Bush's flight --- a warmonger in action
Terry Pearson
The Canadian government is stupid
enough to do it on it's own accord
--
Terry Pearson
The stench to socialism
is the truth!
God Blessed America
http://www.rightpoint.ca
"Karen Gordon" <ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> "Hawkeye" <pos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke and
your
> >> country is becoming one Sick Joke.
>
> "Dan" (sabot...@hot.rr.com) writes:
> > when Canadians get the right to vote in American elections, and your
> > monopoly money is worth something, get back to us.
>
> (K): Nope. As long as you insist on killing our troops during your wars,
> telling us what to do with our resources, our laws, and our advertising,
> we'll get right into all your business. We don't want more of your
> American influence in our country - we want less.
>
> Get back to us when you realize it's not a one-way street, American.
>
> --
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> ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE (may not apply in certain states)
>
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Karen Gordon
>> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke and your
>> country is becoming one
Steven Litvintchouk (sdli...@earthlink.net) writes:
> Yes, you Canadians are far too "sophisticated" to believe in national
> defense.
>
> You've created a pacifist country with no military, which is likely to
> repeat the glorious examples from WW2 of Norway, Holland, and Belgium,
> all of whom disappeared into the Nazi maw while clinging to the illusion
> of appeasement.
>
> In case terrorists ever threaten Canada, don't come asking America for
> help. Handle it yourselves. You're on your own from now on, honey.
(K): The only dangerous country Canada can envision intimidating,
boycotting, encroaching on sovereign territory, or invading - is the
United States of America. We have no other such threatening 'friends'
anywhere else on this globe.
The terrorists don't want us - honey - they want you. And they might also
'go for' whoever helps you in your wars and arms building.
--
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BUSH for lawn ornament
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Steven Litvintchouk
Karen Gordon wrote:
>
> "Hawkeye" <pos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke and your
> >> country is becoming one Sick Joke.
>
> "Dan" (sabot...@hot.rr.com) writes:
> > when Canadians get the right to vote in American elections, and your
> > monopoly money is worth something, get back to us.
>
> (K): Nope. As long as you insist on killing our troops during your wars,
> telling us what to do with our resources, our laws, and our advertising,
> we'll get right into all your business. We don't want more of your
> American influence in our country - we want less.
Then GET OUT OF NATO and stop being a passenger carried by all the other
NATO nations including the U.S.
Become one of the non-aligned nations like the Third World country you
truly are.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
Steven Litvintchouk
Karen Gordon wrote:
>
> Hawkeye wrote:
> >> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke and your
> >> country is becoming one
>
> Steven Litvintchouk (sdli...@earthlink.net) writes:
> > Yes, you Canadians are far too "sophisticated" to believe in national
> > defense.
> >
> > You've created a pacifist country with no military, which is likely to
> > repeat the glorious examples from WW2 of Norway, Holland, and Belgium,
> > all of whom disappeared into the Nazi maw while clinging to the illusion
> > of appeasement.
> >
> > In case terrorists ever threaten Canada, don't come asking America for
> > help. Handle it yourselves. You're on your own from now on, honey.
>
> (K): The only dangerous country Canada can envision intimidating,
> boycotting, encroaching on sovereign territory, or invading - is the
> United States of America. We have no other such threatening 'friends'
> anywhere else on this globe.
"We"?
Who the hell elected YOU to represent Canada? From what I've seen botb
on this NG and elsewhere, yours is as much a minority view in Canada as
Ramsey Clark's views are in the U.S.
You represent NO ONE but yourself. And you don't even do that
particularly well.
>
> The terrorists don't want us - honey - they want you.
Muslim terrorists transit thru your country all the time, as RCMP is
well aware.
If the U.S. manages to stop them at our border, then they'll just stay
in your country. I'll bet they're not going to be content to be
tourists.
Who
Steven Litvintchouk wrote:
She sure as hell does not represent this Canadian or anyone i know for that matter.
Marilyn
> Karen Gordon wrote:
> >
> > Hawkeye wrote:
> > >> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke and your
> > >> country is becoming one
> >
> > Steven Litvintchouk (sdli...@earthlink.net) writes:
> > > Yes, you Canadians are far too "sophisticated" to believe in national
> > > defense.
> > >
> > > You've created a pacifist country with no military, which is likely to
> > > repeat the glorious examples from WW2 of Norway, Holland, and Belgium,
> > > all of whom disappeared into the Nazi maw while clinging to the illusion
> > > of appeasement.
