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On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:54:47 -0600, <jpn71u8bukgt9imja...@4ax.com>
DOC <USE-NUMBER-INSTEA...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

ALL LINKS GIVEN ARE ACTIVE December 9, 2001 for verification.

This also applies:
<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>

>http://bnaibrith.org/pr/brazil2.html
>(Link active December 9, 2001 for verification)
>
>From the World's Largest Jewish Organization
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>B'nai B'rith
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>LANDMARK COURT DECISION CONVICTS HOLOCAUST DENIER IN BRAZIL
>Washington, D.C. (November 7, 1996) -- For the first time in Latin America a
>Holocaust denier has been found guilty and sentenced to two years in prison.
>The landmark decision of the High Court of Justice in the southernmost
>Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul reversed a lower court ruling and
>resulted in the conviction of Siegfried Ellwanger on grounds that he violated
>the nation's constitution and penal code.
>
><I'd bet that Jews put great pressure on politicians to have this penal code
>written and enacted! Tavish comment>
>
>The president of B'nai B'rith in Brazil hailed the decision.
>
><Mere words will get you prison! This is what McVay and his Jews
>are up to on a global scale. Tavish comment>
>
>"Holocaust deniers such as Ellwanger seek to encourage racial and
>religious divisions that are not compatible with our democratic
>society," said Abrao Lowenthal.
>
><It is NOT a democratic society but a communist one that imprisons
>people for mere words. Jews are the worst enemies of any nation's
>liberties there is- especially the United States! Tavish comment>
>
>B'nai B'rith along with other Jewish groups in Brazil brought Ellwanger
>to trial.
>
><One only wonders how many other people in how many other nations
>will eventually go on trial and be imprisoned for saying things the
>Neo-Bolshevist progeny of the original Bolsheviks dislike! Tavish comment>
>
>Under the ruling, Ellwanger's books will be confiscated and banned.
>Ellwanger, who writes under the name "S.E. Castan," has written or
>published 13 anti-Semitic books in Portuguese including the infamous
>The Elders of the Protocols of Zion and Henry Ford's The International
>Jew. One of Ellwanger's books is titled The Holocaust: Jewish or German."
>
><END OF EXCERPT>
>
>We know for a fact that B'nai Brith funds Ken McVay's Nizkor too as this proves:
>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
>The Nizkor Project
>c/o The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada..."
>
>So we do know that an organizations which seeks as its agenda to have people
>imprisoned for their views funds McVay.

More on B'nai Brith being involved in having people sentenced to prison for
"Holocaust Denial"

Using GOOGLE WEB SEARCH http://www.google.com/advanced_search
Using keywords: B'nai Brith holocaust denier sentenced prison

Some sample returns:

Declaration on Race and Racial Prejudice - Comprehensive ...
... fines and short prison sentences for the ... latter three sentenced. ... of
the Holocaust denier T.Christoffersen. ... in which B'nai Brith's League for ...
www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html

Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94
Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94
The period of 1991-'94 was marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism,
resulting mainly from the collapse of the communist block in Europe and the
reunification of Germany.

<<Doc Tavish comment December 9, 2001: This is the second time I've run across
Jews saying anti-Semitism rises with the collapse of Communism! They are in
effect saying- Communism Was Their Guardian Angel. Here is another document
relating the same:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=10&selm=2pst5tkvukmevva21qreo9nbohr6reo8q0%404ax.com
From: Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Read Between the Lines -- Was Communism Jews' Guardian Angel?
Message-ID: <2pst5tkvukmevva21...@4ax.com>
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.html
(Link active January 12, 2001)

<FAIR USE INTENDED>

Press Release Anti-Semitism-International

ADL OPENS VIENNA OFFICE TO COMBAT GROWING ANTI-SEMITISM IN CENTRAL/EASTERN
EUROPE

New York, NY, May 7, 1997...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has
established a new European Regional Office in Vienna, Austria, as part of
its world-wide commitment to fighting anti-Semitism, bigotry and racism.
The office opens as Jewish institutions reemerge across Central and
Eastern Europe in the face of increased anti-Semitism, inter-ethnic
friction and overall xenophobia. The office is sponsored by The Ronald S.
Lauder Foundation.

