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Texas PUC To Texas Families: 'UP YOURS!' Electricity To SKYROCKET In Texas!

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Tracey12

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Jun 29, 2012, 10:46:03 AM6/29/12
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The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
percent rage hike!

Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
the Texas PUC.

The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.


The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
rates that will soon impact their bill.

The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
hike will bother anyone.

M.I. Wakefield

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Jun 29, 2012, 10:58:54 AM6/29/12
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"Tracey12" wrote in message
news:32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
Why are you surprised?

Tracey12

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Jun 29, 2012, 12:09:17 PM6/29/12
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Texas hsa a horrible legislature that acts like a group of kings and
queens They love all the under the table benefits they get for
sweetheart deals that rob Texans

The deregulation process here in Texas has been crafted in such a way
to benefit everyone but the end user.
Texans have become sheep. The more they get raped by the PUC, the
quieter they become.

•R.Measures

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Jun 29, 2012, 3:18:55 PM6/29/12
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In article
<32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
АА the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and better.

Mal

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Jun 29, 2012, 7:20:51 PM6/29/12
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>€€ the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and better.

Which was Obama's goal as he stated "Under my plan electricity rates
would necessarily skyrocket."

Sid9

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Jun 29, 2012, 5:32:53 PM6/29/12
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"Mal" <m...@l.mal> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:18:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R.Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>>Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
>>> percent rage hike!
>>>
>>> Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
>>> the Texas PUC.
>>>
>>> The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>>>
>>>
>>> The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
>>> has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
>>> This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
>>> literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
>>> rates that will soon impact their bill.
>>>
>>> The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
>>> electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
>>> hike will bother anyone.
>>
>>?? the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and
>>better.
>
> Which was Obama's goal as he stated "Under my plan electricity rates
> would necessarily skyrocket."
.
.

Texas PUC Members were appointed by Rick Perry, Republican.
Next time try a Democrat for governor.

�R.Measures

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Jun 29, 2012, 7:28:31 PM6/29/12
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�� our last electric bill was minus $53 -- i.e., a credit. We have a
grid-tie solar electric system.

Sid9

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Jun 29, 2012, 7:46:55 PM6/29/12
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"•R.Measures" <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
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Ask Republican (recent presidential candidate) Rick Perry.
He appoints the Texas PUC members

Mike Smith

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:05:16 PM6/29/12
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:46:55 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
And, of course, everyone knows the Texas PUC does not have to listen
to the EPA...

Libtards... whatareyagonnado???

Mike Smith

wy

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:15:06 PM6/29/12
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Ahhh, the millionaires would have no problems paying their electricity
bill, huh? Now do you understand how wealthy the wealthy are and
their inherent greed and why they should be taxed more - to try to
bring them down to Earth and at least get them to relate more with the
small people, if not living among them?

•R.Measures

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:55:43 PM6/29/12
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€€ I have no queastion.

Sid9

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Jun 29, 2012, 10:13:21 PM6/29/12
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.
.
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Congratulations to the grid tied solar system.
The way to go!

Harold Burton

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Jun 29, 2012, 10:20:17 PM6/29/12
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Thank the Current Resident.



laugh, laugh, laugh

Mal

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Jun 30, 2012, 2:36:52 AM6/30/12
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:32:53 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
Is this also Rick Perry's doing?

Obama’s War on Coal has already taken a remarkable toll on coal-fired
power plants in America.

Last week the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported a
shocking drop in power sector coal consumption in the first quarter of
2012. Coal-fired power plants are now generating just 36 percent of
U.S. electricity, versus 44.6 percent just one year ago.

It’s the result of an unprecedented regulatory assault on coal that
will leave us all much poorer.

Last week PJM Interconnection, the company that operates the electric
grid for 13 states (Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland,
Michigan, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee,
Virginia, West Virginia and the District of Columbia) held its 2015
capacity auction. These are the first real, market prices that take
Obama’s most recent anti-coal regulations into account, and they prove
that he is keeping his 2008 campaign promise to make electricity
prices “necessarily skyrocket.”

The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural
gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price
for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area
covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is
$167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by
FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.

Why the massive price increases? Andy Ott from PJM stated the obvious:
“Capacity prices were higher than last year's because of retirements
of existing coal-fired generation resulting largely from environmental
regulations which go into effect in 2015.” Northern Ohio is suffering
from more forced coal-plant retirements than the rest of the region,
hence the even higher price.

These are not computer models or projections or estimates. These are
the actual prices that electric distributors have agreed to pay for
new capacity. The costs will be passed on to consumers at the retail
level.

