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Hell Stomper
Oct 27, 2012, 1:39:29 PM10/27/12
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Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
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If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
an American:
The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours —
enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
operators.
There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
Operation Unified Protector.
The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the
target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
engage hard targets.
What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
terrorists and saving American lives.
See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
Spectre on station.
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint”
a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on
station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
POTUS!
Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
URL to article:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
Comments
If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
an American:
The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours —
enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
operators.
There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
Operation Unified Protector.
The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the
target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
engage hard targets.
What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
terrorists and saving American lives.
See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
Spectre on station.
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint”
a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on
station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
POTUS!
Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
URL to article:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
Oct 27, 2012, 2:01:29 PM10/27/12
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You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
everything in a football-field sized area.
So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
meters.
It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
Medal of Honor.
Hell Stomper
Oct 27, 2012, 4:03:17 PM10/27/12
to
On Oct 27, 2:01 pm, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
> >http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-...
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=71
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
Willard Twitt Romney
Oct 27, 2012, 4:06:54 PM10/27/12
to
On 10/27/2012 02:01 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> <stardu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
>> Comments
>>
>> If you don�t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> <stardu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
>> Comments
>>
>> an American:
>>
>> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
>> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
>> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
>> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
>> The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours �
>>
>> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
>> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
>> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
>> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
>> enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
>> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
>> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
>> operators.
>>
>> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
>> Operation Unified Protector.
>>
>> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
>> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
>> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
>> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
>> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>>
>> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
>> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
>> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
>> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>> had assets on the ground �painting� the targets with the laser.
>> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
>> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
>> operators.
>>
>> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
>> Operation Unified Protector.
>>
>> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
>> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
>> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
>> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
>> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>>
>> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
>> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
>> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
>> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>>
>> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise �pivot turn� around the
>> target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
>>
>> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
>> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
>> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
>> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>>
>> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
>> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
>> engage hard targets.
>>
>> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
>> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
>> terrorists and saving American lives.
>>
>> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>>
>> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
>> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>>
>> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
>> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
>> Spectre on station.
>>
>> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
>> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
>> the report jumped out at me.
>> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
>> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
>> laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not �paint�
>>
>> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
>> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
>> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
>> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>>
>> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
>> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
>> engage hard targets.
>>
>> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
>> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
>> terrorists and saving American lives.
>>
>> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>>
>> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
>> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>>
>> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
>> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
>> Spectre on station.
>>
>> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
>> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
>> the report jumped out at me.
>> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
>> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
>> a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
>> that the AC130 was on station.
>> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
>> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
>> commander based on information directly from the target area.
>> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
>> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
>> If that SEAL was actively �painting� a target; something was on
>> that the AC130 was on station.
>> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
>> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
>> commander based on information directly from the target area.
>> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
>> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
>> station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
>> POTUS!
>>
>> Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>>
>> URL to article:
>> http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
>
Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
>> POTUS!
>>
>> Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>>
>> URL to article:
>> http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
>
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vit...@gmail.com
Oct 27, 2012, 5:00:40 PM10/27/12
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3216 Dead
Oct 27, 2012, 6:15:39 PM10/27/12
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:41:41 -0500, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:06:54 -0400, In article <k6hets$dfg$1@dont-
>email.me>, r...@puke.org says...
>
>Bush bombed Iraq and Afghanistan during his presidency.
>
>Clinton, with ZERO military service, blows the smithereens out of:
>
>Kosovo
>Herzegovina
>Serbia
>Afghanistan
>Somalia
>Bosnia 1993
>Haiti 1994
>Croatia 1995
>Zaire 1996
>Liberia 1997
>Albania 1997
>Sudan 1998
>Afghanistan 1998
>Iraq 1998
>Yugoslavia 1999
>Yemen 2000
>
>Obama, with ZERO military service, in his 4 years so far, has bombed:
>
>Iraq
>Afghanistan
>Pakistan
>Libya
>and "other unknown" targets with drones.
>
>Who are the true Chicken Hawks?
>
>Damn war mongering Democrats.
Still don't know what a chicken hawk is, do you?
>On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:06:54 -0400, In article <k6hets$dfg$1@dont-
>email.me>, r...@puke.org says...