"The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said Abraham
H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "We hope to counteract this threat and
increase the sense of security and empowerment of Jewish communities
throughout the area....
End of Doc Tavish comment.>>

Back to the excerpt of: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM,
1991 - '94 Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94
The period of 1991-'94 was marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism,
resulting mainly from the collapse of the communist block in Europe and the
reunification of Germany. ... The legal fight against antisemitism
Increased desire to combat antisemitism by punishing antisemites through the
application of existing criminal law was encountered in many European countries,
both in the West and in the East. One of the problems preventing prosecution is
lack of special laws punishing the manifestations of antisemitism ...
--1 New national legislation directed against antisemitic activities:
1992. Belgium - A draft law against Holocaust denial and vindication of crimes
against humanity was proposed in parliament by the Socialist party. (Following
lengthy debate the law was passed in January 1995). In the meantime (1993-4) the
antiracist legislation of 1981 was employed in a number of cases.
1994, December. Belgium - Bill introduced to outlaw Holocaust denial (passed in
1995.
1994, December. Germany - A bill was enacted establishing a five-year jail
sentence for denying the Holocaust..
--2 Suppression of antisemitic activities.
1992. France - A number of antisemitic publicists, book sellers and activists
were punished in France.
1992, June. Russia A.Batogov, publisher and editor of a chauvinistic and
antisemitic paper, was arrested under article 74 of the Criminal Code.
1993, November. Great Britain - Lady Birdwood, an antisemitic agitator, was
found guilty of disseminating her antisemitic writings and was given a suspended
prison sentence.
1993. Hungary - The editor of the antisemitic journal "Szent Korona", Laszlo
Romhanyi, was sentenced to 6 months' suspended imprisonment.
1994, January, Czech Republic J.Tomas, editor of the antisemitic weekly
"Politika", was sentenced to 1 year in prison and to a three-year publication
ban. It must be noted, that in East and Central European countries, judicial
authorities showed leniency in application of the law against antisemites.
--4 Prosecution of Holocaust deniers and revisionists
1991. France - Trials against revisionists were held; A. Guionnet, the publisher
of "Revision", was imprisoned for several months, the others fined heavily.
1993. France - Several persons were punished with fines and short prison
sentences for the spreading the message of Holocaust denial.
1994. France - The owners of two book shops selling antisemitic materials were
prosecuted.
1994. In Germany, trials were held against Holocaust deniers: G. Rudolf,
G.Deckert, E. Althans, J. Witzsch; the latter three sentenced.

<end>

All of the above from the Jewish B'nai Brith!

Countering Hate on the Internet: Recommendations for Action
... to a prison sentence of ... a Holocaust denier to speak ... Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada might ... Citron, a Holocaust survivor. The ... The Court sentenced
McAleer ...
www.media-awareness.ca/eng/issues/internet/resource/matas.htm

Excerpt: "Posting to combat Holocaust denial is best exemplified by the Nizkor
project led by Ken McVay. The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith Canada has
a site more general in nature about combatting anti-Semitism. ... Another form
of non-legal response is withdrawal of services. Access to the internet
requires an internet access provider. Internet access providers are commercial
enterprises which are free to offer, or to decline to offer their services to
whomever they want, provided they are non-discriminatory. ... One common
technique for combatting hate speech is approaching those who would provide a
platform for hatemongers and asking them to withdraw the platform. If a
university student organization invites a Holocaust denier to speak on campus,
the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada might ask the organization to
withdraw the invitation, explaining to them who the speaker is and why the
invitation is inappropriate. There is no reason why similar techniques could not
be employed with phone companies and internet access providers. Hate speech
combatants can approach phone companies and internet access providers to ask
them to withdraw their services from hatemongers abusing the services to spread
hatred."

Canada
... prepared by B'nai Brith Canada (BBC ... schoolteacher and Holocaust denier
Malcolm Ross ... minor - were sentenced to between 15 ... years in prison after
... www.axt.org.uk/antisem/countries/canada/canada.htm

Excerpt: "Since June 1997 Holocaust-denier and antisemitic publisher Ernst
Zundel (see Holocaust denial) has been facing a tribunal inquiry of the Human
Rights Commission regarding his Internet website, the so-called Zundelsite,
based in California and nominally run by Ingrid Rimland, Zundel's lover (see
Publications and media). The commission was acting in response to complaints
that Zundel was posting material that exposed Jews to hatred or contempt and
denied the Holocaust. The Commission contends that, despite the fact that the
web-site is based in California, Zundel controls its contents and can be
prosecuted under Canadian law."

