Romney: ‘It’s still about the economy’

[MattB.]

Romney: ‘It’s still about the economy’

Mitt Romney speaks to supporters in Manchester, N.H. following wins in
five more GOP presidential primaries.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47166902#47166902

[Matt]

I agree.

Now, what is his solution? Tax cuts for the rich? We've seen his idea
of a 'budget',
which is to hack away the entire safety net, dumping the burden on the
states, and
plow trillions into defense, most of which won't even be spent inside
the US.

This we need?

Matt

[Phlip]

On Apr 25, 7:39 am, Matt <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 11:26 pm, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>
> > Romney: ‘It’s still about the economy’
>
> > Mitt Romney speaks to supporters in Manchester, N.H. following wins in
> > five more GOP presidential primaries.
>
> >  http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47166902#47166902
>
> I agree.
>
> Now, what is his solution?

To hire all of Bush's financial advisers, and to promise to repeat all
his policies.

[Christopher Helms]

Widespread misery and a War On Prosperity is exactly what Mittens is promising, just as soon as he fulfills his first policy objective: Slashing the holy shit out of his own taxes.

[Eddie Haskell]

"Matt" <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:809f1123-650b-4f6d...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

No, what we need is to bankrupt the country. 200 billion dollar deficits
during Bush were irresponsible, but now we have to have trillion dollar plus
ones or we're all going to die.

We have to go bankrupt. We have no choice.

Commit suicide or we might have to clip your hangnail. Fuck it all. Let's
die.

Hint: You're a fucking idiot and liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd72c6f4-0c3b-48ef...@35g2000yqq.googlegroups.com...

Goddamned right, you little lying fuckwit.

Here, something for you to continue to ignore so you can continue to lie
like a nigger.

"The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory
overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a
decade ago."

"Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency
would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the
two largest players in the mortgage lending industry."

http://tinyurl.com/6lp5qu

-Eddie Haskell

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 9:28 am, "Eddie Haskell" <uyn...@szmoplm.com> wrote:
> "Matt" <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote in message

>
> news:809f1123-650b-4f6d...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 24, 11:26 pm, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>
> > Romney: ‘It’s still about the economy’
>
> > Mitt Romney speaks to supporters in Manchester, N.H. following wins in
> > five more GOP presidential primaries.
>
> >http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47166902#47166902
> > I agree.
> > Now, what is his solution? Tax cuts for the rich? We've seen his idea
> > of a 'budget',
> > which is to hack away the entire safety net, dumping the burden on the
> > states, and
> > plow trillions into defense, most of which won't even be spent inside
> > the US.
> > This we need?
>
> No, what we need is to bankrupt the country.

Yes, we know, that is the Romney plan.

I win again.

Matt

[Eddie Haskell]

"Matt" <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote in message

news:75df2b13-fc69-4c10...@u7g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

"Hint: You're a fucking idiot and liar."

-Eddie Haskell, Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:28 AM

-Eddie Haskell

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 9:47 am, "Eddie Haskell" <uyn...@szmoplm.com> wrote:
> "Matt" <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:75df2b13-fc69-4c10...@u7g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 25, 9:28 am, "Eddie Haskell" <uyn...@szmoplm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Matt" <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:809f1123-650b-4f6d...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 24, 11:26 pm, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>
> > > Romney: ‘It’s still about the economy’
>
> > > Mitt Romney speaks to supporters in Manchester, N.H. following wins in
> > > five more GOP presidential primaries.
>
> > >http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47166902#47166902
> > > I agree.
> > > Now, what is his solution? Tax cuts for the rich? We've seen his idea
> > > of a 'budget',
> > > which is to hack away the entire safety net, dumping the burden on the
> > > states, and
> > > plow trillions into defense, most of which won't even be spent inside
> > > the US.
> > > This we need?
>
> > No, what we need is to bankrupt the country.
> > Yes, we know, that is the Romney plan.
>
> "Hint: You're a fucking idiot and liar."

No retort.

I win again.

Matt

[Eddie Haskell]

"Matt" <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote in message

news:f9314f8c-d210-4b84...@g38g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

[Matt]

Matt

[MattB]

Don't know but except for causing division in America see little on
Obama's plans. Find that strange Obama has had 4 years a little was
done. I hear the un-employment rate is better. Then again what is
really happening is peoples benefits are running out and they are no
longer counted, progressive deception.

The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe. They
lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.

What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
little. Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
middle class for only so long. Then the progressive bums will have to
work too.

On here Zepp, Yoorghis. and China Blue are perfect examples of a
Obama's type of liberal.

Now if he Romney wants to increase defense that is just stupid as with
our withdrawal from Iraq I see no need. I think we should do so now
and cut all aid.




>Matt

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 11:59 am, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT), Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 24, 11:26 pm, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
> >> Romney: It s still about the economy
>
> >> Mitt Romney speaks to supporters in Manchester, N.H. following wins in
> >> five more GOP presidential primaries.
>
> >>http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/47166902#47166902
>
> >I agree.
>
> >Now, what is his solution? Tax cuts for the rich? We've seen his idea
> >of a 'budget',
> >which is to hack away the entire safety net, dumping the burden on the
> >states, and
> >plow trillions into defense, most of which won't even be spent inside
> >the US.
>
> >This we need?
>
>    Don't know but except for causing division in America see little on
> Obama's plans.  Find that strange Obama has had 4 years a little was
> done.  I hear the un-employment rate is better.  Then again what is
> really happening is peoples benefits are running out and they are no
> longer counted,  progressive deception.

Wow. You really must get out more. Let's see.. the banks are no longer
crashing, the home industry is stable, the auto industry is coming
back
strong. Manufacturing is actually surviving at this point. We are out
of
Iraq, and getting out of Afghanistan. The stock market is up some 4000
points or so, depending on whose numbers you choose.

Now, what was it Bush accomplished in his eight years? What is it that
Romney wants to go BACK to?

>
>  The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
> they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe.  They
> lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.

If you say so. Progressive is simply the opposite of Conservative. As
such,
I'll happily admit to being one. I don't lie, and I'm certainly not
racist.

>
> What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
> little.  Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
> middle class for only so long.  Then the progressive bums will have to
> work too.

Ah, is this the new Fox talking point? That Obama is going to
nationalize the
oil industry.

No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
their children,
grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
got the memo.
Very sad, please keep up.

>
> On here Zepp, Yoorghis. and China Blue are perfect examples of a
> Obama's type of liberal.
>
> Now if he Romney wants to increase defense that is just stupid as with
> our withdrawal from Iraq I see no need.  I think we should do so now
> and cut all aid.

Cutting all aid will accomplish nothing, sadly. It amounts to almost
no money
and probably does more good than harm. Is it essential? Of course not.
But then,
we can cut defense by 50% and not impact our troops at all, by simply
removing all
the projects that have failed miserably, yet are continued by
Republican congresscritters
that want the pork for their money.

Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
regulation industry.

But these things aren't going to happen with Romney in office, nor
with a Republican
obstructionist Congress. Ask yourself this, what did the Republicans
accomplish with their
majority? Anything positive at all?

Matt

>
>
>
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[MattB]

Don't think Romney will ever be like Bush. Bush was/is a idiot.
You liberals sure do like to bring Bush out when needed. Like as a
excuse for selling guns to Drug Lords to kill Federal Agents and
Mexican Kids. Then the Vegas mess. Seems both have been blamed on
Bush. How many years he been out of office???

