6 years of lying finally pay off
MFOgilvie
accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
even the most well-intentioned people can be swayed to do wrong things
at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
immature leftist concept.
Keep in mind, though...this only means you won. It doesn't mean you're
right, because you're not. That hasn't changed. Liberalism still
doesn't represent anything good, moral, or decent. Liberalism is still
the epitome of evil and filth, as are all of its devotees. Liberalism
will never present anything good for America. Liberalism has never
done anything good for America. Conservatives are still better than
liberals, and that will never change. Conservatives are still the only
people who have America's best interests at heart, not liberals.
Pelosi's comment early this morning was quite telling, much like Tip
O'Neill's comment after the 1986 elections. When it was apparent the
democrats had retaken the Senate in 1986, Tip said, "This is a great
day for the Democrat party." Today, Pelosi said, "We are on the verge
of a great Democrat victory." Words mean things, people. Nothing
about America; they are focused only on their party's success. Says a
lot about their priorities, and it's obvious America isn't included.
And don't think for one minute we're going away. Of course I'm
disappointed, but that will be short-lived. Conservatives are the ones
fighting the good fight, so don't delude yourselves into thinking that
this is over, because it isn't. And personally, I plan on outliving
all of you.
vkar...@yahoo.com
MFOgilvie wrote:
> Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> WMD's...
>
I guess this guy thinks that when Powell made his notorious
Goebbels-like speech to the UN about Iraq, he was acting on the secret
orders from Democrats....
>
> you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> about the level of education or common sense of some Americans
>
Are you looking in the mirror?
655,000 human beings dead in Iraq and counting...
MFOgilvie
vkarla...@yahoo.com wrote:
> MFOgilvie wrote:
> > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > WMD's...
> >
>
> I guess this guy thinks that when Powell made his notorious
> Goebbels-like speech to the UN about Iraq, he was acting on the secret
> orders from Democrats....
What does Powell have to do with what I wrote, besodes nothing?
>
> >
> > you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> > about the level of education or common sense of some Americans
> >
>
> Are you looking in the mirror?
Hardly, I did the right thing. I voted Republican.
Again, what does this have to do with what I wrote, besides nothing?
spar...@my-deja.com
[--sour grapes--]
Sour grapes makes for a bitter whine.
Kurt Lochner
>
>Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> accomplices in the liberal media,
Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
Noise Machine" for too long..
>you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
>lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
>Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
>you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
>truth,
Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
>Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
>some Americans, but[..]
Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms..
>Too bad you couldn't actually run on an actual agenda.
*>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic LIAR, UglyLies..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
Democrats Promise Broad New Agenda
Now in Control, They Plan to Challenge Bush
By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 6:50 AM
Democrats vowed to press a broad agenda of legislative change
and to confront President Bush on issues such as the war in Iraq
after seizing control of the House last night following 12 years
of Republican rule.
Victories from New Hampshire to Arizona marked a rebuke to Bush
and a House Republican majority that has served as a firewall
for the White House's agenda. Republicans lost three seats in
reliably Republican Indiana and a bellwether seat in Kentucky,
and they suffered huge losses in Pennsylvania.
--You're delusional lies say a great deal about your insecure beliefs..
GuitarMan
"MFOgilvie" <matthew....@lmco.com> wrote in message
news:1162990340.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Well, you liberals finally pulled it off.
Yeeha!
you're correct... 6 years of the Republican lies have finally woke people up
and paid off...
ted...@excite.com
And so it begins. The blame thrown on everyone else except those who
were actually to blame.
"It was the liberal media! It was stupid voters! WAAAAAH! WAAAAAH!"
Sorry, but the Republicans have only one place to lay the blame - at
their own feet. The so-called conservative party was in no way
conservative when they got the power. They grew the government, grew
the deficit, made government more intrusive, eroded civil liberties.
Add all that to a poorly managed "war" that was started on, at best
mistaken premise, at worst flat out lies, and there really wasn't any
other way this election could go.
Another thing that cost the Republicans was the ridiculous hyperbole
toward the end of the campaigns. "Vote Democrat, and we'll all be
speaking arabic and worshipping Allah!" Please. I remember Limbaugh
during the 94 midterms talking about how democrats turn every issue
into a crisis in order to win. This year, we learned that republicans
are no better.
Many citizens were insulted by the way the right talked down to us in
this election.
The republicans were conservative in only one area - taxes. And here,
only on income taxes. Taxes in other areas were increased. My internet
phone is a good example.
Will things be better under a Democrat congress? Well, yes. But only so
long as they don't have a Democrat President to cowtow to. Gridlock is
good, since neither major party has any real answers. Gridlock served
us well during the Clinton years.
Here's a hint to both parties if they want power in congress. Lower our
taxes. Stay out of our lives. Neither can seem to do both at once. God,
I yearn for a TRUE conservative party.
MFOgilvie
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> >
> >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > accomplices in the liberal media,
>
> Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> Noise Machine" for too long.
Kurt, try another tactic. This one was disproven a long time ago.
>
> >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
>
> And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
Darned shame.
>
> >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
>
> Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
Liberals did all the lying. End of discussion.
>
> >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> >truth,
>
> Which, we were,
No you weren't, and you know it.
>
> >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> >some Americans, but[..]
>
> Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
Your incessant lies convinced people to vote against Bush. Call it
what you want, I'll call it what it is.
>
> >Too bad you couldn't actually run on an actual agenda.
>
> *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic LIAR, UglyLies..
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
>
> Democrats Promise Broad New Agenda
> Now in Control, They Plan to Challenge Bush
>
> By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
> Washington Post Staff Writers
> Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 6:50 AM
>
> Democrats vowed to press a broad agenda of legislative change
> and to confront President Bush on issues such as the war in Iraq
> after seizing control of the House last night following 12 years
> of Republican rule.
>
> Victories from New Hampshire to Arizona marked a rebuke to Bush
> and a House Republican majority that has served as a firewall
> for the White House's agenda. Republicans lost three seats in
> reliably Republican Indiana and a bellwether seat in Kentucky,
> and they suffered huge losses in Pennsylvania.
Thank you, you just proved my point.
MFOgilvie
Oh, I'm not arguing that part. But to state that the liberals'
incessant lying about anything and everything Bush has done since he
was first elected didn't play a part in yesterday is simply silly. And
for the record, the war was not started on lies. I'm really getting
tired of that one.
ted...@excite.com
BOTH sides lied their asses off throughout the entire camaign. One
needs only look at the "sex phone line call" ad to see that.
Whether or not the Iraq invasion was based on lies, well the jury is
still very much out on that one.
Mitchell Holman
news:1162990340.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
> even the most well-intentioned people can be swayed to do wrong things
> at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
> couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
> what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
> immature leftist concept.
>
What a crybaby.
You guys had TOTAL control of government for
six years, and what did you do with it? You turned
surpluses into deficits, let lobbiests write laws,
ruined the military, destroyed our good will abroad,
started a quagmire war even you cannot find a way
out of, and even now are incapable of admitting one
thing you did wrong.
You had your chance and YOU blew it.
Not the "liberal media", not the public,
not the French - YOU.
Would it kill you to admit at least SOME
fault?
Apparently so...................
unklbob
On Nov 8, 7:52 am, "MFOgilvie" <matthew.f.ogil...@lmco.com> wrote:
Snip all the crybaby nonsense.
Boo fuckin hoo.
MFOgilvie
Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "MFOgilvie" <matthew....@lmco.com> wrote in
> news:1162990340.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> > about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
> > even the most well-intentioned people can be swayed to do wrong things
> > at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
> > couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
> > what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
> > immature leftist concept.
> >
>
> What a crybaby.
>
> You guys had TOTAL control of government for
> six years, and what did you do with it? You turned
> surpluses into deficits, let lobbiests write laws,
> ruined the military, destroyed our good will abroad,
> started a quagmire war even you cannot find a way
> out of, and even now are incapable of admitting one
> thing you did wrong.
Probably because none of what you just said actually happened. Care to
try again?
vkar...@yahoo.com
MFOgilvie wrote:
> vkarla...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > MFOgilvie wrote:
> > > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > > WMD's...
> > >
> >
> > I guess this guy thinks that when Powell made his notorious
> > Goebbels-like speech to the UN about Iraq, he was acting on the secret
> > orders from Democrats....
>
> What does Powell have to do with what I wrote, besodes nothing?
>
You are very dumb. It was Powell who lied about Iraq's WMDs and Al
Qaeda ties. Powell did so on the order from his fellow Republican
bosses Cheney and Bush. Ergo, it is Republicans who lie about Iraq, not
Democrats. It is Republicans who gor us into this mess. It is the
Republicans who have wasted $trillions on this disaster, paving way for
the impending economic collapse. It is Republicans who are responsible
for the deaths of some 3 thousand American soldiers for the sake of
Exxon and Halliburton. It is the Republicans who have destroyed the
law and order in Iraq, turned it into an Al Qaeda base, and caused some
655,000 deaths in the insane Iraqi civil battles that ensued.
Do you begin to see the connection?
> > >
> > > you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> > > about the level of education or common sense of some Americans
> >
> > Are you looking in the mirror?
>
> Hardly, I did the right thing. I voted Republican.
>
Doesn't say much about your level of education or common sense.
MFOgilvie
unklbob wrote:
> On Nov 8, 7:52 am, "MFOgilvie" <matthew.f.ogil...@lmco.com> wrote:
>
> Snip all the crybaby nonsense.
Thank you for proving my point.
Amanda Williams
news:1162990340.7...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......
Cry me a river OGGLETURD, besides you and your ilk NEVER had power (and
never will) so you had NOTHING to loose...
<snicker>
--
AW
<small but dangerous>
MFOgilvie
THIS is the best you can do? Wait a minute, what am I saying? This IS
the best you can do.
vkar...@yahoo.com
vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> MFOgilvie wrote:
> > vkarla...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > MFOgilvie wrote:
> > > > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > > > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > > > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > > > WMD's...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess this guy thinks that when Powell made his notorious
> > > Goebbels-like speech to the UN about Iraq, he was acting on the secret
> > > orders from Democrats....
> >
> > What does Powell have to do with what I wrote, besodes nothing?
> >
>
> You are very dumb. It was Powell who lied about Iraq's WMDs and Al
> Qaeda ties. Powell did so on the order from his fellow Republican
> bosses Cheney and Bush. Ergo, it is Republicans who lie about Iraq, not
> Democrats. It is Republicans who gor us into this mess. It is the
> Republicans who have wasted $trillions on this disaster, paving way for
> the impending economic collapse. It is Republicans who are responsible
> for the deaths of some 3 thousand American soldiers for the sake of
> Exxon and Halliburton. It is the Republicans who have destroyed the
> law and order in Iraq, turned it into an Al Qaeda base, and caused some
> 655,000 deaths in the insane Iraqi civil battles that ensued.
>
> Do you begin to see the connection?
>
Mind you: being a Libertarian I always favored Republicans over
Democrats as a slightly lesser of the two evils. And I was initially in
favor of attacking Iraq. But on the day Powell impudently lied to me
and the rest of the World about the Saddam-Zarqawi connection, I swore
never to support a war that is based on lies and a Party that so
impudently lies to me and the whole World.
Plus the very sight of our fascist VP Cheney makes me sick to my
stomach.
za...@construction-imaging.com
But an expected comment from OGLEBUTT.
MFOgilvie
vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> MFOgilvie wrote:
> > vkarla...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > MFOgilvie wrote:
> > > > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > > > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > > > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > > > WMD's...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess this guy thinks that when Powell made his notorious
> > > Goebbels-like speech to the UN about Iraq, he was acting on the secret
> > > orders from Democrats....
> >
> > What does Powell have to do with what I wrote, besodes nothing?
> >
>
> You are very dumb. It was Powell who lied about Iraq's WMDs and Al
> Qaeda ties. Powell did so on the order from his fellow Republican
> bosses Cheney and Bush. Ergo, it is Republicans who lie about Iraq, not
> Democrats. It is Republicans who gor us into this mess. It is the
> Republicans who have wasted $trillions on this disaster, paving way for
> the impending economic collapse. It is Republicans who are responsible
> for the deaths of some 3 thousand American soldiers for the sake of
> Exxon and Halliburton. It is the Republicans who have destroyed the
> law and order in Iraq, turned it into an Al Qaeda base, and caused some
> 655,000 deaths in the insane Iraqi civil battles that ensued.
>
> Do you begin to see the connection?
Everything you just said is simply not true, so there is no connection.
>
> > > >
> > > > you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> > > > about the level of education or common sense of some Americans
> > >
> > > Are you looking in the mirror?
> >
> > Hardly, I did the right thing. I voted Republican.
> >
>
> Doesn't say much about your level of education or common sense.
There are a lot of things about my common sense you could comment on
(my first choice of spouses is evidence of such), but how I voted
yesterday isn't one of them. Intelligent people who actually love
America would never vote for a liberal.
ted...@excite.com
either party. And many didn't.
Leftwinghank
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> >
> >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > accomplices in the liberal media,
>
> Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> Noise Machine" for too long..
No liberal media?
The media itself admits it is 95 percent liberal and votes
Democrat...many studies on this.
You remind me of the old soviet tactic that if you repeat a lie often
enough...it
will convince somebody.
Do a little research on what the media thinks about itself.
I always find it amazing how very blind and twisted a human mind can
get....
and you Kurt Lochner amaze me.
