Obama makes unannounced visit to Afghanistan

[Sid9]

Obama makes unannounced visit to Afghanistan

By David Jackson,
USA TODAY Updated 1m ago
AP

President Obama has landed in Afghanistan, where he is expected to make
remarks about U.S. plans to withdraw from the war that is now more than a
decade old.

The visit, which was shrouded in secrecy, comes just a few weeks before G-8
and NATO summits at which the Afghanistan withdrawal will be a big topic,

It also comes a year after Obama announced the death of Osama bin Laden,
following a U.S. military raid on the 9/11 architect's compound in
neighboring Pakistan.

Obama is scheduled to meet with Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai, and sign
a new U.S.-Afghanistan security agreement.

The U.S. and its allies have agreed to withdraw all combat forces and turn
over security responsibilities to the Afghans by the end of 2014.

The president also plans to visits with U.S. troops stationed in
Afghanistan.


--
Ziggy's law, "For every complicated problem there's usually a simple
solution and its always wrong!"

[Oglethorpe]

"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009, the
downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8% unemployment, worst
year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8% unem'ployment since
the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits, no federal budgert in
over 1100 days.

[Lamont Cranston]

Republicanism in action.

[Sid9]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...

You want Obama to fix the mess that was started by and created by Republican
St Reagan 31 years ago.
He advocated hating our government, disregard for our oil and energy
problems, deregulation and failed taxing policy.
Followed by 12 more years of Republican incompetence managing our government
that culminated in the collapse of 2008.

Now you object because he was not the Messiah who can fix it all in three
years.


So, what do you offer?
You offer a wimp in the form of a rich man's son who has the spine of a
spaghetti.
Today he caved to an anti-gay faction of the Republican party and fired his
national security advisor.

[Clave]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
>

The Dow closing at a 4-year high:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57425511/dow-jones-hits-highest-mark-since-2007/?tag=stack

(CBS/AP) NEW YORK — The fastest growth in U.S. manufacturing in 10 months
gave stocks a lift Tuesday and pushed the Dow Jones industrial average to
its highest close in more than four years.

Manufacturing expanded last month at the strongest pace since June,
according to the Institute for Supply Management. Orders, hiring and
production all rose.

A measure of manufacturing employment also reached a nine-month high, a
hopeful sign ahead of Friday's monthly jobs report.

<...>

Treasury prices fell, and benchmark crude oil rose $1.29 to settle at
$106.16 per barrel. Both of those things tend to happen when investors
expect stronger economic growth.

[NoBody]

On Tue, 1 May 2012 18:53:40 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
wrote:

>"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
>news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
>>
>> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>> He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009,
>> the downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8% unemployment,
>> worst year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8%
>> unem'ployment since the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits, no
>> federal budgert in over 1100 days.
>
>The Dow closing at a 4-year high:

Because companies are making money hand over fist as they ship their
jobs out of the country.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

They are leaving, packing up their capitalism and headed for better places.



--
*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-

[somadisk]

Clave wrote:
> "Oglethorpe"<anti...@go.com> wrote in message
> news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
>>
>> "Sid9"<sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>> He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009,
>> the downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8% unemployment,
>> worst year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8%
>> unem'ployment since the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits, no
>> federal budgert in over 1100 days.
>
> The Dow closing at a 4-year high:
>
>

It did that when Bush was President too, and then?

[Salty Stan]

On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:21:14 PM UTC-4, Sid9 wrote:
> "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
> news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
> >
> > "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>
> >>
> > He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009,
> > the downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8% unemployment,
> > worst year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8%
> > unem'ployment since the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits, no
> > federal budgert in over 1100 days.
> >
>
> You want Obama to fix the mess that was started by and created by Republican
> St Reagan 31 years ago.

The recession of 2008 was caused by Ronald Reagan, who left office in 1989, 19 years before???

[Sid9]

"Salty Stan" <wsjam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:23752732.709.1335977489192.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbpp18...

St. Reagan started the "Hate American government movement" and the
deregulation of controls that kept us on a fairly even track from 1935 to
2008.

The incompetent Republican bush,jr was the fuse that blew our economy to
pieces.

