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Tracey12
Nov 8, 2012, 10:17:25 AM11/8/12
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REUTERS/Gary Cameron
By Louis Charbonneau
UNITED NATIONS | Wed Nov 7, 2012 6:48pm EST
(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
global conventional arms trade.
U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks
collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican
rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the
pact, a charge Washington denies.
By Louis Charbonneau
UNITED NATIONS | Wed Nov 7, 2012 6:48pm EST
(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
global conventional arms trade.
U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks
collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican
rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the
pact, a charge Washington denies.
Tracey12
Nov 8, 2012, 10:18:37 AM11/8/12
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wy
Nov 8, 2012, 10:32:55 AM11/8/12
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"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional
rights of our citizens to bear arms,"
Yeah, you missed it.
David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 10:35:37 AM11/8/12
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the price of weaponry. The thugs will still have their weapons, and they
will still kill and terrorize innocent people.
David Hartung
Nov 8, 2012, 10:38:18 AM11/8/12
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these matters.
Ramon F Herrera
Nov 8, 2012, 10:39:28 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 9:33 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
> I guess you missed this part of the article:
>
> "We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional
> rights of our citizens to bear arms,"
>
> Yeah, you missed it.
One always wonders whether his/her ignorance is genuine or pretend.
> I guess you missed this part of the article:
>
> "We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional
> rights of our citizens to bear arms,"
>
> Yeah, you missed it.
http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Great-Dividers.jpeg
-Ramon
Ron
Nov 8, 2012, 10:43:31 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 9:18 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Full Story:
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A...
Tracey.....read your own citation:
"Ten FEMA centers in the area reportedly SUSPENDED (not terminated)
operations because of the storm, although the location with the sign
at the Mount Loretto Community Center did open at noon."
You forgot to note that the local fire departments were hampered in
their efforts to extinguish fires in the affected areas. Bad weather
does not allow you to picnic and sunbathe at the beach.
Whadda' simpleton you are...........and a classic Chicken Little.
Mother of Pearl !
> Full Story:
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A...
Tracey.....read your own citation:
"Ten FEMA centers in the area reportedly SUSPENDED (not terminated)
operations because of the storm, although the location with the sign
at the Mount Loretto Community Center did open at noon."
You forgot to note that the local fire departments were hampered in
their efforts to extinguish fires in the affected areas. Bad weather
does not allow you to picnic and sunbathe at the beach.
Whadda' simpleton you are...........and a classic Chicken Little.
Mother of Pearl !
Tracey12
Nov 8, 2012, 11:08:34 AM11/8/12
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wy
Nov 8, 2012, 11:15:37 AM11/8/12
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you've got a Repugnant Congress there to obstruct things, as usual, so
you're safe.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 11:19:44 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 9:33 am, wy <w...@myself.com> wrote:
leftist gun-grabbing judges on the Supreme Court. You poor, pig
ignorant Canookian shut-in, useful idiot. !!
wy
Nov 8, 2012, 11:20:35 AM11/8/12
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things a bit difficult for thugs. They should just have free rein in
being able to purchase whatever weapons they want and however many
they want in order to still kill and terrorize even more innocent
people than they otherwise might've with controls? Anarchy is what
it's all about for you, right?
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 11:22:24 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 9:43 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
feces/piss stained boxers, torn wifebeater shirt, tapping away on your
mommy's keyboard giving Bush a total pass if he were still POTUS.
Idiot !!
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 11:29:23 AM11/8/12
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>
What the fuck do you think Obama's Fast&Furious fiasco was all
about? Now that your Messiah doesn't have to worry about reelection
he'll crawl in bed with the UN and make it nearly impssible for an
American to own a firearm.
> - Show quoted text -
GOOD !! Although Boehner has ALREADY extended the "bi-partisan" olive
branch to Obama, let's see how long it takes Dear leader to contact
Boehner so they can "work together". You really are a kool-aid
guzzling useful idiot(or you play the role like a pro).
http://arklatexhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=282542
Willard Twitt Romney, LOSER
Nov 8, 2012, 11:35:23 AM11/8/12
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On 11/08/2012 11:29 AM, Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
You mean the Fast&Furious that started in 2006? Exactly how did SENATOR
Obama start it?
You are one stupid loser :)
Obama start it?
