France Elects a Thatcherite President - God's speed Sarkozy, with your election the Socialist world just got a little smaller
CB
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Monday, May 7, 2007
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/6/150434.shtml?s=tn
On Sunday France elected a pro-American, conservative named Nicolas Sarkozy
as its new president.
The 52-year-old who beat back by 10 percentage points his Socialist rival,
promises an unabashed Thatcherite agenda for France.
Sarkozy also replaces the embattled Jacques Chirac, a relic from an earlier
age of French politics, who made anti-Americanism his hallmark.
Sarkozy campaigned on a platform of sweeping reforms, pledging to dismantle
large portions of the social welfare state and to make France competitive on
world markets again.
He also pledged to reduce taxes, shrink the size of government and shut down
redundant government programs.
Carrying out these reforms will be an uphill battle, but Sarkozy believes
that France is ready for a change. The French have lost faith in work, he
says. "Reviving the work ethic is at the heart of my program."
Sarkozy dreams of awakening France from generations of sclerosis, just as
Margaret Thatcher did in Britain a generation ago.
Today, Britain is the economic engine driving Europe, and hundreds of
thousands of young French men and women have emigrated there, seeking better
pay, lower taxes, and greater freedom to create. Even Britain's Labour party
under Tony Blair have continued many of Thatcher's pro-growth, free market
policies.
Sarkozy hopes to lure French expats back home by reducing taxes on small
businesses, and by making workers more mobile. During Wednesday's debate
with his Socialist opponent, Ségolčne Royal, he called a key Socialist gain,
the 35-hour work week, "a widespread catastrophe for the French economy"
The son of a French woman and a Hungarian immigrant who fled communism,
Sarkozy has won a reputation as someone who wants to break the mold of
traditional French politics.
Well before he decided to run for the presidency, Sarkozy learned from
President Bush how to talk over the liberal media and speak directly to
voters.
In November 2002, during a 100-minute television face-off with hostile
reporters and opponents from left to right, Sarkozy displayed a mastery of
political communication.
It wasn't merely his ability to shred his opponents' arguments that won him
the admiration of ordinary French men and women. It was ability to
communicate in short, clear sentences, shucking the bombast that has been
the norm of French politics.
Instead of tired platitudes, Sarkozy is best known for sharp, new formulas,
and has never shied away from shocking the politically-correct sensibilities
of the media and political elites.
When riots erupted in the predominantly Muslim slums around Paris in
November 2005, Sarkozy called the youths who were ransacking stores and
firebombing cars "scum," and said the area needed to be "cleaned out with a
power hose."
Relentlessly attacked for those remarks, Sarkozy never retreated and never
expressed regret. On the contrary, he still refers to his actions during the
riots with pride.
When Royal predicted direly last week that more riots would erupt if he were
elected, Sarkozy slammed her "war-like language."
"To say that if people don't vote for one candidate there will be violence
is quite simply to refuse the democratic expression of our republic. We've
never seen this before, never. It's a worrying form of intolerance," he told
Le Parisien.
"Can't one speak of the nation without being called a nationalist?" he said.
"Can't one speak of authority without being called authoritarian?"
Rebuilding a Diminished France
France has been hurt by the 12-year reign of Jacques Chirac, a presidency
remarkable for its immobilism and lack of any noticeable achievement,
Unemployment topped 10 percent when Chirac was first elected in 1995. After
spending tens of billions of euros on make-work programs and various social
welfare fixes, unemployment still hovers well above 9 percent.
Internationally, Chirac steered France into a hysterical, anti-American and
anti-Israel alliance, siding with Saddam Hussein against Bush, and Hezbollah
leader Hassan Nasrallah against Israel.
Chirac also alienated Britain's leaders, adding personal snubs to political
hostility, going so far as to show up nearly an hour late to Buckingham
Palace during a state visit with the queen.
While foreign policy played virtually no role in the campaign, Sarkozy has
pledged quietly to restore the trans-Atlantic alliance and patch up
relations with Britain.
In conciliatory remarks aimed at his harshest opponents in the Muslim
ghettos around Paris, Sarkozy offered a new job-training program, "a
contract, and a paycheck" to unemployed young Muslims and African
immigrants.
In a video-taped message that played on his website along with the election
victory announcement, he pledged a helping hand "so that all can live in
dignity from their work."
But in exchange, he warned, "I ask them to get up early, because no one can
hope to be helped by society if he doesn't help himself." "I want to build a
republic where everyone can succeed," he added.
The Bush administration can expect Sarkozy to shed the visceral
anti-Americanism of his predecessor, but should not expect Sarkozy to become
"an American poodle," as the new president's detractors have claimed.
In an appearance on the Charlie Rose show in February, his only televised
interview in the United States during the campaign, Sarkozy appeared to
adopt Chirac's notion of a "multipolar" world.
"We can't have a world that's led by one or two superpowers," he said.
Then he offered a little Gallic advice.
"This is a problem in the U.S., and I want to say this to my American
friends: The world does not come to a halt at the borders of your country.
Beyond the Pacific and beyond the Atlantic, there are men and women like
you. Get interested in the world and the world will learn to love you. The
world is not just the American empire. There's more to it than that."
While Americans might find that a tepid statement of friendship, it is a far
cry from the harsh criticism and acts of betrayal of his predecessor,
Chirac.
The overwhelming emphasis of Sarkozy's campaign of reforming French
political, social, and economic structures will translate into a strong
domestic agenda for his presidency.
He inherits an economy with high unemployment, little job mobility, and a
massive social welfare state supported by powerful trade unions that fear
losing their influence.