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jnro3v$uu6$1...@dont-email.me...

And then he started two unfunded wars and a giant unfunded giveaway to
pharmaceutical companies...

Jim

[Clave]

"NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:6e22q7dv7acs1rg39...@4ax.com...

Tell the GOP to pass a real jobs bill then.

Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the country is
bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell rather than put
people back to work.

Jim

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Obama too.... used NATO also as was Afghanistan by Bush.... and money
going to solar and green energy companies, 500 million and more at a pop
and they went bankrupt and we got nothing. At least with the drug
companies, we got old people some drugs. We got ZERO from Solyndra.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA187A7...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

What horseshit. You people really do need your boogey-men.

Jim

[somadisk]

No.

It hit the record high after that.

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jns65t$s84$1...@dont-email.me...

So it took time for the idiot tax cuts, the wars and the pharm giveaway to
completely crash the economy.

BFD -- the causes don't change, and either have been or are being removed
now. The two can't be compared.

Jim

[somadisk]

- Major unfunded health care mandate.

- Squandered stimulus.

- Alternate energy frauds.

- Fed repurchases of worthless securities.

- Bailouts of deadbeat mortgage holders.

The Obama crash looms.

[Sid9]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jnsgq6$v4b$1...@dont-email.me...

There's that Chicken Little with a new name crying, "The sky is falling, the
sky is falling"

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jnsgq6$v4b$1...@dont-email.me...

Only if a whole bunch of lies magically become true.

But you go ahead and cheer for America's failure -- hell, vote another Bush
clone into the White House and make absolutely CERTAIN of it.

Jim

[linuxgal]

Clave wrote:

> Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the country is
> bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell rather than put
> people back to work.

Politicians don't put people to work, unless you're talking about
government jobs. Producers put people to work. So all we really need
is for politicians to get the hell out of the way.

[Clave]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
news:nrSdnXfDFMyWQjzS...@giganews.com...

What history-mocking horseshit.

Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks?

Jim

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The Democrats spent them all, they borrowed and they passed new costly
regulations starting in 2006 when Democrats took the Congress and 2008
when they took over the executive branch. Until we get real
Capitalists that are pro business, there won't be many jobs.


Businesses know when they are NO longer being targeted.

[linuxgal]

China.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA1E998...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 5/2/2012 10:07 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:nrSdnXfDFMyWQjzS...@giganews.com...
>>> Clave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the
>>>> country
>>>> is bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell rather than
>>>> put
>>>> people back to work.
>>>
>>> Politicians don't put people to work, unless you're talking about
>>> government jobs. Producers put people to work. So all we really need
>>> is
>>> for politicians to get the hell out of the way.
>>
>> What history-mocking horseshit.
>>
>> Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks?
>>
>> Jim
>

> The Democrats spent them all...

Another shameless load. You need some new bumper stickers, ScottyLoon.

Jim

[Clave]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message

news:HO2dnf0S_-kAcTzS...@giganews.com...

Kinda torpedoing your own point there.

Jim

[somadisk]

Not quite yet.

[somadisk]

Which ones?

> But you go ahead and cheer for America's failure -- hell, vote another Bush
> clone into the White House and make absolutely CERTAIN of it.
>
> Jim

No need to, Obama is the man for that job.

[emoneyjoe]

On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:07:31 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
wrote:

This discussion/argument will go on for some
time because no matter what, spending will not
grow much for years, the reduction in numbers
of people in the 25-55 age group will offset the
growth in the population spending.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005067.html

Those born in 1957 are turning 55, numbering
over 4 million, those born in the early 1970s only
number a little over 3 million.

You don't have to be smarter than a 5th grader
to see that the spending population may be losing
a million people a year, and will continue to lose
considerable numbers for years.

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jnt04b$vp8$2...@dont-email.me...

Take your pick from the above.

>
>> But you go ahead and cheer for America's failure -- hell, vote another
>> Bush
>> clone into the White House and make absolutely CERTAIN of it.
>>
>> Jim
>
> No need to, Obama is the man for that job.

