Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's "erotic" work. Me and other posters were very offended by what this poster (a female) had said and we tried to refute these slanderous claims to prove she is wrong. We realized quickly through her replies how little does she know about Sailormoon and Ms. Takeuchi. If Ms. Takeuchi is reading what that poster had said about her, that poster would be sued for libel.
I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the brains to understand that.
> I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against > Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga > artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the > Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the > brains to understand that.
Try not to let it get you upset. That's the only reason people like that post those kinds of things anyways....
It's not like somebody will buy a couple hundred episodes just because the show has cute girls in it anyways. Maybe you bought the first few, and one of the reasons was because the girls are drawn nicely, but you wouldn't keep buying them just for that reason.... besides, the show is so good that it's impossible not to find new reasons every show to like it, ne?
> -rgmondo
-- *************************************** Ian Motter AFSM Member since August 10, 1998
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 GMT, r...@rgmondo.cjb.net posted the following:
>Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike >Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw >young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans >of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's >"erotic" work.
Naoko Takeuchi does enjoy drawing erotic (nude and half-clothed) pictures of the senshi, especially Usagi. Anyone who tries to deny this should look at several pictures from the Infinity Artbook (for instance).
> > I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against > > Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga > > artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the > > Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the > > brains to understand that.
> Try not to let it get you upset. That's the only reason people like > that post those kinds of things anyways....
> It's not like somebody will buy a couple hundred episodes just because the show > has cute girls in it anyways. Maybe you bought the first few, and one of the reasons > was because the girls are drawn nicely, but you wouldn't keep buying them just > for that reason.... besides, the show is so good that it's impossible not to > find new reasons every show to like it, ne?
> > -rgmondo > -- > *************************************** > Ian Motter > AFSM Member since August 10, 1998
the first few episodes wern't nicely drawn. It was about the Black Moon Saga where the animation got better, and even better in S. Classic and the Ali / Ann series the girls were drawn really weirdly and looked very unattractive. One thing was they were too wide.
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 GMT, r...@rgmondo.cjb.net posted the > following:
> >Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike > >Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw > >young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans > >of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's > >"erotic" work.
> Naoko Takeuchi does enjoy drawing erotic (nude and half-clothed) > pictures of the senshi, especially Usagi. Anyone who tries to deny > this should look at several pictures from the Infinity Artbook (for > instance).
> -Chris
Seriously?! Thats funny, do you have em for download?
> "Chris Kern" <k...@grinnell.edu> wrote in message > news:39fd9bd2.6618279@enews.newsguy.com... > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 GMT, r...@rgmondo.cjb.net posted the > > following:
> > >Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike > > >Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw > > >young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans > > >of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's > > >"erotic" work.
> > Naoko Takeuchi does enjoy drawing erotic (nude and half-clothed) > > pictures of the senshi, especially Usagi. Anyone who tries to deny > > this should look at several pictures from the Infinity Artbook (for > > instance).
> > -Chris
> Seriously?! Thats funny, do you have em for download?
The drawings from the Inifinty Artbook where Usagi is nude does not mean that it's a picture of her at 14, nude.
And even if it was, that does not mean she's a pedophile for drawing it or for her fans who like it.
> > > I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against > > > Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga > > > artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the > > > Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the > > > brains to understand that.
> > Try not to let it get you upset. That's the only reason people like > > that post those kinds of things anyways....
> > It's not like somebody will buy a couple hundred episodes just because the > show > > has cute girls in it anyways. Maybe you bought the first few, and one of > the reasons > > was because the girls are drawn nicely, but you wouldn't keep buying them > just > > for that reason.... besides, the show is so good that it's impossible not > to > > find new reasons every show to like it, ne?
> > > -rgmondo > > -- > the first few episodes wern't nicely drawn. It was about the Black Moon > Saga where the animation got better, and even better in S. Classic and the > Ali / Ann series the girls were drawn really weirdly and looked very > unattractive. One thing was they were too wide.
"Nicely drawn" meant the character designs of the girls in the show. Short skirts, and other "pretty" characteristics....