More than 50 percent of the French national product is spent by the state,
compared with 42 percent in Britain and the United States.
Sarkozy frequently evokes the need for a "break" with the past. If he
succeeds in his ambitious project of dismantling the social welfare state,
he will be hailed as the Margaret Thatcher of France.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> France Elects a Thatcherite President
> Kenneth R. Timmerman
> Monday, May 7, 2007
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/6/150434.shtml?s=tn
>
> On Sunday France elected a pro-American, conservative named Nicolas Sarkozy
> as its new president.
Which is unfortunate. He was a very divisive and controversial
candidate. Let's see if he is a pragmatist. If he isn't, be prepared
for a who;e lot of trouble...
>
> The 52-year-old who beat back by 10 percentage points his Socialist rival,
> promises an unabashed Thatcherite agenda for France.
Well....it didn't really work in Britain. It certainly won't work in
France.
>
> Sarkozy also replaces the embattled Jacques Chirac, a relic from an earlier
> age of French politics, who made anti-Americanism his hallmark.
That is a very silly thing to say. He was a genuine French
conservative politician, to some extent in the Gaullist mode. If you
interpret that as 'anti-American, that's your problem....
>
> Sarkozy campaigned on a platform of sweeping reforms, pledging to dismantle
> large portions of the social welfare state and to make France competitive on
> world markets again.
The two are not synonymous....unless you are a Havard airhead, of
course....
>
> He also pledged to reduce taxes, shrink the size of government and shut down
> redundant government programs.
We shall see....
>
> Carrying out these reforms will be an uphill battle, but Sarkozy believes
> that France is ready for a change. The French have lost faith in work, he
> says. "Reviving the work ethic is at the heart of my program."
That is rubbish. Usually uttered by people who think that American
social values can be transplanted to France.
>
> Sarkozy dreams of awakening France from generations of sclerosis, just as
> Margaret Thatcher did in Britain a generation ago.
Margaret Thatcher destroyed a large part of the British industrial
base. In the end, her own party had to get rid of her when the
electorate had enough.
>
> Today, Britain is the economic engine driving Europe,
You really believe that?
>and hundreds of
> thousands of young French men and women have emigrated there, seeking better
> pay, lower taxes, and greater freedom to create. Even Britain's Labour party
> under Tony Blair have continued many of Thatcher's pro-growth, free market
> policies.
And people can't wait to get rid of him!
>
> Sarkozy hopes to lure French expats back home by reducing taxes on small
> businesses, and by making workers more mobile. During Wednesday's debate
> with his Socialist opponent, Ségolène Royal, he called a key Socialist gain,
> the 35-hour work week, "a widespread catastrophe for the French economy"
But not for the average French family.....
>
> The son of a French woman and a Hungarian immigrant who fled communism,
> Sarkozy has won a reputation as someone who wants to break the mold of
> traditional French politics.
And panders to the far right.....
>
> Well before he decided to run for the presidency, Sarkozy learned from
> President Bush how to talk over the liberal media and speak directly to
> voters.
Yes....it takes one to know one.
>
> In November 2002, during a 100-minute television face-off with hostile
> reporters and opponents from left to right, Sarkozy displayed a mastery of
> political communication.
Hmmm.....
>
> It wasn't merely his ability to shred his opponents' arguments that won him
> the admiration of ordinary French men and women. It was ability to
> communicate in short, clear sentences, shucking the bombast that has been
> the norm of French politics.
You don't know much about French politics, do you?
>
> Instead of tired platitudes, Sarkozy is best known for sharp, new formulas,
> and has never shied away from shocking the politically-correct sensibilities
> of the media and political elites.
Yes. A lot of people can't stand the sight of him....
>
> When riots erupted in the predominantly Muslim slums around Paris in
> November 2005, Sarkozy called the youths who were ransacking stores and
> firebombing cars "scum," and said the area needed to be "cleaned out with a
> power hose."
And made matters worse....
>
> Relentlessly attacked for those remarks, Sarkozy never retreated and never
> expressed regret. On the contrary, he still refers to his actions during the
> riots with pride.
Yes, he was angling for the sh*t who vote for LePen....
>
> When Royal predicted direly last week that more riots would erupt if he were
> elected, Sarkozy slammed her "war-like language."
>
> "To say that if people don't vote for one candidate there will be violence
> is quite simply to refuse the democratic expression of our republic. We've
> never seen this before, never. It's a worrying form of intolerance," he told
> Le Parisien.
>
> "Can't one speak of the nation without being called a nationalist?" he said.
> "Can't one speak of authority without being called authoritarian?"
His 'nation' does not include a large part of French society.
>
> Rebuilding a Diminished France
>
> France has been hurt by the 12-year reign of Jacques Chirac, a presidency
> remarkable for its immobilism and lack of any noticeable achievement,
>
> Unemployment topped 10 percent when Chirac was first elected in 1995. After
> spending tens of billions of euros on make-work programs and various social
> welfare fixes, unemployment still hovers well above 9 percent.
A large part of this is structural. Look it up....
>
> Internationally, Chirac steered France into a hysterical, anti-American and
> anti-Israel alliance, siding with Saddam Hussein against Bush, and Hezbollah
> leader Hassan Nasrallah against Israel.
And that is the view of an idiot....
>
> Chirac also alienated Britain's leaders, adding personal snubs to political
> hostility, going so far as to show up nearly an hour late to Buckingham
> Palace during a state visit with the queen.
And that is being silly....
