Steve Kangas?
Maynard Lee
class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
find on the Web?
Thanks.
Maynard Lee
alohacyberian
on me but I was always up to his game. They called me Kangasrue.
"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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George Johnson
He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building and later
clumsily covered up to appear as a suicide. Certainly not the first murder
committed by Richard Mellon Scaife and most likely not the last (well until
the cocaine transportation industry is put to extinction). Considering the
Corporate Monarchy is planning to leave America to poverty, an artifical
Police State, a huge mass-murder despot regime, and then embark to
developing China.when the pipeline is actualized it matters little in the
next decade.
America's only hope is rid ourselves of these self-appointed Royal
Tyrants and take the smart path back to freedom.
As for the rest of the matter.
http://www.google.com/search?&q=Steve+Kangas
GOOGLE [ Steve Kangas ]
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/tenets.htm
A Mirror of Steve's Website
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Aboutme.htm
About Steve Kangas from his own fingertips.
http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/kang-ev0.html
(The web page has much better text formatting that I can supply in a USENET
post)
Evidence of Kangas' murder.
Who killed Steve Kangas?
Case overview
Steve Kangas was found dead on the 39th floor of his enemy's doorstep at
11:30 PM on February 8 1999. In the bathroom of the offices of Richard
Mellon Scaife, 2000 miles from home, -- in Pittsburgh PA. Shot (twice?) in
the head. Due to obstructions of justice, local police investigating the
wrong circumstances quickly ruled it a suicide. There are over 1000
heated Usenet posts on this topic, dated from eleven days after his death.
How did he die?
It seems much too messy for a pre-meditated hit. And too quiet for a
political suicide stunt. And his death was far outside the depressed and
paralyzed suicidal person's profile -- on a long trip? -- it's just not
done. Suicide is normally done in, or close to the rut of daily life.
Suicide counselors often recommend; "Take a long trip, and now! Break out!"
It fits just right for a scuffle or the flared temper of a cold and mean man
who owns the town and a small private army of "security". Of course,
anything is possible, suicide is too. But what fits best?. Where does
logic and reason lead us if we toss aside the preconceptions that have been
skillfully laid for us from the very first day? We shall explore one range
of possibilities that one path takes us. I say "we" in part because this
path is evolving quickly even now among the political newsgroups, in a huge
battle between liberals and neo-conservatives. It is now mid May, 1999.
What is the entrance to this path we will follow?
1) It's based on the fact that Scaife and/or his employees had fouled the
police investigation within hours to suggest a "closed case" random suicide
by concealing or withholding critical information.
2) It's also based on the fact that Scaife's Tribune-Review tabloid attack
articles were so unfactual, and such an obvious smear that ALL information
from them has been rejected.
3) It's based on the assumption that there was a real reason for the Scaife
tabloid's news black-out, the eventual risky lies, the Kangas smear,
Scaife's nation-wide investigation, and the obstructions of justice. That
is; we assume that these were not merely the frivolous ravings of a paranoid
mean-spirited man, -- nor a mere haphazard coincidence -- as the police and
mainstream press seems to have assumed as the only realistic premise.
Even if Scaife is a paranoid mean-spirited man, this is hardly a rational
defense.
If we establish those assumptions, only a few possibilities remain. I
intend to establish them as reasonable and realistic assumptional
foundations that no complete investigation should ignore.
It seems that if not for Usenet/Internet, the police would have long ago
closed the case on a "random suicide by a random out-of-state drifter." In
fact, that's what they quickly concluded within hours, and that conclusion
stuck, it became an assumption unchallenged by anyone outside of Team Scaife
for the next five weeks.
But, Scaife's cover-up and his news black-out of his relationship with Steve
Kangas was revealed by the boiling of dozens of ever angrier netizens in the
political debate newsgroups of Usenet, and the sharp-eyed police spotted it
on the front page of the Pittsburgh newspaper, the Post-Gazette.
But the cover-up bought Scaife time. The police, unaware of the
Scaife-Kangas connection never made a criminal investigation. The Pittsburg
Police did not request the Las Vegas Police to search Kangas's home. During
all this time Scaife had sent a private investigator traveling the country.
Scaife's employee entered and searched Steve's home and smeared Steve's name
to witnesses long in advance of any police investigation. If Steve had any
material worth being killed for, the police have little chance of ever
finding it now.
Police now claim the investigation has been widened to include Scaife. The
same friendly police department that has been routinely stationed in front
of the billionaire's home providing him with "security" for decades.
However exposed, Scaife's cover-up did succeed for five weeks, it's been
cleaned up, and the body cremated. And Steve's name has been smeared with
womanizing, pornography, theft, drunkenness plus a murder attempt by
Scaife's famous dirt-manufacturing propaganda mill. In fact, despite the
fact that Team Scaife's cover-ups, meddling and steering of the evidence
from the very first hours to insure a suicide verdict have recently come to
light, the press as of mid-May still continues to unhesitatingly assume
suicide.
This is not a banner most people would care to fight under. The squeamish,
the gentle, the "reputable" need not apply, nor did they. While smearing
the enemy is a common tactic, it's just not polite. Even if nobody really
believes that garbage, the knight in shining armor has been successfully
destroyed, tainted.
That's the power of first-information, of first-assumption. Perhaps Team
Scaife has learned a few tricks of mind bending over the last three decades?
It's what they do. High-dollar "spin" is their claim to fame.
Underestimating that power might be an error.
"To truly know a man, learn what he takes for granted."
The players:
Steve Kangas.
Ex army intelligence, a Doctoral Candidate at UC: Santa Cruz in economics
and political studies. His book was almost completed, and was working with
a publisher. Once president of the local chess club in Santa Cruz for
several years. Net presence: 1600 Usenet posts found on DejaNews.com, a
double award winning political Web site with over 300 html pages. His most
popular page was on the Great Depression: 75,000 hits. The Web site was
also a "one-stop-shop", -- an armory -- of liberal oriented arguments,
facts, charts and tables to be used in debates against popular
neo-conservative myths. (Yet while many liberals blame the great recession
of '82-'83 on Reagan, Steve Kangas argued strongly that Reagan had nothing
to do with it.) Above all, Steve Kangas was a truth-seeker. See his
AboutMe.html.
In the jungle of Usenet political debates he was known for his calm
reasonable arguments and facts, even when outrageously provoked. Few could
touch him, and even now the rabidly attacking neo-conservative vultures on
Usenet cannot present a credible, reasonable argument against his undefended
Web site. "I don't like it", is the sum of their arguments before resorting
to the ad hominem fallacy.
I've experienced a Web Warrior's death before, we knew the the dreaded death
dance of the mean-spirited was coming, we try to get through it as best we
can, but I think everybody feels dirtied by it, and by who we have to
associate with. I'd like to thank those who manage to stick with it, and
apologize to Steve's loved ones for not always meeting Steve's high
standards in this mess.
Richard Mellon Scaife.
Grand master of propaganda. Bored billionaire. Many consider him to be
the hub of Hillary Clinton's "vast right wing conspiracy." He's largely
responsible for the "Vince Foster murder conspiracy theory." Some even say
Ken Starr was his toady.
MUCH more, for example,
Quoting TIME MAGAZINE, 21-FEB-99
New Rules Of The Road
* ...outsiders and scandal prospectors of every kind,
* from the anti-Clinton tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife
* to the freelance spider Lucianne Goldberg
* and the Jupiter of sleaze, Larry Flynt. "There's a
* cottage industry of digging up dirt and slinging
* mud," says Kyle McSlarrow, chairman of Quayle
* 2000.
End quote
Quoting TIME MAGAZINE, 10-FEB-99:
Crazy and In Charge
*Brilliant tycoons have had a
*tendency to get eccentric, or worse
*...acute that he lived out his later years in
*double-insulated, soundproof rooms. As for Scaife,
*he spent some of his Mellon family megabucks
*(Alcoa, Mellon Bank) to buy a suburban newspaper,
*give it a Steel City moniker and publish an
*unending string of kooky conspiracy theories
*centered on the Clintons.
End quote
So Scaife and his tabloid have a reputation as dirt-slingers and known for
kooky conspiracy theories. According to the May 3 Washington Post, Scaife
"has given at least $340 million to fund a `war of ideas' against American
liberalism." That is, he finances propaganda and propaganda mills.
He owns the Greensburg Pa. Tribune Review tabloid, home of the Vince Foster
murder conspiracy. According to the Washington Post, Newsweek, and other
publications, Yale expelled Scaife for drunken brawling and breaking the
legs of a classmate with a beer keg -- he is known to be a petty bully, to
hold a grudge, to assume everybody wants to steal from him, and either you
are for him, or you are his enemy. Most people who know him don't think
he's particularly bright. And believe it or not, according to his
ex-employees, he's an obsessively cheap bastard too, such as in one case, he
personally rejected laundry and valet expenses for an employee conducting
Scaife's business while traveling in Vietnam.
Mean 2, adj; 1. inferior in grade, quality or character.
2. low in station rank or dignity. ...5. small minded
or ignoble. 6. Stingy. 7. Offensive or selfish.
--Syn. common, plebeian, petty, squalid, contemptible,
low, base, vile, coarseness, vulgarity, cowardice,
moral depravity, disgusting foulness, niggardly.
--Ant. superior, exalted, important, generous, liberal.
See the TIME archives for much more about Scaife at
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/ or,
http://search.newsweek.com/
keyword: Scaife.
Or my pertinent summery and extractions from the May 3 '99 Washington Post
front page article on Scaife, his mean streaks, history, and personality.
Steve Kangas said much of the same, and more about Scaife at:
http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/L-clintonrightwingconspiracy.html
and Scaife is also mentioned on one other of Steve's 300 html pages there,
and they are linked.
See also SCAIFE-O-RAMA!! at: http://members.aol.com/fszamazon/scaife3.htm
Rex Armistead
Armistead among other things is the famous private investigator used by
Scaife to dig up dirt on President Clinton and Steve Kangas. He was paid
$250,000 for one job. Rex Armistead was aided by Scaife's Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review reporter Richard Gazarik and Steve's grieving parents eager
for any information to fill the terrible vacuum. His mother now seems to
regret being used that way. The Tribune-Review published some of the
sleaziest dirt jobs you will find in any tabloid -- against Kangas. Below,
you will see how one witness (Steve's mom) was mysteriously manipulated into
telling lies about her son. Propaganda and mind bending. It's what they
do.
Robert Esh
Steve's father, Robert Esh seems to be in the Armistead-Scaife camp. Yet he
calls himself a conservative Christian. Robert Esh said; "It wasn't that we
were at odds with each other or fighting, but that he'd kept some distance
because his belief system was different than ours." [cough] Steve
Kangas changed his last name to his mother's maiden name.
Even in death, Robert Esh seems to be trying to control his son's mind.
He attempted to cancel Steve's Web page because he disagrees with it. And
as of mid April, Esh is attempting to demand that mirror sites of his son's
include a 2-1/2 page letter of his; "explaining" things and criticizing his
son's politics while cheapening Steve's beliefs. It is seemingly without
irony that he signs that statement "The father of a much-loved Prodigal Son
that never came home." Mr. Esh has been telling people not to "bother" his
former wife and Steve Kangas' mother, Jan Lankheet, he wants her out of the
loop. (Yet it appears he does not have executorship of Steve's estate(??))
Jan Lankheet
"He was a happy guy. He had plans for this summer," said his mother, Jan
Lankheet, who lives in Michigan and whose Christmas card inviting her son to
visit last year was in his knapsack when he was found dead. When informed
that Steve's Web friends had constructed six mirror sites of Steve's Web
site, and one had been paying his bills there, she was pleased: "There's
something to be said for that. Now that he's dead, may his work live on
after him."
Don Adams
Don Adams and his associate are the pivotal eye-witnesses in this case. It
was reported that Adams is a building engineer and he found Steve Kangas in
dire need of help. When he returned Kangas was mortally wounded. If Don
Adams actually is the building engineer, and not related to Scaife
"security," and actually was making routine checks when he found Kangas, and
was telling the truth, this (alone??) fixes Kangas' time of death, and
drastically limits the possible scenarios. But as we will see, there are
several major discrepancies here, and it just smells fishy. In this case, I
have come to trust my nose. A lie detector test would resolve most of the
obvious questions this case presents.
The FBI
The FBI's jurisdiction includes any case involving a reasonable possibility
of interstate transportation in a crime, or if local authorities may be
biased or incompetent.
There is a historically cozy relationship between the Mellon/Scaife dynasty
and the police, and indeed, with Pittsburgh. Also, the local police did
investigate the wrong case for over a month.
So this is FBI's jurisdiction, but the FBI doesn't go "cruising for crime,"
a concerned principal in this case must "file a formal complaint." Nobody
has.
The Internet
Web Warrior killed.
Cover-up and obstruction of justice predicted, detected and exposed.
An anonymous truth-seeker is paying to keep his site open, and there are
several mirror sites now in place.
It's not just zeros and ones anymore.
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First an overview, from Usenet. Keep in mind, this is largely how we saw
it at the time. A few more facts and corrections keep coming to light, ever
confirming our predictions.
Subject: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
overview, from Usenet:
Subject: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
From: see.m...@theBeach.edu (Doug Bashford)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:55:13 GMT
on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 (Flaagg) wrote:
about: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
>I R A Aggie writes:
>>Why hasn't the Clinton News Network would have been
>>blaring this from the rooftops for months?
Bashford:
I don't know them. But some guesses? Perhaps they just
don't know about it. It's received a television piece in
L.A., and about 6 newspaper articles across the nation,
mostly right-wing, not much publicity.
But perhaps more importantly, when I said Scaife was a
Grand master of propaganda and information-bending, that was
not hyperbole. I'm in awe of the man. His cover-up
and news black-out lasted over a month. By then the police
had concluded suicide and the body cremated. But more
importantly, Scaife sent Rex Armistead P.I., and one of the
reporters from his tabloid out to smear Steve Kangas during
all this time.
Not a pretty picture. Armistead is the famous dirt-digger
used against Clinton, and various multi-million dollar covert
operations. Against Steve Kangas, Web Warrior!???
[snip]
Below is part of the team sent to smear Kangas under the
guise of an "investigation":
22-Mar-99 excerpt from Salon magazine:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/04/cov_20news.html
** Starr deputy met with
** Scaife private investigator
** LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Deputy
** Whitewater independent
** counsel W. Hickman
** Ewing Jr. has quietly met several times during the
** course of his investigation with a private eye
** employed by conservative philanthropist
** Richard Mellon Scaife, according to two federal law
** enforcement sources. One Whitewater investigator
...
** official files of the independent counsel. The law
** enforcement official called the meetings between
** Ewing, who is Starr's chief deputy in Little Rock,
** and the private investigator, Rex Armistead, "either
** the worst case of judgment or something worse."
** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
** according to sources and documents.
....
Scaife's tabloid's (Tribune Review) hit-piece was ugly.
** , to investigate and discredit President Clinton
For example, that Kangas was found with a copy of
Hitler's Mein Kampf when he was found. It was in all the
news. Steve's Web friends never believed it. Just a few days
ago, it turns up that Steve's very own mother was the source
of that lie. Now she just doesn't know where she got that
idea, and she's angry. Well, Armistead took both Steve's
mourning parents under his wing. Dad is seemingly still
Rex Armistead's toady.
Is that brilliant, or what?
At any rate, it's all about propaganda and epistemology.
Steve can no longer be seen as a knight in shinning armor.
Scaife painted him as a womanizing drunk loser thief Nazi.
Limbaugh had a field day with it. Who will carry that
banner into battle? It's not polite.
>Because nobody cares?
>Just a guess.
Ya....so it seems....
http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/ Kangas's Web site.
Links about Kangas' death:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jpg40/sk/kangas.htm
-- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com--
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The below series of Usenet posts includes most of one thread from the
hundreds on Usenet news about the Kangas case.
Subject: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
The original thread has 18 replies and can be found along with all the rest
of them on www.dejanews.com; keyword: Kangas.
Some of the redundant quoting of previous replies has been removed (over 1/3
of the total volume) since this can be read at one sitting, and is not
stretched over a week's time. While it could use more editing, to remove
the redundancies caused by time and my posting to many discussions
simultaneously, I've left it pretty much intact, there are little details
that I fear to remove. I've highlighted some of the major points or concepts
in color or bold for those who prefer just to skim this.
Included below you will find
some of the discrepancies in this case,
some of the more plausible theories,
evidence of a professional anti-Kangas troll,
and the chronology, who knew what when,
that police might still not know about. Because the political newsgroups
are basically debate forums, the weaker possibilities have been weeded out,
yet perhaps some good ones were not noticed. Indeed, not even all the major
questions I have, nor what I see as key evidence is addressed here.
The basic structural flaw in all of this is: Nobody wants to talk about
this, we only know what we read in the newspapers. A foundational flaw.
Yet that picture might be better than what some of the principal players
knew. After all, Usenet knew about the news blackout and Scaife's
involvement a month before the police did. And while we suspected Hitler's
Mein Kampf was a plant, we thought a physical book was found. It never
existed.
What's startling is how many of the theories that might on the surface
appear to have been extracted out of thin air have only been confirmed as
the facts became known. Prediction is the strongest indicator of
understanding. Before the March 14 newspaper articles, there were basically
no facts. The first newspaper article to hit Usenet was the
Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead smear job of Steve Kangas in Scaife's Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review tabloid.
There was a powerful sucking sound as that obvious hatchet-job filled the
information vacuum. The Scaife-Armistead-Tribune-Review propaganda team
were practiced in the game of exploiting that terrible empty vacuum, the
confusion, and human vulnerability caused by the unexpected death of a loved
one from the Vince Foster case.
In any situation where there is a factual vacuum, one quickly recognizes
that there are an infinite number of possible explanations. The trick is to
falsify as many as possible, then see which pieces can be assembled into a
picture. From there we compare the several pictures to see which of those
most closely fits our understanding of reality. I hint at one or two of
those reasonable plausibilities here.
My conclusion? This case needs to be investigated by an objective third
party such as the FBI. I think even a surface investigation will answer
these questions. Going out on a limb, specifically:
1) Don Adams and cohort should be investigated, and/or given a lie detector
test.
2) The coroner and detective that night also.
It's that simple.
While the rest of the discussion is in chronological order, I moved this
next article from the bottom to the top of the thread because it's important
to understand the chronology of this case. Particularly if Scaife is to be
charged with obstruction of justice. It was cut and paste from another
thread, then modified to conform with my notes.
Chronology
====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT
This debate defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
One guy gives a Scaife tabloid version, and I fill
in the gaps.
on Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:00:09 -0500,
about: Re: Why Did Dick Scaife MURDER Steve Kangas?
>Treb 'or, auditioning wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar, Rob Robertson wrote:
>> >Treb 'or wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 26 MarRob Robertson wrote:
>> >> >The Scaifes had never met, seen or heard of Mr. Kangas. They
>> >> >became aware of his anti-Scaife sentiments only through his
>> >> >Web site, after his death."
Treb 'or wrote:
>> >> Then why did Scaife change all the locks in his
>> >> office immediately after Kangas was murdered?
Rob Robertson wrote:
>> > the locks
>> >were added to the public area restrooms after it was discovered
>> >that a Scaife-obsessed homicidal/suicidal maniac had holed up in
>> >there for several hours.
Bashford:
There is no evidence he "holed up" there. That's another
unsupported Scaife tabloid assertion.
Treb 'or wrote:
>> you just proved my point. How
>> did Scaife known Kangas was a 'Scaife-obsessed ...maniac',
>> as you put it, before he even knew who Kangas was? As you indicated,
>> Scaife must have known Kangas' politics from the beginning, and he
>> could only have known that if he'd 'met' (and murdered) him that day.
Rob Robertson wrote:
> Pay close attention;
Yes, I'll add what you left out of your timeline:
>1) Kangas commits suicide on the 39th floor of One Oxford Centre.
Bashford:
1B)
Kangas died late on Feb 8, and
his body was moved to the coroner's office on Feb 9.
Scaife's minions were questioning Steves's Web
friends on that same date, asking about "leads to friends,
former friends or employers." Of course shocked, his
friends were very talkative, wanting to help.
That evening Scaife's reporter, Rich Gazarik "informs"
Steve's friend Mike Huben that Kangas comited "suicide"
and that he had found Huben by reading Steve's Web site.
I assume Gazarik had first noticed
the Scaife page, -- it's far more obvious. Scaife
withholds all resulting information of the Kangas-Scaife
connection (not a random drifter) from the police for five
weeks.
1C)
Epiststemology: Mike Huben "knows" that Steve
Kangas commited "suicide" and was "drunk".
As this news spreads via e-mail, Steves's Web friends at first
think "investigation" is a cruel hoax after email to Scaife's
reporter, Rich Gazarik, is not returned. Something smells
fishy. That odor will grow.
==================
insert from Private Email: Date: Fri, 12 FebThe below is spooky. Almost
everything here seemingly went up in smoke.. Like it had been wiped of
fingerprints. Is this series just another coincidence?. It very well could
be. If not, what could explain the erie lack of useable evidence?
Armistead's "investigation?" No doubt. Bad luck? Some...but....
>This is bad news. Considering that there are some
>serious loony toons among our opponents, the chances
>of foul play are high.
...
But Steve's body was found on the 39th floor of an office building,
which seems a little bit odd. And all the way out in Pa.
I would bet that something brought him to Pa. other than
thoughts of suicide.
He was a writer so it is likely that he was researching
material there.
Can someone post the exact date of his death?
I would like to try and find a few details.
If the office building had a name, such as Rayburn Bldg,
that may also help.
Given the above circumstance, and that the deceased is
from out of town, there would not be a very complete
investigation unless there was strong forensic evidence
to prompt one.
What the people who are closest to him need to do is;
At his home/office check his e-mail and correspondence.
See if he was corresponding with anyone in the area of his
death.
Check his schedule book, or program, and see if there were any
appointments to meet people in the area of his death.
Do a word search on his hard disk for the State, town and
hotel he died in. Include [....]
CHECK HIS PHONE BILLS FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS!!! Look for long
distance calls to the area of his death. Also cross reference
Check his credit card statements, where had he used his credit cards.
Check all his cancelled checks, see where he wrote checks.
How did he get to Pa.? Did he drive or take a plane, train or bus?
Where is his car? The contents of the car need to be gone through.
Especially look for cash register receipts dropped on the floor, under
the seat, etc. These would show the date, time and location of
purchases, even at a McDonalds.
Also the contents of his pockets, wallet, etc. would also be
checked for the above material.
The odds are that the police in the town of his death would do
none of the above if they can close the file as a suicide.
They would also not request the police in Steve's hometown
to check these things unless they had evidence of foul play
to begin with.
If anybody is in contact with the people close to Steve and [....]
=====================
>2) Run-of-the-mill story about depressed drifter killing himself.
Yes, four days after Kangas's death, a 46 word story
in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
But the Scaife tabloid, the Tribune-Review has
a news black-out on Kangas in effect.
That's what Steves friend's saw: nothing.
Nobody on the Web could find that story with standard
search engines.
>3) Kangas' bizarre Scaife-obsession is discovered.
Why the coverup by Scaife's tabloid??
NOT ONE word, even though (SCOOP!) they knew within
36 hours? Two pages out of 300 is hardly an obsession.
TIME and Newsweek mag each did more articles more on Scaife
this year alone.
>4) Investigation, detailed stories, and bathroom lock change follows.
oooops! and police are STILL NOT notified.
Is that a felony? It is if a murder attempt is
was made but not reported. And obstruction of
justice? You bet. But why?
Feb 13...My e-mail to kang...@resurgent.com bounces back.
He was just using it on Usenet a few days before he died.
Who pulled the plug? When? Was Steve's Presario server
there, operated remotely from his apartment as he had
planned? If so, who got it?
Our Web investigation begins and e-mail
flys as recognition that Scaife may be behind this dons:
"Isn't Richard Mellon Scaife from Pittsburgh?"
================================
insert from Private Email, Tue, 16 Feb 1999Subject: I hope I am being
paranoid now, but ... >I think whoever called is pulling a scam. From the
way [name]
>described it, it sounded like they wanted as much info on Steve
>as they could get.
>
>If it's a scam, they are willing to play dirty. You, be
>careful what you say about Steve to anyone you aren't at
>least reasonably familiar with. Steve's safety could be
>riding on it.
...what was the name of the Pittsburgh newspaper where the
reporter called you again?
I ask because Richard Mellon Scaife's newspaper is in Pittsburgh.
I sincerely hope this is a paranoid question and that we will be
able to laugh at my paranoia at some point if it is.
If it isn't just my paranoia,[....]
=================================
5) Death finally confirmed by calling coroner's office
on on 2/18. They report the police have "closed the file"
on the Kangas case. Web friends stunned: not a hoax.
On 2/20 Steve's death is mentioned in one of the Politics
threads of Salon's Table Talk forums in conjunction with
Scaife's foundation HQ.
2/23, 46-word obit by Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, of February 12,
discovered, mentioning One Oxford Centre.
Web friends confirm that One Oxford Centre is Scaife's HQ
from a Congressional letter addressed there.
I ask, "Who's Scaife?..duh..."
"This is getting real weird, we need to call the FBI."
6) Web begins to boil, for example:
* >on Fri, 19 Feb "Milt" wrote
* >about: Kangas on the VRWC:
* >>In honor of our friend, Steve Kangas,
* on Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:16:34 GMT,
* (Studebaker Hawk) wrote:
* about: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death...
Would Scaife's news blackout and cover-up have
continued indefinitely without the Web involvement?
7)
Scaife now has some MAJOR explaining to do. His random
drifter ploy is not sticking. It's about to blow.
How can the Grand master of Conspiracy and Slur spin this?
Below is how those on one Newsgroup saw the Kangas issue.
Other newsgroups have the same theme.
The red bracketed numbers are the number of replies in a "thread".
8)
March 14, the news blackout blows. Three articles published
in Pittsburgh, some picked up by AP. Usenet interest in
this explodes.
Scaife's Murder Conspiracy and Slur of Kangas saturates Usenet:
9)
March 17, Quoting Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, headline:
Police seek to question Scaife in man's suicide
[...]
* Deputy police Chief Earl Woodyard said police who
* investigated the shooting at the time were unaware of any
* potential connection between Kangas and Scaife.
* Woodyard said police are "taking a second look at the
* possibility" Kangas might have traveled to Pittsburgh to
* confront or attack Scaife. "Everything points to a
* suicide, but the article in the Post-Gazette brought up
* all these connections. We were not aware of his past
* involvement with the Internet or the liberal
* organizations."
* Detectives "are going to interview Mr. Scaife, if he'll
* submit to an interview," Woodyard said.
[...]
* According to Woodyard, detectives might also be interested
* in talking with Rex Armistead, a Mississippi private
* detective who has traveled the country in search of
* information on Kangas' background. Armistead previously
* had worked as an investigator on the so-called "Arkansas
* Project," which Scaife funded on behalf of the American
* Spectator magazine. The project was launched in Clinton's
* first term to dig up negative information on the
* president's background.
> Do try to keep up. >Rob Robertson
Yes. Do that.
Stay tuned.
Up next, some epistemology on this. Scaife is
good, real good....
-- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com--
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc, alt.society.liberalism,
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Subject: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 GMT
In 36FD1C36...@dev.null
on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
about: Re: Kangas' Web Site STILL remains Unrefuted.
"Tom Potter" wrote:
>> >Because of the class warfare kind of brainwashing
>> >that is common in the Public Education Monopoly,
>> >rather than going out and competing in a free and open market,
>> >the mind of Kangas was filled with hate for the people who
>> >were successful in the free market, so that when he did not
>> >succeed in the free market, rather than try, try again,
>> >he bought a gun, and engaged in his own little class war.
Doug Bashford wrote:
>> Oh. So you think wild speculation stated as fact
>> is valid, do you? Ok. He was murdered by the man
>> who hid his relationship with Kangas for a month
>> from police. The same man who slings hate, slander
>> and disrespect with the full force of his ample powers. Funny
>> heroes you guys seem to worship.
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
There's plenty.
> Also there is no evidence that Richard even had
>the slightest idea that Kangas existed.
I suppose that Scaife's newspaper and Armistead started
their investigation within 36 hours of Kangas's
death without Scaife's knowledge? Within
36 (perhaps sooner, I don't know) there was an
investigation underway, and Kangas's friends and
Web friends were being questioned by Scaife & Co.
Too bad for Scaife. He should be charged with
obstruction of justice, at minimum.
So Duane, why would a respectable man hide this
relationship from the police for a month? Don't
you find his news blackout a bit odd? After all,
the real newspaper in town ran a 46 word obit four
days after Kangas' death. Two days AFTER Scaife's
tabloid began it's intensive investigation.
Why did Scaife hide from the police?
Why did his tabloid cover for him?
>Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
Would you like some more? There's plenty.
-- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com-- Middle-of-the-road extremist.
- Dear Politicians:
- Seek to increase individuals' wealth and freedom
- rather than stimulating the gross economy. Consider abundance
- and wholeness instead of so-called; "economic growth".
- Growthmania consumes what it promises. Ecology delivers.
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From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
Date: 28 Mar 1999 06:10:21 GMT
Doug Bashford wrote:
> Why did Scaife hide from the police?
> Why did his tabloid cover for him?
>
> >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
>
> That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> Would you like some more? There's plenty.
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
All you have provide here is not a lick of proof, only speculation. And
the biggest lie is about Richard hiding from the police, hell they were
there on day one. If you had the slightest idea about the duties of a
bodyguard, you would know that any apparent threat is to be thorough
investigated, and there is no law that states this investigation has to
be reported to the police. Who knows which Kangasite will be waiting and
where to finish what Kangas failed in his attempts to off Richard. It is
called common sense, not proof of murder. Your ideas are completely full
of holes.