*yawn*

[NoBody]

On Wed, 02 May 2012 08:31:00 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>
>
>>=====================================================================
>
>On Wed, 02 May 2012 05:36:07 -0400, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>The question to YOU is:
>
>"what percentage of the National Debt is Republican responsibility"

Asking the question repeatedly doesn't change the answer.

[NoBody]

In other words, the Dow closing at a 4 year high is not an indicator
that things are good in the US.

[NoBody]

On Wed, 2 May 2012 12:13:55 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:6e22q7dv7acs1rg39...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 May 2012 18:53:40 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009,
>>>> the downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8%
>>>> unemployment,
>>>> worst year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8%
>>>> unem'ployment since the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits,
>>>> no
>>>> federal budgert in over 1100 days.
>>>
>>>The Dow closing at a 4-year high:
>>
>> Because companies are making money hand over fist as they ship their
>> jobs out of the country.
>
>Tell the GOP to pass a real jobs bill then.

So that the Dem-controled Senate can ignore it, just like everything
right now.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

They are hiding from Socialist Obama and friends.

Why stick your head up in a Mao style "GREAT LEAP FORWARD", When people
did they ended up losing everything.

*Hundred Flowers Campaign and Anti-Rightist Campaign*
["In 1957 Mao responded to the tensions in the Party by promoting free
speech and criticism under the 100 Flowers Campaign. In retrospect, some
have come to argue that this was a ploy to allow critics of the regime,
primarily intellectuals but also low ranking members of the party
critical of the agricultural policies, to identify themselves.[9]"]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Hundred_Flowers_Campaign_and_Anti-Rightist_Campaign

We see how the Socialists work when they take over and collectivize
farms and businesses and how they flush out their enemies..... This
style fits Obama perfectly, Obama is Socialist scum that can't be
trusted, every thing Obama tells you is a LIE.

[somadisk]

None listed.

>>
>>> But you go ahead and cheer for America's failure -- hell, vote another
>>> Bush
>>> clone into the White House and make absolutely CERTAIN of it.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> No need to, Obama is the man for that job.
>
> *yawn*

History repeats, buy plenty of kleenex.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

It indicates that Obama is manipulating the Stock Markets....

The Democrats/Obama buys Bank stocks and they buy GM stocks and they are
making tax incentives to prop up sales and it is Obama's phony market.
They took over Fannie and Freddie and guaranteed all the trillions in
mortgages. They increased FDIC and backed it when it went broke. This
is a fake market where you're bidding against yourself in the form of
your own tax dollars, for every stock you buy.

It's what Obama is whining about the most, the speculators that run
prices up when they are NOT real values and Obama is the Biggest
speculator in the NATION.

[jim]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

>
> It indicates that Obama is manipulating the Stock Markets....
>

According to you everyone is a puppet.
You think - Nobody can even wipe their ass without the govt.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Without government interfering in how many gallons your toilet flushes
and what is on the label of the toilet paper you used.... yep that's
what I say.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 5/3/2012 3:07 PM, jim wrote:
>
>

Without government interfering in how many gallons your toilet flushes

and what is on the label of the toilet paper you used, then there is
ObamaCare that will monitor your blood sugar to make sure you don't use
too many test strips and will I'm sure eventually expand to want to see
your fecal matter so they can be sure you are only eating the correct
government approved foods.... yep that's what I say.

[jim]

I feel sorry for you if that is what your life is like.
My life is not like that,

you might ask yourself how you
managed to maneuver yourself into
such sorry conditions
you dislike so much.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA2D4C7...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

WOO-WOOOOOO!!!

Shiny side out, ScottyLoon!

Jim

[Clave]

"NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:s8l4q71prb3m6mdp5...@4ax.com...

You don't know that -- the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
work, and will *never* pass a real jobs bill.

Jim

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 5/3/2012 4:13 PM, jim wrote:
>
>
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 3:07 PM, jim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It indicates that Obama is manipulating the Stock Markets....
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to you everyone is a puppet.
>>> You think - Nobody can even wipe their ass without the govt.
>>
>> Without government interfering in how many gallons your toilet flushes
>> and what is on the label of the toilet paper you used, then there is
>> ObamaCare that will monitor your blood sugar to make sure you don't use
>> too many test strips and will I'm sure eventually expand to want to see
>> your fecal matter so they can be sure you are only eating the correct
>> government approved foods.... yep that's what I say.
>>
>
> I feel sorry for you if that is what your life is like.
> My life is not like that,

You're just too stupid to know that your life is like that, ignorance is
truly bliss and your life is blissful.