>
> While foreign policy played virtually no role in the campaign, Sarkozy has
> pledged quietly to restore the trans-Atlantic alliance and patch up
> relations with Britain.
Really? Well, Blair will shortly be gone, and the idiot in the White
House will follow him.
>
> In conciliatory remarks aimed at his harshest opponents in the Muslim
> ghettos around Paris, Sarkozy offered a new job-training program, "a
> contract, and a paycheck" to unemployed young Muslims and African
> immigrants.
>
> In a video-taped message that played on his website along with the election
> victory announcement, he pledged a helping hand "so that all can live in
> dignity from their work."
>
> But in exchange, he warned, "I ask them to get up early, because no one can
> hope to be helped by society if he doesn't help himself." "I want to build a
> republic where everyone can succeed," he added.
So will he be pragmatic?
>
> The Bush administration can expect Sarkozy to shed the visceral
> anti-Americanism of his predecessor, but should not expect Sarkozy to become
> "an American poodle," as the new president's detractors have claimed.
Er...yes. I don't suppose he wants to shackle himself to a corpse....
>
> In an appearance on the Charlie Rose
Who?
>show in February, his only televised
> interview in the United States during the campaign, Sarkozy appeared to
> adopt Chirac's notion of a "multipolar" world.
Indeed.
>
> "We can't have a world that's led by one or two superpowers," he said.
>
> Then he offered a little Gallic advice.
>
> "This is a problem in the U.S., and I want to say this to my American
> friends: The world does not come to a halt at the borders of your country.
> Beyond the Pacific and beyond the Atlantic, there are men and women like
> you. Get interested in the world and the world will learn to love you. The
> world is not just the American empire. There's more to it than that."
So he may not be what you expect?
>
> While Americans might find that a tepid statement of friendship, it is a far
> cry from the harsh criticism and acts of betrayal of his predecessor,
> Chirac.
Is it? Are you sure?
>
> The overwhelming emphasis of Sarkozy's campaign of reforming French
> political, social, and economic structures will translate into a strong
> domestic agenda for his presidency.
>
> He inherits an economy with high unemployment, little job mobility, and a
> massive social welfare state supported by powerful trade unions that fear
> losing their influence.
>
> More than 50 percent of the French national product is spent by the state,
> compared with 42 percent in Britain and the United States.
So what! Why is that a bad thing?
>
> Sarkozy frequently evokes the need for a "break" with the past. If he
> succeeds in his ambitious project of dismantling the social welfare state,
> he will be hailed as the Margaret Thatcher of France.
Or not, as the case may be. Who is the idiot who wrote this tosh?
Dr. Barry Worthington
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"CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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> France Elects a Thatcherite President
> Kenneth R. Timmerman
> Monday, May 7, 2007
> http://www.newsmax.com
roflmao
CB
<Cl...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
>>France Elects a Thatcherite President
>> Kenneth R. Timmerman
>> Monday, May 7, 2007
>> http://www.newsmax.
>
>
>
> Too funny ! !
What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
like Hillary's doing. Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
socialist 'womanhood'.
--
CB
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
Americans..."
--Bill Clinton
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
--Senator Hillary Clinton 2004
Karl Marx Manifesto of the Communist Party 1848
Dr. Barry Worthington
> <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>
> news:mj0143dfqeojq75so...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
> > <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
> >>France Elects a Thatcherite President
> >> Kenneth R. Timmerman
> >> Monday, May 7, 2007
> >> http://www.newsmax.
>
> > Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>
> > Too funny ! !
>
> What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
> like Hillary's doing.
That's odd. I thought that she ran as a French social democrat. (Look
it up.) Apart from her sex, what on earth do you imagine that she has
in common with Hillary Clinton?
> Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
> the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
> socialist 'womanhood'.
Hillary Clinton is not a socialist. She is more to the right than
other American Democratic candidates. And they are, by no stretch of
the imagination, socialists either.
Frankly, you wouldn't recognise a socialist if you fell over one in
the street.
Please stop talking about things that you do not understand.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Rich Travsky
CB
<Cl...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 May 2007 13:54:34 -0400, "CB"
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>>>
>>> Too funny ! !
>>
>>What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
>>like Hillary's doing. Hillary has no coat tails,
>
> racist faggot.
I'm not running, bigot.
By the way, we all know who the fagot, 'is'
>
pyjamarama
> On Tue, 8 May 2007 13:54:34 -0400, "CB"
>
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
> >> Too funny ! !
>
> >What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
> >like Hillary's doing. Hillary has no coat tails,
>
> Hilliary has more intellect and balls than you do, you racist faggot.
Oh how nifty! Another homophobic slur from usenet's resident racist
blowhard...
Can't wait untl next week when you piss and moan that you "didn't
write it" or that you were "taken out of context"...
Whatta clockwork fuckwit you are, Roselles...
<SNICKER>
Gary "Clicky" Roselles, "Independent Thinker" (duly cited from the
Google Archives):
On May 8, 2:08 pm, C...@Knicklas.com wrote:"Hilliary has more
intellect and balls than you do, you racist faggot."
On 6 April 2006 10:23:19 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com>
wrote "Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a
faggot socialist."
On 11 Mar 2001 5:49:44 -0800, Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net> wrote:
"The word faggot just describes a gay person"
On 18 Feb 2007 14:05:28 -0700 Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> "Then
why was you mother stupid enough to fuck all them black guys?"
On 23 Aug 2006 04:29:00 -0700, Gary Roselles <C...@KNICKLAS.COM>
wrote: "What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (distinguished
black scholar) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never having worked a
day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?"
