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Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 8:45:01 AM7/3/12
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Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
|
| To give but one example, there is a Bermuda-based entity
| called Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd., which has
| been described in securities filings as "a Bermuda
| corporation wholly owned by W. Mitt Romney." It could be
| that Sankaty is an old vehicle with little importance, but
| Romney appears to have treated it rather carefully. He set
| it up in 1997, then transferred it to his wife's newly
| created blind trust on January 1, 2003, the day before he
| was inaugurated as Massachusetts's governor. The director
| and president of this entity is R. Bradford Malt, the
| trustee of the blind trust and Romney's personal lawyer.
| Romney failed to list this entity on several financial
| disclosures, even though such a closely held entity would
| not qualify as an "excepted investment fund" that would not
| need to be on his disclosure forms. He finally included it
| on his 2010 tax return. Even after examining that return,
| we have no idea what is in this company, but it could be
| valuable, meaning that it is possible Romney's wealth is
| even greater than previous estimates. While the Romneys'
| spokespeople insist that the couple has paid all the taxes
| required by law, investments in tax havens such as Bermuda
| raise many questions, because they are in "jurisdictions
| where there is virtually no tax and virtually no
| compliance," as one Miami-based offshore lawyer put it.
|
| That's not the only money Romney has in tax havens. Because
| of his retirement deal with Bain Capital, his finances are
| still deeply entangled with the private-equity firm that he
| founded and spun off from Bain and Co. in 1984. Though he
| left the firm in 1999, Romney has continued to receive
| large payments from it--in early June he revealed more than
| $2 million in new Bain income. The firm today has at least
| 138 funds organized in the Cayman Islands, and Romney
| himself has personal interests in at least 12, worth as
| much as $30 million, hidden behind controversial
| confidentiality disclaimers. Again, the Romney campaign
| insists he saves no tax by using them, but there is no way
| to check this.
| ...
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
|
| To give but one example, there is a Bermuda-based entity
| called Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd., which has
| been described in securities filings as "a Bermuda
| corporation wholly owned by W. Mitt Romney." It could be
| that Sankaty is an old vehicle with little importance, but
| Romney appears to have treated it rather carefully. He set
| it up in 1997, then transferred it to his wife's newly
| created blind trust on January 1, 2003, the day before he
| was inaugurated as Massachusetts's governor. The director
| and president of this entity is R. Bradford Malt, the
| trustee of the blind trust and Romney's personal lawyer.
| Romney failed to list this entity on several financial
| disclosures, even though such a closely held entity would
| not qualify as an "excepted investment fund" that would not
| need to be on his disclosure forms. He finally included it
| on his 2010 tax return. Even after examining that return,
| we have no idea what is in this company, but it could be
| valuable, meaning that it is possible Romney's wealth is
| even greater than previous estimates. While the Romneys'
| spokespeople insist that the couple has paid all the taxes
| required by law, investments in tax havens such as Bermuda
| raise many questions, because they are in "jurisdictions
| where there is virtually no tax and virtually no
| compliance," as one Miami-based offshore lawyer put it.
|
| That's not the only money Romney has in tax havens. Because
| of his retirement deal with Bain Capital, his finances are
| still deeply entangled with the private-equity firm that he
| founded and spun off from Bain and Co. in 1984. Though he
| left the firm in 1999, Romney has continued to receive
| large payments from it--in early June he revealed more than
| $2 million in new Bain income. The firm today has at least
| 138 funds organized in the Cayman Islands, and Romney
| himself has personal interests in at least 12, worth as
| much as $30 million, hidden behind controversial
| confidentiality disclaimers. Again, the Romney campaign
| insists he saves no tax by using them, but there is no way
| to check this.
| ...
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 3, 2012, 9:00:45 AM7/3/12
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>
> --bks
OOOHHHHHH !!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!! THAT MEANS ROMNEY IS A DEMOCRAT !!!
OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
azjohn
Jul 3, 2012, 12:22:01 PM7/3/12
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If Romney was a tax cheat, Obama would have appointed him to his cabinet.
emoneyjoe
Jul 3, 2012, 1:01:42 PM7/3/12
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On 3 Jul 2012 08:45:01 -0400, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
You are the scumbag for writing Tax Cheat
>Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
in the subject line while the article snippet you
copy and pasted doesn't mention cheating.
and Bermuda or any other overseas banks, if
they are not audited, there may not really be
any money there.
Is there some reason that people with
money can't do what they please with that
money after they pay taxes on it?
Can you explain why you wrote tax cheat?
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 2:07:28 PM7/3/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>On 3 Jul 2012 08:45:01 -0400, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> ...
>On 3 Jul 2012 08:45:01 -0400, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
> ...
>in the subject line while the article snippet you
>copy and pasted doesn't mention cheating.
> ...
>copy and pasted doesn't mention cheating.
Oh yes it does. Read it again, I *always* cite chapter and verse:
>><http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
Sid9
Jul 3, 2012, 3:25:42 PM7/3/12
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"azjohn" <hab...@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> If Romney was a tax cheat, Obama would have appointed him to his cabinet.
.
.
emoneyjoe
Jul 3, 2012, 3:41:41 PM7/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:07:28 +0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K.
I didn't see it.
The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
actual wrong doing mentioned.
Be careful about saying things that aren't true.
Look who I just said that to.
Sherman) wrote:
>emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>On 3 Jul 2012 08:45:01 -0400, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> ...
>>>Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
>> ...
>>in the subject line while the article snippet you
>>copy and pasted doesn't mention cheating.
>> ...
>
>Oh yes it does. Read it again, I *always* cite chapter and verse:
>
>>><http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
>
> --bks
So cut and paste the sentence that says that,
>emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>On 3 Jul 2012 08:45:01 -0400, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> ...
>>>Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
>> ...
>>in the subject line while the article snippet you
>>copy and pasted doesn't mention cheating.
>> ...
>
>Oh yes it does. Read it again, I *always* cite chapter and verse:
>
>>><http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
>
> --bks
I didn't see it.
The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
actual wrong doing mentioned.
Be careful about saying things that aren't true.
Look who I just said that to.
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Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 5:58:51 PM7/3/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>
> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
*refused* to come clean about what's in them.
Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
Not Sure
Jul 3, 2012, 6:03:30 PM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> --bks
So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
so much to ensure his election, dipshit :)
> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
>
> --bks
So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
so much to ensure his election, dipshit :)
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 6:18:12 PM7/3/12
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Not Sure <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>>
>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
>>
>On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>>
>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
>>
>So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
> ...
The entire article is about Romney being a tax cheat! Here's
the full URL; readers are encouraged to read it for themselves:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
p.s. You should learn to spell your candidate's name
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emoneyjoe
Jul 3, 2012, 8:07:43 PM7/3/12
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As long as he follows the law, it is not
cheating, so for now you are the scumbag.
There is probably some reason to spread
money around, like FDIC bank deposits only
being insured for a certain amount.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket has
always been a good saying.
As long as any income is not "realized"
by bringing funds to the US, how can there
be anything called cheating.
I still don't see that word in the article.
jane
Jul 3, 2012, 8:12:31 PM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 6:18 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
Romney "might" be a tax cheat, but the author of the opinion piece
didn't prove it. All he did was point to off shore investments.
Having offshore investments is not proof of tax evasion or being a tax
cheat. I have off shore investments and I can assure you that I am
not a tax cheat.
Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
make accusations about Romney.
BTW: you said you cite "chapter and verse". That trite cliche might
sound good, but you cited neither "chapter" nor "verse". Your
citation is nothing but an opinion piece.
> Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> >> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> >> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> >> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
>
> >So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
> > ...
>
> The entire article is about Romney being a tax cheat! Here's
> the full URL; readers are encouraged to read it for themselves:
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> >On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> >> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> >> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> >> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
>
> >So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
> > ...
>
> The entire article is about Romney being a tax cheat! Here's
> the full URL; readers are encouraged to read it for themselves:
>
> --bks
>
> p.s. You should learn to spell your candidate's name
The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
> --bks
>
> p.s. You should learn to spell your candidate's name
opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
Romney "might" be a tax cheat, but the author of the opinion piece
didn't prove it. All he did was point to off shore investments.
Having offshore investments is not proof of tax evasion or being a tax
cheat. I have off shore investments and I can assure you that I am
not a tax cheat.
Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
make accusations about Romney.
BTW: you said you cite "chapter and verse". That trite cliche might
sound good, but you cited neither "chapter" nor "verse". Your
citation is nothing but an opinion piece.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 8:23:16 PM7/3/12
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jane <jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
Oh, right, there's the part about Willard Etch-A-Sketch, while
he was Overlord of Bain teaching interns how to lie.
Don't take our word for it, read it yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
> ...
>The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
>opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
> ...
>opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
Oh, right, there's the part about Willard Etch-A-Sketch, while
he was Overlord of Bain teaching interns how to lie.
Don't take our word for it, read it yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
--bks
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David Hartung
Jul 3, 2012, 11:37:46 PM7/3/12
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On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>
>> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>>
>
> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>
>> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
>> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>>
>
> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
supposed accounts?
wy
Jul 3, 2012, 11:42:44 PM7/3/12
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>
> Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
> a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
> make accusations about Romney.
forms till October. What's he got to hide? Why October? That won't
give people a lot of time to really scrutinize the doctored details,
especially if he decides to release them on Halloween.
wy
Jul 3, 2012, 11:44:06 PM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 11:37 pm, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>
> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>
> > emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> >> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> > It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> > accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> supposed accounts?
What? You're not interested in any possibility that he might've been
>
> >> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> > It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> > accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> supposed accounts?
cheating on his taxes? You're perfectly okay with a tax cheat as
president?
David Hartung
Jul 3, 2012, 11:46:43 PM7/3/12
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wy
Jul 3, 2012, 11:49:52 PM7/3/12
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office, and that candidate should be more than willing to cooperate -
if he's got nothing to hide. It's the prudent thing to do.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 3, 2012, 11:51:09 PM7/3/12
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>> ...
I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
Singapore or what?
--bks
Full URL. Please read and judge for yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
>Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>supposed accounts?
Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
>Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>supposed accounts?
I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
Singapore or what?
--bks
Full URL. Please read and judge for yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
wy
Jul 3, 2012, 11:52:32 PM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 11:51 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>
> >On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >> ...
> >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> >Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> >supposed accounts?
>
> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> Singapore or what?
No, he's from Mississippi. Don't insult Singapore.
> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>
> >On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >> ...
> >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> >Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> >supposed accounts?
>
> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> Singapore or what?
emoneyjoe
Jul 4, 2012, 3:00:15 AM7/4/12
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in them, stupid.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 6:49:11 AM7/4/12
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On 07/03/2012 10:51 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> ...
>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>> supposed accounts?
>
> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> Singapore or what?
So his net worth tells us whether or not he should be president?
> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> ...
>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>> supposed accounts?
>
> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> Singapore or what?
Your basic assumption appears to be that if Romney has money in the
Caymans, then it must be ill-gotten gain. However, that is all ti is, an
assumption. Thus far you have provided no proof.
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 8:11:11 AM7/4/12
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legally or illegally can't be known until whatever tax info he hands
out can be properly assessed. But what you're saying here essentially
is that Romney should be able to vet out his v.p. choice, but the
public and media shouldn't be able to vet out a presidential
candidate? Getting into his tax details, especially with the wealth
he has, is one way of vetting him out to make sure he isn't a tax
cheat, because you don't want a tax cheat as president in a position
of punishing other tax cheats (or not, if they happen to be corporate
tax cheats) - it'd sort of be not only typically right wingnut
hypocritical but also kind of a conflict of interest.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 8:22:35 AM7/4/12
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On 07/04/2012 07:11 AM, wy wrote:
> On Jul 4, 6:49 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2012 10:51 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>>>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>>>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>>>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>>>> supposed accounts?
>>
>>> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
>>> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
>>> Singapore or what?
>>
>> So his net worth tells us whether or not he should be president?
>>
>> Your basic assumption appears to be that if Romney has money in the
>> Caymans, then it must be ill-gotten gain. However, that is all ti is, an
>> assumption. Thus far you have provided no proof.
>
> Don't be such a deliberate idiot, Hartung. Whether he got his money
> legally or illegally can't be known until whatever tax info he hands
> out can be properly assessed.
Guilty until proven innocent?
> On Jul 4, 6:49 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2012 10:51 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>
>>> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
>>>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
>>>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>>
>>>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
>>>> supposed accounts?
>>
>>> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
>>> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
>>> Singapore or what?
>>
>> So his net worth tells us whether or not he should be president?
>>
>> Your basic assumption appears to be that if Romney has money in the
>> Caymans, then it must be ill-gotten gain. However, that is all ti is, an
>> assumption. Thus far you have provided no proof.
>
> Don't be such a deliberate idiot, Hartung. Whether he got his money
> legally or illegally can't be known until whatever tax info he hands
> out can be properly assessed.
You are tossing around accusations with no proof. You then are demanding
that Romney release his tax returns so you can find proof.
The truth is, from what is now available to the public, it seems that
Romney is almost squeaky clean and the left just cannot have that. As a
result, Romney's opponents will dig until they find something. If they
cannot find anything, they will make it up. Hence the sudden interest in
the Romney tax returns.
You as an unthinking card carrying leftist just swallow it up,
uncritically, looking like a fool all the while.
Steve
Jul 4, 2012, 8:29:12 AM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 8:30:17 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 8:22 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> On 07/04/2012 07:11 AM, wy wrote:
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> > On Jul 4, 6:49 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> >> On 07/03/2012 10:51 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
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> >>> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >>>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >>>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
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> >>>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> >>>> supposed accounts?
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> >>> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> >>> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> >>> Singapore or what?
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> >> So his net worth tells us whether or not he should be president?
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> >> Your basic assumption appears to be that if Romney has money in the
> >> Caymans, then it must be ill-gotten gain. However, that is all ti is, an
> >> assumption. Thus far you have provided no proof.
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> > Don't be such a deliberate idiot, Hartung. Whether he got his money
> > legally or illegally can't be known until whatever tax info he hands
> > out can be properly assessed.
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> Guilty until proven innocent?
Yeah, just like Obama was with his birth certificate fiasco -
> On 07/04/2012 07:11 AM, wy wrote:
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> > On Jul 4, 6:49 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> >> On 07/03/2012 10:51 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
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> >>> David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> >>>>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> >>>>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> >>>> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> >>>> supposed accounts?
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> >>> Because he want to be President of the United States of America!
> >>> I'm surprised I have to explain that to you. Are you from
> >>> Singapore or what?