Ever since the Jews who control the mass media have lost
ground...they have infiltrated
the INTERNET as the new media to seek control again......it seems we
have found one here.
love
shalom
hank
...........................................................
Amanda Williams
GIGO
It feels good to be at one with the majority of the american people.
ted...@excite.com
>
> Mind you: being a Libertarian I always favored Republicans over
> Democrats as a slightly lesser of the two evils. And I was initially in
> favor of attacking Iraq. But on the day Powell impudently lied to me
> and the rest of the World about the Saddam-Zarqawi connection, I swore
> never to support a war that is based on lies and a Party that so
> impudently lies to me and the whole World.
>
> Plus the very sight of our fascist VP Cheney makes me sick to my
> stomach.
>
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call Cheney a fascist, but as a fellow
Libertarian, I have to agree in principle on most of your comments. In
general, Republicans have been the lesser of two evils, but more and
more the distinction has been shrinking to the point now that there
isn't enough difference between the two to matter. They're both equal
evils, only in different ways.
ted...@excite.com
And Fox News reporters are overwhelmingly conservative, yet republicans
insist they're "Fair and Balanced".
Someone can have a particular ideology, yet still report in an unbiased
way.
vkar...@yahoo.com
Why don't you read an old post of mine and then dare tell me that
Powell didn't lie. Ditto for the US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
Here it is:
////////////////////////
thereactionary wrote:
> vkar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > thereactionary wrote:
>
> Again you are a liar. Saddam murdered over 300,000 of his own people.
>
Didn't most of these 300,000 alleged and (yet-unproven!) murders happen
during the Iraq-Iran war, in which the USA was the staunch supporter
and sponsor of Saddam and cheered all his actions? As in ((from now
on, I am just quoting the first results that my google search
produces):
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.guardian.co.uk/analysis/story/0,3604,1265520,00.html
"The estimate of 300,000 Iraqis killed by the Ba'athists also includes
deaths for which the western powers arguably bear some responsibility.
According to the US state department, most of the graves discovered to
date correspond to five major atrocities committed by the Saddam
Hussein regime: the 1983 attack against Kurds of the Barzani tribe; the
1988 Anfal campaign against the Kurds, for which estimates of the
numbers killed vary from 50,000 to 180,000; chemical attacks against
Kurdish villages from 1986 to 1988; ... Saddam's brutal attacks on the
Kurds in the 1980s occurred as part of the Iran-Iraq war, during which
the Reagan administration supported and armed his regime. When that war
ended in 1988 Saddam sought to consolidate his rule at home; in the
Anfal campaign he sent forces to quell the Kurdish uprising in the
north (supported by the Iranians), again with US consent."
/////////////////////////////////
So, another US puppet is being a genocidist. What else is new?
That's how USA operates: it creates and sponsors genocidal monsters all
over the World and then gets really surprised and upset when these
monsters turn against their own creator. Doesn't anybody in the US
government know the story of Dr. Frankenstein?
Even Bin Laden himself was originally created, trained and funded by
the CIA for the purpose of terrorizing and murdering Russians in
Afghanistan. As in:
/////////////////////////////////
http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp
BIN LADEN'S BEGINNINGS
As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia
to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in
1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as the MAK
which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the
Afghan war.
What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify is that the MAK was
nurtured by Pakistan's state security services, the Inter-Services
Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting
the covert war against Moscow's occupation.
Yet the CIA ... found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans
were easier to "read" than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the
Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency
reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So
bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt,
Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the
Middle East, became the "reliable" partners of the CIA in its war
against Moscow...
Most of these Afghan vets turned up later behind violent Islamic
movements around the world...
/////////////////////////////////
In the 1990s and 2000s, after USA fell out of love with Saddam, Al
Qaeda, which has been Saddam's worst enemy, was welcomed into lands
that USA had wrestled from Saddam. For example, when USA effectively
liberated Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) from Saddam after the first Iraq
war and made it a no-fly zone for Saddam (so called "Northern No-Fly
Zone"), Al Qaeda was immediately invited by Kurds to establish
terrorist bases and chemical plants there in Ansar al-Islam. For
example:
/////////////////////////////////
www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000201.php
February 10, 2003
I went stumbling around Iraqi Kurdistan, the northern part of Iraq
outside Saddam's direct control....
The Ansar al-Islam enclave, according to Salih and American
intelligence officials, soon became the base of operations of an Al
Qaeda subgroup called Jund al-Shams... Jund al-Shams is controlled by a
man named Mussa'ab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi is believed by European
intelligence agencies to be Al Qaeda's main specialist in chemical and
biological terrorism...
American intelligence officials believe that Zarqawi was also among an
unknown number of Al Qaeda terrorists who have sought refuge in the
Ansar al-Islam over the past seventeen months.
/////////////////////////////////
and
/////////////////////////////////
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3483089.stm
Profile: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Kurdish connection
Zarqawi ... is believed to have fled to Iraq in 2001... US officials
argue that it was at al-Qaeda's behest that he moved to Iraq and
established links with Ansar al-Islam - a group of Kurdish Islamists
from the north of the country. He is thought to have remained with them
for a while - feeling at home in mountainous northern Iraq.
/////////////////////////////////
The American planes patrolled the Kurd airspace day and night in order
to protect their Kurd and Al Qaeda friends from their enemy Saddam.
>From the other side, Saddam's other deadly enemy, Iranian ayatollahs,
were also helping Zarqawi.
See: Americans, Zarqawi and the Iranian mullahs found something in
common: their hatred for Saddam.
Everywhere US goes, it brings its Al Qaeda friends along. Even long
after the 9-11 terror, USA's puppet regime of Pres. Shevardnadze in the
Rep. of Georgia arranged for Al Qaeda to bring huge amounts of a deadly
WMD (a potent poison called "ricin") into Georgia in order to poison
Russian civilians. Only when the Al Qaeda men were caught smuggling
ricin into France and England (to terrorize the Russian Embassy, as was
later discovered) did USA realise that Al Qaeda had double-crossed them
once again. As in:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901030120-407295-2,00.html
The al-Qaeda camps in Georgia's Pankisi Valley - which until a
Georgian security crackdown last year was a lawless haven of
guerrillas, drug dealers and kidnappers - specialize, says Jacquard,
in training recruits in the use of explosives and in basic chemical
terror, including the poisoning of water and food supplies... Material
evidence collected during the Romainville raids leaves little doubt
that the cell was planning an attack, French sources say. Subsequent
testimony indicated that the plot was to target the Russian Embassy in
Paris - to punish Russia for its poor treatment of the Chechens.
/////////////////////////////////
The most amazing thing is that USA then went to the UN and tried to
blame Saddam for the Al Qaeda camps and WMD plants in Georgia and
Kurdistan! That was the centerpiece of Powell's notorious UN speech
made to justify the invasion of Iraq. As in:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
UN Speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell
February 05, 2003
"But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially
much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist
network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and
modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network
headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama
bin Laden and his Al Qaida lieutenants.
When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped
establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this
camp is located in northeastern Iraq. You see a picture of this camp.
The network is teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other
poisons. Let me remind you how ricin works. Less than a pinch--image a
pinch of salt--less than a pinch of ricin, eating just this amount in
your food, would cause shock followed by circulatory failure. Death
comes within 72 hours and there is no antidote, there is no cure. It is
fatal.
Those helping to run this camp are Zarqawi lieutenants operating in
northern Kurdish areas outside Saddam Hussein's controlled Iraq.
As my colleagues around this table and as the citizens they represent
in Europe know, Zarqawi's terrorism is not confined to the Middle East.
Zarqawi and his network have plotted terrorist actions against
countries, including France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany and Russia.
We also know that Zarqawi's colleagues have been active in the Pankisi
Gorge, Georgia and in Chechnya, Russia. The plotting to which they are
linked is not mere chatter. Members of Zarqawi's network say their goal
was to kill Russians with toxins. "
/////////////////////////////////
And why does Powell blame Saddam and not his own buddies Kurds and
Georgians for sponsoring Zarqawi? Here is the only concrete and
semi-verifiable "damning evidence" against Saddam:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
"Zarqawi's activities are not confined to this small corner of north
east Iraq. He traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment,
staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to
fight another day."
/////////////////////////////////
This monster Zarqawi has been living and working for years with
America's best friends Kurds in 'northeast Iraq", but because he
stayed in a Baghdad hospital for 2 months in order to receive medical
treatment (because Kurd extremists don't have too many doctors),
Powell blames Saddam and not America's allies Kurds or Georgians! And
instead of
invading and bombing fellow Georgia and Kurdistan, USA invaded Saddam's
part of Iraq! Just because Iraqi doctors upheld their oath and
allegedly gave medical treatment to Al Zarqawi!
Powell even dares to say: "We are not surprised that Iraq is harboring
Zarqawi and his subordinates."
Formally, this is indeed true Yes, Iraq is indeed harboring Zarqawi.
But it is not Saddam's Iraq that's "harboring Zarqawi and his
subordinates". It is USA-protected Kurd puppets in "northeastern
Iraq" (as Powell admits himself!) who are "harboring Zarqawi and his
subordinates"!
For heaven's sake, do you think that your listeners don't have a map?
Northeastern Iraq is Kurd land. Saddam wasn't even allowed to fly his
planes over northeastern Iraq! As in:
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http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/ACRText/ACR-IraqK.html
"The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan [PUK] controls the eastern part of
the autonomous zone, while the western sector is controlled by the
Kurdistan Democratic Party. "... Kurdish leaders are adjusting
rapidly to the realities of post-Hussein politics. First, to maximize
their national influence, the PUK and the rival Kurdistan Democratic
Party (KDP) have renounced the differences that led to civil war in
their 17,000-square-mile enclave in the 1990s. The two groups now speak
with one voice, and they say they are preparing to merge the dual
administrations that rule separate sections of the Kurdish region in
northeastern Iraq... " [The Washington Post, August 12, 2003]
/////////////////////////////////
Didn't you yourself, Mr. Powell, just tell us about "Zarqawi
lieutenants operating in northern Kurdish areas outside Saddam
Hussein's controlled Iraq"?!!!
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
"We are not surprised that Iraq is harboring Zarqawi and his
subordinates."
/////////////////////////////////
Formally, this is indeed true. Indeed "Iraq is harboring Zarqawi and
his subordinates". But not Saddam's Iraq. Kurdish part of Iraq, Mr.
Secretary! You own best friends and allies!
Why do you think we are too stupid to notice?
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
"Iraqi officials protest that they are not aware of the whereabouts of
Zarqawi or of any of his associates. Again, these protests are not
credible. We know of Zarqawi's activities in Baghdad. I described them
earlier."
/////////////////////////////////
The only Zarqawi activity in Baghdad that you have described to us, Mr.
Secretary, was how he received medical treatment in Baghdad for two
months. So indeed, while Zarqawi was in some hospital, some Iraqi
doctors were aware of his whereabouts at that time. But he has long
since recovered and returned to Kurdistan. How can Saddam know
Zarqawi's whereabouts in Kurdistan, Mr. Powell? Only you and your Kurd
friends know exactly where Zarqawi is. Give CIA a call and ask them
where exactly they send the food, clothes and the chemicals for
Zarqawi's ricin manufacturing plant in Ansar al-Islam, Kurdistan.
Reader may ask: "there must have been more evidence in Powell's speech
than that about Saddam's and Al Qaeda' sinister plot to terrorize the
World? Oh sure there was. For example:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
Going back to the early and mid-1990s, when bin Laden was based in
Sudan, an Al Qaida source tells us that Saddam and bin Laden reached an
understanding that Al Qaida would no longer support activities against
Baghdad.
/////////////////////////////////
Yes, friends, Baghdad and Al Qaeda were so in love with each other that
Al Qaida used to conduct terrorist activities against Baghdad. That's
how much they were in love!
And then Saddam convinced Al Qaeda to no longer terrorize Baghdad. How
dare he!!!!! The fact that Al Qaeda and Baghdad reached a cease-fire
agreement and Al Qaeda stopped terrorizing Baghdad proves that Al Qaeda
and Baghdad have always been best friends and allies. :-)
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.stuffiveheard.com/archives/speeches/
Some believe, some claim these contacts do not amount to much. They say
Saddam Hussein's secular tyranny and Al Qaida's religious tyranny do
not mix. I am not comforted by this thought.
/////////////////////////////////
Tell us, honorable US Secretary of State, Sir, what thoughts ARE you
"comforted by"? Thoughts that your boss has just asked you to
impudently lie in the most widely seen, read, and listened speech in
World history? Aren't you ashamed of this Goebbels-like demagoguery and
prevarication? Of course you are! Rumor has it that you later resigned
specifically because you had been forced by our fearless and honorable
leader Dick "I usually don't shoot while drunk" Cheney into
making a lying cheating a**hole of yourself in front of 6 billion
people all over the World.
In fact, embarrassed by this impudent lying about Al Qaeda and Baghdad
"ricin connection", the right-wing establishment later had to invent
the story that, even though Zarqawi was indeed living and busily
working among America's allies in Kurdistan and Georgia, Powell had
also lied about the existence of ricin itself. Here is what the famous
right-wing Jamestown Foundation now says about this lying:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369023
"In the buildup to the Iraqi war in early 2003, dozens of North
Africans (mainly Algerians) were arrested in Britain, France and Spain
on charges of preparing ricin and other chemical weapons. Colin Powell
and others trumpeted the arrests as proof of the threat posed by the
Zarqawi-Chechen-Pankisi ricin network (which had now been expanded to
include the Ansar al-Islam of Kurdish northern Iraq).