And when I said buying your first few episodes, it didn't necessarily mean the first season, especially as how it's been a lot harder to find the first two seasons fansubbed than the later ones anwyays....
>> "Chris Kern" <k...@grinnell.edu> wrote in message >> news:39fd9bd2.6618279@enews.newsguy.com... >> > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 GMT, r...@rgmondo.cjb.net posted the >> > following:
>> > >Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike >> > >Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw >> > >young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans >> > >of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's >> > >"erotic" work.
>> > Naoko Takeuchi does enjoy drawing erotic (nude and half-clothed) >> > pictures of the senshi, especially Usagi. Anyone who tries to deny >> > this should look at several pictures from the Infinity Artbook (for >> > instance).
>> > -Chris
>> Seriously?! Thats funny, do you have em for download?
>The drawings from the Inifinty Artbook where Usagi is nude does not >mean that it's a picture of her at 14, nude.
>And even if it was, that does not mean she's a pedophile for drawing it or >for her fans who like it.
>Ian
Just to add my 2 cents... According to various countries laws, anime/manga/comics/cartoons are considered artwork and it's legal to draw characters of any aged clothed and unclothed. I think the basic idea is that a drawing is not a real person.
The person who was making the accusations was probably not aware of the laws, and was probably also misinformed about BSSM.
Had the english dub versions content never been tampered with, then the anime would have been more educational since it promotes learning about other countries cultures. (Ugh, I flinch everytime I hear "girlfriend" in the new dub episodes)
I'm sure the person who made the accusations (like many who just to conclusions) didn't put more than a few minutes worth of research beforce letting their opinion be known. Likewise everything posted on A.F.S.M is their opinion. Facts can be backed up with evidence, opinions are just opinions.
IMO, anyone who thinks looking at a drawings are the same as looking at real people needs a reality check.
--Kisai (Kisai happened to discover the laws regarding animated/drawn unclothed children when coming across a "Anime details that get edited out in North America" page.)
> > "Chris Kern" <k...@grinnell.edu> wrote in message > > news:39fd9bd2.6618279@enews.newsguy.com... > > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 GMT, r...@rgmondo.cjb.net posted the > > > following:
> > > >Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike > > > >Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw > > > >young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans > > > >of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's > > > >"erotic" work.
> > > Naoko Takeuchi does enjoy drawing erotic (nude and half-clothed) > > > pictures of the senshi, especially Usagi. Anyone who tries to deny > > > this should look at several pictures from the Infinity Artbook (for > > > instance).
> > > -Chris
> > Seriously?! Thats funny, do you have em for download?
> The drawings from the Inifinty Artbook where Usagi is nude does not > mean that it's a picture of her at 14, nude.
> And even if it was, that does not mean she's a pedophile for drawing it or > for her fans who like it.
> Ian
I never said Naoko was. And BTW - I'm not a hentai person, infact I hate the stuff, but when the author of the series does it you should at least check it out.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:19:22 -0500, Ian Motter <ia...@mindspring.com> posted the following:
>The drawings from the Inifinty Artbook where Usagi is nude does not >mean that it's a picture of her at 14, nude.
There is no reason to assume that Usagi is over 18 (or even 16) in that picture. Given that 18 is the American age of consent, not the Japanese one, I doubt that Takuechi deliberately aged characters for her more erotic art.
And notice that it's not just the amount of skin shown, it's that the characters often have sexually suggestive expressions on their faces, or their poses are somewhat sexually suggestive.
> Recently on an anime-related messageboard, there is a poster who dislike > Sailormoon and accuses TAKEUCHI Naoko as a "pedophile," because she draw > young female characters "having breasts." This poster also accuses fans > of Sailormoon as being "pedophiles" because they loved Ms. Takeuchi's > "erotic" work.
Sounds like a simple troll to me. Rule #1: Don't feed the trolls. If your message board doesn't have a "killfile" system, ask whoever's in charge to get one.