>
> you might ask yourself how you
> managed to maneuver yourself into
> such sorry conditions
> you dislike so much.

I didn't do it, you did this....


I never vote for regulations or tax or people that want more taxes and
regulations.

Because every tax and regulation steals my freedom.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

If you still believe there is a difference between shiny and dull, you
are in far deeper than I am.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

It's the pattern they have set.... the house passes a jobs bill and the
Senate ignores it.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA2F3B7...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 5/3/2012 4:50 PM, Clave wrote:

<...>

>> You don't know that -- the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>> work, and will *never* pass a real jobs bill.
>>

> It's the pattern they have set.... the house passes a jobs bill and the
> Senate ignores it.

There's a joke. The only "jobs" bills this House has passed have been more
tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy.

Are you really stupid enough to not see that?

Jim

[BeamMeUpScotty]

You could cut taxes to the poor, but I have never had a poor person hire
me on a job and sign my paycheck....

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA2FB26...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

"Yes I am" would have been easier to type.

Jim

[jim]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> >>
> >
> > I feel sorry for you if that is what your life is like.
> > My life is not like that,
>
> You're just too stupid to know that your life is like that, ignorance is
> truly bliss and your life is blissful.

You are the ignoramus with toilet problems - nuf said

[emoneyjoe]

On Thu, 03 May 2012 15:13:07 -0500, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net>
wrote:

>BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 5/3/2012 3:07 PM, jim wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It indicates that Obama is manipulating the Stock Markets....
>> >>
>> >
>> > According to you everyone is a puppet.
>> > You think - Nobody can even wipe their ass without the govt.
>>
>> Without government interfering in how many gallons your toilet flushes
>> and what is on the label of the toilet paper you used, then there is
>> ObamaCare that will monitor your blood sugar to make sure you don't use
>> too many test strips and will I'm sure eventually expand to want to see
>> your fecal matter so they can be sure you are only eating the correct
>> government approved foods.... yep that's what I say.
>>
>
>I feel sorry for you if that is what your life is like.
>My life is not like that,

You don't have diabetes, and Medicare isn't
restricting the number of test strips they will pay for?

>you might ask yourself how you
>managed to maneuver yourself into
>such sorry conditions
>you dislike so much.

As more and more people end up on federal
pensions and health care programs, the restrictions
will get worse, more people will suffer, and the
economy will slow even more.

[emoneyjoe]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 14:17:40 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
wrote:

So what would a dim jobs bill look like,
borrow mo money and give it to a buddy?

[emoneyjoe]

There's an idea, cut taxes on those who have
given up looking for a job.

[linuxgal]

Clave wrote:
> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message

> news:HO2dnf0S_-kAcTzS...@giganews.com...

>> Clave wrote:
>>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>> news:nrSdnXfDFMyWQjzS...@giganews.com...
>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the
>>>>> country is bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell
>>>>> rather than put people back to work.
>>>> Politicians don't put people to work, unless you're talking about
>>>> government jobs. Producers put people to work. So all we really need
>>>> is for politicians to get the hell out of the way.
>>> What history-mocking horseshit.
>>>
>>> Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks?
>> China.
>

> Kinda torpedoing your own point there.

US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush. All the Bush
tax cuts did was reduce the contribution that Americans made to our own
government. The difference was made up by borrowing money, a lot of it
from China. When I said "get the hell out of the way" I mean actually
make government smaller, in absolute terms, not make the contribution
Americans give to government smaller.

[Clave]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message

news:XbadndW2i5W0uD7S...@giganews.com...