French and British security officials were astounded by Powell's
insistence on February 12, 2003, that "the ricin that is bouncing
around Europe now originated in Iraq." With the Iraq invasion only
weeks away, the source of the ricin threat moved from Georgia to Iraq.
/////////////////////////////////
Even the most right-wing zealots make fun of Powell's speech. Yes,
fiends, let's rejoice in the honor and respect for America that our
Government evokes in people all over the World with such impudent and
obvious lies!
Amazing impudence. Amazing belief that average people are so dumb that
they will swallow any insult to human logic that the US government
shoves down their open throats.
Google has produced some 90,000 results for my searches on this
subject. Do you think I have been biasedly quoting only the mainstream
and the right wing? Here is one from the left wing:
/////////////////////////////////
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/comments.php?id=A1333_0_1_0_C
Northern Iraq was Zarqawi's stomping ground pre-invasion, as his gang,
which has close ties to Ansar al-Islam, was based in the Northern
No-Fly zone. Both Ansar al-Islam and Zarqawi flourished in northern
Iraq where they were protected from Saddam Hussein's regime by the US
and Britain.
/////////////////////////////////
And more from mainstream:
/////////////////////////////////
USA TODAY, February 6, 2003
On Wednesday, Secretary of State Colin Powell put Ansar and its base
here at the heart of the White House's case that al-Qaeda and Saddam
are connected. He said the link runs through Abu Musab Zarqawi, a bin
Laden lieutenant whom U.S. officials say Saddam is harboring. Zarqawi's
"network" is testing ricin and other poisons at an Ansarcamp here,
Powell said... The group's stronghold is in a hard-to-reach area along
the border with Iran in a pocket that, until 2001, was overseen by a
fledgling Kurdish administration... Powell acknowledged that Ansar's
base is in a part of Iraq that has been outside Saddam's control since
a Kurdish uprising in 1991.
/////////////////////////////////
Yes, Powell did sort of mention that Zarqawi's operations was out of
Saddam's control. But then he decided to blame Saddam for it anyway.
And he used this argument as "the heart of the White House's case that
al-Qaeda and Saddam are connected"!
Why? Because, according to Powell, he is "not comforted by" the fact
that Saddam has nothing to do with Zarqawi.
You see, truth doesn't comfort American leaders. Truth doesn't allow
them to do what Exxon wants them to do. Lies, libel, slander,
falsifications - that's what comforts them.
Impudent lies is what comforts American politicians and allows them to
get re-elected with the campaign contributions from Exxon and Lockheed,
which in turn steal this money from the average American taxpayers to
the tune of $500 billion just for Iraq alone. And thousands of
American boys are dying in the faraway god-forsaken hellhole called
"Iraq", where the entire population consists of Al Qaeda-loving
genocidal Shiites and Kurds, and Saddam-loving genocidal Sunnis!
Let me finish this Festival of Lies and Laughs by giving you a
hilarious Freudian example of what idiots our Government takes American
voters and taxpayers for. Here is what our Attorney General told the
American people last month (with a straight face!), when asked by
people's representatives why the Administration is so fond of illegal
spying on its own people:
/////////////////////////////////
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=1609248
US Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, testifying to Senate:
" I, I gave in my opening statement, Senator, examples where President
Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President Roosevelt
have all authorized electronic surveillance of an enemy on a far
broader scale."
/////////////////////////////////
Ain't it coll?
I wonder how "Honest Abe" Lincoln and George "I cannot tell a lie"
Washington would react if they heard what our Attorney General said
about them; and how fast they were spinning in their graves during
Powell's speech. I bet our modern government officials send Washington,
Jefferson and Lincoln spinning so fast, that we can tie electric
generators to them and solve all our energy problems.
Mitchell Holman
news:1162992473.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
The voters thought differently, esp the former
Republicans who are now voting Democrat.
Or are all them "Hate America Liberals" as well,
Crybaby Matt?
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> > >
> > >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> >
> > Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> > reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> > Noise Machine" for too long.
>
I see your grasp of logic and critical thinking is again
at a new all-time low, such that you're again resorting
to false insinuations and negative claims that cannot
be supported..
But that's okay too, as you can serve as a reminder of why
the right-wing "neocancervatives" lost big time this election..
> > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> >
> > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
>
>Darned shame.
Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> >
> > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
>
>Liberals did all the lying[..]
Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > >truth,
> >
> > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
>
>No you weren't, [..]
*>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > >some Americans, but[..]
> >
> > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
>
>Your incessant lies[..]
Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> > >Too bad you couldn't actually run on an actual agenda.
> >
> > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic LIAR, UglyLies..
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
> >
> > Democrats Promise Broad New Agenda
> > Now in Control, They Plan to Challenge Bush
> >
> > By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
> > Washington Post Staff Writers
> > Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 6:50 AM
> >
> > Democrats vowed to press a broad agenda of legislative change
> > and to confront President Bush on issues such as the war in Iraq
> > after seizing control of the House last night following 12 years
> > of Republican rule.
> >
> > Victories from New Hampshire to Arizona marked a rebuke to Bush
> > and a House Republican majority that has served as a firewall
> > for the White House's agenda. Republicans lost three seats in
> > reliably Republican Indiana and a bellwether seat in Kentucky,
> > and they suffered huge losses in Pennsylvania.
>
>Thank you[..]
As you can see, your previous claim about "an actual agenda"
was again but the feeble attempt, on your behalf, to lie..
--Your delusional lies say a great deal about your insecure beliefs..
MFOgilvie
I hate to burst your little bubble here, but you have never been that.
MFOgilvie
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently at:
> >
> > Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> > >
> > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> > > >
> > > >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > >accomplices in the liberal media[..]
> > >
> > > Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> > > reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> > > Noise Machine" for too long.
> >
> >Kurt, try another tactic. This one was disproven[..]
>
> I see your grasp of logic and critical thinking is again
> at a new all-time low, such that you're again resorting
> to false insinuations and negative claims that cannot
> be supported..
selective editing again, eh? Typical liberal, can't win anything
without lying or cheating.
>
> But that's okay too, as you can serve as a reminder of why
> the right-wing "neocancervatives" lost big time this election..
>
> > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > >
> > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> >
> >Darned shame.
>
> Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
>
> > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > >
> > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> >
> >Liberals did all the lying[..]
>
> Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT based on
lies by Bush. These are the facts. Now, go ahead and do your
selective editing again, little boy.
>
> > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > >truth,
> > >
> > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> >
> >No you weren't, [..]
>
> *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
>
> > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > >
> > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> >
> >Your incessant lies[..]
>
> Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
Prove it.
>
> > > >Too bad you couldn't actually run on an actual agenda.
> > >
> > > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic LIAR, UglyLies..
> > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
> > >
> > > Democrats Promise Broad New Agenda
> > > Now in Control, They Plan to Challenge Bush
> > >
> > > By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
> > > Washington Post Staff Writers
> > > Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 6:50 AM
> > >
> > > Democrats vowed to press a broad agenda of legislative change
> > > and to confront President Bush on issues such as the war in Iraq
> > > after seizing control of the House last night following 12 years
> > > of Republican rule.
> > >
> > > Victories from New Hampshire to Arizona marked a rebuke to Bush
> > > and a House Republican majority that has served as a firewall
> > > for the White House's agenda. Republicans lost three seats in
> > > reliably Republican Indiana and a bellwether seat in Kentucky,
> > > and they suffered huge losses in Pennsylvania.
> >
> >Thank you[..]
>
> As you can see, your previous claim about "an actual agenda"
> was again but the feeble attempt, on your behalf, to lie..
>
> --Your delusional lies say a great deal about your insecure beliefs..
Again, thank you for proving my point. Liberals have no agenda, other
than hating President Bush.
MFOgilvie
Which proves my point, as far as I'm concerned. Sure, much of the
blame for yesterday can be laid at the feet of Hastert and Frist, and
Trent Lott before him, for kowtowing to the Schumers, Reids, and
Pelosi's when they should have had a backbone, not to mention
abandoning those who "brung them to the dance." But the incessant lies
by people like you and the pukes at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, not ot mention
the Schumers Reids and Pelosi's, certainly played a part in the
eventual outcome.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was again exploiting the pathology exhibited by:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently at:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> > > >
> > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > > >accomplices in the liberal media[..]
> > > >
> > > > Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> > > > reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> > > > Noise Machine" for too long.
> > >
> > >Kurt, try another tactic. This one was disproven[..]
> >
> > I see your grasp of logic and critical thinking is again
> > at a new all-time low, such that you're again resorting
> > to false insinuations and negative claims that cannot
> > be supported..
> >
> > the right-wing "neocancervatives" lost big time this election..
>
I see that you're again trying to bluster your way around the fact
that you resorted to lies, obfuscations and insinuations, when you
couldn't refute the facts.. And you 'selectively edited' my reply
to suit your jingoistic pabulum, too.. Too funny!
"Logic" just isn't your forte..
> > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > >
> > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > >
> > >Darned shame.
> >
> > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> >
> > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > >
> > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > >
> > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> >
> > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
>
>The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
>based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
*>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives..
And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > >truth,
> > > >
> > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > >
> > >No you weren't, [..]
> >
> > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> >
> > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > >
> > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > >
> > >Your incessant lies[..]
> >
> > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
>
>Prove it.
Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
'level of education or common sense' say something..
You won't of course..
> > > > >Too bad you couldn't actually run on an actual agenda.
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic LIAR, UglyLies..
> > > >
> > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
> > > >
> > > > Democrats Promise Broad New Agenda
> > > > Now in Control, They Plan to Challenge Bush
> > > >
> > > > By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
> > > > Washington Post Staff Writers
> > > > Wednesday, November 8, 2006; 6:50 AM
> > > >
> > > > Democrats vowed to press a broad agenda of legislative change
> > > > and to confront President Bush on issues such as the war in Iraq
> > > > after seizing control of the House last night following 12 years
> > > > of Republican rule.
> > > >
> > > > Victories from New Hampshire to Arizona marked a rebuke to Bush
> > > > and a House Republican majority that has served as a firewall
> > > > for the White House's agenda. Republicans lost three seats in
> > > > reliably Republican Indiana and a bellwether seat in Kentucky,
> > > > and they suffered huge losses in Pennsylvania.
> > >
> > >Thank you[..]
> >
> > As you can see, your previous claim about "an actual agenda"
> > was again but the feeble attempt, on your behalf, to lie..
> >
> > --Your delusional lies say a great deal about your insecure beliefs..
>
>Again, thank you for proving my point.
*>LOL!<* You're delusional..
>Liberals have no agenda, other than hating President Bush.
You're wrong. See above..
--http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800435.html
MFOgilvie
MFOgilvie wrote:
> Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
> at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
> couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
> what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
> immature leftist concept.
>
> right, because you're not. That hasn't changed. Liberalism still
> doesn't represent anything good, moral, or decent. Liberalism is still
> the epitome of evil and filth, as are all of its devotees. Liberalism
> will never present anything good for America. Liberalism has never
> done anything good for America. Conservatives are still better than
> liberals, and that will never change. Conservatives are still the only
> people who have America's best interests at heart, not liberals.
> Pelosi's comment early this morning was quite telling, much like Tip
> O'Neill's comment after the 1986 elections. When it was apparent the
> democrats had retaken the Senate in 1986, Tip said, "This is a great
> day for the Democrat party." Today, Pelosi said, "We are on the verge
> of a great Democrat victory." Words mean things, people. Nothing
> about America; they are focused only on their party's success. Says a
> lot about their priorities, and it's obvious America isn't included.
>
> And don't think for one minute we're going away. Of course I'm
> disappointed, but that will be short-lived. Conservatives are the ones
> fighting the good fight, so don't delude yourselves into thinking that
> this is over, because it isn't. And personally, I plan on outliving
> all of you.
Boy, can I troll or what? You stupid liberals are SOOOOOO damned easy.
Mitchell Holman
news:1162996461.0...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
LOL!
What a sore loser.
Get used to it, you have a lot more losses coming your way.
None of which will be your own fault, of course.
Nothing ever is..............
MFOgilvie
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled impotently at:
> >
> > Kurt Lochner was again exploiting the pathology exhibited by:
> > >
> > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently at:
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> > > > >
> > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > > > >accomplices in the liberal media[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> > > > > reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> > > > > Noise Machine" for too long.
> > > >
> > > >Kurt, try another tactic. This one was disproven[..]
> > >
> > > I see your grasp of logic and critical thinking is again
> > > at a new all-time low, such that you're again resorting
> > > to false insinuations and negative claims that cannot
> > > be supported..
> > >
> > > But that's okay too, as you can serve as a reminder of why
> > > the right-wing "neocancervatives" lost big time this election..
> >
> >selective editing again[..]
>
> I see that you're again trying to bluster your way around the fact
> that you resorted to lies, obfuscations and insinuations, when you
> couldn't refute the facts.. And you 'selectively edited' my reply
> to suit your jingoistic pabulum, too.. Too funny!
If you can do it, I can too. Gooses and ganders, you know...
>
> "Logic" just isn't your forte..
And truth isn't yours.
>
> > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > >
> > > >Darned shame.
> > >
> > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > >
> > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > >
> > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > >
> > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> >
> >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
>
> *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
It is true, and is only proves my point. Thank you for playing.