You are one stupid loser :)
wy
Nov 8, 2012, 11:41:17 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:29 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
Why don't you tell us what it was all about, brainiac? And apply that
to the purpose of the treaty to see if you really know what you're
talking about. I won't hold my breath.
to the purpose of the treaty to see if you really know what you're
talking about. I won't hold my breath.
Joe Cool
Nov 8, 2012, 11:44:53 AM11/8/12
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wy
Nov 8, 2012, 11:44:55 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:19 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
Ya just gotta love Repugnants for being pro-gun death and anti-life,
yet they'll scream bloody murder over abortions, claiming that life is
sacred - sacred enough to send young men to their deaths in
meaningless wars started for no good reason by Repugnants. Do you
guys even know what you believe in or do you just mindlessly mouth off
pointless sound bites and think you're actually saying anything of
substance?
yet they'll scream bloody murder over abortions, claiming that life is
sacred - sacred enough to send young men to their deaths in
meaningless wars started for no good reason by Repugnants. Do you
guys even know what you believe in or do you just mindlessly mouth off
pointless sound bites and think you're actually saying anything of
substance?
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 11:51:38 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 10:35 am, "Willard Twitt Romney, LOSER" <r...@puke.org>
wrote:
> You are one stupid loser :)- Hide quoted text -
http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/10/01/gunrunner-fast-and-furious-timeline/
Gunrunner: Fast and Furious timeline
Read the entire article and you'll have your answer. Btw, why did
Obama claim Executive Privelege when Issa demanded the Whitehouse's
F&F records and e-mails if his hands are clean?
http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html
How Could Fast And Furious Have Been Used To Promote Gun Control?
Main Page
First of all, what follows is speculation based upon what we know at
this point. Obviously, I believe it is reasonable speculation - but
you will have to make up your own mind.
Clearly this is a failed operation - no matter what the goal was. It
failed because it became known that US Border Patrol Agent Brain Terry
was killed with one of the guns ATF shepherded over the border. This
was the last straw for some very brave line ATF agents who worked with
people in the gun rights community to make the facts concerning this
operation public.
WHAT IF THE ABOVE NEVER HAPPENED? What if Brain Terry was never
killed? What if the agents did as they were told and kept their mouths
shut?
Clearly the operation would have continued to pump guns into Mexico,
and ATF execs wold have continued to track their recovery at Mexican
murder scenes. At some point ATF would drop the hammer. I believe that
they would then have arrested the smugglers, the straw buyers, AND THE
COOPERATING GUN DEALERS.
The administration would then say: "Here's the proof. 'Assault Rifles'
are flowing from these evil gun dealers to cooperating smugglers and
they are killing hundreds in Mexico" We need a ban on these guns NOW.
They would have something they don't have now: "Proof".
But you say, "The gun dealers would make it clear that they were
cooperating with the ATF". They might try, but consider these
possibilities:
1) What are their lawyers going to tell them? Keep your mouth shut and
let us defend you in court. Even if they did get word out, who is
going to believe people facing hundreds of felony counts?
2) The mainstream media, which is vehemently opposed to gun rights,
would have hyped the ATF/DOJ version of the facts relentlessly.
3) ATF and DOJ would have lots of time to destroy or alter records to
cover their tracks. Do you really think that people who sent guns to
Mexican criminals, knowing that they would be used to kill people,
would not do this?
4) A trial would take years. Faced with "we can find no record of any
cooperation agreements" as the response from DOJ - and perhaps a very
generous plea deal in exchange for testifying against the smugglers -
the gun dealers might plead guilty. If not, they might be convicted at
trial. Even if they were found not guilty, it would still take years.
5) Armed with evidence that "thousands of Mexicans are dying because
we don't have an Assault Weapons Ban" the push for new laws would
begin. It would not take long to swing a few votes and get it to
Obama's desk. No matter if it is unconstitutional, one more
appointment to the Supreme Court will invalidate the 2nd Amendment
anyway.
Goal achieved, new "Assault Weapons" ban passed.
Again, the above is speculation. What follows is fact:
1) Within weeks of taking office, the Obama administration began
pushing for a new "Assault Weapons' ban. Both Sec. of State Clinton
and AG Holder were involved. Almost immediately their case falls apart
when their "90% lie" is exposed and 67 House Democrats send a letter
to Holder telling him such a bill is DOA in the House. So, they were
stopped by two things: Lack of public support and lack of solid proof
that US guns from the retail market were fueling the violence in
Mexico.