Obama can't even run the WH for 4 year and you want us to give him 8.
Sad.

>
>>
>>  The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
>> they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe.  They
>> lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.
>
>If you say so. Progressive is simply the opposite of Conservative. As
>such,
>I'll happily admit to being one. I don't lie, and I'm certainly not
>racist.

Yes you are if you don't correct people like Zepp when he is
showing Progressives for being the racist they are. I have corrected
Richard and Eddie to the point they killfiled me. Not said they are
progressive so I must be biased. That seems to be what you are
biased. Wrong is wrong.

>
>>
>> What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
>> little.  Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
>> middle class for only so long.  Then the progressive bums will have to
>> work too.
>
>Ah, is this the new Fox talking point? That Obama is going to
>nationalize the
>oil industry.

Never heard he was going to nationalize the oil industries. He
doesn't have that power. Hopefully never will a President Republican
or Democrat.

I don't watch Fox mostly just see internet articles. Fox and MSNBC
must both be taken for what they are propaganda machines with a little
truth mixed in. Anyone the believes everything either says are fools.

Liberals have a Rhetoric and it as already getting old Divide the
American people just for votes.

>
>No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
>their children,
>grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
>got the memo.
>Very sad, please keep up.

LOL we are better armed and most the military are Republicans. Good
luck with that.

>
>
>>
>> On here Zepp, Yoorghis. and China Blue are perfect examples of a
>> Obama's type of liberal.
>>
>> Now if he Romney wants to increase defense that is just stupid as with
>> our withdrawal from Iraq I see no need.  I think we should do so now
>> and cut all aid.
>
>Cutting all aid will accomplish nothing, sadly. It amounts to almost
>no money
>and probably does more good than harm. Is it essential? Of course not.
>But then,
>we can cut defense by 50% and not impact our troops at all, by simply
>removing all
>the projects that have failed miserably, yet are continued by
>Republican congresscritters
>that want the pork for their money.

Well without access to much more records than I can now get.
Think 50% is not possible. Not unless you want the US to become like
it was right before WW I and WW II. That I would not support. I
would support getting rid of all the waste in ALL government
including defense. Then again you are right if a program is a waste
cancel it.

Do you know all the DOD does?

>
>Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
>regulation industry.

That I agree but getting Republican and Democrat Congressmen and
whoever is President to push that without making any bill worthless.
That will be hard. # years and counting and nothing really done yet.

""I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies. "" T.J.

>
>But these things aren't going to happen with Romney in office, nor
>with a Republican
>obstructionist Congress. Ask yourself this, what did the Republicans
>accomplish with their
>majority? Anything positive at all?

Well sad thing is neither party did much with their majorities. I
don't want a all Republican or all Democrat Congress. Never been a
good thing. Arrogance seems to be in all politicians.

[Phlip]

On Apr 25, 10:59 am, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:

>    Don't know but except for causing division in America see little on
> Obama's plans.  Find that strange Obama has had 4 years a little was
> done.

You guys just can't help lying about Obama in every sentence. At least
Romney's version, "three and a half years" was technically closer to
the truth...

[Matt]

Pardon? Romney's budget looks exactly like Bush's. How can we not
compare? We KNOW what will happen. Or do you simply believe that it
won't
happen this time?

Show me a reason to vote for Romney. One.

>
> Obama can't even run the WH for 4 year and you want us to give him 8.
> Sad.

Yep, I do. Because Republicans have proven, absolutely, that they are
incapable
of running the country.

>
>
>
> >>  The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
> >> they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe.  They
> >> lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.
>
> >If you say so. Progressive is simply the opposite of Conservative. As
> >such,
> >I'll happily admit to being one. I don't lie, and I'm certainly not
> >racist.
>
>      Yes you are if you don't correct people like Zepp when he is
> showing Progressives for being the racist they are.  I have corrected
> Richard and Eddie to the point they killfiled me.  Not said they are
> progressive so I must be biased.   That seems to be what you are
> biased.  Wrong is wrong.

What would be the point to correcting anyone? They won't listen. I
don't
agree with them, anymore than I agree with Mikey Poo Flannigan, the
racist
idiot. Or David Hartung, who thinks religion can do no wrong. Or any
of the
rest. There are few rational people on Usenet.

>
>
>
> >> What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
> >> little.  Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
> >> middle class for only so long.  Then the progressive bums will have to
> >> work too.
>
> >Ah, is this the new Fox talking point? That Obama is going to
> >nationalize the
> >oil industry.
>
>      Never heard he was going to nationalize the oil industries.  He
> doesn't have that power.  Hopefully never will a President Republican
> or Democrat.

Oddly, it really isn't all that bad of an idea, in concept. The
resources, after
all, DO belong to the country. However, I wouldn't vote for it, the
government
would be no better.

>
>   I don't watch Fox mostly just see internet articles.  Fox and MSNBC
> must both be taken for what they are propaganda machines with a little
> truth mixed in.  Anyone the believes everything either says are fools.

Well, I agree with you there.

>
>  Liberals have a Rhetoric and it as already getting old Divide the
> American people just for votes.

Both sides have rhetoric. And right now, the biggest argument the
Republicans
have against Obama is that he ate dog meat when he was six.

>
>
>
> >No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
> >their children,
> >grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
> >got the memo.
> >Very sad, please keep up.
>
>   LOL we are better armed and most the military are Republicans.  Good
> luck with that.

The military is not Republican or Democratic. And please, the whole
armed
populace thing gets so old. A grenade against a .357, you want to take
your
chances? A tank against a .22?

> >> On here Zepp, Yoorghis. and China Blue are perfect examples of a
> >> Obama's type of liberal.
>
> >> Now if he Romney wants to increase defense that is just stupid as with
> >> our withdrawal from Iraq I see no need.  I think we should do so now
> >> and cut all aid.
>
> >Cutting all aid will accomplish nothing, sadly. It amounts to almost
> >no money
> >and probably does more good than harm. Is it essential? Of course not.
> >But then,
> >we can cut defense by 50% and not impact our troops at all, by simply
> >removing all
> >the projects that have failed miserably, yet are continued by
> >Republican congresscritters
> >that want the pork for their money.
>
>     Well without access to much more records than I can now get.
> Think 50% is not possible.  Not unless you want the US to become like
> it was right before WW I and WW II.   That I would not support.  I
> would support getting rid of all  the waste in ALL government
> including defense.  Then again you are right if a program is a waste
> cancel it.

No, I think 50% is very doable. I should be more precise, however,
that is
50% of the TOTAL, not the on the budget money. That would include all
the
off the budget money as well.

>
> Do you know all the DOD does?

Having worked with them, yes.

> >Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
> >regulation industry.
>
>    That I agree but getting Republican and Democrat Congressmen and
> whoever is President to push that without making any bill worthless.
> That will be hard.  # years and counting and nothing really done yet.

Which is the real problem. We don't have A government anymore, we have
two, maybe three (if you include the moderates on both sides). Once
upon
a time, they would fight and fight and eventually find a common ground
that
was good for the country. When was the last time that happened?
Probably
healthcare.

>
> ""I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> liberties than standing armies. "" T.J.
>
>   >
>
> >But these things aren't going to happen with Romney in office, nor
> >with a Republican
> >obstructionist Congress. Ask yourself this, what did the Republicans
> >accomplish with their
> >majority? Anything positive at all?
>
>   Well sad thing is neither party did much with their majorities.  I
> don't want a all Republican or all Democrat Congress.   Never been a
> good thing.  Arrogance seems to be in all politicians.

