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David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 11:42:10 AM11/8/12
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I will believe it when I see it.
http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
[...]
Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying his
attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles cost him
the presidency.
They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential candidate.
“The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard Viguerie, a
top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is
that the GOP must “never again” nominate a “a big government established
conservative for president.”
[...]
http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
[...]
Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying his
attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles cost him
the presidency.
They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential candidate.
“The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard Viguerie, a
top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is
that the GOP must “never again” nominate a “a big government established
conservative for president.”
[...]
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Lee L. Curtis
Nov 8, 2012, 11:58:39 AM11/8/12
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it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
impose?
If they had any honesty they would replace their
elephant symbol with a vaginal probe......
wy
Nov 8, 2012, 11:59:24 AM11/8/12
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party's implosion. It's exactly what happened with the Conservative
party in Canada when they were originally known as the Progressive
Conservatives. A western-based more extremist right wingnut party,
under the misnomer of the Reform Party, came along in the 90s to
eventually infiltrate, merge and usurp the PC because they considered
the PC party as not extremist right wingnut enough for them. This was
made possible because the PC suffered from weak leadership after the
last PC prime minister's fall from grace, Brian Mulroney. The party
essentially collapsed when the liberals swept back into power and
seeing an opportunity, the RP moved in for the kill. Now we're
plagued by this right wingnut joker named Stephen Harper who has
clamped down on the kind of openness that used to exist in Parliament,
exerting a tight-fisted control over all departments to ensure that
everyone keeps their mouths shut. Anyway, expect the same results if
the Tea Farters actually move in for the kill themselves - right
wingnuts have a way of eating their young, or old. The Repugnants are
clearly at a crossroads right now because after losing this election,
they now have to reconfigure themselves in some way in order to stay
relevant as a viable option for people to want to vote for into
power. So long as they exclude ever-increasing populations that don't
fit neatly into their concept of what an American is, they'll never
reclaim power and could very well be taken over by the likes of the
Tea Farters or, and this is wishful thinking, a coalition of level-
headed, reasonable and moderate conservatives with an all-inclusive
view of Americans.
David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 12:42:21 PM11/8/12
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On 11/08/2012 10:57 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
>> I will believe it when I see it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
>> [...]
>> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying his
>> attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles cost him
>> the presidency.
>>
>> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
>> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential candidate.
>>
>> ļæ½The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
>
>> I will believe it when I see it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
>> [...]
>> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying his
>> attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles cost him
>> the presidency.
>>
>> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
>> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential candidate.
>>
>> failed Republican leadership should resign,ļæ½ said Richard Viguerie, a
>> top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
>>
>> He said the lesson on Romneyļæ½s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is
>>
>> that the GOP must ļæ½never againļæ½ nominate a ļæ½a big government established
>> conservative for president.ļæ½
>> [...]
>
> That should ensure another Democratic Administration.
Perhaps, but it would be refreshing to see actual differences between
the two parties.
David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 12:44:03 PM11/8/12
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On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Lee L. Curtis wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> I will believe it when I see it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
>> [...]
>> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying
>> his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles
>> cost him the presidency.
>>
>> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
>> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
>> candidate.
>>
>> �The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> I will believe it when I see it.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
>> [...]
>> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying
>> his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles
>> cost him the presidency.
>>
>> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
>> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
>> candidate.
>>
>> failed Republican leadership should resign,� said Richard Viguerie, a
>> top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
>>
>> He said the lesson on Romney�s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is
>>
>> that the GOP must �never again� nominate a �a big government
>> established conservative for president.� [...]
>
>
>
>
> Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> impose?
That is the problem. True conservatives wish to reduce the government's
>
>
>
> Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> impose?
interference in our lives. Any who believe the current Republican party
to be conservative is simply wrong.
Lee L. Curtis
Nov 8, 2012, 2:57:32 PM11/8/12
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David Hartung wrote:
> On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Lee L. Curtis wrote:
> > David Hartung wrote:
> >
> > > I will believe it when I see it.
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
> > > [...]
> > > Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> > > saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> > > principles cost him the presidency.
