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Re: "The reality is that we're losing in Iraq." - Sen. Hagel

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"- Prof. Jonez坼

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Jun 19, 2005, 3:07:52 PM6/19/05
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Johnny Asia wrote:
> June 27, 2005 U.S News and World Report
>
> "Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House
> is completely disconnected from reality," Hagel tells U.S. News. "It's
> like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that
> we're losing in Iraq."
>
>
> http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050627/27bush.htm
>
> Hit by friendly fire --Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel is angry.
> He's upset about the more than 1,700 U.S. soldiers killed and nearly
> 13,000 wounded in Iraq. He's also aggravated by the continued string
> of sunny assessments from the Bush administration, such as Vice
> Resident Dick Cheney's recent remark that the insurgency is in its
> "last throes." "Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse.
> The White House is completely disconnected from reality," Hagel tells
> U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The
> reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
> +
>
> "As democracy is perfected, the office of president
> represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
> of the people. On some great and glorious day the
> plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
> desire at last and the White House will be adorned
> by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
>
> "Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
> dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
> - William H. Beveridge, 1944
>
>
> "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
> by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
>
> Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
>
> The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
> The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
>
>
>
>
>
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Johnny Asia

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Jun 21, 2005, 10:14:07 AM6/21/05
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U.S. Said Delaying Saddam Interrogations
By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

BRUSSELS, Belgium - Iraqi's justice minister said Tuesday that U.S.
officials are trying to delay interrogations of Saddam Hussein.

Justice Minister Abdel Hussein Shandal, in Brussels for an
international conference on Iraq, also accused the U.S. of
concealing information about the ousted Iraqi leader.

"It seems there are lots of secrets they want to hide," he told The
Associated Press in an exclusive interview.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20050621/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_trial

whit

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Jun 21, 2005, 8:16:44 PM6/21/05
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Boo hoo, little kornholer.
Go tell yo' momma.
(she's the one at the bottom)

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Johnny Asia

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Aug 27, 2005, 6:41:45 AM8/27/05
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"I see developments on the constitutional side as potentially
disastrous," said Larry Diamond, a scholar at Stanford University and
former senior advisor in the defunct Coalition Provisional Authority.
"I think the Bush administration has miscalculated profoundly by
trying to get this constitution done by Aug. 15 at any price."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20050827/ts_latimes/iraqcharterstrifehurtsusstrategy

Iraq Charter Strife Hurts U.S. Strategy
By Tyler Marshall and Alissa J. Rubin Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — Deep divisions in Iraq over the country's draft
constitution carry seeds that could destroy the Bush administration's
beleaguered strategy for turning the strife-torn country into a
unified and stable democracy.

More than any single act, a telephone call Thursday by President
Bush to Shiite leader Abdelaziz Hakim to discuss the process
underscored how important the document is to the administration. Even
if American pressure forces the Iraqis to reach a deal, few who have
followed the negotiations expect that it can hold.

Critics of the drafting process now include some Sunni Arabs the
administration had been able to count on in the past, such as Ghazi
Ajil Yawer, one of Iraq's two vice presidents. Respected Middle East
specialists, including some who have advised the administration in
Iraq, worry about the way events have unfolded.

"I see developments on the constitutional side as potentially
disastrous," said Larry Diamond, a scholar at Stanford University and
former senior advisor in the defunct Coalition Provisional Authority.
"I think the Bush administration has miscalculated profoundly by
trying to get this constitution done by Aug. 15 at any price."

On Friday, the deadlock continued, with Sunni negotiators unwilling to
accept new wording proposed by Shiites, amid increasing indications
that the Iraqi electorate will be asked, in a national referendum set
for Oct. 15, to approve a document that has not been endorsed by Sunni
leaders.

Besides exposing the chasm between Sunni and Shiite Arabs, the
fractious debate coincides with a darkening of the American public's
mood about the war. Gallup Poll results released Friday show Bush's
approval rating fell 5 points in August to 40%, the lowest since he
took office. Also worrisome for the administration is that doubts are
being voiced more forcefully, although still privately, by some senior
military officers, civilian Pentagon officials and U.S. diplomats.

Bush was counting on a consensus on the constitution as a sign of
progress to counter growing doubts at home and to further his goal of
a stable Iraq.

Instead, Middle East specialists worry that the bitterness of the
battle over the constitution could turn wavering Sunnis toward the
insurgents and add to sectarian tensions.