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> >> So his net worth tells us whether or not he should be president?
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> >> Your basic assumption appears to be that if Romney has money in the
> >> Caymans, then it must be ill-gotten gain. However, that is all ti is, an
> >> assumption. Thus far you have provided no proof.
>
> > Don't be such a deliberate idiot, Hartung. Whether he got his money
> > legally or illegally can't be known until whatever tax info he hands
> > out can be properly assessed.
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> Guilty until proven innocent?
remember?
>
> You are tossing around accusations with no proof. You then are demanding
> that Romney release his tax returns so you can find proof.
all, right?
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> The truth is, from what is now available to the public, it seems that
> Romney is almost squeaky clean and the left just cannot have that. As a
> result, Romney's opponents will dig until they find something. If they
> cannot find anything, they will make it up. Hence the sudden interest in
> the Romney tax returns.
what's known and arriving at probable explanations, which can only be
negated or verified by actual data that can only be released by
Romney. Why is he taking his time and allowing this to fester?
Haven't all his tax forms already been done up till the one for last
year? It's just a matter of releasing them - if he has nothing to
hide.
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> You as an unthinking card carrying leftist just swallow it up,
> uncritically, looking like a fool all the while.
investigated? So basically, you should know absolutely nothing about
a candidate's background in order to make an informed choice? Ah,
yesss, ignorance is bliss for Hartung, it's next to nirvana itself.
First.Post
Jul 4, 2012, 8:44:22 AM7/4/12
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wy <w...@myself.com> wrote in
news:5fa76bd6-08cd-4829...@v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
You're not questioning anything lying little bitch.
You are flat out accusing with no evidence to support your accusations.
Until you come up with something besides your silly assed innuendos and
conjecture then you're simply talking trash.
news:5fa76bd6-08cd-4829...@v15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
You are flat out accusing with no evidence to support your accusations.
Until you come up with something besides your silly assed innuendos and
conjecture then you're simply talking trash.
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 8:44:42 AM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 8:46:24 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 8:44 am, "First.Post" <OccupierDumberThanD...@invalid.org>
wrote:
Ask Romney to hand over all his tax data, then we'll see what's
what. What's the matter. afraid there actually might be some nasty
dirt in it? Yeah, I'd be afraid to if I were you. Till then, shut up
because boy, you're stupid.
wrote:
what. What's the matter. afraid there actually might be some nasty
dirt in it? Yeah, I'd be afraid to if I were you. Till then, shut up
because boy, you're stupid.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 8:56:21 AM7/4/12
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PROVE IT !!!
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 8:58:41 AM7/4/12
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On 07/04/2012 07:30 AM, wy wrote:
> So if Romney was accused of being a child molester, that shouldn't go
> investigated?
Not if there is no evedence to warrant an investigation.
> So if Romney was accused of being a child molester, that shouldn't go
> investigated?
> So basically, you should know absolutely nothing about
> a candidate's background in order to make an informed choice?
rumors and propaganda. You have assumend guilt on Romney's part because
he will not release the records you demand to see. In a way, this is
nothing more than the "birther" issue turned around.
There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than where he
says he was born, yet the "birther" movement has been demanding that he
release his private birth records to disprove their baseless
accusations. In Romney's case, you are demanding that he release tax
records to disprove an apparently baseless claim of tax fraud.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 8:59:22 AM7/4/12
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On 07/04/2012 07:44 AM, First.Post wrote:
> You're not questioning anything lying little bitch.
> You are flat out accusing with no evidence to support your accusations.
> Until you come up with something besides your silly assed innuendos and
> conjecture then you're simply talking trash.
Has Wy ever posted anything but trash?
> You're not questioning anything lying little bitch.
> You are flat out accusing with no evidence to support your accusations.
> Until you come up with something besides your silly assed innuendos and
> conjecture then you're simply talking trash.
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 9:12:09 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 8:58 am, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> On 07/04/2012 07:30 AM, wy wrote:
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> > So if Romney was accused of being a child molester, that shouldn't go
> > investigated?
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> Not if there is no evedence to warrant an investigation.
What a goofball you are. You actually think that a presidential
> On 07/04/2012 07:30 AM, wy wrote:
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> > So if Romney was accused of being a child molester, that shouldn't go
> > investigated?
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> Not if there is no evedence to warrant an investigation.
candidate won't have heat on him over such an accusation? Seriously,
your brain has been too fried and refried under that scorching
Mississippi sun for too long now. Remember Gary Hart and the rumors
that got started about his affair with Donna Rice just as he was
beginning to run for president? Only rumors, nothing substantiated,
hearsay, political wet dreams, no evidence. Then they started digging
on those "rumors" and, well, so much for Hart ever becoming
president.
>
> > So basically, you should know absolutely nothing about
> > a candidate's background in order to make an informed choice?
>
> We are not talking about informed choices here.
> We are talking about
> rumors and propaganda. You have assumend guilt on Romney's part because
> he will not release the records you demand to see. In a way, this is
> nothing more than the "birther" issue turned around.
up, Harting. Have you ever lived in the real world - ever?
>
> There is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than where he
> says he was born, yet the "birther" movement has been demanding that he
> release his private birth records to disprove their baseless
> accusations.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
Note that it started as a "whisper," a "trickle of nagging doubt".
Where's the evidence in that which demanded he be investigated and
release his birth certificate?
> In Romney's case, you are demanding that he release tax
> records to disprove an apparently baseless claim of tax fraud.
Classic right wingnut Hartung hypocrisy anyone?
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 8:59:56 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 8:56 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
Ask Romney to deliver on his tax data. The longer he delays, the more
suspicious he becomes.
suspicious he becomes.
Steve
Jul 4, 2012, 9:48:13 AM7/4/12
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anything..
Yeah, I know that you suggested it, but then, you are a nothing...
Steve
Jul 4, 2012, 9:48:13 AM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:17:54 AM7/4/12
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stuff I've been able to effectively ridicule as being the right
wingnut idiocy that it is.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 8:55:35 AM7/4/12
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Are you aware that the head of the Obama IRS, Timmy Geithner, is a tax
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evader himself?
http://audacitywatch.com/?p=834
You know things aren’t great for the Democrats when even their biggest
cheerleaders use terms like “bungling,” as the Huffington Post did in
talking about the withdrawal of Chief Performance Officer nominee
Nancy Killefer. While the amount owed (about $1,000) pales in
comparison to the taxes evaded by other Dems such as Tom Daschle,
Charlie Rangel and Timothy Geithner, the article had an enlightening
comment about Killefer’s tax lien from Bobby Tucker, chief of D.C.’s
unemployment insurance tax division. According to the story, Tucker
said that “filing tax liens is ‘not a common practice’ for his
office.” It goes on to say: “D.C. law authorizes such liens when an
employer ‘neglects and refuses’ to pay the levy that helps pay for
unemployment benefits for those laid off or fired. Tucker said his
auditors have discretion to use tax liens based on ‘the number of
attempts to collect contributions owed, whether or not the employer
responds to written attempts, phone calls and-or in-person visits’ to
collect the tax.’” [emphasis AW's]
It is now being reported that Obama’s nominee for Secretary of Labor,
Democratic Rep. Hilda Solis, has had the Senate session to review her
nomination put on hold while the committee members review today’s
revelations that Solis’ husband recently settled fifteen tax liens for
a total of $6,400 — some going back as far as 16 years. This comes on
top of questions about her role on the board of the pro-union activism
group American Rights at Work.