Keywords: B'nai Brith holocaust denier prosecute

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/tribune/jt-media2.htm
"LONDON — A student group at Oxford cancels a debate on freedom of speech that
was to feature Holocaust denier David Irving. The Oxford Union, a debating
society, decides to call off the event at the last minute after intense pressure
from a range of groups."

That looks like one freedom of speech debate stifled by Jews!

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/institute/millennium/millennium10.html
"Community Priorities
Probably the highest profile antisemite in Canada over the past twenty years has
been Ernst Zundel, a professional Holocaust-denier in Toronto. He has certainly
been an annoyance and a nuisance, but he has also been hamstrung in his
activities because of vigorous actions by Jewish organizations and the
government. Moreover, his attempt to obtain citizenship after many years of
immigrant status was thwarted by government action."

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mock-karen/countering-hate.html
"Canada is also a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights, which came into force in 1976 and specifically prohibits hate
propaganda. Its Article 20(2) reads: "Any advocacy of national, racial or
religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or
violence shall be prohibited by law." The Canadian Human Rights Act also
addresses the issue of hate propaganda. Section 13 specifies:

It is a violation of the act

To communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated in whole or in
part by means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the
legislative authority of parliament [i.e. the telephone system and all
electronic media] any matter any matter that is likely to expose a person or
persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that person or those persons
are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination [race,
national or ethnic origin, color, religion.... . The memory of the Holocaust was
also undoubtedly part of the motivation behind Section 1 of the Canadian Charter
of Rights and Freedoms, placing limits on those freedoms so that democracy could
not destroy itself, as it did in pre-war Germany.
... Donald Andrews and his cohort Robert Smith in Ontario were members of the
Nationalist Party of Canada, and were responsible for publishing and
distributing the Nationalist Reporter: A legal search of their home revealed
hateful materials for distribution, including mailing lists, racist stickers,
publications with anti-Semitic themes and Holocaust denial. Keegstra, and Smith
and Andrews, were charged and convicted under the hate propaganda laws.. Perhaps
surprisingly, the Canadian resident Ernst Zuendel, one of the most active
purveyors of anti-Semitic Holocaust denial in the world, has never been charged
with the willful promotion of hatred. ... When charges were sought against
Zuendel, the then attorney-general of Ontario would not consent to a hate
charge; and so Zuendel was charged in 1983 under Section 181 (known as the false
news section) on the basis of a private complaint concerning the distribution of
his pamphlet, "Did Six Million Really Die?" Zuendel was convicted twice by a
jury, but the Supreme Court of Canada (in a 4-3 decision) ruled in 1992 that the
false news section was unconstitutional, in that free speech was too restricted.
Zuendel is currently under investigation by a human rights tribunal, pursuant to
a complaint under the Canadian Human Rights Act, on the basis of his promoting
hatred in the form of Holocaust denial ... Provincial human rights commissions
have also been used successfully to counter anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial
in Canada. Two recent cases stand out in this regard. New Brunswick's Human
Rights Code was used to curtail the activities of teacher Malcolm Ross, the
author of several books arguing the Holocaust was a fraud. On the other side of
the country, Doug Collins, a columnist with the North Shore News in Vancouver,
penned anti-Semitic diatribes on a regular basis. A complaint to the British
Columbia Human Rights Commission that was based on one of his articles,
"Schindler's List is Swindler's List," resulted in the decision that while the
article was deemed to be anti-Semitic, it did not pass the criterion for
"hatred." Another complaint was brought against Collins by Harry Abrams, the
League's representative in Victoria, BC, on the basis of several anti-Semitic
and racist articles. The tribunal found in favor of the complainant, declaring
that the ongoing articles demonstrated a pattern and a cumulative effect of
"exposing a group to contempt and hatred." <Note: Harry Abrams is an ally to
Nizkor's Ken McVay - Doc Tavish Comment>"