>
>> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
>>
>>
>
>Hmmm.....
>> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
>>
>>
>
>
>Bush bombed Iraq and Afghanistan during his presidency.
>
>Clinton, with ZERO military service, blows the smithereens out of:
>
>Kosovo
>Herzegovina
>Serbia
>Afghanistan
>Somalia
>Bosnia 1993
>Haiti 1994
>Croatia 1995
>Zaire 1996
>Liberia 1997
>Albania 1997
>Sudan 1998
>Afghanistan 1998
>Iraq 1998
>Yugoslavia 1999
>Yemen 2000
>
>Obama, with ZERO military service, in his 4 years so far, has bombed:
>
>Iraq
>Afghanistan
>Pakistan
>Libya
>and "other unknown" targets with drones.
>
>Who are the true Chicken Hawks?
>
>Damn war mongering Democrats.
Still don't know what a chicken hawk is, do you?
vit...@gmail.com
Oct 27, 2012, 6:28:08 PM10/27/12
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Hell Stomper
Oct 27, 2012, 9:17:40 PM10/27/12
to
On Oct 27, 4:07 pm, Willard Twitt Romney <r...@puke.org> wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:01 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> > <stardusth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:01 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
>
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> an American:
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours —
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
> >> had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>
> >> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the
> >> target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint”
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
> >>http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-...
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
Written By : John Hawkins
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
January 13, 2012
On Veterans Day, I noticed that more than a few left-wing websites
decided it was an opportune time to break out the “chickenhawks” slur
again. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the word or who
associate it with its more vulgar meaning, when the left uses the
term, they are generally referring to a foreign policy hawk who has
not been in the military and is not seeking to join up. You see,
they’re of the opinion that only those who have actually fought in the
military or who are willing to do so, should be able to advocate war.
Of course, that’s not exactly what you’d call a “well reasoned
argument,” but keep in mind that we’re talking about people who think
that carrying a giant puppet head at an anti-war rally run by
Communists passes for an eloquent statement about the war on
terrorism.
But one has to wonder if these same people think of Woodrow “we must
make the world safe for Democracy” Wilson as “Chickenhawk” Wilson?
After all, Wilson, the man who launched our country into WW1, had been
a professor of political science before he got into politics, not a
military man. Then there’s FDR, a gentleman who certainly couldn’t be
called a pacifist. In fact, old Franklin “Chickenhawk” Roosevelt led
our country into the bloodiest war this planet has ever seen. Was he
wrong to have done that since he never served in the military? Most of
us would say “no,” but you have to wonder if the people who’re today
hooting “chickenhawk” would disagree. We could even look to Bill
Clinton and wonder why a President who not only didn’t serve in the
military, but once wrote in a letter that he “loathed the military,”
was not branded with a scarlet “Chickenhawk” for his rather aggressive
foreign policy in Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, & Haiti.
Moreover, does it not seem a bit hypocritical that the very people who
expect hawks to enlist in the military are not willing to make similar
sacrifices themselves? For example, whatever you think of Rachel
Corrie, the “peace activist” who was accidentally run over by an
Israeli bulldozer while she tried to protect smuggling tunnels used by
terrorists, you couldn’t have accused her of being a hypocrite if she
had ever called someone a “chickenhawk”. Similarly, while you would be
wrong to act as a human shield at a North Korean gulag, in front of a
terrorist enclave in the West Bank, or at a bomb making warehouse in
Tikrit, at least no one could claim that you were asking others to do
what you were not willing to do yourself. But if you decry
“chickenhawks who advocate war while they’re safe at home,” please
don’t claim some sort of moral high ground if you “advocate refusing
to prosecute the war on terrorism while safe at home” yourself.
It’s also worth pointing out that the people who reproach
“chickenhawks” for their lack of military experience don’t seem to
apply that same concept to anything else. For example, are these same
individuals refusing to take a position on the actions of their local
police department if they’ve never been a policeman? Do they believe
that John Ashcroft knows best if they have never worked for the DOJ?
Here’s an idea that’ll allow you to find out where they really stand.
The next time you hear someone gripe about “chickenhawks,” ask their
opinion about how President Bush has done since his election in 2000.