At this point, it looks like President Obama has taken the approach of
throwing as many questionable candidates at the process as possible
and hoping that a few will stick because the public has become tired
of hearing about Democratic tax evasion and other bad deeds. One has
to wonder how many more roads could be fixed or kids could have health
insurance if all of the Democrat lawmakers paid their taxes. Perhaps
we should each contact the Democrat elected officials from our states
and cities and ask if they’ve paid their taxes.
http://www.timcartersfirepit.com/john-kerry-senator-tax-evader-and-hypocrite.html
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:20:28 AM7/4/12
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> Yeah, I know that you suggested it, but then, you are a nothing...
lemonade stand operator preying on little girls.
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:23:15 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 8:55 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
He didn't run for president. What's your point?
> http://www.timcartersfirepit.com/john-kerry-senator-tax-evader-and-hy...
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 10:27:21 AM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:31:53 AM7/4/12
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topic by diverting it to something else because you know you're at the
losing end of the discussion.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 10:34:08 AM7/4/12
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 10:37:56 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 4:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
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> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
VANITY FAIR ??!! ROTGDFLMMFAO !!! Do you have chickens?? Use that
fucking thing to line the bottom of your chicken coop.Moron.
> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
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> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
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> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
VANITY FAIR ??!! ROTGDFLMMFAO !!! Do you have chickens?? Use that
fucking thing to line the bottom of your chicken coop.Moron.
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:39:59 AM7/4/12
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 10:40:12 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 10:49 pm, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 11:46 pm, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
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> > On 07/03/2012 10:44 PM, wy wrote:
> > > cheating on his taxes? You're perfectly okay with a tax cheat as
> > > president?
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> > Have you evidence?
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> You try to get evidence before you install a possible tax cheat in
> office, and that candidate should be more than willing to cooperate -
> if he's got nothing to hide. It's the prudent thing to do.- Hide quoted text -
in the Whitehouse?? why the double standard, because Romney is white?
Are you racist?
> On Jul 3, 11:46 pm, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
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> > On 07/03/2012 10:44 PM, wy wrote:
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> > > On Jul 3, 11:37 pm, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> > >> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
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> > > On Jul 3, 11:37 pm, David Hartung <da...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
> > >> On 07/03/2012 04:58 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>
> > >>> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
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> > >>>> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> > >>>> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
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> > >>>> The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> > >>>> actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> > >>> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> > >>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > >>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> > >> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> > >> supposed accounts?
>
> > > What? You're not interested in any possibility that he might've been
> > >>> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > >>> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> > >> Why is it any if your business what, or how much money might be in these
> > >> supposed accounts?
>
> > > cheating on his taxes? You're perfectly okay with a tax cheat as
> > > president?
>
> > Have you evidence?
>
> You try to get evidence before you install a possible tax cheat in
> office, and that candidate should be more than willing to cooperate -
> if he's got nothing to hide. It's the prudent thing to do.- Hide quoted text -
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And where's any "evidence" you had on Obama before you helped put him
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in the Whitehouse?? why the double standard, because Romney is white?
Are you racist?
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 10:42:45 AM7/4/12
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YOU DUMB SACK OF SHIT !! HE'S THE HEAD OF THE IRS YOU SLACKJAWED
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MOUTHBREATHER !!
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 10:21:59 AM7/4/12
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truth? I don't care which way it flips. If he's clean, he's clean,
case closed. If he's scum, then is that what you want for president
Oh, yeah, I forgot. You voted for Bush twice.
Christopher Helms
Jul 4, 2012, 10:51:41 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 7:45 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
> |
> | To give but one example, there is a Bermuda-based entity
> | called Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd., which has
> | been described in securities filings as "a Bermuda
> | corporation wholly owned by W. Mitt Romney." It could be
> | that Sankaty is an old vehicle with little importance, but
> | Romney appears to have treated it rather carefully. He set
> | it up in 1997, then transferred it to his wife's newly
> | created blind trust on January 1, 2003, the day before he
> | was inaugurated as Massachusetts's governor. The director
> | and president of this entity is R. Bradford Malt, the
> | trustee of the blind trust and Romney's personal lawyer.
> | Romney failed to list this entity on several financial
> | disclosures, even though such a closely held entity would
> | not qualify as an "excepted investment fund" that would not
> | need to be on his disclosure forms. He finally included it
> | on his 2010 tax return. Even after examining that return,
> | we have no idea what is in this company, but it could be
> | valuable, meaning that it is possible Romney's wealth is
> | even greater than previous estimates. While the Romneys'
> | spokespeople insist that the couple has paid all the taxes
> | required by law, investments in tax havens such as Bermuda
> | raise many questions, because they are in "jurisdictions
> | where there is virtually no tax and virtually no
> | compliance," as one Miami-based offshore lawyer put it.
> |
> | That's not the only money Romney has in tax havens. Because
> | of his retirement deal with Bain Capital, his finances are
> | still deeply entangled with the private-equity firm that he
> | founded and spun off from Bain and Co. in 1984. Though he
> | left the firm in 1999, Romney has continued to receive
> | large payments from it--in early June he revealed more than
> | $2 million in new Bain income. The firm today has at least
> | 138 funds organized in the Cayman Islands, and Romney
> | himself has personal interests in at least 12, worth as
> | much as $30 million, hidden behind controversial
> | confidentiality disclaimers. Again, the Romney campaign
> | insists he saves no tax by using them, but there is no way
> | to check this.
> | ...
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
He's hiding so much money in so many places that he needs a goddamn
team of lawyers to scour the law books, cook up blind trusts, create
dummy corporations in his wife's name and keep the Feds off his ass so
he can stay clear. Mittens has clearly made evading US taxes one of
his life's great passions, after prancing show horses and in-house car
elevators. He's behaving like documented corporate criminal Rick Scott
instead of a man we're supposed to want to lead us. Billy Sol Estes
was considered a crook back in the day; today, he'd be an amateur.
> Be sure to read the whole story. What a scumbag!
> |
> | To give but one example, there is a Bermuda-based entity
> | called Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd., which has
> | been described in securities filings as "a Bermuda
> | corporation wholly owned by W. Mitt Romney." It could be
> | that Sankaty is an old vehicle with little importance, but
> | Romney appears to have treated it rather carefully. He set
> | it up in 1997, then transferred it to his wife's newly
> | created blind trust on January 1, 2003, the day before he
> | was inaugurated as Massachusetts's governor. The director
> | and president of this entity is R. Bradford Malt, the
> | trustee of the blind trust and Romney's personal lawyer.
> | Romney failed to list this entity on several financial
> | disclosures, even though such a closely held entity would
> | not qualify as an "excepted investment fund" that would not
> | need to be on his disclosure forms. He finally included it
> | on his 2010 tax return. Even after examining that return,
> | we have no idea what is in this company, but it could be
> | valuable, meaning that it is possible Romney's wealth is
> | even greater than previous estimates. While the Romneys'
> | spokespeople insist that the couple has paid all the taxes
> | required by law, investments in tax havens such as Bermuda
> | raise many questions, because they are in "jurisdictions
> | where there is virtually no tax and virtually no
> | compliance," as one Miami-based offshore lawyer put it.