2) Almost immediately the Fast and Furious operation begins to pump
gun from US gun shops into the hands of Mexican criminals. Every one
of these guns has a paper trail leading directly back to a US retail
outlet - something they obviously did not have in large numbers prior
to this.
3) One might think that given what they have been caught doing, the
administration would back off calls for more gun control - especially
in an election year. Not so. This is what Eric Holder said before the
US House Oversight Committee in February of 2012: "This administration
has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban.
It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to
the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a
positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in
Mexico."
In other words, he is still repeating the same lies with the same
goals even after the administration was caught sending thousands of
the very guns he wants to ban to Mexican cartels who used them to kill
hundreds. His arrogance is amazing.
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
You ever get your info from anyplace besides MSNBC and Current TV??
> - Show quoted text -
http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/10/01/gunrunner-fast-and-furious-timeline/
Gunrunner: Fast and Furious timeline
Read the entire article and you'll have your answer. Btw, why did
Obama claim Executive Privelege when Issa demanded the Whitehouse's
F&F records and e-mails if his hands are clean?
http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-and-batfe.html
How Could Fast And Furious Have Been Used To Promote Gun Control?
Main Page
First of all, what follows is speculation based upon what we know at
this point. Obviously, I believe it is reasonable speculation - but
you will have to make up your own mind.
Clearly this is a failed operation - no matter what the goal was. It
failed because it became known that US Border Patrol Agent Brain Terry
was killed with one of the guns ATF shepherded over the border. This
was the last straw for some very brave line ATF agents who worked with
people in the gun rights community to make the facts concerning this
operation public.
WHAT IF THE ABOVE NEVER HAPPENED? What if Brain Terry was never
killed? What if the agents did as they were told and kept their mouths
shut?
Clearly the operation would have continued to pump guns into Mexico,
and ATF execs wold have continued to track their recovery at Mexican
murder scenes. At some point ATF would drop the hammer. I believe that
they would then have arrested the smugglers, the straw buyers, AND THE
COOPERATING GUN DEALERS.
The administration would then say: "Here's the proof. 'Assault Rifles'
are flowing from these evil gun dealers to cooperating smugglers and
they are killing hundreds in Mexico" We need a ban on these guns NOW.
They would have something they don't have now: "Proof".
But you say, "The gun dealers would make it clear that they were
cooperating with the ATF". They might try, but consider these
possibilities:
1) What are their lawyers going to tell them? Keep your mouth shut and
let us defend you in court. Even if they did get word out, who is
going to believe people facing hundreds of felony counts?
2) The mainstream media, which is vehemently opposed to gun rights,
would have hyped the ATF/DOJ version of the facts relentlessly.
3) ATF and DOJ would have lots of time to destroy or alter records to
cover their tracks. Do you really think that people who sent guns to
Mexican criminals, knowing that they would be used to kill people,
would not do this?
4) A trial would take years. Faced with "we can find no record of any
cooperation agreements" as the response from DOJ - and perhaps a very
generous plea deal in exchange for testifying against the smugglers -
the gun dealers might plead guilty. If not, they might be convicted at
trial. Even if they were found not guilty, it would still take years.
5) Armed with evidence that "thousands of Mexicans are dying because
we don't have an Assault Weapons Ban" the push for new laws would
begin. It would not take long to swing a few votes and get it to
Obama's desk. No matter if it is unconstitutional, one more
appointment to the Supreme Court will invalidate the 2nd Amendment
anyway.
Goal achieved, new "Assault Weapons" ban passed.
Again, the above is speculation. What follows is fact:
1) Within weeks of taking office, the Obama administration began
pushing for a new "Assault Weapons' ban. Both Sec. of State Clinton
and AG Holder were involved. Almost immediately their case falls apart
when their "90% lie" is exposed and 67 House Democrats send a letter
to Holder telling him such a bill is DOA in the House. So, they were
stopped by two things: Lack of public support and lack of solid proof
that US guns from the retail market were fueling the violence in
Mexico.
2) Almost immediately the Fast and Furious operation begins to pump
gun from US gun shops into the hands of Mexican criminals. Every one
of these guns has a paper trail leading directly back to a US retail
outlet - something they obviously did not have in large numbers prior
to this.
3) One might think that given what they have been caught doing, the
administration would back off calls for more gun control - especially
in an election year. Not so. This is what Eric Holder said before the
US House Oversight Committee in February of 2012: "This administration
has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban.
It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to
the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a
positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in
Mexico."