Cordially,
Duane K. Kelly
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From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:50:33 GMT
In 36FDC7D3...@dev.null
on 28 Mar 1999 06:10:21 GMT,
"Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
about: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
>Doug Bashford wrote:
>>
>> In <36FD1C36...@dev.null>
>> on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>> That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
>> Would you like some more? There's plenty.
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>All you have provide here is not a lick of proof, only speculation.
Bashford:
You don't read too well do you? I said it was
not proof, just evidence. And I didn't post
speculation, just facts and the questions
that logically follow from them.
But if you see speculation there, who could blame you?
The questions raised are self evident.
> And the biggest lie is about Richard hiding from the
> police, hell they were there on day one.
But Scaife was hiding, wasn't he?
It's fact. There was a newspaper headline a month later because
police had only then learned of the Scaife-Kangas connection.
Perhaps you would care to assert that Scaife just forgot to
tell the police?
>If you had the slightest idea about the duties of a
>bodyguard, you would know that any apparent threat
>is to be thorough
I don't give a rat's ass what P.I. Rex Armistead did.
I'm talking about Scaife.
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From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:32:15 GMT
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 GMT, see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug
Bashford ) wrote:
>Why did Scaife hide from the police?
>Why did his tabloid cover for him?
>
>>Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
>
>That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
>Would you like some more? There's plenty.
jv...@usa.net (Van) wrote:
There are also the new burglar alarm system Steve Kangas bought, the
server he bought and the domain name that he registered in
anticipation of a huge increase in web traffic to his political page.
Verifiable facts. There is also that bullet found in the clothing
store of a ground floor shop at One Oxford Centre. There are many
loose ends that will probably never be tied up. But Occam's Razor and
the Law of Parsimony don't favor any simple suicide theory no matter
how the Daunes on these lists slime their tales.
Van
******************************************
Steve Kangas Mirror Site
http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
The truth lives on
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It seems we may have a professional troll below?
This debates Scaife's tabloid articles:
Subject: RE: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:06:16
Van wrote:
> the Law of Parsimony don't favor any simple suicide theory no
> matter how the Daunes on these lists slime their tales.
> Van
"Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
This is true, it was not and is not a simple suicide case, it was a
foiled assassination attempt by Kangas to murder Richard Scaife. The
action of Richard after the foiled attempt, the investigation Kangas to
find out who he was, and if there is more just like him is justified as
a security measure, a measure that you claim Kangas made prior to his
leaving LV, yet you justify one, and claim the other is an admission of
guilt. (Can you say double standard?).
With all the people that Kangas stole from in LV, $30,000 by his
own admission to his former employer. (which he lost by the way
attempting to start an S&M web site), how much more did he steal
from employers, or owe in gambling debts to the mob
in LV? I would say the new alarm system was in
regards to a fear of retaliation from the mob over gambling
debts, or a disgruntled employer or "business partner". As for
Kangas's "new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear
he could not afford being his room mate had to sell as
compensation to pay Kangas's share of room rent that was
several month pass due. Then there's the thousands of dollars
that Kangas expected from his popular uprising in contributions
that never materialized. Instead, he had to sell his car
to even afford the 9mm he shot himself with, and purchase a bus
ticket to Pittsburgh with only $14 and change left to his name.
How depressing for Kangas,
all of you Kangasites had most surely let him down... or did
he blow all the contributions on wine, women, and gambling debts?
If Richard knew who Kangas was, why did it take over 72 hours to find
out who his friend were and to start questioning them? If he had
known who Kangas was or viewed him as even the slightest threat his
investigators and security team would have been there in less than 24
hours, not 72. Security personnel are a whole lot more thorough than
that concerning know threats, or possible threats, and all this
information would have already been compiled. Been there, done that,
I know the procedure.
Therefore, the implication that the beefed up security and the
investigation into Kangas life is some sort of admission of guilt,
or that Richard has something to hide is the dumbest of all
accusation I have heard from any Kangasites with the
exception of the out and out lie by Gail
claiming Kangas was shot twice with a shotgun IN Richards
personal bathroom. (This alone proves that the Kangasites
will lie when the truth would answer better in a bleak effort
to coverup the assassination attempt bungled by Steve).
[note: Gail has publicly denied claiming Kangas was shot
with a shotgun, and lack of evidence strongly suggests
that she did not. -db]
Speaking of lies, BTW Van, the shop mentioned where the bullet hole was
found was not in, or a part of the One Oxford Center as you claimed.
"Near" is not the "ground floor shop at One Oxford Centre" as you so
kindly twisted it.
"Police also will examine any possible link between Kangas and a bullet
slug that Woodyard said was discovered near one of the One Oxford shops
around the same time Kangas killed himself."
http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990317scaife4.asp
It's a big city, with lots of people, and no connection between the two
have been linked. It was merely a cautionary investigation, and prove
that the Police Department had done a very thorough investigation. The
bottom line is still suicide. Time of discovery and time of occurrence
as to when the bullet actually penetrated the window, could just as
easily been days or weeks. (You act as if Kangas had the only 9mm in
town or the first time one was discharged in the city limits. You all
must not get out very often).
Cordially,
Duane K. Kelly
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From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:09:52 -0500
Van wrote:
> Law of Parsimony as stated by William of Ockham
>
> Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
>
> Van
Any reference to this parrot as a going concern is null and void.
Cordially,
Duane K. Kelly
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Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:21:23 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:09:52 "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
wrote:
>Any reference to this parrot as a going concern is null and void.
>
As dumbass Duane tries to cover his ignorance with bluster. It's like
trying to cover a pile of shit with a cocktail napkin. His next
routine is to smear the dead....sing song.
Van
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From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:54:55 GMT
ooops, sorry not much new evidence in this post.
Just a little overview perspective.
michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) or is it Mike Kelley
or is it Duane K. Kelly us...@dev.null
or some other Scaife toady Wrote:
>X-Complaints-To: ab...@worldnet.att.net
>Van wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 Doug Bashford wrote:
>>> on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
>>> >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
Bashford:
>>> So Duane, why would a respectable man hide this
>>> relationship from the police for a month?
Bashford:
You never answered, Duane, or Mike, or whom ever you are.
I notice you (and the other Kelly, (or is it Kelley?)?)
both seemingly materialized with the Scaife-Armistead tabloid
smear-job of Steve Kangas.
530 messages since. You've been a busy toady, Duane.
Why did I check on you? Because you exactly parrot the
Scaife tabloid. Then ooops! I did a search on kelly and
found he was the one who INTRODUCED the Scaife-Armistead
smear to Usenet. Mmmmmm....
Remember this next post quoting from Scaife's tabloid?
Extract:
??-
In <36ecaf7a.2053841@news> on Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:17 GMT,
Re: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death...
michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) wrote:
??- So much for the Web Warrior.
??-
??- From;
??- http://www.triblive.com/news/rkan0314.html
??-
??- Tribune Review Regional News - March 14, 1999
??-
??- Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life
??-
??- By Richard Gazarik TRIBUNE-REVIEW
??-
??- Last month, Steve Kangas of Las Vegas bought
??- a 9mm pistol, a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey
??- and a bus ticket to Pittsburgh.
??-
??- It would be a one-way trip.
??-
??- Almost immediately after arriving on Feb. 8,
??- Kangas went to One Oxford Centre. He walked
??- around inside the towering office complex for a
??- time, then hid out in a public restroom on the
??- 39th floor.
??-
??- Nine hours later, drunk to the point of
??- incoherence, Kangas shot and killed himself in
??- the restroom - on the same floor as the offices
??- of Richard M. Scaife, the publisher of the
??- Tribune-Review and a nationally known backer of
[chop]
Bashford:
What a smear....if he'd drank 2/3 as much, he could
have legally driven. But wait. This tale was concocted a
month after Kangas died. Is it just a random and expensive
smear of a "nobody" lefty? Or just the ravings of a crazy
paranoid? What real (economic theory) purpose might it serve?
("crazy" Time magazine 10-FEB-99)
Follow the money, I say.
>>> Why did Scaife hide from the police?
>>> Why did his tabloid cover for him?
>>> >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
>>> That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
>>> Would you like some more? There's plenty.
Van wrote:
>> There are also the new burglar alarm system Steve Kangas bought,
>> the server he bought and the domain name that he registered in
[...]
A gun and burglar alarm purchased about the same time?
What do they have in common, a critical man might ask.
Defense. Of what? Something very valuable?
Does Rex Armistead's intensive search come to mind about now?
> This is true, it was not and is not a simple suicide case, it was a
> foiled assassination attempt by Kangas to murder Richard Scaife.
Isn't failure to report attempted murder a felony?
You are such a tabloid parrot. That's all you are,
isn't it? A paid Scaife toady and troll perhaps?
$12 an hour perhaps? An old Usenet trick first documented
in the IBM/Apple wars. Paid trolls.
Ok, Duane. Back up your slander.
I've been patiently backing up my assertions. With TIME
or Salon magazine or a real newspaper's quotes. What do
you have besides the Scaife sleazy tabloid? And his AP
feeds. Nothing?
> With all the people that Kangas stole from in LV, $30,000 by
> his own admission to his former employer.
1) Back up "stole", slanderer.
> (which he lost by the way attempting to start an S&M web site),
2) Support "S&M web site".
> owe in gambling debts to the mob in LV?
3) Support that wild assertion stated as fact.
Oooops... Can't do it? All you have is the word of
sleazy tabloid with 1/10 the circulation of the Fresno Bee?
("sleaze" TIME magazine Feb 21 1999)
> I would say the new alarm system
> was in regards to a fear of retaliation from the mob over gambling
> debts, or a disgruntled employer or "business partner".
Oh, would you now!? Well your unsupported postulations
certainly need serious consideration, don't they?
> If Richard knew who Kangas was, why did it take over 72 hours
> to find out who his friend were and to start questioning them?
Good point! It didn't take 72 hours.
But the police NEVER did. Why?
> If he had known
> who Kangas was or viewed him as even the slightest threat his
> investigators and security team would have been there in less
> than 24 hours, not 72.
It took less than 36 hours (see above). Will a reputable man
like you call me a liar for 1/2 day?
[NOTE: later checking: it did take less than
24 hours for Gazarik to question Huben. --db]
> Security personnel are a whole lot more thorough than
> that concerning know threats, or possible threats, and all this
> information would have already been compiled. Been there,
> done that, I know the procedure.
So it seems. 24 hours was a pretty good guess!
Ooops.
> that Richard has something to hide
> is the dumbest of all accusation
It's hardly accusation there, pal. It's documented fact.
Perhaps you would care to posit that Team Scaife just "forgot"
to notify the police that the police didn't have a clue? That
they were investigating a random suicide when it was not?
That even by YOUR words it was attempted murder!?::
> it was a foiled assassination
I believe failure to report that is a felony.
THAT, my friend IS evidence. No, not proof.
Have the police pressed charges?
No? THAT, my friend IS evidence.
Call in the FBI.
> "Police also will examine any possible link between Kangas and
> a bullet slug that Woodyard said was discovered near one of the
> One Oxford shops around the same time Kangas killed himself."
> http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990317scaife4.asp
Ah yes, THAT article. A month after Kangas dies, they
write:
Police seek to question Scaife in man's suicide
* Wednesday, March 17, 1999
* By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
* Pittsburgh homicide detectives want to question
* conservative philanthropist and publisher
* Richard Mellon Scaife in a widening
* investigation into the death of a man
* who shot himself outside Scaife's offices at One Oxford
* Centre.
* A deputy police chief said interest [Image]
* in the death of Steve Kangas was Prior article:
* renewed following published reports ....link....
* in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Death sparks
* revealed that Kangas, a former Army conspiracy theory
* intelligence officer, had published
* articles on the World Wide Web
* accusing Scaife of backing a [Image]
* right-wing conspiracy against
* President Clinton. Detectives now want to know if Scaife
IOW, Scaife had successfully hid the Kangas/Scaife connection
for over a month! Oooops...it wasn't a random suicide??
If they had known that Steve Kangas had died on his
enemy's door-step, (or even a friend's,) they would have
investigated a whole new world...
> Duane K. Kelly
Or is it michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) or is it Mike Kelley
or is it Duane K. Kelly? Michael Kelley or Mike Kelley? How
about Duane K. Kelley? Michael K. Kelley? Jeepers, not
Rich Gazarik!? laughingggg! It doesn't really matter.
A toady by any name is still....
Anyway Duane (may I call you that?), the reason I wrote
this silly ad hominem article is that it seems like it's
the only way to deal with those whose only argument is
ad hominem. At least Right Wingers seem to consider it
valid. In the future,
I expect I'll give you the intellectual and logical credit
your "arguments" deserve and utterly ignore your posts.
-- Douglas bashford
ironic quote of the day by:
Kelly Freehold Anderson,
in an attempt to get your home address,
Owner: Duane K. Kelly wrote:
"Here at Kelly Freehold we have a very firm belief, there
are those that like to hide and yell great obscenities while
pretending to be great... then there are those who will
stand up and be counted. Those that are not afraid to
stand up like a man...."
and think for themselves, not merely parrot
with out independent facts nor logic the thoughts
of their peers....
========
[note: that was the last we heard from "Duane K. Kelly" --db.]
other evidence & ideas...
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From: mcg...@otter.mbay.net (Donald R. McGregor)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:04:31 GMT
In article <37058a67....@news.psnw.com>,
Doug Bashford wrote:
>>but the PC in question was a Compaq Presario,
>
>Citation please.
Dejanews, Kangas' post.
--
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mcg...@mbay.net | is a real superiority of mind, pride will be
| good regulation" --Mr. Darcy, _Pride &
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From: shea_...@deja-news.com (shea_...@deja-news.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:19:09 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar, "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
>"new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear he could not
What do you think a "server" is, generally?
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From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:33:43 GMT
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:19:09 GMT, shea_...@deja-news.com
(shea_...@deja-news.com) wrote:
>What do you think a "server" is, generally?
Duane's obviously in over his head with an anchor for a life raft.
His next move will be to scandalize the dead.
Van
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From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:54:53 GMT
Van wrote on 30 Mar 1999 19:15:21 GMT
[huge chops]
Bashford quoting Salon magazine:
** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
** according to sources and documents.
Bashford:
>THAT is what is being used against Web warrior Steve Kangas.
Rex Armistead must be very "talented" indeed.
Beware of stereotypes.
>> Because the Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead tabloid article was such an
>> obvious hatchet-job and smear of Steve, I have chosen to disregard
>> From that I see three possibilities:
>> 1) Steve committed suicide.
>> 2) Steve met with Scaife (all facts and logic lead to this).
>> 3) Steve was caught with his hand in the files. (holes, but
Van:
>*the case. I think your interpretation, that Scaife met with
>*Steve Kangas in the afternoon is the most plausible. I don't
...
>*Scaife to come in and take a whizz is simply ludicrous. A
>*question I'd like to know is whether Scaife has private security,
>*ie., body guards and if so, have they been questioned.
Bashford:
Scaife has a reputation for being paranoid. I've heard it
said that only Pres. Clinton has better security. I doubt
that. So draw your own conclusions. From what I've seen
of Scaife's slanderous tabloid, that alone would warrant security.
Indeed, I'm surprised you have not concluded that Rex Armistead
is a big part of security as well as propaganda. I have.
>* The fact is Steve was
>*seen on surveillance cameras coming into the building in the afternoon
>*and he disappeared until seen in the bathroom outside of Scaife's
>*offices late at night.
That is a fact. Also the camera system was spotty. From that,
I can draw no conclusions, other than the fact you stated.
However his observed behavior is consistent with wandering
about till an appointment. Perhaps he went sight-seeing.
Perhaps he had a few drinks with Scaife later.
Others have insinuated the tapes were doctored. I have
utterly nothing to base that on, so I disregard it.
>* Another question I'd like to know is whether
>*Scaife has living quarters in the building. The building is
>*listed as a building with both. >*Van
I think an executive washroom, a bed, a wet bar, and a
small wardrobe, minimum, would normally be assumed for an office
of any executive of Scaife's stature, (paranoia,) and means.
>> Again, an FBI investigation would clear this up. My focal point
>> would be: who is "building engineer Don Adams"? All assumptions
>> rest on him. Give him a lie detector test.
>
>And if he dies or disappears? Or refuses a lie detector test?
>Who here will call that coincidence?
Newspaper quote:
>++ According to the police report, Kangas made eye contact
>++ with Adams, who asked him, "Are you OK?" The report said
>++ Kangas mumbled something and Adams told him to stay put
>++ and he would get help.
>
> "stay put and he would get help."
That would corroborate the blood Adams spotted then.
Some think he had already been shot once, others think
he was being worked over and surprised, others just
don't believe Don Adams.
The question remains, why did Kangas need help?
>++ Adams told police he went outside to radio for a
>++ colleague. When the men returned, they found Kangas fully
>++ clothed, sitting on the toilet, covered with blood.
[To *RADIO* for help? Who is Don Adams?
Maintenance or security?]
>>>*+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>*A routine check of electrical circuit breakers????
>>>*Say what!?
>>>
>>>++ building engineer Don Adams was making a
>>>++ routine check of electrical circuit breakers in the men's room
>>>++ down the hall from the Scaife foundation offices when he found
....Kangas in dire need of help.
>>*There is no routine check of such circuit breakers.
>>*I worked for [named] Electric Power Company for 15 years.
Ooops.
More evidence and logic to come.
-- Douglas bashford
========
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Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:23:16 GMT
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:20:50 -0500, "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
wrote:
>"shea_...@deja-news.com" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
>>
>> >"new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear he
>> >could not
>> What do you think a "server" is, generally?
>
>The hardware, and software. Personal Computers (PC) can double
>as a server, though prone to crashing, and security breaches,
>and a very poor substitute.
You say....and it's only a red herring at best. "Clear that
he could not" turns magically into "can double as" as if you're
saying something besides just trying to cover your own ignorance.
What next....going to smear the dead some more?
There's Duanes ass and there's a hole in the ground -- and poor Duane
is left scratching his head trying to figure which is which. You
might learn to read and try to know at least a little about a subject
before you post.
Van
****************************************************
Is NT server 4.0 right for me?
Author: Steve Kangas
Date: 1998/10/07
Forum: microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup
"Help!" cried the newbie.
I am about to launch a high-traffic website. My ISP has told me I
can co-locate my own personal server at his location to handle
the website. For my server, I have bought a Compaq Presario
5020, with 128 megs of RAM, 6 gigs of disk space and a
Celeron 300 processor. I have yet to configure it.
I am now looking for appropriate server software. Would
Windows NT Server 4.0 with ISS be suitable, considering
all the above?
I'm also going to use FrontPage to design the website. Does
NT server 4.0 come with all the appropriate FrontPage
extensions or CGI to run FrontPage, or do I have to add that
myself? (Specifically, I'm wondering about all the usual
capabilities -- counters, discussion lists, chatrooms, built-in
email messages, etc.)
Also, I'll be operating my server remotely from my house. What
are the licensing issues involved? Do I need only one license?
What about the thousands of people who visit my site on the
Net?
MS literature seems really lame addressing these issues --
perhaps you guys can give clearer and better information.
Thanks in advance,
Steve
********************************************************
******************************************
Steve Kangas Mirror Site
http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
The truth lives on
******************************************
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From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:50:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> TIME MAGAZINE 23-JUL-97
> "Richard Mellon Scaife, agitator
> "If conservative thinkers like Bill Bennett and Paul
> Weyrich are the brainpower behind the resurgent
> American right, the horsepower comes from
> Richard Mellon Scaife. For close to four decades,
> the 64-year-old Pennsylvanian has used his
> millions to back anti-liberal ideas and their
> proponents.
> ----------end quote
A "Scaife" search of the TIME archives will find words like
"crazy", "rabid", "kooky", "Larry Flynt" and "sleaze"
to describe Scaife or his Pittsburgh tabloid. Check it out.
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/
Bashford:
> There are now hundreds of Usenet articles, perhaps 50 threads
> regarding the mysterious death of liberal Web warrior Steve
> Kangas. Was it suicide, murder, a foiled burglary or a foiled
> murder? To me, the most logical is a meeting gone bad.
> Perhaps the billionaire found something he could not buy.
> Right Wing icon and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife
> has launched a smear campaign against Kangas with his Pittsburgh
> newspaper and infamous (see Ken Starr) investigator, Rex Armistead
> and is sniveling because the competing Pittsburgh
> newspaper has written some contrary articles questioning the
> death of Kangas. All this after a month-long news blackout
> while Usenet was buzzing about this issue. It's interesting
> to check Dejanews and watch some vague ideas crystallize
> as the facts become known. And it's revolting to watch
> Steve's enemies escalate Steve's going to strip joints into
> being a pornographer, etc, out of thin air.
> From the competing paper, the Post-Gazette:
> http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990314suicide1.asp
>
> ++ Headline: Death sparks conspiracy theory
> ++ Sunday, March 14, 1999
> ++ By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
>
> ++ A former Army intelligence officer shot himself to
> ++ death last month in a restroom outside conservative
> ++ philanthropist and publisher Richard Mellon Scaife's
> ++ Downtown offices, and Scaife has assigned a private
> ++ investigator to determine whether the incident was a
> ++ bungled assassination attempt.
>
> ++ [Image]++ Steven R. Kangas died in the
> ++ Steven R.++ late hours of Monday, Feb.
> ++ Kangas++ 8, on the 39th floor of One
> ++ ++ Oxford Centre.
>
> ++ The shooting of the 37-year-old Las Vegas man attracted
> ++ little attention at the time, and Pittsburgh police and
> ++ the Allegheny County coroner's office quickly ruled it a
> ++ suicide.
In fact, now we know why. Scaife hid his relationship
with Kangas from the police for a month, even while Scaife's
minions, Rex Armistead and Rich Gazarik had
in less than 36 hours launched his smear campaign against
Kangas and was questioning Kangas's friends and Web friends.
That Kangas may have died three to six hours before it
was reported is at this point pure speculation.
The Post-Gazette continues:
> ++ Since then, though, the Internet has churned with
> ++ speculation about Kangas.
>
> ++ For the past month, according to Kangas' friends and
> ++ family, Mississippi private investigator Rex Armistead has
> ++ traveled the country, trying to learn what interest Kangas
> ++ might have had in Scaife.
Funny the police were not aware of Scaife's involvement.
The police investigated it as a random suicide by an
aimless drifter. So guess what they concluded?
> ++ Kangas had recently sold his share of a gambling business
> ++ in Las Vegas, and he ran the "Liberalism Resurgent" page
> ++ on the World Wide Web. The page published extensive
> ++ criticism of conservatives, and some of its writings
> ++ asserted that Scaife was the financier of a right-wing
> ++ conspiracy to topple President Clinton.
> [chop, end quote]
>
> One "conspiracy" idea:
> 1) Steve's purchase of a gun and burglar alarm are also consistent
> with guarding something very valuable, including self.
> 2) Scaife hid the Kangas-Scaife connection for a month from
> the police.
> 3) Scaife is acting irrationally regarding the Armistead thing.
> A quick investigation might have been rational.
> 4) Armistead has been given permission to open Steve's mail,
> documents, etc by the family. (I assume Steve's email and
> Website too.)
> 5) Steve said he was going to collect some money from two people.
> 6) Scaife's Gazarik newspaper smear of Steve seems to have been
> fed by Armistead's "facts".
>
> It appears to me that Scaife is searching for something, and he
> has a legitimate cover for this search. There are other
> scenarios postulated regarding these curious facts on Usenet.
> Why an expensive and rabid investigation/smear of a
> "nobody"?
Indeed. The same force Scaife normally uses against Clinton,
et al. On Kangas? Why?
from:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/04/cov_20news.html
[chop]
** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
[chop]
THAT is what is being used against Steve Kangas.
> Because the Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead newspaper article was such an
> obvious hatchet-job and smear of Steve, I have chosen to disregard every
> word there an go instead by the three other (are there more?) articles
> published by the reputable Pittsburgh newspaper. ( For example, I
> disregard the slur that Steve was hiding in the restroom for hours.)
> From that I see three possibilities:
> 1) Steve committed suicide.
> 2) Steve met with Scaife (all facts and logic lead to this).
> 3) Steve was caught with his hand in the files. (holes, but plausible)
> Again, an FBI investigation would clear this up. My focal point
> would be: who is "building engineer Don Adams"? All assumptions
> rest on him. Give him a lie detector test.
And if he dies or disappears? Or refuses a lie detector test?
Who here will call that coincidence?
Post-Gazette newspaper:
++ According to the police report, Kangas made eye contact
++ with Adams, who asked him, "Are you OK?" The report said
++ Kangas mumbled something and Adams told him to stay put
++ and he would get help.
"stay put and he would get help."
++ Adams told police he went outside to radio for a
++ colleague. When the men returned, they found Kangas fully
++ clothed, sitting on the toilet, covered with blood.
>>*+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>*A routine check of electrical circuit breakers????
>>*Say what!?
>>
>>++ building engineer Don Adams was making a routine check of
>>++ electrical circuit breakers in the men's room down the
>>++ hall from the Scaife foundation offices when he found
>>*[...]
e-mail from: Kevin O'Connell lighton...@hotmail.com
http://members.tripod.com/~Kevin_OConnell
>*There is no routine check of such circuit breakers.
>*Unless you are checking for a specific problem those
>*things are installed and then ignored until a problem
>*occurs. I worked for [named] Electric Power Company
>*for 15 years. The first five of those years I was a
>*field worker in a trouble shooting section. Part of
>*my duties was assisting the lead worker checking customer
>*complaints. Part of what I did was to take the covers
>*off of the circuit breaker boxes and check the connections.
>*Even in commercial installations there is no reason to
>*take these things apart unless there is an actual problem.
>*...But for insurance and licensing reasons these checks
>*are performed by licensed electricians, not by the
>*regular maintenance staff.
[cough] Guess what that means?
Do we have a pattern here?
> on Sun, 7 Mar (milton brewster) wrote:
> about: Re: Steve Kangas Found Shot To Death In Richard Mellon Scaife's
> Bathroom
> >
> >Several of us have known for about three weeks that Seven Kangas,
> >a very well-known and thoughtful Usenet poster on many political
> >and economic issues, was found dead of a gunshot wound in the
> >Scaife Executive offices in Pittsburgh, PA. That's right: THAT
> >Scaife-- Richard Mellon Scaife.
> >
> >* * * * *
> >
> >Kangas was a Doctoral Candidate at UC: Santa Cruz and maintained
> >an extensive web site reporting his well-researched academic (but
> >readable) analysis of political issues important to Liberals,
> >Conservatives, Libertarians, Anarchists-- and just about anybody
> >who is interested in American Politics.
> >
> >His death is sincerely mourned by many of us. We also have many
[snip]
> > Many of us would like to
> >know a lot more than the conveniently hasty investigations of the
> >Pittsburgh Police and Coroners' office finally reported.
> >
> >I invite everyone to go to DejaNews right now, type in "Steve
...
> >milton brewster
> >In article , m...@netcom.com says...
> >> wrote:
[snip]
> Of over 300 well organized html pages, Scaife is
> mentioned in two.
>
> Kangas' multiple award winning Web site:
> http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/tenets.htm
> Kangas on Scaife:
> http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/L-clintonrightwingconspiracy.html
>
> -- Douglas bashford
====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT
This article defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
One guy gives his version, and I fill in the gaps.
[removed to top]
====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc, alt.society.liberalism,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.clinton, alt.cabal
Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:26:27 GMT
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT, see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug
Bashford ) wrote:
>
>This article defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
>Yes, four days after Kangas's death. But the Scaife
>tabloid has a news blackout on Kangas in effect. Web
>friends stunned. Not a hoax.
I wonder who talked to the family about cremation and on what
day this occurred. If the story had been reported in full
from the beginning, things may have taken a different turn.
Van
--
#E7D9CC 490080
Key words:
Steve Kangas, Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Mellon Scaife,
Steve Kangas, Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead, Mike Huben,
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
...
So that's one path that can be walked. Not delved into
were a great many things. Such as the differing accounts
Don Adams gave to police, the evidence that Steve Kangas may
have been shot twice, and perhaps twenty things that others
found important that I did not. There are also some
discrepancies, clues and hunches that we just don't
have the resources to
investigate, but are better left secret until the FBI get
involved. Evidence is too easy to destroy.
Also, I didn't mention the
heartbreak and frustration of his friends trying to contact
Steve's parents to offer condolences, their efforts to save
his Web site, nor the vast amount of time and energy people
spent doing the footwork, nor the times when everything
seemed to be a setup, or when we realized that we had
left a great security door unlocked, and it seemed we were
following all the wrong leads, perhaps bait in a tangled
Web. I don't want to do this again.
Since nobody in power seems to give a damn,
the only things that might change now are that
the failure to report a possible homicide
(Scaife's claim) is illegal, or that his obstructions of
justice were illegal in Pennsylvania.
And if so, will the Scaifeburgh authorities
follow up on it? Perhaps Steve Kangas
was right again.
Some links.
Web warrior
Steve Kangas's home page. There are also 6 mirror sites.
Steve Kangas' -- Liberalism Resurgent, some mirror sites:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/
http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/
http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent/
http://resurgent.virtualave.net
A letter from John Van Matre.
For all the newspaper articles and television
transcripts of the Kangas case in chronological order try
Jason Gottlieb's page.