> Clave wrote:
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:HO2dnf0S_-kAcTzS...@giganews.com...
>>> Clave wrote:
>>>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nrSdnXfDFMyWQjzS...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the
>>>>>> country is bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell
>>>>>> rather than put people back to work.
>>>>> Politicians don't put people to work, unless you're talking about
>>>>> government jobs. Producers put people to work. So all we really
>>>>> need is for politicians to get the hell out of the way.
>>>> What history-mocking horseshit.
>>>>
>>>> Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks?
>>> China.
>>
>> Kinda torpedoing your own point there.
>
> US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush. All the Bush
> tax cuts did was reduce the contribution that Americans made to our own

> government...

Horseshit. Those tax cuts are the single largest contributor to the debt
increase since then.

Jim

[emoneyjoe]

On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote:

You seem to be straddling the fence, the tax
cuts were an effort to recover from a downturn
that started even before 9/11, started during
the Clinton years, really.

That was a little over 500 million a year,
which is unlikely to happen as long as this
president is in office.

Unfortunately the situation is such that
no matter what is done, things will get worse,
did anybody believe that is impossible?

[Lamont Cranston]

Absolutely. The Bush tax cuts were the single most impeachable act ever
committed by a U.S. president.

[NoBody]

On Thu, 03 May 2012 08:02:10 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>What percentage of the National debt was the responsibility of the
>Republican party?

Asking the question repeatedly doesn't change the answer.

[NoBody]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 13:50:25 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>

Are you now claiming the Senate has taken up most bills passed by the
House?

[NoBody]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 14:17:40 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
wrote:

Then they should take a vote if it's that terrible.

>
>Are you really stupid enough to not see that?

Irony anyone?

[NoBody]

On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote:

>Clave wrote:
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:HO2dnf0S_-kAcTzS...@giganews.com...
>>> Clave wrote:
>>>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nrSdnXfDFMyWQjzS...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, right -- as long as Obama's in office, anything good for the
>>>>>> country is bad for the GOP, so they'll let the country go to hell
>>>>>> rather than put people back to work.
>>>>> Politicians don't put people to work, unless you're talking about
>>>>> government jobs. Producers put people to work. So all we really need
>>>>> is for politicians to get the hell out of the way.
>>>> What history-mocking horseshit.
>>>>
>>>> Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks?
>>> China.
>>
>> Kinda torpedoing your own point there.
>
>US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush.

And how much higher is it under Obama again?

[emoneyjoe]

So why haven't they been ended?

[linuxgal]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns do.

[clairbear]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:NP2dnQVuhMNwSz7S...@giganews.com:

Funny how Bush got and still gets critcized by the left for many of the
things Obama continues, and yet they give Obama a pass. That not to say the
right does the same the other way around. The unprecedented growth of
national debt under both is unconscienable. We need some one to stand up
and say enough already. To parphrase Kennedy's famous moon speach we need
to do what is responsible " not because they are easy , but because they
are hard." Our politicians,the democrats and the republicans, have
inherently sought out the quick easy solutions to extremely difficult
problems of their own making. I have'nt got the solution I wish I did.
Obama does not, would be nice if he did. Romney may or may not have a
soliution, I hope if he's elected that he does. If someone does not get it
right soon we are headed down a dark path

[emoneyjoe]

On Fri, 04 May 2012 08:53:02 -0500, clairbear <clai...@msn.com> wrote:

>linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>news:NP2dnQVuhMNwSz7S...@giganews.com:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush.
>>>
>>> And how much higher is it under Obama again?
>>
>> Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns do.
>>
>
>Funny how Bush got and still gets critcized by the left for many of the
>things Obama continues, and yet they give Obama a pass. That not to say the
>right does the same the other way around. The unprecedented growth of
>national debt under both is unconscienable. We need some one to stand up
>and say enough already.

Haven't you been reading my posts where I say
"stop borrowing"? Emoney created on a treasury
keyboard instead of at the Fed would not have to
be paid back, a much better way to go than trying
to tax enough at this time, and better than borrowing
at any time.

>To parphrase Kennedy's famous moon speach we need
>to do what is responsible " not because they are easy , but because they
>are hard." Our politicians,the democrats and the republicans, have
>inherently sought out the quick easy solutions to extremely difficult
>problems of their own making. I have'nt got the solution I wish I did.