http://www.hatewatch.org/research.php?op=readarticle&lid=10
Interview with Harry Abrams December 9, 1999
Excerpt: "The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal in the Canadian Jewish congress
case upheld the constitutionality of the law under which the charges were
brought. The tribunal stated that Collins article was "...obviously
anti-Semitic..." and "presents Jews in a negative light, as powerful
propagandists and profiteers, and depicts, in grossly inaccurate terms, the
extent and victimization in Holocaust…" Despite this, the Human Rights Tribunal
decided that the column was not anti-Semitic enough to warrant legal action and
that the case against Doug Collins and the North Shore News would have carried
more weight if it had been based on more than one article. -- The second case
that Abrams brought against Collins was based on multiple articles showing a
systematic pattern in Collins’ writing which Abrams believed promoted hatred and
contempt towards Jews. The Human Rights Tribunal ruled in Abrams favor and
ordered that Collins and the North Shore News pay $2,000, promptly publish a
summary of the decision in their newspaper, and refrain from issuing
inflammatory statements about Jews."

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8237/gmvs0328.htm
(Interesting link on attacks on service providers by Jewish interests.)

http://www.geocities.com/fc_archive/fc951.html
... While no "holocaust denier", as the special. ... a complaint from B’Nai
Brith’s Harry Abrams ... getting into the Holocaust thing". ... catch and
prosecute

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/10/c/racism/guzman.htm
United Nations Human Rights Website
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAMME OF ACTION FOR THE THIRD DECADE TO COMBAT RACISM
AND RACIAL DISCRIMINATION

Seminar on the role of Internet with regard to the provisions of the
International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial
Discrimination
Geneva, 10-14 November 1997

Item I: Racism and Racial Discrimination on Internet

Madame Commissioner,
Mr. Chairperson,
Committee Members,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

We are gathered together this week to examine racism on the Internet, to share
our expertise and experiences, and to offer recommendations and solutions...

[...]

In November of 1996, Bruce Cohen of the Mail and Guardian in South Africa wrote
an article about cyber-fascists on the march. His article details how fascist
groups are using electronic communications to spread their word. Mr. Cohen's
article provides a list of Fascist resources on the net, the names of electronic
news groups focusing on hate speech, and gives information from some of the web
sites.

[...]

"This small but angry band is testing the limits of free expression on the
information highway. ...they worry me a lot more than the pornographers on the
Net."

An Anti-Defamation League of America press release in February 1997 stated that
the Net harbors hate. In its annual report, the ADL stated that the Internet
offers a potential audience of 35 million... ADL also said that it had no way to
measure the extent of bigotry on the Internet.

[...]

According to Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League,
"hate is polluting the Internet."

In an ADL press release of 21 October 1997, he goes on to say that "racists,
anti-Semites and extremists...spew their hate easily, cheaply, and often
deceptively, potentially reaching numbers of individuals they could have only
dreamed about before..."

The Anti-Defamation League feels that "bigots of all kinds" are using this
communication tool" and the ADL must expose them, hold them up to public
ridicule, and counter their messages of hate.

[...]

Barry D. Bowen, an industry analyst and writer with the Bowen Group, of
Bellingham, Washington. This article, written last November, wants to know if
Web publishers and Internet providers can be held liable for offensive
information.

Mr. Bowen mentions the growth of the extreme right on the Internet, and how
racists may be using it. He says there are about five Usenet news groups
exclusively oriented to white supremacists, but in the last few years they have
targeted other news groups where they felt they might find receptive
participants. These news groups are on government, politics, gun control,
constitutional issues, and so on.

<<See the mention of USENET in United Nations debates? Who is there trying to
influence the U.N. on your "Rights of Free Speech"? JEWS! They are working to
silence all dissent on a global scale! Doc Tavish comment.>>

A lawyer for B'nai Brith said: "... he saw no reason why Canadian law could not
be applied to this new form of communication."

[...]

I would like to thank the High Commissioner, the Chairperson of this seminar,
the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, the participants in
this seminar, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human
Rights, and the online activist community for their time and assistance.

<END>

Does anyone have any doubt that world Jewry is conspiring through the U.N. and
in nation after nation to quell any speech critical of them!? Wise up people and
see these people for what they are!

Doc Tavish

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"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink containing
wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew after the seal of the
bottle has been opened." <http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html>
Information taken from: Is it Kosher, Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and Spirit,
The Lubavitch Women's Cookbook Publications (July 12, 2001)
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a
glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the
wine unclean." Jewish Talmud


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