stars," the final anime season, but it wasn't
a definitive source. Did Sailor Saturn appear in "Sailor Stars"? Was
there ever any reference to her in any of the four prevous TV seasons?
Or is she just a manga character?
Thanks.
le...@my-deja.com
in the U.S.? I have a vague idea of why (too dark, too sexually
ambiguous, etc.), but is there an authoritative answer anywhere? Did
anyone ever give an official reason for it?
Thanks.
Lyrical Nanoha
Brief appearance in S, minor supporting role in Stars.
-uso.
Chris Kern
There is no authoritative answer. The most likely answer, as in
almost every case of this kind, is that the potential companies did
not think it would be worth the money to bring the series to the US.
There are rumors that Takahashi has basically disowned Stars due to
changes from the manga and would not allow a dub to be made, but I
find this a little hard to believe. (I don't find it hard to believe
that Takahashi dislikes the Stars anime, but it's rare for a mangaka
to go so far as to actually block a dub or release of a series, and I
don't even know if she would have the unilateral rights over the anime
necessary to prevent that.)
I don't think the dark nature of Stars would have been a barrier given
that they managed S. The starlights might have been harder to deal
with but I am absolutely convinced that the dubbers would have found a
way to get around it if they thought it was financially viable to
bring the series out.
-Chris
Joel Fischoff (Agent)
The various incarnations of Saturn-chan - which is to say, Tomoe Hotaru,
Sailorsaturn, and Mistress Nine - appear in both the S series and the Stars
series.
Joel
Sunnie
> On 18 Aug 2006 12:28:37 -0700, le...@my-deja.com posted the following:
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>>I just thought of another question. Why was "Sailor Stars" never shown
>>in the U.S.? I have a vague idea of why (too dark, too sexually
>>ambiguous, etc.), but is there an authoritative answer anywhere? Did
>>anyone ever give an official reason for it?
>
>
> There is no authoritative answer. The most likely answer, as in
> almost every case of this kind, is that the potential companies did
> not think it would be worth the money to bring the series to the US.
>
> There are rumors that Takahashi has basically disowned Stars due to
> changes from the manga and would not allow a dub to be made, but I
> find this a little hard to believe. (I don't find it hard to believe
> that Takahashi dislikes the Stars anime, but it's rare for a mangaka
> to go so far as to actually block a dub or release of a series, and I
> don't even know if she would have the unilateral rights over the anime
> necessary to prevent that.)
I think you mean Takeuchi. ^_-
Anyway, that's the most recent rumor I've heard. I can't help but
wonder if that didn't start happening around the time we couldn't get
episode 67 either (wasn't that also due to her not liking it?)
Also, Toei has a bit to do with this. They're certainly the reason the
rights aren't in the US anymore. Basically, they were trying to start
their own US-side distribution, but screwed up royally with the two
shows they brought over. Because they had planned on doing more, they
were less willing to grant rights, and had quickly snagged back the
Sailor Moon rights as soon as they could. At least, I believe that's the
reasoning suggested by Anime News Network. It's probably just
specualation as well, but it does make sense, since Toei *did* try to
get into the American market without a middleman and did screw it up (I
can't remember which titles they attempted at the moment, but I know
they were ones I wanted to see until I heard bad things about them.) Of
course, it could jsut be that no one wants Sailor Moon
anymore--althought Tokyopop specifically said at AnimeNext that they
want to get the manga back over here.
>
Sunnie
le...@my-deja.com
Joel Fischoff (Agent) wrote:
>>
> The various incarnations of Saturn-chan - which is to say, Tomoe Hotaru,
> Sailorsaturn, and Mistress Nine - appear in both the S series and the Stars
> series.
>
>
I haven't seen many S episodes. How does her character fit in in S?
What's her relationship to the other Scouts? How often is she seen?
Is it safe to say that she appears briefly in Sailor Moon S, but only
becomes a regular character in Stars?
Thanks.
Sunnie
No. Hotaru/Sailor Saturn is in S much more than Stars. In S, she is
most frequently shown as Hotaru once she is introduced. It is not until
closer to the end of the season (if I recall correctly) that we see
Mistress 9 and than Sailor Saturn.