There are claims that Kennedy created money
by printing dollar bills like Lincoln did when he started
the greenbacks, but I think the dollar US Notes were
just an experiment to reduce printing costs using
offset lithography instead of impression printing.

>Obama does not, would be nice if he did. Romney may or may not have a
>soliution, I hope if he's elected that he does. If someone does not get it
>right soon we are headed down a dark path

He may be able to get more cooperation with
big money investors but unless demand develops
for new products, not many jobs will result.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 5/3/2012 5:17 PM, Clave wrote:

You could cut taxes to the poor, but I have never had a poor person hire
me on a job and sign my paycheck....

You seem to be confusing JOBS bills and WELFARE bills. To begin with
the money you are wanting to confiscate with a tax, isn't yours.


This means you want to steal someones work from them. And use it for
NOTHING that will promote wealth building jobs or wealth building in
businesses.


You want America to be less wealthy.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Cropping a post to get my statements out of context, doesn't make you
look any smarter, it only serves to make you look like a Liberal liar.

I never passed any toilet laws in person or via Liberal proxy.... on
the other hand "you have been" voting for those people and regulations
and you will also vote for new bathroom toilet related laws and regulations.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

You mean over 8 years and Obama accomplished that in just 3.5 years?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The reason for debt increase is more debt and debt is spending NOT a
lack of taxing.


The way to cut debt is to cut spending.... If you want to pay down debt
you can increase income to the treasury "temporarily" every tax should
have a sunset clause.... it should be a constitutional amendment that
every tax law/regulation will sunset in seven years.

[emoneyjoe]

Wanna try for double in 4.5 years?

[emoneyjoe]

No, no, no no...... Debt is borrowing.

>The way to cut debt is to cut spending.... If you want to pay down debt
>you can increase income to the treasury "temporarily" every tax should
>have a sunset clause.... it should be a constitutional amendment that
>every tax law/regulation will sunset in seven years.

Of course the situation is serious, suppose
there are 100 million people that can pay a lot
more tax than they pay now.

And say the deficit is only 1.5 Trillion. If there
was a Billion people, it would only be $1500 each,
but with one-tenth of a Billion people it is $15,000
_EACH_.

Write the check please.


But wait a minute, it should not take long
to create 1.5 Trillion in emoney on a treasury
keyboard.

But all the liberals would not like that,
they want you to pay that extra $15,000 even
though you may only have $20,000 left after
taxes now.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 5/3/2012 5:49 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 11:46:01 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2012 6:18 AM, NoBody wrote:

>>> On Tue, 1 May 2012 18:53:40 -0700, "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ItedndWb6MOG5z3S...@mchsi.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jnpc79$7rs$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> He's trying to hide from 1.5 milion more unemployed since Jauary, 2009,
>>>>> the downgrading of out credit rating, 3 1/2 years of over 8% unemployment,
>>>>> worst year on record for home sales, longest period of over 8%
>>>>> unem'ployment since the Great Depression, $5 trillion in new deficits, no
>>>>> federal budgert in over 1100 days.
>>>>
>>>> The Dow closing at a 4-year high:
>>>
>>> Because companies are making money hand over fist as they ship their
>>> jobs out of the country.
>>
>>

>> They are leaving, packing up their capitalism and headed for better places.
>
> In other words, the Dow closing at a 4 year high is not an indicator
> that things are good in the US.

It indicates that Obama is manipulating the Stock Markets....

The Democrats/Obama buys Bank stocks and they buy GM stocks and they are
making tax incentives to prop up sales and it is Obama's phony market.
They took over Fannie and Freddie and guaranteed all the trillions in
mortgages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rifs5PuYUM&feature=related

They increased FDIC and backed it when it went broke. This
is a fake market where you're bidding against yourself in the form of
your own tax dollars, for every stock you buy.

It's what Obama is whining about the most, the speculators that run
prices up (like oil speculators) when they are NOT real values of oil
and Obama is the Biggest speculator in the NATION.


The irony isn't even funny.

[somadisk]

Clave wrote:
> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
> work,

Why not?

Do they want a dead economy and their own sizable stock holdings to be
worthless?