In other words, he is still repeating the same lies with the same
goals even after the administration was caught sending thousands of
the very guns he wants to ban to Mexican cartels who used them to kill
hundreds. His arrogance is amazing.
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wy
Nov 8, 2012, 12:56:23 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:51 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/10/01/gunrunner-fast-and-furious-t...
extreme right wingnut element?
>
> Gunrunner: Fast and Furious timeline
>
> Read the entire article and you'll have your answer. Btw, why did
> Obama claim Executive Privelege when Issa demanded the Whitehouse's
> F&F records and e-mails if his hands are clean?
>
> http://reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/hillary-eric-wikileaks-a...
> Gunrunner: Fast and Furious timeline
>
> Read the entire article and you'll have your answer. Btw, why did
> Obama claim Executive Privelege when Issa demanded the Whitehouse's
> F&F records and e-mails if his hands are clean?
>
>
> How Could Fast And Furious Have Been Used To Promote Gun Control?
> Main Page
You mind providing legitimate sources that don't skew the story to the
> How Could Fast And Furious Have Been Used To Promote Gun Control?
> Main Page
extreme right wingnut element?
Tracey12
Nov 8, 2012, 1:31:10 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:16 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
Yes.
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
> >the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
> >debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
> >global conventional arms trade.
>
> Still okay with raygun selling arms to Iran, eh?
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
> >the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
> >debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
> >global conventional arms trade.
>
Yes.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 2:20:33 PM11/8/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, and you rose colored glasses wearing, kool-aid guzzling OboDroids
> - Show quoted text -
will fight to the death to protect the life of a self admitted mass
murderer on death row or for the right of a woman to murder the
essence of innocence in her womb because she was too fucking lazy to
take birth control pills, and you defend to the death for the right of
a doctor to let a newborn infant that managed to survive an abortion
simply lay there and die. But, on the other hand you'll fight to the
death to deprive me of my Constitutional right to own a firearm becuse
some jungle african gangbanger used a stolen weapon to murder his
fellow gang banger in a turf war. Tell us, hows that gunfree Chicago
and Washington DC murder rate working for you panty wearing, ankle
biting OboDroids ??
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 8, 2012, 2:25:25 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:16 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
> >the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
> >debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
> >global conventional arms trade.
>
> >the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
> >debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
> >global conventional arms trade.
>
> Still okay with raygun selling arms to Iran, eh?
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Are you OK with Obama giving arms to mexican drug lords to murder
innocent mexican civilians by the hundreds and Border Patrol agents?
Are you OK with Obama watching on live feed as our Ambassor to
Benghazi is raped and murdered along with two American heroes, then
denied them military help as they fought for their lives for 7+ hours?
Of course you are. It's Obama's fiasco's so he gets pass.
George Kerby
Nov 8, 2012, 2:39:29 PM11/8/12
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George Kerby
Nov 8, 2012, 2:40:23 PM11/8/12
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On 11/8/12 10:44 AM, in article
3ba04dac-6ae0-413d...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com, "wy"
Tracey12
Nov 8, 2012, 3:42:44 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 10:44 am, Joe Cool <joecool1...@live.com> wrote:
> Makes absolutely NO mention of Obama coming after anyone's guns, you pathetic clueless babbling fucking asshole moron.
So you expect a UN treaty on gun ownership to say that Obama is going
> Makes absolutely NO mention of Obama coming after anyone's guns, you pathetic clueless babbling fucking asshole moron.
to allow UN thugs to impose said law on Americans?
So often you simply don't have a clue about politics. Why do you read
this group?
duke
Nov 9, 2012, 7:51:08 AM11/9/12
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The dukester, American - American
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You can't fix stupid.
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duke
Nov 9, 2012, 7:52:14 AM11/9/12
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country.
duke
Nov 9, 2012, 7:53:37 AM11/9/12
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:16:25 -0700, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:17:25 -0800 (PST), Tracey12
><tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
>>the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
>>debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
>>global conventional arms trade.
>
>
>>(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected,
>>the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew
>>debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion
>>global conventional arms trade.
>
>Still okay with raygun selling arms to Iran, eh?
Reagan?? He freed the captives.
Willard Twitt Romney, LOSER
Nov 9, 2012, 2:40:51 PM11/9/12
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a
series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and
2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project
Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico
by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United
States.[6] "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the
ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to
illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel
leaders."
Of course this isn't from some frothing at the mouth right wing whine site.
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