Healthcare.
Getting out of Iraq.
Bailing out the banks
Bailing out the auto industry.

I think they got some things done at the beginning.

Matt

[MattB]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:07:26 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phli...@gmail.com>
wrote:

OK OK Calm down little socialist. Obama has had 3.5 years not 4.
There feel better. I just will dance for joy if he only gets 4
years.

Find that strange Obama has had 3.5 years and little was
done.

Well did notice you could not counter the main point. Obama has done
little. Mostly it is correcting itself the American economy.

[MattB]

Well as we saw even with Obama what they suggest while running and
what they pass later can be so different. I believe they have and are
saying what they think they need to. Romney will not copy Bush. That
is liberal lies.

>
>Show me a reason to vote for Romney. One.

It will get rid of a socialist in the White House. Won't have to
worry why Obama can be "Flexible" after he get re-elected. What does
he plan he has to wait? Then he was talking to Russia wasn't he?

>
>>
>> Obama can't even run the WH for 4 year and you want us to give him 8.
>> Sad.
>
>Yep, I do. Because Republicans have proven, absolutely, that they are
>incapable
>of running the country.

Bush was and is a fool. I did like Clinton but he was more
moderate than Obama. He also worked with Congress although not sure
how. I may have a low opinion of Obama but what I think of Congress
is worse in both parties.

>>
>>
>>
>> >>  The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
>> >> they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe.  They
>> >> lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.
>>
>> >If you say so. Progressive is simply the opposite of Conservative. As
>> >such,
>> >I'll happily admit to being one. I don't lie, and I'm certainly not
>> >racist.
>>
>>      Yes you are if you don't correct people like Zepp when he is
>> showing Progressives for being the racist they are.  I have corrected
>> Richard and Eddie to the point they killfiled me.  Not said they are
>> progressive so I must be biased.   That seems to be what you are
>> biased.  Wrong is wrong.
>
>What would be the point to correcting anyone? They won't listen. I
>don't
>agree with them, anymore than I agree with Mikey Poo Flannigan, the
>racist
>idiot. Or David Hartung, who thinks religion can do no wrong. Or any
>of the
>rest. There are few rational people on Usenet.

True but when you do even just from time to time it shows those on
the fence that not all Republicans or Liberals are extremist. The
hard core base has already made up thier minds. It is those on the
fence that will decide this election.

I took the post showing what the liberals had planned for gun control
to the range, church and sent to friends in the military. Even the
Democrats did not like what they say. I enjoy forwarding the crazies
post.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
>> >> little.  Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
>> >> middle class for only so long.  Then the progressive bums will have to
>> >> work too.
>>
>> >Ah, is this the new Fox talking point? That Obama is going to
>> >nationalize the
>> >oil industry.
>>
>>      Never heard he was going to nationalize the oil industries.  He
>> doesn't have that power.  Hopefully never will a President Republican
>> or Democrat.
>
>Oddly, it really isn't all that bad of an idea, in concept. The
>resources, after
>all, DO belong to the country. However, I wouldn't vote for it, the
>government
>would be no better.

No they would not. Want to fix things get rid of the futures
market. Not sure what purpose they have except making gas prices go
up and my coffee.

>>
>>   I don't watch Fox mostly just see internet articles.  Fox and MSNBC
>> must both be taken for what they are propaganda machines with a little
>> truth mixed in.  Anyone the believes everything either says are fools.
>
>Well, I agree with you there.

Wait we can't agree on anything. Isn't that against the rules? ;-)

>
>>
>>  Liberals have a Rhetoric and it as already getting old Divide the
>> American people just for votes.
>
>Both sides have rhetoric. And right now, the biggest argument the
>Republicans
>have against Obama is that he ate dog meat when he was six.

Saw that. Well that should make you happy. That is all they have?
barely looked at it. Getting tired of the rhetoric on both sides.

I've been overseas and they eat things I never could. Then again
eating lassie is a disturbing thought. Different cultures different
customs.

>
>>
>>
>>
>> >No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
>> >their children,
>> >grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
>> >got the memo.
>> >Very sad, please keep up.
>>
>>   LOL we are better armed and most the military are Republicans.  Good
>> luck with that.
>
>The military is not Republican or Democratic. And please, the whole
>armed
>populace thing gets so old. A grenade against a .357, you want to take
>your
>chances? A tank against a .22?

Obama can't use the Military inside the USA easily. They did pass a
law a few years ago for limited use. I know a few teams that would
not obey a order to attack Americans. The first oath is to the
Constitution. They also must not obey a unlawful order. Then again
they would all be thinking is a guy in the military shooting at my mom
right now. This is stupid to even think about.

Maybe I can't say.

>
>>
>> Do you know all the DOD does?
>
>Having worked with them, yes.

So your willing to suggest we cut the NSA and Homeland?

>
>> >Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
>> >regulation industry.
>>
>>    That I agree but getting Republican and Democrat Congressmen and
>> whoever is President to push that without making any bill worthless.
>> That will be hard.  # years and counting and nothing really done yet.
>
>Which is the real problem. We don't have A government anymore, we have
>two, maybe three (if you include the moderates on both sides). Once
>upon
>a time, they would fight and fight and eventually find a common ground
>that
>was good for the country. When was the last time that happened?

Don't know it wasn't until they started acting like spoiled
children I took notice. That is not true I did notice when Bush
started lying about Iraq.

>Probably
>healthcare.
>>
>> ""I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
>> liberties than standing armies. "" T.J.
>>
>>   >
>>
>> >But these things aren't going to happen with Romney in office, nor
>> >with a Republican
>> >obstructionist Congress. Ask yourself this, what did the Republicans
>> >accomplish with their
>> >majority? Anything positive at all?
>>
>>   Well sad thing is neither party did much with their majorities.  I
>> don't want a all Republican or all Democrat Congress.   Never been a
>> good thing.  Arrogance seems to be in all politicians.
>
>Healthcare.
>Getting out of Iraq.
>Bailing out the banks
>Bailing out the auto industry.
>
>I think they got some things done at the beginning.

The heathcare issue I'm not so sure about. Not well written.

Getting out of Iraq that was good as that whole war was a mistake.
My opinion is we might as well have just gave it to Iran.

Didn't Bush help the banks?

The Auto industry I do think did good. You even been to Detroit?
They can't take much more.

>
>Matt

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 1:57 pm, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Matt
>
>
>
>
>

And if he does, you will call for his impeachment? Oh, and he hasn't
proved
he's a citizen yet. He can't run in Arizona. Or is that only for black
people?

Romney is a Republican. We know what he will do. We have a VERY long
track record of Republicans. Nixon, Reagan, Bush II. He will destroy
this
country. Under Obama, we are finally coming out of an eight year
debacle
that saw us lose two wars, get attacked on our own soil and go into a
Recession
the likes of which we have not seen in decades.

Tell me EXACTLY what Romney will do. We know what Obama has done, we
know that it has helped. Now, be specific. Tell me what Romney will
do. Will he
boost the economy? Or pass an anti-gay marriage act first. And will
you ask for
his impeachment when he does the latter?

You won't. So please, don't scream about liberals.