>
> And the Senate is still an open situation..
>
> > > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > > >truth,
> > > > >
> > > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > > >
> > > >No you weren't, [..]
> > >
> > > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > >
> > > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > > >
> > > >Your incessant lies[..]
> > >
> > > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> >
> >Prove it.
>
> Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> 'level of education or common sense' say something..
>
> You won't of course..
I don't have to. you're the one who said it's a negative claim. Now,
go for it.
the article merely proves my statement. Why is that so hard for you to
understand? Oh, wait a minute, I'm talking to a liberal. Never mind.
MFOgilvie
So where is the sore loser stuff you keep harping on? Whatsa matter,
still afraid of the truth?
>
> Get used to it, you have a lot more losses coming your way.
Time will tell.
>
> None of which will be your own fault, of course.
>
> Nothing ever is.
Well, since I think like real Americans are supposed to think, you are
exactly right. About damned time you saw at least a little bit of the
light.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner continued exploiting the pathology exhibited by:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled impotently at:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner was again exploiting the pathology exhibited by:
> > > >
> > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently at:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined impotently after the elections:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > > > > > >accomplices in the liberal media[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Non Sequitur, there is no "liberal media", and what "objective
> > > > > > reporting" there is has had to face your right-wing "Republican
> > > > > > Noise Machine" for too long.
> > > > >
> > > > >Kurt, try another tactic. This one was disproven[..]
> > > >
> > > > I see your grasp of logic and critical thinking is again
> > > > at a new all-time low, such that you're again resorting
> > > > to false insinuations and negative claims that cannot
> > > > be supported..
> > > >
> > > > But that's okay too, as you can serve as a reminder of why
> > > > the right-wing "neocancervatives" lost big time this election..
> > >
> > >selective editing again[..]
> >
> > I see that you're again trying to bluster your way around the fact
> > that you resorted to lies, obfuscations and insinuations, when you
> > couldn't refute the facts.. And you 'selectively edited' my reply
> > to suit your jingoistic pabulum, too.. Too funny!
>
Still trying for that 'slippery slope' pseudo-reasoning, Matty?
> > "Logic" just isn't your forte..
>
>And truth isn't yours.
Negative claim, unprovable on your behalf..
> > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > >
> > > > >Darned shame.
> > > >
> > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > >
> > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > >
> > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > >
> > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > >
> > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> >
> > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> >
> > And the Senate is still an open situation..
>
>It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > > > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > > > >truth,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > > > >
> > > > >No you weren't, [..]
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > > >
> > > > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > > > >
> > > > >Your incessant lies[..]
> > > >
> > > > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> > >
> > >Prove it.
> >
> > Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> > 'level of education or common sense' say something..
> >
> > You won't of course..
>
>I don't have to.
Yes, you do. Do I have to explain everything to you, or is
that how you avoid explaining the illogical premises and
insinuations your 'conclusions' rest upon, like a house of cards?
>you're the one who said it's a negative claim[..]
Yup, and you have yet to prove your "incessant lies" claim..
We'll wait while you get an adult to explain it to you again..
>the article merely proves my statement[..]
Nope, but thanks for again exhibiting your delusions for all to see..
--See subject header for details..
MFOgilvie
Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll. you liberals
are so easy to play.
ted...@excite.com
> are so easy to play.
Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
You rolled over as easy as Santorum.
Kurt Lochner
*> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > >
> > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > >
> > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > >
> > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> >
> > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
*> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > > > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > > > > > >truth,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >No you weren't, [..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > > > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > > > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Your incessant lies[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> > > > >
> > > > >Prove it.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> > > > 'level of education or common sense' say something..
> > > >
> > > > You won't of course..
> > >
> > >I don't have to.
> >
> > Yes, you do. Do I have to explain everything to you, or is
> > that how you avoid explaining the illogical premises and
> > insinuations your 'conclusions' rest upon, like a house of cards?
> >
> > >you're the one who said it's a negative claim[..]
> >
> > Yup, and you have yet to prove your "incessant lies" claim..
> >
> > We'll wait while you get an adult to explain it to you again..
Still waiting..
>Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll[..]
Again proving my point about how delusional you are..
--And as far as 'trolls' go, you're still an amateur, UglyLies..
MFOgilvie
ted...@excite.com wrote:
> > Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll. you liberals
> > are so easy to play.
>
> Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
Earth to dumbass: No one has ever handed my ass to me, as you put it.
Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal, who
makes stupid statements and never backs them up. His favorite tactic
is to say you have to prove the rebuttal. Then if he can't get the
other person to give in, he resorts to selective editing of responses
to make it appear he is winning the argument. The only thing I have
never been able to figure out is which personality trait is more
prominent, his ignorance or his arrogance. He doesn't know half of
what he should know, and he doesn't know 1/10th of what he thinks he
know. But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
like Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are not
all one in the same). He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go
by without one of his patented stupid replies.
ted...@excite.com
Looks like the libs aren't the only ones who're easy to TROLL.
Heh.
MFOgilvie
Sure it is. You are claiming that Bush lied, when everyone knows he
didn't. That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred of
Bush...that and the fact that your god AlGore couldn't steal the 2000
election from him. Bush didn't lie about WMD's. He didn't have prior
knowledge of 9-11 before it happened, as you liberals have claimed.
The war was not for Haliburton, as you liberals have claimed. Bush cut
taxes for everyone, not just for the "rich", as you liberals have
claimed. The economy is growing at a pretty good clip, inspite of you
liberals' lies to the contrary.
>
> *> -cricket.wav- <*
>
> > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > >
> > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > >
> > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
How so?
>
> *> -cricket.wav- <*
>
> > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > > > > > > >truth,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >No you weren't, [..]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > > > > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > > > > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Your incessant lies[..]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Prove it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> > > > > 'level of education or common sense' say something..
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't of course..
> > > >
> > > >I don't have to.
> > >
> > > Yes, you do. Do I have to explain everything to you, or is
> > > that how you avoid explaining the illogical premises and
> > > insinuations your 'conclusions' rest upon, like a house of cards?
> > >
> > > >you're the one who said it's a negative claim[..]
> > >
> > > Yup, and you have yet to prove your "incessant lies" claim..
And I'm not going to. You liberals are the ones who incessantly claim
that Bush lied about everything. Where is the substantiation for this
claim?
Kurt, you can think what you will, and you're always wrong as usual,
but the article merely validates what I said. You liberals have no
agenda other than the same one for the last 6 years, being against
anything and everything related to President Bush.
Kurt Lochner
>
> ted...@excite.com wrote:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered about:
____>
> > >Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll.
> > >you liberals are so easy to play.
> >
> > Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> > to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
>
Guess again..
>Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal,
Negative claim, unprovable, and hence unproven, on your behalf..
>who makes stupid statements and never backs them up.
That would be yourself, making false claims, insinuations
and then you run and hide by the end of the day..
>His favorite tactic is to say you have to prove the rebuttal.
Translation: You've never been able to prove anything..
>Then if he can't get the other person to give in, he resorts to
>selective editing of responses[..]
Which you do all the time, you lying right-wing extremist..
>The only thing I have never been able to figure out [..]
Is logic and critical thinking, as all you can do is make
callous statements, negative claims, false insinuations
and deliberately malicious lies about your opponents..
>He doesn't know half of what he should know, and he doesn't know
>1/10th of what he thinks he know.
*>LOL!<* Your 'distorted' pseudo-reasoning is self-evident..
Examples follow..
"You're the one getting on here talling all hte lies, not me."
"Good to know you recognize superios intelligence when you see it"
"they do with people who actually have intennigence."
"Bush didn't lie, so shut up if you know what's good for you."
"The onloy people that will buy it are loser liberals who
don't care about America and should all be shot and killed."
"Liberalism represents everything bad about humanity,
and those who embrace it deserve to be killed."
"Because you are a liberal, and you have never done anything
that contributes to society. Therefore, you deserve nothing
less than total extermination. And it wouldn't be murder.
At worse, it might be called cruelty to animals."
"I simply want all of you [Liberals] dead."
*>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic example of what's wrong with the GOP today..
>But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
Two wrongs, on your behalf, do not make you 'right'..
>Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are
>not all one in the same).
Another false "assumption" from you.. *>LOL!<*
Gary and Kyle will take it as a compliment, you blithering fool..
>He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go [...]
Yet another 'false assumption' on the behalf of a retarded
right-wing 'true believer' who cannot tolerate any objective
criticism of his so-called "conservative" political opinions..
--But, that's why you're such an extremist right-winger..
MFOgilvie
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined at:
> >
> > ted...@excite.com wrote:
> > >
> > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered about:
> ____>
> > > >Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll.
> > > >you liberals are so easy to play.
> > >
> > > Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> > > to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
> >
> >Earth to dumbass: No one has ever handed my ass to me,[..]
>
> Guess again..
Care to make a little wager on that?
>
> >Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal,
>
> Negative claim, unprovable, and hence unproven, on your behalf..
You proved it a long time ago. Liberals have never been right about
anything political, and never will be. Your politics are simply wrong.
>
> >who makes stupid statements and never backs them up.
>
> That would be yourself, making false claims, insinuations
> and then you run and hide by the end of the day..
Typical Lochner immature tactic: I DO NOT! YOU DO!
>
> >His favorite tactic is to say you have to prove the rebuttal.
>
> Translation: You've never been able to prove anything..
Don't have to.
>
> >Then if he can't get the other person to give in, he resorts to
> >selective editing of responses[..]
>
> Which you do all the time, you lying right-wing extremist..
If I do it, it's okay. If you do it, it isn't.
>
> >The only thing I have never been able to figure out [..]
>
> Is logic and critical thinking, as all you can do is make
> callous statements, negative claims, false insinuations
> and deliberately malicious lies about your opponents..
Selective editing again. Typical liberal and childish.
>
> >He doesn't know half of what he should know, and he doesn't know
> >1/10th of what he thinks he know.
>
> *>LOL!<* Your 'distorted' pseudo-reasoning is self-evident..
As is your continued lying.
>
> Examples follow..
>
> "You're the one getting on here talling all hte lies, not me."
>
> "Good to know you recognize superios intelligence when you see it"
>
> "they do with people who actually have intennigence."
>
> "Bush didn't lie, so shut up if you know what's good for you."
>
> "The onloy people that will buy it are loser liberals who
> don't care about America and should all be shot and killed."
>
> "Liberalism represents everything bad about humanity,
> and those who embrace it deserve to be killed."
>
> "Because you are a liberal, and you have never done anything
> that contributes to society. Therefore, you deserve nothing
> less than total extermination. And it wouldn't be murder.
> At worse, it might be called cruelty to animals."
>
> "I simply want all of you [Liberals] dead."
Your point?
>
> *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic example of what's wrong with the GOP today..
>
> >But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
>
> Two wrongs, on your behalf, do not make you 'right'..
But I'm right anyway, so your statement is moot.
>
> >Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are
> >not all one in the same).
>
> Another false "assumption" from you.. *>LOL!<*
I'm not assuming they are, dummy. But I suspect there are others on
here who routinely post as different people. If you watch for certain
phrases people use, and how they word things, it makes you wonder.
>
> Gary and Kyle will take it as a compliment, you blithering fool..
>
> >He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go [...]
>
> Yet another 'false assumption' on the behalf of a retarded
> right-wing 'true believer' who cannot tolerate any objective
> criticism of his so-called "conservative" political opinions..
When you offer up an "objective" criticism, we'll talk. You haven't up
to now.
>
> --But, that's why you're such an extremist right-winger..
And why you are such a lying liberal who does not deserve to live in
America.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner was again eliciting knee-jerks from:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined at:
> > >
> > > ted...@excite.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered about:
> > > > >Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll.
> > > > >you liberals are so easy to play.
> > > >
> > > > Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> > > > to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
> > >
> > >Earth to dumbass: No one has ever handed my ass to me,[..]
> >
> > Guess again..
>
>Care to make a little wager on that?
*>LOL!<* THe last two right-wingers that offered a wager got their
butts handed back to them so severely that they're still squirming
in pathological denials to this day.. How much you want to lose?
> > >Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal,
> >
> > Negative claim, unprovable, and hence unproven, on your behalf..
>
>You proved it a long time ago[..]
Cite?
>Liberals have never been right about anything political,[..]
Fallacy argument. "Sweeping generalizations" do not a valid
counter-argument make..
>Your politics are simply wrong.
You've yet to make any substantiation of what "my politics" are,
and you're again only working from your own prejudiced stereotypes
that have been spoon-fed to you by the GOP in your daily pabulum..
Examples follow..
> > >who makes stupid statements and never backs them up.
> >
> > That would be yourself, making false claims, insinuations
> > and then you run and hide by the end of the day..
>
>Typical Lochner immature tactic[..]
You've got three fingers pointing back at yourself..
> > >His favorite tactic is to say you have to prove the rebuttal.
> >
> > Translation: You've never been able to prove anything..
>
>Don't have to.
*>LOL!<* Critical reasoning isn't in your mental toolkit..
> > >Then if he can't get the other person to give in, he resorts to
> > >selective editing of responses[..]
> >
> > Which you do all the time, you lying right-wing extremist..
>
>If I do it, it's okay. If you do it, it isn't.
Nice 'double-standard' you've got there, OffalDweeb..
Where would you like to move the goalposts to now? *>LOL!<*
> > >The only thing I have never been able to figure out [..]