On 24 Apr 2001 17:43:01 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net> wrote in
reply to an Op-Ed by African-American Rev. Jesse Lee Patterson: "Say
"yes Massa", UncleTom."
On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles
<rosel...@idt.net>wrote: "Bush's Uncle tom Cabinet is good first step
for GOP"
On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net>
wrote:"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking
people is going to gain anything with real minorities?"
On 30 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com>
wrote: "brown niggers need to be taken out"
On 2 Jul 2005 10:43:03 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote:
"because of their rap speech"
On 18 Dec 2000 20:26:48 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@idt.net> wrote (of
Colin Powell): "It's apparant[sic] he's being an uncle tom to appease
voters."
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:43:37 GMT Gary Roselles <rosel...@rapidnet.com>
wrote (of Michael Steele): "GOP Poised to Pick Uncle Tom in MD"
On 30 Jun 2005 8:51:19 -0800, Gary Roselles <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote:
"They talk in black english"
Yeeech!!!!
CB
"Dr. Barry Worthington" <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> On 8 May, 18:54, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>> <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:mj0143dfqeojq75so...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
>> > <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>France Elects a Thatcherite President
>> >> Kenneth R. Timmerman
>> >> Monday, May 7, 2007
>> >> http://www.newsmax.
>>
>> > Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>>
>> > Too funny ! !
>>
>> What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
>> like Hillary's doing.
>
> That's odd. I thought that she ran as a French social democrat.
What's that other than a feel (social) good intentioned leech who takes from
the well planned to purchase votes of the poorly planned and 3rd world
immigrants?
The reason the poor get poorer isn't because of Capitalism, it's because of
'Social' Engineering designed to create dependency at the expense of those
who do everything right for their family.
Liberals like Hillary get their power from losers. Their the people who call
her the smartest woman on Earth.
It were Liberals like Hillary who burned their bras to become independant of
men. Media glamorized the flower power movement and Playboy ligitimized it
as a lifestyle free of morality. Women either left their husbands or chose
'single motherhood' only to become depenant on Uncle Sam. The Welfare State
was born and gave power to Socialists like Clintons' Gore.
(Look
> it up.) Apart from her sex, what on earth do you imagine that she has
> in common with Hillary Clinton?
Socialism
>
>> Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
>> the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
>> socialist 'womanhood'.
>
> Hillary Clinton is not a socialist. She is more to the right than
> other American Democratic candidates. And they are, by no stretch of
> the imagination, socialists either.
Hillary 'is' a Socialist in every respect; healthcare, wealth distribution,
loath for the military, loath for free speech/talk radio/power of the
people. It's her party which seeks to raise taxes on the working, middle
class, (rich people pass taxes onto retail/consumers).
>
> Frankly, you wouldn't recognise a socialist if you fell over one in
> the street.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
--Cicero
>
> Please stop talking about things that you do not understand.
I'll be sure to tell you the day that happens.
CB
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
--Cicero
Dr. Barry Worthington
> "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in messagenews:1178647746.3...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 8 May, 18:54, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
> >> <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:mj0143dfqeojq75so...@4ax.com...
>
> >> > On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
> >> > <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>France Elects a Thatcherite President
> >> >> Kenneth R. Timmerman
> >> >> Monday, May 7, 2007
> >> >> http://www.newsmax.
>
> >> > Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>
> >> > Too funny ! !
>
> >> What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman, just
> >> like Hillary's doing.
>
> > That's odd. I thought that she ran as a French social democrat.
>
> What's that other than a feel (social) good intentioned leech who takes from
> the well planned to purchase votes of the poorly planned and 3rd world
> immigrants?
You really don't like people, do you?
>
> The reason the poor get poorer isn't because of Capitalism, it's because of
> 'Social' Engineering designed to create dependency at the expense of those
> who do everything right for their family.
Yes, you have no empathy for anyone less fortunate than yourself.
'Dependency culture' is the modern version of the Chadwick
utilitarianism that Dickens satirised through the mouth of Scrooge.
>
> Liberals like Hillary get their power from losers. Their the people who call
> her the smartest woman on Earth.
I'm not aware that anyone calls her that. For what it's worth, I
suspect that she is a trimmer.
> It were Liberals like Hillary who burned their bras to become independant of
> men.
You don't seem to appreciate women, either....
>Media glamorized the flower power movement and Playboy ligitimized
it
> as a lifestyle free of morality.
And can't stand the idea of other people having fun when you
aren't....
>Women either left their husbands or chose
> 'single motherhood' only to become depenant on Uncle Sam.
Any you are daft enough to believe this...
>The Welfare State
> was born and gave power to Socialists like Clintons' Gore.
By European standards, you don't have a welfare state. But you
probably are ignorant of the rest of the world.
>
> (Look
>
> > it up.) Apart from her sex, what on earth do you imagine that she has
> > in common with Hillary Clinton?
>
> Socialism
At best you are a political illiterate. At worst, you may be a
complete nutter....
> >> Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
> >> the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
> >> socialist 'womanhood'.
>
> > Hillary Clinton is not a socialist. She is more to the right than
> > other American Democratic candidates. And they are, by no stretch of
> > the imagination, socialists either.
>
> Hillary 'is' a Socialist in every respect; healthcare, wealth distribution,
> loath for the military, loath for free speech/talk radio/power of the
> people. It's her party which seeks to raise taxes on the working, middle
> class, (rich people pass taxes onto retail/consumers).
None of those things (assuming that they are true) define a socialist.
> > Frankly, you wouldn't recognise a socialist if you fell over one in
> > the street.