My
summery and extractions
from the May 3 '99
Washington Post front page article on Scaife, his
mean streaks, history, and personality.
The full May 3 Washington Post article, Part two of a Scaife series
that expalains Scaife's history, powers and personality:
May 3 washingtonpost.com.
Salon magazine article 22-Mar-99 describes Scaife's
high powered dirt-digger, evidence contaminator, and witness-twister,
Taxes, why the Rich should pay more.
This page is: http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/kang-ev0.html
Starbuck
Steve Kangas, now there's a true American hero. He tried to tell the
truth about richard mellon scaife and his ilk. Some say scaife killed
him. He was writing a book soon to be published at the time.
His web site as it was the day he died.
http://home.att.net/~resurgence/
there is a lot of personal stuff about him on the web also
>
> Thanks.
>
> Maynard Lee
Mike Schneider
maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
"Mr." Steve Kangas was an irrational 'net flake who routinely spammed the
usenet group alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater with left-"populist"
conspiracy theories (of the "neutered" sort in which the old-line
free-masonry nazi "zionist corporate control" rubbish is reincarnated with
all "jew" references replaced with "republican"). Kangas blew his wad in
Las Vegas, bought a gun and a bus ticket with the last of his dough, and
headed off to Pittsburgh where the presumption among *reasonable* people
(read: not the two dipshits who've replied to you so far) is that he
intended to murder one Richard Scaife (publisher of newspapers who
editorial opinions "Mr." kangas disagreed with, and big player in Kangas'
conspiracy theories). Kangas was unable to secure access to Scaife while
wandering around the multi-story office building for several hours,
commenced drinking in a restroom, and blew his brains out on a commode.
The "Kangas-as-murdered-martyr" mystique is heavily promoted (despite any
compelling reason as to why the media mogul would be concerned with a
generic crank read by dozens, perhaps hundreds of people) on the internet
by the same lying weezils who were firmly nestled in the warm hairs of the
Presidential scrotum when it came to promoting the cover-up of the death
of Bill Clinton's lawyer Vincent Foster (a man found clutching a
spotlessly clean gun which was allegedly inside his mouth when fired, but
whose blood-spattered glasses were found nineteen feet from the corpse).
--
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Liberty/files/links.htm
Reply to mike1@@@usfamily.net sans two @@, or your reply won't reach me.
"Blood! Boobs! Swords! Snakes!"--fwfr.com four word film review of "Conan"
Billy Beck
maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>class.
You have *got* to be kidding.
>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
<guffaw>
>Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>find on the Web?
He was a commie flake who went screaming off the deep end.
"A paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology class."
Holy shit.
That's the most astounding evidence I've ever seen -- to date --
of the state of the so-called "academy". If *Kangas* is what it's
been reduced to, then things are far worse than I ever imagined.
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
George of the Jungle
You are clearly insane. You need help, man.
See the Ann Coulter quote in my .sig file. It certainly applies to you.
--
Ann Coulter writes that liberals are "savagely cruel bigots who hate
ordinary Americans and lie for sport." So true. Just read the hate speech
spewing from this "liberal", Omaha, NE's mhi...@radiks.net.:
"A flag-laden car might as well say "Fuckheaded Hypocrite on Board"."
12/19/01
"PUH-LEESE! The only job you can get is sucking repug cock and kissing
Dubcula's ass, and King Pineapple's already got THAT position secured."
12/31/01
"Hell, I'd even be satified at seeing *CB*'s or Pineassholes heads on a
stick!" 1/9/02
"Bullshit nothing, fucktard!" 1/9/02
"I've posted it before already weeks ago. Go fucking find it yourself!"
1/9/02
"That's funny. MY two rottweilers (Tyson and "Sam") just buttfucked your
little Aimee, and now they're dining on her carcass."
"George Johnson" <matr...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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George of the Jungle
bitterness, he got drunk on Jack Daniels, and blew his fucking brains out.
Good riddance.
Why don't you emulate him?
--
Ann Coulter writes that liberals are "savagely cruel bigots who hate
ordinary Americans and lie for sport." So true. Just read the hate speech
spewing from this "liberal", Omaha, NE's mhi...@radiks.net.:
"A flag-laden car might as well say "Fuckheaded Hypocrite on Board"."
12/19/01
"PUH-LEESE! The only job you can get is sucking repug cock and kissing
Dubcula's ass, and King Pineapple's already got THAT position secured."
12/31/01
"Hell, I'd even be satified at seeing *CB*'s or Pineassholes heads on a
stick!" 1/9/02
"Bullshit nothing, fucktard!" 1/9/02
"I've posted it before already weeks ago. Go fucking find it yourself!"
1/9/02
"That's funny. MY two rottweilers (Tyson and "Sam") just buttfucked your
little Aimee, and now they're dining on her carcass."
"Starbuck" <smir...@911.com> wrote in message
news:3D3A5DAE...@911.com...
msoja
posted:
Steve Kangas attempted to murder himself but managed to kill his
assailant in self defense, instead.
Mike Soja
Billy Beck
"George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote:
>Johnson,
>
>You are clearly insane. You need help, man.
>
>See the Ann Coulter quote in my .sig file. It certainly applies to you.
You re-posted one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two lines of
his nonsense just for *that*?
You're a *fucking moron*. You are the very picture of why
top-posting assholes should get thrown in the nearest river, you
completely incompetent idiot. God damn you neck-deep in a lake of
runny shit. *Fuck* you, you bullshit little punk.
George of the Jungle
The sometimes indeterminate propagation nature of Usenet, often makes
context through threading impossible to achieve. It is the way of things in
this asynchronous medium.
George Johnson's insanity needs to be repeated in order insure that it is
exposed. I want it to be perfectly clear that Johnson *is* insane without
giving him (or his defenders) the opportunity to claim I am quoting him out
of context.
In other words, in this case, I elected to retain his entire screed in my
response to retain context and to highlight just how far out of touch he is.
I'm sorry if it offended you.
--
Ann Coulter writes that liberals are "savagely cruel bigots who hate
ordinary Americans and lie for sport." So true. Just read the hate speech
spewing from this "liberal", Omaha, NE's mhi...@radiks.net.:
"A flag-laden car might as well say "Fuckheaded Hypocrite on Board"."
12/19/01
"PUH-LEESE! The only job you can get is sucking repug cock and kissing
Dubcula's ass, and King Pineapple's already got THAT position secured."
12/31/01
"Hell, I'd even be satified at seeing *CB*'s or Pineassholes heads on a
stick!" 1/9/02
"Bullshit nothing, fucktard!" 1/9/02
"I've posted it before already weeks ago. Go fucking find it yourself!"
1/9/02
"That's funny. MY two rottweilers (Tyson and "Sam") just buttfucked your
little Aimee, and now they're dining on her carcass."
"Billy Beck" <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Buck
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"George Johnson" <matr...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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Buck
We live in an age of plenty.
Why does it matter?
Know anything about servers?
Buck
"Billy Beck" <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
Spa...@dana.com
wrote like a right wing scumbag:
> He was a commie flake who went screaming off the deep end.
What kind of "flake" becomes a BURGERKING NARC, Beckie?
And writes this kind of Flakecrap
********************************************************
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:31:15 GMT, wj...@mindspring.com (Billy Beck)
>wrote like a right wing nut;
>>
>>Bec...@BurgerNarc.com wrote:
>>
>> You get one warning, Roselles: keep my name out of your rubbish,
>>or you know what's going to happen. I will burn this place down with
>>your name, address, and phone number all day long, no matter what. If
>>I end up bouncing posts off Mars to get 'em here, I will.
>
>Stick it up your ass, Beck you chickenshit little nazi.
>
>You haven't got the personal courage, or the intellectual integrity
>NOT to do it.
>
>It's all you really have left, isn't it?
Spa...@dana.com
wrote like a right wing scumbag:
> You're a *fucking moron*. You are the very picture of why
>top-posting assholes should get thrown in the nearest river, you
>completely incompetent idiot. God damn you neck-deep in a lake of
>runny shit. *Fuck* you, you bullshit little punk.
BWHAHAHAHAHA
Pot-Kettle black
=====================================================
*Try* it, you crappy little faggot bitch. Don't just sit there:
come try it.
I'll take your fuckin' life, instantly, and sleep like a baby.
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free/
Gandalf Grey
message news:3d3ab2dd$0$19831$4c41...@reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net...
> Steve Kangas was attempting to murder Sciafe. He failed, and in his
> bitterness, he got drunk on Jack Daniels, and blew his fucking brains out.
>
> Good riddance.
>
> Why don't you emulate him?
Do you ever come across an opposing viewpoint that you don't want put to
death, George? Freedom really rankles you Stalinist types, doesn't it.
ISO MAN
<ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
>Stalinist "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in
>message news:3d3ab2dd$0$19831$4c41...@reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net...
>> Steve Kangas was attempting to murder Sciafe. He failed, and in his
>> bitterness, he got drunk on Jack Daniels, and blew his fucking brains out.
>>
>> Good riddance.
>>
>> Why don't you emulate him?
>
>Do you ever come across an opposing viewpoint that you don't want put to
>death, George? <...>
Did you ever ask Gary Roselles that question, Gandlaugh?
"Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
freedom to not believe in Me and go your own way, but remember, if you
do, I'll cast you in the lake of everlasting fire."
---- Zepp, the Weasel Deity of A.S.L.
Winston Smith
> find on the Web? --Maynard Lee
"I left religion at age 12,
and conservatism at age 26,
to become the godless pinko
commie lying socialist weasel..."
-- Steve Kangas, DOA
Winston Smith
<matr...@voyager.net> wrote:
> "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> | I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> | class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> |
> | Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> | find on the Web?
> |
> | Thanks.
> |
> | Maynard Lee
>
> He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building...
Scaife should sue your sorry ass for liable. Kangas went there to murder
Scaife, and the drunken dipshit committed suicide after he was caught
drunk and lurking in the bathroom in Scaife's building on his floor.
Winston Smith
wj...@mindspring.com wrote:
> been reduced to, then things are far worse than I ever imagined.-Billy
They are teaching the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto instead of the
10 Ammendments to Bill of Rights.
J DeBerry
Billy Beck wrote:
Just wondering if he might be one of Scotties students. I suppose all of
his students couldn't attend his class he's holding in Russia on the proper
method
of harvesting potatoes. I shouldn't joke about Scotti though, perhaps for
the first time in his life he is actually doing something useful! As did
Kangas, if only
his followers would just follow his example as his intended for them to do!.
JGD
SemiScholar
wrote:
>So what?
>
>We live in an age of plenty.
>
>Why does it matter?
>
>Know anything about servers?
>
>Buck
Billy is in my killfile, so I don't see his posts any more. But I am
amused to see from the stuff that was quoted that he has continued in
his usual eloquent and elegant style of argument.
Maynard Lee
One question comes to mind however. Why was Mr. Kangas in the other
man's building? Did Mr. Scafe force him to go there?
Maynard Lee
"George Johnson" <matr...@voyager.net> wrote in message news:<3d3a5489$0$1425$272e...@news.execpc.com>...
marika
> "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote i
>
> clumsily covered up to appear as a suicide. Certainly not the first murder
> committed by Richard Mellon Scaife and most likely not the last (well until
> the cocaine transportation industry is put to extinction). Considering the
> Corporate Monarchy is planning to leave America to poverty, an artifical
> Police State, a huge mass-murder despot regime, and then embark to
> developing China.when the pipeline is actualized it matters little in the
> next decade.
>
> America's only hope is rid ourselves of these self-appointed Royal
> Tyrants and take the smart path back to freedom.
how come Pres Bush always gets so upset about Iran's leadership being unelectedd?
John T. Kennedy
<wj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>
>>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>>class.
>
> You have *got* to be kidding.
>
>>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
><guffaw>
This may be a reference to his status as The Uncle Of The Bookmarklet.
http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
-
John T. Kennedy
No Treason - A Journal of Liberty
http://www.no-treason.com/weblog/
ISO MAN
<semis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:37:30 GMT, "Buck" <Bu...@BottomlessPit.Net>
>wrote:
>
>>So what?
>>
>>We live in an age of plenty.
>>
>>Why does it matter?
>>
>>Know anything about servers?
>>
>>Buck
>
>
>Billy is in my killfile, so I don't see his posts any more. But I am
>amused to see from the stuff that was quoted that he has continued in
>his usual eloquent and elegant style of argument.
You post a message to comment on a message you have chosen not to
read?
What a loon!
<PLONK>
>
>>
>>
>>"Billy Beck" <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:24iljucuhcnq37oj1...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Johnson,
>>> >
>>> >You are clearly insane. You need help, man.
>>> >
>>> >See the Ann Coulter quote in my .sig file. It certainly applies to you.
>>>
>>> You re-posted one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two lines of
>>> his nonsense just for *that*?
>>>
>>> You're a *fucking moron*. You are the very picture of why
>>> top-posting assholes should get thrown in the nearest river, you
>>> completely incompetent idiot. God damn you neck-deep in a lake of
>>> runny shit. *Fuck* you, you bullshit little punk.
>>>
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> VRWC Fronteer
>>> http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
>>
>
"Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
Maynard Lee
Thanks, but sorry if I am confused. Did Mr. Kangas kill himself or
his assailant Mr. Scafe? Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr.
Kangas. And so it is even more confusing.
Maynard Lee
The Big Weasel
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:33:53 -0500, SemiScholar
><semis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:37:30 GMT, "Buck" <Bu...@BottomlessPit.Net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>So what?
>>>
>>>We live in an age of plenty.
>>>
>>>Why does it matter?
>>>
>>>Know anything about servers?
>>>
>>>Buck
>>
>>
>>Billy is in my killfile, so I don't see his posts any more. But I am
>>amused to see from the stuff that was quoted that he has continued in
>>his usual eloquent and elegant style of argument.
>
>You post a message to comment on a message you have chosen not to
>read?
>
>What a loon!
>
><PLONK>
Is that all it takes?
Hey, Asshole Man: I don't read Billy, either.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Billy Beck" <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:24iljucuhcnq37oj1...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> "George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Johnson,
>>>> >
>>>> >You are clearly insane. You need help, man.
>>>> >
>>>> >See the Ann Coulter quote in my .sig file. It certainly applies to you.
>>>>
>>>> You re-posted one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two lines of
>>>> his nonsense just for *that*?
>>>>
>>>> You're a *fucking moron*. You are the very picture of why
>>>> top-posting assholes should get thrown in the nearest river, you
>>>> completely incompetent idiot. God damn you neck-deep in a lake of
>>>> runny shit. *Fuck* you, you bullshit little punk.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> VRWC Fronteer
>>>> http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
>>>
>>
>
>"Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
>freedom to not believe in Me and go your own way, but remember, if you
>do, I'll cast you in the lake of everlasting fire."
>---- Zepp, the Weasel Deity of A.S.L.
***********
"Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong,
good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western
civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The
reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not
correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West
because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so
forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in
primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY
points out (and often greatly exaggerates)these faults where they
appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are
not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He
hates America and the West because they are strong and successful."
--rant from a typical right wing whack
Not dead, in jail or a slave? Thank a liberal!
For Zepp's commentaries, go to http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/zeppol.htm
ISO MAN
<ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:33:01 GMT, i...@Isopropyl.com (ISO MAN) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:33:53 -0500, SemiScholar
>><semis...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:37:30 GMT, "Buck" <Bu...@BottomlessPit.Net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>So what?
>>>>
>>>>We live in an age of plenty.
>>>>
>>>>Why does it matter?
>>>>
>>>>Know anything about servers?
>>>>
>>>>Buck
>>>
>>>
>>>Billy is in my killfile, so I don't see his posts any more. But I am
>>>amused to see from the stuff that was quoted that he has continued in
>>>his usual eloquent and elegant style of argument.
>>
>>You post a message to comment on a message you have chosen not to
>>read?
>>
>>What a loon!
>>
>><PLONK>
>
>Is that all it takes?
>
>Hey, Asshole Man: I don't read Billy, either.
You'll never make my killfile, weasel.
You're too much entertainment.
BTW, you never got back to me about
Pascal's Wager?
What's the matter? Lose interest?
The Big Weasel
Why, by all means: send a copy of this to that murdering psychotic
bastard. Send this post, too. Tell the son of a bitch to sue us.
George Johnson
news:wBc7PaACGHDEk5...@4ax.com...
| In <aablju41fpvtf7fvv...@4ax.com> Billy Beck
| <wj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
|
| >
| >maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
| >
| >>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
| >>class.
| >
| > You have *got* to be kidding.
| >
| >>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
| >
| ><guffaw>
|
| This may be a reference to his status as The Uncle Of The Bookmarklet.
|
| http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
| -
Different Steve Kangas.
Michael Zarlenga
: I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
: Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
: find on the Web?
Start here:
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en
and search for Kangas.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Inglewood, CA PD .. They treat you like a King. Rodney King.
George Johnson
| Thank you for this information.
|
| One question comes to mind however. Why was Mr. Kangas in the other
| man's building? Did Mr. Scafe force him to go there?
|
| Maynard Lee
That's a good question.
One of many unanswered.
(Kind of reminds me of the murder of Clifford Baxter in many ways.
Perhaps the same "Scrubbers" were on the job for Scaife as they were for
Bush?)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm
With this short background it is time to look at the serious questions that
have arisen and the need for some straight answers if not a full
investigation. Some of these questions may indeed have harmless answers. I
would be willing to overlook a couple such questions and conclude that
Steve's death was a suicide. But when not one or two but several such
questions start clustering around an event its obvious that someone has not
done a proper investigation or that someone is trying to feed the public a
lot of hooey. Many of these questions Jason has asked on his web site a
couple however are new.
1. Why Pittsburgh, Why Suicide??? This is perhaps the most troubling and
elusive of all questions to answer. The fact remains most people commit
suicide at home or work or in close proximity to one or both. No one travels
2000 miles to a town in which he's and unknown just to commit suicide. Nor
do those planning to commit suicide make long range plans or even short
range plans. In a later question we will show that Steve was indeed making
some long range plans. As for the short range plans it is known now that
Steve had a list with him. Was this a list of people to interview as part of
his longer range plans? Or was it a list of people to interview for a job or
some other reason? One thing is certain it established that he had a plan
and given that he had only arrived that day in Pittsburgh he could have
hardly spoken to more than one or two.
2. Why did Steve buy a gun and install a burglar alarm??? This is the
question that troubles his mother the most. Was Steve trying to protect
himself or something of value? There is no other answer for the burglar
alarm. It has one purpose only. But then what was he protecting and who was
threatening him? And why if we were to believe the Scaife stories about a
man down on his luck and broke would he spend some of his last money on a
burglar alarm? And what would he have to protect? Why would a person with
strong anti-gun views even buy a gun? Why would a man planning suicide and
yes most suicides are planed as long as six months in advance would bother
to register the gun as reported by the media?
3. How Did He Remain Undetected for almost 9 hours in One Oxford Center???
How could anyone remain undetected wondering about a major upscale office
building for a total of 9 hours while carrying a backpack. One guard from
the building remembers observing that he was wearing expensive shoes.
Sitting in the restroom down the hall from Scaife's offices is one answer
but it's hardly satisfying. It's hard to imagine that no one else used that
facility without observing the presence of someone else.
4. Why Did Scaife refuse to answer Steve's parents questions??? This is
another question that troubles his mother. Why did Scaife refuse to answer
her questions of whether he had met with Steve that day? Likewise why did
building security officials refuse to answer her questions and in her own
words give her a run around? Coupled with the immediate preceding question
it raises only more questions and hoists a red flag.
5. Why does the police report and autopsy report differ??? This is the
biggie. Why does the police report list the wound to the left temple area
but the autopsy state it was through the roof of the mouth? The ambulance
report also lists a gunshot wound to the left side of the head. How was it
that the corner missed this wound? Why did the electrician state there was
blood already on the floor when he first found Steve but there is no mention
of that fact in the autopsy report? Once again we encounter a question that
needs to be thoroughly answered before any doubt can be removed.
6. Why no exit wound??? Another biggie that has never been addressed. I find
it impossible to believe that a 9mm would not have made an exit wound. I
would with trouble accept the lack of an exit wound if it had been a 22
rimfire. (This writer has the scars in his left leg to know what a 22 can do
even after ricocheting twice. Once off a rock, I saw the rock explode
through my scope then of a car fender before hitting me in the calf and
traveling through about 3 inches of muscle.) Even more troubling is from the
articles printed in the media was the fact that two fragments was retrieved
from the back of the skull. I will acknowledge that bullets can do strange
things but I find it hard to believe a 9mm slug would fragment going through
4 inches of soft tissue. The normal expected outcome would be for the slug
to remain intact and to mushroom not fragment. Nor has the media ever stated
that these two fragments composed the majority of a 9mm slug. Were these
fragments large or were they small? Combined would these fragments compose
an entire 9mm slug or not? In light of further evidence an considering the
other oddities surrounding this case it leads this writer to the conclusion
that the slug was of a devastator type, the bullet of choice for an
assassin. Once again until a complete thorough answer to the size and number
of fragments is forthcoming all doubt must remain.
7. How was the death ruled a suicide within one day??? One day for an
autopsy would not have allowed time for toxicological tests to be completed.
Yet according to the news article of Wed. Feb 10 from the Tribune-Review the
autopsy was completed on Tuesday. Was this just part of a rush to sweep it
under the floor? Why didn't the corner check the mouth for powder burns?
According to one of the articles it was because of rigormortis. If thats the
case how did they determine the wound was through the roof of the mouth? Its
just another example of how rushed this autopsy was. At the very least it
shows a corner jumping to conclusions before all results are in.
8. Why no Nitrate residue on the hands.??? Another mystery from the autopsy
report, no nitrate residue was found on Steve's hands. The corner tries to
make a claim that only 50% of suicide victims show a residue. That some
weapons have next to no blowback and that the residue could have been rubbed
off in the handling of the body. Well maybe but then I am old enough to
remember that Oswald went home washed his hands and changed clothes, yet
they still found nitrates on his hands.
9. The blood alcohol content why the discrepancy??? Adams reported first
finding Steve one the floor in an almost comatose state and unable to answer
intelligibly. The toxicology report stated a blood alcohol level of .14.
Certainly high enough to be arrested for drunk driving but far from the
level to render a person semi-comatose. And even if factual then how did a
stumbling down dead drunk pick himself up find his gun and commit suicide
without anyone hearing the shot all in the manner of a few minutes.
10. Why did Scaife seek out Steve's parents??? We know that Scaife
associates sought out Steve's parents. Scaife people obtained permission
from them to search his Las Vegas apartment, to read his Email and who knows
what else. What was Scaife looking for? Coupled with a question below it
seems that it was more than just paranoia, but part of an almost hysteric
search. From the text above it seems that the Scale organization used
Steve's parents in one of the most iniquitous manner I have ever heard, to
feed disinformation to the press as in the false story about Mein Kampf.
Even Steve's mother admits to feeling somewhat used or taken advantage of in
one of the media reports. Simply put taking advantage of another's grief is
the lowest form of malevolent behavior.
11. What was Music doing in usenet??? From the text above we know that it
was not for his stated purpose of answering questions and to clarify any
questions. Was Music nosing around Usenet in hopes of stumbling onto
whatever it was that Armistead couldn't find in Las Vegas? And remember
Armistead is a top notch thug for Scaife.
12. Why the vicious mad dog media attack??? Why did Scaife launch and all
out mad dog attack on Steve? It served no purpose other than maybe
unwittingly attracting more attention to the case. There still is no
evidence that Steve intended to threaten or in any way harm Scaife. Such
rumors are solely based on conjecture and are noting more than playing fast
and loose with the facts.
13. Why sell Steve's computer??? This is another puzzling question that
defies logic. According to the media reports Steve's roommate had returned
from an extended trip to find Steve hadn't paid his share of the rent so he
sold the computer for $150. This roommate was also Steve's former business
partner. A partner that had bought Steve's interest for $30,000 after
telling him it was worth $100,000. But Steve had refuse the higher offer not
wishing to become part of the 2% top income earners that he deplored in his
web page. Are we to believe that a person that had received essentially a
$70,000 gift from Steve would quibble over $150? It simply doesn't make
sense.
14. What was Steve's plan??? This writer believes very firmly that Steve had
a coherent plan and was in the process of executing it when he was killed.
The story appearing on April 11 in the Washington Week mentions the first
step of this plan. It refers to an October post in Usenet in which Steve
sought out advice if the computer he had just purchased would be adequate
for a high volume server application. The article concludes that if Steve
had the funds, the time and the presence of mind to expand his political
activism how could anyone believe the Scaife smears. Confirmatory evidence
from Deja News reveals that this is one of the first posts in which Steve
used a new Email address of Liberalism Resurgent and that he also had
registered the server as Resurgent. It fully destroys the Scaife smear that
he was going to use the computer for a sex site. This I believe was the
first step in the plan in January the second step of his plan is revealed on
his web site. On Jan 9 he modified the file Help_the_Fight revealing his
plans for Liberalism Resurgent. In it he detailed plans to hire writers in
particular college students, as well as setting a maximum cap on income for
any employee. Now we know beyond a doubt that he had a plan and what the
computer was for. It also shows a continuing effort over an extended period
requiring time, money and a presence of mind. But the plan doesn't end here.
There is one final piece of evidence of this plan. It was found with his
knapsack upon his death. It was the list of names. It is this writer's
opinion that the list of names were people that Steve was going to interview
for the initial expansion of his web site. Up to this time there is every
indication that Steve had but one plan and that he was diligently working
toward that goal of expanding his web site. The list should be viewed in
that light. When it is things begin to make sense. The reader of this page
is now invited to go back and reread each of the questions keeping in mind
Steve's plan and notice how many of the previous questions have suddenly
been answered. In fact if one assumes that Steve had other information as
put forth in the final paragraph here it wipes out 7 of the preceding
questions and leaves only the questions about the autopsy report left. But
now even those questions have a plausible answer as part of an on going
cover up.
These interviews with people on that list would then be used as the basis
for additional pages. Perhaps even as collaborating evidence for additional
information that he may have had. If such was the case it would certainly
explain and remove any doubt about the Armistead search in Las Vegas and the
presence of Music in Usenet.
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/brambles/499/Kangas_Kronicles/kangas_kronic
les.html
The Kangas Kronicles
New info unearthed about the strange death of Steve Kangas
By Mike Snow
We've dug up (or a major contributor has) suggestive, nay, ominous new info
about the strange death of Steve Kangas- which we are attempting to place in
some legitimate media outlet (unlike you Web creeps).
Despite the dynamite front page May 2-3 Washington Post 30-page opus about
Richard Mellon Scaife (see our site-KANGAS link), which essentially said the
guy was vicious, cheap, uneducated, vindictive, and a drunk -- in the first
three paragraphs -- papers are still terrified of Scaife's retaliation. When
we said we had tapes, a reluctant Brit editor said that "against a
billionaire, you'd need affidavits." Of course there you can be successfully
sued even if it's all TRUE.
Within a week or two if nothing breaks, we will release it here.
Basically, though, the coroner who performed the autopsy said there was no
powder residue on Kangas's hands and that his front teeth were broken.
Back to the better very late than never Washington Post broadside ("Where
did THAT come from?" said NCEC's Tom Bonier), which has Scaife in '93 saying
to an audience that included Democrats, "You're going to be happy when Al
Gore's President because WE'RE GOING TO GET BILL CLINTON."
After only six years of enforced silence, the disaffected masses of the
Washington Post, who saw their proud liberal tradition hijacked and sullied
by the sanctimonious obsessions of Michael Isikoff (who flailed the sordid,
sorry, stinking carcass of this story [Clinton-Lewinsky] around until he
provoked a constitutional crisis), rose up. For THAT, the Press Association
gave him an award, cementing the Monica reality that Fame is the Name of the
Game, no matter how or what you've done to earn it. If John Wayne Gacy were
still alive, he'd probably be a contestant on game shows.
The systematic blindness to the Scaife led anti-Clinton conspiracy, even as
they ran thousands of Whitewater, FBI files, Travelgate stories... is the
greatest failing of the press in the 90's.
Copyright Š 1999 Mike Snow. All rights reserved.
Republished with the permission of Mike Snow.
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/brambles/499/Kangas_Kronicles/Kangas3/kanga
s3.html
The Kangas Kronicles
While ruled a suicide, questions still linger about the death of Steve
Kangas
By Mike Snow
Despite finding a broken front tooth and no powder burns on his hands, the
forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy on the body of Steven
Kangas--a well-known Internet champion of liberal causes who was found shot
to death last February in a bathroom a few feet from the office door of
Pittsburgh billionaire and newspaper publisher Richard Mellon Scaife--stands
by his ruling that Kangas probably committed suicide.
According to Allegheny County (PA) forensic pathologist Abdulrezak Shakir,
who performed the autopsy, "It looks like a suicide," although sensitive
neutron activation tests for powder residue on Kangas's hands "were
inconclusive," no higher than ambient levels.
"If it is negative, it doesn't mean anything.... there are guns where you
don't see much residue coming out the back," explained Shakir.
King County (Seattle) forensic pathologist Donald Ray confirms that: "It
depends on how the body is handled, ... bringing the body in--if the hands
are bagged. There was a study in Dallas [with] revolvers and
semi-automatics: only about 50 percent of the time you get powder residue
on the hands after someone has fired the weapon."
Ballistics matched the fatal bullet to Kangas's gun, a 9mm Kel-tec
semi-automatic, which he'd allegedly purchased and registered Jan. 26
before leaving Las Vegas, where he resided.
Because of post-mortem rigidity, the mouth wasn't opened to check for powder
burns, a mistake, Ray says.