House Energy and Power Subcommittee Chairman Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.)
aptly explained: “The PJM auction forecasts a dim future where
Americans will be paying more to keep the lights on. We are seeing
more and more coal plants fall victim to EPA’s destructive regulatory
agenda, and as a result, we are seeing more job losses and higher
electricity prices.”


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/22/obamas-war-on-coal-hits-your-electric-bill/#ixzz1zFuYwj2T

Mal

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Jun 30, 2012, 2:39:08 AM6/30/12
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Which cost how much to install, and how much to maintain?

Socialist Republicans Suck

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Jun 30, 2012, 2:54:20 AM6/30/12
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In article <oe7tu7hflm2dasi2a...@4ax.com>, Mal says...
FauxNews propaganda on behalf of the socialisticly subsidized Coal Industry.

Socialist Republicans Suck

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Jun 30, 2012, 3:00:44 AM6/30/12
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In article <oe7tu7hflm2dasi2a...@4ax.com>, Mal says...
>
FauxNews propaganda on behalf of the socialistically subsidized Coal Industry.

Christopher Helms

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Jun 30, 2012, 3:21:34 AM6/30/12
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If you don't like the idea of government being a lapdog for corporate
interests, maybe you Texans should stop voting for the party of lapdog
corporate government.

Christopher Helms

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Jun 30, 2012, 3:35:52 AM6/30/12
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This surprises you?

•R.Measures

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Jun 30, 2012, 6:06:09 AM6/30/12
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€€ tnx ...and the price has halved since I bought mine. Naturally, the
local electric company would rather be selling me electricity at 31-cents
per KWH.

•R.Measures

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Jun 30, 2012, 6:14:12 AM6/30/12
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€€ $16K

> and how much to maintain?

€€ just the cost of water needed to rinse accumulated dust off of the PV
panels. I do this with an oscillating sprinker on the roof. Kyocera
guarantees the panels for 20-yrs. I should break even at c. 17-yrs.
unless the price of electricity changes.

•R.Measures

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Jun 30, 2012, 6:15:50 AM6/30/12
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In article
<e471c2a8-31d7-4b31...@l32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Christopher Helms <chris...@gmail.com> wrote:
€€ chortle. good one Chris.

Mike Smith

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Jun 30, 2012, 7:31:27 AM6/30/12
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I pay 7.8 cents per kwh. Why would your electric company want to sell
you electricity at almost 400% more than I pay?

Mike Smith

Mike Smith

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Jun 30, 2012, 7:33:34 AM6/30/12
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Good one??? More like blindingly stupid.

The clueless moron does not even begin to understand what the EPA (at
obama's direction) is trying to do to normal people and the cost of
our oil/gas/electricity.

Mike Smith

Mike Smith

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Jun 30, 2012, 7:35:18 AM6/30/12
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On 29 Jun 2012 23:54:20 -0700, Socialist Republicans Suck
No, moron... He linked to a Fox News article, not an ABCNNBCBS news
article.

Mike smith

tches...@hotmail.com

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Jun 30, 2012, 7:48:12 AM6/30/12
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OBTENHA MAIS DE 12,000 REAIS (EM DINHEIRO VIVO),

COM APENAS 12 REAIS!!!



Veja “agora” como fazer isso:



Leia todo o formulário e Participe, SE TRATA DO INVESTIMENTO SIMPLES QUE IRÁ LHE
TRAZER UM BENEFÍCIO IMENSO!!!



GANHE DINHEIRO FÁCIL!!! Por Favor, leia este texto para entender, é muito
fácil!! MULTIPLIQUE SEU DINHEIRO: Transforme R$ 12,00 em mais de R$ 12.000,00!!!
LENDO ISTO VOCÊ PODE MUDAR SUA VIDA!

FUNCIONA! Eu achei essa mensagem em um fórum e decidi participar. Eu estava
olhando mensagens nos fóruns (ou newsgroups), que nem você está fazendo agora, e
encontrei um artigo semelhante a este, dizendo que eu poderia fazer milhares de
reais dentro de semanas só com o investimento inicial de R$ 12,00!Pensei que se
tratava de brincadeira, mas a curiosidade nunca é pouca. Continuei lendo..... O
texto dizia para eu enviar R$2,00 a cada um dos 6 nomes com endereços declarados
no artigo. Depois de feito isso, colocar meu próprio nome na posição 6 da lista,
e mandar o artigo para pelo menos 200 fóruns ou newsgroups. (Existem milhares)
Nada mais, só isso e você ganharia muito dinheiro. Pensei um pouco... depois
mais um pouco e me peguei só