>
> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
> he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
> those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
> alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
> --Cicero
Are you paranoid or something?
> > Please stop talking about things that you do not understand.
>
> I'll be sure to tell you the day that happens.
Look. You quite clearly know nothing about France, let alone the
French election. Just bloody well admit. Then we can all have a rest,
and I can have my tea and return to my railway engines.
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> CB
>
> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
> he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
> those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
> alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
> --Cicero- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
CB
> On 10 May, 17:05, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>> "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in
>> messagenews:1178647746.3...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 8 May, 18:54, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>> >> <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:mj0143dfqeojq75so...@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
>> >> > <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>France Elects a Thatcherite President
>> >> >> Kenneth R. Timmerman
>> >> >> Monday, May 7, 2007
>> >> >> http://www.newsmax.
>>
>> >> > Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>>
>> >> > Too funny ! !
>>
>> >> What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman,
>> >> just
>> >> like Hillary's doing.
>>
>> > That's odd. I thought that she ran as a French social democrat.
>>
>> What's that other than a feel (social) good intentioned leech who takes
>> from
>> the well planned to purchase votes of the poorly planned and 3rd world
>> immigrants?
>
> You really don't like people, do you?
You really have no argument, do you?
>
>>
>> The reason the poor get poorer isn't because of Capitalism, it's because
>> of
>> 'Social' Engineering designed to create dependency at the expense of
>> those
>> who do everything right for their family.
>
> Yes, you have no empathy for anyone less fortunate than yourself.
I have no empathy for illegals who brake the law or politicians who cater to
them in either party. As for the people who plan poorly, leave their spouse,
have children out of wedlock, why should they be rewarded with free
healthcare? What other than minimum welfare benefits should be the yoke of
society?
I say cut the illegals off completely! No more anchor babies!
> 'Dependency culture' is the modern version of the Chadwick
> utilitarianism that Dickens satirised through the mouth of Scrooge.
Your extreme example is typical of the Left. I'm happy to pay my taxes so
the temporarily down and out can get back on their feet.
>
>>
>> Liberals like Hillary get their power from losers. Their the people who
>> call
>> her the smartest woman on Earth.
>
> I'm not aware that anyone calls her that. For what it's worth, I
> suspect that she is a trimmer.
>
>> It were Liberals like Hillary who burned their bras to become independant
>> of
>> men.
>
> You don't seem to appreciate women, either....
I love 'mine' and appriciate the way she pulls her own way. I also
appreciate the fact she waited for me to come along to give her self to
me...til death do us part.
>
>
> >Media glamorized the flower power movement and Playboy ligitimized
> it
>> as a lifestyle free of morality.
>
> And can't stand the idea of other people having fun when you
> aren't....
I couldn't care less...until it costs ME money for their irresponsibility
>
>
>>Women either left their husbands or chose
>> 'single motherhood' only to become depenant on Uncle Sam.
>
> Any you are daft enough to believe this...
What?
>
>
> >The Welfare State
>> was born and gave power to Socialists like Clintons' Gore.
>
> By European standards, you don't have a welfare state. But you
> probably are ignorant of the rest of the world.
Are they so enlightened to be happy to part with 50% of their wages in
taxes?
>
>>
>> (Look
>>
>> > it up.) Apart from her sex, what on earth do you imagine that she has
>> > in common with Hillary Clinton?
>>
>> Socialism
>
> At best you are a political illiterate. At worst, you may be a
> complete nutter....
Goo goo?
>
>> >> Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
>> >> the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
>> >> socialist 'womanhood'.
>>
>> > Hillary Clinton is not a socialist. She is more to the right than
>> > other American Democratic candidates. And they are, by no stretch of
>> > the imagination, socialists either.
>>
>> Hillary 'is' a Socialist in every respect; healthcare, wealth
>> distribution,
>> loath for the military, loath for free speech/talk radio/power of the
>> people. It's her party which seeks to raise taxes on the working, middle
>> class, (rich people pass taxes onto retail/consumers).
>
> None of those things (assuming that they are true) define a socialist.
Definitions an labels really don't come close to the actions of people.
After all, actions speak louder than words.
>
>> > Frankly, you wouldn't recognise a socialist if you fell over one in
>> > the street.
>>
>> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
>> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
>> for
>> he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
>> those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
>> alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
>> --Cicero
>
> Are you paranoid or something?
I detest leeches because I've had to work for what I have.
>
>> > Please stop talking about things that you do not understand.
>>
>> I'll be sure to tell you the day that happens.
>
> Look. You quite clearly know nothing about France, let alone the
> French election. Just bloody well admit. Then we can all have a rest,
> and I can have my tea and return to my railway engines.
I see the result of the election reflects the sentiment of the people. They
are fed up with Socialism and half their wages going to pay for social
services which they do not benefit.
>
> Dr. Barry Worthington
Dr., how much do you earn? How much do you keep? Do you go on vacations? Do
you have to save for your vacations? Do you own any vacation homes or Time
Share? Do you know what the cost of a gallon/liter of milk costs?
Get off your high horse. The middle class is sick of paying for illegals
getting welfare and for the generationally knocked up getting it too.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in messagenews:1178820624....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 May, 17:05, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
> >> "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in
> >> messagenews:1178647746.3...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 8 May, 18:54, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
> >> >> <C...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:mj0143dfqeojq75so...@4ax.com...
>
> >> >> > On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:50:42 -0400, "CB"
> >> >> > <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >>France Elects a Thatcherite President
> >> >> >> Kenneth R. Timmerman
> >> >> >> Monday, May 7, 2007
> >> >> >> http://www.newsmax.