Kangas's "right upper frontal tooth was broken," but Shakir doesn't see that
as damning, "If you try to open a mouth and put in a gun... you will see
more external trauma... The only way they can do it is if there are three or
four more powerful [guys]... and any adult... will try to defend himself."
Born in Iraq, Shakir may know whereof he speaks, although in my experience,
guns induce instant cooperation.
An 11-year veteran of the coroner's office, Shakir and his two colleagues
perform about 1,000 autopsies a year.
Painted by the media as a fringe lunatic and drunk, who had traveled from
Las Vegas to Pittsburgh with the intention of killing Scaife, but wound up
killing himself instead , Kangas's web site is well done, impressively
researched--more like two doctoral theses--and reasonable, though there is
some far-out stuff about the Knights of Malta, and he did think the CIA has
extraordinary reach--a faith in conspiracy shared by Scaife, who had once
run a CIA front: the World News Forum in London. One article on the growth
of the underclass under Reagan contains 150-odd graphs and charts. Scaife is
mentioned, but not prominently featured in the Website. Recent articles on
the CIA's influence in creating the "overclass" are more extreme, though
still scrupulously documented.
Though shot on Feb 8, no link between Kangas and Scaife was known until
March 14, when the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette first reported it, attributed to
the fact that no one in Pittsburgh knew who Kangas was... and Scaife didn't
enlighten them, though detective Rex Armistead, Scaife's chief investigator,
immediately crisscrossed the country, interviewing Kangas's parents and
going through his belongings.
"It did not strike any strange [chord]... later on when we get the news
about all these allegations... I was surprised, because... I didn't even
remember which case that was," said Coroner Shakir.
Scaife, who was in his office at the time, has refused to talk to police or
press and his office claims they had no contact with Kangas, although
according to security videos, he seems to have spent nine hours in the
building that houses Scaife's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. and was found 60
feet from Scaife's office door.
Kangas was found in the men's room; according to police and ambulance EMTs,
shot in the left side of the head, though the coroner only reports a wound
in the roof of the mouth and no exit wound.
A building engineer, Don Adams, allegedly found Kangas, who was legally
drunk (.14 blood alcohol), sprawled on the floor face up uninjured in the
39th floor bathroom at 11:30 pm and asked him if he needed help, when he
returned a few minutes later, Kangas was sitting slumped on a toilet with a
gunshot wound to the head and a pistol below his left hand. Paramedics
declared him dead at 11:53 pm.
Pittsburgh Deputy Police Chief Charles Moffett said the case is "under
investigation in the homicide section."
Arguably, Scaife--who has given millions to right wing groups trying to
destroy President Clinton, including the Heritage Foundation, Landmark
Foundation, Free Congress Foundation and Western Journalism Center, among
others--was more than anyone responsible for Clinton's Impeachment and has
operated with shadowy impunity because of his immense wealth, charity
donations, and control of Pittsburgh Tribune/Review and the Washington-based
American Spectator, which broke the Paula Jones story. The ground-breaking
Washington Post May 2-3 opus quotes Scaife saying to a Nantucket group
including Democrats in 1994 that: "We're going to get Bill Clinton. And
you'll be much happier because Al Gore is going to be President."
When the publisher and editor protested The American Spectator's
single-minded crusade against Clinton in 1997, they were sacked, reportedly
on Scaife's instigation. According to Washington Monthly, "Scaife's
reputation for reclusiveness is surpassed only by his reputation for
vindictiveness"--he is quick to sue and use private detectives against
critics (as he has on Kangas), and he carries obsessive grudges for years.
The Westmoreland vs CBS suit was funded by Scaife.
A March Tribune editorial virulently attacks the Post/Gazette's editor and
reporter Dennis Roddy (who previously had worked for Scaife) for publishing
the story, as well as personally smearing Kangas: "...they hate his
(Scaife's) politics, and because most of all, they are haters and that is
their nature". Kangas was "a sad loser, drowning in his own political
paranoia."
Pittsburgh City Paper Managing Editor Chris Potter derides Scaife's tactics:
"Dick Scaife and the Trib pretend that they're the victims and then his
paper is doing this sleazy crap where they write 'Dennis Roddy is a big jerk
and his wife is ugly.' Everybody here just sort of rolls their eyes at Dick
Scaife."
According to Roddy Scaife is a difficult subject because "nobody is willing
to go on the record about him".
Scaife's private detective, Armistead, an ex-Mississippi lawman, is old
friends with Starr deputy Hickman Ewing (an aggressive anti-Clintonite), who
had also hired him for the Office of Independent Council. Armistead had also
investigated CNN correspondent John Camp and worked for the $2.4 million
Scaife-funded Arkansas Project (digging Clinton dirt).
According to Salon Magazine, Scaife had funneled payments to David Hale, the
only real witness against Clinton in Whitewater and against Gov. Jim Tucker
and the McDougals. Banker Hale was accused of defrauding poor blacks of $3.2
million in a fraudulent insurance scheme, and convicted on several counts,
after having been protected from Arkansas prosecutors by Ken Starr.
Since Nixon's presidency, Scaife has contributed more than $300 million to
conservative causes ($20 million in 1995 alone) through the chain of charity
foundations he runs, a heritage of granduncle steel magnate Andrew Carnegie
and grandfather banker Paul Mellon.
It's possible Kangas, a former Army intelligence specialist (Berlin and
Central America Soviet eavesdropper/analyst) and proprietor of a
comprehensive liberal Internet site: "Liberalism Resurgent"
(http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo), went to Scaife's Pittsburgh offices and
committed suicide as a frustrated last ditch effort to start a serious
investigation of Scaife (who is estranged from his own
family-Carnegie/Mellon, and most former associates), a theory Kangas's
father, conservative Christian Robert Esh espouses.
Kangas's break from his father's conservative upbringing was so complete
that in 1992 he changed his last name to his mother's. Kangas, who had been
trained in Russian at the famed Army Monterey Defense Language School, was a
doctoral candidate at University of California Santa Cruz, where he had
headed of a chess club and was a respected debater in liberal Internet
newsgroups, but had recently moved to Las Vegas, where he'd made as much as
$200,000 a year as a partner in a computerized horse betting operation.
Kangas's conservative Christian father tried to get Internet provider
scruz.net (Santa Cruz) to shut down Kangas's web site, but supporters paid
the bills and have established as many as four mirror sites, so Kangas's
thoughts will remain. Reportedly his life had spiraled downhill in his
recent days as his finances and romances plummeted.
It's also conceivable that Scaife, this erratic potentate who has flown into
rages at the intrusion of reporters, confronted by a threatening character
at his seat of power reacted in self-defense.
Ironically Richard Mellon Scaife has pushed outlandish "Clinton had Vincent
Foster murdered" theories via Pittsburg Tribune-Review (a suburban paper
with about half the circulation of the Post/Gazette) reporter Christopher
Ruddy, who has also speculated darkly about the 50-60 people far-right
fringe groups claim Clinton had killed. "Vincent Foster is the Rosetta Stone
of the Clinton Administration," claimed Scaife. Now, a liberal activist and
sworn opponent is found shot just outside his door... and he wasn't even
questioned?
Says Medical Examiner Donald Ray: "There are always outstanding unanswered
questions- I think the police in a high profile case should... pursue them,
because they will be criticized endlessly for not doing [so]."
This isn't the first time Scaife has been linked to a strange suicide. In
1973 former mentor and close friend Pittsburgh District Attorney Robert
Duggan, under federal investigation for alleged mob payoffs, was found shot
to death with a shotgun bearing no fingerprints.
Scaife had cut all ties with Duggan, who had married Scaife's sister
Cordelia shortly before his death which was widely believed to be a mob
ordered murder.
Chris Potter explained, "He marries Cordelia secretly. The theory of law
enforcement.. is that by marrying this heiress to the Mellon millions he
wouldn't have to answer so many questions about where the money came from.
Then he shot himself on his hidden farm property on the day the grand jury
returned the indictment for corruption.
But there were these questions: Was the shotgun too long to fit in his
mouth.? Was the gun too far from his hand?So all this stuff... Scaife went
through 25 years ago."
Cordelia reportedly hasn't spoken to Scaife since.
Copyright Š 1999 Mike Snow. All rights reserved.
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/kangas1.htm
SCAIFE PROBING DEATH OF ACTIVIST WHO CRITICIZED GOVERNMENT, VATICAN
INVOLVEMENT
In the hours before his death, Steve Kangas was thousands of miles from home
with little money in his pocket. He spent nine hours inside a Pittsburgh
office building which housed the offices of a foundaiton linked to Richard
Scaife -- the billionaire publisher who is now probing his alleged sucide.
Questions linger. Was Steve Kangas after somebody, or was he on the run?
Web Posted: March 18, 1999
On February 11, 1999 police founded the dead body of a 37-year old man in
the 39th floor bathroom of an office building in Pittsburgh. The victim was
identified as Steven Kangas; the local coroner's ruled the death a suicide,
based on evidence of a gunshot wound to the head.
Case closed. Or is it?
The misfortune of Mr. Kangas is now raising questions, especially given
his background as a political activist, and the involvement of billionaire
publisher Richard Mellon Scaife. According to today's edition of the New
York Times, Scaife -- one of the preeminent critics of Bill Clinton, and a
man often accused of being at the center of a right-wing plot to discredit
the President -- has hired a private investigator to probe the circumstances
of Kangas' death. Already, it's turning out to be a story with plenty of
twists and odd coincidences. Steven R. Kangas, 37, operated a website titled
"Liberalism Resurgent," rejected religious belief and identified himself as
an Atheist, and ground out a steady flow of information about everything
from what he called "the overclass" to the involvement of the Vatican, the
CIA, Catholic groups like the Knights of Malta and other organizations in
world politics. Did it get him killed, or drive him to madness and
depression?
ś Start with Richard Mellon Scaife. Scaife is a billionaire publisher,
owner of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, and has played daddy big-bucks for
plenty of far right causes over the years. When former White House aide
Vincent Foster committed suicide in Washington, D.C., Scaife opined that the
death was the "Rosetta stone" of a scandal running far and deep through the
Clinton administration.
Kangas identified Scaife as one of the "overclass," and in an
information-rich section of his internet site, traced the publisher's
involvement with everything from the Central Intelligence Agency to an
elaborate web of foundations underwriting their favorite political causes.
This was no paranoid dream, though. Most of what Kangas was writing was
evidently pasted together from an enormous range of sources, including
newspaper articles from the Washington Post and other media, to a small
library of books penned by Washington insiders and investigative reporters.
Other sources included Guenter Lewy's work, "The Catholic Church and Nazi
Germany" (London and New York, 1964); editions of the National Catholic
Reporters newspaper; and the Covert Action Information Bulletin issue
devoted to "Nazi's, The Vatican and the CIA."
One story illustrates Scaife's involvement in the shadlowland of
political intrigue, often bringing him into contact with religious right
extremists. Scaife is known to be one of the major backers of groups like
the Heritage Foundation (contributing over $100 million) and the Committee
for the Survival of a Free Congress. Less publicized, however, are his other
activities such as his operation of Forum World Features, described as "an
international CIA news outlet that supplied over 300 newspapers until its
exposure in 1975," by writer Sarah Diamond. So is his involvement with a man
named John McGoff, who during the 1970s funneled money from the apartheid
South African government into groups such as the Christian League of
Southern Africa. Headed by Rev. Fred Shaw, the Christian League established
contacts with American-based religious right groups including the Campus
Crusade for Christ headed by evangelist Bill Bright.
ś Kangas had plenty to say about the little-known Roman Catholic
group, the Knights of Malta. In a section of "The Origins of the Overclass,"
Kangas discussed the involvement of this Vatican group with the historical
backwater eddies such as the aborted military plot to remove Franklin
Roosevelt from the White House -- actually a Keystone Cops-style putsch
exposed by former General George Smedley Butler, and the involvement of the
Knights with former Nazis. "A partial list of the Knights and Dames of Malta
reads like a Who's Who of American Catholicism," noted Kangas, who then
named names, including a slew of CIA directors and underlings; financial
tycoons (William S. Schreyer of Merril Lynch, Richard Shinn, Metropolitan
Life, Martin F. Shea, Morgan Guarantee; religious boosters, such as Schick
razor king Patrick J. Frawley who underwrote Rev. Fred Schwarz's Christian
Anti-Communist Crusade; and church officials such as Cardinal Francis
Spellman -- actually the American head of the Knights -- Cardinal Bernard
Law, and Cardinal John O'Connor, who still pitches the Vatican line from the
pulpit of New York's St.; Patrick's Cathedral.
http://www.americanatheist.org/pope99/calvi.html
Admittedly, Kangas was also serving up a "conspiracy stew" of sorts,
blending known historical fact -- such as material about the Knights, or
Scaife -- with conjecture and possibly some creative theorizing. He still
managed to develop a reputation on line at least as a daring researcher, and
he could well have been a thorn in the side of Richard Scaife.
ś The circumstances surrounding the "suicide" of Steve Kangas, and the
details of his life remain sketchy. The February 12, 1999 edition of the
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported the death, 3-4 days after the body had
actually been found. A terse 46-word article concluded "He died of a gunshot
wound to the head. The Allegheny County coroner's office ruled the death as
a suicide."
There are questions concerning what Kangas was doing in the "One Oxford
Center" building on that Monday, in the 39th floor bathroom. On that floor
is the office of the Allegheny Foundation, operated by Richard Scaife. How
did Kangas manage to get through the building security? And there are
questions about how Kangas was found. According to published reports, a
building engineer discovered Kangas alive and lying on the floor of the
bathroom on the evening of Feb. 8. He went for help, and when he return he
reportedly found Kangas sitting in a toilet stall with a gunshot wound to
the head. A police report says that nearby was a pistol which Kangas had
purchased two weeks earlier in Las Vegas, along with $14.63 in his pockets
and 47 rounds of ammunition -- and a copy of Hitler's "Mein Kampf," not
exactly the reading diet of the modern liberal, in a nearby backpack. It's a
strange melange of objects. Kangas' blood level was reportedly 0.14 percent,
above the Pennsylvania driving drunk limit of 0.10 percent. There is no
mention of a bottle found nearby, though, and video tapes made by security
cameras as One Oxford Center show that Kangas was in the building for nearly
nine hours before his death.
Kangas' background is also intriguing. He graduated from the Defense
Language Institute of the U.S. Army in 1983, and went on to serve as an
intelligence analyst eavesdropping on Russian radio communications in
Berlin. After returning to the U.S., he knocked around various restaurant
jobs. At the time of his death, he was a Doctoral Candidate at the
University of California in Santa Cruz. He reportedly had no ties to
Pittsburgh, save perhaps his interest in Richard Scaife.
As for Richard Scaife, he is sufficiently interested in Kangas to have
hired the services of private investigator Rex Armistead. Armistead "has
been traveling the country to investigate Kangas," reports the New York
Times.
The name of Rex Armistead comes up frequently in connection with
something known as the Arkansas Project, and the film "The Clinton
Chronicles," aggressively marketed by Rev. Jerry Falwell. Scaife spent $2.4
million over a three-year period investigating Bill Clinton, a project
dubbed the Arkansas Project which operated from June, 1993 to December,
1997. Armistead, former director of the criminal investigation section of
the Mississippi Department of Safety, was hired on to do the digging; he
soon started feeding Scaife information, but according to an investigation
by Salon Magazine, "Federal investigators have found no evidence to support
the allegations." That didn't stop lurid tales of Clinton drug dealing,
fraud, bribery and even possible murder from leaking to the news media.
According to Salon, "The investigative effort by Armistead was so secretive
that funds paid by Scaife to Armistead were funneled through two
tax-exemption foundations, and then through two law firms..." Among the
charges Scaife and Armistead were tracking down; that Clinton, while
governor of Arkansas, ordered officials to ignore cocaine smuggling going on
at a small airport in Mena, Ark.
When CNN reported that the drug dealing accusations against Clinton were
groundless, Armistead reportedly was turned loose to investigate CNN writer
John Camp. Salon managed to obtain a copy of the file, noting "Camp was
targeted by Armistead, according to documents and sources, after he reported
in a CNN broadcast that the Mena accusations were based on erroneous
information..." Still, a copy of Armistead's background investigation turned
up in the files of the House Banking Committee. The Drug Enforcement Agency
also reportedly interviewed Armistead, who, according to Salon, "misled the
federal agents about the true source of his investigation's funding..."
Equally revealing is the link between Hickman Ewing, an operative for
Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr who looked into Clinton affairs in Little
Rock, Ark. and Armistead. David Talbot of Salon told a journalism conference
at University of California recently that Ewing "has met privately and
quietly with this same investigator, Rex Armistead.
The fruits of the Arkansas Project and the allegations about Mena
airport found their way into the movie, "The Clinton Chronicles," dubbed
"the Jerry Falwell video" by news insiders and pundits. The film, marketed
by Falwell and produced by a California-based firm known as Jeremiah Films,
weaves an intricate web of conspiracy allegations about Bill Clinton;
critics see it playing fast-and-lose with the facts, skillfully blending
innuendo and half-truths. Believe Falwell and "The Clinton Chronicles," and
Clinton is a cross between the Godfather and the Antichrist. It's all part
of the stew involving Paula Jones, a group linked to Falwell known as the
Citizens for Honest Government, and ultimately of course the trail leads to
Richard Scaife.
So, what was Steven Kangas doing for nine hours inside an office
building in Pittsburgh, 2,500 miles from home, possibly out of money, and
possibly drunk. How did he get there? What was he looking for? Richard
Scaife wants to know, and has called out his own James Bond to find out.
According to the Times, Kangas' mother, Jan Lankeet is also puzzled.
"We still don't know if Steve was running or if he was after somebody,"
she said.
Copyright Š 2002 American Atheists, Inc. All rights reserved
Joe Krolikowski
Maynard Lee wrote:
> msoja <mso...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<jselju4qsfoqvrfe1...@4ax.com>...
> > On 20 Jul 2002 20:38:04 -0700, maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee)
> > posted:
>
> > >I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > >class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
> > >Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> > >find on the Web?
>
> > Steve Kangas attempted to murder himself but managed to kill his
> > assailant in self defense, instead.
>
> > Mike Soja
>
> Thanks, but sorry if I am confused. Did Mr. Kangas kill himself or
> his assailant Mr. Scafe?
Kangas killed himself. What drove him to travel to Pittsburgh with a
gun, wandering around Scaife's building, has never been adequately
explained, even by those who claim to have shared his politics.
He (Kangas) was found by the janitor, sitting drunk on one of the
commodes. When the janitor returned from reporting this to security,
Kangas had shot himself, with his own gun.
> Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr. Kangas.
Pure BS. Such a story doesn't even come close to the the known facts.
Nor can the supporters of such a theory present a case which covers all
the known facts, despite many attempts.
> And so it is even more confusing.
Not really. Go to google and do a search of these groups for "Kangas,"
and you'll get more information than you might think, many of them with
relevant URL's to news articles. (Some links may no longer be active, since
it's been a few years.)
Joe Krolikowski
Mike Schneider
> >maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
> >>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> >>class.
> >
>
> http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
Clever boy! (At least I hope you're being clever.)
They're not the same guy -- but his teacher doesn't need to know. See pic:
http://bookmarklets.com/about/stevek.html . Maynard? Write your bio on
*this* "Steve Kangas", not the man who conspired to commit murder and
missed badly.
This is what the weasels richly deserve: Barkmarlet author Steve Kangas
outshines their manufactured marxist martyr of the same name.
--
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Liberty/files/links.htm
Reply to mike1@@@usfamily.net sans two @@, or your reply won't reach me.
"Blood! Boobs! Swords! Snakes!"--fwfr.com four word film review of "Conan"
Gandalf Grey
"Winston Smith" <wsm...@minitrue.oceana.gov> wrote in message
news:26A73B6E8750A647.816A2273...@lp.airnews.net...
> In article <3d3a5489$0$1425$272e...@news.execpc.com>, "George Johnson"
> <matr...@voyager.net> wrote:
>
> > "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> > | I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > | class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> > |
> > | Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> > | find on the Web?
> > |
> > | Thanks.
> > |
> > | Maynard Lee
> >
> > He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building...
>
>
> Scaife should sue your sorry ass for liable.
Or Scaife could just have him murdered, which seems to be more Scaife's
habit.
Steven Canyon
<ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:20:58 -0600, wsm...@minitrue.oceana.gov
>(Winston Smith) wrote:
>
>>In article <3d3a5489$0$1425$272e...@news.execpc.com>, "George Johnson"
>><matr...@voyager.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
>>> | I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>>> | class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>> |
>>> | Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>>> | find on the Web?
>>> |
>>> | Thanks.
>>> |
>>> | Maynard Lee
>>>
>>> He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building...
>>
>>
>>Scaife should sue your sorry ass for liable. Kangas went there to murder
>>Scaife, and the drunken dipshit committed suicide after he was caught
>>drunk and lurking in the bathroom in Scaife's building on his floor.
>
>Why, by all means: send a copy of this to that murdering psychotic
>bastard. Send this post, too. Tell the son of a bitch to sue us.
LOL, Zepp don't have anything to sue him for.
--Ace
Michael Zarlenga
: his assailant Mr. Scafe? Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr.
: Kangas. And so it is even more confusing.
Kangas killed himself in a drunken stupor in a rest room in
Scaife's building.
ISO MAN
wrote:
Zapp's got everything that Kangas had except that bus ticket to
Pittsburgh.
Winston Smith
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
> In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Maynard Lee <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Thanks, but sorry if I am confused. Did Mr. Kangas kill himself or
> : his assailant Mr. Scafe? Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr.
> : Kangas. And so it is even more confusing.
>
> Kangas killed himself in a drunken stupor in a rest room in
> Scaife's building.
While he was stalking Scafe.
Winston Smith
(ISO MAN) wrote:
We could buy him a Qt of Jack as a going away present;)
The Big Weasel
(Winston Smith) wrote:
Nice to know you're as afraid of me as you were of Steve.
You were trash when Steve was alive, and he knew it.
You're trash now, and we all know it.
>
>
>>
>> "Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
>> freedom to not believe in Me and go your own way, but remember, if you
>> do, I'll cast you in the lake of everlasting fire."
>> ---- Zepp, the Weasel Deity of A.S.L.
***********
Gandalf Grey
Typical right winger: Always hoping your opponents will kill themselves.
John T. Kennedy
mike1S...@usfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
>John T. Kennedy <jt...@no-treason.com> wrote:
>> >maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>> >>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> >>class.
>> >
>> >>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>
>> This may be a reference to his status as The Uncle Of The Bookmarklet.
>> http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
>
>
>Clever boy! (At least I hope you're being clever.)
Actually I didn't care enough to verify it was the same Kangas, but
the reference to an "Internet pioneer" might be based on the "other
Kangas". Whatever.
>They're not the same guy -- but his teacher doesn't need to know. See pic:
>http://bookmarklets.com/about/stevek.html . Maynard? Write your bio on
>*this* "Steve Kangas", not the man who conspired to commit murder and
>missed badly.
>
>This is what the weasels richly deserve: Barkmarlet author Steve Kangas
>outshines their manufactured marxist martyr of the same name.
-
Joe Krolikowski
Winston Smith wrote:
> In article <ujmmnrt...@corp.supernews.com>, Michael Zarlenga
> <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>
> > In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Maynard Lee <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > : Thanks, but sorry if I am confused. Did Mr. Kangas kill himself or
> > : his assailant Mr. Scafe? Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr.
> > : Kangas. And so it is even more confusing.
>
> > Kangas killed himself in a drunken stupor in a rest room in
> > Scaife's building.
>
> While he was stalking Scafe.
Allegedly. The difficulty of verification of this idea is that the only one
who
really knows what Kangas was doing there is Kangas himself, but he's *dead,*
and can tell no tales.
I say "allegedly" because, while the idea that he was stalking Scaife makes
a
certain amount of sense, it can't be satisfactorily verified for the reason
that I
mentioned above, and apparently, Kangas told no one of his "plan."
Joe Krolikowski
Steven Canyon
(Winston Smith) wrote:
I don't think Zepp the loser can afford the two bus tickets required
to carry his fat ass to Pittsburgh.
>> "Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
>> freedom to not believe in Me and go your own way, but remember, if you
>> do, I'll cast you in the lake of everlasting fire."
>> ---- Zepp, the Weasel Deity of A.S.L.
--Ace
Steven Canyon
<ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote:
We're afraid Zepp will waddle over and sit on somebody.
>You were trash when Steve was alive, and he knew it.
>
>You're trash now, and we all know it.
--Ace
Tarver Engineering
"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
Dance weasels dance:
This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he notified
me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was classic
and I answered only, "kill yourself".
> Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> find on the Web?
In conclusion:
Kangas was a nutcase who somehow became to believe that the usenet is real.
This belief led him to a drunken suicide in a men's room.
John
Tarver Engineering
> Thank you for this information.
>
> One question comes to mind however. Why was Mr. Kangas in the other
> man's building? Did Mr. Scafe force him to go there?
Perhaps Steve was lost, or insane.
John
Gray Davis is quite insane, you know.
> Maynard Lee
>
> "George Johnson" <matr...@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:<3d3a5489$0$1425$272e...@news.execpc.com>...
> > "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> > | I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > | class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> > |
> > | Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> > | find on the Web?
> > |
> > | Thanks.
> > |
> > | Maynard Lee
> >
> > He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building and
later
> > clumsily covered up to appear as a suicide. Certainly not the first
murder
> > committed by Richard Mellon Scaife and most likely not the last (well
until
> > the cocaine transportation industry is put to extinction). Considering
the
> > Corporate Monarchy is planning to leave America to poverty, an artifical
> > Police State, a huge mass-murder despot regime, and then embark to
> > developing China.when the pipeline is actualized it matters little in
the
> > next decade.
> >
> > America's only hope is rid ourselves of these self-appointed Royal
> > Tyrants and take the smart path back to freedom.
> >
> > As for the rest of the matter.
> > http://www.google.com/search?&q=Steve+Kangas
> > GOOGLE [ Steve Kangas ]
> >
> > http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/tenets.htm
> > A Mirror of Steve's Website
> >
> > http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Aboutme.htm
> > About Steve Kangas from his own fingertips.
> >
> > http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/kang-ev0.html
> > (The web page has much better text formatting that I can supply in a
USENET
> > post)
> >
> > Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> >
> >
> > Who killed Steve Kangas?
> >
> > Case overview
> > Steve Kangas was found dead on the 39th floor of his enemy's doorstep at
> > 11:30 PM on February 8 1999. In the bathroom of the offices of Richard
> > Mellon Scaife, 2000 miles from home, -- in Pittsburgh PA. Shot (twice?)
in
> > the head. Due to obstructions of justice, local police investigating
the
> > wrong circumstances quickly ruled it a suicide. There are over 1000
> > heated Usenet posts on this topic, dated from eleven days after his
death.
> > How did he die?
> > It seems much too messy for a pre-meditated hit. And too quiet for a
> > political suicide stunt. And his death was far outside the depressed
and
> > paralyzed suicidal person's profile -- on a long trip? -- it's just not
> > done. Suicide is normally done in, or close to the rut of daily life.
> > Suicide counselors often recommend; "Take a long trip, and now! Break
out!"
> > It fits just right for a scuffle or the flared temper of a cold and mean
man
> > who owns the town and a small private army of "security". Of course,
> > anything is possible, suicide is too. But what fits best?. Where does
> > logic and reason lead us if we toss aside the preconceptions that have
been
> > skillfully laid for us from the very first day? We shall explore one
range
> > of possibilities that one path takes us. I say "we" in part because
this
> > path is evolving quickly even now among the political newsgroups, in a
huge
> > battle between liberals and neo-conservatives. It is now mid May, 1999.
> >
> > What is the entrance to this path we will follow?
> >
> >
> > 1) It's based on the fact that Scaife and/or his employees had fouled
the
> > police investigation within hours to suggest a "closed case" random
suicide
> > by concealing or withholding critical information.
> > 2) It's also based on the fact that Scaife's Tribune-Review tabloid
attack
> > articles were so unfactual, and such an obvious smear that ALL
information
> > from them has been rejected.
> >
> > 3) It's based on the assumption that there was a real reason for the
Scaife
> > tabloid's news black-out, the eventual risky lies, the Kangas smear,
> > Scaife's nation-wide investigation, and the obstructions of justice.
That
> > is; we assume that these were not merely the frivolous ravings of a
paranoid
> > mean-spirited man, -- nor a mere haphazard coincidence -- as the police
and
> > mainstream press seems to have assumed as the only realistic premise.
> > Even if Scaife is a paranoid mean-spirited man, this is hardly a
rational
> > defense.
> >
> > If we establish those assumptions, only a few possibilities remain. I
> > intend to establish them as reasonable and realistic assumptional
> > foundations that no complete investigation should ignore.
> > It seems that if not for Usenet/Internet, the police would have long ago
> > closed the case on a "random suicide by a random out-of-state drifter."
In
> > fact, that's what they quickly concluded within hours, and that
conclusion
> > stuck, it became an assumption unchallenged by anyone outside of Team
Scaife
> > for the next five weeks.
> >
> > But, Scaife's cover-up and his news black-out of his relationship with
Steve
> > Kangas was revealed by the boiling of dozens of ever angrier netizens in
the
> > political debate newsgroups of Usenet, and the sharp-eyed police spotted
it
> > on the front page of the Pittsburgh newspaper, the Post-Gazette.
> >
> > But the cover-up bought Scaife time. The police, unaware of the
> > Scaife-Kangas connection never made a criminal investigation. The
Pittsburg
> > Police did not request the Las Vegas Police to search Kangas's home.