As for Stars, she's in it briefly during the first arc as Saturn, and
has a few cameos as Hotaru early in the second arc, but is barely seen
again until a brief showing as Saturn in the finale episodes when all of
the senshi are gathered together.
Basically, S is your best opportunity to see the character, although she
is seen a bit more as Saturn in Stars (but overall the character is seen
less in that season).
Hopefully that makes sense and helps.
Sunnie
Chris Kern
>I haven't seen many S episodes. How does her character fit in in S?
>What's her relationship to the other Scouts? How often is she seen?
Before anyone gives you the answer, answering those first two
questions is roughly equivalent to just giving you a plot synopsis for
the S season (including the conclusion). You might want to wait if
you're planning on watching it for yourself.
-Chris
Andrew Floyd
"There is no authoritative answer. The most likely answer, as in almost
every case of this kind, is that the potential companies did not think
it would be worth the money to bring the series to the US.
Of course you mean Takeuchi Naoko-sensei. ^_-
2 explanations have been offered:
Toei / Cloverway wants more money than anyone wants to pay to license
Sailor Stars.
Toei / Cloverway doesn't want to hurt Sailor Moon's "family friendly"
image that it has now due to subject matter (like the outfits of the
Starlights and that they're girls masquerading as a boy singing group -
very common takarazuka kind of thing in Japan but probably very hard to
understand if you don't know what the hell is going on) found in Stars.
This one is kinda self-defeating - if Toei pulls all the licenses, that
removes Sailor Moon from having any kind of image at all! So this point
becomes moot anyway, and we see no reason why Stars shouldn't be
licensed. I doubt that Takeuchi has any say in this matter, but of
course Episode 67 is an exception. Other rumor of Episode 67 - the
Japanese licensor didn't want the native audience to import Region 1 DVD
sets into Japan, so one episode was forced to be left out. Heh,
enterprising fans that we are, we could easily get the proper high
quality digital source and re-burn the right DVD with that episode
inserted. ^.^
le...@my-deja.com
Actually, a plot synopsis for the S season (including conclusion) would
be very helpful. Is there a website where I can find such info?
keith987
news:1156081471.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
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> Actually, a plot synopsis for the S season (including conclusion) would
> be very helpful. Is there a website where I can find such info?
>
Here's a few sites with summaries:
http://www.tcp.com/~doi/smoon/episodes/
http://www.eternal-moon.org/
http://www.eternalsailormoon.org/
This one has summaries for the end of Stars:
http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/dreamstarsummeries/index.html
le...@my-deja.com
Well, I finally answered my own question. Turns out I'd taped a lot of
the Season 3/Sailor Moon S eps. when they ran on CN so I dug up those
tapes and spent this afternoon watching 9 of the last 12 eps. of the
season, including the last four. Sailor Saturn appears in only one
episode, the third from last, "Darkness, My Old Friend." Hotaru is in
the previous ones I viewed and is clearly a major supporting character
in the later part of the season, but she's not Sailor Saturn in those
eps. and only appears as her that one time.
I have to say the final story arc of Season 3 is one of the best things
I've yet seen in the entire Sailor Moon series. Very dramatic, intense,
suspenseful, interesting. Compelling throughout.
What strikes me about Season 3 is the preponderance of extremely
beautiful and sexy female villains (Kaorinite, Mimet, Tallulu, etc.),
and at least one beautiful/sexy heroine, Sailor Pluto (as opposed to
the five "inner senshi" Sailor Scouts who are very cute, but not quite
mature enough to classify them as beautiful/sexy, unless, of course, I
was their age, which I'm not). Sailors Uranus and Neptune are also
beautiful, but in their own way.
Season 4/Super S, of course, takes it into a different, less
interesting direction with those effeminate guys of the Amazon Trio. If
Bishonen's your thing, fine, but they just weren't that interesting as
villains to me. Also, the Super S season struck me as way too
formulaic. Much more so than the S eps. I watched today.