Saddams Half Brother Decapitated During Hanging
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
aspire to.
Christian Williamson
What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
head came off during hanging?
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
none of their attornies should have been murdered.
The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
our history and good names.
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
Furthermore, whats your personal problem with these guys?
Did they do something to you personally?
Do you feel, as an American that we should overturn the constituion
and just have lynchings again? Whats the basis of your extreme
animosity toward them that can justify the farce of their trial and
execution?
Mel Rowing
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> none of their attornies should have been murdered.
>
> The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> our history and good names.
The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
There's a limit to due process.
If they had to be tried then it was for the overall good that they were
tried in the country where they committed their crimes. The intention
was and is that Iraq shall once more become a state fit to take its
place in the world which one day it will have to do or disappear. It
will never become a real state if it is to be denied such basic rights
as to how to deal with its own criminals. To have taken the trial to
the Hague would have been an international admittance that Iraq and
Iraqis were incapable of administering their own justice. They were
fund guilty. For Christ's sake what other verdict would have been
expected even at the Old Bailey.
In any case there is no existing court in the Hague that would have had
jurisdiction over the case. One would have had to have been created as
in the case of Bosnia and Rwhanda. The verdict would ahve been the same
the perpetrators would merely have gone to prison.
Their Iraqi victims would have been denied justice.
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
Mel Rowing wrote:
> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> > They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> > have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> > none of their attornies should have been murdered.
> >
> > The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> > equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> > the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> > our history and good names.
>
> The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
> circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
> There's a limit to due process.
What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
vision and values.
>
> If they had to be tried then it was for the overall good that they were
> tried in the country where they committed their crimes. The intention
> was and is that Iraq shall once more become a state fit to take its
> place in the world which one day it will have to do or disappear. It
> will never become a real state if it is to be denied such basic rights
> as to how to deal with its own criminals. To have taken the trial to
> the Hague would have been an international admittance that Iraq and
> Iraqis were incapable of administering their own justice. They were
> fund guilty. For Christ's sake what other verdict would have been
> expected even at the Old Bailey.
What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia? Whats
objective about that? We have a different system in the UK
and US and we were in control. This makes us seem like
a bunch of thugs.
>
> In any case there is no existing court in the Hague that would have had
> jurisdiction over the case. One would have had to have been created as
> in the case of Bosnia and Rwhanda. The verdict would ahve been the same
> the perpetrators would merely have gone to prison.
What did Saddam and his co-defendants do to you and yours to
make you so sanguine? Are you an Iraqi?
>
> Their Iraqi victims would have been denied justice.
? So you're a real Old Testament person?
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
john w wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
It does if you're British or American and hold with
our vision and values regarding due process, human rights,
the innocent until proven guilty model and the right to an appeal.
All this was, was a Sunni tried and executed by Shia.
>
> No!
>
> It matters that they were executed!
Why? Are you an Iraqi? Whats your nationality and country of origin?
>
> By the laws of the government of Iraq, they were hanged!
>
> While decapitations are not common during hangings, they are not
> unheard of!
>
> Did you have that sort of compassion or concern for the hundreds of
> thousands Saddam and his half-brother tortured and murdered and raped
> and robbed?
Sure. I also have compassion for the 600k+ Iraqis who have died
since the invasion. Do you have compassion for those?
Kunt Harrington
<miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1168863600.5...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Christian Williamson wrote:
>> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
>> > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>> > aspire to.
>>
>> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
>> head came off during hanging?
>
> It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> none of their attornies should have been murdered.
You don't own a TV do you? It was telecast daily.
>
> The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> our history and good names.
They were tried---- found guilty---- and executed by the elected government
in Iraq. What part of that don't you understand?
I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the
president. ---- Hillary Clinton
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Kunt Harrington
<miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Christian Williamson wrote:
>> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
>> > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>> > aspire to.
>>
>> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
>> head came off during hanging?
>
> Furthermore, whats your personal problem with these guys?
> Did they do something to you personally?
> Do you feel, as an American that we should overturn the constituion
> and just have lynchings again?
I think we should have public hangings.
Whats the basis of your extreme
> animosity toward them that can justify the farce of their trial and
> execution?
They were tried and executed by the elected government of Iraq. What do you
think should have been done to people that were responsible for the murder
of millions of people?
We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”----
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
Kunt Harrington wrote:
> <miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1168863600.5...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Christian Williamson wrote:
> >> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
> >> >
> >> > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
> >> > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
> >> > aspire to.
> >>
> >> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
> >> head came off during hanging?
> >
> > It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> > They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> > have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> > none of their attornies should have been murdered.
>
> You don't own a TV do you? It was telecast daily.
Ah, an Arabic speaker. You guys don't get the whole
innocent until proven guilty thing do you?
Routinely murdering defendants attornies is just a matter of
course for you?
>
> >
> > The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> > equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> > the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> > our history and good names.
>
> They were tried---- found guilty---- and executed by the elected government
> in Iraq. What part of that don't you understand?
No, they were tried by a partisan kangaroo court. The whole
thing was a sham. The real trial would have lasted years in the Hague.
A lot more would have come out about the US and UK relationship with
Iraq during the Cold War. Can't afford that now can we?
>
> I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the
> president. ---- Hillary Clinton
Ah, a Neocon. Mabye its not Arabic you speak?
jb
<miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1168866063.1...@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> > miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > > It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> > > They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> > > have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> > > none of their attornies should have been murdered.
> > >
> > > The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> > > equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> > > the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> > > our history and good names.
> >
> > The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
> > circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
> > There's a limit to due process.
>
> What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
> Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
> jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
> vision and values.
>
> >
He thinks it means everyone agreeing with his point of view.
He has similar ideas on freedom of speech.