Counter-intuitive claims seem to be your trademark.

[somadisk]

Clave wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty"<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:4FA2FB26...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>> On 5/3/2012 5:17 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty"<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4FA2F3B7...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 5/3/2012 4:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>>> You don't know that -- the GOP has no interest in putting people back
>>>>> to
>>>>> work, and will *never* pass a real jobs bill.
>>>>>
>>>> It's the pattern they have set.... the house passes a jobs bill and the
>>>> Senate ignores it.
>>>
>>> There's a joke. The only "jobs" bills this House has passed have been
>>> more
>>> tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy.
>>>
>>> Are you really stupid enough to not see that?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> You could cut taxes to the poor, but I have never had a poor person hire
>> me on a job and sign my paycheck....
>
> "Yes I am" would have been easier to type.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

So how many poor people have ever hired you?

[somadisk]

Wait, I thought it was the two unfunded, illegal wars.

[Clave]

"NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:a697q7p4uogut6fss...@4ax.com...

Is what I actually said too hard to understand?

Jim

[Clave]

"clairbear" <clai...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA04964881...@216.196.97.142...

> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
> news:NP2dnQVuhMNwSz7S...@giganews.com:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush.
>>>
>>> And how much higher is it under Obama again?
>>
>> Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns do.
>>
>
> Funny how Bush got and still gets critcized by the left for many of the

> things Obama continues, and yet they give Obama a pass...

Criticizing Obama for decisions made necessary by the Bush excesses is
ridiculous.

Jim

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...

> Clave wrote:
>> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>> work,
>
> Why not?

While Obama's in office, anything good for the country is bad for the GOP.

Simple as that.

Jim

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Yet you blame Bush for decisions made necessary by Clinton.....?

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Cutting the deficit would be good for the country and good for
Republicans that have been promoting it for a long time.

[Sid9]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...

It fulfill McConnell's goal to prevent Obama from having a second term.
Racism comes ahead of the welfare of Americans in the eyes of the Republican
Senate leader

[Sid9]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo15kf$mrm$3...@dont-email.me...

He left out a lot if Republican mismanagement.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA420C2...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

No one is talking about Clinton, ScottyLoon.

Jim

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA42145...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 5/4/2012 2:30 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message
>> news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Clave wrote:
>>>> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>>>> work,
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> While Obama's in office, anything good for the country is bad for the
>> GOP.
>>
>> Simple as that.
>

> Cutting the deficit would be good for the country and good for
> Republicans that have been promoting it for a long time.

What utter pigshit. Like austerity is working so well everywhere else.

Jim

[Clave]

"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:jo180f$8oj$1...@dont-email.me...

I didn't "leave anything out" -- I mentioned the single largest contributor.

There's only one of those, you know.

Jim

[linuxgal]

Sid9 wrote:
>
> Racism comes ahead of the welfare of Americans in the eyes of the
> Republican Senate leader

The OJ trial proved that the charge of racism trumps the charge of
double homicide in this country.

[somadisk]

If you believe that you are beyond rational thought. No one has deep
enough pockets to ruin America to flip an election.

[Sid9]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo1c8g$3dl$1...@dont-email.me...

.
.
.Republican majority leader McConnell just about said it when he announced
that his goal was to deny Obama a second term.


To date his actions have confirmed his intent.

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo1c8g$3dl$1...@dont-email.me...

> Clave wrote:
>> "somadisk"<b...@nev.edr> wrote in message
>> news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Clave wrote:
>>>> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>>>> work,
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> While Obama's in office, anything good for the country is bad for the
>> GOP.
>>
>> Simple as that.
>>

> If you believe that you are beyond rational thought. No one has deep
> enough pockets to ruin America to flip an election.

Don't put your words into my mouth -- you aren't all that good at putting
them in your own.

What I *DID* say is perfectly consistent with the GOP's actions (and lack
thereof) since 2009.