Then, if they’re intellectually consistent people, you can expect them
to say something like, “I really can’t properly evaluate what the
President should or shouldn’t do because I have never been President
myself”. After all, that’s what they expect the people they call
“chickenhawks” to do when it comes to the military isn’t it?
In addition to that, I think it’s worth pointing out that while the
exceptional men and women who serve in our armed forces may be experts
at combat, that does not mean that ALL of them are geniuses at foreign
policy or the best arbiters of how we should handle a situation that
might lead to blood being spilled. If you don’t believe that, simply
think back to “Operation Northwoods,” a plan conceived of by the Joint
Chiefs of Staff which featured fake terrorist attacks on American
citizens that could be used as an excuse to start a war with Cuba. Of
course, that mad scheme never came to fruition because JFK wouldn’t
hear of it, but it certainly wasn’t a bunch of “chickenhawks” who
cooked the whole thing up.
If you wanted another example of the fallibility of a military man’s
judgement when it came to war, you could look to George McClellan who
ran against Lincoln for the Presidency in 1864 and planned to give up
on the Civil War if he won.
I would even go so far as to point out that Wesley Clark, an ex-
general with a distinguished military record and a Democratic
candidate for President, assured Bill Clinton that just the threat of
force would be all that it would take to get Slobodan Milosevic to
agree to peace in Kosovo. Not only was Clark dead wrong, but later
during the Kosovo conflict, British General Sir Michael Jackson
refused a Clark order to block a “Russian advance towards Pristina
airport in Kosovo” and famously explained his actions by saying, I am
not going to startWorld War III“. Now if you want to tell people that
Wesley Clark is a brilliant strategist whose judgement is far superior
to that of the “chickenhawks” when it comes to military strategy, I’d
probably be inclined to agree with you. But if you’re trying to make
the case that Clark’s overall judgement about foreign policy is
superior to anyone who hasn’t served in the military, I’d say that is
a very dubious argument indeed.
Summing things up, this whole “chickenhawk” catcall is little more
than an attempt to stifle debate and divert attention away from the
lack of substance that undergirds much of the anti-war side of the
debate. The fact is that many people in the anti-war crowd hold dovish
foreign policy views, believe in only using America’s military when
our interests AREN’T at stake, & are more concerned with world
approval than defending America. Because of that, they are simply
incapable of taking positions that would allow us to win the global
war on terrorism that we are now engaged in. Rather than deal openly
and honestly with issues like that, issues that could cost Democrats
the election, they’d rather cry “chickenhawk” and hope that, rather
than their foreign policy views & how we should proceed in the war on
terrorism, will become the subject of the debate.
MITO MINISTER
Oct 27, 2012, 9:24:03 PM10/27/12
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Bullshit. A gunship's guns will destroy everything in a football field-
sized area. It's not a precision sniping tool.
M.I.Wakefield
Oct 27, 2012, 9:24:44 PM10/27/12
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Ignore the busted liar!
"Hell Stomper" wrote in message
news:d445e609-da36-42ce...@g4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> President Obama just completed the UNHOLY and ANTI-AMERICAN TRIFECTA:
>
> 1st president in 110 years to miss the annual Army-Navy Football Game.
Ooops! Caught lying.
George W. Bush attended three times (2001, 2004, 2008) in eight years.
When Clinton attended in 1996, he was the first POTUS to show up in 22
years.
Eisenhower played in the game in 1912, and never attended in his eight years
as President.
Carter, LBJ, Reagan, Bush 41, FDR, Hoover ... none of them ever attended
either.
> 1st president to not attend any Christmas religious observance.
Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
Reagan never attended a Christmas Eve or Christmas Day service during his
years as President.
> 1st president to stay on vacation after a terrorist attack.
Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
Remember Richard Reid, the "Shoe Bomber"? That happened on December 22,
2001 ... Bush was already at Camp David ... he went from there to Crawford.
He didn't mention the attack for six days, and didn't head back to the White
House until January 7, 2002.
"Hell Stomper" wrote in message
news:d445e609-da36-42ce...@g4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> President Obama just completed the UNHOLY and ANTI-AMERICAN TRIFECTA:
>
> 1st president in 110 years to miss the annual Army-Navy Football Game.