> >
> > Is logic and critical thinking, as all you can do is make
> > callous statements, negative claims, false insinuations
> > and deliberately malicious lies about your opponents..
>
>Selective editing[..]
That's because your emotional appeals are but inane drivel..
> > >He doesn't know half of what he should know, and he doesn't know
> > >1/10th of what he thinks he know.
> >
> > *>LOL!<* Your 'distorted' pseudo-reasoning is self-evident..
>
>As is your continued lying.
Negative claim, typical right-wing responses follow..
> > Examples follow..
> >
> > "You're the one getting on here talling all hte lies, not me."
> >
> > "Good to know you recognize superios intelligence when you see it"
> >
> > "they do with people who actually have intennigence."
> >
> > "Bush didn't lie, so shut up if you know what's good for you."
> >
> > "The onloy people that will buy it are loser liberals who
> > don't care about America and should all be shot and killed."
> >
> > "Liberalism represents everything bad about humanity,
> > and those who embrace it deserve to be killed."
> >
> > "Because you are a liberal, and you have never done anything
> > that contributes to society. Therefore, you deserve nothing
> > less than total extermination. And it wouldn't be murder.
> > At worse, it might be called cruelty to animals."
> >
> > "I simply want all of you [Liberals] dead."
>
>Your point?
That you're incapable of reasoning and defending your opinions
with anything more than childish insults and bafflegab..
> > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic example of what's wrong with the GOP today..
> >
> > >But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
> >
> > Two wrongs, on your behalf, do not make you 'right'..
>
>But I'm right anyway[..]
That's another false assumption, still unproven on your behalf..
> > >Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are
> > >not all one in the same).
> >
> > Another false "assumption" from you.. *>LOL!<*
> >
> > Gary and Kyle will take it as a compliment, you blithering fool..
>
>I'm not assuming they are[..]
But, you're insinuating something that you cannot prove..
>But I suspect there are others on here who routinely post
>as different people[..]
Trouble is, most of them are right-wingers.. *>LOL!<*
> > >He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go [...]
> >
> > Yet another 'false assumption' on the behalf of a retarded
> > right-wing 'true believer' who cannot tolerate any objective
> > criticism of his so-called "conservative" political opinions..
>
>When you offer up an "objective" criticism[..]
You wouldn't such if it bit your pea-brained head off..
> > --But, that's why you're such an extremist right-winger..
>
>And why you are such a lying liberal who does not deserve to live[..]
Fortunately, you're not in a position of authority to judge
that, nor do you consider the ramifications of what a cretinous
little lying fascist wannabe you actually are..
--But, that's what your pathological lies say about you.. *>LOL!<*
Kurt Lochner
>
>Sure it is. You are claiming that Bush lied,[..]
He did, repeatedly, and changed his story several times over..
And your next fallacy argument is?
>when everyone knows he didn't.
There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
"everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
>That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
>that and the fact that your god AlGore
I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
>Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
Bullshit. Prove it..
>He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
>The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
receiving moneys from?
>Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
But mainly for those who make the most money..
>The economy is growing [..]
If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
> > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > >
> > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > >
> > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> >
> > *> -cricket.wav- <*
>
>How so?
See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
> > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > > > > > > > > > >truth,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Which, we were, no matter how you try to 'spin' it..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >No you weren't, [..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *>LOL!<* Still writhing in denials, eh? Go figure..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Doesn't say much about the level of education or common sense of
> > > > > > > > > > >some Americans, but[..]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Always with the negative claims and insinuations when the facts
> > > > > > > > > > are clearly against your narrow-minded jingoisms.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies[..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Negative claim, nor have you shown how it was a "lie"..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Prove it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> > > > > > 'level of education or common sense' say something..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You won't of course..
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't have to.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you do. Do I have to explain everything to you, or is
> > > > that how you avoid explaining the illogical premises and
> > > > insinuations your 'conclusions' rest upon, like a house of cards?
> > > >
> > > > >you're the one who said it's a negative claim[..]
> > > >
> > > > Yup, and you have yet to prove your "incessant lies" claim..
>
>And I'm not going to[..]
Because you can't. ALl you can do at this point is ask the
usual right-wing rhetorical questions built upon false
assumptions. Example follows..
>You liberals are the ones who incessantly claim[..]
Nope, but thanks for telling on yourself again..
>Kurt, you can think what you will,[..]
Rest assured that I don't need your 'approval' to do so..
>and you're always wrong as usual,
Negative claim..
Unprovable, unproven and yet another assumption follows..
>but the article merely validates what I said[..]
That's because you don't want to contrast your opinions with
any contradicting media reports that falsify your opinions..
Example follows..
>You liberals have no agenda other than the same one[..]
That's called a 'circular argument' that has no basis in fact,
and as such, is but empty rhetoric, full of sound and fury
yet signifies your abject lack of critical reasoning skills..
--But, that's characteristic of you being a right-wing extremist..
George Grapman
>
> Kurt, you can think what you will, and you're always wrong as usual,
> but the article merely validates what I said. You liberals have no
> agenda other than the same one for the last 6 years, being against
> anything and everything related to President Bush.
>
The GOP agenda:
Keep changing the reasons for invading Iraq.
Tell us that the WMDs that Bush said were found never existed.
Claim all who question the war are helping terrorists.
Whenever here is Republican corruption say, "Democrats did it,too"
The party that espouses personal responsibility blamed everything on
Clinton.
A president who never vetoes a spending bill.
No action on immigration reform.
--
To reply via e-mail please delete 1 c from paccbell
MFOgilvie
Prove that he did, or shut up once and for all.
>
> >when everyone knows he didn't.
>
> There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
So?
>
> "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
>
> >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
>
> Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
>
> >that and the fact that your god AlGore
>
> I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
God is not a false idol.
>
> >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
>
> Bullshit. Prove it..
We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq, we found more than
ample evidence that Saddam was indeed working on enriching uranium for
nuclear weapons...that is all documented by newswires, Kurt.
>
> >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
>
> Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
>
> >The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
>
> Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
> receiving moneys from?
Freedom profited fromt he war, dummy. Now you're trotting out the same
old tired leftist rhetoric.
>
> >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
>
> But mainly for those who make the most money..
Earth to socialist: Those who have the most money are the ones who own
the most businesses, manufacture the most goods or deliver the most
services, and employ the most people. If the government reduces their
tax burden, this allow them to expand their businesses and manufacture
more goods. They can employ more people, which means more people have
more money to buy those same goods or services, which causes an evev
further expanse of the economy.
>
> >The economy is growing [..]
>
> If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
Such as?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > >
> > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> >
> >How so?
>
> See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
"6 years of lying finally pay off." What's your point?
Yes you did. Everyone of you did. Stop with the denials, Kurt. They
are getting tiresome.
Truth.
>
> Unprovable, unproven and yet another assumption follows..
>
> >but the article merely validates what I said[..]
>
> That's because you don't want to contrast your opinions with
> any contradicting media reports that falsify your opinions..
No, it's because the article validates what I said.
>
> Example follows..
>
> >You liberals have no agenda other than the same one[..]
>
> That's called a 'circular argument' that has no basis in fact,
Except that it's true, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Then
again, I am talking to a liberal, who are proven liars.
Kurt Lochner
"Mission Accomplished"
"Stay the course"
"We've never been stay the course"
*>LOL!<* How do you like your lame duck?
> > >when everyone knows he didn't.
> >
> > There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
>
>So?
It means that you're not able to support your claim..
> > "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
> >
> > >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
> >
> > Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
>
>So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
Nope, and your 'black-or-white' pseudo-reasoning is false..
> > >that and the fact that your god AlGore
> >
> > I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
>
>God is not a false idol.
Then why do you falsely assert that I think AL Gore is "god"?
> > >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
> >
> > Bullshit. Prove it..
>
>We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq[..]
Emphasis on the "small", and don't forget "out-dated"
As far as the "yellow-cake" goes, that's another GOP flop..
> > >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
> >
> > Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> > chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
>
>Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
Nice dodge around the fact that he was advised that it was likely..
>Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
Bullshit!
> > >The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
> >
> > Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
> > receiving moneys from?
>
>Freedom profited fromt he war,[..]
Same old tired rhetoric.. *>yawn!<*
> > >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
> >
> > But mainly for those who make the most money..
>
>Earth to socialist:
Prove I'm a "socialist", and don't quibble the details, dimwit..
>Those who have the most money are the ones who own the most[..]
Blah-blah-blah-blah.. Where are you moving the goal-posts to now?
> > >The economy is growing [..]
> >
> > If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
>
>Such as?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15527679/
U.S. productivity slows to a standstill
Wage pressures mounting, likely raising inflation concerns
WASHINGTON - Growth in productivity - the key ingredient for
rising living standards - skidded to a standstill in the
late summer while workers’ wages and benefits shot up at
the fastest clip in more than two decades.
The combination of slowing productivity and rising wages
was seen as a formula for inflation troubles down the road.
It could keep the Federal Reserve from cutting interest rates
any time soon and possibly lead to another increase.
Productivity, the amount of output per hour of work, showed no growth
at all from July through September. Growth was just 1.3 percent over
the past 12 months, the weakest showing in nine years.
Need another cite?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > > >
> > > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> > >
> > >How so?
> >
> > See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
>
>"6 years of [GOP] lying finally pay off[,Democratic sweep!"
>What's your point?
*>LOL!<* Your 'selective editing' is showing, you hypocrite..
>Yes you did. Everyone of you did[..]
*>LOL!<* Speaking of "denials", pack those camels and tents..
> > Unprovable, unproven and yet another assumption follows..
>
>Truth.
Thanks for proving my point..
> > >but the article merely validates what I said[..]
> >
> > That's because you don't want to contrast your opinions with
> > any contradicting media reports that falsify your opinions..
> >
> > Example follows..
>
>No, it's because the article validates what I said.
Never mind that it isn't factual.. *>LOL!<*
> > >You liberals have no agenda other than the same one[..]
> >
> > That's called a 'circular argument' that has no basis in fact,
>
>Except that it's true,
No, it's not.. And you mistakenly prove that point again below..
>and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
That's a false generalization.. Example follows..
>Then again, I am talking to a liberal, who are proven liars.
Thanks again for proving how incapable of critically thinking
about your party pabulum you really are..
MFOgilvie
THIS is proof? You have to do better than this.
>
> *>LOL!<* How do you like your lame duck?
>
> > > >when everyone knows he didn't.
> > >
> > > There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
> >
> >So?
>
> It means that you're not able to support your claim..
I don't have to. Bush didn't lie about anything connected with the
war, period. Liberals' claims that he did are simply falsehoods.
>
> > > "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
> > >
> > > >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
> > >
> > > Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
> >
> >So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
>
> Nope, and your 'black-or-white' pseudo-reasoning is false..
Then you're admitting you hate Bush. It's either one of the other, so
which is it?
>
> > > >that and the fact that your god AlGore
> > >
> > > I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
> >
> >God is not a false idol.
>
> Then why do you falsely assert that I think AL Gore is "god"?
>
> > > >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
> > >
> > > Bullshit. Prove it..
> >
> >We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq[..]
>
> Emphasis on the "small", and don't forget "out-dated"
I knew you would say that. Doesn't matter what is put on here, you
will simply close your eyes, cover your ears,a nd clim it's not true.
>
> As far as the "yellow-cake" goes, that's another GOP flop..
Hardly, but keep on believing that if it makes you feel good.
>
> > > >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
> > >
> > > Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> > > chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
> >
> >Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
>
> Nice dodge around the fact that he was advised that it was likely..
Tehre is not a dodge there, liar.
>
> >Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
>
> Bullshit!
Bullshit nothing.
>
> > > >The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
> > >
> > > Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
> > > receiving moneys from?
> >
> >Freedom profited fromt he war,[..]
>
> Same old tired rhetoric.. *>yawn!<*
Same old tired liberal denials.
>
> > > >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
> > >
> > > But mainly for those who make the most money..
> >
> >Earth to socialist:
>
> Prove I'm a "socialist", and don't quibble the details, dimwit..
Your statement, "But mainly for those who make the most money." Right
out of the socialist labor union playbook. Simple class envy.
>
> >Those who have the most money are the ones who own the most[..]
>
> Blah-blah-blah-blah.. Where are you moving the goal-posts to now?
your inability to handle the truth is duly noted.
>
> > > >The economy is growing [..]
> > >
> > > If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
> >
> >Such as?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15527679/
>
> U.S. productivity slows to a standstill
> Wage pressures mounting, likely raising inflation concerns
>
> WASHINGTON - Growth in productivity - the key ingredient for
> rising living standards - skidded to a standstill in the
> late summer while workers' wages and benefits shot up at
> the fastest clip in more than two decades.
>
> The combination of slowing productivity and rising wages
> was seen as a formula for inflation troubles down the road.
> It could keep the Federal Reserve from cutting interest rates
> any time soon and possibly lead to another increase.
>
> Productivity, the amount of output per hour of work, showed no growth
> at all from July through September. Growth was just 1.3 percent over
> the past 12 months, the weakest showing in nine years.
>
> Need another cite?
MSNBC? Are you kidding? You expect me to believe something out of
THAT bunch of leftist liars?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > > > >
> > > > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > >
> > > >How so?
> > >
> > > See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
> >
> >"6 years of [GOP] lying finally pay off[,Democratic sweep!"
>
> >What's your point?