> > >
> > > They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> > > Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> > > candidate.
> > >
> > > “The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
> On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Lee L. Curtis wrote:
> > David Hartung wrote:
> >
> > > I will believe it when I see it.
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
> > > [...]
> > > Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> > > saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> > > principles cost him the presidency.
> > >
> > > They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> > > Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> > > candidate.
> > >
> > > failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard
> > > Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
> > >
> > > He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on Tuesday
> > >
> > > is that the GOP must “never again” nominate a “a big government
> > > established conservative for president.” [...]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> > it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> > impose?
>
> That is the problem. True conservatives wish to reduce the
> government's interference in our lives. Any who believe the current
> Republican party to be conservative is simply wrong.
Care to show us any of these "true conservatives"
> >
> >
> >
> > Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> > it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> > impose?
>
> That is the problem. True conservatives wish to reduce the
> government's interference in our lives. Any who believe the current
> Republican party to be conservative is simply wrong.
in action?
Dacato
Nov 8, 2012, 5:21:49 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:44 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Lee L. Curtis wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Hartung wrote:
>
> >> I will believe it when I see it.
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
> >> [...]
> >> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying
> >> his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles
> >> cost him the presidency.
>
> >> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> >> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> >> candidate.
>
> On 11/08/2012 10:58 AM, Lee L. Curtis wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > David Hartung wrote:
>
> >> I will believe it when I see it.
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/b3ul75w
> >> [...]
> >> Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney, saying
> >> his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his principles
> >> cost him the presidency.
>
> >> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> >> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> >> candidate.
>
> >> The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and the
> >> failed Republican leadership should resign, said Richard Viguerie, a
> >> top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
>
> >> He said the lesson on Romney s loss to President Obama on Tuesday is
>
> >> that the GOP must never again nominate a a big government
> >> established conservative for president. [...]
>
> > Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> > it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> > impose?
>
> That is the problem. True conservatives wish to reduce the government's
> interference in our lives. Any who believe the current Republican party
> to be conservative is simply wrong.- Hide quoted text -
> > Aren't all conservatives "big government" when
> > it comes to enacting the regulations they want to
> > impose?
>
> That is the problem. True conservatives wish to reduce the government's
> interference in our lives. Any who believe the current Republican party
>
> - Show quoted text -
How can you say that conservatives want to reduce the government's
interference in our lives and yet support a government who wants to
FORCE a woman to give birth to a baby conceived through rape? How is
that an example of reducing the government's interference in our
lives? Serious question. I would like to know how conservatives make
this justification.
KalElFan
Nov 8, 2012, 6:00:55 PM11/8/12
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On the Limbaugh group "David Hartung" wrote in message
news:-8OdnYYMCL9_fQbN...@giganews.com...
> I will believe it when I see it.
They might be doing the country a better service if they split
off and formed their own conservative party. It would allow
a centrist party to emerge, whether the GOP or something
newly-named.
Then again, failing that, if they do take over the GOP, it may
leave all the more opening for a new Centrist party to form.
Help them Obi-Wan-Rubio, you may be the GOP's only hope. :-)
I saw the new Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz, interviewed on
CNN yesterday. First time I've seen him, and I think he may
also be a rising star. He didn't take any of the "please say
something stupid" bait, and actually turned it around pretty
effectively.
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop
news:-8OdnYYMCL9_fQbN...@giganews.com...
> I will believe it when I see it.
off and formed their own conservative party. It would allow
a centrist party to emerge, whether the GOP or something
newly-named.
Then again, failing that, if they do take over the GOP, it may
leave all the more opening for a new Centrist party to form.
Help them Obi-Wan-Rubio, you may be the GOP's only hope. :-)
I saw the new Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz, interviewed on
CNN yesterday. First time I've seen him, and I think he may
also be a rising star. He didn't take any of the "please say
something stupid" bait, and actually turned it around pretty
effectively.
> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop
>
> ... Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> principles cost him the presidency.
>
> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> candidate.
>
> “The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and
> the failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard
> Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
>
> He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on
> Tuesday is that the GOP must “never again” nominate “a big
> ... Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> principles cost him the presidency.