> > >
> > > In case terrorists ever threaten Canada, don't come asking America for
> > > help. Handle it yourselves. You're on your own from now on, honey.
> >
> > (K): The only dangerous country Canada can envision intimidating,
> > boycotting, encroaching on sovereign territory, or invading - is the
> > United States of America. We have no other such threatening 'friends'
> > anywhere else on this globe.
>
> "We"?
> Who the hell elected YOU to represent Canada? From what I've seen botb
> on this NG and elsewhere, yours is as much a minority view in Canada as
> Ramsey Clark's views are in the U.S.
Erik Trammel doesn't count as a Canadian, he is
an aberration.
>
>
> You represent NO ONE but yourself. And you don't even do that
> particularly well.
>
> >
> > The terrorists don't want us - honey - they want you.
>
> Muslim terrorists transit thru your country all the time, as RCMP is
> well aware.
Correction ONE MUSLIM TERRORIST took the ferry
from Victoria to Port Angeles. Based on a tip from
Victoria, the Port Angeles border guards searched
Rassad (sic?) and his car. He ran and was caught
by a female US border guard. This was 1999.
Name another Muslim, proven terrorist wandering
through Canada, please.
> If the U.S. manages to stop them at our border, then they'll just stay
> in your country. I'll bet they're not going to be content to be
> tourists.
We have CISIS a federal security force to watch out for
terrorists as well as the RCMP. We have increased
security at Immigration.
So far we have not found it necessary to
repeal our Bill of Rights in order to feel safe.
MW
>
>
>
Bullock
> Get back to us when you realize it's not a one-way street, American.
Hey Bitch;
*Do you use a hair dryer and whine about nuclear power?
*Do you complain about the seal hunt and wear leather boots?
Are you a vegitarian that eats fish?
*Do you slam the Americans and enjoy everything that that they have brought
the world?
*Would you have been one of the first to die in the Saddam regime because of
your foolhardyness?
If you have answered "yes" to four out of four of the above questions then
enjoy your freedom and we will remeber who provided it for you if you're too
stupid to do so yourself you hypocritical Cretin.
Hawkeye
Our Health is universal -- everyone who needs help gets it
We are a diverse society with NONE of the racial problems of the uSSa
Our military is used for PEACE KEEPING not war making
WE are an example to the world of a progressive democracy ---- in the great
uSSa the last thing you are is a democracy
"Karen Gordon" <ar...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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> Hawkeye wrote:
> >>>> >> In Canada this whole scene was out of Hollywood ---- he is a joke
> >>>> >> and your country is becoming one
>
> Steven Litvintchouk (sdli...@earthlink.net) writes:
> >>>> > Yes, you Canadians are far too "sophisticated" to believe in
national
> >>>> > defense.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > You've created a pacifist country with no military, which is likely
to
> >>>> > repeat the glorious examples from WW2 of Norway, Holland, and
Belgium,
> >>>> > all of whom disappeared into the Nazi maw while clinging to the
illusion
> >>>> > of appeasement.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In case terrorists ever threaten Canada, don't come asking America
for
> >>>> > help. Handle it yourselves. You're on your own from now on,
honey.
>
> Karen Gordon wrote:
> >>>> (K): The only dangerous country Canada can envision intimidating,
> >>>> boycotting, encroaching on sovereign territory, or invading - is the
> >>>> United States of America. We have no other such threatening
'friends'
> >>>> anywhere else on this globe.
> >>>> The terrorists don't want us - honey - they want you.
>
> Steven Litvintchouk (sdli...@earthlink.net) writes:
> >>> "We"?
> >>> Who the hell elected YOU to represent Canada? From what I've seen
botb
> >>> on this NG and elsewhere, yours is as much a minority view in Canada
as
> >>> Ramsey Clark's views are in the U.S.
> >>> You represent NO ONE but yourself. And you don't even do that
> >>> particularly well.
> >>
> >>(K): "We" are the majority of Canadians. You really hate that, don't
you?
> >>That the MAJORITY of Canadians do not want closer ties to the U.S. and
do
> >>NOT want to ever be mistaken for Americans? Must be a real blow to your
> >>over-inflated egos.
>
> Robin (calg...@hotmail.com) writes:
> > Karen, it is bad enough that during the entire build-up to this war
> > you were so blatantly wrong in basically everything you said. Whats
> > worse now is not only do you fail to have the decency to recind a word
> > but you insist on trying to mislead others into believing yours is a
> > view shared by someone other than you and a few deluded left-wing
> > radicals in this Country..