>
>
>
> >Show me a reason to vote for Romney. One.
>
>    It will get rid of a socialist in the White House.  Won't have to
> worry why Obama can be "Flexible" after he get re-elected.  What does
> he plan he has to wait?   Then he was talking to Russia wasn't he?

The only Socialists in the White House are visiting oil folk. He has
to
wait, because the Grand Obstructionist Party will not permit anything
if
it might make Obama look good. Hopefully, they will all be removed
from
office. What do YOU think he meant? Please be specific. While you are
at
it, tell us what he was talking about.

>
>
>
> >> Obama can't even run the WH for 4 year and you want us to give him 8.
> >> Sad.
>
> >Yep, I do. Because Republicans have proven, absolutely, that they are
> >incapable
> >of running the country.
>
>    Bush was and is a fool.   I did like Clinton but he was more
> moderate than Obama.  He also worked with Congress although not sure
> how.  I may have a low opinion of Obama but what I think of Congress
> is worse in both parties.

Bush was and is the Republican Party. Claiming otherwise is being a
liar.
Clinton was more radical than Obama ever has been. The only people
arguing
otherwise are the Grand Obstructionist Party, who will lie about
everything to
get their Socialists into power so they can run the country.

Look up Socialism, I'll wait.

> >> >>  The liberals do have thier Tea Party they are called Progressive and
> >> >> they are every bit as extreme as the Tea party more so maybe.  They
> >> >> lie and are racist and yet the claimed liberal moderates said nothing.
>
> >> >If you say so. Progressive is simply the opposite of Conservative. As
> >> >such,
> >> >I'll happily admit to being one. I don't lie, and I'm certainly not
> >> >racist.
>
> >>      Yes you are if you don't correct people like Zepp when he is
> >> showing Progressives for being the racist they are.  I have corrected
> >> Richard and Eddie to the point they killfiled me.  Not said they are
> >> progressive so I must be biased.   That seems to be what you are
> >> biased.  Wrong is wrong.
>
> >What would be the point to correcting anyone? They won't listen. I
> >don't
> >agree with them, anymore than I agree with Mikey Poo Flannigan, the
> >racist
> >idiot. Or David Hartung, who thinks religion can do no wrong. Or any
> >of the
> >rest. There are few rational people on Usenet.
>
>    True but when you do even just from time to time it shows those on
> the fence that not all Republicans or Liberals are extremist.  The
> hard core base has already made up thier minds.  It is those on the
> fence that will decide this election.

No, not all of them are extremists. Only the Grand Obstructionist
Party
that is in office. The ones that can't get into office are the
rational ones.

>
>  I took the post showing what the liberals had planned for gun control
> to the range, church and sent to friends in the military.  Even the
> Democrats did not like what they say.   I enjoy forwarding the crazies
> post.

Please show where any liberal in office has brought forth a bill for
gun
control. Anyone in office in the last three years will do. Just one.

> >> >> What Chavez has done has fixed nothing and Obama copying him will do
> >> >> little.  Chavez has oil wealth, Obama can steal from the upper and
> >> >> middle class for only so long.  Then the progressive bums will have to
> >> >> work too.
>
> >> >Ah, is this the new Fox talking point? That Obama is going to
> >> >nationalize the
> >> >oil industry.
>
> >>      Never heard he was going to nationalize the oil industries.  He
> >> doesn't have that power.  Hopefully never will a President Republican
> >> or Democrat.
>
> >Oddly, it really isn't all that bad of an idea, in concept. The
> >resources, after
> >all, DO belong to the country. However, I wouldn't vote for it, the
> >government
> >would be no better.
>
>     No they would not.  Want to fix things get rid of the futures
> market.  Not sure what purpose they have except making gas prices go
> up and my coffee.

The futures market probably accounts for a half dollar worth of the
cost of
gas. The Grand Obstructionist Party would have you believe that
drilling for
oil in our country, tax free, will bring down gas prices. We on the
left have
shown, AGAIN and AGAIN that it won't, that it can't.

So tell me again why we should do it.

>
>
>
> >>   I don't watch Fox mostly just see internet articles.  Fox and MSNBC
> >> must both be taken for what they are propaganda machines with a little
> >> truth mixed in.  Anyone the believes everything either says are fools.
>
> >Well, I agree with you there.
>
>  Wait we can't agree on anything.  Isn't that against the rules?  ;-)

Pretty much. You are a Grand Obstructionist.

> >>  Liberals have a Rhetoric and it as already getting old Divide the
> >> American people just for votes.
>
> >Both sides have rhetoric. And right now, the biggest argument the
> >Republicans
> >have against Obama is that he ate dog meat when he was six.
>
>    Saw that.  Well that should make you happy. That is all they have?
> barely looked at it.  Getting tired of the rhetoric on both sides.

Yeah well, look at it this way, it is APRIL. What is it going to be
like come
October. I'm turning off my tv.

>
>   I've been overseas and they eat things I never could.   Then again
> eating lassie is a disturbing thought.  Different cultures different
> customs.

Pretty sure they don't name their food. Then again, maybe they do.
People
here eat goldfish.

> >> >No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
> >> >their children,
> >> >grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
> >> >got the memo.
> >> >Very sad, please keep up.
>
> >>   LOL we are better armed and most the military are Republicans.  Good
> >> luck with that.
>
> >The military is not Republican or Democratic. And please, the whole
> >armed
> >populace thing gets so old. A grenade against a .357, you want to take
> >your
> >chances?  A tank against a .22?
>
>   Obama can't use the Military inside the USA easily.  They did pass a
> law a few years ago for limited use.  I know a few teams that would
> not obey a order to attack Americans.  The first oath is to the
> Constitution.  They also must not obey a unlawful order.   Then again
> they would all be thinking is a guy in the military shooting at my mom
> right now.  This is stupid to even think about.

Bush repealed Posse Comitatus, the rule which banned the military for
use inside the country. Tell us again about how this is the liberals
fault?

Read the budget, it is available online. If you haven't, and I can't
say I've dug through
every single line, but I've read it, you can't really comment on what
is being spent
where. Oh, by the way, the "massive welfare spending" that the Grand
Obstructionist
Party likes to claim? That's because it is the Department of Health,
Education and
Welfare's budget. Guess what is on there? Yep, unemployment.

> >> Do you know all the DOD does?
>
> >Having worked with them, yes.
>
>    So your willing to suggest we cut the NSA and Homeland?

Sure. You don't think there's a massive bloat there?

> >> >Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
> >> >regulation industry.
>
> >>    That I agree but getting Republican and Democrat Congressmen and
> >> whoever is President to push that without making any bill worthless.
> >> That will be hard.  # years and counting and nothing really done yet.
>
> >Which is the real problem. We don't have A government anymore, we have
> >two, maybe three (if you include the moderates on both sides). Once
> >upon
> >a time, they would fight and fight and eventually find a common ground
> >that
> >was good for the country. When was the last time that happened?
>
>     Don't know it wasn't until they started acting like spoiled
> children I took notice.  That is not true I did notice when Bush
> started lying about Iraq.

It goes back before that, even. Look at the nonsense over Clinton
getting
oral sex in the White House. And, to be fair to both sides, look at
the whole
nonsense about Reagan being senile, or Nancy having astrologers run
the
country. It started to get ugly back in Nixon's time, but even then,
the real
Republicans were the ones that threw him out.