> |
> | That's not the only money Romney has in tax havens. Because
> | of his retirement deal with Bain Capital, his finances are
> | still deeply entangled with the private-equity firm that he
> | founded and spun off from Bain and Co. in 1984. Though he
> | left the firm in 1999, Romney has continued to receive
> | large payments from it--in early June he revealed more than
> | $2 million in new Bain income. The firm today has at least
> | 138 funds organized in the Cayman Islands, and Romney
> | himself has personal interests in at least 12, worth as
> | much as $30 million, hidden behind controversial
> | confidentiality disclaimers. Again, the Romney campaign
> | insists he saves no tax by using them, but there is no way
> | to check this.
> | ...
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
He's hiding so much money in so many places that he needs a goddamn
team of lawyers to scour the law books, cook up blind trusts, create
dummy corporations in his wife's name and keep the Feds off his ass so
he can stay clear. Mittens has clearly made evading US taxes one of
his life's great passions, after prancing show horses and in-house car
elevators. He's behaving like documented corporate criminal Rick Scott
instead of a man we're supposed to want to lead us. Billy Sol Estes
was considered a crook back in the day; today, he'd be an amateur.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 10:53:02 AM7/4/12
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foolish.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 10:54:35 AM7/4/12
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Christopher Helms
Jul 4, 2012, 10:58:05 AM7/4/12
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much evidence of Obama being born in Kenya, but guess what?
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 11:08:25 AM7/4/12
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there is zero evidence that Obama was born anywhere but in Hawaii.
Bert
Jul 4, 2012, 11:22:34 AM7/4/12
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In news:jsupgd$6l$1...@panix3.panix.com b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
But, if you know that Romney's a "tax cheat," why haven't you turned him
in? Tax snitches get a portion of any money recovered.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
wrote:
> Be sure to read the whole story.
Yeah, you do that. Then have someone explain it to you.
> Be sure to read the whole story.
But, if you know that Romney's a "tax cheat," why haven't you turned him
in? Tax snitches get a portion of any money recovered.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Sid9
Jul 4, 2012, 11:30:19 AM7/4/12
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"Bert" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA086698D1F4...@216.250.188.140...
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The pot is close to boiling:
July 4, 2012
Assets Offshore Raise Romney Wealth Questions
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) - For nearly 15 years, Republican presidential candidate
Mitt Romney's financial portfolio has included an offshore company that
remained invisible to voters as his political star rose.
Based in Bermuda, Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd. was not listed on
any of Romney's state or federal financial reports. The company is among
several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed, including one
that recently posted a $1.9 million earning - suggesting he could be
wealthier than the nearly $250 million estimated by his campaign.
The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities overseeing
Romney's ethics filings, and he has never been cited for failing to disclose
information about his money. But Romney's limited disclosures deprive the
public of an accurate depiction of his wealth and a clear understanding of
how his assets are handled and taxed, according to experts in private
equity, tax and campaign finance law.
Sankaty was transferred to a trust owned by Romney's wife, Ann, one day
before he was sworn in as Massachusetts governor in 2003, according to
Bermuda records obtained by The Associated Press. The Romneys' ownership of
the offshore firm did not appear on any state or federal financial reports
during Romney's two presidential campaigns. Only the Romneys' 2010 tax
records, released under political pressure earlier this year, confirmed
their continuing control of the company.
The mystery surrounding Sankaty reinforces Romney's history of keeping a
tight rein on his public dealings, already documented by his use of private
email and computer purges as Massachusetts governor and his refusal to
disclose his top fundraisers. The Bermuda company had almost no assets,
according to Romney's 2010 tax returns. But such partnership stakes could
still provide significant income for years to come, said tax experts, who
added that the lack of disclosure makes it impossible to know for certain.
"We don't know the big picture," said Victor Fleischer, a University of
Colorado law professor and private equity expert who urged corporate tax
code reforms during congressional testimony last year. "Most of these
disclosure rules are designed for people who have passive ownership of
stocks and bonds. But in this case, he continues to own management interests
that fluctuate greatly in value long after his time with the company and
even the end of his separation agreement. And the public has no clear idea
where the money is coming from or when it will end."
Named for a historic Massachusetts coastal lighthouse, Sankaty was part of a
cluster of similarly named hedge funds run by Bain Capital, the private
equity firm Romney founded and led until 1999. The offshore company was used
in Bain's $1 billion takeover of Domino's Pizza and other
multimillion-dollar investment deals more than a decade ago.
Romney's campaign declined to answer detailed questions from AP about
Sankaty. Romney aides have said in the past that some disclosures were not
required because those assets were valued by his financial advisers at less
than $1,000 - below the minimum threshold under federal rules set by the
U.S. Office of Government Ethics. A financial snapshot of Sankaty in
Romney's 2010 tax returns showed the holding with almost no value at the
time- with $10,000 in both assets and liabilities.
"Everything on the filings is reported as required," campaign spokeswoman
Andrea Saul said in a brief statement. "If OGE has an issue with any
filings, they would let us know." The agency declined to comment.
While Sankaty no longer plays an active role in Bain's current deals,
private equity experts said such holdings could provide significant income
to Romney under his 10-year separation agreement from Bain, which expired in
2009. Investment funds typically churn "carried interest," profit shares due
to the managers of the funds that often range as much as 20 percent of a
fund's annual profit - known as "the carry." Even after investment funds are
exhausted, profit shares and other late earnings from those stakes can
continue to stream, arriving as lucrative "tails," tax experts say. In some
circumstances, the analysts added, offshore companies like Sankaty could
also offer limited tax deferral advantages.
The implications of Romney's Bain profit-sharing became clear last month
when his trust reported that one rarely disclosed asset had posted a $1.9
million payout. The income was described as a "true-up" payment, catch-up
income that made up for unpaid earnings owed to Romney as part of his Bain
separation agreement.
Such sizable earnings are possible "depending on the terms of the
agreement," said tax law expert Michael Kosnitzky, an attorney at the New
York firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner. The Romney campaign acknowledged
recently that it could not rule out more large future payments.
The use of offshore companies such as Sankaty is allowed under U.S. tax
laws. They are typically set up as shell corporations by private equity and
hedge funds to route investments from large foreign and institutional
investors, such as large pension plans, into corporate takeovers. The money
is used to provide equity and buy up debt. In turn, the investors gain U.S.
tax advantages by passing their funds through the offshore "blocker"
corporations, avoiding a high 35 percent tax on earnings that the Internal
Revenue Service describes as "unrelated business income."
Set up in Bermuda in 1997, Sankaty served as Romney's partnership stake in
Bain's Sankaty group, which invests in bonds, bank loans and corporate debt
instruments. That first wave of Sankaty funds managed more than $100 million
in investments in the late 1990s and early 2000s, according to a corporate
analyst familiar with the funds. The analyst insisted on anonymity because
the analyst was not authorized to discuss the funds publicly.
Since late 2003, Romney has left his financial decisions to what his
campaign describes as a "blind trust" overseen by lawyer R. Bradford Malt, a
longtime Boston legal associate. The trust was set up under Massachusetts
law, but it's not a federally qualified blind trust - which Romney plans to
use if he wins the presidency. Romney does not oversee his investments under
his current trust, but its general composition is made public and Malt
invests according to Romney's political positions.