The likelihood of violence will only increase, experts fear, if Sunnis
attempt to defeat the draft in the referendum.

However the vote plays out, there is a sense among observers that
America's endeavor in Iraq is coming to the crunch. The next few
months are seen as crucial — a successful referendum in October
followed by December elections for a new national government could
either begin to turn the tide against the insurgency or so polarize
the country that it sinks into civil war.

+

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944


"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html

Listen to Spanish Dervish by Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future:
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Charles Aulds

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Aug 27, 2005, 8:33:04 AM8/27/05
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:41:45 -0400, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20050827/ts_latimes/iraqcharterstrifehurtsusstrategy
>
>Iraq Charter Strife Hurts U.S. Strategy
> By Tyler Marshall and Alissa J. Rubin Times Staff Writers
>
>
>WASHINGTON — Deep divisions in Iraq over the country's draft
>constitution carry seeds that could destroy the Bush administration's
>beleaguered strategy for turning the strife-torn country into a
>unified and stable democracy.
>
>More than any single act, a telephone call Thursday by President
>Bush to Shiite leader Abdelaziz Hakim to discuss the process
>underscored how important the document is to the administration. Even
>if American pressure forces the Iraqis to reach a deal, few who have
>followed the negotiations expect that it can hold.

No, no, no ... once again, no.

This is a huge diplomatic mistake; to let the Iraqi people KNOW that
Bush is now making desperate personal pleas to National Assembly
officials in Iraq to influence them to make concessions to Sunni
Muslims who oppose the draft constitution.

The problem with Bush calling individuals like al-Hakim is that it's
like a kiss of death for the constitution they're trying to build
consensus for. Regardless of your personal opinion of President Bush
(or mine), he enjoys virtually no credibility with the majority of the
Iraqi people. From their perspective, his lips drip with lies, and
his hands are stained with the blood of their people.

If the US really wants to see the Iraqis succeed in efforts to ratify
a national constitution in October, and move to the election of a new
government under that constitution by next year, they need to keep
President Bush as far away from things as possible, or at least keep
the Iraqi people from finding out about things like this stupid phone
call.

Incidentally, not only is Abdul Aziz al-Hakim a Shiite Muslim cleric
(essentially a priest), but he's also the leader of the Supreme
Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, a group that was formerly
based in Iran and continues to be backed by Iran. If al-Hakim is a
puppet ... it isn't the US pulling his strings.

Charles


PaineN.Diaz@homeandeverywhere.else Maj. Paine N. Diaz

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Aug 27, 2005, 9:30:44 AM8/27/05
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ig0h1pvvet4uidkt...@4ax.com...

>
> "I see developments on the constitutional side as potentially
> disastrous," said Larry Diamond, a scholar at Stanford University and
> former senior advisor in the defunct Coalition Provisional Authority.
> "I think the Bush administration has miscalculated profoundly by
> trying to get this constitution done by Aug. 15 at any price."
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/20050827/ts_latimes/iraqcharterstrifehurtsusstrategy
>
> Iraq Charter Strife Hurts U.S. Strategy
> By Tyler Marshall and Alissa J. Rubin Times Staff Writers
>
>
> WASHINGTON - Deep divisions in Iraq over the country's draft

> constitution carry seeds that could destroy the Bush administration's
> beleaguered strategy for turning the strife-torn country into a
> unified and stable democracy.

So what's the problem with that? Isn't that what you guys want?


1872 Dead

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Aug 27, 2005, 11:54:24 AM8/27/05
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It isn't what we want.

But it is what we predicted.

Whaddya plan to do to fix it?
>

"I have not ordered the use of force. I hope
the use of force will not become necessary.
Hopefully this can be done peacefully.
Hopefully we can do this without any
military action."
--Putsch, three months after telling Blair he planned
to attack as soon as he had the phony intelligence
and propaganda all in place.

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Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 7:57:03 AM8/28/05
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Even the Iraqi woman Bush trotted out in 2004 has turned on him
for selling out human rights
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/8/27/174736/789

Sat 27 Aug 2005 By flicknut

Iraqi Woman at State of the Union Address Turns on Bush

Remember this woman ? Her name is Safia Taleb al-Suhail (or Sofia
Taleb Al Souhail depending on the translation). She stirred emotions
at Bush's February State of the Union address when she hugged the
mother of a 25-year old marine killed in Iraq.