Mel was a teecher<sp>, unfortunately he was never educated and as a
consequence neither were his pupils:-((
<Nosmo.King>
$9B6.18@trnddc07:
You know, Mr. Williamson, (see, I can be nice) this is one thing where
you and might agree. There was no doubt that the Iraqi leadership was
corrupt and evil, and they all should have been shot on the spot when we
caught them. My contention, and the contention of the rest of the world,
is that we had no business invading a country in the first place to
enforce Bush's personal vendetta. Not one of these guys was worth the
death of one American soldier, one American dollar, or the long time
prestige and respect of our country. When Bush says "mistakes were made"
he is understating the real situation, as usual. He should have said, "I
totally fucked things up. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm stop right
now and get our troops the hell out of there. Forgive my ineptitude. I'm
asking Mr. Cheney to resign and I'm going to appoint a neutral person
that he Congress can argee on to take his place. Then I will resign and
leave the country in the hands of more competent leadership. I will
retire to Crawford, clear brush and keep my mouth shut from now on."
Yep, that's what he should have said.
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bushlied
That's lost on chickenshit chickenhawk cowards like him
He does not have to do the heavy lifting so all he needs to cheer
Christopher Helms
Kunt Harrington wrote:
> <miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1168863996.2...@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Christian Williamson wrote:
> >> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
> >> >
> >> > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
> >> > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
> >> > aspire to.
> >>
> >> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
> >> head came off during hanging?
> >
> > Furthermore, whats your personal problem with these guys?
> > Did they do something to you personally?
> > Do you feel, as an American that we should overturn the constituion
> > and just have lynchings again?
>
> I think we should have public hangings.
>
>
> Whats the basis of your extreme
> > animosity toward them that can justify the farce of their trial and
> > execution?
>
> They were tried and executed by the elected government of Iraq. What do you
> think should have been done to people that were responsible for the murder
> of millions of people?
Now we're up to millions killed by Saddam Hussein? I think you guys are
just pulling numbers out of your asses now.
vernon
<miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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"WE" did not hang him, idiot.
vernon
"<Nosmo.King>" <Marlboro@Chesterfield> wrote in message
news:Xns98B9580...@38.119.97.2...
> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote in news:adKqh.2104
> $9B6.18@trnddc07:
>
>> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>>>
>>> Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over
> there.
>>> Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>>> aspire to.
>>
>> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
>> head came off during hanging?
>
> You know, Mr. Williamson, (see, I can be nice) this is one thing where
> you and might agree. There was no doubt that the Iraqi leadership was
> corrupt and evil, and they all should have been shot on the spot when we
> caught them. My contention, and the contention of the rest of the world,
> is that we had no business invading a country in the first place to
> enforce Bush's personal vendetta.
"Personal Vendetta"???? Ignorance is why you will die at the hands of them.
And you will still cry with your ignorance based hate.
Deaf Power
The problem is you gladly approve the execution style that violates
human rights.
Your fuhrer Bush is approving the brutal murder in the name of oil.
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Mel Rowing
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> > The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
> > circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
> > There's a limit to due process.
>
> What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
> Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
> jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
> vision and values.
I have every respect for western juriprudence but even western
jurisprudence has its limits.
Saddam was not merely a murderer. He was not even a mere mass murderer.
He was a repetitive murderer and mass muderer. The fact of his crimes
are widely known and are undisputed. No doubt the facts of some of his
relatively minor crimes will forever remain unknown indeed their
relative triviality might have meant thhat even he had forgotten about
them.
Given such a scale of miscreance (itself an indequte word in this
context) how does one pen a case for the defence even a plea in
mitigation?
perhaps you would like to defend him?
Given the impossibility of such a task then what becomes the point of
any trial?
Legal process is not an end in itself. It exists to ensure that
individuals are not wrongly convicted and that any mitigating
circumstance may be taken into account. Is there any wonder that he
sought to disparage and discredit the court that itself made genuine
attempts to conduct proceedings in a spirit of dignity and decorum.
The reality was he had no other alternative. That was the only shot
left in his armoury.
> What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia? Whats
> objective about that? We have a different system in the UK
> and US and we were in control. This makes us seem like
> a bunch of thugs.
If Iraq is to continue to exist than Sunni will have to be tried and
punished by Shiite just as Shiite will have to be tried and punished by
Sunni (or Kurd) Just as in our society black is tried by white and
white by black. Such considerations have to be pushed into the
background and if that's never going to be possible then the breakup of
Iraq should begin here and now.
Hussein was prosecuted, tried and executed by the state of Iraq. It
would not be quite the same here but the fact is that many countries
even quite politically advanced countries maintain a Ministry of
Justice and trials are very much administered ob behalf of the state.
It's not a system I personally would endorse but it is matter of fact.
> > In any case there is no existing court in the Hague that would have had
> > jurisdiction over the case. One would have had to have been created as
> > in the case of Bosnia and Rwhanda. The verdict would ahve been the same
> > the perpetrators would merely have gone to prison.
>
> What did Saddam and his co-defendants do to you and yours to
> make you so sanguine? Are you an Iraqi?
To turn a blind aye to tyranny on the basis that it is not happening in
my back yard is to invite tyranny in that very same back yard. There is
an historical tendancy to ignore tyranny in the hope that it will
subside and disappear as it often does. Occasionally however, the
tyrant just takes takes just that one step too far and has to be
confronted. Kuwait or rather the aftermath of it no doubt was Saddam's
Poland.
> > Their Iraqi victims would have been denied justice.
>
> ? So you're a real Old Testament person?
If that means do I favour the death penalty in certain circumstances?
Then yes I do!
Mike Granby
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> They should all have been tried at the Hague
Quite. Then we could have constructed a custom-made court house and
jail just for the occasion, and stretched things out over years to
provide lots of cushy jobs for those employed by various international
organizations. Sound like an excellent idea -- if you're one of those
getting the hand-outs.
Clay
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
...
> Christian Williamson wrote:
> > miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
> > >
> > > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
> > > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
> > > aspire to.
> >
> > What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
> > head came off during hanging?
>
> It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> none of their attornies should have been murdered.
Translation: You're extremely sad that a "nice" man like Saddam's half
bro was executed. He coulda been reformed, right?
*sigh*
> The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> our history and good names.
The UK doesn't have the Death Penalty b/c it's only a quarter of what
it was when it was GREAT. You stiffnecks are barely two rungs above
the Frogs.
BTW... happy MLK day to one and all.