During
> > all this time Scaife had sent a private investigator traveling the
country.
> > Scaife's employee entered and searched Steve's home and smeared Steve's
name
> > to witnesses long in advance of any police investigation. If Steve had
any
> > material worth being killed for, the police have little chance of ever
> > finding it now.
> >
> > Police now claim the investigation has been widened to include Scaife.
The
> > same friendly police department that has been routinely stationed in
front
> > of the billionaire's home providing him with "security" for decades.
> >
> > However exposed, Scaife's cover-up did succeed for five weeks, it's been
> > cleaned up, and the body cremated. And Steve's name has been smeared
with
> > womanizing, pornography, theft, drunkenness plus a murder attempt by
> > Scaife's famous dirt-manufacturing propaganda mill. In fact, despite
the
> > fact that Team Scaife's cover-ups, meddling and steering of the evidence
> > from the very first hours to insure a suicide verdict have recently come
to
> > light, the press as of mid-May still continues to unhesitatingly assume
> > suicide.
> >
> > This is not a banner most people would care to fight under. The
squeamish,
> > the gentle, the "reputable" need not apply, nor did they. While
smearing
> > the enemy is a common tactic, it's just not polite. Even if nobody
really
> > believes that garbage, the knight in shining armor has been successfully
> > destroyed, tainted.
> >
> > That's the power of first-information, of first-assumption. Perhaps
Team
> > Scaife has learned a few tricks of mind bending over the last three
decades?
> > It's what they do. High-dollar "spin" is their claim to fame.
> > Underestimating that power might be an error.
> >
> > "To truly know a man, learn what he takes for granted."
> >
> >
> > The players:
> >
> > Steve Kangas.
> > Ex army intelligence, a Doctoral Candidate at UC: Santa Cruz in
economics
> > and political studies. His book was almost completed, and was working
with
> > a publisher. Once president of the local chess club in Santa Cruz for
> > several years. Net presence: 1600 Usenet posts found on DejaNews.com, a
> > double award winning political Web site with over 300 html pages. His
most
> > popular page was on the Great Depression: 75,000 hits. The Web site was
> > also a "one-stop-shop", -- an armory -- of liberal oriented arguments,
> > facts, charts and tables to be used in debates against popular
> > neo-conservative myths. (Yet while many liberals blame the great
recession
> > of '82-'83 on Reagan, Steve Kangas argued strongly that Reagan had
nothing
> > to do with it.) Above all, Steve Kangas was a truth-seeker. See his
> > AboutMe.html.
> > In the jungle of Usenet political debates he was known for his calm
> > reasonable arguments and facts, even when outrageously provoked. Few
could
> > touch him, and even now the rabidly attacking neo-conservative vultures
on
> > Usenet cannot present a credible, reasonable argument against his
undefended
> > Web site. "I don't like it", is the sum of their arguments before
resorting
> > to the ad hominem fallacy.
> >
> > I've experienced a Web Warrior's death before, we knew the the dreaded
death
> > dance of the mean-spirited was coming, we try to get through it as best
we
> > can, but I think everybody feels dirtied by it, and by who we have to
> > associate with. I'd like to thank those who manage to stick with it,
and
> > apologize to Steve's loved ones for not always meeting Steve's high
> > standards in this mess.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Mellon Scaife.
> > Grand master of propaganda. Bored billionaire. Many consider him to
be
> > the hub of Hillary Clinton's "vast right wing conspiracy." He's
largely
> > responsible for the "Vince Foster murder conspiracy theory." Some even
say
> > Ken Starr was his toady.
> >
> > MUCH more, for example,
> > Quoting TIME MAGAZINE, 21-FEB-99
> > New Rules Of The Road
> > * ...outsiders and scandal prospectors of every kind,
> > * from the anti-Clinton tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife
> > * to the freelance spider Lucianne Goldberg
> > * and the Jupiter of sleaze, Larry Flynt. "There's a
> > * cottage industry of digging up dirt and slinging
> > * mud," says Kyle McSlarrow, chairman of Quayle
> > * 2000.
> >
> > End quote
> >
> >
> > Quoting TIME MAGAZINE, 10-FEB-99:
> > Crazy and In Charge
> > *Brilliant tycoons have had a
> > *tendency to get eccentric, or worse
> >
> > *...acute that he lived out his later years in
> > *double-insulated, soundproof rooms. As for Scaife,
> > *he spent some of his Mellon family megabucks
> > *(Alcoa, Mellon Bank) to buy a suburban newspaper,
> > *give it a Steel City moniker and publish an
> > *unending string of kooky conspiracy theories
> > *centered on the Clintons.
> >
> > End quote
> >
> >
> > So Scaife and his tabloid have a reputation as dirt-slingers and known
for
> > kooky conspiracy theories. According to the May 3 Washington Post,
Scaife
> > "has given at least $340 million to fund a `war of ideas' against
American
> > liberalism." That is, he finances propaganda and propaganda mills.
> > He owns the Greensburg Pa. Tribune Review tabloid, home of the Vince
Foster
> > murder conspiracy. According to the Washington Post, Newsweek, and
other
> > publications, Yale expelled Scaife for drunken brawling and breaking the
> > legs of a classmate with a beer keg -- he is known to be a petty bully,
to
> > hold a grudge, to assume everybody wants to steal from him, and either
you
> > are for him, or you are his enemy. Most people who know him don't think
> > he's particularly bright. And believe it or not, according to his
> > ex-employees, he's an obsessively cheap bastard too, such as in one
case, he
> > personally rejected laundry and valet expenses for an employee
conducting
> > Scaife's business while traveling in Vietnam.
> >
> > Mean 2, adj; 1. inferior in grade, quality or character.
> > 2. low in station rank or dignity. ...5. small minded
> > or ignoble. 6. Stingy. 7. Offensive or selfish.
> > --Syn. common, plebeian, petty, squalid, contemptible,
> > low, base, vile, coarseness, vulgarity, cowardice,
> > moral depravity, disgusting foulness, niggardly.
> > --Ant. superior, exalted, important, generous, liberal.
> >
> > See the TIME archives for much more about Scaife at
> > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/ or,
> > http://search.newsweek.com/
> > keyword: Scaife.
> > Or my pertinent summery and extractions from the May 3 '99 Washington
Post
> > front page article on Scaife, his mean streaks, history, and
personality.
> > Steve Kangas said much of the same, and more about Scaife at:
> > http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/L-clintonrightwingconspiracy.html
> > and Scaife is also mentioned on one other of Steve's 300 html pages
there,
> > and they are linked.
> > See also SCAIFE-O-RAMA!! at:
http://members.aol.com/fszamazon/scaife3.htm
> >
> >
> > Rex Armistead
> > Armistead among other things is the famous private investigator used by
> > Scaife to dig up dirt on President Clinton and Steve Kangas. He was
paid
> > $250,000 for one job. Rex Armistead was aided by Scaife's Pittsburgh
> > Tribune-Review reporter Richard Gazarik and Steve's grieving parents
eager
> > for any information to fill the terrible vacuum. His mother now seems
to
> > regret being used that way. The Tribune-Review published some of the
> > sleaziest dirt jobs you will find in any tabloid -- against Kangas.
Below,
> > you will see how one witness (Steve's mom) was mysteriously manipulated
into
> > telling lies about her son. Propaganda and mind bending. It's what
they
> > do.
> >
> > Robert Esh
> > Steve's father, Robert Esh seems to be in the Armistead-Scaife camp.
Yet he
> > calls himself a conservative Christian. Robert Esh said; "It wasn't
that we
> > were at odds with each other or fighting, but that he'd kept some
distance
> > because his belief system was different than ours." [cough] Steve
> > Kangas changed his last name to his mother's maiden name.
> > Even in death, Robert Esh seems to be trying to control his son's
mind.
> > He attempted to cancel Steve's Web page because he disagrees with it.
And
> > as of mid April, Esh is attempting to demand that mirror sites of his
son's
> > include a 2-1/2 page letter of his; "explaining" things and criticizing
his
> > son's politics while cheapening Steve's beliefs. It is seemingly
without
> > irony that he signs that statement "The father of a much-loved Prodigal
Son
> > that never came home." Mr. Esh has been telling people not to "bother"
his
> > former wife and Steve Kangas' mother, Jan Lankheet, he wants her out of
the
> > loop. (Yet it appears he does not have executorship of Steve's
estate(??))
> >
> >
> > Jan Lankheet
> > "He was a happy guy. He had plans for this summer," said his mother,
Jan
> > Lankheet, who lives in Michigan and whose Christmas card inviting her
son to
> > visit last year was in his knapsack when he was found dead. When
informed
> > that Steve's Web friends had constructed six mirror sites of Steve's Web
> > site, and one had been paying his bills there, she was pleased: "There's
> > something to be said for that. Now that he's dead, may his work live
on
> > after him."
> >
> > Don Adams
> > Don Adams and his associate are the pivotal eye-witnesses in this case.
It
> > was reported that Adams is a building engineer and he found Steve Kangas
in
> > dire need of help. When he returned Kangas was mortally wounded. If
Don
> > Adams actually is the building engineer, and not related to Scaife
> > "security," and actually was making routine checks when he found Kangas,
and
> > was telling the truth, this (alone??) fixes Kangas' time of death, and
> > drastically limits the possible scenarios. But as we will see, there
are
> > several major discrepancies here, and it just smells fishy. In this
case, I
> > have come to trust my nose. A lie detector test would resolve most of
the
> > obvious questions this case presents.
> > The FBI
> > The FBI's jurisdiction includes any case involving a reasonable
possibility
> > of interstate transportation in a crime, or if local authorities may be
> > biased or incompetent.
> > There is a historically cozy relationship between the Mellon/Scaife
dynasty
> > and the police, and indeed, with Pittsburgh. Also, the local police
did
> > investigate the wrong case for over a month.
> >
> > So this is FBI's jurisdiction, but the FBI doesn't go "cruising for
crime,"
> > a concerned principal in this case must "file a formal complaint."
Nobody
> > has.
> >
> > The Internet
> > Web Warrior killed.
> > Cover-up and obstruction of justice predicted, detected and exposed.
> > An anonymous truth-seeker is paying to keep his site open, and there are
> > several mirror sites now in place.
> > It's not just zeros and ones anymore.
> >
> > to top
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ----
> > First an overview, from Usenet. Keep in mind, this is largely how we
saw
> > it at the time. A few more facts and corrections keep coming to light,
ever
> > confirming our predictions.
> >
> > Subject: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
> >
> >
> > overview, from Usenet:
> >
> > Subject: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu (Doug Bashford)
> > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:55:13 GMT
> >
> > on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 (Flaagg) wrote:
> > about: Re: Who killed Web Warrior Steve Kangas?
> >
> > >I R A Aggie writes:
> > >>Why hasn't the Clinton News Network would have been
> > >>blaring this from the rooftops for months?
> >
> > Bashford:
> > I don't know them. But some guesses? Perhaps they just
> > don't know about it. It's received a television piece in
> > L.A., and about 6 newspaper articles across the nation,
> > mostly right-wing, not much publicity.
> >
> > But perhaps more importantly, when I said Scaife was a
> > Grand master of propaganda and information-bending, that was
> > not hyperbole. I'm in awe of the man. His cover-up
> > and news black-out lasted over a month. By then the police
> > had concluded suicide and the body cremated. But more
> > importantly, Scaife sent Rex Armistead P.I., and one of the
> > reporters from his tabloid out to smear Steve Kangas during
> > all this time.
> > Not a pretty picture. Armistead is the famous dirt-digger
> > used against Clinton, and various multi-million dollar covert
> > operations. Against Steve Kangas, Web Warrior!???
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Below is part of the team sent to smear Kangas under the
> > guise of an "investigation":
> >
> > 22-Mar-99 excerpt from Salon magazine:
> > http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/04/cov_20news.html
> >
> > ** Starr deputy met with
> > ** Scaife private investigator
> >
> > ** LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Deputy
> > ** Whitewater independent
> > ** counsel W. Hickman
> > ** Ewing Jr. has quietly met several times during the
> > ** course of his investigation with a private eye
> > ** employed by conservative philanthropist
> > ** Richard Mellon Scaife, according to two federal law
> > ** enforcement sources. One Whitewater investigator
> > ...
> > ** official files of the independent counsel. The law
> > ** enforcement official called the meetings between
> > ** Ewing, who is Starr's chief deputy in Little Rock,
> > ** and the private investigator, Rex Armistead, "either
> > ** the worst case of judgment or something worse."
> >
> > ** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
> > ** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
> > ** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
> > ** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
> > ** according to sources and documents.
> > ....
> >
> > Scaife's tabloid's (Tribune Review) hit-piece was ugly.
> >
> > ** , to investigate and discredit President Clinton
> >
> > For example, that Kangas was found with a copy of
> > Hitler's Mein Kampf when he was found. It was in all the
> > news. Steve's Web friends never believed it. Just a few days
> > ago, it turns up that Steve's very own mother was the source
> > of that lie. Now she just doesn't know where she got that
> > idea, and she's angry. Well, Armistead took both Steve's
> > mourning parents under his wing. Dad is seemingly still
> > Rex Armistead's toady.
> >
> > Is that brilliant, or what?
> >
> > At any rate, it's all about propaganda and epistemology.
> > Steve can no longer be seen as a knight in shinning armor.
> > Scaife painted him as a womanizing drunk loser thief Nazi.
> > Limbaugh had a field day with it. Who will carry that
> > banner into battle? It's not polite.
> >
> > >Because nobody cares?
> > >Just a guess.
> >
> > Ya....so it seems....
> > http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/ Kangas's Web site.
> >
> > Links about Kangas' death:
> > http://www.columbia.edu/~jpg40/sk/kangas.htm
> >
> >
> > -- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com--
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ----
> >
> > The below series of Usenet posts includes most of one thread from the
> > hundreds on Usenet news about the Kangas case.
> > Subject: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> > The original thread has 18 replies and can be found along with all the
rest
> > of them on www.dejanews.com; keyword: Kangas.
> > Some of the redundant quoting of previous replies has been removed (over
1/3
> > of the total volume) since this can be read at one sitting, and is not
> > stretched over a week's time. While it could use more editing, to
remove
> > the redundancies caused by time and my posting to many discussions
> > simultaneously, I've left it pretty much intact, there are little
details
> > that I fear to remove. I've highlighted some of the major points or
concepts
> > in color or bold for those who prefer just to skim this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Included below you will find
> >
> > some of the discrepancies in this case,
> >
> > some of the more plausible theories,
> >
> > evidence of a professional anti-Kangas troll,
> >
> > and the chronology, who knew what when,
> > that police might still not know about. Because the political
newsgroups
> > are basically debate forums, the weaker possibilities have been weeded
out,
> > yet perhaps some good ones were not noticed. Indeed, not even all the
major
> > questions I have, nor what I see as key evidence is addressed here.
> > The basic structural flaw in all of this is: Nobody wants to talk about
> > this, we only know what we read in the newspapers. A foundational flaw.
> > Yet that picture might be better than what some of the principal players
> > knew. After all, Usenet knew about the news blackout and Scaife's
> > involvement a month before the police did. And while we suspected
Hitler's
> > Mein Kampf was a plant, we thought a physical book was found. It never
> > existed.
> >
> > What's startling is how many of the theories that might on the surface
> > appear to have been extracted out of thin air have only been confirmed
as
> > the facts became known. Prediction is the strongest indicator of
> > understanding. Before the March 14 newspaper articles, there were
basically
> > no facts. The first newspaper article to hit Usenet was the
> > Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead smear job of Steve Kangas in Scaife's
Pittsburgh
> > Tribune-Review tabloid.
> >
> > There was a powerful sucking sound as that obvious hatchet-job filled
the
> > information vacuum. The Scaife-Armistead-Tribune-Review propaganda team
> > were practiced in the game of exploiting that terrible empty vacuum, the
> > confusion, and human vulnerability caused by the unexpected death of a
loved
> > one from the Vince Foster case.
> >
> > In any situation where there is a factual vacuum, one quickly recognizes
> > that there are an infinite number of possible explanations. The trick
is to
> > falsify as many as possible, then see which pieces can be assembled into
a
> > picture. From there we compare the several pictures to see which of
those
> > most closely fits our understanding of reality. I hint at one or two of
> > those reasonable plausibilities here.
> >
> > My conclusion? This case needs to be investigated by an objective third
> > party such as the FBI. I think even a surface investigation will answer
> > these questions. Going out on a limb, specifically:
> >
> >
> > 1) Don Adams and cohort should be investigated, and/or given a lie
detector
> > test.
> > 2) The coroner and detective that night also.
> > It's that simple.
> >
> > While the rest of the discussion is in chronological order, I moved this
> > next article from the bottom to the top of the thread because it's
important
> > to understand the chronology of this case. Particularly if Scaife is to
be
> > charged with obstruction of justice. It was cut and paste from another
> > thread, then modified to conform with my notes.
> >
> >
> > Chronology
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT
> >
> > This debate defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
> > One guy gives a Scaife tabloid version, and I fill
> > in the gaps.
> >
> > on Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:00:09 -0500,
> > about: Re: Why Did Dick Scaife MURDER Steve Kangas?
> >
> > >Treb 'or, auditioning wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 29 Mar, Rob Robertson wrote:
> > >> >Treb 'or wrote:
> > >> >> On Fri, 26 MarRob Robertson wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >The Scaifes had never met, seen or heard of Mr. Kangas. They
> > >> >> >became aware of his anti-Scaife sentiments only through his
> > >> >> >Web site, after his death."
> >
> > Treb 'or wrote:
> > >> >> Then why did Scaife change all the locks in his
> > >> >> office immediately after Kangas was murdered?
> >
> > Rob Robertson wrote:
> > >> > the locks
> > >> >were added to the public area restrooms after it was discovered
> > >> >that a Scaife-obsessed homicidal/suicidal maniac had holed up in
> > >> >there for several hours.
> >
> > Bashford:
> > There is no evidence he "holed up" there. That's another
> > unsupported Scaife tabloid assertion.
> >
> > Treb 'or wrote:
> > >> you just proved my point. How
> > >> did Scaife known Kangas was a 'Scaife-obsessed ...maniac',
> > >> as you put it, before he even knew who Kangas was? As you indicated,
> > >> Scaife must have known Kangas' politics from the beginning, and he
> > >> could only have known that if he'd 'met' (and murdered) him that
day.
> >
> > Rob Robertson wrote:
> > > Pay close attention;
> >
> > Yes, I'll add what you left out of your timeline:
> >
> > >1) Kangas commits suicide on the 39th floor of One Oxford Centre.
> >
> > Bashford:
> > 1B)
> > Kangas died late on Feb 8, and
> > his body was moved to the coroner's office on Feb 9.
> > Scaife's minions were questioning Steves's Web
> > friends on that same date, asking about "leads to friends,
> > former friends or employers." Of course shocked, his
> > friends were very talkative, wanting to help.
> > That evening Scaife's reporter, Rich Gazarik "informs"
> > Steve's friend Mike Huben that Kangas comited "suicide"
> > and that he had found Huben by reading Steve's Web site.
> > I assume Gazarik had first noticed
> > the Scaife page, -- it's far more obvious. Scaife
> > withholds all resulting information of the Kangas-Scaife
> > connection (not a random drifter) from the police for five
> > weeks.
> >
> > 1C)
> > Epiststemology: Mike Huben "knows" that Steve
> > Kangas commited "suicide" and was "drunk".
> > As this news spreads via e-mail, Steves's Web friends at first
> > think "investigation" is a cruel hoax after email to Scaife's
> > reporter, Rich Gazarik, is not returned. Something smells
> > fishy. That odor will grow.
> >
> > ==================
> > insert from Private Email: Date: Fri, 12 FebThe below is spooky. Almost
> > everything here seemingly went up in smoke.. Like it had been wiped of
> > fingerprints. Is this series just another coincidence?. It very well
could
> > be. If not, what could explain the erie lack of useable evidence?
> > Armistead's "investigation?" No doubt. Bad luck? Some...but....
> > >This is bad news. Considering that there are some
> > >serious loony toons among our opponents, the chances
> > >of foul play are high.
> > ...
> > But Steve's body was found on the 39th floor of an office building,
> > which seems a little bit odd. And all the way out in Pa.
> > I would bet that something brought him to Pa. other than
> > thoughts of suicide.
> > He was a writer so it is likely that he was researching
> > material there.
> > Can someone post the exact date of his death?
> > I would like to try and find a few details.
> > If the office building had a name, such as Rayburn Bldg,
> > that may also help.
> >
> > Given the above circumstance, and that the deceased is
> > from out of town, there would not be a very complete
> > investigation unless there was strong forensic evidence
> > to prompt one.
> >
> > What the people who are closest to him need to do is;
> >
> > At his home/office check his e-mail and correspondence.
> > See if he was corresponding with anyone in the area of his
> > death.
> >
> > Check his schedule book, or program, and see if there were any
> > appointments to meet people in the area of his death.
> >
> > Do a word search on his hard disk for the State, town and
> > hotel he died in. Include [....]
> >
> > CHECK HIS PHONE BILLS FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS!!! Look for long
> > distance calls to the area of his death. Also cross reference
> >
> > Check his credit card statements, where had he used his credit cards.
> >
> > Check all his cancelled checks, see where he wrote checks.
> >
> > How did he get to Pa.? Did he drive or take a plane, train or bus?
> > Where is his car? The contents of the car need to be gone through.
> > Especially look for cash register receipts dropped on the floor, under
> > the seat, etc. These would show the date, time and location of
> > purchases, even at a McDonalds.
> >
> > Also the contents of his pockets, wallet, etc. would also be
> > checked for the above material.
> >
> > The odds are that the police in the town of his death would do
> > none of the above if they can close the file as a suicide.
> > They would also not request the police in Steve's hometown
> > to check these things unless they had evidence of foul play
> > to begin with.
> >
> > If anybody is in contact with the people close to Steve and [....]
> > =====================
> >
> >
> > >2) Run-of-the-mill story about depressed drifter killing himself.
> >
> > Yes, four days after Kangas's death, a 46 word story
> > in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
> > But the Scaife tabloid, the Tribune-Review has
> > a news black-out on Kangas in effect.
> > That's what Steves friend's saw: nothing.
> > Nobody on the Web could find that story with standard
> > search engines.
> >
> > >3) Kangas' bizarre Scaife-obsession is discovered.
> >
> > Why the coverup by Scaife's tabloid??
> > NOT ONE word, even though (SCOOP!) they knew within
> > 36 hours? Two pages out of 300 is hardly an obsession.
> > TIME and Newsweek mag each did more articles more on Scaife
> > this year alone.
> >
> > >4) Investigation, detailed stories, and bathroom lock change follows.
> >
> > oooops! and police are STILL NOT notified.
> > Is that a felony? It is if a murder attempt is
> > was made but not reported. And obstruction of
> > justice? You bet. But why?
> >
> > Feb 13...My e-mail to kang...@resurgent.com bounces back.
> > He was just using it on Usenet a few days before he died.
> > Who pulled the plug? When? Was Steve's Presario server
> > there, operated remotely from his apartment as he had
> > planned? If so, who got it?
> >
> >
> > Our Web investigation begins and e-mail
> > flys as recognition that Scaife may be behind this dons:
> > "Isn't Richard Mellon Scaife from Pittsburgh?"
> > ================================
> > insert from Private Email, Tue, 16 Feb 1999Subject: I hope I am being
> > paranoid now, but ... >I think whoever called is pulling a scam. From
the
> > way [name]
> > >described it, it sounded like they wanted as much info on Steve
> > >as they could get.
> > >
> > >If it's a scam, they are willing to play dirty. You, be
> > >careful what you say about Steve to anyone you aren't at
> > >least reasonably familiar with. Steve's safety could be
> > >riding on it.
> >
> > ...what was the name of the Pittsburgh newspaper where the
> > reporter called you again?
> >
> > I ask because Richard Mellon Scaife's newspaper is in Pittsburgh.
> > I sincerely hope this is a paranoid question and that we will be
> > able to laugh at my paranoia at some point if it is.
> >
> > If it isn't just my paranoia,[....]
> > =================================
> >
> > 5) Death finally confirmed by calling coroner's office
> > on on 2/18. They report the police have "closed the file"
> > on the Kangas case. Web friends stunned: not a hoax.
> >
> > On 2/20 Steve's death is mentioned in one of the Politics
> > threads of Salon's Table Talk forums in conjunction with
> > Scaife's foundation HQ.
> >
> > 2/23, 46-word obit by Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, of February 12,
> > discovered, mentioning One Oxford Centre.
> > Web friends confirm that One Oxford Centre is Scaife's HQ
> > from a Congressional letter addressed there.
> > I ask, "Who's Scaife?..duh..."
> > "This is getting real weird, we need to call the FBI."
> >
> > 6) Web begins to boil, for example:
> > * >on Fri, 19 Feb "Milt" wrote
> > * >about: Kangas on the VRWC:
> > * >>In honor of our friend, Steve Kangas,
> >
> > * on Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:16:34 GMT,
> > * (Studebaker Hawk) wrote:
> > * about: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death...
> >
> > Would Scaife's news blackout and cover-up have
> > continued indefinitely without the Web involvement?
> >
> > 7)
> > Scaife now has some MAJOR explaining to do. His random
> > drifter ploy is not sticking. It's about to blow.
> > How can the Grand master of Conspiracy and Slur spin this?
> >
> >
> > Below is how those on one Newsgroup saw the Kangas issue.
> > Other newsgroups have the same theme.
> > The red bracketed numbers are the number of replies in a "thread".
> >
> >
> > 8)
> > March 14, the news blackout blows. Three articles published
> > in Pittsburgh, some picked up by AP. Usenet interest in
> > this explodes.
> >
> > Scaife's Murder Conspiracy and Slur of Kangas saturates Usenet:
> >
> >
> > 9)
> > March 17, Quoting Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, headline:
> >
> > Police seek to question Scaife in man's suicide
> > [...]
> > * Deputy police Chief Earl Woodyard said police who
> > * investigated the shooting at the time were unaware of any
> > * potential connection between Kangas and Scaife.
> >
> > * Woodyard said police are "taking a second look at the
> > * possibility" Kangas might have traveled to Pittsburgh to
> > * confront or attack Scaife. "Everything points to a
> > * suicide, but the article in the Post-Gazette brought up
> > * all these connections. We were not aware of his past
> > * involvement with the Internet or the liberal
> > * organizations."
> >
> > * Detectives "are going to interview Mr. Scaife, if he'll
> > * submit to an interview," Woodyard said.
> >
> > [...]
> > * According to Woodyard, detectives might also be interested
> > * in talking with Rex Armistead, a Mississippi private
> > * detective who has traveled the country in search of
> > * information on Kangas' background. Armistead previously
> > * had worked as an investigator on the so-called "Arkansas
> > * Project," which Scaife funded on behalf of the American
> > * Spectator magazine. The project was launched in Clinton's
> > * first term to dig up negative information on the
> > * president's background.
> >
> > > Do try to keep up. >Rob Robertson
> >
> > Yes. Do that.
> > Stay tuned.
> > Up next, some epistemology on this. Scaife is
> > good, real good....
> >
> > -- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com--
> >
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> >
> > Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc, alt.society.liberalism,
> > alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.clinton, alt.cabal
> >
> > Subject: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> >
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 GMT
> >
> >
> > In 36FD1C36...@dev.null
> > on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> > about: Re: Kangas' Web Site STILL remains Unrefuted.
> >
> > "Tom Potter" wrote:
> > >> >Because of the class warfare kind of brainwashing
> > >> >that is common in the Public Education Monopoly,
> > >> >rather than going out and competing in a free and open market,
> > >> >the mind of Kangas was filled with hate for the people who
> > >> >were successful in the free market, so that when he did not
> > >> >succeed in the free market, rather than try, try again,
> > >> >he bought a gun, and engaged in his own little class war.
> >
> > Doug Bashford wrote:
> > >> Oh. So you think wild speculation stated as fact
> > >> is valid, do you? Ok. He was murdered by the man
> > >> who hid his relationship with Kangas for a month
> > >> from police. The same man who slings hate, slander
> > >> and disrespect with the full force of his ample powers. Funny
> > >> heroes you guys seem to worship.
> >
> > "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> > >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> >
> > There's plenty.
> >
> > > Also there is no evidence that Richard even had
> > >the slightest idea that Kangas existed.
> >
> > I suppose that Scaife's newspaper and Armistead started
> > their investigation within 36 hours of Kangas's
> > death without Scaife's knowledge? Within
> > 36 (perhaps sooner, I don't know) there was an
> > investigation underway, and Kangas's friends and
> > Web friends were being questioned by Scaife & Co.
> >
> > Too bad for Scaife. He should be charged with
> > obstruction of justice, at minimum.
> >
> > So Duane, why would a respectable man hide this
> > relationship from the police for a month? Don't
> > you find his news blackout a bit odd? After all,
> > the real newspaper in town ran a 46 word obit four
> > days after Kangas' death. Two days AFTER Scaife's
> > tabloid began it's intensive investigation.
> >
> > Why did Scaife hide from the police?
> > Why did his tabloid cover for him?
> >
> > >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> >
> > That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> > Would you like some more? There's plenty.
> >
> > -- Douglas bashford at psnw dot-com-- Middle-of-the-road extremist.
> >
> > - Dear Politicians:
> > - Seek to increase individuals' wealth and freedom
> > - rather than stimulating the gross economy. Consider abundance
> > - and wholeness instead of so-called; "economic growth".
> > - Growthmania consumes what it promises. Ecology delivers.