Matt

[MattB]

I see that as Democrats showing they are all the things they said
about the Tea Party Birthers just crazy. Hopefully that has been
checked out already.

Then again I have been claiming Progressive are as crazy as the Tea
Party. Nice to see that I am right.

>
>Romney is a Republican. We know what he will do. We have a VERY long
>track record of Republicans. Nixon, Reagan, Bush II. He will destroy
>this
>country. Under Obama, we are finally coming out of an eight year
>debacle
>that saw us lose two wars, get attacked on our own soil and go into a
>Recession
>the likes of which we have not seen in decades.

Republican or Democrat we'd be coming out of it. Bush was a
idiot pure and simple. I believe a puppet and Cheney was really in
charge. To say all republicans are alike is like me saying all
Blacks are like the New Black Panther Party. I know for a fact that
isn't true. Then again I know there are good Republicans,

>
>Tell me EXACTLY what Romney will do. We know what Obama has done, we
>know that it has helped. Now, be specific. Tell me what Romney will
>do. Will he
>boost the economy? Or pass an anti-gay marriage act first. And will
>you ask for
>his impeachment when he does the latter?

More than Obama. Obama is using Class, Race and envy to destroy
America for a few votes.

>
>You won't. So please, don't scream about liberals.

I'll scream about them all I like. That is every Americans right.
Well at least until we give Obams 4 more years. We might lose our
right to criticize the government. Lenin is laughing and is so proud
of Obama.

>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Show me a reason to vote for Romney. One.
>>
>>    It will get rid of a socialist in the White House.  Won't have to
>> worry why Obama can be "Flexible" after he get re-elected.  What does
>> he plan he has to wait?   Then he was talking to Russia wasn't he?
>
>The only Socialists in the White House are visiting oil folk. He has
>to
>wait, because the Grand Obstructionist Party will not permit anything
>if
>it might make Obama look good. Hopefully, they will all be removed
>from
>office. What do YOU think he meant? Please be specific. While you are
>at
>it, tell us what he was talking about.

LOL Not what you claim. He if I have my way be voted out/removed
from office in 2012 as many Tea Party and Progressive socialist
members of Congress.

I can't read minds.

Not interested in propaganda from Fox or the Liberals.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Obama can't even run the WH for 4 year and you want us to give him 8.
>> >> Sad.
>>
>> >Yep, I do. Because Republicans have proven, absolutely, that they are
>> >incapable
>> >of running the country.
>>
>>    Bush was and is a fool.   I did like Clinton but he was more
>> moderate than Obama.  He also worked with Congress although not sure
>> how.  I may have a low opinion of Obama but what I think of Congress
>> is worse in both parties.
>
>Bush was and is the Republican Party. Claiming otherwise is being a
>liar.
>Clinton was more radical than Obama ever has been. The only people
>arguing
>otherwise are the Grand Obstructionist Party, who will lie about
>everything to
>get their Socialists into power so they can run the country.
>
>Look up Socialism, I'll wait.

Well what the liberals are trying to do is new. A little
socialism and a little of the propaganda used by Hitler. More like
Chevez is using. It is slower and takes longer but as we have seen
the stupid do fall for it. Zepp and Yoorghis and Phil for examples.
Yes I know Eddie and Richard are as bad on the Republican side. Tea
party and Progressives much alike.

Yet if they even have the word conservative attached you have a
biased beyond belief. You hate republicans like the KKK hates blacks.
Same thing. I liked Clinton and yet he is a republican compared to
Obama.

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 4:48 pm, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Matt
>

> >> >>      Don't think Romney will ever be like Bush.  Bush was/is a idiot.
> >> >> You liberals sure do like to bring Bush out when needed.  Like as a
> >> >> excuse for selling guns to Drug Lords to kill Federal Agents and
> >> >> Mexican Kids.  Then the Vegas mess.  Seems both have been blamed on
> >> >> Bush.   How many years he been out of office???
>
> >> >Pardon? Romney's budget looks exactly like Bush's. How can we not
> >> >compare? We KNOW what will happen. Or do you simply believe that it
> >> >won't
> >> >happen this time?
>
> >>     Well as we saw even with Obama what they suggest while running and
> >> what they pass later can be so different.  I believe they have and are
> >> saying what they think they need to.  Romney will not copy Bush.  That
> >> is liberal lies.
>
> >And if he does, you will call for his impeachment? Oh, and he hasn't
> >proved
> >he's a citizen yet. He can't run in Arizona. Or is that only for black
> >people?
>
>     I see that as Democrats showing they are all the things they said
> about the Tea Party Birthers just crazy.  Hopefully that has been
> checked out already.

Heh. It isn't the Democrats calling for his birth certificate. I
suggest you look
into it. It is the Republicans.

>
> Then again I have been claiming Progressive are as crazy as the Tea
> Party.  Nice to see that I am right.

Yep, you were wrong again.

>
>
>
> >Romney is a Republican. We know what he will do. We have a VERY long
> >track record of Republicans. Nixon, Reagan, Bush II. He will destroy
> >this
> >country. Under Obama, we are finally coming out of an eight year
> >debacle
> >that saw us lose two wars, get attacked on our own soil and go into a
> >Recession
> >the likes of which we have not seen in decades.
>
>       Republican or Democrat we'd be coming out of it.  Bush was a
> idiot pure and simple.  I believe a puppet and Cheney was really in
> charge.    To say all republicans are alike is like me saying all
> Blacks are like the New Black Panther Party.  I know for a fact that
> isn't true.  Then again I know there are good Republicans,

Really. Tell me a recession that lasted this long. Why didn't we come
out
of it under Bush? We weren't, we were descending further into it, as
the
Grand Obstructionist Party's own numbers show. The job numbers don't
come up immediately under Obama, nor do the economic ones. Why is
that? If Obama wasn't doing anything to help, they would have stayed
down
just as they did under Bush.

There may be good Republicans. None of them are in office anymore.

> >Tell me EXACTLY what Romney will do. We know what Obama has done, we
> >know that it has helped. Now, be specific. Tell me what Romney will
> >do. Will he
> >boost the economy? Or pass an anti-gay marriage act first. And will
> >you ask for
> >his impeachment when he does the latter?
>
>    More than Obama.  Obama is using Class, Race and envy to destroy
> America for a few votes.

Waiting. Patiently. Tell us what Romney will do.

Tell us what Obama has done to use "class, race and envy". Be very
careful
that you don't use Republican quotes, because you are going to have to
to
prove your point.

Matt

[MattB]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Matt

Liberals go beyond those in office. These are people here and
other places the grassroots of the liberal. They are the people being
represented correct.

Tell me Obama and you liberals have control of Presidency and
Congress for a short time. What did you do????

Stop pointing fingers only one way this mess was caused by years of
both sides being greedy and short sided.

>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>   I don't watch Fox mostly just see internet articles.  Fox and MSNBC
>> >> must both be taken for what they are propaganda machines with a little
>> >> truth mixed in.  Anyone the believes everything either says are fools.
>>
>> >Well, I agree with you there.
>>
>>  Wait we can't agree on anything.  Isn't that against the rules?  ;-)
>
>Pretty much. You are a Grand Obstructionist.

No you want a civil war with you causing hate between classes and
races. All for a few votes. Evil that is.