pensando nisso, cheguei a conclusão que mesmo se eu perdesse R$ 12,00, eu teria
feito a minha parte sendo honesto, e se a corrente se tratava de armação, o
problema é de quem armou... Não será comigo que tais pessoas iriam acertar
contas depois... Com a própria consciência, é óbvio Pensei: Não tenho nada a
perder além de R$ 12,00 e 6 selos." Daí enviei os R$12,00. ADIVINHA SÓ?!?!Dentro
de dias, eu comecei a receber

dinheiro pelo correio! Eu fiquei chocado! Fiquei pensando que havia acabado mas
o dinheiro depois começou a chegar novamente. Em minha primeira semana, recebi
aproximadamente R$48,00. Ao final da quarta semana eu tinha feito um total de
mais de R$1.286,00! Na sexta semana eu tive mais de R$9,094.00 e continua
chegando. Eu com certeza já gastei muito mais na loteria e nunca recebi algo
igual!! Deixe-me

explicar como isto funciona e o mais importante, POR QUE funciona...

Imprima uma cópia deste artigo AGORA, assim você pode ler as informações de novo
depois quando precisar. Eu o prometo que se você seguir as direções na maneira
como é dita, você logo começará a ganhar mais dinheiro do que você pensou ser
possível fazendo algo tão fácil!

Meus amigos todos já fizeram e também estão se dando bem. Veja: SUGESTÃO: Leia
esta mensagem inteira cuidadosamente! (imprima e salve.) Siga as instruções e
veja o dinheiro entrar! É fácil. É legal. E, seu investimento é só R$12,00 (Mais
correio). IMPORTANTE: Este não é um golpe, não é indecente, não é ilegal e sim,
totalmente livre de risco algum – Funciona !! Se todas as instruções seguintes
forem cumpridas, você receberá incrível quantidade de dinheiro. POR FAVOR PRESTE
ATENÇÃO:



Por favor siga estas direções EXATAMENTE, e R$30.000,00 ou mais pode ser seu em
20 a 90 dias. Este programa permanece próspero por causa da HONESTIDADE e
INTEGRIDADE dos participantes. Por favor continue fazendo com que o programa
seja um sucesso aderindo cuidadosamente às instruções, aqui nossos benefícios
dependem do quanto somos justos. Esses são os 4 passos fáceis para sucesso:

ETAPA 1:

Adquira 6 pedaços separados de papel e POR FAVOR escreva o seguinte em cada
pedaço de papel: " POR FAVOR, PONHA-ME EM SUA LISTA DE REMETENTES" (Please add
me to your list) em inglês. E coloque seu nome e endereço logo abaixo. Agora
adquira 6 notas de R$2,00 envolva-as pelo bilhete que você acabou de escrever.
Envolva agora o bilhete (que está com a nota de 2 Reais) com um papel opaco para
evitar que alguém veja a nota e não viole o envelope roubando o dinheiro.
Depois, ponha cada um deles em seu respectivo envelope e lacre-os. Você deve ter
agora 6 envelopes lacrados, cada um com o seu pedaço de papel que declara a
FRASE acima dita, seu NOME e ENDEREÇO, e uma nota de R$2,00. Envie então um
envelope para cada um da lista que segue:



1 - FERNANDA VALENTINA CECCHI - R. LAURÍ RIBEIRO NEVES Nº 300 FUNDOS CENTRO
CEP: 89700-000 CONCORDIA - SC.



2 - FABIANO DE ALMEIDA FERRARI - R. QUINTINO BOCAIÚVA Nº 376 APTº 1 CENTRO
CEP: 13300-135 - ITÚ - SP.




3 - SIDNEI RAMOS - CAIXA POSTAL 112 CEP: 11010-970 SANTOS - SP.



4 - THIAGO ROBERTO - R. VICENTE DE PAULA DALE COUTINHO Nº 252 CIDADE NAÚTICA
CEP:11350-190 SÃO VICENTE - SP.

5 - MAURÍCIO DA SILVA LOUVATO - AV. THEODOMIRO PORTO DA FONSECA Nº 2373
CEP: 93230-440 SAPUCAIA DO SUL - RS.

6 - Jose Francisco da Silva - R. pedro do amaral lincoln Nº 263 CASA sao rafael
CEP: 18274-017 Tatui-sp.

ETAPA 2:

Agora tire o nome 1 da lista e eleve os outros (6 se torna 5, 5 se torna 4,
assim por diante...) e coloque SEU Nome com endereço como número 6 na lista.
ETAPA 3: Tente manter a sua mensagem o mais parecido possível com essa. Agora,
poste seu artigo modificado (ou esse meu mesmo se preferir) para pelo menos 200
fóruns ou newsgroups (A UOL diz que em sua homepage existem mais de 20.000
newsgroups, informe-se lá na parte de fórum se você não souber ) tudo que você
necessita é 200, mas lembre-se, quanto mais você mandar, mais dinheiro você
ganhará! Outra opção é mandares email para teus amigos assim eles também poderão
aderir e você estará ajudando-os também.