> >
> >
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
> > Date: 28 Mar 1999 06:10:21 GMT
> >
> > Doug Bashford wrote:
> >
> > > Why did Scaife hide from the police?
> > > Why did his tabloid cover for him?
> > >
> > > >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> > >
> > > That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> > > Would you like some more? There's plenty.
> >
> > "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> > All you have provide here is not a lick of proof, only speculation. And
> > the biggest lie is about Richard hiding from the police, hell they were
> > there on day one. If you had the slightest idea about the duties of a
> > bodyguard, you would know that any apparent threat is to be thorough
> > investigated, and there is no law that states this investigation has to
> > be reported to the police. Who knows which Kangasite will be waiting and
> > where to finish what Kangas failed in his attempts to off Richard. It is
> > called common sense, not proof of murder. Your ideas are completely full
> > of holes.
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Duane K. Kelly
> >
> > The Big Lie | http://www.kellyfreehold.com/spam/
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> > ========================================================
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:50:33 GMT
> >
> >
> > In 36FDC7D3...@dev.null
> > on 28 Mar 1999 06:10:21 GMT,
> > "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
> > about: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> >
> > >Doug Bashford wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In <36FD1C36...@dev.null>
> > >> on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> >
> > >> That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> > >> Would you like some more? There's plenty.
> >
> > "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> > >All you have provide here is not a lick of proof, only speculation.
> >
> > Bashford:
> > You don't read too well do you? I said it was
> > not proof, just evidence. And I didn't post
> > speculation, just facts and the questions
> > that logically follow from them.
> >
> > But if you see speculation there, who could blame you?
> > The questions raised are self evident.
> >
> > > And the biggest lie is about Richard hiding from the
> > > police, hell they were there on day one.
> >
> > But Scaife was hiding, wasn't he?
> >
> > It's fact. There was a newspaper headline a month later because
> > police had only then learned of the Scaife-Kangas connection.
> > Perhaps you would care to assert that Scaife just forgot to
> > tell the police?
> >
> > >If you had the slightest idea about the duties of a
> > >bodyguard, you would know that any apparent threat
> > >is to be thorough
> >
> > I don't give a rat's ass what P.I. Rex Armistead did.
> > I'm talking about Scaife.
> >
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
> > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:32:15 GMT
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 GMT, see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug
> > Bashford ) wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Why did Scaife hide from the police?
> > >Why did his tabloid cover for him?
> > >
> > >>Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> > >
> > >That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> > >Would you like some more? There's plenty.
> >
> > jv...@usa.net (Van) wrote:
> > There are also the new burglar alarm system Steve Kangas bought, the
> > server he bought and the domain name that he registered in
> > anticipation of a huge increase in web traffic to his political page.
> > Verifiable facts. There is also that bullet found in the clothing
> > store of a ground floor shop at One Oxford Centre. There are many
> > loose ends that will probably never be tied up. But Occam's Razor and
> > the Law of Parsimony don't favor any simple suicide theory no matter
> > how the Daunes on these lists slime their tales.
> >
> > Van
> >
> > ******************************************
> > Steve Kangas Mirror Site
> > http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
> > The truth lives on
> > ******************************************
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > It seems we may have a professional troll below?
> > This debates Scaife's tabloid articles:
> >
> > Subject: RE: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> > From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:06:16
> >
> > Van wrote:
> >
> > > the Law of Parsimony don't favor any simple suicide theory no
> > > matter how the Daunes on these lists slime their tales.
> > > Van
> >
> > "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> > This is true, it was not and is not a simple suicide case, it was a
> > foiled assassination attempt by Kangas to murder Richard Scaife. The
> > action of Richard after the foiled attempt, the investigation Kangas to
> > find out who he was, and if there is more just like him is justified as
> > a security measure, a measure that you claim Kangas made prior to his
> > leaving LV, yet you justify one, and claim the other is an admission of
> > guilt. (Can you say double standard?).
> >
> > With all the people that Kangas stole from in LV, $30,000 by his
> > own admission to his former employer. (which he lost by the way
> > attempting to start an S&M web site), how much more did he steal
> > from employers, or owe in gambling debts to the mob
> > in LV? I would say the new alarm system was in
> > regards to a fear of retaliation from the mob over gambling
> > debts, or a disgruntled employer or "business partner". As for
> > Kangas's "new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear
> > he could not afford being his room mate had to sell as
> > compensation to pay Kangas's share of room rent that was
> > several month pass due. Then there's the thousands of dollars
> > that Kangas expected from his popular uprising in contributions
> > that never materialized. Instead, he had to sell his car
> > to even afford the 9mm he shot himself with, and purchase a bus
> > ticket to Pittsburgh with only $14 and change left to his name.
> > How depressing for Kangas,
> > all of you Kangasites had most surely let him down... or did
> > he blow all the contributions on wine, women, and gambling debts?
> >
> > If Richard knew who Kangas was, why did it take over 72 hours to find
> > out who his friend were and to start questioning them? If he had
> > known who Kangas was or viewed him as even the slightest threat his
> > investigators and security team would have been there in less than 24
> > hours, not 72. Security personnel are a whole lot more thorough than
> > that concerning know threats, or possible threats, and all this
> > information would have already been compiled. Been there, done that,
> > I know the procedure.
> >
> > Therefore, the implication that the beefed up security and the
> > investigation into Kangas life is some sort of admission of guilt,
> > or that Richard has something to hide is the dumbest of all
> > accusation I have heard from any Kangasites with the
> > exception of the out and out lie by Gail
> > claiming Kangas was shot twice with a shotgun IN Richards
> > personal bathroom. (This alone proves that the Kangasites
> > will lie when the truth would answer better in a bleak effort
> > to coverup the assassination attempt bungled by Steve).
> >
> > [note: Gail has publicly denied claiming Kangas was shot
> > with a shotgun, and lack of evidence strongly suggests
> > that she did not. -db]
> >
> > Speaking of lies, BTW Van, the shop mentioned where the bullet hole was
> > found was not in, or a part of the One Oxford Center as you claimed.
> > "Near" is not the "ground floor shop at One Oxford Centre" as you so
> > kindly twisted it.
> >
> > "Police also will examine any possible link between Kangas and a bullet
> > slug that Woodyard said was discovered near one of the One Oxford shops
> > around the same time Kangas killed himself."
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990317scaife4.asp
> >
> > It's a big city, with lots of people, and no connection between the two
> > have been linked. It was merely a cautionary investigation, and prove
> > that the Police Department had done a very thorough investigation. The
> > bottom line is still suicide. Time of discovery and time of occurrence
> > as to when the bullet actually penetrated the window, could just as
> > easily been days or weeks. (You act as if Kangas had the only 9mm in
> > town or the first time one was discharged in the city limits. You all
> > must not get out very often).
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Duane K. Kelly
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> > From: "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:09:52 -0500
> >
> > Van wrote:
> > > Law of Parsimony as stated by William of Ockham
> > >
> > > Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
> > >
> > > Van
> >
> > Any reference to this parrot as a going concern is null and void.
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Duane K. Kelly
> > --
> > I do not refer to myself as a "spam hater", but an internet lover who
> > has no desire to see it destroyed out of greed, be it in the name of
> > business, charity, or any other so called "public interest".
> >
> > The Big Lie | http://www.kellyfreehold.com/spam/
> > Join the fight against Spam! | http://www.cauce.org
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> > post: http://www.kellyfreehold.com/usenet.html
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> > Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> > From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:21:23 GMT
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:09:52 "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
> > wrote:
> > >Any reference to this parrot as a going concern is null and void.
> > >
> >
> > As dumbass Duane tries to cover his ignorance with bluster. It's like
> > trying to cover a pile of shit with a cocktail napkin. His next
> > routine is to smear the dead....sing song.
> >
> > Van
> > --
> > +=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:54:55 GMT
> >
> >
> > ooops, sorry not much new evidence in this post.
> > Just a little overview perspective.
> >
> > michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) or is it Mike Kelley
> > or is it Duane K. Kelly us...@dev.null
> > or some other Scaife toady Wrote:
> >
> > >X-Complaints-To: ab...@worldnet.att.net
> > >Van wrote:
> >
> > >> On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:07:52 Doug Bashford wrote:
> > >>> on 27 Mar "Duane K. Kelly" wrote:
> >
> > >>> >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> >
> > Bashford:
> > >>> So Duane, why would a respectable man hide this
> > >>> relationship from the police for a month?
> >
> > Bashford:
> > You never answered, Duane, or Mike, or whom ever you are.
> > I notice you (and the other Kelly, (or is it Kelley?)?)
> > both seemingly materialized with the Scaife-Armistead tabloid
> > smear-job of Steve Kangas.
> > 530 messages since. You've been a busy toady, Duane.
> >
> > Why did I check on you? Because you exactly parrot the
> > Scaife tabloid. Then ooops! I did a search on kelly and
> > found he was the one who INTRODUCED the Scaife-Armistead
> > smear to Usenet. Mmmmmm....
> >
> > Remember this next post quoting from Scaife's tabloid?
> > Extract:
> > ??-
> > In <36ecaf7a.2053841@news> on Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:17 GMT,
> > Re: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death...
> > michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) wrote:
> >
> > ??- So much for the Web Warrior.
> > ??-
> > ??- From;
> > ??- http://www.triblive.com/news/rkan0314.html
> > ??-
> > ??- Tribune Review Regional News - March 14, 1999
> > ??-
> > ??- Scaife-obsessed man sought him, but took own life
> > ??-
> > ??- By Richard Gazarik TRIBUNE-REVIEW
> > ??-
> > ??- Last month, Steve Kangas of Las Vegas bought
> > ??- a 9mm pistol, a bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey
> > ??- and a bus ticket to Pittsburgh.
> > ??-
> > ??- It would be a one-way trip.
> > ??-
> > ??- Almost immediately after arriving on Feb. 8,
> > ??- Kangas went to One Oxford Centre. He walked
> > ??- around inside the towering office complex for a
> > ??- time, then hid out in a public restroom on the
> > ??- 39th floor.
> > ??-
> > ??- Nine hours later, drunk to the point of
> > ??- incoherence, Kangas shot and killed himself in
> > ??- the restroom - on the same floor as the offices
> > ??- of Richard M. Scaife, the publisher of the
> > ??- Tribune-Review and a nationally known backer of
> > [chop]
> >
> > Bashford:
> > What a smear....if he'd drank 2/3 as much, he could
> > have legally driven. But wait. This tale was concocted a
> > month after Kangas died. Is it just a random and expensive
> > smear of a "nobody" lefty? Or just the ravings of a crazy
> > paranoid? What real (economic theory) purpose might it serve?
> > ("crazy" Time magazine 10-FEB-99)
> >
> > Follow the money, I say.
> >
> > >>> Why did Scaife hide from the police?
> > >>> Why did his tabloid cover for him?
> >
> > >>> >Irrelevant, there is no evidence that Kangas was murdered,
> >
> > >>> That's evidence, pal. Not proof, just evidence.
> > >>> Would you like some more? There's plenty.
> >
> > Van wrote:
> > >> There are also the new burglar alarm system Steve Kangas bought,
> > >> the server he bought and the domain name that he registered in
> > [...]
> >
> > A gun and burglar alarm purchased about the same time?
> > What do they have in common, a critical man might ask.
> > Defense. Of what? Something very valuable?
> >
> > Does Rex Armistead's intensive search come to mind about now?
> >
> > > This is true, it was not and is not a simple suicide case, it was a
> > > foiled assassination attempt by Kangas to murder Richard Scaife.
> >
> > Isn't failure to report attempted murder a felony?
> >
> > You are such a tabloid parrot. That's all you are,
> > isn't it? A paid Scaife toady and troll perhaps?
> > $12 an hour perhaps? An old Usenet trick first documented
> > in the IBM/Apple wars. Paid trolls.
> >
> > Ok, Duane. Back up your slander.
> > I've been patiently backing up my assertions. With TIME
> > or Salon magazine or a real newspaper's quotes. What do
> > you have besides the Scaife sleazy tabloid? And his AP
> > feeds. Nothing?
> >
> > > With all the people that Kangas stole from in LV, $30,000 by
> > > his own admission to his former employer.
> >
> > 1) Back up "stole", slanderer.
> >
> > > (which he lost by the way attempting to start an S&M web site),
> >
> > 2) Support "S&M web site".
> >
> > > owe in gambling debts to the mob in LV?
> >
> > 3) Support that wild assertion stated as fact.
> >
> > Oooops... Can't do it? All you have is the word of
> > sleazy tabloid with 1/10 the circulation of the Fresno Bee?
> > ("sleaze" TIME magazine Feb 21 1999)
> >
> > > I would say the new alarm system
> > > was in regards to a fear of retaliation from the mob over gambling
> > > debts, or a disgruntled employer or "business partner".
> >
> > Oh, would you now!? Well your unsupported postulations
> > certainly need serious consideration, don't they?
> >
> > > If Richard knew who Kangas was, why did it take over 72 hours
> > > to find out who his friend were and to start questioning them?
> >
> > Good point! It didn't take 72 hours.
> > But the police NEVER did. Why?
> >
> > > If he had known
> > > who Kangas was or viewed him as even the slightest threat his
> > > investigators and security team would have been there in less
> > > than 24 hours, not 72.
> >
> > It took less than 36 hours (see above). Will a reputable man
> > like you call me a liar for 1/2 day?
> >
> > [NOTE: later checking: it did take less than
> > 24 hours for Gazarik to question Huben. --db]
> >
> > > Security personnel are a whole lot more thorough than
> > > that concerning know threats, or possible threats, and all this
> > > information would have already been compiled. Been there,
> > > done that, I know the procedure.
> >
> > So it seems. 24 hours was a pretty good guess!
> > Ooops.
> >
> > > that Richard has something to hide
> > > is the dumbest of all accusation
> >
> > It's hardly accusation there, pal. It's documented fact.
> > Perhaps you would care to posit that Team Scaife just "forgot"
> > to notify the police that the police didn't have a clue? That
> > they were investigating a random suicide when it was not?
> > That even by YOUR words it was attempted murder!?::
> >
> > > it was a foiled assassination
> >
> > I believe failure to report that is a felony.
> >
> > THAT, my friend IS evidence. No, not proof.
> >
> > Have the police pressed charges?
> > No? THAT, my friend IS evidence.
> > Call in the FBI.
> >
> > > "Police also will examine any possible link between Kangas and
> > > a bullet slug that Woodyard said was discovered near one of the
> > > One Oxford shops around the same time Kangas killed himself."
> > > http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990317scaife4.asp
> >
> > Ah yes, THAT article. A month after Kangas dies, they
> > write:
> > Police seek to question Scaife in man's suicide
> > * Wednesday, March 17, 1999
> > * By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
> >
> > * Pittsburgh homicide detectives want to question
> > * conservative philanthropist and publisher
> > * Richard Mellon Scaife in a widening
> > * investigation into the death of a man
> > * who shot himself outside Scaife's offices at One Oxford
> > * Centre.
> >
> > * A deputy police chief said interest [Image]
> > * in the death of Steve Kangas was Prior article:
> > * renewed following published reports ....link....
> > * in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Death sparks
> > * revealed that Kangas, a former Army conspiracy theory
> > * intelligence officer, had published
> > * articles on the World Wide Web
> > * accusing Scaife of backing a [Image]
> > * right-wing conspiracy against
> > * President Clinton. Detectives now want to know if Scaife
> >
> > IOW, Scaife had successfully hid the Kangas/Scaife connection
> > for over a month! Oooops...it wasn't a random suicide??
> > If they had known that Steve Kangas had died on his
> > enemy's door-step, (or even a friend's,) they would have
> > investigated a whole new world...
> >
> > > Duane K. Kelly
> >
> > Or is it michae...@home.com (Mike Kelly) or is it Mike Kelley
> > or is it Duane K. Kelly? Michael Kelley or Mike Kelley? How
> > about Duane K. Kelley? Michael K. Kelley? Jeepers, not
> > Rich Gazarik!? laughingggg! It doesn't really matter.
> > A toady by any name is still....
> >
> > Anyway Duane (may I call you that?), the reason I wrote
> > this silly ad hominem article is that it seems like it's
> > the only way to deal with those whose only argument is
> > ad hominem. At least Right Wingers seem to consider it
> > valid. In the future,
> > I expect I'll give you the intellectual and logical credit
> > your "arguments" deserve and utterly ignore your posts.
> >
> > -- Douglas bashford
> >
> > ironic quote of the day by:
> > Kelly Freehold Anderson,
> > in an attempt to get your home address,
> > Owner: Duane K. Kelly wrote:
> > "Here at Kelly Freehold we have a very firm belief, there
> > are those that like to hide and yell great obscenities while
> > pretending to be great... then there are those who will
> > stand up and be counted. Those that are not afraid to
> > stand up like a man...."
> > and think for themselves, not merely parrot
> > with out independent facts nor logic the thoughts
> > of their peers....
> > ========
> > [note: that was the last we heard from "Duane K. Kelly" --db.]
> > other evidence & ideas...
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: mcg...@otter.mbay.net (Donald R. McGregor)
> > Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:04:31 GMT
> >
> > In article <37058a67....@news.psnw.com>,
> > Doug Bashford wrote:
> >
> > >>but the PC in question was a Compaq Presario,
> > >
> > >Citation please.
> >
> > Dejanews, Kangas' post.
> >
> > --
> > Don McGregor |"Yes, vanity is a weakness indeed. But pride
> > mcg...@mbay.net | is a real superiority of mind, pride will be
> > | good regulation" --Mr. Darcy, _Pride &
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: shea_...@deja-news.com (shea_...@deja-news.com)
> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:19:09 GMT
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Mar, "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
> >
> > >"new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear he could not
> >
> > What do you think a "server" is, generally?
> >
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:33:43 GMT
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:19:09 GMT, shea_...@deja-news.com
> > (shea_...@deja-news.com) wrote:
> >
> > >What do you think a "server" is, generally?
> >
> >
> > Duane's obviously in over his head with an anchor for a life raft.
> > His next move will be to scandalize the dead.
> >
> > Van
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:54:53 GMT
> >
> >
> > Van wrote on 30 Mar 1999 19:15:21 GMT
> > [huge chops]
> > Bashford quoting Salon magazine:
> > ** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
> > ** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
> > ** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
> > ** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
> > ** according to sources and documents.
> >
> > Bashford:
> > >THAT is what is being used against Web warrior Steve Kangas.
> >
> > Rex Armistead must be very "talented" indeed.
> > Beware of stereotypes.
> >
> > >> Because the Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead tabloid article was such an
> > >> obvious hatchet-job and smear of Steve, I have chosen to disregard
> >
> > >> From that I see three possibilities:
> > >> 1) Steve committed suicide.
> > >> 2) Steve met with Scaife (all facts and logic lead to this).
> > >> 3) Steve was caught with his hand in the files. (holes, but
> >
> > Van:
> > >*the case. I think your interpretation, that Scaife met with
> > >*Steve Kangas in the afternoon is the most plausible. I don't
> >
> > ...
> > >*Scaife to come in and take a whizz is simply ludicrous. A
> > >*question I'd like to know is whether Scaife has private security,
> > >*ie., body guards and if so, have they been questioned.
> >
> > Bashford:
> > Scaife has a reputation for being paranoid. I've heard it
> > said that only Pres. Clinton has better security. I doubt
> > that. So draw your own conclusions. From what I've seen
> > of Scaife's slanderous tabloid, that alone would warrant security.
> > Indeed, I'm surprised you have not concluded that Rex Armistead
> > is a big part of security as well as propaganda. I have.
> >
> > >* The fact is Steve was
> > >*seen on surveillance cameras coming into the building in the afternoon
> > >*and he disappeared until seen in the bathroom outside of Scaife's
> > >*offices late at night.
> >
> > That is a fact. Also the camera system was spotty. From that,
> > I can draw no conclusions, other than the fact you stated.
> > However his observed behavior is consistent with wandering
> > about till an appointment. Perhaps he went sight-seeing.
> > Perhaps he had a few drinks with Scaife later.
> > Others have insinuated the tapes were doctored. I have
> > utterly nothing to base that on, so I disregard it.
> >
> > >* Another question I'd like to know is whether
> > >*Scaife has living quarters in the building. The building is
> > >*listed as a building with both. >*Van
> >
> > I think an executive washroom, a bed, a wet bar, and a
> > small wardrobe, minimum, would normally be assumed for an office
> > of any executive of Scaife's stature, (paranoia,) and means.
> >
> > >> Again, an FBI investigation would clear this up. My focal point
> > >> would be: who is "building engineer Don Adams"? All assumptions
> > >> rest on him. Give him a lie detector test.
> > >
> > >And if he dies or disappears? Or refuses a lie detector test?
> > >Who here will call that coincidence?
> >
> > Newspaper quote:
> > >++ According to the police report, Kangas made eye contact
> > >++ with Adams, who asked him, "Are you OK?" The report said
> > >++ Kangas mumbled something and Adams told him to stay put
> > >++ and he would get help.
> > >
> > > "stay put and he would get help."
> >
> > That would corroborate the blood Adams spotted then.
> > Some think he had already been shot once, others think
> > he was being worked over and surprised, others just
> > don't believe Don Adams.
> >
> > The question remains, why did Kangas need help?
> >
> > >++ Adams told police he went outside to radio for a
> > >++ colleague. When the men returned, they found Kangas fully
> > >++ clothed, sitting on the toilet, covered with blood.
> >
> > [To *RADIO* for help? Who is Don Adams?
> > Maintenance or security?]
> >
> > >>>*+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>*A routine check of electrical circuit breakers????
> > >>>*Say what!?
> > >>>
> > >>>++ building engineer Don Adams was making a
> > >>>++ routine check of electrical circuit breakers in the men's room
> > >>>++ down the hall from the Scaife foundation offices when he found
> > ....Kangas in dire need of help.
> >
> > >>*There is no routine check of such circuit breakers.
> > >>*I worked for [named] Electric Power Company for 15 years.
> >
> > Ooops.
> >
> > More evidence and logic to come.
> >
> > -- Douglas bashford
> > ========
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> > From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
> > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:23:16 GMT
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:20:50 -0500, "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"shea_...@deja-news.com" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 "Duane K. Kelly" us...@dev.null wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >"new server" (that turned out to be a PC) it is clear he
> > >> >could not
> >
> > >> What do you think a "server" is, generally?
> > >
> > >The hardware, and software. Personal Computers (PC) can double
> > >as a server, though prone to crashing, and security breaches,
> > >and a very poor substitute.
> >
> > You say....and it's only a red herring at best. "Clear that
> > he could not" turns magically into "can double as" as if you're
> > saying something besides just trying to cover your own ignorance.
> > What next....going to smear the dead some more?
> >
> > There's Duanes ass and there's a hole in the ground -- and poor Duane
> > is left scratching his head trying to figure which is which. You
> > might learn to read and try to know at least a little about a subject
> > before you post.
> >
> > Van
> > ****************************************************
> > Is NT server 4.0 right for me?
> > Author: Steve Kangas
> > Date: 1998/10/07
> > Forum: microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup
> >
> > "Help!" cried the newbie.
> >
> > I am about to launch a high-traffic website. My ISP has told me I
> > can co-locate my own personal server at his location to handle
> > the website. For my server, I have bought a Compaq Presario
> > 5020, with 128 megs of RAM, 6 gigs of disk space and a
> > Celeron 300 processor. I have yet to configure it.
> >
> > I am now looking for appropriate server software. Would
> > Windows NT Server 4.0 with ISS be suitable, considering
> > all the above?
> >
> > I'm also going to use FrontPage to design the website. Does
> > NT server 4.0 come with all the appropriate FrontPage
> > extensions or CGI to run FrontPage, or do I have to add that
> > myself? (Specifically, I'm wondering about all the usual
> > capabilities -- counters, discussion lists, chatrooms, built-in
> > email messages, etc.)
> >
> > Also, I'll be operating my server remotely from my house. What
> > are the licensing issues involved? Do I need only one license?
> > What about the thousands of people who visit my site on the
> > Net?
> >
> > MS literature seems really lame addressing these issues --
> > perhaps you guys can give clearer and better information.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Steve
> > ********************************************************
> >
> > ******************************************
> > Steve Kangas Mirror Site
> > http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent
> > The truth lives on
> > ******************************************
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:50:42 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> >
> > > TIME MAGAZINE 23-JUL-97
> > > "Richard Mellon Scaife, agitator
> >
> > > "If conservative thinkers like Bill Bennett and Paul
> > > Weyrich are the brainpower behind the resurgent
> > > American right, the horsepower comes from
> > > Richard Mellon Scaife. For close to four decades,
> > > the 64-year-old Pennsylvanian has used his
> > > millions to back anti-liberal ideas and their
> > > proponents.
> > > ----------end quote
> >
> > A "Scaife" search of the TIME archives will find words like
> > "crazy", "rabid", "kooky", "Larry Flynt" and "sleaze"
> > to describe Scaife or his Pittsburgh tabloid. Check it out.
> > http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/
> >
> > Bashford:
> > > There are now hundreds of Usenet articles, perhaps 50 threads
> > > regarding the mysterious death of liberal Web warrior Steve
> > > Kangas. Was it suicide, murder, a foiled burglary or a foiled
> > > murder? To me, the most logical is a meeting gone bad.
> >
> > > Perhaps the billionaire found something he could not buy.
> >
> > > Right Wing icon and billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife
> > > has launched a smear campaign against Kangas with his Pittsburgh
> > > newspaper and infamous (see Ken Starr) investigator, Rex Armistead
> > > and is sniveling because the competing Pittsburgh
> > > newspaper has written some contrary articles questioning the
> > > death of Kangas. All this after a month-long news blackout
> > > while Usenet was buzzing about this issue. It's interesting
> > > to check Dejanews and watch some vague ideas crystallize
> > > as the facts become known. And it's revolting to watch
> > > Steve's enemies escalate Steve's going to strip joints into
> > > being a pornographer, etc, out of thin air.
> >
> > > From the competing paper, the Post-Gazette:
> > > http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990314suicide1.asp
> > >
> > > ++ Headline: Death sparks conspiracy theory
> > > ++ Sunday, March 14, 1999
> > > ++ By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
> > >
> > > ++ A former Army intelligence officer shot himself to
> > > ++ death last month in a restroom outside conservative
> > > ++ philanthropist and publisher Richard Mellon Scaife's
> > > ++ Downtown offices, and Scaife has assigned a private
> > > ++ investigator to determine whether the incident was a
> > > ++ bungled assassination attempt.
> > >
> > > ++ [Image]++ Steven R. Kangas died in the
> > > ++ Steven R.++ late hours of Monday, Feb.
> > > ++ Kangas++ 8, on the 39th floor of One
> > > ++ ++ Oxford Centre.
> > >
> > > ++ The shooting of the 37-year-old Las Vegas man attracted
> > > ++ little attention at the time, and Pittsburgh police and
> > > ++ the Allegheny County coroner's office quickly ruled it a
> > > ++ suicide.
> >
> > In fact, now we know why. Scaife hid his relationship
> > with Kangas from the police for a month, even while Scaife's
> > minions, Rex Armistead and Rich Gazarik had
> > in less than 36 hours launched his smear campaign against
> > Kangas and was questioning Kangas's friends and Web friends.
> >
> > That Kangas may have died three to six hours before it
> > was reported is at this point pure speculation.
> >
> > The Post-Gazette continues:
> > > ++ Since then, though, the Internet has churned with
> > > ++ speculation about Kangas.
> > >
> > > ++ For the past month, according to Kangas' friends and
> > > ++ family, Mississippi private investigator Rex Armistead has
> > > ++ traveled the country, trying to learn what interest Kangas
> > > ++ might have had in Scaife.
> >
> > Funny the police were not aware of Scaife's involvement.
> > The police investigated it as a random suicide by an
> > aimless drifter. So guess what they concluded?
> >
> > > ++ Kangas had recently sold his share of a gambling business
> > > ++ in Las Vegas, and he ran the "Liberalism Resurgent" page
> > > ++ on the World Wide Web. The page published extensive
> > > ++ criticism of conservatives, and some of its writings
> > > ++ asserted that Scaife was the financier of a right-wing
> > > ++ conspiracy to topple President Clinton.
> > > [chop, end quote]
> > >
> > > One "conspiracy" idea:
> > > 1) Steve's purchase of a gun and burglar alarm are also consistent
> > > with guarding something very valuable, including self.
> > > 2) Scaife hid the Kangas-Scaife connection for a month from
> > > the police.
> > > 3) Scaife is acting irrationally regarding the Armistead thing.
> > > A quick investigation might have been rational.
> > > 4) Armistead has been given permission to open Steve's mail,
> > > documents, etc by the family. (I assume Steve's email and
> > > Website too.)
> > > 5) Steve said he was going to collect some money from two people.
> > > 6) Scaife's Gazarik newspaper smear of Steve seems to have been
> > > fed by Armistead's "facts".
> > >
> > > It appears to me that Scaife is searching for something, and he
> > > has a legitimate cover for this search. There are other
> > > scenarios postulated regarding these curious facts on Usenet.
> > > Why an expensive and rabid investigation/smear of a
> > > "nobody"?
> >
> > Indeed. The same force Scaife normally uses against Clinton,
> > et al. On Kangas? Why?
> >
> > from:
> > http://www.salonmagazine.com/news/1998/04/cov_20news.html
> >
> > [chop]
> >
> > ** Armistead, a former top Mississippi law enforcement
> > ** official, was paid $250,000 by the Arkansas Project,
> > ** a covert, $2.4 million operation funded by Scaife,
> > ** to investigate and discredit President Clinton,
> > [chop]
> >
> > THAT is what is being used against Steve Kangas.