Romney's 2010 tax returns show him and his wife as sole owners of Sankaty. A
2011 Bermuda legal document lists Malt as Sankaty's president. Michael F.
Goss, currently Bain Capital's chief operating officer, is listed as vice
president, and Quorum Corporate Ltd., a Bermuda law firm, as secretary. Malt
deferred questions about Sankaty to the Romney campaign; Bain Capital and
Quorum declined to comment.
The candidate's 2010 tax returns listed at least 20 investment holdings
besides Sankaty that had not been previously disclosed on federal reports.
At least seven were foreign investments. Bain Capital Inc., the holding that
posted the $1.9 million earning, was listed on Romney's state ethics reports
in 2001 and 2002, when he ran for governor, but was missing from any annual
ethics report until Romney's trust included it last month on his 2012
financial statement.
Sankaty is the only offshore holding in the Romneys' portfolio under their
full control. On his 2010 taxes, Romney's blind trust filed an IRS form
identifying Sankaty as a "controlled foreign corporation." That filing is
required for any U.S. taxpayer who owns more than 50 percent of a foreign
company. Romney's 2010 tax returns indicate that he and his wife control all
12,000 shares.
Several U.S. Securities and Exchange documents from the late 1990s and 2000s
depicted Romney as Sankaty's owner at the time, but when he ran for
Massachusetts governor in 2001 and 2002, Romney did not list the company on
annual disclosure forms required by the Massachusetts State Ethics
Commission.
The ethics commission would not comment on the omissions. Boston College law
professor R. Michael Cassidy, who was a member of the commission at the
time, said that if Romney "owned this business before he signed his ethics
disclosure, then he was obliged to report it." The state's disclosure rules
also allow a $1,000 minimum threshold. A six-year statute of limitations
covering Romney's ethics reports has since expired.
Bermuda legal documents show that on Jan. 1, 2003, the day before Romney was
sworn in as governor, his wife's trust acquired 12,000 shares of Sankaty.
The transfer was not made public. The month before, Romney had placed his
assets in the state-approved trust overseen by Malt. The move legally
allowed the trust to describe Romney's holdings in 2003 only as "various
investments and securities" - without providing details. The trust filed
similar disclosures between 2004 and 2007, the last year of Romney's term.
Romney's use of Sankaty as his partnership stake in Bain deals is documented
in several U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reports between 1998 and
2000. The company controlled 50,000 shares of Global-Tech Appliances Inc., a
Chinese appliance firm that Bain briefly invested in. Sankaty was also used
to manage 385,000 shares in the 1999 takeover of Domino's, as well as the
$75 million investment into the Stericycle waste disposal firm and a $150
million investment in the US LEC telecommunication firm.
Romney was named as sole owner and president of Sankaty in several of those
documents. Though no longer active at Bain by then because he had left to
head Salt Lake City's Olympic Games bid, Romney remained a participant
because of his partnership stake.
Even though Sankaty is no longer used for Bain investments, several tax
analysts said its legal offshore status still could be used by Romney to
defer some taxes on some of the "carried interest" income related to the
Bain deals.
Romney has said he gets no tax break. He told an audience at a Maine town
hall appearance in February that "I have not saved one dollar by having an
investment somewhere outside this country."
But the lack of disclosure over the years, private equity experts said,
makes it impossible to tell.
"Without knowing more about an offshore's history and how it was used,"
Fleischer said, "you're left in the dark."
--
Ziggy's law, "For every complicated problem there's usually a simple
solution and its always wrong!"
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 11:33:08 AM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 11:36:07 AM7/4/12
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other than the cops and feds. There wasn't for Obama and there wasn't
for Gary Hart. The media are doing their job of trying to get to the
bottom of what's really behind Romney's wealth. That's the vetting
process. You do want a president who has been vetted, don't you?
Well, don't you, Hartung? Come on, speak up, boy, cat got your
tongue? Seems a tough question for you to answer.
Bert
Jul 4, 2012, 11:36:41 AM7/4/12
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In news:jt1nid$f5n$1...@dont-email.me "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities
> overseeing Romney's ethics filings,
And?
> The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities
> overseeing Romney's ethics filings,
Sid9
Jul 4, 2012, 11:39:34 AM7/4/12
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news:XnsA0866BF2513...@216.250.188.141...
The empty suit will be exposed.
The election season is only just beginning
July 4, 2012
Assets Offshore Raise Romney Wealth Questions
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) - For nearly 15 years, Republican presidential candidate
Mitt Romney's financial portfolio has included an offshore company that
remained invisible to voters as his political star rose.
Based in Bermuda, Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd. was not listed on
any of Romney's state or federal financial reports. The company is among
several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed, including one
that recently posted a $1.9 million earning - suggesting he could be
wealthier than the nearly $250 million estimated by his campaign.
The election season is only just beginning
July 4, 2012
Assets Offshore Raise Romney Wealth Questions
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) - For nearly 15 years, Republican presidential candidate
Mitt Romney's financial portfolio has included an offshore company that
remained invisible to voters as his political star rose.
Based in Bermuda, Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors Ltd. was not listed on
any of Romney's state or federal financial reports. The company is among
several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed, including one
that recently posted a $1.9 million earning - suggesting he could be
wealthier than the nearly $250 million estimated by his campaign.
The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities overseeing
Bert
Jul 4, 2012, 11:42:00 AM7/4/12
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In news:jt1o3r$io6$1...@dont-email.me "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities
> overseeing Romney's ethics filings,
Do you have a point, other than advertising your amazing skills at
> The omissions were permitted by state and federal authorities
> overseeing Romney's ethics filings,
copy-and-paste?
azjohn
Jul 4, 2012, 11:58:11 AM7/4/12
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On 7/3/2012 12:25 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> "azjohn" <hab...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:jsv67f$95m$5...@wieslauf.sub.de...
>> If Romney was a tax cheat, Obama would have appointed him to his cabinet.
>
> .
> .
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
>
>
> --bks
>
>
> Empty suit Romney is yet to be dissected during this political season!
Nobody except the Marxists care. We're just happy he is going to defeat
the Kenyan village idiot.
>
> "azjohn" <hab...@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:jsv67f$95m$5...@wieslauf.sub.de...
>> If Romney was a tax cheat, Obama would have appointed him to his cabinet.
>
> .
> .
>
>
> --bks
>
>
> Empty suit Romney is yet to be dissected during this political season!
Nobody except the Marxists care. We're just happy he is going to defeat
the Kenyan village idiot.
Sid9
Jul 4, 2012, 12:04:12 PM7/4/12
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Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
country.
When presidential decisions regarding such overseas monies arise would
Romney protect America or his private fortune?
.
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Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
country.
When presidential decisions regarding such overseas monies arise would
Romney protect America or his private fortune?
Harold Burton
Jul 4, 2012, 12:07:18 PM7/4/12
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In article <jt1phu$rgj$1...@dont-email.me>, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
> country.
Which makes him different from the Kennedy's and John, Kerry, how?
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
wrote:
> Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
> country.
Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Steve
Jul 4, 2012, 12:18:10 PM7/4/12
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>> Yeah, I know that you suggested it, but then, you are a nothing...
>
>Well, someone can be better as a nothing than a half-legged, half-eyed
>lemonade stand operator preying on little girls.
wasn't even trying...
Steve
Jul 4, 2012, 12:18:10 PM7/4/12
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nobody of any significance cares about your obsession.