Você não adquirirá muito a menos que você poste como louco) (a melhor maneira de
postar é colocar como título, que fica visível para todos, GANHE DINHEIRO FÁCIL
ou COMO TRANSFORMAR 12 REAIS EM 12.000, e para o conteúdo, selecione seu texto
no bloco de notas, wordpad ou o word coloque copiar e depois na mensagem a ser
enviada para os fóruns e newgroups coloque colar. Simples Isto é perfeitamente
legal! Fique com uma cópia destes passos para você e, sempre que você precisar
de dinheiro, você pode usar isto novamente. POR FAVOR SE LEMBRE que este
programa permanece próspero por causa da HONESTIDADE e INTEGRIDADE dos

participantes e ao cumprimento correto das indicações do documento.

Olhe isto deste modo. Se você for honesto, o programa continuará e o dinheiro
que tantos outros receberam virá também para você, devido à sua contribuição com
os R$12,00. NOTA: Você pode querer guardar todos os nomes e endereços de pessoas
que enviaram dinheiro a você em um computador ou em cópia no caderno e manter os
bilhetes enviados.

Assim, cada vez que essa mensagem é salva e as direções são seguidas
cuidadosamente, serão reembolsados seis sócios pela participação deles como
Contribuintes na Lista com um real cada. Seu nome subirá na lista a cada remessa
de forma que quando seu nome alcançar a #1 posição você já terá recebido
milhares de reais em DINHEIRO VIVO!!! Lembre-se que você só investiu R$12,00
(R$2,00 para cada uma das seis pessoas listadas acima). Envie agora os
envelopes, suba o nome dos participantes e adicione seu próprio nome na sexta
posição da lista e você está no negócio! INSTRUÇÕES PARA COMO POSTAR NOS
NEWSGROUPS:

Etapa 1) Você não precisa digitar novamente esta carta inteira para fazer sua
própria mensagem. Simplesmente ponha seu cursor no começo desta carta e arraste
seu cursor para o fundo deste documento, e selecione copiar do menu editar. Isto
copiará a carta inteira na memória do computador.

Etapa 2) Abra o bloco de notas ou algo parecido e escolha no menu Editar a opção
colar. Isto fará a mensagem aparecer.

Etapa 3) Salve o arquivo como .txt.

Etapa 4) Use Netscape, Internet Explorer ou algum outro navegador e procure
vários newsgroups (fóruns on-lines, cadernos de mensagens, locais de conversa,
discussões.)

Etapa 5) Entre nesses newsgroups e poste uma mensagem nova em cada MURAL ou
AREA, algo similar. Coloque o cursor no início dessa mensagem no seu computador
e arraste até o fim do documento e selecione copiar no menu Editar. Na parte do
texto a ser digitado para a mensagem que vai ser enviada para o newsgroup clique
com o botão direito do mouse no campo com o espaço a ser preenchido e coloque
colar. Como Assunto ou título, coloque algo que chame a atenção como o meu ou
invente algo

parecido. Envie a mensagem e pronto, você acabou de enviar sua primeira
mensagem! Parabéns... Tudo que você tem que fazer é ir em outros MURAIS (temas,
áreas, etc.) e fazer de novo no máximo possível (200 mínimo) *LEMBRE-SE, QUANTO
MAIS MENSAGENS VOCÊ ENVIAR AOS NEWSGROUPS OU LUGARES DIFERENTES, MAIS DINHEIRO
VOCÊ GANHARÁ! MAS VOCÊ TEM QUE POSTAR UM MÍNIMO DE 200* Pronto! Você logo
começará a receber dinheiro dentro de dias! Você pode querer alugar uma Caixa
Postal devido à grande quantia de correio que você eventualmente receberá. Se
você deseja ficar anônimo, você pode inventar um nome para usar, contanto que o
endereço esteja certo para que você receba o dinheiro.

* * CONFIRA SEU ENDEREÇO!!! * * Agora o POR QUE de você receber esse dinheiro:
Pessimistamente vamos dizer que das 200 mensagens que eu enviei, diga que eu
receba só 5 respostas (um exemplo muito baixo).