>
> (K): Sorry you think that. Maybe you would be wiser to re-read the
> articles that you are so intent on erasing.... and the Canadian polls
> which tell us that one of the worst things that Canadians feel can
> happen to them is to be mistaken for an American.
>
> And the invasion of Iraq proved those who are pacifists - and likely
> further left - were correct..... there were no weapons of mass destruction
> in Iraq, the OIL is what Dumbya was after, and that he is still a moron.
TPubWbGm
he done something about Cuba, Libya, and all the rest.
as far as antiwar? It is antiwar but more than that it is about not
honoring UN charters and that the Might Makes Right stance is making us
Exactly what the other Countries are saying we are. America is Not the
worlds watchdog or moral compass and it is High time we realized that.
I can imagine how happy he is to find the cache of chemical weapons
there to Justify his personal Vendetta. (did you happen to know right
now in Southern Indiana there is a similar cache set to be destroyed
later this year or maybe next I forget the details) Hmmm we have
chemical weapons, but haven't used them, they have them and they have
used them, so because they have used them, regardless that to Have them
is Violating International Law, makes us better.
I AM NOT Anti America but hearing the cries of foul when some of their
troops dressed as civilians and then attacked the forces, makes me think
How Hypocritical we are if you remember the Boston Tea Party when we
dressed as Native Americans and Dumped the tea in the harbor, but that
was a fight for freedom so therefore all right? Hmmm...Terrorist or
Freedom Fighter, Guess it depends on who wins the war and writes the
history books doesn't it.
And finally if it wasn't about the Oil, and do NOT give me the bullshit
about environmental impact when the environmental restrictions have been
set back to a much loser standard by this Very administration, was so
much interest and emphasis set in the very beginning to protect the oil
fields. People should be the priority not the oil. In this case the
people were the easiest excuse to try to justify his personal vendetta.
Stacey
>
> And the invasion of Iraq proved those who are pacifists - and likely
> further left - were correct..... there were no weapons of mass destruction
> in Iraq, the OIL is what Dumbya was after, and that he is still a moron.
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> BUSH for lawn ornament
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
AMERICA LOVE IT OUR LEAVE IT!@!@!
MY LOVE IS FIGHTING FOR YOUR WORTHLESS ASS!!!!!!
---------
My AOL Home Page
http://www.members.aol.com/crazy4asoldier
Bill
>
> Karen Gordon wrote:
> >> And the invasion of Iraq proved those who are pacifists - and likely
> >> further left - were correct..... there were no weapons of mass destruction
> >> in Iraq, the OIL is what Dumbya was after, and that he is still a moron.
>
> >
> > AMERICA LOVE IT OUR LEAVE IT!@!@!
> >
> > MY LOVE IS FIGHTING FOR YOUR WORTHLESS ASS!!!!!!
>
> More likely your "love" if fighting for the oil that will be used to fuel
> SUVs between your pizza parlours and your movie houses.
> --
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> BUSH for lawn ornament
>
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fuck all you coward faggots. Let's sit back and love and butthole each
other and sing and chant peace & love songs and happily bumble through
life
thinking the whole world is a fairy tale. Not everyone in the world
wants
peace and cooperation. There is always someone... somewhere that wants
what
you have and will take it at any cost (ie: the bully on the block). I
hope
you're not my neighbor when the bully comes to our neighborhood. I will
defend what is mine and I will defend my neighbors, but I WILL NOT
defend
the cowards who preached peace and love and are now retreating with
their
tales between their legs... looking out for only their own asses!
- a proud American
john_m...@eatshit.com
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> Karen Gordon wrote:
> >> >> And the invasion of Iraq proved those who are pacifists - and likely
> >> >> further left - were correct..... there were no weapons of mass
> >> >> destruction
> >> >> in Iraq, the OIL is what Dumbya was after, and that he is still a
> >> >> moron.
>
> Stacey (crazy4a...@aol.com) writes:
> >> > AMERICA LOVE IT OUR LEAVE IT!@!@!
> >> >
> >> > MY LOVE IS FIGHTING FOR YOUR WORTHLESS ASS!!!!!!
>
> Karen Gordon wrote:
> >> (K): Not very likely. My 'worthless ass' was never threatened by Iraq.
> >> More likely your "love" if fighting for the oil that will be used to
> >> fuel
> >> SUVs between your pizza parlours and your movie houses.