Ooops! Caught lying.
George W. Bush attended three times (2001, 2004, 2008) in eight years.
When Clinton attended in 1996, he was the first POTUS to show up in 22
years.
Eisenhower played in the game in 1912, and never attended in his eight years
as President.
Carter, LBJ, Reagan, Bush 41, FDR, Hoover ... none of them ever attended
either.
> 1st president to not attend any Christmas religious observance.
Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
Reagan never attended a Christmas Eve or Christmas Day service during his
years as President.
> 1st president to stay on vacation after a terrorist attack.
Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
Remember Richard Reid, the "Shoe Bomber"? That happened on December 22,
2001 ... Bush was already at Camp David ... he went from there to Crawford.
He didn't mention the attack for six days, and didn't head back to the White
House until January 7, 2002.
MITO MINISTER
Oct 27, 2012, 9:25:23 PM10/27/12
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On Oct 28, 5:07 am, Willard Twitt Romney <r...@puke.org> wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:01 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> > <stardusth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/27/2012 02:01 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
>
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> an American:
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours —
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
> >> had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>
> >> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the
> >> target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint”
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
> >>http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-...
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
Rove, Shrub, Wolfowitz, Cheny: They all had "other priorities".
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Right wing scumbags tend to be chicken hawks.
Hell Stomper
Oct 28, 2012, 1:37:03 AM10/28/12
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too. Then fuck off some more. Keep
fucking off until you get back here. Then fuck off again.
MITO MINISTER
Oct 28, 2012, 3:53:39 AM10/28/12
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MITO MINISTER
Oct 28, 2012, 3:54:01 AM10/28/12
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Hell Stomper
Oct 28, 2012, 1:41:34 PM10/28/12
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Frank
Oct 28, 2012, 1:51:53 PM10/28/12
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M.I.Wakefield
Oct 28, 2012, 5:34:14 PM10/28/12
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"Frank" wrote in message news:k6jrbq$hv6$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 10/27/2012 9:24 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
> > Ignore the busted liar!
> >
> > "Hell Stomper" wrote in message
> On 10/27/2012 9:24 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
> > Ignore the busted liar!
> >
> > "Hell Stomper" wrote in message
> > > 1st president to stay on vacation after a terrorist attack.
> >
> > Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
> >
> > Remember Richard Reid, the "Shoe Bomber"? That happened on December 22,
> > 2001 ... Bush was already at Camp David ... he went from there to
> > Crawford.
> > He didn't mention the attack for six days, and didn't head back to the
> > White House until January 7, 2002.
>
> How many people did the shoe bomber kill? ;)
Same number as the underwear bomber.
> >
> > Ooops! Caught lying. Again.
> >
> > Remember Richard Reid, the "Shoe Bomber"? That happened on December 22,
> > 2001 ... Bush was already at Camp David ... he went from there to
> > Crawford.
> > He didn't mention the attack for six days, and didn't head back to the
> > White House until January 7, 2002.
>
> How many people did the shoe bomber kill? ;)
Willard Twitt Romney
Oct 28, 2012, 6:02:46 PM10/28/12
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Joel Edge
Oct 29, 2012, 8:11:47 AM10/29/12
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:01:29 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote
(in article <e48o88l93ob59uqo8...@6ax.com>):
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> <stardu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
>> Comments
>>
>> If you donï¿œt get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
>>
>> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise ￜpivot turnￜ around the
besieged....oh wait, they do. That's the whole point of the weapon.
(in article <e48o88l93ob59uqo8...@6ax.com>):
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> <stardu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
>> Comments
>>
>> an American:
>>
>> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
>> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
>> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
>> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
>> The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours ￜ
>>
>> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
>> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
>> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
>> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
>> enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
>> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
>> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
>> operators.
>>
>> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
>> Operation Unified Protector.
>>
>> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
>> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
>> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
>> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
>> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>>
>> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
>> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
>> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
>> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>> had assets on the ground ￜpaintingￜ the targets with the laser.
>> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
>> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
>> operators.
>>
>> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
>> Operation Unified Protector.