>What are you afraid of?
First.Post
Jul 4, 2012, 12:19:58 PM7/4/12
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"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:jt1phu$rgj$1...@dont-email.me:
What kind of presidential decisions would that be idiot?
And it doesn't seem to matter to you because your king has reaped plenty
of benefits from offshore bank accounts. His largest backers have
billions stashed offshore and you think their shit doesn't stink.
You don;t thing that he might want to protect his own cash cows?
Of course you being a complete hypocrite is one of the very few
consistencies you have.
And it doesn't seem to matter to you because your king has reaped plenty
of benefits from offshore bank accounts. His largest backers have
billions stashed offshore and you think their shit doesn't stink.
You don;t thing that he might want to protect his own cash cows?
Of course you being a complete hypocrite is one of the very few
consistencies you have.
First.Post
Jul 4, 2012, 12:23:14 PM7/4/12
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Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote in
news:j9q8v755o6ubcpk6c...@4ax.com:
Why should any American citizen give a flying fuck what a fat assed out
of work Canadian cow that sucks off their own tax payers demands?
news:j9q8v755o6ubcpk6c...@4ax.com:
of work Canadian cow that sucks off their own tax payers demands?
Sid9
Jul 4, 2012, 12:33:50 PM7/4/12
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"First.Post" <OccupierDum...@invalid.org> wrote in message
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See you Doc if you health insurance.
He/She may be able to help.
azjohn
Jul 4, 2012, 12:34:35 PM7/4/12
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On 7/3/2012 8:36 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:12:31 -0700 (PDT), jane <jane....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
>> opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
>
>
> But----that's the standard you have on Holder.
>
Holder is in contempt of congress and could be jailed.
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:12:31 -0700 (PDT), jane <jane....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
>> opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
>
>
> But----that's the standard you have on Holder.
>
Holder is in contempt of congress and could be jailed.
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emoneyjoe
Jul 4, 2012, 1:51:19 PM7/4/12
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things they know nothing about?
A number of different types of assets can
change value quickly, either direction.
Intellectual property, like patents or trade
secrets, may not have or be thought to be worth
anything, yet in a short time become valuable.
Empty land or real estate can become very
valuable if other things happen, like a highway
being built, making the empty land desirable
for building on.
Mineral rights, oil leases, and many other
assets vary in value as markets change.
But assholes using smear tactics must
not have every dealt in property that gained
or lost value.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 4, 2012, 1:56:51 PM7/4/12
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It's simple, even the Republicans are asking Romney to release
his pre-2010 tax returns. All he has to do is release them.
Why is he afraid to do so? Tax fraud.
--bks
Sid9
Jul 4, 2012, 1:59:54 PM7/4/12
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:jt2053$8p0$1...@reader1.panix.com...
More likely than not it is not tax fraud.
American taxes are cheap
jane
Jul 4, 2012, 2:10:20 PM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 11:42 pm, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:18 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> > > Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> > > >> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> > > >> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> > > >So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
> > > > ...
>
> > > The entire article is about Romney being a tax cheat! Here's
> > > the full URL; readers are encouraged to read it for themselves:
> > > <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> > > --bks
>
> > > p.s. You should learn to spell your candidate's name
> > didn't prove it. All he did was point to off shore investments.
> > Having offshore investments is not proof of tax evasion or being a tax
> > cheat. I have off shore investments and I can assure you that I am
> > not a tax cheat.
>
> Don't get silly. You have no offshore investments at all.
>
>
Although it is not "off shore", one of my foreign investments is in
your country. It is involved in Canadian Oil Sands.
You would be an idiot if you invested your retirement portfolio in
only one single country.
>
> > Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
> > a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
> > make accusations about Romney.
>
> Interesting that Romney is still holding off on releasing his tax
> forms till October. What's he got to hide? Why October? That won't
> give people a lot of time to really scrutinize the doctored details,
> especially if he decides to release them on Halloween.
>
>
He has already released his 2010 tax return quit some time ago. You
can find it here:
http://www.mittromney.com/learn/mitt/tax-return/2010/wmr-adr-return
Have fun. Why don't you used it to prove to the rest of us that
Romney is a tax cheat?
The 2011 tax returns are not are not due and most likely haven't been
filed yet. He has posted an estimate.
NOW, you must have read the article that Bradley posted. Since
Bradley has failed to quote where the article proved that Romney is a
tax cheat, why don't you try?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > BTW: you said you cite "chapter and verse". That trite cliche might
> > sound good, but you cited neither "chapter" nor "verse". Your
> > citation is nothing but an opinion piece.
> On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:18 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> > > Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >On Jul 3, 2:58 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> > > >> emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > The article has a lot of insinuations, with no
> > > >> >actual wrong doing mentioned.
>
> > > >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> > > >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > > >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
> > > >> Here's the URL. Read it and weep:
> > > >> It says Governor Flip-Flop Etch-A-Sketch has *12*
> > > >> accounts in the Caymans and has consistently
> > > >> *refused* to come clean about what's in them.
>
>
> > > >So nothing in there about Romeny being a tax cheat. Thanks for doing
> > > > ...
>
> > > The entire article is about Romney being a tax cheat! Here's
> > > the full URL; readers are encouraged to read it for themselves:
> > > <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> > > --bks
>
> > > p.s. You should learn to spell your candidate's name
>
> > The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
> > opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
>
> > Romney "might" be a tax cheat, but the author of the opinion piece
> > The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
> > opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
>
> > didn't prove it. All he did was point to off shore investments.
> > Having offshore investments is not proof of tax evasion or being a tax
> > cheat. I have off shore investments and I can assure you that I am
> > not a tax cheat.
>
> Don't get silly. You have no offshore investments at all.
>
>
Although it is not "off shore", one of my foreign investments is in
your country. It is involved in Canadian Oil Sands.
You would be an idiot if you invested your retirement portfolio in
only one single country.
>
> > Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
> > a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
> > make accusations about Romney.
>
> Interesting that Romney is still holding off on releasing his tax
> forms till October. What's he got to hide? Why October? That won't
> give people a lot of time to really scrutinize the doctored details,
> especially if he decides to release them on Halloween.
>
>
He has already released his 2010 tax return quit some time ago. You
can find it here:
http://www.mittromney.com/learn/mitt/tax-return/2010/wmr-adr-return
Have fun. Why don't you used it to prove to the rest of us that
Romney is a tax cheat?
The 2011 tax returns are not are not due and most likely haven't been
filed yet. He has posted an estimate.
NOW, you must have read the article that Bradley posted. Since
Bradley has failed to quote where the article proved that Romney is a
tax cheat, why don't you try?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > BTW: you said you cite "chapter and verse". That trite cliche might
> > sound good, but you cited neither "chapter" nor "verse". Your
> > citation is nothing but an opinion piece.
jane
Jul 4, 2012, 2:11:54 PM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 8:23 pm, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
>
> Oh, right, there's the part about Willard Etch-A-Sketch, while
> he was Overlord of Bain teaching interns how to lie.
>
> Don't take our word for it, read it yourself:
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
I noticed how you failed to list "chapter and verse" where there is
proof that Romney is a tax cheat.
> jane <jane.pla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >The entire article is not about Romney being a tax cheat; it is an
> >opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
> > ...
> >opinion piece with a lot of presumption and no proof.