>
> Bill (Bill...@prodigy.net) writes:
> > fuck all you coward faggots. Let's sit back and love and butthole each
> > other and sing and chant peace & love songs and happily bumble through
> > life thinking the whole world is a fairy tale. Not everyone in the
> > world
> > wants peace and cooperation. There is always someone... somewhere that
> > wants what you have and will take it at any cost (ie: the bully on the
> > block). I hope you're not my neighbor when the bully comes to our
> > neighborhood. I will defend what is mine and I will defend my
> > neighbors, but I WILL NOT defend the cowards who preached peace and love
> > and are now retreating with their tales between their legs... looking
> > out for only their own asses!
> > - a proud American
>
> (K): Thankyou for displaying what we mean by a stupid American. Iraq was
> not threatening to take anything away from the U.S. It was going about
> its own business, not troubling any other country.... something you
> Americans would not know about.
>
> If you're such a great defender of the U.S. and of your ass-ets, how come
> you're not overseas on the deserts of Iraq? More comfortable near the TV
> and the fridge? (PS: 'tails', not tales).
> - a smarter Canadian
> --
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> BUSH for lawn ornament
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Repugs have finally found someone that looks as stupid and out-of-place
in a military uniform as the Dems did with Dukakis' little tank stunt back
in '88.
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UncleStoner
>
> Our Health is universal -- everyone who needs help gets it
You don't spend as high a percentage of your GDP on the military. Of
course, you can look at that as proof that America is warmongering.
But you can't just ignore the fact that Canada benefits from the high
military expenditure of the US. If you were attacked by another
country, we would crush them on your behalf. Knowing this, you are
free to adopt your sacrosanct attitude. Without us, you would be
speaking Russian right now...and that's not hyperbole. If we were
attacked by another country, you would be of very little use to us I'm
afraid.
In addition, a disproportionate number of medical advances come out of
the non-socialized health care system of the US. I'm not berating
Canada for being more socialist that the US - it's a perfectly valid
choice, and one I have a great deal of sympathy for. However, it has
its drawbacks.
Canada (and many European countries) are like meat-eaters who won't
kill animals. It's utterly hypocritical. In your fancy little world,
murderous enemies can be reasonsed with. In reality, they must be
bullied, intimidated, and if necessary bombed.
> We are a diverse society with NONE of the racial problems of the uSSa
Unfortunately, parts of America have a history of Slavery. This was
an institution that we inherited from the European colonial powers,
and that eventual (after far too long) we got rid of. In the American
Civil War, a significant percentage of white northerners died to free
blacks. Whites in America have nothing to be ashamed of...to the
contrary. There are far more white Americans whose ancestors went to
war to free the slaves, than white Americans whose ancestors held
slaves. You can stop spouting your high-school level politically
correct claptrap now.
> Our military is used for PEACE KEEPING not war making
Is that kind of like the UN peacekeeping that failed to prevent the
genocide of - oh, about a million people - in Rwanda? Militaries are
for war, silly rabbit. Certainly Canada has a proud military history,
it fought with extraordinary valor in the World Wars. But it would
have been super neat-o if we had all gotten together and bombed
Germany in 1937 or so, thereby avoiding all the American, Canadian,
Russian, British, French, etc deaths. Pacifism is stupid.
> WE are an example to the world of a progressive democracy ---- in the great
> uSSa the last thing you are is a democracy
Whose arrogant now? Who thinks their system is inherently superior
now?
Mind you, I have major problems with America, my country. I am
totally against the current neoconservative trend, was against the war
in Iraq, and am against the occupation of Iraq. Certainly I wonder
were the alleged WMD are! However, your points simply aren't valid.
Steve
>> Canada is rated the number one country in the world by the UN
>>
>> Our Health is universal -- everyone who needs help gets it
>
> You don't spend as high a percentage of your GDP on the military.
By choice. Where is the threat?
> Of course, you can look at that as proof that America is warmongering.
> But you can't just ignore the fact that Canada benefits from the high
> military expenditure of the US.
Not any more. It now represents a net risk to Canada's security. This is
because the US exercises the option to employ force rather than listen to
people.....thus attracting terrorist reprisals...and creating MORE risk for
Americans and Canada.
The US, in increasing its defense budget, is actually INCREASING that risk
becasue now it is more likely than ever to not listen to people already
made angry by its last attack on their homeland or its last CIA covert op
against their governments.