>
> *>LOL!<* Your 'selective editing' is showing, you hypocrite..
You're the one who selectively edited my original header, so you have
no room for calling me a hypocrite.
I already told you, I'm not going anywhere.
Proving that I'm telling the truth? I didn't need your approval, but
thanks for finally admitting it anyways. There may be hope for you yet.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner continued to laugh at the expense of:
>
Your lack of a valid counter-argument is noted and laughed at again..
> > > > >when everyone knows he didn't.
> > > >
> > > > There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
> > >
> > >So?
> >
> > It means that you're not able to support your claim..
>
>I don't have to[..]
Yes, you do. But, you can't.. *>LOL!<*
>Bush didn't lie about anything connected with the war[..]
You missed his press conference.. *>LOL!<*
> > > > "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
> > > >
> > > > >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
> > > >
> > > > Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
> > >
> > >So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
> >
> > Nope, and your 'black-or-white' pseudo-reasoning is false..
>
>Then you're admitting you hate Bush[..]
It's not a 'black-or-white' matter, except for yourself.. *>LOL!<*
Thanks for again proving my point about your lack of reasoning skills..
> > > > >that and the fact that your god AlGore
> > > >
> > > > I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
> > >
> > >God is not a false idol.
> >
> > Then why do you falsely assert that I think AL Gore is "god"?
*> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit. Prove it..
> > >
> > >We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq[..]
> >
> > Emphasis on the "small", and don't forget "out-dated"
>
>I knew you would say that.
Did I ever tell you my deja vu joke?
>Doesn't matter what is put on here, [..]
You're resorting to fallacy arguments, and then get all huffy
about how your counter-arguments are deliberately false..
> > As far as the "yellow-cake" goes, that's another GOP flop..
>
>Hardly, but[..]
No "hardly" to it, OffalDweeb. There was no enriched materials,
nor the machinery to refine such raw materials and the technology
left intact in Iraq is barely able to support electricity for
more than five or six hours a day..
Your assumptions continue to prove how stupid your are.. *>LOL!<*
> > > > >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> > > > chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
> > >
> > >Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
> >
> > Nice dodge around the fact that he was advised that it was likely..
>
>Tehre is not a dodge there,[..]
Again, the PDB's show you to be the liar.. *>LOL!<*
> > >Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
> >
> > Bullshit!
>
>Bullshit nothing.
Which is all you've got, nothing.. *>LOL!<*
> > > > >The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
> > > >
> > > > Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
> > > > receiving moneys from?
> > >
> > >Freedom profited fromt he war,[..]
> >
> > Same old tired rhetoric.. *>yawn!<*
>
>Same old tired liberal denials.
Speaking of 'denials', got those camels and tents packed yet?
> > > > >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
> > > >
> > > > But mainly for those who make the most money..
> > >
> > >Earth to socialist:
> >
> > Prove I'm a "socialist", and don't quibble the details, dimwit..
>
>Your statement, "But mainly for those who make the most money."
Let's see you substantiate that with a cite regarding your
hypothetical "socialist labor union playbook", as I've never
seen such in all my days in a union labor organization..
Be specific, this once..
> > >Those who have the most money are the ones who own the most[..]
> >
> > Blah-blah-blah-blah.. Where are you moving the goal-posts to now?
>
>your inability to handle the truth[..]
*>LOL!<* You're the one that can't post the facts, OffalDweeb..
> > > > >The economy is growing [..]
> > > >
> > > > If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
> > >
> > >Such as?
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15527679/
> >
> > U.S. productivity slows to a standstill
> > Wage pressures mounting, likely raising inflation concerns
> >
> > WASHINGTON - Growth in productivity - the key ingredient for
> > rising living standards - skidded to a standstill in the
> > late summer while workers' wages and benefits shot up at
> > the fastest clip in more than two decades.
> >
> > The combination of slowing productivity and rising wages
> > was seen as a formula for inflation troubles down the road.
> > It could keep the Federal Reserve from cutting interest rates
> > any time soon and possibly lead to another increase.
> >
> > Productivity, the amount of output per hour of work, showed no growth
> > at all from July through September. Growth was just 1.3 percent over
> > the past 12 months, the weakest showing in nine years.
> >
> > Need another cite?
>
>MSNBC? Are you kidding? [..]
Your efforts to discredit the source is noted and laughed at again..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > >
> > > > >How so?
> > > >
> > > > See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
> > >
> > >"6 years of [GOP] lying finally pay off[,Democratic sweep!"
> >
> > >What's your point?
> >
> > *>LOL!<* Your 'selective editing' is showing, you hypocrite..
>
>You're the one who selectively edited my original header[..]
And I'm the one that serving you your head, on a platter..
Would you like some lame duck, with a side of crow now?
*>LOL!<* Went right over you head again, did it?
Nope, that you're lying, by omissions, by evasions and generalizations
that wouldn't hold up to a moment of scrutiny by critical thought..
--Again proving that you're just an amateur shill for the GOP..
MFOgilvie
Your lack of proof is duly noted and dismissed.
>
> > > > > >when everyone knows he didn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
> > > >
> > > >So?
> > >
> > > It means that you're not able to support your claim..
> >
> >I don't have to[..]
>
> Yes, you do.
Nope.
>
> >Bush didn't lie about anything connected with the war[..]
>
> You missed his press conference.
So? What is he supposed to have said?
>
> > > > > "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
> > > > >
> > > > > >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
> > > >
> > > >So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
> > >
> > > Nope, and your 'black-or-white' pseudo-reasoning is false..
> >
> >Then you're admitting you hate Bush[..]
>
> It's not a 'black-or-white' matter, except for yourself.. *>LOL!<*
>
> Thanks for again proving my point about your lack of reasoning skills.
You are avoiding the question. Answer it.
>
> > > > > >that and the fact that your god AlGore
> > > > >
> > > > > I worship no false idols or graven images, unlike yourself..
> > > >
> > > >God is not a false idol.
> > >
> > > Then why do you falsely assert that I think AL Gore is "god"?
>
> *> -cricket.wav- <*
>
> > > > > >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bullshit. Prove it..
> > > >
> > > >We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq[..]
> > >
> > > Emphasis on the "small", and don't forget "out-dated"
> >
> >I knew you would say that.
>
> Did I ever tell you my deja vu joke?
>
> >Doesn't matter what is put on here, [..]
>
> You're resorting to fallacy arguments, and then get all huffy
> about how your counter-arguments are deliberately false..
I'm not resorting to so-called fallacy arguments. Just because you
claim it doesn't make it so.
>
> > > As far as the "yellow-cake" goes, that's another GOP flop..
> >
> >Hardly, but[..]
>
> No "hardly" to it, OffalDweeb. There was no enriched materials,
> nor the machinery to refine such raw materials and the technology
> left intact in Iraq is barely able to support electricity for
> more than five or six hours a day..
Yes there was, liar. Where do you get this crap you spew?
>
> Your assumptions continue to prove how stupid your are.. *>LOL!<*
>
> > > > > >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> > > > > chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
> > > >
> > > >Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
> > >
> > > Nice dodge around the fact that he was advised that it was likely..
> >
> >Tehre is not a dodge there,[..]
>
> Again, the PDB's show you to be the liar.
Hardly, but go ahead and think that, since this is all you apparently
have so you can go to your buddies and lie about how you won the
argument.
>
> > > >Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
> > >
> > > Bullshit!
> >
> >Bullshit nothing.
>
> Which is all you've got, nothing.
Except the truth.
>
> > > > > >The war was not for Haliburton,[..]
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet, who profited from the 'war', and who is Cheney still
> > > > > receiving moneys from?
> > > >
> > > >Freedom profited fromt he war,[..]
> > >
> > > Same old tired rhetoric.. *>yawn!<*
> >
> >Same old tired liberal denials.
>
> Speaking of 'denials', got those camels and tents packed yet?
>
> > > > > >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
> > > > >
> > > > > But mainly for those who make the most money..
> > > >
> > > >Earth to socialist:
> > >
> > > Prove I'm a "socialist", and don't quibble the details, dimwit..
> >
> >Your statement, "But mainly for those who make the most money."
>
> Let's see you substantiate that with a cite regarding your
> hypothetical "socialist labor union playbook", as I've never
> seen such in all my days in a union labor organization..
>
> Be specific, this once..
Simple class envy. That is specific enough.
>
> > > >Those who have the most money are the ones who own the most[..]
> > >
> > > Blah-blah-blah-blah.. Where are you moving the goal-posts to now?
> >
> >your inability to handle the truth[..]
>
> *>LOL!<* You're the one that can't post the facts
I have. Your ssayso don't make it otherwise. you have to refute it
with proof.
>
> > > > > >The economy is growing [..]
> > > > >
> > > > > If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
> > > >
> > > >Such as?
> > >
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15527679/
> > >
> > > U.S. productivity slows to a standstill
> > > Wage pressures mounting, likely raising inflation concerns
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON - Growth in productivity - the key ingredient for
> > > rising living standards - skidded to a standstill in the
> > > late summer while workers' wages and benefits shot up at
> > > the fastest clip in more than two decades.
> > >
> > > The combination of slowing productivity and rising wages
> > > was seen as a formula for inflation troubles down the road.
> > > It could keep the Federal Reserve from cutting interest rates
> > > any time soon and possibly lead to another increase.
> > >
> > > Productivity, the amount of output per hour of work, showed no growth
> > > at all from July through September. Growth was just 1.3 percent over
> > > the past 12 months, the weakest showing in nine years.
> > >
> > > Need another cite?
> >
> >MSNBC? Are you kidding? [..]
>
> Your efforts to discredit the source is noted and laughed at again..
They discredit themselves. Next!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you managed to convince the majority that actually got off their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it was pretty damned easy, I might add..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Darned shame.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not as far as the rest of the country is concerned..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq, WMD's...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, that was the W. Bush administration..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Liberals did all the lying[..]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, you're again lying.. Lies about WMD's, the economy, Iraq..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >The economy is good. Saddam DID have WMD's. the war was NOT
> > > > > > > > > > > >based on lies by Bush. These are the facts[..]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > *>LOL!<* If that were true, you wouldn't be reading about
> > > > > > > > > > > how the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And the Senate is still an open situation..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >It is true, and is only proves my point[..]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nope, it disproves your narrow-minded opinion as false..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >How so?
> > > > >
> > > > > See subject header for details you keep ignoring..
> > > >
> > > >"6 years of [GOP] lying finally pay off[,Democratic sweep!"
> > >
> > > >What's your point?
> > >
> > > *>LOL!<* Your 'selective editing' is showing, you hypocrite..
> >
> >You're the one who selectively edited my original header[..]
>
> And I'm the one that serving you your head, on a platter..
Hardly, I would simply backhand you.
>
> Would you like some lame duck, with a side of crow now?
I prefer steak myself.
Okay, you got me on that one. Care to explain it?
But I'm not the one lying here, that's the point. You are, and it's
simply because you're a liberal. That is the long and short of it.
>
> --Again proving that you're just an amateur shill for the GOP..
And that is why you're a lying liberal (so what else is new).
MFOgilvie
za...@construction-imaging.com wrote:
> spar...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > MFOgilvie wrote:
> >
> > [--sour grapes--]
> >
> > Sour grapes makes for a bitter whine.
>
> But an expected comment from OGLEBUTT.
Ah, another of my many minions has come out of his/her hole. BTW, for
the record, I stand by everything I wrote. And I don't really care if
any of you like it or not.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Kurt Lochner continued to laugh at the expense of:
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> became confused again:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner continued to laugh at the expense of:
> > > >
> > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled like a right-tard:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Lochner wasn't even trying to hide his amusement at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled like a right-tard:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kurt Lochner was again toying with the psychosis exhibited by:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled like a right-tard:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kurt Lochner was again toying with the delusional right-wingers:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled like a right-tard:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Lochner continued exploiting the pathology exhibited by:
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Logic" just isn't your forte..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >And truth isn't yours.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Negative claim, unprovable on your behalf..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sure it is. You are claiming that Bush lied,[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He did, repeatedly, and changed his story several times over..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And your next fallacy argument is?
> > > > >
> > > > >Prove that he did[..]
> > > >
> > > > "Mission Accomplished"
> > > >
> > > > "Stay the course"
> > > >
> > > > "We've never been stay the course"
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* How do you like your lame duck?
> > >
> > >THIS is proof? [..]
> >
> > Your lack of a valid counter-argument is noted and laughed at again..
>
You're denying that W. Bush didn't say those statements publicly?
> > > > > > >when everyone knows he didn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There you go again, resorting to a false 'sweeping generalization'
> > > > >
> > > > >So?
> > > >
> > > > It means that you're not able to support your claim..
> > >
> > >I don't have to[..]
> >
> > Yes, you do.
>
>Nope.
You've made false claims, and it's up to you to prove otherwise
after being challenged to do so by my counter-arguments..
But, you can't..
> > >Bush didn't lie about anything connected with the war[..]
> >
> > You missed his press conference.
>
>So? What is he supposed to have said?
Dunno, I'm not his scriptwriter, and he was clearly ad libbing it..
> > > > > > "everybody knows" isn't a valid counter-argument, UglyLies..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >That has been the whole basis for your unjustified hatred
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, you falsely assume that I hate Bush..
> > > > >
> > > > >So you are admitting that you suppport President Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Nope, and your 'black-or-white' pseudo-reasoning is false..