Então receberei R$10,00 com meu nome na posição 6 na carta. Agora, cada uma das
5 pessoas que há pouco me enviaram R$2,00 enviam mais o MÍNIMO 200 mensagens
para outros lugares diferentes, cada uma com o meu nome agora na posição 5 e só
5 pessoas respondem a cada uma dessas 5 pessoas (30 pessoas honestamente
participarem de um total de 1200 mensagens para várias pessoas, um exemplo muito
baixo mesmo), isso é mais R$50,00 para mim, agora esses 25 cada faz 200 postos

MÍNIMOS com meu nome na posição 4 e só 5 respondem para cada um dos 25 que
enviaram, eu receberei então mais R$250,00! Agora, essas 125 pessoas postam o
MÍNIMO 200 com meu nome na posição 3 e só 5 respondem cada, eu ganharei mais
R$1250,00! OK, agora aqui é a parte divertida, cada dessas 625 pessoas posta
para um MÍNIMO 200 newsgroups diferentes com meu nome a posição 2 e cada só
recebem 5 retornos.

Isso me rende mais R$6.250,00!!! Essas 3.125 pessoas também vão mandar mensagens
a 200 newsgroups com meu nome na posição 1 e se ainda 5 pessoas dos 200
newsgroups de cara reagem eu receberei $31.250,00! Com um investimento original
de só R$12,00! Incrível! Lembrando que somando todos os valores acima
mencionados consigo R$ 39.060,00.

Quando seu nome sai da lista você só precisa enviar mais R$12,00 e colocar seu
nome na posição 6 de uma nova mensagem e posta mais 200 mensagens novamente.
Você deve lembrar que: milhares de pessoas estão entrando na Internet no Brasil
e no mundo inteiro e estão lendo estes artigos todos os dias, assim como você
agora!! Você deveria pegar R$6,00 e tentar ver se funciona?? eu acho que sim,
umas pessoas disseram: "E se isso não der o retornos esperado? " O que são seis
reais hoje quando há muito mais chance(isso dependerá de sua paciência em enviar
várias postagens iguais... não pense duas vezes!) de realmente funcionar. Quais
as chances disso acontecer quando milhões de pessoas honestas como você estão se
juntando a esse grupo? Estima-se que entre 20.000 e 50.000 novas pessoas se
juntem à Internet todos os dias e vão para os chats e newsgroups! Lembre-se,
jogue RAZOAVELMENTE e HONESTAMENTE e isto realmente funcionará. LEMBRE- SE,
QUANTO MAIS MENSAGENS VOCÊ ENVIAR AOS NEWSGROUPS, FÓRUNS E LUGARES DIFERENTES,
MAIS DINHEIRO VOCÊ GANHARÁ! *** BOA SORTE *** E APROVEITE BEM TODA A GRANA QUE
VOCÊ GANHARÁ!!!! OBS.:TENHA ABSOLUTA CERTEZA DE QUE ASSIM QUE RECEBER SUA
CORRESPONDÊNCIA, IREI COLOCA-LO(A) EM MINHA LISTA! SALVE ESTA PÁGINA OU COPIE
ESTE TEXTO PARA VOCÊ, PARA QUE POSSA LER COM MAIS CALMA, REFLEXÃO E UTILIZÁ-LA
COMO BASE PARA SEU TEXTO!

MUITO OBRIGADO

duke

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>€€ the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and better.

With Texas tying in, your rates go up as they consume. Who knows, you might pay
$1 instead of -$53.

The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Tracey12

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On Jun 30, 1:36 am, Mal <m...@l.mal> wrote:

> House Energy and Power Subcommittee Chairman Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.)
> aptly explained: “The PJM auction forecasts a dim future where
> Americans will be paying more to keep the lights on. We are seeing
> more and more coal plants fall victim to EPA’s destructive regulatory
> agenda, and as a result, we are seeing more job losses and higher
> electricity prices.”
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/22/obamas-war-on-coal-hits-you...

O.B.A.M.A.: Opec Brothers Are MY Ancestors

Tracey12

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On Jun 30, 2:21 am, Christopher Helms <chrishel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you don't like the idea of government being a lapdog for corporate
> interests, maybe you Texans should stop voting for the party of lapdog
> corporate government.

Which party doesn't cater to big business?

•R.Measures

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In article <dpotu7d71rfqrm1eq...@4ax.com>, Mike Smith
€€ to make more money Mike, what else? So Cal Edison's excuse is to
discourage excessive use.

•R.Measures

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In article <dtotu7dfhftpl6i02...@4ax.com>, Mike Smith
€€ There's more drilling for oil going on now than at any time before.

•R.Measures

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In article <gpstu713nbh9m8p4f...@4ax.com>, duke
€€ I did not pay, the $53 was a credit Duke. When Winter rolls around it
evens out.

First.Post

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r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote in news:r-3006121...@10.0.1.4:
Irrelevant to the fact that the EPA is responsible for over a dollar per
gallon of the price of gasoline due to their requirements on the
formulas. Many of which do nothing to improve air quality or mileage.