-C-
abelard
typed:
>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
you're a raving idiot....
if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
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hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>On 15 Jan 2007 05:01:03 -0800, miston...@yahoo.co.uk
>
> typed:
>
>>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
>
>you're a raving idiot....
>if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
And Slobodan Milosevic should have been tried in Bosnia?
And Bush and Blair should be tried for their crimes in Iraq by the
very same court which tried Saddam. Right?
>if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
Not if you do so in another country.
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hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>> > The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
>> > circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
>> > There's a limit to due process.
>>
>> What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
>> Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
>> jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
>> vision and values.
>
>I have every respect for western juriprudence but even western
>jurisprudence has its limits.
>
>Saddam was not merely a murderer. He was not even a mere mass murderer.
>He was a repetitive murderer and mass muderer. The fact of his crimes
>are widely known and are undisputed. No doubt the facts of some of his
>relatively minor crimes will forever remain unknown indeed their
>relative triviality might have meant thhat even he had forgotten about
>them.
That is patent nonsense.
Even though Saddam clearly committed some crimes, he was accused
by Western politicians of much more - often by association or gross
exaggeration - than was either true or provable.
Then there was Western complicity in some of his crimes which was
not brought out in the trial.
abelard
<RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:55:50 +0100 'abelard'
>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On 15 Jan 2007 05:01:03 -0800, miston...@yahoo.co.uk
>>
>> typed:
>>
>>>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
>>
>>you're a raving idiot....
>>if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
>
>And Slobodan Milosevic should have been tried in Bosnia?
yugoslavia was broken up
>And Bush and Blair should be tried for their crimes in Iraq by the
>very same court which tried Saddam. Right?
>
>>if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
>
>Not if you do so in another country.
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hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:24:48 +0000, hummingbird
><RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
>
> typed:
>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:55:50 +0100 'abelard'
>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>On 15 Jan 2007 05:01:03 -0800, miston...@yahoo.co.uk
>>>
>>> typed:
>>>
>>>>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
>>>
>>>you're a raving idiot....
>>>if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
>>
>>And Slobodan Milosevic should have been tried in Bosnia?
>
>yugoslavia was broken up
I never mentioned Yugoslavia.
>>And Bush and Blair should be tried for their crimes in Iraq by the
>>very same court which tried Saddam. Right?
>>
>>>if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
>>
>>Not if you do so in another country.
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<RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:47:28 +0100 'abelard'
>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:24:48 +0000, hummingbird
>><RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
>>
>> typed:
>>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:55:50 +0100 'abelard'
>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>>>
>>>>On 15 Jan 2007 05:01:03 -0800, miston...@yahoo.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> typed:
>>>>
>>>>>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
>>>>
>>>>you're a raving idiot....
>>>>if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
>>>
>>>And Slobodan Milosevic should have been tried in Bosnia?
>>
>>yugoslavia was broken up
>
>I never mentioned Yugoslavia.
i noticed...remiss that
>>>And Bush and Blair should be tried for their crimes in Iraq by the
>>>very same court which tried Saddam. Right?
>>>
>>>>if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
>>>
>>>Not if you do so in another country.
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> They were tried and executed by the elected government of Iraq. What do you
> think should have been done to people that were responsible for the murder
> of millions of people?
Millions? I heard it was billions!!!
Klatts Caliphate of Innuendo
Alleged video of the hanging to be posted on www.ogrish.com soon !!
Get the popcorn ready and put the kids in the car.
Bill Bonde
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>
> Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
> Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
> aspire to.
>
They have some aspiring to, certainly.
There are some calculations that can be done in order to drop the person
enough that his neck snaps killing him instantly but not with enough
force to pull it out of his body. In some cases where the person being
executed is overweight, the distances involved might not leave a lot of
room for error. Of course this is largely a janitorial question.
Let's not forget that what really happened is probably that the greedy
Saddam henchman had sewn some gold coins looted from Iraqis into the
lining of his trousers. You can't take it with you, but you sure can
try!
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Bill Bonde
miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> Christian Williamson wrote:
> > miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
> > >
> > > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
> > > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
> > > aspire to.
> >
> > What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
> > head came off during hanging?
>
> It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
> They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
> have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
> none of their attornies should have been murdered.
>
> The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
> equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
> the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
> our history and good names.
>
Iraq was running the trial because Saddam and his people committed their
crimes against Iraqis in Iraq. Of course things could've been done
better but to take this away from Iraq and put it into Europe would
really have rankled Iraqis and Arabs in general.
hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:18:38 +0000, hummingbird
><RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
>
> typed:
>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:47:28 +0100 'abelard'
>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:24:48 +0000, hummingbird
>>><RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
>>>
>>> typed:
>>>>On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:55:50 +0100 'abelard'
>>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
>>>>
>>>>>On 15 Jan 2007 05:01:03 -0800, miston...@yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
>>>>>
>>>>>you're a raving idiot....
>>>>>if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court....
>>>>
>>>>And Slobodan Milosevic should have been tried in Bosnia?
>>>
>>>yugoslavia was broken up
>>
>>I never mentioned Yugoslavia.
>
>i noticed...remiss that
Are you suggesting that the only place Milosevic could have been tried
was in a reconstituted Yugoslavia?
>>>>And Bush and Blair should be tried for their crimes in Iraq by the
>>>>very same court which tried Saddam. Right?
>>>>
>>>>>if you commit a crime against icelanders you'll be tried in iceland
>>>>
>>>>Not if you do so in another country.
--
Adam Albright
So what you're suggesting is in their "democracy" Iraq demonstrates to
the world the advantages of hanging somebody in a rush and ending up
pulling the guy's head from his body. That had to be messy.
1. I wonder, did it fall in a basket?
2. Will they send the head FedX to Bush or Cheney as a thophy?
3. Can we play too and make this the climax of the next impeachment?
Wow, no wonder Bush walks around with a boner. He really like this
kind of stuff and what a good example Iraq is, surely now it is so
much more civilized then it was under Saddam.
abelard
<RHBIYD...@spammotel.com>
i'm 'suggesting' the situation is/was not 'equivalent'
situations rarely are....
as long as your 'mind' requires analogies you won't deal with realities...
reality, particularly political or complex reality, does not come with
instructions or reliable rules
abelard
typed:
i realise you are one pretty dumb fellow...
but you should realise the ripping the head off is a known hazard of
hanging
doubtless as a socialist you prefer your killings out of sight and
sterile
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling.