>
> They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> candidate.
>
> “The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and
> the failed Republican leadership should resign,” said Richard
> Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
>
> He said the lesson on Romney’s loss to President Obama on
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David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 9:51:43 PM11/8/12
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Gary DW
Nov 9, 2012, 12:39:12 AM11/9/12
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In article <8NSdnQ0U-
oJd8gHNnZ2d...@giganews.com>, David Hartung
says...
As he is the head cheerleader for the death penalty,
torture, and wars...
--
"[The] debt explosion has resulted not from big spending
by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's
embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious
doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from
tax cuts."
-Reagan budget chief David Stockman
oJd8gHNnZ2d...@giganews.com>, David Hartung
says...
torture, and wars...
--
"[The] debt explosion has resulted not from big spending
by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's
embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious
doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from
tax cuts."
-Reagan budget chief David Stockman
man behind the curtain
Nov 9, 2012, 8:32:30 AM11/9/12
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In article <ag2rtf...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Tuesday is that the GOP must łnever again˛ nominate ła big
> > government established conservative for president.˛
and;
"Big Bird"?
SUMMARY
Election exit polls show that Republicans failed to earn votes from the
growing demographics of minorities and young people.
Here's some "News".
fo mo;'
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/gop_11-08.html
Big Bird's revenge.
--
Karma ; what a concept!
"KalElFan" <kale...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
> On the Limbaugh group "David Hartung" wrote in message
> news:-8OdnYYMCL9_fQbN...@giganews.com...
>
> > I will believe it when I see it.
>
> They might be doing the country a better service if they split
> off and formed their own conservative party. It would allow
> a centrist party to emerge, whether the GOP or something
> newly-named.
>
> Then again, failing that, if they do take over the GOP, it may
> leave all the more opening for a new Centrist party to form.
>
> Help them Obi-Wan-Rubio, you may be the GOP's only hope. :-)
>
> I saw the new Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz, interviewed on
> CNN yesterday. First time I've seen him, and I think he may
> also be a rising star. He didn't take any of the "please say
> something stupid" bait, and actually turned it around pretty
> effectively.
>
> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-
> > lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop
> >
> > ... Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> > saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> > principles cost him the presidency.
> >
> > They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> > Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> > candidate.
> >
> > łThe battle to take over the Republican Party begins today and
> On the Limbaugh group "David Hartung" wrote in message
> news:-8OdnYYMCL9_fQbN...@giganews.com...
>
> > I will believe it when I see it.
>
> They might be doing the country a better service if they split
> off and formed their own conservative party. It would allow
> a centrist party to emerge, whether the GOP or something
> newly-named.
>
> Then again, failing that, if they do take over the GOP, it may
> leave all the more opening for a new Centrist party to form.
>
> Help them Obi-Wan-Rubio, you may be the GOP's only hope. :-)
>
> I saw the new Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz, interviewed on
> CNN yesterday. First time I've seen him, and I think he may
> also be a rising star. He didn't take any of the "please say
> something stupid" bait, and actually turned it around pretty
> effectively.
>
> > http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/266649-conservatives-
> > lambast-romney-vow-to-take-over-gop
> >
> > ... Conservative leaders on Wednesday lashed out at Mitt Romney,
> > saying his attempts to paint himself as a centrist and hide his
> > principles cost him the presidency.
> >
> > They vowed to wage a war to put the Tea Party in charge of the
> > Republican Party by the time it nominates its next presidential
> > candidate.
> >
> > the failed Republican leadership should resign,˛ said Richard
> > Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
> >
> > He said the lesson on Romneyąs loss to President Obama on
> > Viguerie, a top activist and chairman of ConservativeHQ.com.
> >
> > Tuesday is that the GOP must łnever again˛ nominate ła big
> > government established conservative for president.˛
and;
"Big Bird"?
SUMMARY
Election exit polls show that Republicans failed to earn votes from the
growing demographics of minorities and young people.
Here's some "News".
fo mo;'
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/gop_11-08.html
Big Bird's revenge.