Oh how the right-wing blogs loved every minute of it...

But wait! Now Safia has changed her mind about the so-called noble
cause because the draft constitution leaves women's rights in the
hands of Islamic clerics, turning back decades of progress. In her own
words :


When we came back from exile, we thought we were going to improve
rights and the position of women. But look what has happened -- we
have lost all the gains we made over the last 30 years. It's a big
disappointment.
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/8/27/174736/789

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 10:22:16 AM8/28/05
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"The Bush administration has tried to make Venezuela seem like a
spooky, murky place," said Larry Birns of the Washington based
think-tank the Council on Hemispheric Affairs. "But they have cried
wolf too often. Without serious evidence, you can't take their
accusations seriously."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050828/us_nm/venezuela_usa_dc

Campaign to ring Chavez alarm fails to resonate
By Saul Hudson


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - "Since when did Venezuela become a threat?"
asked U.S. radio sports talk show host Tony Kornheiser.

"Since gas went over $3," his co-host joked, referring to soaring U.S.
prices and the fact Venezuela holds the largest oil reserves outside
the Middle East.

The Bush administration has accused leftist President Hugo Chavez of
seeking to destabilize Latin American governments and doing too little
to combat drug traffickers and Marxist rebels operating around its
border with U.S. ally Colombia.

But Washington's campaign to raise the alarm over a major U.S. oil
supplier has failed to resonate among members of congress, editorial
writers, think-tank analysts and the public.

In the void, Pat Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate
and key supporter of President George W. Bush, called last week
for Chavez to be assassinated for exporting communism and Muslim
extremism.

As wild as his charges appeared, the attack came against the backdrop
of largely unsubstantiated Bush administration accusations and Chavez
said they represented the view of the right-wing U.S. elite.

"The Bush administration has tried to make Venezuela seem like a
spooky, murky place," said Larry Birns of the Washington based
think-tank the Council on Hemispheric Affairs. "But they have cried
wolf too often. Without serious evidence, you can't take their
accusations seriously."

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 2:55:59 PM8/28/05
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The troops must be under orders to kill journalists to prevent
the bad news from being reported in the US.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050828/wl_nm/iraq_reuters_dc


Reuters soundman killed in Baghdad, police blame US

By Alastair Macdonald


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A Reuters Television soundman was shot dead in
Baghdad on Sunday and a cameraman with him was wounded and then
detained by U.S. soldiers.

Iraqi police said they had been shot by U.S. forces. A U.S. military
spokesman said the incident was being investigated.

Waleed Khaled, 35, was hit by a shot to the face and at least four to
the chest as he drove to check a report from police sources of an
incident involving police and gunmen in the Hay al-Adil district, in
the west of the city.

"A team from Reuters news agency was on assignment to cover the
killing of two policemen in Hay al-Adil; U.S. forces opened fire on
the team from Reuters and killed Waleed Khaled, who was shot in the
head, and wounded Haider Kadhem," an Interior Ministry official quoted
the police incident report as saying.

"I heard shooting, looked up and saw an American sniper on the roof of
the shopping center," cameraman Kadhem, who was wounded in the back,
told colleagues who arrived at the scene.

The only known eyewitness, he was later detained by U.S. troops and
was still in custody six hours later despite Reuters' requests that he
be freed to receive medical attention. His precise whereabouts were
not clear.

Two Iraqi colleagues who arrived on the scene minutes after the
shooting were also briefly detained, then released.

"They treated us like dogs. They made us, ... including Khaled who was
wounded and asking for water, sit in the sun on the road," Reuters
Television soundman Mohammed Idriss said.

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 4:19:39 PM8/28/05
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Rev. Jackson Lends Support to Chavez
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer


CARACAS, Venezuela - The Rev. Jesse Jackson offered support for
President Hugo Chavez on Sunday, saying a call for his assassination
by a U.S. religious broadcaster was a criminal act and that Washington
and Venezuela should work out their differences through diplomacy.

The U.S. civil rights leader condemned last week's suggestion by Pat
Robertson that American agents should kill the leftist Venezuelan
leader, calling the conservative commentator's statements "immoral"
and "illegal."

Jackson urged U.S. authorities to take action, and said the U.S.
government must choose "diplomacy over any threats of sabotage or
isolation or assassination."