--
Dirk
http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Like in the US?
abelard
<dirk....@gmail.com>
typed:
you may say that...i see no reason to comment....
regards....
mma...@my-deja.com
> Iraq was running the trial because Saddam and his people committed their
> crimes against Iraqis in Iraq.
If Saddam Hussein had been tried in the Hague, he'd have been able to
tell all about those dirty deals with America decades ago... which is
precisely why Bush wanted him bumped off as quickly as possible after a
show trial in Iraq under his control. It just wouldn't do to be trying
him for using chemical weapons and have him tell the world about how he
got those chemical weapons from America in the first place.
Mark
hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
There is no difference between the two situations which have any
material relevance. Both situations meet your earlier argument of:
"if you commit a crime in irak you will be tried by an iraki court..."
You're just dreaming up fantasy stories as usual.
rbu
abelard
miston...@yahoo.co.uk
Seems we have a lot of people here who dont believe in Western vision,
values, innocent until proven guilty, and prefer lynch mobs.
Most won't even say where they're from or what their patently
non-Anglo-Saxon anathemas stem from.
Kunt Harrington
<miston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1168866063.1...@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mel Rowing wrote:
>> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> > It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
>> > They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
>> > have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
>> > none of their attornies should have been murdered.
>> >
>> > The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
>> > equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
>> > the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
>> > our history and good names.
>>
>> circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
>> There's a limit to due process.
>
> What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
> Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
> jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
> vision and values.
>
>>
>> tried in the country where they committed their crimes. The intention
>> was and is that Iraq shall once more become a state fit to take its
>> place in the world which one day it will have to do or disappear. It
>> will never become a real state if it is to be denied such basic rights
>> as to how to deal with its own criminals. To have taken the trial to
>> the Hague would have been an international admittance that Iraq and
>> Iraqis were incapable of administering their own justice. They were
>> fund guilty. For Christ's sake what other verdict would have been
>> expected even at the Old Bailey.
>
> What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia?
How is that any different from a Baptist being tried and executed by a
Catholic?
Whats
> objective about that? We have a different system in the UK
> and US and we were in control. This makes us seem like
> a bunch of thugs.
>
>>
>> In any case there is no existing court in the Hague that would have had
>> jurisdiction over the case. One would have had to have been created as
>> in the case of Bosnia and Rwhanda. The verdict would ahve been the same
>> the perpetrators would merely have gone to prison.
>
> What did Saddam and his co-defendants do to you and yours to
> make you so sanguine? Are you an Iraqi?
>
>>
>> Their Iraqi victims would have been denied justice.
>
> ? So you're a real Old Testament person?
The Bible has nothing to do with it, it is a secular humanist matter.
Heavens, no! It could get subpoenaed. I can't write anything. --- Hillary
Clinton
>
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Kunt Harrington
"Bill Bonde" <tributyl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45ABDD31...@yahoo.co.uk...
>
>
> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Christian Williamson wrote:
>> > miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>> > >
>> > > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over
>> > > there.
>> > > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>> > > aspire to.
>> >
>> > What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or that his
>> > head came off during hanging?
>>
>> It was probably even more of a circus than Saddams execution.
>> They should all have been tried at the Hague. The proceedings should
>> have been open to scrutiny, translated for the world to hear;
>> none of their attornies should have been murdered.
>>
>> The entire trial was a disgrace and the way the executions handled,
>> equally so, espcially since the UK doesn't have a death penalty and
>> the US has a significant appeals process. The entire thing besmirches
>> our history and good names.
>>
> Iraq was running the trial because Saddam and his people committed their
> crimes against Iraqis in Iraq. Of course things could've been done
> better
A better way would have been to just drop some C4 in Saddam's spider hole.
BOOM! No circus for the left wing terrorist lovers.
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
but to take this away from Iraq and put it into Europe would
> really have rankled Iraqis and Arabs in general.
>
>
> --
> "The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen
> and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
--
Kunt Harrington
"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:jjqnq2h6ja7jcbjv5...@4ax.com...
"Rush"? The trial lasted over a year.
and ending up
> pulling the guy's head from his body. That had to be messy.
That is just a housekeeping problem.
>
> 1. I wonder, did it fall in a basket?
> 2. Will they send the head FedX to Bush or Cheney as a thophy?
> 3. Can we play too and make this the climax of the next impeachment?
>
> Wow, no wonder Bush walks around with a boner.
Like you do when American soldiers are killed?
He really like this
> kind of stuff and what a good example Iraq is, surely now it is so
> much more civilized then it was under Saddam.
Yes it is. They were not put alive into a shredder were they?
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
>
>
--
Zadok
"john w" <> wrote in message
> Does it matter how those barbarians were EXECUTED?
I hear that he is already in hell!!
And he found a little over 3,000 US Troops already there.
And more US soldiers arriving every day!!
Kunt Harrington
"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:Y1Xqh.157919$hn.44620@edtnps82...
I bet that give you a very warm feeling in your leftist heart doesn't it.
"[Hillary Clinton] cannot defend her own rights against her husband. How can
she defend the rights of my country?" -- General Suhaila Siddiq,
Afghanistan's only woman general, a surgeon, hospital director and heroine
to a generation of young women who remained in the country, The [London]
Times, WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 28 2001
Docky Wocky
< Boo-Hoo-ing the loss of Barzan Ibrahim>
"Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling..."
_________________________________
What's worse?
Knowing the eventual verdict for a pair of killers?
Or, failing to face reality, and rosily dreaming the verdict might come out
different?
Kunt Harrington
"Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
news:%pYqh.7607$Gj5.3567@trnddc01...
He did not want his heroes to die for killing thousands. They were just
misunderstood children with a troubled past from broken homes.