--
Karma ; what a concept!
Kenny McCormack
Nov 9, 2012, 9:15:23 AM11/9/12
to
In article <georgewk-0F8FD7...@news.toast.net>,
man behind the curtain <geor...@toast.net> wrote:
...
themselves and become something they are not. As if companies really don't
have any personality (*). The Republican party is what it is - and it is
simply not realistic to act like it does or could "have something" for
people who don't fit into one of the following categories:
1) 1%-ers
2) Social (and religious) conservatives
(*) and note that since Citizens United, companies are people, so they
certainly do have personality.
A couple of other notes:
1) Loonies (like we see on these newsgroups) who go around saying things
like "Hispanics really need the GOP" or "If only they weren't so
stupid, they'd see that the GOP is the right party for them" are
just that - loonies. The implication here is that the GOP is just
fine - they just need to market better. This view is clearly
insane.
2) Slightly more sane people that claim that the GOP can and should
"re-tool" - that is, change to meet the coming challenge - are just
deluding themselves.
--
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
- John Kenneth Galbraith -
man behind the curtain <geor...@toast.net> wrote:
...
>Election exit polls show that Republicans failed to earn votes from the
>growing demographics of minorities and young people.
>
I don't see it happening. There is a myth that companies can "re-tool"
>growing demographics of minorities and young people.
>
themselves and become something they are not. As if companies really don't
have any personality (*). The Republican party is what it is - and it is
simply not realistic to act like it does or could "have something" for
people who don't fit into one of the following categories:
1) 1%-ers
2) Social (and religious) conservatives
(*) and note that since Citizens United, companies are people, so they
certainly do have personality.
A couple of other notes:
1) Loonies (like we see on these newsgroups) who go around saying things
like "Hispanics really need the GOP" or "If only they weren't so
stupid, they'd see that the GOP is the right party for them" are
just that - loonies. The implication here is that the GOP is just
fine - they just need to market better. This view is clearly
insane.
2) Slightly more sane people that claim that the GOP can and should
"re-tool" - that is, change to meet the coming challenge - are just
deluding themselves.
--
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
- John Kenneth Galbraith -
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Gary DW
Nov 9, 2012, 11:57:41 PM11/9/12
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In article <k6kmg440isdv.1j...@40tude.net>,
Morgoth Bauglir says...
> And, of course, lost elections...
No... he thinks its just an aberration.
Just 3 of the last four...
Morgoth Bauglir says...
No... he thinks its just an aberration.
Just 3 of the last four...
Bill Steele
Nov 12, 2012, 3:03:29 PM11/12/12
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In article <k7j35r$raj$1...@news.xmission.com>,
If you change the marketing for McDonalds, eatingthere will still make
you fat. They need to change the actual product.
you fat. They need to change the actual product.
Kenny McCormack
Nov 12, 2012, 3:49:04 PM11/12/12
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In article <ws21-17ED43.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Yes - and well put. Good example.
McD's food, cigarettes, and the Republican party all fit in the category of
things that are intrinsically evil - and no amount of marketing can fix
that. But the B-school mindset is that anything, no matter how evil, can be
marketed - that enough marketing will always do the trick.
>They need to change the actual product.
My thesis that they can't do that. It is not possible, since the whole
theme of the party is catering to the 1% - their source of money. If they
changed the product to make it less toxic to the 99%, the 1% would stop
funding them. That's the problem with having a fundamentally rotten
ideology; there's no way to fix it.
--
They say compassion is a virtue, but I don't have the time!
- David Byrne -
McD's food, cigarettes, and the Republican party all fit in the category of
things that are intrinsically evil - and no amount of marketing can fix
that. But the B-school mindset is that anything, no matter how evil, can be
marketed - that enough marketing will always do the trick.
>They need to change the actual product.
theme of the party is catering to the 1% - their source of money. If they
changed the product to make it less toxic to the 99%, the 1% would stop
funding them. That's the problem with having a fundamentally rotten
ideology; there's no way to fix it.
--
They say compassion is a virtue, but I don't have the time!
- David Byrne -
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