Jim

[somadisk]

Clave wrote:
> "somadisk"<b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo1c8g$3dl$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Clave wrote:
>>> "somadisk"<b...@nev.edr> wrote in message
>>> news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>>>>> work,
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> While Obama's in office, anything good for the country is bad for the
>>> GOP.
>>>
>>> Simple as that.
>>>
>> If you believe that you are beyond rational thought. No one has deep
>> enough pockets to ruin America to flip an election.
>
> Don't put your words into my mouth -- you aren't all that good at putting
> them in your own.

Don't put your words to keystrokes, they make you look like a fool.

> What I *DID* say is perfectly consistent with the GOP's actions (and lack
> thereof) since 2009.
>
> Jim

Between their unfunded wars are your lib-Dem tax and redistribute
schemes you idiots have bankrupted America. You're two sides of a now
devalued coin.

Enjoy the Obama crash. You borrowed heavily for it.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I just did.

And you did when you used the necessary reference. All Presidents that
caused the following President to do the same..... They are all equal
in that respect.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

It only needs to work here to be of value to us....

And cutting spending is NOT austerity. Being forced by virtue that
you are too stupid to make reasonable cuts is austerity. Soon you will
have no choice.

[clairbear]

"Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com> wrote in news:yaVor.718$Xv3.318
@newsfe18.iad:

You mean like keeping troops at wasr longer than he said, or keeping
Gitmo open,or pushing a very seriously flawed Obamacare, or that job
saving porkulus that generate less than zero net jobs, or the letting
gas prices ballon way out of control after bush had taken steps to get
them back down under $2.00 BTW how's that hopey-changey thing going
And what ever happened to that open transparent administration

[clairbear]

"Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com> wrote in
news:IIVor.22136$zA4....@newsfe19.iad:

OOOH somebody touched a raw nerve I'll say one thing for Clinton he was
far better than Obama

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Hypocrites rarely like being shown their stupidity and hypocrisy....
the other thing is Liberals are omnipotent and go nuts when you show
them their stupid mistakes.


When you think you are better than anyone else and know that you should
make all decisions and be the one that has all the answers. It's a real
problem when you are shown by a lowly serf and a right
winger/Libertarian type that you are sure is inferior to you in every way.


The truth becomes death by a thousand cuts.

Poor little baby Jim.....

[clairbear]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4FA475ED...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

Liberal secretly know when they are wtong but just cannot stand it when
someone points out that they are wrong. It just make their poor little
heads implode

[Clave]

"somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message news:jo1krq$mhi$1...@dont-email.me...

<...the usual chicken-little horseshit...>

> Enjoy the Obama crash. You borrowed heavily for it.

You wingnut soapbox prophets have been telling us it's been imminent for
three years now.

Where's the inflation, genius?

Jim

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA470E2...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

No one cares.

[Clave]

"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:4FA4719A...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 5/4/2012 3:05 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:4FA42145...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>> On 5/4/2012 2:30 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> "somadisk" <b...@nev.edr> wrote in message
>>>> news:jo15h5$mrm$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>>> the GOP has no interest in putting people back to
>>>>>> work,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> While Obama's in office, anything good for the country is bad for the
>>>> GOP.
>>>>
>>>> Simple as that.
>>>
>>> Cutting the deficit would be good for the country and good for
>>> Republicans that have been promoting it for a long time.
>>
>> What utter pigshit. Like austerity is working so well everywhere else.
>>
>> Jim
>
> It only needs to work here to be of value to us...

Except it doesn't work.

[Clave]

"clairbear" <clai...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA049CF3CF...@216.196.97.142...

> "Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com> wrote in news:yaVor.718$Xv3.318
> @newsfe18.iad:
>
>>
>>
>> "clairbear" <clai...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA04964881...@216.196.97.142...
>>> linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
>>> news:NP2dnQVuhMNwSz7S...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:36:34 -0700, linuxgal
> <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> US government debt grew $4.33 trillion larger under Bush.
>>>>>
>>>>> And how much higher is it under Obama again?
>>>>
>>>> Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny how Bush got and still gets critcized by the left for many of
> the
>>> things Obama continues, and yet they give Obama a pass...
>>
>> Criticizing Obama for decisions made necessary by the Bush excesses is
>> ridiculous.
>

> You mean like

Like you don't want to talk about the debt any more now that it's clearly
not Obama's fault.

Jim