"Our challenge is much more pervasive than it would be if we were just
facing one enemy in one place. [Instead there is] the Middle East, Iraq,
North Korea, Iran. There's a relatively long list that we believe are linked
to the al Qaeda network in the Philippines, in Indonesia and in Yemen and
other places. That makes it very clear that this is a global network." --
Hillary Rodham Clinton, borrowing a page from President Bush's "axis of
evil" speech, during a weekend address in Dix Hills, N.Y.
Zadok
"Kunt Harrington" <> wrote in message ...
> > And he found a little over 3,000 US Troops already there.
> >
> > And more US soldiers arriving every day!!
>
> I bet that give you a very warm feeling in your leftist heart doesn't it.
I'm sorry, I'm right handed. What is this leftist stuff.
I just don't see the difference in putting a gun to someone's head and
pulling the trigger, and releasing a bomb from 10,000 feet.
You kill innocent people, you get judged on your actions.
See God, has never heard of collateral damage!!
duke
Hardly. For Jesus directed us to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and
unto God that which is God's.
Do you get the message?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
hummingbird
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
Not if you wish to continue with your entrenched dogmas.
Kunt Harrington
So you think Saddam and his brother were innocent. How revealing!
Tart tongues are tittering about the lovefest Hillary Clinton enjoyed this
week on the Rosie O'Donnell show. The two wore nearly identical dark pant
suits, and the hefty hostess kept referring to her guest affectionately as
"Hill."...Time magazine [is] preparing to anoint Hillary -- who's already on
the cover of Vogue -- as its Person of the Year. And yesterday, Hillary was
back on TV on Today giving Katie Couric a tour of the white House Christmas
decorations. The Horndog-in-Chief barely got a word in edgewise. When Couric
asked what they were thankful for this year, Hillary said, "We're healthy,
and we're sill here to do the job we were sent here to do." Notice the use
of the word "we." -- Page Six, New York Post, December 10, 1998
>
> See God, has never heard of collateral damage!!
>
>
--
Kunt Harrington
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jmepq25nrgcpgfckb...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:48:24 GMT, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"john w" <> wrote in message
>>
>>> Does it matter how those barbarians were EXECUTED?
>>
>>I hear that he is already in hell!!
>>
>>And he found a little over 3,000 US Troops already there.
>>
>>And more US soldiers arriving every day!!
>
> Hardly. For Jesus directed us to render unto Caesar that which is
> Caesar's and
> unto God that which is God's.
>
> Do you get the message?
Saddam and hid brother were rendered unto Allah.
First Lady Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpeonaed documents
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the
president."
James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:The President and His Adversaries
>
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
--
Kunt Harrington
"Hagar" <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote in message
news:1OR745I139098.5447916667@anonymous.poster...
> In article <adKqh.2104$9B6.18@trnddc07>
> Christian Williamson <c.w...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things
> over there.
>> > Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and
> what to
>> > aspire to.
>>
>> What's your problem? That Saddam's half brother was hung, or
> that his
>> head came off during hanging?
>
> were rushed off to execution without a fair and impartial trial
> at the Hague,
What jurisdiction would the Hague have over Iraq and why do you think they
were innocent?
"When the [former Director of Management and Administration David] Watkins
memo contradicted Mrs. Clinton's account of the travel office firings,
Fabiani told reporters that 'her statements are true and his are false.'
Fabiani said he arrived at this conclusion without independently verifying
the statements and without interviewing Mrs. Clinton or Watkins." -- (Los
Angeles Times, 2/2/96)
where all of Saddam's cozy business dealings with
> the Bush and Reagan administrations would have come out in
> public.
>
> But that's all right; in the absence of such a trial, almost
> everyone assumes that the worst is true.
>
> And it probably is.
>
> History will be kinder to Saddam Hussein than it will to George
> 'WMD' Bush.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
> The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header
> is unverified.
govern...@comcast.net
<KuntHar...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>> The PROBLEM, boychick, is that Saddam Hussein and his cronies
>> were rushed off to execution without a fair and impartial trial
>> at the Hague,
>
>What jurisdiction would the Hague have over Iraq and why do you think they
>were innocent?
The Hague is generally considered an acceptable venue for
international suits and criminal prosecutions. Except by George W
Bush who refuses to be a part of international prosecutions of war
criminals.
>"When the [former Director of Management and Administration David] Watkins
>memo contradicted Mrs. Clinton's account of the travel office firings,
>Fabiani told reporters that 'her statements are true and his are false.'
>Fabiani said he arrived at this conclusion without independently verifying
>the statements and without interviewing Mrs. Clinton or Watkins." -- (Los
>Angeles Times, 2/2/96)
A ten year old, out of context snippet of something about Hillary
Clinton has a bearing on the topic you're discussing in what way?
Swill
--
"Where mistakes have been made,
the responsibility rests with me."
George Bush - 1/10/2006
VRWC Destruction Machine
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>
>Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
>Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>aspire to.
Let the Iraqis continue to hang members of Hussein's old guard until
they get it right. Let them do a dry run with Baghdad Bob.
-
"This VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY that has been conspiring
against my husband since the day he announced for President"
-Hillary Clinton on the Today Show Jan 27, 1998
As Bill Clinton said in a speech last week, referring
to a range of conservative media: "They have a DESTRUCTION
MACHINE. We don't have a DESTRUCTION MACHINE."
-Bill Clinton in a speech addressing the Democratic Leadership Council
on 2002 in New York
Zadok
"Kunt Harrington" <> wrote in message ...
> So you think Saddam and his brother were innocent. How revealing!
I'm sorry, did I say that??
Didn't I say his half brother was in Hell!!
Oh, and four more fucking american troops joined him in hell today!!
You seem to have sexual fantasies about Hillary!!
Shock treatments might help you!!
Zadok
"duck" <> wrote in message
> >And more US soldiers arriving every day!!
>
> Hardly. For Jesus directed us to render unto Caesar that which is
Caesar's and
> unto God that which is God's.
>
> Do you get the message?
Loud and clear!! While you were playing your word games, four more fucking
american soldiers arrived in hell today!!
Zadok
"Kunt Harrington" <> wrote in message ...
> First Lady Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpeonaed
documents
> "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are
the
> president."