"We must choose a civilized policy of rational conversation," he told
reporters at a news conference.

In a speech to Venezuela's National Assembly, Jackson said every
country has a right to self-determination, and touched on subjects
from poverty to Martin Luther King Jr.'s role in the civil rights
struggle of American blacks.

"Though our histories are burdensome with pain and often bitter
memories, we must have the strength to get ahead and not just get
even," Jackson said to a rousing applause from Venezuelan lawmakers.

Jackson later met and shook hands with Chavez during the Venezuelan
leader's weekly radio and television program.

"Reverend Jackson, you can be sure that we will continue fighting for
the ideas of Martin Luther King, for Christ the Redeemer's idea of
loving one another and building a society of equals through our
peaceful and democratic revolution," said Chavez.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us_jackson

Dana

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Aug 28, 2005, 4:47:55 PM8/28/05
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:t224h1d06qjqjr0pl...@4ax.com...

> Waleed Khaled, 35, was hit by a shot to the face and at least four to
> the chest as he drove

That is what happens to terrorists.


Jeff Welch

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Aug 28, 2005, 6:33:34 PM8/28/05
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l274h1112ocprdgfr...@4ax.com...

> CARACAS, Venezuela - The Rev. Jesse Jackson offered support for
> President Hugo Chavez on Sunday, saying a call for his assassination
> by a U.S. religious broadcaster was a criminal act and that Washington
> and Venezuela should work out their differences through diplomacy.

Let's see if I've got this straight:

Someone says that an American religious leader's call to assassinate a
democratically elected foreign leader is a criminal act - and you call this
"support"?

Someone suggests that political differences between two democratically
elected leaders should be settled through diplomacy and you think this is
bad?

What the fuck is WRONG with you?

-Jeff

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 6:57:24 PM8/28/05
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'This constitution was written by exiles. We will not accept it'

29 Aug 2005

Even before the final text of the constitution was read out to
representatives in the country’s parliament yesterday, Iraq’s Sunni
Muslim politicians were lining up to denounce the charter, which they
pledged to defeat in the referendum that is to be held on October
15... Hussein al-Falluji, a Sunni member of the committee that drafted
the constitution, said that his community would reject the document
with their "dying breath". "This is an American constitution and we
will not accept it, no matter what," al-Falluji said.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1755234,00.html

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 6:59:30 PM8/28/05
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Potomac Fever: Leach joins Democrats in backing memo bill

28 Aug 2005 Count on Rep. Jim Leach. He's going to make waves again
as, apparently, the first Republican to sign on to a House resolution
demanding disclosure of administration documents related to what's
known as the Downing Street memos."

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050828/OPINION01/508280329/1035/opinion

Jim E

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Aug 28, 2005, 7:25:36 PM8/28/05
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l274h1112ocprdgfr...@4ax.com...
> Rev. Jackson Lends Support to Chavez
> By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer
>


Not enough camera time, he's going into attention withdrawal again.
What a pathetic self promoting has been.


Jim E


Sid9

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Aug 28, 2005, 8:03:27 PM8/28/05
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"Jim E" <YD64...@SEA.net> wrote in message
news:3nevfhF...@individual.net...

If he doesn't matter, why do you bother to respond?
Obviously, he matters to you


Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 8:42:59 PM8/28/05
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=6&u=/krwashbureau/20050826/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_usiraq_morale_wa

Fighting unseen enemy creates psychological pressure on troops
By Tom Lasseter, Knight Ridder Newspapers
Fri Aug 26, 7:32 PM ET


HIT, Iraq - The inability of U.S. forces to hold ground in Anbar
province in western Iraq, and the cat and mouse chase that ensues, has
put the Marines and soldiers there under intense physical and
psychological pressure.

The sun raises temperatures to 115 degrees most days, insurgents stage
ambushes daily then melt into the civilian population and American
troops in Anbar find themselves in a house of mirrors in which they
don't speak the language and can't tell friend from foe.

Most Marines and soldiers in Anbar live behind massive concrete
barriers, bales of concertina wire and perimeters guarded by sniper
towers and tanks.

Despite their overwhelming military might, they must watch every
alleyway for snipers and each patch of road for mines or bombs, which
can send balls of flame through their vehicles. That happened earlier
this month south of Haditha, when an explosion killed 14 Marines in an
amphibious assault vehicle.