> >
> > > Because the Scaife-Gazarik-Armistead newspaper article was such an
> > > obvious hatchet-job and smear of Steve, I have chosen to disregard
every
> > > word there an go instead by the three other (are there more?) articles
> > > published by the reputable Pittsburgh newspaper. ( For example, I
> > > disregard the slur that Steve was hiding in the restroom for hours.)
> > > From that I see three possibilities:
> > > 1) Steve committed suicide.
> > > 2) Steve met with Scaife (all facts and logic lead to this).
> > > 3) Steve was caught with his hand in the files. (holes, but
plausible)
> >
> > > Again, an FBI investigation would clear this up. My focal point
> > > would be: who is "building engineer Don Adams"? All assumptions
> > > rest on him. Give him a lie detector test.
> >
> > And if he dies or disappears? Or refuses a lie detector test?
> > Who here will call that coincidence?
> >
> > Post-Gazette newspaper:
> > ++ According to the police report, Kangas made eye contact
> > ++ with Adams, who asked him, "Are you OK?" The report said
> > ++ Kangas mumbled something and Adams told him to stay put
> > ++ and he would get help.
> >
> > "stay put and he would get help."
> >
> > ++ Adams told police he went outside to radio for a
> > ++ colleague. When the men returned, they found Kangas fully
> > ++ clothed, sitting on the toilet, covered with blood.
> >
> > >>*+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>*A routine check of electrical circuit breakers????
> > >>*Say what!?
> > >>
> > >>++ building engineer Don Adams was making a routine check of
> > >>++ electrical circuit breakers in the men's room down the
> > >>++ hall from the Scaife foundation offices when he found
> > >>*[...]
> > e-mail from: Kevin O'Connell lighton...@hotmail.com
> > http://members.tripod.com/~Kevin_OConnell
> > >*There is no routine check of such circuit breakers.
> > >*Unless you are checking for a specific problem those
> > >*things are installed and then ignored until a problem
> > >*occurs. I worked for [named] Electric Power Company
> > >*for 15 years. The first five of those years I was a
> > >*field worker in a trouble shooting section. Part of
> > >*my duties was assisting the lead worker checking customer
> > >*complaints. Part of what I did was to take the covers
> > >*off of the circuit breaker boxes and check the connections.
> > >*Even in commercial installations there is no reason to
> > >*take these things apart unless there is an actual problem.
> >
> > >*...But for insurance and licensing reasons these checks
> > >*are performed by licensed electricians, not by the
> > >*regular maintenance staff.
> >
> > [cough] Guess what that means?
> > Do we have a pattern here?
> >
> >
> > > on Sun, 7 Mar (milton brewster) wrote:
> > > about: Re: Steve Kangas Found Shot To Death In Richard Mellon Scaife's
> > > Bathroom
> > > >
> > > >Several of us have known for about three weeks that Seven Kangas,
> > > >a very well-known and thoughtful Usenet poster on many political
> > > >and economic issues, was found dead of a gunshot wound in the
> > > >Scaife Executive offices in Pittsburgh, PA. That's right: THAT
> > > >Scaife-- Richard Mellon Scaife.
> > > >
> > > >* * * * *
> > > >
> > > >Kangas was a Doctoral Candidate at UC: Santa Cruz and maintained
> > > >an extensive web site reporting his well-researched academic (but
> > > >readable) analysis of political issues important to Liberals,
> > > >Conservatives, Libertarians, Anarchists-- and just about anybody
> > > >who is interested in American Politics.
> > > >
> > > >His death is sincerely mourned by many of us. We also have many
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > Many of us would like to
> > > >know a lot more than the conveniently hasty investigations of the
> > > >Pittsburgh Police and Coroners' office finally reported.
> > > >
> > > >I invite everyone to go to DejaNews right now, type in "Steve
> > ...
> > > >milton brewster
> >
> > > >In article , m...@netcom.com says...
> > > >> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Of over 300 well organized html pages, Scaife is
> > > mentioned in two.
> > >
> > > Kangas' multiple award winning Web site:
> > > http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/tenets.htm
> > > Kangas on Scaife:
> > > http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/L-clintonrightwingconspiracy.html
> > >
> > > -- Douglas bashford
> >
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> > From: see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug Bashford )
> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT
> >
> > This article defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
> > One guy gives his version, and I fill in the gaps.
> > [removed to top]
> > ====-+=-+=-+=-+-====
> >
> >
> > Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc, alt.society.liberalism,
> > alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.clinton, alt.cabal
> >
> > Subject: Re: Evidence of Kangas' murder.
> > From: jv...@usa.net (Van)
> > Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:26:27 GMT
> >
> > On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:55:03 GMT, see.m...@theBeach.edu ( Doug
> > Bashford ) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >This article defines the rough Kangas case timeline.
> >
> > >Yes, four days after Kangas's death. But the Scaife
> > >tabloid has a news blackout on Kangas in effect. Web
> > >friends stunned. Not a hoax.
> >
> > I wonder who talked to the family about cremation and on what
> > day this occurred. If the story had been reported in full
> > from the beginning, things may have taken a different turn.
> >
> > Van
> > --
> >
> > #E7D9CC 490080
> > Key words:
> > Steve Kangas, Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Mellon Scaife,
> > Steve Kangas, Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead, Mike Huben,
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Rich Gazarik, Rex Armistead
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
> > Jan Lankheet, Robert Esh, Richard Gazarik, Richard Mellon Scaife,
> > ...
> >
> > So that's one path that can be walked. Not delved into
> > were a great many things. Such as the differing accounts
> > Don Adams gave to police, the evidence that Steve Kangas may
> > have been shot twice, and perhaps twenty things that others
> > found important that I did not. There are also some
> > discrepancies, clues and hunches that we just don't
> > have the resources to
> > investigate, but are better left secret until the FBI get
> > involved. Evidence is too easy to destroy.
> > Also, I didn't mention the
> > heartbreak and frustration of his friends trying to contact
> > Steve's parents to offer condolences, their efforts to save
> > his Web site, nor the vast amount of time and energy people
> > spent doing the footwork, nor the times when everything
> > seemed to be a setup, or when we realized that we had
> > left a great security door unlocked, and it seemed we were
> > following all the wrong leads, perhaps bait in a tangled
> > Web. I don't want to do this again.
> >
> > Since nobody in power seems to give a damn,
> > the only things that might change now are that
> > the failure to report a possible homicide
> > (Scaife's claim) is illegal, or that his obstructions of
> > justice were illegal in Pennsylvania.
> > And if so, will the Scaifeburgh authorities
> > follow up on it? Perhaps Steve Kangas
> > was right again.
> >
> > Some links.
> >
> > Web warrior
> >
> > Steve Kangas's home page. There are also 6 mirror sites.
> >
> > Steve Kangas' -- Liberalism Resurgent, some mirror sites:
> > http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/
> > http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/
> > http://home.att.net/~jbvm/Resurgent/
> > http://resurgent.virtualave.net
> >
> > A letter from John Van Matre.
> >
> > For all the newspaper articles and television
> > transcripts of the Kangas case in chronological order try
> >
> > Jason Gottlieb's page.
> >
> > My
> >
> > summery and extractions
> > from the May 3 '99
> > Washington Post front page article on Scaife, his
> > mean streaks, history, and personality.
> >
> > The full May 3 Washington Post article, Part two of a Scaife series
> > that expalains Scaife's history, powers and personality:
> >
> > May 3 washingtonpost.com.
> >
> > Salon magazine article 22-Mar-99 describes Scaife's
> > high powered dirt-digger, evidence contaminator, and witness-twister,
> >
> > Taxes, why the Rich should pay more.
> > This page is: http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/kang-ev0.html
Winston Smith
<ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote:
If that's a threat, I must confess I'm not afraid of you. Unfortunately
you don't know who I am, and if you thought you did, you would be wrong.
Winston Smith
Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
No seriously, I'm glad that the lying socialist weasel had enough heart to
put himself out of his misery instead of Scaife who was the monster of his
id.
Winston Smith
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
> "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
> Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
> very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
> discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
>
> Dance weasels dance:
>
> http://www.hampsterdance.com
>
> This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
> suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he notified
> me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was classic
> and I answered only, "kill yourself".
My, are you taking credit for saving Scaife? There might be a reward.
Bob Vandervoort
As you may already know, David Horowitz (former 60's Leftist radical now
a conservative) runs a very brash, no-holds-barred website against Political
Correctness. He posted an article on a particularly gruesome crime that
occurred in Wichita, Kansas recently.
What I find especially interesting is that Jared Taylor's American
Renaissance group (http://www.amren.com/) is definitely a strong advocate of
immigration reform. While Horowitz takes issue with some of Jared Taylor's
positions, he acknowledges their often very valid points. Horowitz said he
"makes no apologies" for posting a piece from American Renaissance
(including a link to their site) and that "Taylor is a very intelligent and
principled man."
So I think this should be welcomed as good news, that at last the debate
is finally being opened up to a wider audience and these PC taboos about
race, immigration, crime etc. can finally be honestly addressed and talked
about.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1908
Horowitz on Fox Newsmaker Sunday
David Horowitz discusses his campus campaign and his pamphlet How the Left
Undermined America's Security.
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July 18, 2002
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The Wichita Massacre
By Stephen Webster
American Renaissance | July 16, 2002
This article is taken from the August, 2002, issue of American Renaissance,
.
On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what
has become known as the Wichita Massacre. The two black men are accused of a
week-long crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four
young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. In all, the Carr
brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. They face 58 counts each,
ranging from first-degree murder, rape, and robbery to animal cruelty.
Prosecutors will seek the death penalty.
The only survivor of the massacre is a woman whose identity has been
protected, and who is known as H.G. In statements to police and in testimony
at an April 2001 preliminary hearing, the 25-year-old school teacher offered
horrible details of what happened on the night of Dec. 14, 2000. That
evening, a Thursday, H.G. went to spend the night at the home of her
boyfriend, Jason Befort. Mr. Befort, 26, a science teacher and coach at
Augusta High School, lived in a triplex condo with two college friends:
Bradley Heyka, 27, a financial analyst, and Aaron Sander, 29, who had
recently decided to study for the priesthood.
When H.G. arrived with her pet schnauzer Nikki around 8:30 p.m., her
boyfriend Mr. Befort was not there, but the two roommates were. A short time
later, Mr. Sander's former girlfriend, Heather Muller, a 25-year-old
graduate student at Wichita State University who worked as a church
preschool teacher, joined them. At about 9 p.m., H.G. went to her
boyfriend's ground-floor bedroom to grade papers and watch television. Mr.
Befort came home from coaching a basketball practice around 9:15, and at
10:00, H.G. decided to go to bed. Before joining H.G in bed, Mr. Befort made
sure all the lights in the house were turned off and all the doors were
locked. Mr. Sander was sleeping on a couch in the living room while his
former girlfriend slept in the second ground-floor bedroom. Mr. Heyka slept
in a room in the basement.
Shortly after 11 p.m., the porch light came back on, to the surprise of Mr.
Befort, who was still awake. H.G. says that seconds later she heard voices,
then shouting. Her boyfriend cried out in surprise as someone forced open
the door to the bedroom. H.G saw "a tall black male standing in the
doorway." She didn't know how the man got into the house, and police
investigators have not said how they think the Carrs got in. She says the
man, whom she later identified as Jonathan Carr, ripped the covers off the
bed. Soon, another black man brought Aaron Sander in from the living room at
gunpoint and threw him onto the bed. H.G. saw that both men were armed. She
said they wanted to know who else was in house, and the terrified whites
told them about Mr. Heyka in the basement and Miss Muller in the other
ground-floor bedroom. The intruders brought them into Mr. Befort's bedroom.
"We were told to take off all of our clothes," says H.G. in her testimony.
"They asked if we had any money. We said: 'Take our money . . . Take
whatever you want.' We didn't have any (money)."
The Carrs, however, were not at that point interested in money. They made
the victims get into a bedroom closet, and for the next hour brought them
out to a hall by a wet bar, singly or in pairs for sex. In the
closet-perhaps 12 feet away from the wet-bar area-the victims were under
orders not to talk. H.G. says that when the Carrs heard whispering they
would wave their guns and shout "Shut the fuck up."
The Carrs first brought out the two women, H.G and Heather Muller, and made
them have oral sex and penetrate each other digitally. They then forced Mr.
Heyka to have intercourse with H.G. Then they made Mr. Befort have
intercourse with H.G, but ordered him to stop when they realized he was her
boyfriend. Next, they ordered Mr. Sander to have intercourse with H.G. When
the divinity student refused, they hit him on the back of the head with a
pistol butt. They sent H.G. back to the bedroom closet and brought out Miss
Muller, Mr. Sander's old girlfriend. H.G. testified she could hear what was
going on out by the wet bar, and when Mr. Sander was unable to get an
erection one of the Carrs beat him with a golf club. Then, she says, the
Carr brothers "told [Aaron] that he had until 11:54 to get hard and they
counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54." The deadline appears to have
brought no further punishment, and Mr. Sanders was returned to the closet.
The Carrs then forced Mr. Befort to have intercourse with Heather Muller,
and then ordered Mr. Heyka to have sex with her. H.G. says she could hear
Miss Muller moaning with pain.
The Carrs asked if the victims had ATM cards. Reginald Carr then took the
victims one at a time to ATM machines in Mr. Befort's pickup truck, starting
with Mr. Heyka. While Reginald Carr was away with Mr. Heyka, Jonathan Carr
brought H.G. out of the closet to the wet bar, raped her, and sent her back
to the closet. Reginald Carr returned with Mr. Heyka, and ordered Mr. Befort
to go with him. Mr. Heyka was put back in the closet but said nothing about
his trip to the ATM machine. Mr. Sander asked Mr. Heyka if they should try
to resist, assuming they would be killed anyway, but Mr. Heyka did not
reply. While Reginald Carr was away with Mr. Befort at the cash machine,
Jonathan Carr ordered Heather Muller out of the closet and raped her.
When Reginald Carr returned with Mr. Befort, H.G. volunteered to go next.
Mr. Carr let her put on a sweater, but nothing else, and said he liked
seeing her with no underwear. He ordered her to drive the truck to a bank,
and told her not to look at him as he crouched in the back seat. "I asked
him if he was going to hurt us and he said, 'No,' " she says. "I said, 'Do
you promise you're not going to kill us?' and he said, 'Yes.' "
H.G. got money from the cash machine and adds, "On the way back, he said he
wished we could've met under different circumstances. He said I was cute,
and we probably would've hit it off." When the two got back to the house,
Reginald Carr raped H.G. and ejaculated in her mouth. Jonathan Carr raped
Miss Muller again, and then he raped H.G. one more time. Afterwards, the
intruders ransacked the house looking for money. They found a coffee can
containing an engagement ring Jason Befort had bought for his girlfriend.
"That's for you," he told H.G., "I was going to ask you to marry me." That
is how H.G. learned her boyfriend planned to propose to her the following
Friday, Dec. 22.
At one point, says H.G., Reginald Carr "said something that scared me. He
said 'Relax. I'm not going to kill you yet.' "
The Final Ride
The Carrs led the victims outside into the freezing night. At midnight it
had been 17.6 degrees, and there was snow on the ground. The Carrs let the
women wear a sweater or sweatshirt, but they were barefoot, and naked from
the waist down. The men were marched into the snow completely naked. The
Carrs tried to force all the victims into the trunk of Aaron Sander's Honda
Accord, but realized five people would not fit, and made only the men get
into the trunk. Reginald Carr ordered H.G. to join him in Mr. Befort's
truck, and Jonathan Carr drove the Accord with the three men in the trunk
and Miss Muller inside. As Mr. Carr drove her off, H.G. noted the time: It
was 2:07 a.m., three hours since the ordeal began.
After a short drive, both vehicles stopped in an empty field. Reginald Carr
ordered H.G. to go sit with Miss Muller in Mr. Sander's car. A moment later,
she saw the men line up in front of the Honda. In her testimony H.G. said,
"I turned to Heather and said, 'They're going to shoot us.' "
The Carr brothers ordered H.G. and Miss Muller out of the car. Miss Muller
stood next to Mr. Sander, her former boyfriend, while H.G. stood beside her
boyfriend, Mr. Befort. The Carrs ordered them to turn away and kneel in the
snow. "As I was kneeling, a gun shot went off," says H.G. "[Then] I heard
Aaron [Sander]. . . . I could distinguish Aaron's voice. He said, 'Please,
no sir, please.' The gun went off."
H.G. heard three shots before she was hit: "I felt the bullet hit the back
of my head. It went kind of gray with white like stars. I wasn't knocked
unconscious. I didn't fall forward. Then someone kicked me, and I had fallen
forward. I was playing dead. I didn't move. I didn't want them to shoot me
again."
As H.G. lay in the snow, the Carrs drove off in Jason Befort's pickup,
running over the victims as they left. H.G. says she felt the truck hit her
body, too.
"I waited until I couldn't hear any more," she says. "Then I turned my head
and saw lights going. I looked at everyone. Everyone was face down. Jason
[Befort] was next to me. I rolled him over. There was blood squirting
everywhere, so I took my sweater off and tied it around his head to try and
stop it. He had blood coming out of his eyes."
In the distance, H.G. saw Christmas lights. Barefoot and naked, with a
bullet wound in the head, she managed to walk more than a mile in the
freezing cold, through snow, across a field and construction site, around a
pond, and through the brush, until she reached the house with the lights.
She pounded frantically on the door and rang the doorbell until the young
married couple who lived there woke up. "Help me, help me, help me," she
pleaded. "We've all been shot. Three of my friends are dead." (At the time,
H.G. thought her boyfriend was still alive.)
The couple wrapped H.G. in blankets, and reached for the phone to dial 911,
but she would not let them call. She was afraid she would die, and wanted to
tell what had happened. She described the attackers and what they did, as
the couple listened in amazement at her courage and determination. Only when
she was sure they knew her story did she let them call the police. Still
thinking she would die, she asked them to call her mother-"Tell her I love
her"-and her boyfriend's parents. She was worried about the children she
teaches, and kept wondering "Who's going to take care of the kids in
school?"
When the police arrived they questioned H.G. briefly before paramedics took
her to the hospital. From her description of Mr. Befort's truck, they were
able to get the license plate number from the vehicle's registration
records, and put out an alert. As dawn broke, radio and television stations
were broadcasting the plate number. H.G. did not know that after the Carrs
shot her friends they drove back to the triplex and loaded Mr. Befort's
truck with everything of value they could find. They also committed their
final killing. The police found H.G.'s pet schnauzer Nikki lying in a pool
of blood on a bed, probably shot.
By 7:30 a.m., police had a report that the missing truck was outside a
downtown apartment building, and that a black man had been carrying a
television set up to one of the apartments. The police moved in to seal off
the area. Two officers knocked on the door of the apartment, and after
several minutes a white woman named Stephanie Donly opened the door. She was
Reginald Carr's girlfriend, and shared her apartment with him. Police caught
Mr. Carr as he tried to slip out a window.
The police learned from Miss Donly that Reginald's brother Jonathan was
driving a late model Plymouth Fury. Shortly after 12:00 p.m. they found the
car parked outside a house in a black part of town. Jonathan Carr was there
with his girlfriend of a few days, Tronda Green. He bolted when he saw the
police, but was caught after a short chase. Fewer than 12 hours after the
murders, Reginald and Jonathan Carr were both in custody.
Other Victims
That night's quadruple murder was only the most gruesome of a series of Carr
brother attacks. Late on the night of Dec. 7, 2000-just one week
earlier-Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old white man, stopped at a Kum and Go
convenience store in East Wichita. Reginald and Jonathan Carr forced
themselves into his car at gunpoint and made Mr. Schreiber drive to various
ATM machines and withdraw money. "I was just hoping if I did what they said,
they'd let me live," he says. The two split up, and one followed in another
car as they made him drive to a field northeast of town. There they
pistol-whipped him, dumped him out of the car, and fled in the other vehicle
after shooting out Mr. Schreiber's tires.
Four days later, the Carrs tried to hijack 55-year-old Linda Walenta's SUV
while she sat in it in the driveway of her suburban East Wichita home. The
Carrs were looking for an SUV in which to drive people at gunpoint to ATMs.
They thought they could keep their victims out of sight in a large vehicle
as they drove through town. One of the brothers approached Mrs. Walenta,
apparently asking for help of some kind. She was suspicious because she
thought a car had been following her, and rolled her window down just a
little to hear what he was saying. He stuck a gun sideways into the opening,
and shot her several times as she tried to drive away. Mrs. Walenta, a
cellist in the Wichita Symphony Orchestra, survived the shooting but was
paralyzed from the waist down. She was able to help police in their
investigation, but died of her wounds three weeks later, on January 2, 2001.
Wichita police confirmed the Carr link to all the crimes when a highway
worker found a black .380 caliber Lorcin semi-automatic handgun along Route
96, a highway near the soccer field where the massacre took place. The
Kansas state crime lab confirmed that it was the weapon used to kill Mrs.
Walenta and H.G.'s friends, and to shoot out the tires of Andrew Schreiber's
car. No one knows what other crimes the brothers may have committed, but
they certainly appeared guilty of these.
The Carr trial is scheduled to start on Sept. 9, but has been delayed by
defense maneuvering. On June 13, Judge Paul Clark denied a motion to move
the trial out of Sedgwick County. The defense cited a poll showing 74
percent of Sedgwick County residents thought the Carrs were either
"definitely guilty" or "probably guilty," and argued the brothers could not
get a fair trial in Wichita. However, no trial has been moved from Sedgwick
County in more than 40 years, and this one will stay.
The defense wanted separate trials because the lawyers for each brother will
try to blame the crimes on the other. The lawyers argued they will both be
trying to help convict the other brother, so it will be like having two
prosecutors for each defendant. Prosecutor Nola Foulston pointed out that
many people accused of committing crimes together are tried together, and
since the trial is expected to last a month and involve 70 witnesses, two
trials would be too much expense and inconvenience.
Jonathan Carr's lawyers also tried to get him declared unfit to stand trial,
but on April 8, 2002, Judge Clark reviewed the reports of two mental health
experts, and ruled him competent. The reports are under seal, so the grounds
for the motion are not known.
If the Carr brothers' lawyers do try to blame each other's client, the jury
will learn that both have long criminal records. Jonathan Carr's appears to
be under seal but at least parts of his brother's are public. In 1995,
Reginald Carr was sentenced to 13 months in prison for theft. He was also
ordered to serve six months each for aggravated assault and subverting the
legal process. In 1996, he was sentenced to 28 months on a drug charge. He
was paroled on March 28, 2000, but that November was booked for drunk
driving. A few days later he was back before a judge, charged with forgery
and parole violation. Police mistakenly let him out six months early on Dec.
5, 2000, just two days before he robbed and beat Andrew Schrei-ber, and
started his week of crime. Had police followed correct procedures Jason
Befort, Bradley Heyka, Aaron Sander, Heather Muller and Ann Wal-enta would
probably still be alive.
"Has No Bearing"
Although the perpetrators are black and all their victims white, the Wichita
police have dismissed race as a motive. Prosecutor Foulston says the Carr
brothers chose their victims at random, not because they were white, and
that the motive was robbery. "It reasonably appears that these were isolated
incidents where individuals . . .were chosen at random . . . a random act of
violence," she says. "The fact that the defendants and victims happen to be
of different races has no bearing. Let's just look at the underlying
crimes." The Wichita media consistently downplayed the racial angle.
However, as news of the crimes spread across the Internet, many people began
to wonder if the Carrs would be charged with hate crimes. In fact, it does
not appear that Mrs. Foulston or police investigators even looked for a
possible racial motive. According to the testimony of the April 2001
preliminary hearing, in which prosecutors determined whether they had enough
evidence to support charges, Mrs. Foulston never asked H.G. or Andrew
Schreiber if the brothers used racial slurs, or expressed hatred of whites.
It is true that Reginald Carr had a white girlfriend, and it may be that the
race of the victims was unimportant to him. At the same time, Jonathan Carr
wore a FUBU sweatshirt, a brand popular with black rappers that is said to
stand for "For Us, By Us." Some blacks wear FUBU clothing as a statement of
black solidarity if not outright rejection of whites.
Louis Calabro of the European American Issues Forum (EAIF) and a former San
Francisco police lieutenant, has written to Mrs. Foulston describing the
FBI's guidelines for suspecting a hate crime when perpetrator and victim are
of different races. Among them are excessive violence, a pattern of similar
attacks, and the cold-bloodedness of an execution-style killing. Combined
with the torture of forcing people naked into a freezing night, and the
degradation the Carrs put their victims through, there is ample reason at
least to suspect a racial motivation.
Of one thing we can be certain: If whites had done something this horrible
to blacks, it would be universally assumed the crime was motivated by racial
hatred. From the outset, police and prosecutors would have investigated the
friends, habits, reading matter, and life history of each defendant. If
either had ever uttered the word "nigger," had a drink with a Klansman, or
owned a copy of American Renaissance, this would be discovered and
brandished as proof of racial hatred. In the Carr case, there appears to
have been no investigation at all. Instead of searching for possible racial
animus, the authorities have simply declared there was none.
Mrs. Foulston dodges the racial question by pointing out that Kansas does
not have a hate crime statute, but the state does specify harsher penalties
for bias crimes. Given that the Carr brothers face the death penalty, this
is a moot point, but Mrs. Foulston has made no attempt to apply these
provisions.
Mrs. Foulston knows some whites are pushing for a hate crimes investigation,
and wants to keep the proceedings secret. She moved to close the court for
the preliminary hearings, saying "we'd have to let the Aryan Nations come in
here if they decided they had an interest." At one hearing, reporters heard
one of Mrs. Foulston's aides tell the judge that the press are
"interlopers," and the public has no "substantial interest" in the case.
Fortunately, Judge Clark recognizes the public's right to observe the
proceedings, and opened them to the public. He did, however, agree to Mrs.
Foulston's motion for a gag order on all lawyers, investigators and
witnesses. The order also prevents release of many records that normally
would be public, including the EMS records, the reports on Jonathan Carr's
mental competence, and records of police interviews. Mrs. Foulston says
secrecy is necessary to ensure the Carrs get a fair trial, but what is in
notes of police interviews, for example, that is so inflammatory it could
prejudice the public? Evidence of racial hatred, perhaps?
Mrs. Foulston did not ask for a gag order in the case of another quadruple
homicide in Wichita just eight days before the Carr brothers' massacre. The
DA's office says that case, in which murderers and victims were black, did
not generate nearly as many requests for public records, but in an open
society, the more interest the public shows in information the more
available it should be. Mrs. Foulston's secrecy has led critics to accuse
her of covering up evidence of racial animus. EAIF's Mr. Calabro believes
the assaults and murders "were racially motivated crimes that the DA and
city of Wichita have no interest in pursuing." Del Riley, a white Wichita
resident who has followed the case, says of his reaction to the DA's
secrecy, "I wouldn't call it outrage, but I'd call it suspicion. This gag
order upsets me."
Once again, we can be certain that if the racial cast of characters were
reversed, there would be no attempt to close the court, and the media
coverage-virtually absent in this case-would be deafening. A white-on-black
crime of this kind would be front-page news for days, and would probably
prompt official condemnation from the President and Attorney General on
down. As we know from the reaction to the murder of James Byrd, dragged to
death behind a truck, a crime of this sort committed by whites against
blacks would put the nation into an official state of near hysteria.
What if the cast had been all-white? It would still have been national news.
In 1959, drifters Dick Hickock and Perry Smith murdered the Clutter family
in Holcomb, Kansas. Like the Wichita case, it was a home invasion,
apparently motivated by robbery. Even without spectacular sexual cruelty,
the Clutter killings were front-page news and the story was immortalized in
Truman Capote's novel, In Cold Blood. Had the Wichita case involved whites
only, the heroics of H.G. alone would have ensured wide coverage. She would
have become a national hero, part of the folklore of strong womanhood.
What if perpetrators and victims had all been black? Some in the media would
have promoted the heroism of the woman who lived to tell of the crime, but
others would have stayed away from the story because such savagery reflects
badly on blacks.
When blacks commit outrages against whites, media executives not only
downplay black misbehavior but believe they must protect whites from
"negative stereotypes" about blacks. If they must report such crimes, they
are likely to link them to editorials calling for tolerance, and pointing
out that the criminals were individuals, not a race. When whites commit
outrages against blacks there are no such cautions; white society at large
is to blame.
The Carr brothers' crimes were treated to a virtual media blackout. The
Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times appear to be the only major
non-Kansas dailies ever to mention the story. Their articles briefly
described the facts of the case, and then focused on Internet discussions
among whites who thought the Carr brothers were hate criminals. The
Associated Press ran stories on the crimes, but they do not appear to have
been picked up outside of Kansas. Within the state, the media dutifully
promoted Mrs. Foulston's categorization of the crimes as "random." The
networks, of course, were silent.
Were it not for the Internet, the Wichita story would have disappeared. It
was only in chat-rooms and on web pages that the crimes had a national
audience. Several sites, such as www.NewNation.org and www.JeffsArchive.com,
have posted newspaper articles about the crimes. The main paper that covered
the case, the Wichita Eagle, stores older articles in a fee-charging
archive, so these sites are virtually the only way the public can learn
about the massacre.