>
>> >>  Liberals have a Rhetoric and it as already getting old Divide the
>> >> American people just for votes.
>>
>> >Both sides have rhetoric. And right now, the biggest argument the
>> >Republicans
>> >have against Obama is that he ate dog meat when he was six.
>>
>>    Saw that.  Well that should make you happy. That is all they have?
>> barely looked at it.  Getting tired of the rhetoric on both sides.
>
>Yeah well, look at it this way, it is APRIL. What is it going to be
>like come
>October. I'm turning off my tv.

I seldom watch TV except for shows like Supernatural and Glee. For
news it is a joke. Sadly that does mean I'm not up on the current
political gossip.

>
>>
>>   I've been overseas and they eat things I never could.   Then again
>> eating lassie is a disturbing thought.  Different cultures different
>> customs.
>
>Pretty sure they don't name their food. Then again, maybe they do.
>People
>here eat goldfish.

Not this person.

>
>> >> >No, actually, the new plan is to execute every single Republican,
>> >> >their children,
>> >> >grandchildren, and anyone who has ever voted for one. I thought you
>> >> >got the memo.
>> >> >Very sad, please keep up.
>>
>> >>   LOL we are better armed and most the military are Republicans.  Good
>> >> luck with that.
>>
>> >The military is not Republican or Democratic. And please, the whole
>> >armed
>> >populace thing gets so old. A grenade against a .357, you want to take
>> >your
>> >chances?  A tank against a .22?
>>
>>   Obama can't use the Military inside the USA easily.  They did pass a
>> law a few years ago for limited use.  I know a few teams that would
>> not obey a order to attack Americans.  The first oath is to the
>> Constitution.  They also must not obey a unlawful order.   Then again
>> they would all be thinking is a guy in the military shooting at my mom
>> right now.  This is stupid to even think about.
>
>Bush repealed Posse Comitatus, the rule which banned the military for
>use inside the country. Tell us again about how this is the liberals
>fault?

Didn't say it was their fault although Obama didn't try to reverse
it as I hoped. That is the one thing both parties always agree on
never give up any power or return any freedoms lost. Now it is
limited in scope and use. To me the danger is if ever used is the
reaction of the solders.

SOPA would have passed on both sides if not for the press it got.
This new one is a little better but written so broadly it is also a
danger.

Well personally I think we need a welfare system. It serves as a
safety net. Now I do believe those that section 8 should clean their
own areas and those getting welfare should maybe clean roads etc. Do
something just a small amount to help. There is no reason in hell for
sec 8 areas to look that trashy. No one picks up my yard but me.

So no I do not want welfare eliminated I posted I was against any
cut in Food Stamps and your progressive buddies even attack me on
that. I did find that strange. Guess they forgot and admitted they
really do want cuts. Not sure what thier point was.

In any case the system like all government agencies should be checked
over for waste.

>
>> >> Do you know all the DOD does?
>>
>> >Having worked with them, yes.
>>
>>    So your willing to suggest we cut the NSA and Homeland?
>
>Sure. You don't think there's a massive bloat there?

I know there is. Way to much.

>
>> >> >Then we can work on getting all of the insiders out of the banking
>> >> >regulation industry.
>>
>> >>    That I agree but getting Republican and Democrat Congressmen and
>> >> whoever is President to push that without making any bill worthless.
>> >> That will be hard.  # years and counting and nothing really done yet.
>>
>> >Which is the real problem. We don't have A government anymore, we have
>> >two, maybe three (if you include the moderates on both sides). Once
>> >upon
>> >a time, they would fight and fight and eventually find a common ground
>> >that
>> >was good for the country. When was the last time that happened?
>>
>>     Don't know it wasn't until they started acting like spoiled
>> children I took notice.  That is not true I did notice when Bush
>> started lying about Iraq.
>
>It goes back before that, even. Look at the nonsense over Clinton
>getting
>oral sex in the White House. And, to be fair to both sides, look at
>the whole
>nonsense about Reagan being senile, or Nancy having astrologers run
>the
>country. It started to get ugly back in Nixon's time, but even then,
>the real
>Republicans were the ones that threw him out.

Yes American politics. Clinton did a good job so I cared little of
what he did in private. I don't really care what those Secret Service
agents did either wasn't Illegal in that area. Then again if their
actions placed the President in jeopardy then that is another matter.

You are right about one thing it is only going to get dirtier and
dirtier until the election.

I'd like to see them debate a plan point by point. That and take
un- moderated questions from the phone or internet. The Debates
should prove interesting. Hopefully less of a circus act as the
Republican primaries were.


>
>Matt

[MattB]

Well the "Tea Party" Well be both have our crazies. I am hoping
after this election they are a gone for the most part. Then we can
move the republicans a little away from the extreme right and to a
reasonable area.

>
>>
>> Then again I have been claiming Progressive are as crazy as the Tea
>> Party.  Nice to see that I am right.
>
>Yep, you were wrong again.

No not wrong just keep hoping the Tea Party is gone. Let them
form a third party.

>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Romney is a Republican. We know what he will do. We have a VERY long
>> >track record of Republicans. Nixon, Reagan, Bush II. He will destroy
>> >this
>> >country. Under Obama, we are finally coming out of an eight year
>> >debacle
>> >that saw us lose two wars, get attacked on our own soil and go into a
>> >Recession
>> >the likes of which we have not seen in decades.
>>
>>       Republican or Democrat we'd be coming out of it.  Bush was a
>> idiot pure and simple.  I believe a puppet and Cheney was really in
>> charge.    To say all republicans are alike is like me saying all
>> Blacks are like the New Black Panther Party.  I know for a fact that
>> isn't true.  Then again I know there are good Republicans,
>
>Really. Tell me a recession that lasted this long. Why didn't we come
>out
>of it under Bush? We weren't, we were descending further into it, as
>the
>Grand Obstructionist Party's own numbers show. The job numbers don't
>come up immediately under Obama, nor do the economic ones. Why is
>that? If Obama wasn't doing anything to help, they would have stayed
>down
>just as they did under Bush.

Now lets be honest here the recession really starting getting bad
just a year before Bush left. Bush started everything was fine.
There were economy student at UF that saw it coming 2 years before the
government admitted it. The government doesn't control all the
companies and job markets. They don't have that power. No President
can fix this overnight.

My problem with Obama was he focused on his healthcare bill before
turning to the economy. That showed a lack of leadership and showed
he cared more about his agenda. I don't trust Obama his comment about
being "Flexible" after the election keeps coming to mind. What are
his secret plans for after the election with Russia?

>
>There may be good Republicans. None of them are in office anymore.

I think when most election money started being controlled by the
Parties both left and right. That placed to much power in those that
control the purse strings. Maybe I'm wrong. They do mostly follow
the party and do what the leaders say. They no longer represent us
the citizens unless we throw a fit. We saw that with SOPA.

>
>> >Tell me EXACTLY what Romney will do. We know what Obama has done, we
>> >know that it has helped. Now, be specific. Tell me what Romney will
>> >do. Will he
>> >boost the economy? Or pass an anti-gay marriage act first. And will
>> >you ask for
>> >his impeachment when he does the latter?
>>
>>    More than Obama.  Obama is using Class, Race and envy to destroy
>> America for a few votes.
>
>Waiting. Patiently. Tell us what Romney will do.

Well Lets see. What Romney will do. don't know the Future.
What Obama is doing yes present.

>
>Tell us what Obama has done to use "class, race and envy". Be very
>careful
>that you don't use Republican quotes, because you are going to have to
>to
>prove your point.