>>
>> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
>> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
>> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
>> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
>> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>>
>> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
>> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
>> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
>> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>>
>> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise ￜpivot turnￜ around the
>> target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
>>
>> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
>> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
>> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
>> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>>
>> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
>> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
>> engage hard targets.
>>
>> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
>> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
>> terrorists and saving American lives.
>>
>> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>>
>> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
>> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>>
>> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
>> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
>> Spectre on station.
>>
>> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
>> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
>> the report jumped out at me.
>> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
>> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
>> laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not ￜpaintￜ
>>
>> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
>> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
>> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
>> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>>
>> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
>> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
>> engage hard targets.
>>
>> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
>> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
>> terrorists and saving American lives.
>>
>> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>>
>> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
>> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>>
>> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
>> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
>> Spectre on station.
>>
>> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
>> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
>> the report jumped out at me.
>> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
>> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
>> a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
>> that the AC130 was on station.
>> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
>> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
>> commander based on information directly from the target area.
>> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
>> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
>> If that SEAL was actively ￜpaintingￜ a target; something was on
>> that the AC130 was on station.
>> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
>> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
>> commander based on information directly from the target area.
>> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
>> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
>> station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
>> POTUS!
>>
>> Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>>
>> URL to article:
>> http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghaz
>> i-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
>
Mmmm...that must be why they don't call in a gunship when friendlies are
>> POTUS!
>>
>> Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>>
>> URL to article:
>> http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-benghaz
>> i-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> meters.
>
> It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> Medal of Honor.
>
besieged....oh wait, they do. That's the whole point of the weapon.
Joel Edge
Oct 29, 2012, 8:28:33 AM10/29/12
to
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:17:40 -0400, Hell Stomper wrote
(in article
<31c2d271-59c2-481f...@p11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>):
BTW, where are all of you brave antiwar protesters? Suddenly change your
minds after the 2008 election? Courage and conviction have kinda taken a
backseat these days. Don't have the bravery to protest the current
administration? Mmmm...you woud think there might be some form of agenda
there.
My favorite Futurama clip. For all you "conscientious objectors" out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJiJ53TexI
(in article
<31c2d271-59c2-481f...@p11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>):
minds after the 2008 election? Courage and conviction have kinda taken a
backseat these days. Don't have the bravery to protest the current
administration? Mmmm...you woud think there might be some form of agenda
there.
My favorite Futurama clip. For all you "conscientious objectors" out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJiJ53TexI
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Oct 29, 2012, 8:52:11 AM10/29/12
to
On Oct 29, 7:11 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:01:29 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote
> (in article <e48o88l93ob59uqo858pf6mtqqffe25...@6ax.com>):
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:01:29 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> > <stardusth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Hell Stomper
> > <stardusth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Posted By Bob Owens On October 26, 2012 @ 9:50 am In Politics | 291
> >> Comments
>
> >> an American:
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours —
>
> >> The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and
> >> repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is
> >> commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
> >> Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.
> >> enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
> >> had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
> >> away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One
> >> Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force
> >> operators.
>
> >> There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of
> >> Operation Unified Protector.
>
> >> The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support
> >> aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto
> >> multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and
> >> Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been
> >> credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz
>
> >> It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types,
> >> including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built
> >> for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the
> >> administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we
>
> >> An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the
> >> target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint”
>
> >> There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a
> >> AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic
> >> aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the
> >> dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
>
> >> The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area
> >> suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can
> >> engage hard targets.
>
> >> What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the
> >> ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the
> >> terrorists and saving American lives.
>
> >> See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise on next page.
>
> >> Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise.
> >> The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
>
> >> Update: BlackFive confirmed with a retired Delta operator: The fact
> >> that ground personnel were painting the target says there was a
> >> Spectre on station.
>
> >> Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser
> >> Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from
> >> the report jumped out at me.
> >> One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That
> >> means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground
> >> a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on
> >> that the AC130 was on station.
> >> Only two places could have called off the attack at that point;
> >> the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM
> >> commander based on information directly from the target area.
> >> If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that
> >> means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
> >> station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
> >>http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26/ac-130u-gunship-was-on-scene-in-...
> >> POTUS!