That's why you call yourself Kunt.
You want to lick Hillary!!
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> "Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
> news:%pYqh.7607$Gj5.3567@trnddc01...
>> dirkie sez:
>>
>>
>> < Boo-Hoo-ing the loss of Barzan Ibrahim>
>>
>> "Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
>> verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling..."
>> _________________________________
>> What's worse?
>>
>> Knowing the eventual verdict for a pair of killers?
>>
>> Or, failing to face reality, and rosily dreaming the verdict might come
>> out different?
>
> He did not want his heroes to die for killing thousands. They were just
> misunderstood children with a troubled past from broken homes.
I've no problem with the revenge killing of Saddam.
It's the hypocrisy I don't like.
Kunt Harrington
<govern...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iv1qq216frfjdd54g...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:28:28 -0600, "Kunt Harrington"
> <KuntHar...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The PROBLEM, boychick, is that Saddam Hussein and his cronies
>>> were rushed off to execution without a fair and impartial trial
>>> at the Hague,
>>
>>What jurisdiction would the Hague have over Iraq and why do you think they
>>were innocent?
>
> The Hague is generally considered an acceptable venue for
> international suits and criminal prosecutions.
Saddam's murders were an Iraqi suit and not an international one.
Except by George W
> Bush who refuses to be a part of international prosecutions of war
> criminals.
Saddam's prosecution was an Iraqi matter. Should Tim McVey have been tried
in the Hague for his murders?
>
>>"When the [former Director of Management and Administration David] Watkins
>>memo contradicted Mrs. Clinton's account of the travel office firings,
>>Fabiani told reporters that 'her statements are true and his are false.'
>>Fabiani said he arrived at this conclusion without independently verifying
>>the statements and without interviewing Mrs. Clinton or Watkins." -- (Los
>>Angeles Times, 2/2/96)
>
> A ten year old, out of context snippet of something about Hillary
> Clinton has a bearing on the topic you're discussing in what way?
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to
increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10,
2002
>
> Swill
> --
> "Where mistakes have been made,
> the responsibility rests with me."
> George Bush - 1/10/2006
--
Kunt Harrington
>
> "Kunt Harrington" <> wrote in message ...
>
>> So you think Saddam and his brother were innocent. How revealing!
>
> I'm sorry, did I say that??
>
> Didn't I say his half brother was in Hell!!
>
> Oh, and four more fucking american troops joined him in hell today!!
I bet that gave you are big woody.
>
> You seem to have sexual fantasies about Hillary!!
> Shock treatments might help you!!
I happen to like Hitlery quotes.
"The intelligence which the president shared with us (on Iraq) was in line
with what we saw in the White House." -- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton,
2003
Kunt Harrington
She's my favorite bitch.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to
increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10,
2002
>
>
--
Kunt Harrington
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:514pvvF...@mid.individual.net...
> Kunt Harrington wrote:
>> "Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
>> news:%pYqh.7607$Gj5.3567@trnddc01...
>>> dirkie sez:
>>>
>>>
>>> < Boo-Hoo-ing the loss of Barzan Ibrahim>
>>>
>>> "Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
>>> verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling..."
>>> _________________________________
>>> What's worse?
>>>
>>> Knowing the eventual verdict for a pair of killers?
>>>
>>> Or, failing to face reality, and rosily dreaming the verdict might come
>>> out different?
>>
>> He did not want his heroes to die for killing thousands. They were just
>> misunderstood children with a troubled past from broken homes.
>
> I've no problem with the revenge killing of Saddam.
> It's the hypocrisy I don't like.
From the left? I think it is funny myself.
"I understand why Hillary wants to run for President, but does it have to be
of THIS country? I mean, why can't she just do like the last time: move
somewhere she's never lived and run THERE?" -- The America Show
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
> Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
> http://www.resonancefm.com
--
Roedy Green
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6261965.stm
>
>Wonderful. Real democracy, human rights and all good things over there.
>Fantastic. We have really shown them how to be better and what to
>aspire to.
You have to imagine the Baathists rubbing their hands in glee. Surely
this was no accident. Two more glorious martyrs with their crimes
forgotten.
“The big thieves hang the little ones”
~ Czech Proverb
“Don't hang a man and then try him afterward”
~ Proverb
“Men are not hanged for stealing horses but that horses may not be
stolen”
~ George Savile
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation. End both wars. Prepare for oil shortages.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:514pvvF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Kunt Harrington wrote:
>>> "Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%pYqh.7607$Gj5.3567@trnddc01...
>>>> dirkie sez:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> < Boo-Hoo-ing the loss of Barzan Ibrahim>
>>>>
>>>> "Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
>>>> verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling..."
>>>> _________________________________
>>>> What's worse?
>>>>
>>>> Knowing the eventual verdict for a pair of killers?
>>>>
>>>> Or, failing to face reality, and rosily dreaming the verdict might come
>>>> out different?
>>> He did not want his heroes to die for killing thousands. They were just
>>> misunderstood children with a troubled past from broken homes.
>> I've no problem with the revenge killing of Saddam.
>> It's the hypocrisy I don't like.
>
> From the left? I think it is funny myself.
So you think Bush and the Iraq regime are leftists?
They are the ones pretending it wasn't a lynching.
Kunt Harrington
> Kunt Harrington wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:514pvvF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Kunt Harrington wrote:
>>>> "Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%pYqh.7607$Gj5.3567@trnddc01...
>>>>> dirkie sez:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> < Boo-Hoo-ing the loss of Barzan Ibrahim>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Whereas having them lynched by the Shias after a show trial whose
>>>>> verdict was known long before gave everyone a rosy warm feeling..."
>>>>> _________________________________
>>>>> What's worse?
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowing the eventual verdict for a pair of killers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, failing to face reality, and rosily dreaming the verdict might
>>>>> come out different?
>>>> He did not want his heroes to die for killing thousands. They were just
>>>> misunderstood children with a troubled past from broken homes.
>>> I've no problem with the revenge killing of Saddam.
>>> It's the hypocrisy I don't like.
>>
>> From the left? I think it is funny myself.
>
> So you think Bush and the Iraq regime are leftists?