Read the paper talk to Democrats and Republicans get out in the
real world and you will hear and see it. The world is not a blog. I
don't support cutting Food Stamps because I go out and see the people.
Talk to the Food Bank people here the real story.

OWS is about Class warfare. Keep hearing the 1% talked about. Then I
have seen the 5%. Then even a few days ago how Gated Communities were
racist. Want proof read these post. Right and left propaganda BS all
over.

You at times have to go to foreign news to get a balanced view.

>
>Matt

[Matt]

No, actually, it was the Republicans. Yes, a somewhat conservative
arm of them, but still. I'm still waiting to see his birth
certificate. I notice
he was not required to present one, as per Arizona law.

> >> Then again I have been claiming Progressive are as crazy as the Tea
> >> Party.  Nice to see that I am right.
>
> >Yep, you were wrong again.
>
>     No not wrong just keep hoping the Tea Party is gone.  Let them
> form a third party.

Might be ok, except that we need a real third party.

No, the recession didn't. It got REALLY bad the year before he left.
It was
going downhill from 2003, but we blamed a lot of it on 9/11. Most of
us saw
it coming, and most of us knew it would be awful.

The only way to fix the job situation is to move things back to this
country.
The only way to do that is to repeal the preferential tax treatment
given to
companies that move jobs overseas. Do you really think it was an
accident
that Halliburton moved its headquarters, and a good chunk of its jobs,
overseas
during the Bush/Cheney administration.

And if no President can fix this overnight, why is Obama being held to
that
standard? Be consistent.

>
> My problem with Obama was he focused on his healthcare bill before
> turning to the economy.  That showed a lack of leadership and showed
> he cared more about his agenda.  I don't trust Obama his comment about
> being "Flexible" after the election keeps coming to mind.  What are
> his secret plans for after the election with Russia?

Surprisingly healthcare is the biggest obstacle we have in the long
term. It
is also one of the biggest issues, for companies, for the short term.
Healthcare
costs are skyrocketing, while the cost of actual treatment to the
doctors isn't
changing much. Why is that?

His "secret" plans for Russia were spelled out in the video that you
seem to
only have watched 10 seconds of. Try going back and learning. You
won't listen
to others, which is fine, but you can't simply take edited video out
of context and
think you know something.

> >There may be good Republicans. None of them are in office anymore.
>
>      I think when most election money started being controlled by the
> Parties both left and right.  That placed to much power in those that
> control the purse strings.  Maybe I'm wrong.  They do mostly follow
> the party and do what the leaders say.  They no longer represent us
> the citizens unless we throw a fit.  We saw that with SOPA.

We've seen it with a few things, including the healthcare bill. People
DO
understand that we can't just keep paying rates that double every
three
years. It isn't sustainable. As for the parties .. who knows. Seems
like the
people that are moderates on both sides, Ben Nelson, Olivia Snowe, and
the rest, have run away because they've had enough.

It all begins at the grassroots level, which means that if you don't
like the
Republicans in DC, it is your own fault for electing those that put
them there.
Colorado has a mostly moderate group, as does NY, my hometown. There
is a reason for this. People get involved.

So, really, put up or shut up is the name of the game.

Matt

[MattB]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:06:47 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:32:27 -0700, MattB
><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>     I see that as Democrats showing they are all the things they said
>>>> about the Tea Party Birthers just crazy.  Hopefully that has been
>>>> checked out already.
>>>
>>>Heh. It isn't the Democrats calling for his birth certificate. I
>>>suggest you look
>>>into it. It is the Republicans.
>>
>> Well the "Tea Party" Well be both have our crazies. I am hoping
>>after this election they are a gone for the most part. Then we can
>>move the republicans a little away from the extreme right and to a
>>reasonable area.
>

>You will never see a move toward center by republicans in your
>lifetime.

Well I believe we are. The vocal ones are the Tea Party. Yet the
Radicals did not want Romney and he was picked. Tells you the
radicals Tea Party has lost control of the Party. Next get them out
of the House and replace them with those more like what we had under
Clinton. That did seem to work.

[Matt]

On Apr 25, 10:06 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:32:27 -0700, MattB
>

> <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
> >>>     I see that as Democrats showing they are all the things they said
> >>> about the Tea Party Birthers just crazy.  Hopefully that has been
> >>> checked out already.
>
> >>Heh. It isn't the Democrats calling for his birth certificate. I
> >>suggest you look
> >>into it. It is the Republicans.
>
> >    Well the "Tea Party"  Well be both have our crazies.  I am hoping
> >after this election they are a gone for the most part.  Then we can
> >move the republicans a little away from the extreme right and to a
> >reasonable area.
>

> You will never see a move toward center by republicans in your
> lifetime.

Almost certainly, you will. Moves like this happen about every 20
years,
and I personally plan to be around for at least 20 more years. I saw
the
last two, I saw this one. Likely I'll see one or two more.

Matt

[Phlip]

On Apr 25, 9:37 pm, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:

>   Well I believe we are.  The vocal ones are the Tea Party.  Yet the
> Radicals did not want Romney and he was picked.  Tells you the
> radicals Tea Party has lost control of the Party.

And yet the exact same lobbyists & industrialists who concocted and
astroturfed the Tea Party are now pulling Romney's marionette
strings...

[MattB]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:53:33 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phli...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The Majority of Republicans will not support the radicals.
Everyone likes a winner and Romney is going to beat Obama. Then we
are going to take the house with true Republicans and then get this
country fixed.

[MattB]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:14:35 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:37:56 -0700, MattB
><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>You will never see a move toward center by republicans in your
>>>lifetime.
>>
>> Well I believe we are. The vocal ones are the Tea Party. Yet the
>>Radicals did not want Romney and he was picked. Tells you the
>>radicals Tea Party has lost control of the Party. Next get them out
>>of the House and replace them with those more like what we had under
>>Clinton. That did seem to work.
>

>Rumney cannot function with a extremist minority controlling the House
>and Senate no matter who has the majority.

Maybe we can change that. Kick out enough of the Progressives and
Tea Party members to get things done again. 2012 is important
election. We need to remove Obama and begin to get America back on
it's feet.
>
>Rumney was forced to make statements and take policy positions so
>totally out of mainstream american political thinking---that his
>election chances are slim

Polls show they are closer and the Primaries aren't even over yet.
>
>Rumney also has hired some of the most radical advisors this nation
>has---from Robert Bork leading his legal policy team, to the creators
>of the AZ immigration act that has shown to be based on a white
>supremacist foundation. (maintaining an approach that limits the
>growth of the latino demographic).
>
>You can't get worse than that.

Yes it can 4 more years of Obama.

[MattB]

Will be interesting to see. We can hope maybe we will have a third
Party of moderates. That is what we need.

Hope we are both around to see it. I'll be around 70

[MattB.]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:38:35 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:10:24 -0700, MattB
><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Majority of Republicans will not support the radicals.
>
>

>you loony
>
>The point is that the fucking extremist republicans CONTROL the
>GOP---RIGHT NOW.

We hope to change that in 2012 election and replace the radical in
the WH.

[wy]

On Apr 27, 12:41 am, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:

Radical, shmadical. In Canada, Obama would be viewed as neo-
conservative. America hasn't had a true liberal radical president
since FDR. But then, anything a right wingnut sees as not being
another right wingnut will automatically and unthinkingly view that
person as a radical, which itself, of course, can be viewed as radical
to an insane extent.