>
> >> >> > Yeah, like NewsExLax is a reputable cite.
>
> >> >> > Too funny ! !
>
> >> >> What's funny 'is'...Nicolas Sarkozy's opponent ran on being a woman,
> >> >> just
> >> >> like Hillary's doing.
>
> >> > That's odd. I thought that she ran as a French social democrat.
>
> >> What's that other than a feel (social) good intentioned leech who takes
> >> from
> >> the well planned to purchase votes of the poorly planned and 3rd world
> >> immigrants?
>
> > You really don't like people, do you?
>
> You really have no argument, do you?
I cannot argue with a fool.
> >> The reason the poor get poorer isn't because of Capitalism, it's because
> >> of
> >> 'Social' Engineering designed to create dependency at the expense of
> >> those
> >> who do everything right for their family.
>
> > Yes, you have no empathy for anyone less fortunate than yourself.
>
> I have no empathy for illegals who brake the law or politicians who cater to
> them in either party. As for the people who plan poorly, leave their spouse,
> have children out of wedlock, why should they be rewarded with free
> healthcare? What other than minimum welfare benefits should be the yoke of
> society?
You have no empathy. You "visit the sins of the fathers upon the
children until the third and fourth generation."
> I say cut the illegals off completely! No more anchor babies!
Anchor baby?????
>
> > 'Dependency culture' is the modern version of the Chadwick
> > utilitarianism that Dickens satirised through the mouth of Scrooge.
>
> Your extreme example is typical of the Left. I'm happy to pay my taxes so
> the temporarily down and out can get back on their feet.
Temporarily? Old age is temporary? Physical handicap is temporary?
Chronic illness is temprary?
> >> Liberals like Hillary get their power from losers. Their the people who
> >> call
> >> her the smartest woman on Earth.
>
> > I'm not aware that anyone calls her that. For what it's worth, I
> > suspect that she is a trimmer.
>
> >> It were Liberals like Hillary who burned their bras to become independant
> >> of
> >> men.
You are an obsessive....
>
> > You don't seem to appreciate women, either....
>
> I love 'mine' and appriciate the way she pulls her own way. I also
> appreciate the fact she waited for me to come along to give her self to
> me...til death do us part.
Mine? You talk about her as if she was a possession, not a life
partner....
What about other women in society?
> > >Media glamorized the flower power movement and Playboy ligitimized
> > it
> >> as a lifestyle free of morality.
>
> > And can't stand the idea of other people having fun when you
> > aren't....
>
> I couldn't care less...until it costs ME money for their irresponsibility
No....you made a critical comment about lifestyle that was nothing to
do with money....
> >>Women either left their husbands or chose
> >> 'single motherhood' only to become depenant on Uncle Sam.
>
> > Any you are daft enough to believe this...
>
> What?
A typo....I said that you were daft enought to believe the above
statement...
> > >The Welfare State
> >> was born and gave power to Socialists like Clintons' Gore.
>
> > By European standards, you don't have a welfare state. But you
> > probably are ignorant of the rest of the world.
>
> Are they so enlightened to be happy to part with 50% of their wages in
> taxes?
Seemingly so. In Britain, no party is electable if it does not support
the welfare state.
> >> (Look
>
> >> > it up.) Apart from her sex, what on earth do you imagine that she has
> >> > in common with Hillary Clinton?
>
> >> Socialism
>
> > At best you are a political illiterate. At worst, you may be a
> > complete nutter....
>
> Goo goo?
Perhaps a nutter....
> >> >> Hillary has no coat tails, she never mentions Billy
> >> >> the adulterer on the campaign. Hillary has got to be shaking in her
> >> >> socialist 'womanhood'.
>
> >> > Hillary Clinton is not a socialist. She is more to the right than
> >> > other American Democratic candidates. And they are, by no stretch of
> >> > the imagination, socialists either.
>
> >> Hillary 'is' a Socialist in every respect; healthcare, wealth
> >> distribution,
> >> loath for the military, loath for free speech/talk radio/power of the
> >> people. It's her party which seeks to raise taxes on the working, middle
> >> class, (rich people pass taxes onto retail/consumers).
>
> > None of those things (assuming that they are true) define a socialist.
>
> Definitions an labels really don't come close to the actions of people.
> After all, actions speak louder than words.
She still isn't a socialist, you silly little man!
> >> > Frankly, you wouldn't recognise a socialist if you fell over one in
> >> > the street.
>
> >> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
> >> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
> >> for
> >> he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
> >> those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
> >> alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
> >> --Cicero
>
> > Are you paranoid or something?
>
> I detest leeches because I've had to work for what I have.
Haven't we all? Except for your beloved President, of course...
> >> > Please stop talking about things that you do not understand.
>
> >> I'll be sure to tell you the day that happens.
>
> > Look. You quite clearly know nothing about France, let alone the
> > French election. Just bloody well admit. Then we can all have a rest,
> > and I can have my tea and return to my railway engines.
>
> I see the result of the election reflects the sentiment of the people. They
> are fed up with Socialism and half their wages going to pay for social
> services which they do not benefit.
How would you know? You know nothing about the place!
> > Dr.BarryWorthington
>
> Dr., how much do you earn?
It's £32,795 p.a. if you must know.
That's £2,732.92 p.per month.
>How much do you keep?
Net monthly pay is £1,897.61p.
>Do you go on vacations?
Sometimes. It depends on whether I want to go to a conference in
Summer.
>Do
> you have to save for your vacations?
Usually.