> If you were attacked by another
> country, we would crush them on your behalf.
1914 and 1939 say otherwise......When Canada went to war....the US sat on
its hands in both cases - for years.
> Knowing this, you are
> free to adopt your sacrosanct attitude.
I'm sure you meant 'sanctimonious'.
> Without us, you would be
> speaking Russian right now...and that's not hyperbole. If we were
> attacked by another country, you would be of very little use to us I'm
> afraid.
If the Russians had invaded Caanda, the US would have stopped them simply
because it would have been in the US interest to do so.
What Canada did or did not do would be irrelevant......
The US military does not have be the size it is unless the US plans to
impose its will on other countries militarily. No other country has such a
policy in place.....and the military to back it. The forces in place and
the spending on them speaks for itself - on both sides of that argument.
I'd rather have universal health care.....
So...who is the threat to peace? Would it not be the country that - as a
matter of policy - thinks it needs an army that can invade another country
with impunity?
--
Steve
--
President Bush's legitimate power ends at the US territorial 12 mile limit.
Beyond that point, he is just another unelected dictator imposing his will,
through force of arms, on people who didn't - and can't - vote for him. If
he wants to lead the world, he must also be accountable to it.
UncleStoner
> UncleStoner allegedly said:
>
> >> Canada is rated the number one country in the world by the UN
> >>
> >> Our Health is universal -- everyone who needs help gets it
> >
> > You don't spend as high a percentage of your GDP on the military.
>
> By choice. Where is the threat?
The world is a terribly dangerous place, and threats abound. Let us
take just one example out of dozens: North Korea has nuclear weapons.
Let us say there was no United States of America. How would you as a
Canadian (I'm assuming here) like to deal with a nuclear North Korea,
without a nuclear US to your south? And how many other nations either
run by dictators or with cultures very different from ours would have
the ability to destroy the population centers of Canada with nuclear
weapons, if the US did not have an intimidating military presence
around the globe? You are comparing the current situation (which is
indeed troubling, with the US acting foolishly) with some ideal
situation that is simply unrealistic. You should compare the current
situation with the realistic non-US alternative.
> Not any more. It now represents a net risk to Canada's security. This is
> because the US exercises the option to employ force rather than listen to
> people.....thus attracting terrorist reprisals...and creating MORE risk for
> Americans and Canada.
>
> The US, in increasing its defense budget, is actually INCREASING that risk
> becasue now it is more likely than ever to not listen to people already
> made angry by its last attack on their homeland or its last CIA covert op
> against their governments.
I certanly agree that the US needs to change its foreign policy
approach. But it's a bit unfair to expect the US to change from a
Cold War stance to a "new world order" stance overnight, or even in
ten to fifteen years.
And if people have a problem with US Cold War tactics, I have zero
sympathy for them. We fought to win, and it worked.
> > If you were attacked by another
> > country, we would crush them on your behalf.
>
> 1914 and 1939 say otherwise......When Canada went to war....the US sat on
> its hands in both cases - for years.
Sorry, was Canada attacked in 1914 or 1939?
I recognized in my previous post the valor with which Canadians fought
in WWII, certainly you sustained higher casualty rates than the US.
But, Japan and Germany in WWII were crushed by the US (and others),
not Canada. Not because we are braver or smarter than you, but
because we are bigger (demographically and industrially). Yes, yes,
yes, the US was involved in WWI only minimally in terms of time (1
year) or causualties. But we all know that it was the prospect of
American involvement that brought Germany to the table, and ended the
slaughter for Britain, France, Canada, and everyone else.
> If the Russians had invaded Caanda, the US would have stopped them simply
> because it would have been in the US interest to do so.
Yes. What is your point? It doesn't change the fact that the US
protects Canada, but Canada is not capable of protected the US. What
our motivations are isn't important.
> The US military does not have be the size it is unless the US plans to
> impose its will on other countries militarily. No other country has such a
> policy in place.....and the military to back it. The forces in place and
> the spending on them speaks for itself - on both sides of that argument.
Don't mistake the fact that other countries are powerless compared to
the US with the idea that they have more humanist attitudes. If
Russia, or Iran, or North Korea were the hyperpowers, what would they
do? This kind of question suggests that the best alternative is a
balance of power in which there are no hyperpowers. But is that
realistic?
> So...who is the threat to peace? Would it not be the country that - as a
> matter of policy - thinks it needs an army that can invade another country
> with impunity?
The current policies of the US are very unwise and threaten world
peace, yes.