> They are the ones pretending it wasn't a lynching.
Huh?
"She's a Yankee,and many Arkansans are glad she may not come back to the
state. You can't betray what you were never loyal to in the first place." --
Jerry Russell, a long-time Arkansas political consultant on Hillary Clinton.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
> Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
> http://www.resonancefm.com
--
Kurt Lochner-Harrington
>
>"Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote, in a reply to:
> >
> >Dialup bin Muffette <moff...@earthlink.net> sniveled the usual:
> > >
> > >So you think Saddam and his brother were innocent. How revealing!
> >
> > I'm sorry, did I say that??
> >
> > Didn't I say his half brother was in Hell!!
> >
> > Oh, and four more fucking american troops joined him in hell today!!
>
>I bet that gave you are big woody.
*>wheeze~<* Another Muffette blooper for my collection..
Here's some other priceless mentions..
"%%%% We fathom your very well."
"%%%% I grew up caring for livestock"
"%%%% I have never fabricated any thing."
"%%%% I sure sounded like you were cocksucker."
"%%%% That is where my limited skills hit a dead end."
"%%%% ROTFLMAO! You are na idiot Kuntsy!"
"%%%% Not in my profssional expierence."
"%%%% both of my parents were high school drop outs"
"%%%% My parents were normal."
--Say, don't you owe somebody $5,000.00?
______________________________________________________________________
"%%%% Shall we say $5,000?"
"%%%% The college sais they never heard of you."
"%%%% I saw a generic BS degree with someone elses name on it"
"%%%% It was an easy bet since you do not have
and never will be asble to produce a physics degree."
"%%%% Show us your wrong answer again!"
"%%%% It is quite apparent you cannot read since you got
the answer wrong."
"%%%% I know my 12 year old grandkid is smarter than you"
"%%%% AMAZING! You got it wrong 20 times until you saw the
answer given by others!
"%%%% No need for an equation since objects fall at 32 feet
per second/per second and the ball was traveling at 1,000
feet per second.
(1) How far will the cannon ball go before it hits the ground?
----> 1,000 feet
(2) How long will it take for the cannon ball to hit the ground?
----> 1 second.?
Nope..
Since y and v(0)*t both equal zero, here's the next step..
32f = 16f/s^2 * t^2
Dividing the 16 out of the right side..
32'/16' = 2 = t^2 thus t = square root of 2 = 1.414 seconds..
I gave you a chance to check your answer several times over..
--But noooooooo.. You had to go and be a dufus gun-tard..
govern...@comcast.net
<KuntHar...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>Saddam's prosecution was an Iraqi matter. Should Tim McVey have been tried
>in the Hague for his murders?
TM a State leader and wasn't arrested by Iraqis as they invaded our
country and held by them until the trial was over.
liber...@yahoo.com
Mel Rowing wrote:
> miston...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Mel Rowing wrote:
> > > The only only disgrace was that there was a trial at all in
> > > circumstances whereunder every child was ware of their misdeeds.
> > > There's a limit to due process.
> >
> > What Gulag did you and your family administrate?
> > Innocent until proven guilty is the way of Anglo-Saxon
> > jurisprudence. You plainly have no regard for Western
> > vision and values.
>
> I have every respect for western juriprudence but even western
> jurisprudence has its limits.
Well, you and your family should be stoned as a public service. Works
fer me!
>
> Saddam was not merely a murderer. He was not even a mere mass murderer.
> He was a repetitive murderer and mass muderer. The fact of his crimes
> are widely known and are undisputed. No doubt the facts of some of his
> relatively minor crimes will forever remain unknown indeed their
> relative triviality might have meant thhat even he had forgotten about
> them.
Odd that you forget who sold him his tools of genocide.
>
> Given such a scale of miscreance (itself an indequte word in this
> context) how does one pen a case for the defence even a plea in
> mitigation?
>
> perhaps you would like to defend him?
>
> Given the impossibility of such a task then what becomes the point of
> any trial?
To live up to one's declaration of being a moral example?
>
> Legal process is not an end in itself. It exists to ensure that
> individuals are not wrongly convicted and that any mitigating
> circumstance may be taken into account. Is there any wonder that he
> sought to disparage and discredit the court that itself made genuine
> attempts to conduct proceedings in a spirit of dignity and decorum.
Apparently you are unaware Saddam's inhumane acts occured as a result
of Bush I calling for revolt by the Kurds and Shia, and then sitting on
the sidelines as Saddam responded
>
> The reality was he had no other alternative. That was the only shot
> left in his armoury.
>
> > What? A Sunni tried and executed by Shia? Whats
> > objective about that? We have a different system in the UK
> > and US and we were in control. This makes us seem like
> > a bunch of thugs.
>
> If Iraq is to continue to exist than Sunni will have to be tried and
> punished by Shiite just as Shiite will have to be tried and punished by
> Sunni (or Kurd) Just as in our society black is tried by white and
> white by black. Such considerations have to be pushed into the
> background and if that's never going to be possible then the breakup of
> Iraq should begin here and now.
>
> Hussein was prosecuted, tried and executed by the state of Iraq. It
> would not be quite the same here but the fact is that many countries
> even quite politically advanced countries maintain a Ministry of
> Justice and trials are very much administered ob behalf of the state.
> It's not a system I personally would endorse but it is matter of fact.
Sure you endorse it, read what you have written.
>
> > > In any case there is no existing court in the Hague that would have had
> > > jurisdiction over the case. One would have had to have been created as
> > > in the case of Bosnia and Rwhanda. The verdict would ahve been the same
> > > the perpetrators would merely have gone to prison.
> >
> > What did Saddam and his co-defendants do to you and yours to
> > make you so sanguine? Are you an Iraqi?
>
> To turn a blind aye to tyranny on the basis that it is not happening in
> my back yard is to invite tyranny in that very same back yard. There is
> an historical tendancy to ignore tyranny in the hope that it will
> subside and disappear as it often does. Occasionally however, the
> tyrant just takes takes just that one step too far and has to be
> confronted. Kuwait or rather the aftermath of it no doubt was Saddam's
> Poland.