Tracey12

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Jun 30, 2012, 2:28:39 PM6/30/12
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On Jun 30, 1:04 pm, "First.Post" <OccupierDumberThanD...@invalid.org>
wrote:

> Irrelevant to the fact that the EPA is responsible for over a dollar per
> gallon of the price of gasoline due to their requirements on the
> formulas.  Many of which do nothing to improve air quality or mileage.

But, government knows what is best for us. Just hand over your income
and accept the gifts government has to offer.

•R.Measures

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Jun 30, 2012, 4:32:19 PM6/30/12
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In article <XnsA08284F42260...@88.198.244.100>, "First.Post"
€€ I remember when the San Joaquin valley was brimming with photochemical smog.
Message has been deleted

Paul Duca

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Jun 30, 2012, 5:00:51 PM6/30/12
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On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 9:58 am, "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tracey12"  wrote in message
>
> >news:32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
> > > percent rage hike!
>
> > > Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
> > > the Texas PUC.
>
> > > The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>
> > > The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
> > > has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
> > > This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
> > > literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
> > > rates that will soon impact their bill.
>
> > > The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
> > > electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
> > > hike will bother anyone.
>
> > Why are you surprised?
>
> Texas hsa a horrible legislature that acts like a group of kings and
> queens  They love all the under the table benefits they get for
> sweetheart deals that rob Texans
>
> The deregulation process here in Texas has been crafted in such a way
> to benefit everyone but the end user.
> Texans have become sheep. The more they get raped by the PUC, the
> less they want to rape teenyboppers (or allow others to do so).

Paul Duca

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Jun 30, 2012, 5:00:06 PM6/30/12
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On Jun 30, 2:28 pm, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 1:04 pm, "First.Post" <OccupierDumberThanD...@invalid.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Irrelevant to the fact that the EPA is responsible for over a dollar per
> > gallon of the price of gasoline due to their requirements on the
> > formulas.  Many of which do nothing to improve air quality or mileage.
>
> But, government knows what is best for us.
> The trick is to put in people who think that includes sex with young girls.

Paul Duca

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Jun 30, 2012, 5:03:00 PM6/30/12
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On Jun 30, 7:33 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 03:15:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> >In article
> ><e471c2a8-31d7-4b31-bf92-b61c5f07c...@l32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >Christopher  Helms <chrishel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 29, 9:46=A0am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
> >> > percent rage hike!
>
> >> > Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
> >> > the Texas PUC.
>
> >> > The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>
> >> > The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
> >> > has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
> >> > This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
> >> > literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
> >> > rates that will soon impact their bill.
>
> >> > The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
> >> > electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
> >> > hike will bother anyone.
>
> >> If you don't like the idea of government being a lapdog for corporate
> >> interests, maybe you Texans should stop voting for the party of lapdog
> >> corporate government.
>
> >€€  chortle.  good one Chris.
>
> Good one??? More like blindingly stupid.
>
> The clueless moron does not even begin to understand what the EPA (at
> obama's direction) is trying to do to normal people and the cost of
> our oil/gas/electricity.
>

Think Mitt will give you the same corporate deal of "the more
(ordinary people) use, the less they pay)?"

Paul

Mike Smith

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Jun 30, 2012, 6:02:01 PM6/30/12
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Oh... California.... I understand.

Mike Smith

•R.Measures

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Jun 30, 2012, 8:32:32 PM6/30/12
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In article <2qtuu71t5mnae0fpd...@4ax.com>, Mike Smith
€€ a.k.a. The Land of the Fruits and Nuts. The CA Legislature has made
it a felony for a 10-yr old boy to carry his slingshot in his poacket
without a concealed weapon's permit. If you run out of gas in CA it is
illegal to coast downhill into a gas station.

George Kerby

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On 6/30/12 7:32 PM, in article r-3006121...@10.0.1.4, "•R.Measures"
Maybe a solar powered vehicle? Oh wait, the smog is so bad in the LA Basin
that would never work! ;-)

•R.Measures

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Jul 1, 2012, 11:47:41 AM7/1/12
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In article <CC15CB2E.89CE8%ghost_...@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
€€ smog is no longer a significant problem there. . . The Nissan Leaf
is a practical, off-the-shelf solar-powered vehicle if you have a 5000w
PV system that is grid-tied and you drive <80 miles per day. The Leaf
leases for $289 per month.

Al

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Jul 1, 2012, 12:32:50 PM7/1/12
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In article <CC15CB2E.89CE8%ghost_...@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Their cars run on hot air and bullshit. When Obama comes to town, prices
drop.

duke

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Jul 1, 2012, 3:40:40 PM7/1/12
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That's what I said.