> > >
> > >Then you're admitting you hate Bush[..]
> >
> > It's not a 'black-or-white' matter, except for yourself.. *>LOL!<*
> >
> > Thanks for again proving my point about your lack of reasoning skills.
>
>You are avoiding the question. Answer it.
Your "question" is dishonest and false, as I pointed out
> > > > > > >Bush didn't lie about WMD's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bullshit. Prove it..
> > > > >
> > > > >We found small quantities of sarin gas in Iraq[..]
> > > >
> > > > Emphasis on the "small", and don't forget "out-dated"
> > >
> > >I knew you would say that.
> >
> > Did I ever tell you my deja vu joke?
> >
> > >Doesn't matter what is put on here, [..]
> >
> > You're resorting to fallacy arguments, and then get all huffy
> > about how your counter-arguments are deliberately false..
>
>I'm not resorting to so-called fallacy arguments[..]
Which I've proven with several examples and comparisons..
> > > > As far as the "yellow-cake" goes, that's another GOP flop..
> > >
> > >Hardly, but[..]
> >
> > No "hardly" to it, OffalDweeb. There was no enriched materials,
> > nor the machinery to refine such raw materials and the technology
> > left intact in Iraq is barely able to support electricity for
> > more than five or six hours a day..
> >
> > Your assumptions continue to prove how stupid your are.. *>LOL!<*
>
>Yes there was,[..]
Nope, and I defy you to prove otherwise.. Cite?
> > > > > > >He didn't have prior knowledge of 9-11 before it happened,[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bullshit! He had ample warnings from several sources, but
> > > > > > chose to ignore as "all things Clinton" were abhorred..
> > > > >
> > > > >Bullshit nothing. Bush did not know that 9-11 was going to happen.
> > > >
> > > > Nice dodge around the fact that he was advised that it was likely..
> > >
> > >Tehre is not a dodge there,[..]
> >
> > Again, the PDB's show you to be the liar.
>
>Hardly, but go ahead and [..]
I see that you're not going to check your "facts" about that..
Your regurgitations of right-wing pabulum do not verify your 'facts'..
> > > > >Neither did anyone else, conservative or liberal.
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit!
> > >
> > >Bullshit nothing.
> >
> > Which is all you've got, nothing.
>
>Except the truth.
*>LOL!<* You seeming have your "truth" on a slippery-slope..
> > > > > > >Bush cut taxes for everyone, [..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But mainly for those who make the most money..
> > > > >
> > > > >Earth to socialist:
> > > >
> > > > Prove I'm a "socialist", and don't quibble the details, dimwit..
> > >
> > >Your statement, "But mainly for those who make the most money."
> >
> > Let's see you substantiate that with a cite regarding your
> > hypothetical "socialist labor union playbook", as I've never
> > seen such in all my days in a union labor organization..
> >
> > Be specific, this once..
>
>Simple class envy. That is specific enough.
That's a false generalization, based upon your beliefs
and misinterpretations of the facts. No surprise there..
*>LOL!<*
> > > > >Those who have the most money are the ones who own the most[..]
> > > >
> > > > Blah-blah-blah-blah.. Where are you moving the goal-posts to now?
> > >
> > >your inability to handle the truth[..]
> >
> > *>LOL!<* You're the one that can't post the facts
>
>I have. Your ssayso don't make it otherwise[..]
Neither does yours, and I note a lack of facts from you..
> > > > > > >The economy is growing [..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you ignore several facts that contraindicate that speculation..
> > > > >
> > > > >Such as?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15527679/
> > > >
> > > > U.S. productivity slows to a standstill
> > > > Wage pressures mounting, likely raising inflation concerns
> > > >
> > > > WASHINGTON - Growth in productivity - the key ingredient for
> > > > rising living standards - skidded to a standstill in the
> > > > late summer while workers' wages and benefits shot up at
> > > > the fastest clip in more than two decades.
> > > >
> > > > The combination of slowing productivity and rising wages
> > > > was seen as a formula for inflation troubles down the road.
> > > > It could keep the Federal Reserve from cutting interest rates
> > > > any time soon and possibly lead to another increase.
> > > >
> > > > Productivity, the amount of output per hour of work, showed no growth
> > > > at all from July through September. Growth was just 1.3 percent over
> > > > the past 12 months, the weakest showing in nine years.
> > > >
> > > > Need another cite?
> > >
> > >MSNBC? Are you kidding? [..]
> >
> > Your efforts to discredit the source is noted and laughed at again..
>
>They discredit themselves. Next!
Because you say-so? Bullshit..
And what hospital would you like to be taken to afterwards?
> > Would you like some lame duck, with a side of crow now?
>
>I prefer steak myself.
As in "mistake"? How about some of that lame duck?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Prove it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, you made the claim, you prove how your claims about the
> > > > > > > > > > > > 'level of education or common sense' say something..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You won't of course..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >I don't have to.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you do. Do I have to explain everything to you, or is
> > > > > > > > > > that how you avoid explaining the illogical premises and
> > > > > > > > > > insinuations your 'conclusions' rest upon, like a house of cards?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >you're the one who said it's a negative claim[..]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yup, and you have yet to prove your "incessant lies" claim..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >And I'm not going to[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because you can't. ALl you can do at this point is ask the
> > > > > > usual right-wing rhetorical questions built upon false
> > > > > > assumptions. Example follows..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >You liberals are the ones who incessantly claim[..]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, but thanks for telling on yourself again..
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes you did. Everyone of you did[..]
> > > >
> > > > *>LOL!<* Speaking of "denials", pack those camels and tents..
> > >
> > >I already told you, I'm not going anywhere.
> >
> > *>LOL!<* Went right over you head again, did it?
>
>Okay, you got me on that one. Care to explain it?
"Pack the camels and tents, we're going into De Nile.."
>But I'm not the one lying here[..]
Yes, you are. Your 'fallacy arguments' do not prove anything,
other than you're a weak-minded fool that's still swallowing
the party pabulum because it's easier than thinking for yourself..
> > --Again proving that you're just an amateur shill for the GOP..
>
>And that is why you're a lying liberal[..]
ANd that's why you're resorting to lies, insults, insinuations
and deliberately misleading statements that you cannot back
up with substantiating text, contexts or authoritative cites..
--But, that's because you're a right-wing 'true believer'..
Kyle Daulton
"MFOgilvie" <mattog...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1163016624....@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
You seem a little crusty, Pop 'n Fresh.
MFOgilvie
Well, you know how it is. I speak the truth as usual, all of you get
pissed off, as usual. Just another day in paradise.
kyl...@yahoo.com
It's not possible to piss me off today, Pop 'n Fresh. Of course, it's
never possible for an imbecile like you to do it!
Joseph Welch
"MFOgilvie" <matthew....@lmco.com> wrote in message
news:1162991688.3...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
"John Kerry should be shot. Same goes for any and all of his supporters."
-"Freedom and Democracy" lover, Matt Ogilvie
--
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
Joseph Welch
MFOgilvie
Kurt Lochner wrote:
> MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered again because:
> >
> > Kurt Lochner was again eliciting knee-jerks from:
> > >
> > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined at:
> > > >
> > > > ted...@excite.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered about:
> ________>
> > > > > >Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll.
> > > > > >you liberals are so easy to play.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> > > > > to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
> > > >
> > > >Earth to dumbass: No one has ever handed my ass to me,[..]
> > >
> > > Guess again..
> >
> >Care to make a little wager on that?
>
> *>LOL!<* THe last two right-wingers that offered a wager got their
> butts handed back to them so severely that they're still squirming
> in pathological denials to this day.. How much you want to lose?
I got $5 versus your soul.
>
> > > >Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal,
> > >
> > > Negative claim, unprovable, and hence unproven, on your behalf..
> >
> >You proved it a long time ago[..]
>
> Cite?
Anything and everything you have ever posted on here, more than ample
proof. Especially thejuvnile way you pretend to "debate." Totally
laughable and pathetic.
>
> >Liberals have never been right about anything political,[..]
>
> Fallacy argument. "Sweeping generalizations" do not a valid
> counter-argument make..
>
> >Your politics are simply wrong.
>
> You've yet to make any substantiation of what "my politics" are,
> and you're again only working from your own prejudiced stereotypes
> that have been spoon-fed to you by the GOP in your daily pabulum..
You are a liberal. Therefore, your politics are wrong, period. As I
have said before, liberals have never done anything or stood for
anything that is beneficial to America. You, and everyone who thinks
like you, have never supported anything that is good, moral, or decent.
You obviously won't agree with this; I don't care. This is my opinion
of you, and that will never change.
>
> Examples follow..
>
> > > >who makes stupid statements and never backs them up.
> > >
> > > That would be yourself, making false claims, insinuations
> > > and then you run and hide by the end of the day..
> >
> >Typical Lochner immature tactic[..]
>
> You've got three fingers pointing back at yourself..
I would suggest for your consideration, you pull them back before you
lose them.
Kind of like a person named Kurt Lochner, huh?
>
> > > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic example of what's wrong with the GOP today..
> > >
> > > >But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
> > >
> > > Two wrongs, on your behalf, do not make you 'right'..
> >
> >But I'm right anyway[..]
>
> That's another false assumption, still unproven on your behalf..
Not as far as I'm concerned.
>
> > > >Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are
> > > >not all one in the same).
> > >
> > > Another false "assumption" from you.. *>LOL!<*
> > >
> > > Gary and Kyle will take it as a compliment, you blithering fool..
> >
> >I'm not assuming they are[..]
>
> But, you're insinuating something that you cannot prove..
I don't really care.
>
> >But I suspect there are others on here who routinely post
> >as different people[..]
>
> Trouble is, most of them are right-wingers.. *>LOL!<*
Don't care. They are the good guys, so they can do anything they wish.
>
> > > >He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go [...]
> > >
> > > Yet another 'false assumption' on the behalf of a retarded
> > > right-wing 'true believer' who cannot tolerate any objective
> > > criticism of his so-called "conservative" political opinions..
> >
> >When you offer up an "objective" criticism[..]
>
> You wouldn't such if it bit your pea-brained head off..
>
> > > --But, that's why you're such an extremist right-winger..
> >
> >And why you are such a lying liberal who does not deserve to live[..]
>
> Fortunately, you're not in a position of authority to judge
> that, nor do you consider the ramifications of what a cretinous
> little lying fascist wannabe you actually are..
>
> --But, that's what your pathological lies say about you.
I haven't told any lies,so would you care to try again?
Kurt Lochner
> >
> >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered again because:
> > >
> > > Kurt Lochner was again eliciting knee-jerks from:
> > > >
> > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whined at:
> > > > >
> > > > > ted...@excite.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >MFUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> whimpered about:
> > > > > > >Like I said earlier this morning, I AM the master troll.
> > > > > > >you liberals are so easy to play.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow, pretty lame coverup for a retreat. Start getting your ass handed
> > > > > > to you, and yell, "Made you look! I wasn't really arguing!"
> > > > >
> > > > >Earth to dumbass: No one has ever handed my ass to me,[..]
> > > >
> > > > Guess again..
> > >
> > >Care to make a little wager on that?
> >
> > *>LOL!<* THe last two right-wingers that offered a wager got their
> > butts handed back to them so severely that they're still squirming
> > in pathological denials to this day.. How much you want to lose?
>
That's about the only time I've seen you act "conservative".. *>LOL!<*
> > > > >Lochner is nothing more than your typical misguided lying liberal,
> > > >
> > > > Negative claim, unprovable, and hence unproven, on your behalf..
> > >
> > >You proved it a long time ago[..]
> >
> > Cite?
>
>Anything and everything you have ever posted on here, [..]
That's another false generalization, and as such, doesn't count..
> > >Liberals have never been right about anything political,[..]
> >
> > Fallacy argument. "Sweeping generalizations" do not a valid
> > counter-argument make..
> >
> > >Your politics are simply wrong.
> >
> > You've yet to make any substantiation of what "my politics" are,
> > and you're again only working from your own prejudiced stereotypes
> > that have been spoon-fed to you by the GOP in your daily pabulum..
> >
> > Examples follow..
>
>You are a liberal. Therefore, your politics are wrong,[..]
That's another fallacy argument, Matt..
>As I have said before, liberals have never done anything[..]
Blah-blah-blah-blither-blah-blah..
You're again regurgitating your right-wing pabulum..
>You, and everyone who thinks like you, [..]
That's a false assumption on your lame behalf, Matty..
>You obviously won't agree with this[..]
Of course not, you're LYING..
Examples follow..
> > > > >who makes stupid statements and never backs them up.
> > > >
> > > > That would be yourself, making false claims, insinuations
> > > > and then you run and hide by the end of the day..
> > >
> > >Typical Lochner immature tactic[..]
> >
> > You've got three fingers pointing back at yourself..
>
>I would suggest for your consideration, [..]
*>LOL!<* You've already become the proud owner of a bloody stump..
> > > > Examples follow..
> > > >
> > > > "You're the one getting on here talling all hte lies, not me."
> > > >
> > > > "Good to know you recognize superios intelligence when you see it"
> > > >
> > > > "they do with people who actually have intennigence."
> > > >
> > > > "Bush didn't lie, so shut up if you know what's good for you."
> > > >
> > > > "The onloy people that will buy it are loser liberals who
> > > > don't care about America and should all be shot and killed."
> > > >
> > > > "Liberalism represents everything bad about humanity,
> > > > and those who embrace it deserve to be killed."