>Do you own any vacation homes or Time
> Share?
No. I don't like to tie myself down.
>Do you know what the cost of a gallon/liter of milk costs?
I do all my own shopping.
Are you doing some consumer survey?
>
> Get off your high horse. The middle class is sick of paying for illegals
> getting welfare and for the generationally knocked up getting it too.
Not that I'm aware of. But then, I'm not an obsessive, or a
monomaniac.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> >> CB
>
> >> "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
> >> survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
> >> for
> >> he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
> >> those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
> >> alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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<Cl...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:16:42 -0400, "CB"
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
>>I have no empathy for illegals who brake the law or politicians who cater
>>to
>>them in either party. As for the people who plan poorly, leave their
>>spouse,
>>have children out of wedlock, why should they be rewarded with free
>>healthcare? What other than minimum welfare benefits should be the yoke of
>>society?
>
> Citizens, why in the world are "illegals" even
> considered for criticism?
When ever I have a 10% discount on a purchase I rationalize the savings as
paid sales tax and the time and gas I spent to get there. I would think even
you would appreciate saving another 10% by cutting of undeserving, law
braking, non-citizens who have no skills besides their back.
Take the 10% away and the incentive will also go away.
>
> Since 95% of the health care legislation was written by
> for your lying sack of shit by the Health Care industry
> (causing 60% not to be able to afford it), why doesn't
> that bother you?
Removing the incentive (automatic citizenship) for illegals dropping anchor
babies and to all other illegal aliens at hospital would go a long way to
reduce health care costs.
>
> Oh sorry, you racist slimeball
You are one sorry bigot of the American citizen.
>
> I forgot
>
> You're a psuedo-Christian who favors racism,
> homophobia, bigotry AND GREED over REAL christian
> values.
>
I favor America and her citizens over illegal alien free loaders.
--
CB
Founding Father, John Adams, said "The moment the idea is admitted into
society that property is not sacred as the laws of God, there isn't a force
of law to protect it and anarchy and tyranny commence." So, just as the
sacred laws of God are banished so too go private property rights and
tyranny begins."
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6744
Respecting other peoples property goes a long way in 'my' ability to give
freely to those less fortunate.
Taking advantage of America's generosity after stealing ones way into the
country only instills resentment, especially now that we see foreign
languages printed along side English.
>>===========================================================================
>
>>"CB"
>><C...@prayforme.com> wrote like a rightwing scumbag;
>
>> My use of the word,
>>"nigger" is strictly used as a character description. Search on goggle and
>>you will see.
Yup, nothing to do with skin color, everything to do with character
--
CB
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for
he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the
alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
--Cicero
Liberalism is that enemy within
CB
<Cl...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:30:47 -0400, "CB"
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Since 90% of the "free healthcare" is consumed by US
>>> Citizens, why in the world are "illegals" even
>>> considered for criticism?
>>
>>When ever I have a 10% discount
>
>
> being ruined by illegals
Not entirely, of course not, goofy
---whether or not they're
> breaking the law
>
> Hospitals receive medicare, and funding by government
> etc.
And losers like you know you can just stiff them for the bill because you'd
rather spend money on cable/PC connection/TV and bling than on insurance,
which isn't tangible.
>
> Illegals who work pay taxes---just like everyone else
> does which goes to pay for that "unpaid" care.
What a crock of shee'it
How Much Do Illegal Aliens Cost U.S. Taxpayers?
July 12, 2005- Federal, state and local governments spend billions of
dollars each year educating, caring for and incarcerating illegal
immigrants. Until the federal government fortifies the border, taxpayers
will have to continue to foot the bill for a variety of social services
offered to illegals.
Education: Taxpayers are being forced to pay for the schooling of the
children of illegal immigrants.
a.. Illegal immigrants who take low-paying jobs don't pay enough in taxes,
if they pay at all, to reimburse taxpayers the $5,000-plus annually it takes
to educate each of their children.
a.. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the
states $7.4 billion annually-- enough to buy a computer for every junior
high student nationwide.
a.. In California, the $2.2 billion spent on the education of the children
of illegal immigrants for one year could:
a.. Pay the salaries of 41, 764 teachers, or 14 percent of California's
teachers.
b.. Pay for California's class sizes to remain capped at 20 students for
a year, with $300 million to spare.
c.. Buy books, computers, and other instructional equipment for 346, 689
classrooms, 79 percent of all classrooms in California.
d.. Fully fund California 's free lunch program for almost two years.
Emergency Health Care: Taxpayers are forced to provide emergency health care
for illegal aliens and their children who do not have insurance.
a.. Emergency health care for illegal aliens along the southwestern border
is already costing area hospitals $200 million a year, with perhaps another
$100 million in extended care costs.
a.. Hospitals must provide emergency treatment to all who walk through the
door, regardless of their citizenship status or ability to pay. In 2001,
America 's hospitals provided nearly $21 billion in uncompensated health
care services.
a.. Hospitals in California rank first in the country in expenditures for
providing health care to illegal immigrants.
a.. The Center for Medicaid Services at the Dept. of Health and Human
Services reported that for FY 2001, the health care costs for illegal
immigrants in California were over $648 million. California paid 47 percent
of these costs, or $304,785,368, for this mandate.
Population Crisis: In California, we are in the midst of a population crisis
that is already affecting every aspect of life in our state and will
continue to get worse.
a.. An estimated 7 million illegal immigrants were residing in the United
States in January 2000. This is double the size of the illegal immigrant
population in January 1990 and constitutes 2.5 percent of the total U.S.
population of just over 281 million.
a.. More than one third of the 3.5 million total increase in illegal
immigration since 1990 occurred in California and Texas.
a.. California has the highest number of illegal immigrants residing in
its borders. The estimated number of illegal alien residents in California
was about 2.2 million, or nearly 32 percent of the total number of illegal
immigrants in the United States.