>
> >> Article printed from The PJ Tatler:http://pjmedia.com/tatler
>
> >> URL to article:
> >> i-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Mmmm...that must be why they don't call in a gunship when friendlies are
> besieged....oh wait, they do. That's the whole point of the weapon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> > You ever been on the ground with an AC-130 working out in the
> > neighborhood? It's not a pinpoint weapon system -- it'll take out
> > everything in a football-field sized area.
>
> > So -- you call in SPECTRE -- what are you going to illuminate with
> > your laser?? You can't illuminate a group of people and have SPECTRE
> > take 'em out. If you try that, you'll kill friendlies within 100
> > meters.
>
> > It's an AREA weapon system, fool.
>
> > That's why professionals fight wars, not reporters, not
> > rightwingnutjobs, not desk jockeys, not REMFS.
>
> > Now crawl back into your fantasy world, go get your X-Box and play
> > Medal of Honor.
>
> Mmmm...that must be why they don't call in a gunship when friendlies are
>
> - Show quoted text -
It would take an A-10 less than 30 minutes to be on station to provide
close air support. A 10 second burst from the Vulcan cannon and the
muzzies would head for the tall grass.
RM V2.0
Oct 29, 2012, 9:13:04 AM10/29/12
to
"Willard Twitt Romney" <r...@puke.org> wrote in message
news:k6hets$dfg$1...@dont-email.me...
wingers scared to death of them evil guns. Military is overwhelmingly
conservative dumbass, Thats why Obama blocked the soldiers overseas votes
from being counted.
Willard Twitt Romney
Oct 29, 2012, 10:30:17 AM10/29/12
to
On 10/28/2012 08:48 PM, AlleyCat wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:02:46 -0400, In article<k6ka33$h2p$1@dont-
> email.me>, r...@puke.org says...
>
>> Right wing scumbags tend to be stupid too.
>
> Yeah, that's why we own everything and twits like you work for us. Here
> are more of your fellow brethren:
Can't win on the facts? Change the subject, good little right wing scumbag.
If you want to change the subject, here goes.
STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress
after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a
16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a
13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on
suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an
associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for
sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins
pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted
child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting
sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with
molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran
church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual
act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was
sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one
of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years
later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest
for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on
seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the
age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on
his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62,
who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:02:46 -0400, In article<k6ka33$h2p$1@dont-
> email.me>, r...@puke.org says...
>
>> Right wing scumbags tend to be stupid too.
>
> Yeah, that's why we own everything and twits like you work for us. Here
> are more of your fellow brethren:
Can't win on the facts? Change the subject, good little right wing scumbag.
If you want to change the subject, here goes.
STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress
after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a
16-year old boy.
* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a
13-year old girl on the internet.
* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on
suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
with a 5-year old boy.
* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an
associate in the petition business.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for
sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins
pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted
child molester.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting
sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in
prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with
molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran
church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual
act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty
to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was
sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one
of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years
later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest
for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on
seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the
age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years
in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on
his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62,
who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:52:11 -0400, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey
rd.,Wilmington,D.E wrote
(in article
<ee237627-b146-479c...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
I would have taken either one. I remember watching the Apaches circling
overhead always gave me comfort.
rd.,Wilmington,D.E wrote
(in article
<ee237627-b146-479c...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
overhead always gave me comfort.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Oct 30, 2012, 8:52:35 AM10/30/12
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On Oct 30, 7:28 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:52:11 -0400, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey
> rd.,Wilmington,D.E wrote
> (in article
> <ee237627-b146-479c-915b-e04b7b49a...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:52:11 -0400, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey
> rd.,Wilmington,D.E wrote
> (in article
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ditto. It always gave me comfort to hear the two beat per revolution
> - Show quoted text -
of the main rotor blades of approaching Huey gunships as they came in
to provide CAS or a "Puff the Magic Dragon" gunship equipped with
three Vulcan cannons raining death from 2,000 feet when I'd call in
for CAS after a mortor attack. And now we have some idiot as CIC that
sits on his baggy ass and watches live video feed of Americans being
slaughtered by radical muslims and does NOTHING to provide support.
Now all he can do is "promise" the perps will be brought to justice
so he can use it as a campaign slogan.
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