> > > >
> > > > "Because you are a liberal, and you have never done anything
> > > > that contributes to society. Therefore, you deserve nothing
> > > > less than total extermination. And it wouldn't be murder.
> > > > At worse, it might be called cruelty to animals."
> > > >
> > > > "I simply want all of you [Liberals] dead."
> > >
> > >Your point?
> >
> > That you're incapable of reasoning and defending your opinions
> > with anything more than childish insults and bafflegab..
>
>Kind of like a person named[..]
Matt OffalDweeb.. Heard of him?
> > > > *>LOL!<* You're such a pathetic example of what's wrong with the GOP today..
> > > >
> > > > >But I love jerking him around anyway. He's one of my stalkers,
> > > >
> > > > Two wrongs, on your behalf, do not make you 'right'..
> > >
> > >But I'm right anyway[..]
> >
> > That's another false assumption, still unproven on your behalf..
>
>Not as far as I'm concerned.
You've already made it clear that you aren't concerned..
So which is it? Are you lying again? *>LOL!<*
Examples follow..
> > > > >Gary Roselles and Kyle Daulton (assuming of course they are
> > > > >not all one in the same).
> > > >
> > > > Another false "assumption" from you.. *>LOL!<*
> > > >
> > > > Gary and Kyle will take it as a compliment, you blithering fool..
> > >
> > >I'm not assuming they are[..]
> >
> > But, you're insinuating something that you cannot prove..
>
>I don't really care.
So I noticed.. You aren't capable of effectively presenting
your opinions in a factual manner, so you 'act out' like a
frustrated preadolescent and resort to immature negative
claims and fallacy arguments.. *>LOL!<*
> > >But I suspect there are others on here who routinely post
> > >as different people[..]
> >
> > Trouble is, most of them are right-wingers.. *>LOL!<*
>
>Don't care. They are the good guys,[..]
History isn't on your side, OffalDweeb.. *>LOL!<*
> > > > >He simply can't stand to let any of my posts go [...]
> > > >
> > > > Yet another 'false assumption' on the behalf of a retarded
> > > > right-wing 'true believer' who cannot tolerate any objective
> > > > criticism of his so-called "conservative" political opinions..
> > >
> > >When you offer up an "objective" criticism[..]
> >
> > You wouldn't such if it bit your pea-brained head off..
*> -cricket.wav- <*
> > > > --But, that's why you're such an extremist right-winger..
> > >
> > >And why you are such a lying liberal who does not deserve to live[..]
> >
> > Fortunately, you're not in a position of authority to judge
> > that, nor do you consider the ramifications of what a cretinous
> > little lying fascist wannabe you actually are..
> >
> > --But, that's what your pathological lies say about you.
>
>I haven't told any lies,[..]
You just lied again..
You need another hobby at work, OffalDweeb. This one isn't
suited for raging dumbasses, in case you hadn't already
gathered that infromation yet..
--But, that's why you're a stupid right-wing 'cheerleader'..
Alric Knebel
> Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
> even the most well-intentioned people can be swayed to do wrong things
> at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
> couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
> what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
> immature leftist concept.
You dumb fuck. Did you ever think that the country just got tired of
hearing a lot of flag-waving bullshit just so that cabal you elected
could hide their real intentions? Of course not. It wouldn't possibly
occur to you. The war in Iraq really was unnecessary, but you're too
proud to admit it. The United States has destabilized the entire
region. You stupid asshole, WE didn't lie. Your man in the White House
lied, and he used 9/11 to promote an agenda he already had. Now, I know
this hurts, to find yourself in a minority, but you guys fucked the
whole country up, even morally. You pandered to those religious
fruitcakes, and now we're having to debate Darwin all over again. You
tried your damnedest to destroy the careers of people who said anything
against you (Tim Robbins, the Dixie Chicks). You wanted everybody in
lockstep. It was a miserable stupid time, questioning people's
patriotism at the drop of a hat, accusing people of treason, on and on.
You sick fucks. NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!
--
______________________________________________
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
Alric Knebel
Of course not. Caring would imply you're evolved beyond a fire hydrant.
MFOgilvie
Alric Knebel wrote:
> MFOgilvie wrote:
>
> > Well, you liberals finally pulled it off. Along with your willing
> > accomplices in the liberal media, you managed to convince the majority
> > that actually got off their lazy asses to vote that Bush was all things
> > bad. Your incessant lies about the economy, the war in Iraq,
> > WMD's...you managed to convince enough people that you were telling the
> > truth, which you weren't, but we already know that. Doesn't say much
> > about the level of education or common sense of some Americans, but
> > even the most well-intentioned people can be swayed to do wrong things
> > at times, I guess. Yesterday was evidence of such. Too bad you
> > couldn't actually run on an actual agenda. But then, we already know
> > what would have happened, don't we? Lying just to win, what a totally
> > immature leftist concept.
>
> You dumb fuck. Did you ever think that the country just got tired of
> hearing a lot of flag-waving bullshit just so that cabal you elected
> could hide their real intentions? Of course not. It wouldn't possibly
> occur to you. The war in Iraq really was unnecessary, but you're too
> proud to admit it. The United States has destabilized the entire
> region. You stupid asshole, WE didn't lie.
Yes you did. That is all you liberals have done, and every one of
you deserve to be held down and stomped.
Your man in the White House
> lied, and he used 9/11 to promote an agenda he already had. Now, I know
> this hurts, to find yourself in a minority, but you guys fucked the
> whole country up, even morally. You pandered to those religious
> fruitcakes, and now we're having to debate Darwin all over again. You
> tried your damnedest to destroy the careers of people who said anything
> against you (Tim Robbins, the Dixie Chicks). You wanted everybody in
> lockstep. It was a miserable stupid time, questioning people's
> patriotism at the drop of a hat, accusing people of treason, on and on.
> You sick fucks. NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!
Come to my house and make me, chickenshit. But you had best leave your
family at home so they don't see you get humiliated.
Stu Gotz
>
> Your man in the White House
>> lied, and he used 9/11 to promote an agenda he already had. Now, I know
>> this hurts, to find yourself in a minority, but you guys fucked the
>> whole country up, even morally. You pandered to those religious
>> fruitcakes, and now we're having to debate Darwin all over again. You
>> tried your damnedest to destroy the careers of people who said anything
>> against you (Tim Robbins, the Dixie Chicks). You wanted everybody in
>> lockstep. It was a miserable stupid time, questioning people's
>> patriotism at the drop of a hat, accusing people of treason, on and on.
>> You sick fucks. NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!
>
> Come to my house and make me, chickenshit. But you had best leave your
> family at home
Yeah, it'd be a shame to see you shit your pants in front of a crowd,
MoFOgoofie.
>
Kyle Daulton
"Stu Gotz" <U_R_A_Stunade@1st_magnitude.com> wrote in message
news:EAr5h.2593$6t....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Pop 'n Fresh's threats crack me up! What's the soft, stupid little doughboy
going to do? You just know the pussy would run screaming back into his house
and hide in the closet if someone took him up on his fake offer!
MFOgilvie
4012 Maybreeze Road
Marietta, GA
Your move, big talker.
Adam Albright
wrote:
I knew it. Oggy is a redneck besides being a dickhead. LOL!
Stu Gotz
Is that a WalMart in your back yard, Ogoofie? I guess you don't have to
walk very far to get to work. Some o' you Georgia crackers just got it
made, I guess.
kyl...@yahoo.com
LOL! Why would I go to Georgia? I can find the Piilsbury Doughboy in
the freezer case at my local supermarket!
Alric Knebel
What an idiotically macho thing to say. You don't know a thing about
me. For all you know, I can wipe the street with your dumb ass. You
impotent fool.
Alric Knebel
You fucking idiot.
284 McDonnell Avenue
Biloxi, MS
Now, YOUR move, you shit-eating mongrel. That was so goddamned stupid
to think providing your address proves anything, I thought you'd see how
stupid it really looks if I did it myself. There are more things that
factor in to us not meeting other than cowardice, you fool. If not,
come on over.
MFOgilvie
Interesting. I didn't know black people could be rednecks.
MFOgilvie
TRANSLATION: Kyle is scared, as usual.
NOw, watch him deny it.
MFOgilvie
Now, how are you gonna do that when you're too busy trying to shove
your intestines back into your lower abdomen?
Adam Albright
wrote:
The only reason anybody could be scared of a ball-less little wimp
like you would be if they beat you to a pulp and got some of your
probable HIV blood on them.
Alric Knebel
And you think more machismo makes it anymore convincing, over the
internet. I gave my address elsewhere, you oaf. Look me up.
See how dumb that is? I bet you don't.
Stu Gotz
So, you're just a dickhead then, Ogoofie. You heard it here folks, straight
from the asshole's crack.
Kurt Lochner
>
> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >
> >Fatt McUglyLies <matthew....@lmco.com> sniveled impotently at:
> > >
> > > Alric Knebel wrote:
____>>
> > >> You dumb fuck. Did you ever think that the country just got tired of
> > >> hearing a lot of flag-waving bullshit just so that cabal you elected
> > >> could hide their real intentions? Of course not. It wouldn't possibly
> > >> occur to you. The war in Iraq really was unnecessary, but you're too
> > >> proud to admit it. The United States has destabilized the entire
> > >> region. You stupid asshole, WE didn't lie.
> > >> Your man in the White House lied, and he used 9/11 to promote
> > >> an agenda he already had. Now, I know this hurts, to find
> > >> yourself in a minority, but you guys fucked the whole country
> > >> up, even morally. You pandered to those religious fruitcakes,
> > >> and now we're having to debate Darwin all over again. You
> > >> tried your damnedest to destroy the careers of people who
> > >> said anything against you (Tim Robbins, the Dixie Chicks).
> > >> You wanted everybody in lockstep. It was a miserable stupid
> > >> time, questioning people's patriotism at the drop of a hat,
> > >> accusing people of treason, on and on. You sick fucks.
> > >> NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!
> > >
> > >Come to my house and make me, chickenshit. But you had best
> > >leave your family at home so they don't see you get humiliated.
> >
> > What an idiotically macho thing to say. You don't know a thing about
> > me. For all you know, I can wipe the street with your dumb ass.
>
You sure talk tough when your hundreds of miles away from someone
that's shown you just how bad a LIAR you really are, McUglyLies..
--Perhaps that's why you're known as a cowardly right-wing red-neck?
kyl...@yahoo.com
Not in the least, Pop 'n Fresh! It looks like you've been invited to
meet one of our friends here, dough boy. You going to take him up on it?
MFOgilvie
Then where is your invitation?
MFOgilvie
Except that real human beings like me don't care to listen to your
crack.
kyl...@yahoo.com
TRANSLATION: Pop 'n Fresh is scared, as usual.
MFOgilvie
Knebel at least had the balls to return my invitation. Where is yours?
David Moffitt
%%%% Girly boy doesn't have the ovaries to post his.
“Actually, what I have is more properly termed "Closet Gaydar” ---- Kyle
Daulton "outing" himself on the net one year ago tomorrow. 11/17/2005
>
kyl...@yahoo.com
I know, and my question was, are you going to go visit him?
As for me posting my address: I've had way too much fun with a lot of
you rightard nut-cases and have witnessed how unhinged most of you
freaks are and I wouldn't dream of posting my address here. I'm not
worried about some flabby little doughboy like you showing up at my
front door, Pop 'n Fresh. In a fair fight, I have little doubt that I'd
pound you into buttermilk biscuits. What I *am* worried about is one of
you kooks camping outside in a mini-van and taking a shot at me or
someone I love from a distance. Even you weak little dorks can pull a
round off, Pop 'n Fresh. It wouldn't be very responsible of me to
expose others to you insane morons, would it?
Now, back to the question you keep evading: are you packing your bags
for a trip and if not, why not?
kyl...@yahoo.com
You're right -- I *don't* have ovaries! Since you do, apparently, let's
see your address, Bedpan Man! LOL!
David Moffitt
<kyl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1163700029.4...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
%%%% You don't have any balls either.
Since you do, apparently, let's
> see your address, Bedpan Man! LOL!
437 Hickory Blvd
Mc Minnville TN 37110
%%%% Now post yours cocksucker. ":o)
David Moffitt
"David Moffitt" <moff...@stompingweasels.com> wrote in message
news:zB57h.7082$0r....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
----------<cricket wav>------------
kyl...@yahoo.com
You waited what, 30 -- 40 minutes before the cricket thing there,
Muffy? LOL! Do you think I'm on the edge of my seat just waiting to see
what a bedpan orderly has to say? Bwahahahaha!
Here's my response to Pop 'n Fresh and it applies to you as well, Pan
Man (but in your case, I'd pound you into a bedpan-shaped tub of goo):
********
As for me posting my address: I've had way too much fun with a lot of
you rightard nut-cases and have witnessed how unhinged most of you
freaks are and I wouldn't dream of posting my address here. I'm not
worried about some flabby little doughboy like you showing up at my
front door, Pop 'n Fresh. In a fair fight, I have little doubt that I'd
pound you into buttermilk biscuits. What I *am* worried about is one of
you kooks camping outside in a mini-van and taking a shot at me or
someone I love from a distance. Even you weak little dorks can pull a
round off, Pop 'n Fresh. It wouldn't be very responsible of me to
expose others to you insane morons, would it?
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"I have ovaries." -- Dave "Bedpan" Moffitt. 11/16/2006