Er... that is NOT the real picture. It has obviously been modified (you can see where clothing lines have been erased). The REAL picture has them in their regular outfits.
> And notice that it's not just the amount of skin shown, it's that the > characters often have sexually suggestive expressions on their faces, > or their poses are somewhat sexually suggestive.
Aw, Naoko-chan's an ecchi-minded girl. We all know it. ^_-
>Er... that is NOT the real picture. It has obviously been modified (you >can see where clothing lines have been erased). The REAL picture has >them in their regular outfits.
You're right. That would also explain why Jun-Jun still has her top.
>Er... that is NOT the real picture. It has obviously been modified (you >can see where clothing lines have been erased). The REAL picture has >them in their regular outfits.
>--
Gee..im glad im not the only one who noticed that ^_^ Princess Serenity
No wonder the lower-right corner of this pic made the Darkness and Light (a CU/Hotaru romance site--don't worry; most of it is with them more grown up) site.
> > And notice that it's not just the amount of skin shown, it's that the > > characters often have sexually suggestive expressions on their faces, > > or their poses are somewhat sexually suggestive.
> Aw, Naoko-chan's an ecchi-minded girl. We all know it. ^_-
Nonetheless, a lot of people stereotype SM fans and the creator of SM as pedophiles. I'd say more than a few of us like the grown up women (or men, as the case may be).
r...@rgmondo.cjb.net wrote: > I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against > Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga > artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the > Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the > brains to understand that.
In article <39FDAD9A.2078A...@mindspring.com>, Ian Motter <ia...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The drawings from the Inifinty Artbook where Usagi is nude does not > mean that it's a picture of her at 14, nude.
I really don't think Takeuchi had any age for Usagi in mind when she drew that picture. The way I see it, Usagi represents agelessness.
-- ================================================== Ian Andreas Miller -- Hotaru and Saturn lover. "Hametsu to tanjo~ no senshi, Se~ra~ Sata~n." "The soldier of ruin and birth, Sailor Saturn" ICQ: 9968963 -- AIM: IanAMiller -- Hotaru is cute. ==================================================
> And notice that it's not just the amount of skin shown, it's that the > characters often have sexually suggestive expressions on their faces, > or their poses are somewhat sexually suggestive.
I'm sure that Takeuchi enjoys drawing that stuff. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with these sorts of images. There is no malice and there's no pornographic intent.
-- ================================================== Ian Andreas Miller -- Hotaru and Saturn lover. "Hametsu to tanjo~ no senshi, Se~ra~ Sata~n." "The soldier of ruin and birth, Sailor Saturn" ICQ: 9968963 -- AIM: IanAMiller -- Hotaru is cute. ==================================================
>That Amazones Quartet image has been altered from its original.
Yes, yes, I feel stupid about not noticing that >_<
>I'm sure that Takeuchi enjoys drawing that stuff.
That was my point.
>Personally, I don't >see anything wrong with these sorts of images.
Neither do I, they're her characters. Usually people say things like "Takeuchi would never want her characters drawn nude!" and this is my answer to that ^_^
>> I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against >> Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga >> artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the >> Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the >> brains to understand that.
>That's nice. We sympathize.
>Where was this thread going, again?
>Robert Hutchinson
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"John F. Martin" wrote: > Robert Hutchinson wrote: > >r...@rgmondo.cjb.net wrote:
> >> I had seen people on the Internet say the most libel things, but against > >> Ms. Takeuchi and us fans disturbs me. Ms. Takeuchi is a great manga > >> artist, but she is not a pedophile. Just because we like to read the > >> Sailormoon manga does not make us pedophiles. I hope that poster has the > >> brains to understand that.
> >That's nice. We sympathize.
> >Where was this thread going, again?
> Why am I feeling Gaza vibes here?
Close, but rg is our favorite pollster. What are the feminist themes in Sailor Moon, a call to vote for censure of SOS, etc., etc.
>No wonder the lower-right corner of this pic made the Darkness and Light (a >CU/Hotaru romance site--don't worry; most of it is with them more grown up)
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