It will be surprising if the trial itself gets national coverage. Kansas
permits television in courtrooms, but so far, the Court TV cable channel
shows little interest in the case despite e-mail requests to its website at
www.CourtTV.com. The Wichita Eagle will probably offer restrained
coverage.The police and media reactions to these crimes-a refusal to think
about race, draw larger conclusions, or even express outrage-are typical of
today's whites, and in stark contrast to the sustained fury we could expect
from blacks if the races were reversed.
Julian D.
<matr...@voyager.net> wrote:
>"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
>| I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>| class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>|
>| Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>| find on the Web?
>|
>| Thanks.
>|
>| Maynard Lee
>
> He was murdered by Richard Mellon Scaife in Scaife's building and later
>clumsily covered up to appear as a suicide. Certainly not the first murder
>committed by Richard Mellon Scaife and most likely not the last (well until
>the cocaine transportation industry is put to extinction). Considering the
>Corporate Monarchy is planning to leave America to poverty, an artifical
>Police State, a huge mass-murder despot regime, and then embark to
>developing China.when the pipeline is actualized it matters little in the
>next decade.
>
> America's only hope is rid ourselves of these self-appointed Royal
>Tyrants and take the smart path back to freedom.
>
> As for the rest of the matter.
>http://www.google.com/search?&q=Steve+Kangas
>GOOGLE [ Steve Kangas ]
>
>http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/tenets.htm
>A Mirror of Steve's Website
>
>http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Aboutme.htm
>About Steve Kangas from his own fingertips.
>
>http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/kang-ev0.html
>(The web page has much better text formatting that I can supply in a USENET
>post)
>
>Evidence of Kangas' murder.
>
>
>Who killed Steve Kangas?
>
Snip the drivel.
This reminds me. It's about time for another famed Kangas Update!
Coming to a political newsgroup near you!
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
"Critics of the war on terrorism don’t seem to understand: someone is trying to kill them."
-Jonathan Alter
NEWSWEEK
Palestinian Children's School Is In Session!!!
http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
On Islamic extremists: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter, National Review Online, September 2001
"100% of the successful terrorist attacks on
commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed
by Arabs. When there is a 100% chance, it ceases to
be a profile. It's called a 'description of the
suspect.'" - Ann Coulter
Julian D.
(Winston Smith) wrote:
>In article <3d3c2bd2$1...@news.sierratel.com>, "Tarver Engineering"
><jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
>> "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
>> > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>
>> Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
>> very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
>> discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
>>
>> Dance weasels dance:
>>
>> http://www.hampsterdance.com
>>
>> This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
>> suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he notified
>> me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was classic
>> and I answered only, "kill yourself".
>
>My, are you taking credit for saving Scaife? There might be a reward.
>
heh
>> > Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>> > find on the Web?
>>
>> In conclusion:
>>
>> Kangas was a nutcase who somehow became to believe that the usenet is real.
>> This belief led him to a drunken suicide in a men's room.
>>
>> John
Silverback
wrote:
>
>maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>
>>I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>>class.
>
> You have *got* to be kidding.
no he is not kidding beckie
>
>>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
><guffaw>
yes he was
>
>>Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>>find on the Web?
>
> He was a commie flake who went screaming off the deep end.
no Steve was a liberal murdereed by scaife
>
> "A paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology class."
>
> Holy shit.
>
> That's the most astounding evidence I've ever seen -- to date --
>of the state of the so-called "academy". If *Kangas* is what it's
>been reduced to, then things are far worse than I ever imagined.
eat shit and die beckie
>
>
>Billy
>
>VRWC Fronteer
>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
=====================================================
GDY Weasel
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
The Nazi Hydra in America an online book of the
fascist influence in America.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
===================================================
Silverback
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Maynard Lee <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>: Thanks, but sorry if I am confused. Did Mr. Kangas kill himself or
>: his assailant Mr. Scafe? Someone else says Mr. Scafe killed Mr.
>: Kangas. And so it is even more confusing.
>
>Kangas killed himself in a drunken stupor in a rest room in
>Scaife's building.
wrong again zarly Steve was murdered by scaife
>
>--
>-- Mike Zarlenga
>
> Inglewood, CA PD .. They treat you like a King. Rodney King.
=====================================================
Silverback
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
>"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
>> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
>Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
>very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
>discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
>
>Dance weasels dance:
>
>http://www.hampsterdance.com
>
>This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
>suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he notified
>me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was classic
>and I answered only, "kill yourself".
so you have always been a piece of shit
>
>> Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>> find on the Web?
>
>In conclusion:
>
>Kangas was a nutcase who somehow became to believe that the usenet is real.
>This belief led him to a drunken suicide in a men's room.
>
>John
>
>
=====================================================
The Big Weasel
(Winston Smith) wrote:
A threat? That's an interesting construction.
Sounds to me like you have just enough decency in you to know that the
way you are behaving is shameful.
I have no interest in exposing you.
Stupendous Man
> In <mike1SPAMKILL-2...@msp-65-25-244-249.mn.rr.com>
> mike1S...@usfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
>
>> John T. Kennedy <jt...@no-treason.com> wrote:
>>>> maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>>>>> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>>>>> class.
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>>
>>> This may be a reference to his status as The Uncle Of The Bookmarklet.
>>> http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
>>
>>
>> Clever boy! (At least I hope you're being clever.)
> Actually I didn't care enough to verify it was the same Kangas, but
> the reference to an "Internet pioneer" might be based on the "other
> Kangas". Whatever.
The Kangas of Usenet infamy didn't do anything remarkable with technology.
Stupendous Man—Enemy of Terrorism
If you really want to be scared, read the book White Plague by Frank Herbert:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0399127216/webteamonewebhos/
msoja
(Silverback) posted:
>wrong again zarly Steve was murdered by scaife
You forgot to mention the part where Scaife cooked and ate Steve
Kangas to gain power over his left wing enemies. ;-)
Mike Soja
John T. Kennedy
<mso...@newsguy.com> wrote:
Bullshit Soja, he didn't cook him.
John Sabotta
John T. Kennedy <jt...@no-treason.com> wrote:
"Only the kings do it." Looking important, Cleton clasped his hands
behind his vack and threw out his chest. "The king's sacrifice can't be
like an ordinary man's, so the difference is that commoners and even
nobles sacrifice animals like we do, but the kings sacrifice people.
Usually they're captives from their raids. You've got to take into
account that the king isn't just a regular man." He winked. "The king's
descended from Tereus - lots of them are named for him - and _he_ was
the son of Pleistorus himself. Pleistorus is the son of Kotytto - that's
our Rhea - and sometimes he's her lover, too. So when the king stands up
there at the alter with his sacred regalia on and chops the head off a
_human being_ , you know he's something more. It's one of the ways he
proves it, see?"
- Gene Wolfe, SOLDIER OF ARETE
JS
msoja
><mso...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>(Silverback) posted:
>>>wrong again zarly Steve was murdered by scaife
>>You forgot to mention the part where Scaife cooked and ate Steve
>>Kangas to gain power over his left wing enemies. ;-)
>Bullshit Soja, he didn't cook him.
What?!? His butler cooked him or something? No one would be sick
enough to eat Kangas raw, would they? Gawd, the mind reels.
But that juju stuff really works, eh? Look what it did to Yeadon and
Jamieson. They've been quivering hulks of mindless twitches and tics
ever since Scaife had Steve up to his place for dinner. Yeow. I'm
gonna buy me a talisman, and quick. You're on your own, but when Al
Gore starts gnawing on the bones of his ol' pal Lieberman don't come
banging on my bomb shelter door...
Mike Soja
*sent twice as no see um after first send*
George Johnson
news:IQs+Pen+sqsFY7...@4ax.com...
| In <0luqju0199mb9r8mk...@4ax.com> msoja
| <mso...@newsguy.com> wrote:
|
| >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:02:49 GMT, gdy5215...@spiritone.com
| >(Silverback) posted:
| >
| >>wrong again zarly Steve was murdered by scaife
| >
| >You forgot to mention the part where Scaife cooked and ate Steve
| >Kangas to gain power over his left wing enemies. ;-)
|
| Bullshit Soja, he didn't cook him.
You never know with "people" of Scaife's mental dysfunction.
Steve Kangas was cremated (which would only leave little crispy ash bits
to examine later). So who knows if Scaife didn't go for a nibble or two
before the medical examiner arrived.
msoja
>In <0luqju0199mb9r8mk...@4ax.com> msoja
><mso...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:02:49 GMT, gdy5215...@spiritone.com
>>(Silverback) posted:
>>>wrong again zarly Steve was murdered by scaife
>>You forgot to mention the part where Scaife cooked and ate Steve
>>Kangas to gain power over his left wing enemies. ;-)
>Bullshit Soja, he didn't cook him.
What, his butler cooked him or something? No one would be sick enough
msoja
a conspiracy.
Mike Soja
Eagle Eye
>| Thank you for this information.
>|
>| One question comes to mind however. Why was Mr. Kangas in the other
>| man's building? Did Mr. Scafe force him to go there?
>|
>
>
> That's a good question.
...which renders your allegation that Kangas was murdered completely
laughable.
> One of many unanswered.
The only unanswered question I care about is what Kangas intended to
do. The most likely answer to that pertinent question is obvious: he
intended to kill Scaife. We may never know, but I've seen no CREDIBLE
case made for any alternative.
> (Kind of reminds me of the murder of Clifford Baxter in many ways.
>Perhaps the same "Scrubbers" were on the job for Scaife as they were for
>Bush?)
>
>http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/steve.htm
[snip]
So you're citing a retard as evidence?
Do one thing for me: take the police report and the textual portion
of the autopsy report (which you've obviously read, right?), scan
them in, and upload them on a website. Then post the URL so we
can judge your theory based upon the available facts.
=====
EE
Honorato libertam et ruat coelum.
Eagle Eye
Silverback <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 08:50:45 -0400, Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>>maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>>>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>><guffaw>
>yes he was
Not the Kangas whose body you regularly drag around. Perhaps
Maynard Lee was thinking of this other fellow, who invented
"bookmarklets" (as JTK so helpfully pointed out):
http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
What did your favorite dragging corpse do besides filling a
large website with ill-conceived political arguments and writing
some software for betting on horses? Those sorts of things do
not qualify one as being an "Internet pioneer".
Why don't you just let Kangas rest in piece? Isn't giving him
that much respect worth more than making a fool of yourself with
transparent conspiracy theories in a vain attempt to smear Scaife?
Tarver Engineering
"The Big Weasel" <ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
news:srupju4gd2ar1dtj5...@4ax.com...
I have repeatedly posted here a tried and true weasel abatement method.
If Winston wants to go with what has already worked, then he is only being
efficient.
It is not our fault your leader was insane.
John
Tarver Engineering
"Silverback" <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:3d3ce3c1...@news.spiritone.com...
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:56:35 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> >> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> >> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> >
> >Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
> >very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
> >discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
> >
> >Dance weasels dance:
> >
> >http://www.hampsterdance.com
> >
> >This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
> >suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he
notified
> >me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was
classic
> >and I answered only, "kill yourself".
> so you have always been a piece of shit
Kangas had no cause to send me hatemail.
It is not my fault your leader was insane.
Davis is quite insane, you know.
John
Tarver Engineering
> In article <3d3c2bd2$1...@news.sierratel.com>, "Tarver Engineering"
> <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
> > "Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
> > > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> >
> > Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels
were
> > very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it
was
> > discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
> >
> > Dance weasels dance:
> >
> > http://www.hampsterdance.com
> >
> > This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
> > suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he
notified
> > me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was
classic
> > and I answered only, "kill yourself".
>
> My, are you taking credit for saving Scaife? There might be a reward.
I never really thought of it that way.
It seemed to me from Steve's email that he was under the influence of a
demon.
I was posting at alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich and getting very impressive
propigation. The weasels had somehow determined that my posts were
hillarious and were assisting in the propigation. Then the Riley Sender bot
was dropped onto the newsgroups and I took to programming it, by tripping
the bot. Soon one of my misspellings was provided a URL and the weasels
began to explode themselves.
I suppose Scaife could send me a thank you letter.
John
veronica floss
maynar...@hotmail.com says...
> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>
> find on the Web?
>
>
> Maynard Lee
>
Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
University of California: Santa Cruz.
Kangas was a very controversial Usenet figure because he stood up
to namecalling in Usenet political newsgroups. He thought the
vilification he saw here, was very much like the persecution of
blacks and jews and other minority groups by segregationists and
Fascists; in Europe and in the US.
Kangas died of a gunshot wound in Richard Mellon Scaife's
personal executive bathroom, under mysterious circumstances.
Scaife owns a Pittsburg Daily newspaper and is a major funding
source for many Far Right political activities. The finding of
suicide was rescinded and the case remains open to this day.
Appalled by political namecalling on Usenet, Kangas started
researching some of the more outragous statements he saw here. He
posted his research to his website. He came to believe that most
of the "noise" was coming from the Far Right, so he named his
site "Liberalism Resurgent." He also believed that in contrast
to the American Far Right; that Liberals depended upon scientific
research to help define their positions on social issues.
Do a google search on the name, Steve Kangas.
Read some of Kangas' old posts, that are still available on
Google:Groups.
You might also find the old Salon article about him, written
about the time he died, six or seven years ago.
You will find his website, a little out of date now. Many people
posting to alt.society.liberalism believe the same things that
Kangas believed, but in our own ways.
Kangas had an impact on Usenet. Seven years after his untimely
death, Conservative posters here STILL vilify him, as this thread
of responses shows.
VeeVee
Tarver Engineering
"veronica floss" <fl...@hygene.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.17a8d494f...@news.sonic.net...
> In article <968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com>,
> maynar...@hotmail.com says...
> > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> >
> > Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> > find on the Web?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Maynard Lee
> >
>
> Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
> University of California: Santa Cruz.
Kangas was not a professor then?
Somewhat like the Unibomber?
> Kangas was a very controversial Usenet figure because he stood up
> to namecalling in Usenet political newsgroups. He thought the
> vilification he saw here, was very much like the persecution of
> blacks and jews and other minority groups by segregationists and
> Fascists; in Europe and in the US.
Kangas was as foul mouthed as they came on the usenet.
> Kangas died of a gunshot wound in Richard Mellon Scaife's
> personal executive bathroom, under mysterious circumstances.
> Scaife owns a Pittsburg Daily newspaper and is a major funding
> source for many Far Right political activities. The finding of
> suicide was rescinded and the case remains open to this day.
No.
> Appalled by political namecalling on Usenet, Kangas started
> researching some of the more outragous statements he saw here. He
> posted his research to his website. He came to believe that most
> of the "noise" was coming from the Far Right, so he named his
> site "Liberalism Resurgent." He also believed that in contrast
> to the American Far Right; that Liberals depended upon scientific
> research to help define their positions on social issues.
It was quite obvious from weasel posting patterns that their perfered target
was a mindless bot. (ie Riley Sender) Long periods of argueing in mass with
an inamimate object had left Kangas and crew out of touch with reality and
exhasted. Some 80% of all weasel efforts were targeted at what was in fact
an autoreplyer.
Later the release of sentient parrots spelled the end for the weasels.
Having spent so much time attacking a non-sentient sock had left the weasels
incapable of defending themselves from rational thought.
> Do a google search on the name, Steve Kangas.
>
> Read some of Kangas' old posts, that are still available on
> Google:Groups.
>
> You might also find the old Salon article about him, written
> about the time he died, six or seven years ago.
>
> You will find his website, a little out of date now. Many people
> posting to alt.society.liberalism believe the same things that
> Kangas believed, but in our own ways.
Kepp those tinfoil hats pulled down tight.
> Kangas had an impact on Usenet. Seven years after his untimely
> death, Conservative posters here STILL vilify him, as this thread
> of responses shows.
Still dead?
John
Julian D.
Update is coming. Patience.
Silverback
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
>"Silverback" <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
>news:3d3ce3c1...@news.spiritone.com...
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:56:35 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
>> <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Maynard Lee" <maynar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com...
>> >> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> >> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>> >
>> >Steve was the brain behind the weasels. During his life the weasels were
>> >very organized and a force to be reconed with. Until the day that it was
>> >discovered that weasels are hampsters in disguise.
>> >
>> >Dance weasels dance:
>> >
>> >http://www.hampsterdance.com
>> >
>> >This URL is directly related to the defeat of the weasels and Kangas'
>> >suicide. I received one of the drunken fool's last emails were he
>notified
>> >me of what a hate filled and angry person I am. The projection was
>classic
>> >and I answered only, "kill yourself".
>
>> so you have always been a piece of shit
>
>Kangas had no cause to send me hatemail.
And yer a liar Steve didn't send hate mail
>
>It is not my fault your leader was insane.
He wasn't
Silverback
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>In article <3d3ce2d8...@news.spiritone.com>
>Silverback <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 08:50:45 -0400, Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com>
>>wrote:
>>>maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>[snip]
>>>>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>><guffaw>
>>yes he was
>
>Not the Kangas whose body you regularly drag around. Perhaps
>Maynard Lee was thinking of this other fellow, who invented
>"bookmarklets" (as JTK so helpfully pointed out):
>
> http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
>
>What did your favorite dragging corpse do besides filling a
>large website with ill-conceived political arguments and writing
>some software for betting on horses? Those sorts of things do
>not qualify one as being an "Internet pioneer".
what the little plucked chicken is saying is he could never defeat
Steve's arguements.
Sorry fool Steve was a pioneer as his site was one of the first great
political sites on the web. Stupe's hollow shell isn't even close by
comparision.
>
>Why don't you just let Kangas rest in piece? Isn't giving him
>that much respect worth more than making a fool of yourself with
>transparent conspiracy theories in a vain attempt to smear Scaife?
>
> =====
> EE
>
> Honorato libertam et ruat coelum.
>
=====================================================
Silverback
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
>"veronica floss" <fl...@hygene.org> wrote in message
>news:MPG.17a8d494f...@news.sonic.net...
>> In article <968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com>,
>> maynar...@hotmail.com says...
>> > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>> >
>> > Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>> > find on the Web?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Maynard Lee
>> >
>>
>> Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
>> University of California: Santa Cruz.
>
>Kangas was not a professor then?
>
>Somewhat like the Unibomber?
>
>> Kangas was a very controversial Usenet figure because he stood up
>> to namecalling in Usenet political newsgroups. He thought the
>> vilification he saw here, was very much like the persecution of
>> blacks and jews and other minority groups by segregationists and
>> Fascists; in Europe and in the US.
>
>Kangas was as foul mouthed as they came on the usenet.
yer a fucking liar johnnie enijeer
Steve didn't bad mouth anyone.
=====================================================
Eagle Eye
Silverback <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>On 24 Jul 2002 23:00:50 -0000, Eagle Eye
><Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>In article <3d3ce2d8...@news.spiritone.com>
>>Silverback <gdy5215...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 08:50:45 -0400, Billy Beck <wj...@mindspring.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>maynar...@hotmail.com (Maynard Lee) wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>>>Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>>><guffaw>
>>>yes he was
>>Not the Kangas whose body you regularly drag around. Perhaps
>>Maynard Lee was thinking of this other fellow, who invented
>>"bookmarklets" (as JTK so helpfully pointed out):
>>
>> http://www.bizstone.com/Web%20Review/bookmarklets.html
>>
>>What did your favorite dragging corpse do besides filling a
>>large website with ill-conceived political arguments and writing
>>some software for betting on horses? Those sorts of things do
>>not qualify one as being an "Internet pioneer".
>what the little plucked chicken is saying is he could never defeat
>Steve's arguements.
>
>Sorry fool Steve was a pioneer as his site was one of the first great
>political sites on the web.
If Steve had printed his collection of essays on rolls of toilet
paper, would that make him a "toilet paper pioneer", even though
he did nothing to improve the way in which people could clean
their asses?
http://bookmarklets.com/about/stevek.html
This Steve Kangas actually created (or at least helped to create)
an innovative way to change webpages as you browse, i.e. his
innovation properly fell under the category of "Internet" as
opposed to "politics" or "paranoia".
>Stupe's hollow shell isn't even close by comparision.
Who?
>>Why don't you just let Kangas rest in piece? Isn't giving him
>>that much respect worth more than making a fool of yourself with
>>transparent conspiracy theories in a vain attempt to smear Scaife?
>GDY Weasel
>http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
A white rose in any other medium would be just as inane.
Eagle Eye
Milt Brewster wrote:
>In article <968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com>,
>maynar...@hotmail.com says...
>> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
>> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
>>
>> Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
>> find on the Web?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Maynard Lee
>Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
>University of California: Santa Cruz.
No he didn't. In 1996 he dropped out of school before graduating
and took a job in Las Vegas with an online gambling business.
Because Maynard Lee mentioned "an Internet pioneer", I suspect
he was not talking about the guy whose death you and your
ilk constantly exploit. Rather, he probably was talking about
this guy:
http://bookmarklets.com/about/stevek.html
As far as I know, this Steve Kangas is still alive.
[snip]
>Kangas died of a gunshot wound in Richard Mellon Scaife's
>personal executive bathroom, under mysterious circumstances.
The bathroom wasn't Scaife's personal bathroom. It was across
the hall from his office suite.
The only mystery about his death was what he intended to do.
Ostensibly he was lying in wait to ambush Scaife, but because
he killed himself, we can never be sure.
[snip]
Tarver Engineering
Steve was a hateful shit that sent hate mail.
Steve was so full of hate and rage he blew his own mind.
John
Tarver Engineering
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:17:59 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> <jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"veronica floss" <fl...@hygene.org> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.17a8d494f...@news.sonic.net...
> >> In article <968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com>,
> >> maynar...@hotmail.com says...
> >> > I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> >> > class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> >> > find on the Web?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Maynard Lee
> >> >
> >>
> >> Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
> >> University of California: Santa Cruz.
> >
> >Kangas was not a professor then?
> >
> >Somewhat like the Unibomber?
> >
> >> Kangas was a very controversial Usenet figure because he stood up
> >> to namecalling in Usenet political newsgroups. He thought the
> >> vilification he saw here, was very much like the persecution of
> >> blacks and jews and other minority groups by segregationists and
> >> Fascists; in Europe and in the US.
> >
> >Kangas was as foul mouthed as they came on the usenet.
>
> yer a fucking liar johnnie enijeer
>
> Steve didn't bad mouth anyone.
Thanks for poviding infromation from a known lying weasel.
It is of course of no vaue.
John
Silverback
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
and yer a fucking liar
>
>Steve was so full of hate and rage he blew his own mind.
>
>John
>
>
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Silverback
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
my my yer shrill
>>Stupe's hollow shell isn't even close by comparision.
>
>Who?
>
>>>Why don't you just let Kangas rest in piece? Isn't giving him
>>>that much respect worth more than making a fool of yourself with
>>>transparent conspiracy theories in a vain attempt to smear Scaife?
>>GDY Weasel
>>http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
>A white rose in any other medium would be just as inane.
>
> =====
> EE
>
> Honorato libertam et ruat coelum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====================================================
Silverback
<jta...@sierratel.com> wrote:
still lying johnnie enijeer?
>
>It is of course of no vaue.
>
>John
>
>
=====================================================
Tarver Engineering
No weasel has the credibility to make such a claim.
John
Tarver Engineering
I answered only, "kill yourself" and he did.
John
Billy Beck
veronica floss <fl...@hygene.org> wrote:
>Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
>University of California: Santa Cruz.
He most certainly was not.
>You might also find the old Salon article about him, written
>about the time he died, six or seven years ago.
That's some serious myth-bloat you've got goin' on, dahlink. You
need to get it off the couch and run it on a treadmill for a while.
Kangas offed himself in February of 1999.
You're a really confused individual, aren't you?
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
veronica floss
Author-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
> In article <MPG.17a8d494f...@news.sonic.net>
> Milt Brewster wrote:
> >In article <968d389d.0207...@posting.google.com>,
> >maynar...@hotmail.com says...
> >> I must write a paper on a fellow named Steve Kangas for my Sociology
> >> class. Apparently, Mr. Kangas was an Internet pioneer of sorts.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have insight into this man beyond what I can probably
> >> find on the Web?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Maynard Lee
> [snip]
> >Kangas was a PhD who taught Political Science classes at the
> >University of California: Santa Cruz.
>
> No he didn't. In 1996 he dropped out of school before graduating
> and took a job in Las Vegas with an online gambling business.
>
> Because Maynard Lee mentioned "an Internet pioneer", I suspect
> he was not talking about the guy whose death you and your
> ilk constantly exploit. Rather, he probably was talking about
> this guy:
>
> http://bookmarklets.com/about/stevek.html
>
> As far as I know, this Steve Kangas is still alive.
This guy was probably a troll.
He asked this question in Newsgroups that were surely going to
bring up "our" Steve Kangas: Not anybody else.
---
It doesn't matter that he was a troll. Steve stood for important
things. This "troll" post gave some of us a chance to have our
say about those important things.
And we did. Most people in this thread just posted slimeball one-
liners. A few posted something worth reading. We had our say.
---
Steven's website still exists. Google: groups still can show
anybody what Steven wrote, including why he was posting.
Salon.com still has its article on Steve. There are still
some political columns mentioning Steven in Newspaper archives
around the country.
Steve is controversial, and even that is useful in a political
context. It shows who is shallow, who is numb to their own
violent opinions, who uses political ideas as an excuse to excuse
their own hatred of other people, who needs to get through a
political issue by ignoring uncomfortable facts ...
... and who has some respect for politics; for citizenship; for
objectivity and justice and fairness; for the fact that careful
thought works better than vigilante hatred and vilification when
a nation sets about to turn itself into a Democracy.
VeeVee
Eagle Eye
Yes, but so are you. You keep repeating claims which you know have
been debunked for no apparent reason than to muddy the waters.
>He asked this question in Newsgroups that were surely going to
>bring up "our" Steve Kangas: Not anybody else.
YOUR Steve Kangas is starting to smell. Why don't you show him
enough respect to stop dragging his body around in a futile attempt
to smear Scaife?
>It doesn't matter that he was a troll. Steve stood for important
>things.
...like lying in wait in your enemy's bathroom with a gun.
>This "troll" post gave some of us a chance to have our say about
>those important things.
In other words, you once again dragged poor Steve's corpse through
the newsgroups in yet another petty little tantrum. It's too bad
you treat your alleged compatriot with such disdain.
>And we did. Most people in this thread just posted slimeball one-
>liners. A few posted something worth reading. We had our say.
...like claiming a guy who dropped out of school was a Ph.D. who
taught classes?
[snip]
>Steve is controversial,
So is O.J..
>and even that is useful in a political context. It shows who is
>shallow, who is numb to their own violent opinions,
...not to mention violent actions, like lying in wait in your
enemy's bathroom with a gun.
>who uses political ideas as an excuse to excuse their own hatred
>of other people,
...like Steve's violent hatred for Scaife?
>who needs to get through a political issue by ignoring
>uncomfortable facts ...
Hell, why bother ignoring facts if you've got a gun and a one-way
bus ticket?
>... and who has some respect for politics; for citizenship; for
>objectivity and justice and fairness;
Do you think lying in wait in your enemy's bathroom with a gun
exemplifies justice and fairness?
>for the fact that careful thought works better than vigilante
>hatred
...like lying in wait etc., etc..
>and vilification
...like your attacks on Scaife, actually defiling your alleged
friend's memory in the process?
>when a nation sets about to turn itself into a Democracy.
It must suck to be your friend. You obviously don't mind
exploiting Steve's tragic circumstances for your picayune
campaigns.
Gandalf Grey
"Eagle Eye" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:200207252206...@nym.alias.net...
Says the group's premier troll.
Eagle Eye
Gandalf Grey <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Says the group's premier troll.
Propa-Gandalf, when will you post a single direct citation of
Ayn Rand? Also, when shall we expect you to cite a single
post of Chris Morton in which he uses racial epithets to
smear someone?
Tarver Engineering
"Eagle Eye" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
> In article <3d407b23$0$89798$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>
> Gandalf Grey <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> >Says the group's premier troll.
>
> Propa-Gandalf, when will you post a single direct citation of
> Ayn Rand? Also, when shall we expect you to cite a single
> post of Chris Morton in which he uses racial epithets to
> smear someone?
Gandalf is just angy that Chris might show up at his door and make some
little holes, if Gandalf uses his normal racist tactics. However, someday
Gandalf might seperate the Black man from the Second Ammendment. :)
John
Gandalf Grey
"Eagle Eye" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
> In article <3d407b23$0$89798$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>
> Gandalf Grey <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> >Says the group's premier troll.
>
> Propa-Gandalf,
And another troll from Eagle the trollboy.
ISO MAN
The only thing Kangas had that you lack is a ticket ot Pittsburgh.
"Yo, Knickers. I'm God. No, serious. I'm God. Now, you have the
freedom to not believe in Me and go your own way, but remember, if you
do, I'll cast you in the lake of everlasting fire."
---- Zepp, the Weasel Deity of A.S.L.
Gandalf Grey
"ISO MAN" <i...@Isopropyl.com> wrote in message
news:3d4083bd...@basic.bs.webusenet.com...
Typical right wing lunatic: always wishing for the death of your opponents.
Eagle Eye
Why did you cut the text after the comma, P-G?
Gandalf Grey
"Eagle Eye" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
Because I've been there and done that, troll. I have quoted Rand directly
and I've repeatedly demonstrated Morton's phoniness as a racism policeman.
And I'm not going to let a troll like you divert me with the typical "post
it again" ploy.
Get used to it.
Tarver Engineering
"Gandalf Grey" <ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d408819$0$89804$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com...
Why don't you just admit that you hate Black men with their own gun.
John
ISO MAN
<ganda...@infectedmail.com> wrote:
Nah. Just very aware of the violent fantasies of you fringe
lefties....like Kangas and your buddy Roselles.