Crime: Fifteen percent of California 's prison inmates are undocumented
aliens, costing the state more than $500 million annually.
Welfare and Government Assistance: Fraudulent Social Security cards,
driver's licenses and birth certificates are being bought by thousands of
illegal immigrants each year. These false documents are used by individuals
to get millions of dollars worth of welfare, public housing and Social
Security benefits
>
> Illegals cannot legally claim refunds or legally get
> back anything they pay in---so the small percentage
> that "dont pay" isn't unique or a "drain"
GOOD! THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TOO RECEIVE BENEFITS!!!
>
> ALL "illegals" do not "take" from the system. They
> work, pay taxes, contribute to the economy.
Illegal immigrants who take low-paying jobs don't pay enough in taxes, if
they pay at all, to reimburse taxpayers the $5,000-plus annually it takes to
educate each of their children.
>
> THeir "drain" is only a small percentage of the total,
> you dumb motherfucker.
Hey nigger, the total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs
the states $7.4 billion annually-- enough to buy a computer for every junior
high student nationwide.
Some small drain
>
>>> Since 95% of the health care legislation was written by
>>> for your lying sack of shit by the Health Care industry
>>> (causing 60% not to be able to afford it), why doesn't
>>> that bother you?
>>
>>Removing the incentive (automatic citizenship) for illegals dropping
>>anchor
>>babies and to all other illegal aliens at hospital would go a long way to
>>reduce health care costs.
>
> The term "anchor baby" is a goddamned propaganda term
> you fucking nitwit. Not surprising you'd parrot
> something you haven't a clue about.
Anchor babies are the ticket to ride the Gravy Train, nigger. Once a Mexican
teen drops one inside our border it creates 'chain migration'. It's like
roaches. I read one story of a girl who came her 20 years ago and no has 300
of her family members here.
They're leeches
>
> Even if NO care was given to the Illegals, there
> wouldn't be a scintillla of "drop" in health care
> costs, you moron.
Emergency Health Care: Taxpayers are forced to provide emergency health care
for illegal aliens and their children who do not have insurance.
a.. Emergency health care for illegal aliens along the southwestern border
is already costing area hospitals $200 million a year, with perhaps another
$100 million in extended care costs.
a.. Hospitals must provide emergency treatment to all who walk through the
door, regardless of their citizenship status or ability to pay. In 2001,
America 's hospitals provided nearly $21 billion in uncompensated health
care services.
a.. Hospitals in California rank first in the country in expenditures for
providing health care to illegal immigrants.
a.. The Center for Medicaid Services at the Dept. of Health and Human
Services reported that for FY 2001, the health care costs for illegal
immigrants in California were over $648 million. California paid 47 percent
of these costs, or $304,785,368, for this mandate.
>
> The drain and rise of health care is attributed to the
> the tax code favoring (now) the industry, the rise in
> cost because of inflation, the rise in cost due to
> billions in ripped off costs by the Health care
> industry in collusion with the insurance companies and
> republicans who let them write the laws, (not to
> mention the hundreds of millions made on wall street
> and bonuses added to the wealthiest shareholders and
> CEO'S)
>
>>> Oh sorry, you racist slimeball
>>
>>You are one sorry bigot of the American citizen.
>
> I'm not the racist, you fucking dingbat.
Yeah you 'is', you hate the 'race' of the well planned, well disciplined and
well zipped.
>
> You are.
You 'is'
>
>>> You're a psuedo-Christian who favors racism,
>>> homophobia, bigotry AND GREED over REAL christian
>>> values.
>>>
>>
>>I favor America and her citizens over illegal alien free loaders.
>
> You stupid fuckwit
You stupid white trash nigger
>
> YOU favor the wealthy, the racists, the homophobes, and
> the JUDGEMENTAL---nearly EVERYONE that Christ tried to
> warn us about.
The well planned, the well zipped and the well forgiven
>
> "Illegals" are the POOR, you idiotic asshole.
A Burdon America can no longer 'tolerate'
>
> YOU are the enemy that Christ was sent here to clean
> up.
God segregated the planet for good reason, to prove cultures differ in how
they value life. I value the American life by providing for my family and
community. Mexicans who come here illegally are not my homies, they do not
share our culture and they do not support it!
CB
<Cl...@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 May 2007 11:58:17 -0400, "CB"
> <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey nigger, the total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs
>>the states $7.4 billion annually-- enough to buy a computer for every
>>junior
>>high student nationwide.
>>
>>Some small drain
>
> taxes they pay, Barta.
It doesn't matter, illegals have NO claim to SS, period
>
> You could make the same fucking claim about White
> citizens.
>
> You COULD say that "white citizen children cost the
> state $400 billion".
No, because their parents are most likely, law abiding, just like any other
family.
Let's keep race out of it, bigot. Let's just call a spade a spade, their
illegal no mater what skin they wear.
>
> So where does the money come from to pay for THEM,
> Charlie, ya little racist fuck?
Listen nigger bigot (you're the one always bringing up race), I be tryin tuh
tell ya. Illegals have no rights but to get the hell out!
I call you "nigger" not because of your pasty white skin but because of the
low down and ugly words you use.
--
CB
After all, "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp"
http://www.hustleandflow.com/ #Foe