•R.Measures

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Jul 1, 2012, 5:45:54 PM7/1/12
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In article <6t91v71oe4bbm9iln...@4ax.com>, duke
€€ I did not pay $53.

NotMe

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Jul 1, 2012, 7:46:33 PM7/1/12
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"Mal" <m...@l.mal> wrote in message
news:hm7tu71om7faqmchh...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:28:31 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R.Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article <qtdsu75vmvbjet23i...@4ax.com>, Mal <m...@l.mal>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:18:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R.Measures) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article
>>> ><32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>>> >Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
>>> >> percent rage hike!
>>> >>
>>> >> Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
>>> >> the Texas PUC.
>>> >>
>>> >> The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
>>> >> has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
>>> >> This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
>>> >> literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
>>> >> rates that will soon impact their bill.
>>> >>
>>> >> The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
>>> >> electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
>>> >> hike will bother anyone.
>>> >
>>> >?? the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and
>>better.
>>>
>>> Which was Obama's goal as he stated "Under my plan electricity rates
>>> would necessarily skyrocket."
>>
>>?? our last electric bill was minus $53 -- i.e., a credit. We have a
>>grid-tie solar electric system.
>
> Which cost how much to install, and how much to maintain?

Other than an occasional wet mop and water hose maintenance is low as in non
some at all.

Installation varies but right now in N Texas break even is 5-7 years out at
rack rate. If you're up to a bit of DIY much less. Only problem I've ever
had (one time) was hail and that was covered by insurance.


NotMe

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Jul 1, 2012, 7:47:58 PM7/1/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:gpstu713nbh9m8p4f...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:18:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R.Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>>Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
>>> percent rage hike!
>>>
>>> Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
>>> the Texas PUC.
>>>
>>> The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>>>
>>>
>>> The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
>>> has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
>>> This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
>>> literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
>>> rates that will soon impact their bill.
>>>
>>> The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
>>> electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
>>> hike will bother anyone.
>>
>>?? the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and
>>better.
>
> With Texas tying in, your rates go up as they consume. Who knows, you
> might pay
> $1 instead of -$53.

Texas has a net billing. If you produce more than you use the net to the
homeowner goes up as well.


NotMe

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Jul 1, 2012, 7:53:11 PM7/1/12
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"Mike Smith" <m...@wt.net> wrote in message
news:dtotu7dfhftpl6i02...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 03:15:50 -0700, r...@somis.org (.R.Measures) wrote:
>
>>In article
>><e471c2a8-31d7-4b31...@l32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>>Christopher Helms <chris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 9:46=A0am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
>>> > percent rage hike!
>>> >
>>> > Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
>>> > the Texas PUC.
>>> >
>>> > The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>>> >
>>> > The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
>>> > has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
>>> > This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
>>> > literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
>>> > rates that will soon impact their bill.
>>> >
>>> > The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
>>> > electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
>>> > hike will bother anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't like the idea of government being a lapdog for corporate
>>> interests, maybe you Texans should stop voting for the party of lapdog
>>> corporate government.
>>
>>?? chortle. good one Chris.
>
> Good one??? More like blindingly stupid.
>
> The clueless moron does not even begin to understand what the EPA (at
> obama's direction) is trying to do to normal people and the cost of
> our oil/gas/electricity.

The majority of the coal fire plants are past their design life. It's only
bean counters trying to get the last few dollars out of a worn out system
that keep them on line. NG is much cheaper for KWH and *much* more
environmentally friendly. As anyone that lives down stream from either a
coal mine or a coal fired power plant.



George Kerby

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On 7/1/12 11:32 AM, in article
albert.finney000-E9...@news.giganews.com, "Al"
Along with Governor Moonbeam the bottom falls out...

Mike Smith

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Jul 1, 2012, 6:36:11 AM7/1/12
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California = Liberal nanny state.

Mike Smith

•R.Measures

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Jul 2, 2012, 4:27:08 AM7/2/12
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In article <iv90v75o4fajj7ptg...@4ax.com>, Mike Smith
> >it a felony for a 10-yr old boy to carry his slingshot in his pocket
> >without a concealed weapon's permit. If you run out of gas in CA it is
> >illegal to coast downhill into a gas station.
>
> California = Liberal nanny state.
>
> Mike Smith

€€ In some ways yes Mike S. but California's ballot ptoposition system is
the ultimate in States'-Rights. Example: The Federal Government still
subscribes to the 1930s idea that "... marijuana causes white women to
seek sexual relations with Negroes ..." (Harry Jacob Anslinger, First
Czar of the DEA.)