Heh, when are you invading the several brutal countries in Africa. What
pompous B/S. You put me in mind of ass-kissing TV pundits who never
miss a chance to praise the "greatest generation". Of course, each
conveniently forgets that same generation objected to FDR sending arms
to Britain, some held Bund meetings in Madison Square Garden, Lindbergh
though Hitler was great. So forth and so on.
Odd that had we spent the Iraq war $1.2 trillion on energy and
transportation, and gave away all the R&D, moving the world into a post
petroleum economy, we could thumb our noses on the middle east
dictatorships. But, oh no, quick draw thugs like you say war is the
answer.
Interesting you mention Kuwait. Did you know Saddam asked Bush (through
the US ambassador April Glassby) for permission to invade Kuwait?
>
> > > Their Iraqi victims would have been denied justice.
> >
> > ? So you're a real Old Testament person?
>
> If that means do I favour the death penalty in certain circumstances?
> Then yes I do!
Heck, in your case, I'd recommend it as a prophylactic.
Mel Rowing
liber...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> > I have every respect for western juriprudence but even western
> > jurisprudence has its limits.
>
> Well, you and your family should be stoned as a public service. Works
> fer me!
Then perhaps you would explain how any system of justice is expected to
work in a scenario whereunder a defendant is not only accused of a
great multititude of crimes and everyone including himself not only
thinks, not only believes but knows him to be guilty and further knows
there can be no question of mitigation. Whose onle defence is the bogus
affrontery to chaalenge the legitimacy of the court that tries him It's
far better he be hunted down and killed just like the mad dangerous dog
he is.
> Odd that you forget who sold him his tools of genocide.
And what would those be? The Russian tanks? The French aircraft?
> > Given such a scale of miscreance (itself an indequte word in this
> > context) how does one pen a case for the defence even a plea in
> > mitigation?
> >
> > perhaps you would like to defend him?
Nope!
> > Given the impossibility of such a task then what becomes the point of
> > any trial?
>
> To live up to one's declaration of being a moral example?
You mean enter into an orgy of gesture politics? I've no time for that!
> Apparently you are unaware Saddam's inhumane acts occured as a result
> of Bush I calling for revolt by the Kurds and Shia, and then sitting on
> the sidelines as Saddam responded
Yes I am! Even of there were an element of truth in that, most of
Saddams excess predate the first Gulf war.
> > The reality was he had no other alternative. That was the only shot
> > left in his armoury.
> > Hussein was prosecuted, tried and executed by the state of Iraq. It
> > would not be quite the same here but the fact is that many countries
> > even quite politically advanced countries maintain a Ministry of
> > Justice and trials are very much administered ob behalf of the state.
> > It's not a system I personally would endorse but it is matter of fact.
>
> Sure you endorse it, read what you have written.
Read it again!
> > To turn a blind aye to tyranny on the basis that it is not happening in
> > my back yard is to invite tyranny in that very same back yard. There is
> > an historical tendancy to ignore tyranny in the hope that it will
> > subside and disappear as it often does. Occasionally however, the
> > tyrant just takes takes just that one step too far and has to be
> > confronted. Kuwait or rather the aftermath of it no doubt was Saddam's
> > Poland.
>
> Heh, when are you invading the several brutal countries in Africa.
I am not aware that any of these brutal African dictators have as yet
taken that fateful step. Perhaps one day one will and then ...
Remember Entebbe? Just a shot across the bows!
> Odd that had we spent the Iraq war $1.2 trillion on energy and
> transportation, and gave away all the R&D, moving the world into a post
> petroleum economy, we could thumb our noses on the middle east
> dictatorships. But, oh no, quick draw thugs like you say war is the
> answer.
The petroleum economy will be with us for a generation or more yet no
wonder how much you spend on R&D. So long as that is the case the ME
as a major source and supplier of petroleum will remain a region of
interest to the whole of the developed world.
> Interesting you mention Kuwait. Did you know Saddam asked Bush (through
> the US ambassador April Glassby) for permission to invade Kuwait?
No and neither do you!
It seems an extraordinary hypothesis that GWB I would consent to Iraqi
invasion of Kuwait safe in the knowledge that:
It might and probably would bring about enormous and unpredictable
repercussions regarding the political stability of the region.
That the security of oil resources including the oil resources of US
companies would be put in jeopody.
That the normalisation of the Kuwait situation would involve extensive
use of US armed forces with all the attendant costs both in resources
and lives that this would involve.
In short to let him in so that he could kick him out.
I'm sure that this makes perfect sense to crackpot conspiracy
theorists. It doesn't to anyone else.
Saddam belonged to the tradition that played one superpower against the
other and did not note the passing of the Cold war and recognise that
particular game to be over. After all had not the US acted so as to
prevent his defeat by Iran?
I'm sure he believed that the US would not intervene militarily
provided certain undertakings were made, that US interests in
particular would be respected ,the oil would continue to flow and so
on. I'm sure he thought he could play the political game and
procrastinate until the international community interest shifted onto
another focus or that other Middle eastern regimes gagthered about him.
He miscalculated. He made that fateful step I referred to earlier.
Kuwait was his Poland.
Alan Murphy
news:1169032029.3...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> He miscalculated. He made that fateful step I referred to earlier.
> Kuwait was his Poland.
>
Mel Rowing
I strongly doubt it!
For a start I doubt whether Bush will attack Iran unless of course he
is provoked into it e.g. Iranian forces openly attack US forces. If
that happened then the people of the US would get behind any President
and Iran would be crushed just as a fly is crushed by a rolled
newspaper and with as little effort.
Iran is no military match for the US.
The crux to the nuclear issue if ever there is one will come well
outside the Bush Presidency.
Further I doubt very much whether Armajhad or whatever he calls himself
is as secure in his position as some whould have us believe. There are
distinct rumblings in Iran particularly from amongst the educated
classes for internal reform.
Deaf Power
<mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Bush's Iran, as well as Iraq, is Clinton's Somolia aka "Black Hawk
Down". You don't fight terrorists with army.
--
Impeach Bush!
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2791/Rep_McKinney_Files_Articles_of_Impeachment