[MattB.]

Canada OK I go to BC often, Don't see it.

[Eddie Haskell]

"wy" <w...@myself.com> wrote in message
news:6c5d20b4-db75-4db7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

Hussein is a class warfare Marxist socialist anti-American racist and the
most radical president in US history. As full of shit as FDR was, he at
least wanted the country to thrive. Hussein does not.

You know that too, but you support him unquestionably because he is a black
democrat. Nothing more.

Goddamn America.

-Eddie Haskell

[First. Post]

Wy is pro Obama because he despises America. Wy doesn't really "support" Obama
as that would require some kind of effort and possibly donations. The deadbeat
Canadian welfare leech will do neither. The extent of their "support" consists
of posting horseshit to USENET and making a fool of themself. Which, you must
admit, they're pretty good at the latter at least.

[Eddie Haskell]

"First. Post" <OccupiersDu...@invalid.net> wrote in message
news:0krlp797k0crn33he...@4ax.com...

About the only thing they excel at.

-Eddie Haskell

[MattB]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:39:14 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:41 -0700, MattB.
><trdel...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>
>>>The point is that the fucking extremist republicans CONTROL the
>>>GOP---RIGHT NOW.
>>
>> We hope to change that in 2012 election and replace the radical in
>>the WH.
>

>You mean the one that just kicked the shit out of the GOP, IS now
>kicking the shit out of the GOP, and making rumney look like the idiot
>he is?


The primary isn't even over yet. November a long way off. Polls
show it close before the Republicans even have a candidate.

Democrats must be scared.

[Matt]

On Apr 27, 3:49 pm, MattB <trdell1...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:39:14 -0600, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:41:41 -0700, MattB.
> ><trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>
> >>>The point is that the fucking extremist republicans CONTROL the
> >>>GOP---RIGHT NOW.
>
> >>   We hope to change that in 2012 election and replace the radical in
> >>the WH.
>
> >You mean the one that just kicked the shit out of the GOP, IS now
> >kicking the shit out of the GOP, and making rumney look like the idiot
> >he is?
>
>    The  primary isn't even over yet.  November a long way off.  Polls
> show it close before the Republicans even have a candidate.

Be realistic, the primaries are over. Romney either has, or will
shortly have,
the required number of votes. He is their candidate, it will not be an
open
convention.

>
> Democrats must be scared.

Of what?

Matt

[MattB]

True and now to the Debates. These will be interesting. I want
to hear the elusive Democrat plans on the economy. Romney's are far
from perfect but something is better than nothing except TAX TAX TAX..

>
>>
>> Democrats must be scared.
>
>Of what?

Well the truth it seems, Distraction and ad hominem are what I
see on here from the extremist crowd as well as the progressives.

They really seem afraid of equality and logic too.


>
>Matt

[MattB.]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:31:52 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:34:13 -0700, MattB
><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Democrats must be scared.
>>>
>>>Of what?
>>
>> Well the truth it seems, Distraction and ad hominem are what I
>>see on here from the extremist crowd as well as the progressives.
>

>That's what republicans are reduced to doing.
>
>Told ya.


See what I mean. Just admit it your cur and paste replies show
your desperation.

[MattB.]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:30:58 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:49:28 -0700, MattB
><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>You mean the one that just kicked the shit out of the GOP, IS now
>>>kicking the shit out of the GOP, and making rumney look like the idiot
>>>he is?
>>
>>
>> The primary isn't even over yet. November a long way off. Polls
>>show it close before the Republicans even have a candidate.
>>
>>Democrats must be scared.
>>

>That's a strange way of spelling "laughing"


Yes I laugh when I see Obama I always wonder if those ears allow him
to fly like the flying nun.

We could call that show the Flying idiot.

[2966 Dead]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:30:58 -0600, Yoorghis wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:49:28 -0700, MattB
> <trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>

>>>You mean the one that just kicked the shit out of the GOP, IS now
>>>kicking the shit out of the GOP, and making rumney look like the idiot
>>>he is?
>>
>>
>> The primary isn't even over yet. November a long way off. Polls
>>show it close before the Republicans even have a candidate.
>>
>>Democrats must be scared.
>>

> That's a strange way of spelling "laughing"

Actually, the only poll that shows it close is Faux News. The rest all
show Obama with between a seven and fifteen point lead.

[MattB]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:06:32 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <de...@gone.com>

Seen Romney gaining. 7-15 isn't much. Liberal polls are as
biased as Fox. Then Romney getting better.

The Debates are what I'm waiting for.

[linuxgal]

That can be deceptive. Presidents are elected by the Electoral College.
The swing states are where you want to do your polling, and you want
to focus on independent voters.

[2966 Dead]

And of course, you define "liberal polls" as "any poll not paid for by
Karl Rove".

>
> The Debates are what I'm waiting for.

That should be hilarious. I take it you already forgot the '08 debates,
or the time Obama met with 135 GOP Congressmen and took them apart so
deftly that Faux News had to break away half way through.

[2966 Dead]

Obama has a pretty healthy lead amongst independents, as does the
Democratic Party in general. And the last polls I saw for swing states,
about three months ago, show Obama leading Generic Republican in Ohio and
Wisconsin. And Generic Republican always outperforms Mittens in matchups
against Obama.

Not that it really means a shit. Between electronic voting and Citizens
United, Americans lost control of how they select their government. The
polls might just provide evidence of how fucked up America has become.

[Gary DW]

In article <v1vmp71rdphokio6c...@4ax.com>,
MattB says...

Hahahaha!


If Mittens even agree's to do one!





--


-Gary


And Mike Lofgren, a veteran Republican congressional
staffer, wrote an anguished diatribe last year about why
he was ending his career on the Hill after nearly three
decades. ?The Republican Party is becoming less and less
like a traditional political party in a representative
democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or
one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties
of 20th century Europe,? he wrote on the Truthout Web
site.

[MattB]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:37:40 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>Snicker
>
>I'm supposed to include nonsense you use as evidence and argue as if
>it were truth?

Now your truly getting insulting. Your calling me a progressive
Democrat.


>
>Doubt it.

[Gary DW]

In article
<ddudnVYDLpTbdwbS...@giganews.com>,
linuxgal says...

Is there even one swing state Mittens isn't trailing in?

And the economy could be much better by Nov...

[MattB]

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:38:43 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:14:44 -0700, MattB

><trdel...@Nomorespamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Actually, the only poll that shows it close is Faux News. The rest all
>>>show Obama with between a seven and fifteen point lead.
>>
>>
>> Seen Romney gaining. 7-15 isn't much.
>

>BWHHAHAHAHAHA
>
>You think anything faux shows will ever show "gap widening"?

Think it was gallop Posted many remember. You sure are stuck on
Fox.
>
>
>Boy, are you dense.

[linuxgal]

2966 Dead wrote:
>
> Not that it really means a shit. Between electronic voting and Citizens
> United, Americans lost control of how they select their government.

Diebold and their Blackwater enforcers are keeping the identity of the
next President secret, however, for entertainment purposes.

[linuxgal]

2966 Dead wrote:

> That should be hilarious. I take it you already forgot the '08 debates,
> or the time Obama met with 135 GOP Congressmen and took them apart so
> deftly that Faux News had to break away half way through.

Yeah, the ol' TelePrompTer was really crackling that time.