Tracey12

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On Jun 30, 12:58 pm, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
> In article <gpstu713nbh9m8p4fl7oc6n8ro9cs40...@4ax.com>, duke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:18:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:
>
> > >In article
> > ><32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5-a5d1-deac50d30...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > >Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
> > >> percent rage hike!
>
> > >> Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling by
> > >> the Texas PUC.
>
> > >> The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
>
> > >> The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
> > >> has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
> > >> This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
> > >> literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
> > >> rates that will soon impact their bill.
>
> > >> The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
> > >> electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
> > >> hike will bother anyone.
>
> > >€€  the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking better and
> better.
>
> > With Texas tying in, your rates go up as they consume.  Who knows, you
> might pay
> > $1 instead of -$53.
>
> €€  I did not pay, the $53 was a credit Duke.  When Winter rolls around it
> evens out.

The price of a fully functional photovoltaic system capable of
replacing the electricity use of an average family will be kept high
enough that most cannot afford it.

•R.Measures

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Jul 2, 2012, 1:15:26 PM7/2/12
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In article
<bf904114-b1d3-4575...@v33g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 30, 12:58=A0pm, r...@somis.org (=95R.Measures) wrote:
> > In article <gpstu713nbh9m8p4fl7oc6n8ro9cs40...@4ax.com>, duke
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:18:55 -0700, r...@somis.org (=95R.Measures) wrot=
> e:
> >
> > > >In article
> > > ><32e1d42b-b3d1-45c5-a5d1-deac50d30...@h20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> The Texas Public Utilities Commission (PUC) has just approved a 50
> > > >> percent rage hike!
> >
> > > >> Texas electricity will skyrocket as a result of last nights ruling b=
> y
> > > >> the Texas PUC.
> >
> > > >> The peak rate was increased by 50 percent by the PUC.
> >
> > > >> The PUC has always been in the pocket of the utilities in Texas and
> > > >> has always favored robbing the public it is supposed to represent.
> > > >> This time, a monumental rate hike starting in the summer will
> > > >> literally kill many who will not be able to afford to pay the new
> > > >> rates that will soon impact their bill.
> >
> > > >> The millionaires at the PUC board have no problems paying their
> > > >> electricity bill, so its hard for them to understand why a huge rate
> > > >> hike will bother anyone.
> >
> > > >=80=80 =A0the price of a grid-tie solar electric system is looking bet=
> ter and
> > better.
> >
> > > With Texas tying in, your rates go up as they consume. =A0Who knows, yo=
> u
> > might pay
> > > $1 instead of -$53.
> >
> > =80=80 =A0I did not pay, the $53 was a credit Duke. =A0When Winter rolls =
> around it
> > evens out.
>
> The price of a fully functional photovoltaic system capable of
> replacing the electricity use of an average family will be kept high
> enough that most cannot afford it.

** The present price of a 5000W PV grid-tie system is under $10k and
there are tax credits and rebates. Thanks to the advent of the
particle-beam saw, the price of PV cells should drop an additional 40 or
so %..

duke

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Jul 2, 2012, 2:21:54 PM7/2/12
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<sigh>

•R.Measures

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Jul 2, 2012, 4:15:06 PM7/2/12
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In article <flp3v7dibbo7fcv3k...@4ax.com>, duke
• Duke Math.

Mike Smith

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Jul 2, 2012, 4:35:25 PM7/2/12
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His eyes obviously missed the little minus sign "-" .

Mike Smith

duke

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Jul 3, 2012, 3:46:10 PM7/3/12
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Yep, us good mathematicians know what (negative) dollars mean.

The dukester: American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the
end of democracy in America as we
know it.
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duke

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Jul 3, 2012, 3:47:06 PM7/3/12
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>His eyes obviously missed the little minus sign "-" .
>Mike Smith

I can't credit him with that much intelligence now.

•R.Measures

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Jul 3, 2012, 10:22:04 PM7/3/12
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In article <1ui6v75eto2ftnuu8...@4ax.com>, duke
• which is presumably why you didn't Duke.

George Kerby

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On 7/3/12 2:46 PM, in article 1ui6v75eto2ftnuu8...@4ax.com,
Then there must be a bunch of them working for the Federal Government.

duke

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Jul 4, 2012, 12:09:08 PM7/4/12
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The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************

duke

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Jul 4, 2012, 12:10:02 PM7/4/12
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You're flying alone, rl.

The dukester, American - American
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Al

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:32:22 PM7/4/12
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In article <CC19BB0D.8A1DE%ghost_...@hotmail.com>,
They're pretty smart, they can count in trillions of (negative) dollars.

duke

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:19:09 -0500, George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
rl doesn't but he is still afflicted.

The dukester, American - American
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