>
> Oh, right, there's the part about Willard Etch-A-Sketch, while
> he was Overlord of Bain teaching interns how to lie.
>
> Don't take our word for it, read it yourself:
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-...>
>
> --bks
I noticed how you failed to list "chapter and verse" where there is
proof that Romney is a tax cheat.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 4, 2012, 2:26:58 PM7/4/12
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jane <jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I noticed how you failed to list "chapter and verse" where there is
>proof that Romney is a tax cheat.
>
Oh, I've provided chapter and verse from _Vanity Fair_, Associated
>
>I noticed how you failed to list "chapter and verse" where there is
>proof that Romney is a tax cheat.
>
Press and _The Washington Post_. All that remains is for an
investigation into Romney's lies about his transactions with
"foreign entities" and it's all over.
--bks
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 2:46:25 PM7/4/12
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provided.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 2:49:28 PM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 3:58:48 PM7/4/12
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>
> You would be an idiot if you invested your retirement portfolio in
> only one single country.
> > > Timothy [tax-cheat] Geithner IS a proven tax cheat. Romney "might" be
> > > a tax cheat, but you should have the same level of proof before you
> > > make accusations about Romney.
>
> > Interesting that Romney is still holding off on releasing his tax
> > forms till October. What's he got to hide? Why October? That won't
> > give people a lot of time to really scrutinize the doctored details,
> > especially if he decides to release them on Halloween.
>
> He has already released his 2010 tax return quit some time ago. You
> can find it here:http://www.mittromney.com/learn/mitt/tax-return/2010/wmr-adr-return
>
> Have fun. Why don't you used it to prove to the rest of us that
> Romney is a tax cheat?
>
> The 2011 tax returns are not are not due and most likely haven't been
> filed yet. He has posted an estimate.
>
> NOW, you must have read the article that Bradley posted. Since
> Bradley has failed to quote where the article proved that Romney is a
> tax cheat, why don't you try?
dumbfounded by it you come across. The article was circling around
available data to arrive at possible explanations, not to prove or
disprove anything. But it is interesting how something he has claimed
as being worth virtually nothing still manages to deliver millions
into his hands each year. I've got a bunch of things that are worth
virtually nothing, now if I could only find a way to convert all those
pots and pans into millions, I'd be set for the rest of my life.
David Hartung
Jul 4, 2012, 4:10:32 PM7/4/12
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wy
Jul 4, 2012, 4:17:21 PM7/4/12
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or the problem of right wingnuts who always seem to automatically
misconstrue things because they get so testily defensive by any
perceived obscene corruption among their own kind.
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jane
Jul 4, 2012, 6:09:09 PM7/4/12
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Bradley stated, "Breaking! Romney Exposed As Tax Cheat"
Bradley then provided the opinion piece as his citation.
I as asking Bradly to defend HIS subject line. I was asking Bradley
where, in his citation, was the defense for the claim that Romney was
Exposed As a Tax Cheat.
Bradley has failed. Either Bradley is an idiot who does not know the
definition of the word "proof", or he is a liar.
Your failure to understand the context of the discussion illustrates
how dumbfounded you come across.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 4, 2012, 6:17:06 PM7/4/12
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jane <jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
Bradley has provided hard facts from the _Washington Post_,
Associated Press and _Vanity Fair_ and some opinion pieces
from other sources. Bradley is the only one here providing
hard facts. Bradly is the only one to actually quote the
sources and provide URLs.
Romney needs to come clean and release his pre-2010 tax
returns. What is he hiding?
--bks
No need to listen to Jane or to me. Read the articles for
yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mystery-bermuda-based-company-and-other-undisclosed-romney-assets-hint-of-larger-wealth/2012/07/04/gJQAbU1SMW_story.html>
> ...
>Bradley then provided the opinion piece as his citation.
> ...
Bradley has provided hard facts from the _Washington Post_,
Associated Press and _Vanity Fair_ and some opinion pieces
from other sources. Bradley is the only one here providing
hard facts. Bradly is the only one to actually quote the
sources and provide URLs.
Romney needs to come clean and release his pre-2010 tax
returns. What is he hiding?
--bks
No need to listen to Jane or to me. Read the articles for
yourself:
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts>
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mystery-bermuda-based-company-and-other-undisclosed-romney-assets-hint-of-larger-wealth/2012/07/04/gJQAbU1SMW_story.html>
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 6:55:52 PM7/4/12
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> >> --bks
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> >> Empty suit Romney is yet to be dissected during this political season!
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> > Nobody except the Marxists care. We're just happy he is going to defeat
> > the Kenyan village idiot.
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> Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
> country.
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> When presidential decisions regarding such overseas monies arise would
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> >> --bks
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> >> Empty suit Romney is yet to be dissected during this political season!
>
> > Nobody except the Marxists care. We're just happy he is going to defeat
> > the Kenyan village idiot.
>
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> .
> .
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> Every American should care that Romney has substantial funds outside of our
> country.
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> When presidential decisions regarding such overseas monies arise would
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Just like everyone should've cared about Obama's radical and mostly
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hidden past ??
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 6:58:33 PM7/4/12
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Jul 4, 2012, 6:57:46 PM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 12:14 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
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> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Are you aware that the head of the Obama IRS, Timmy Geithner, is a tax
> >evader himself?
>
> You're only a "tax-evader" if you refuse to pay a revised, re-computed
> tax.
>
> If you pay a revised audited IRS tax liability---you're one of
> millions who do.
Did Geithner pay all he owed? Did he pay BEFORE being hand picked for
Obama's Administration?
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
>
> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Are you aware that the head of the Obama IRS, Timmy Geithner, is a tax
> >evader himself?
>
> You're only a "tax-evader" if you refuse to pay a revised, re-computed
> tax.
>
> If you pay a revised audited IRS tax liability---you're one of
> millions who do.
Did Geithner pay all he owed? Did he pay BEFORE being hand picked for
Obama's Administration?
wy
Jul 4, 2012, 7:01:28 PM7/4/12
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wingnuts resort to it. A lot. Bradley is just mocking what right
wingnuts have mastered themselves. Hyperbole. And that's a kind
"nuance" that right wingnuts fail to always get. Like you've
effectively demonstrated yourself.
Bradley K. Sherman
Jul 4, 2012, 7:48:13 PM7/4/12
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More questions being raised. Will Romney ever tell the
truth?
|
| Romney has been involved in an offshore company for over
| fifteen years that has been kept from the public eye.
| Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors, Ltd., has never been
| listed in any federal or state financial reports. This and
| several other holdings have never been reported, including
| one that had a reported earnings of 1.9 million dollars.
| This suggests that Mr. Romney could be worth far more than
| the reported 250 million by his campaign.
|
| He has never been cited for tax code violations, claiming
| these assets are below the required amount necessary to
| reveal them. However, at the least, he has not fully
| disclosed to the voters his actual assets and therefore his
| personal wealth.
|
| What makes this more interesting, and a little suspicious,
| is that Sankaty was transferred to a trust owned by
| Romney's wife, Ann, one day before he was sworn in as the
| governor of Massachusetts in 2003, according to Bermuda
| records. Romney's interests in the company were not
| disclosed in any federal returns or in any other campaign.
| When forced by political pressure, they were finally
| disclosed in his tax records in 2010.
| ...
<http://guardianlv.com/2012/07/did-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-hide-offshore-holdings/>
--bks
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