Officers worry about the enemy while trying to make sure their men
don't crack under the pressure.


"It's a lot like it was in Vietnam, when the VC's (Viet Cong) would
come out and pretend to be your friends," said Marine Lance Cpl. Jared
Vidler, 23, of Syracuse, N.Y. "You're fighting an enemy on his home
ground and you don't know who's who."

After a recent meeting with local tribal sheiks in Fallujah, Marine
Lt. Col. Jim Haldeman walked to the back of the room and pulled a pack
of cigarettes from his pocket.

The gathering was supposed to be an exercise in civic empowerment but
quickly degenerated into the Iraqis demanding that they get
identification cards designating them as sheiks, which would bar local
security forces from arresting them on the streets.

"All of these guys are f------ muj," Haldeman said, using the Arabic
term for "holy warriors," mujahedeen, which American troops frequently
use to describe the insurgents.

Haldeman took a deep drag from his cigarette.

"I've never been so nervous around a group of men," he said. Haldeman,
50, of West Kingston, R.I., later added that he was sure that a lot of
the men in the crowd would have slit his throat if they'd had the
opportunity.

Walking down an alley in Hit a few days earlier, stepping over pools
of sewage, Lance Cpl. Greg Allen had watched the Marines around him.
They were picking through garbage, tugging on wires and kicking boxes,
looking for bombs and mines and hoping that if they found one it
wouldn't go off.

"They (insurgents) are doing a hell of a job fighting this war. They
know they can't take us head on but they can do a lot of damage with
bombs," said Allen, 19, of Syracuse, N.Y. "There's no one out here to
fight."

The men in Allen's squad stopped at a grocery to buy water and sodas.
As they walked away, several of them wondered if they'd just given
money to an insurgent sympathizer.

On a recent patrol through southern Ramadi, the capital of Anbar
province, Sgt. 1st Class Tom Coffey, 37, of Burlington, Vt., looked
through the thick bulletproof windows of his Humvee. Children were
peeking at him from behind a half-closed garage door.

"I'd love to play soccer with them but we'd have to stage gun trucks
and then we'd still end up being a large soft target," he said.

After he went back to the base to pick up some supplies, a call came:
A roadside bomb had hit one of his Bradley Fighting Vehicles.

A description of a vehicle possibly driven by the triggerman came over
the radio. "The guy's already gone," Coffey said. "We're just p------
in the wind now."

Later, he and his men walked along the Euphrates River, looking for a
metal stake that an informant said marked a weapons cache. The sun
burned, and palm trees and crops formed a lush green swath along the
riverbank.

"There's been reports of a .50 (caliber) sniper rifle out there. Maybe
they called this in just to get us out here and take a shot. A .50-cal
would go straight through our (body armor) plates," Coffey said,
looking at the buildings across the river. "Why do I feel like I'm in
a f------ Vietnam movie?"

Johnny Asia

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Aug 28, 2005, 10:05:29 PM8/28/05
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Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans

06 June 2005

In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps
of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in
federal funding. It would be the largest single-year funding loss ever
for the New Orleans district, Corps officials said. I've been here
over 30 years and I've never seen this level of reduction, said Al
Naomi, project manager for the New Orleans district... The cuts mean
major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to
local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect
the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367

GOD'S WRATH

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Aug 28, 2005, 10:17:31 PM8/28/05
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Johnny Asia wrote:

> Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans

YOUR FALSE GOD, BUSH CAN NOT SAVE YOU, RED STATE MOTHER FUCKERS!
BEND OVER AND FEEL MY WRATH.

WEAR YOUR RUBBERS.

Love,
God

Johnny Asia

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Aug 29, 2005, 12:40:04 AM8/29/05
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Al Sharpton Speaks at Texas Anti-War Camp
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer


CRAWFORD, Texas - The Rev. Al Sharpton joined hundreds of war
protesters outside President Bush's ranch for an interfaith
service Sunday, saying he felt compelled to meet Cindy Sheehan, the
grieving mother who started the rally three weeks earlier.

On Sunday, Sharpton joined Sheehan in laying roses at crosses near
"Camp Casey,"

"I feel that it is our moral obligation to stand and to be courageous
with these families, and particularly Cindy, that have become the
conscience of this nation," said Sharpton, an activist and former
Democratic presidential candidate.

Actor Martin Sheen, who portrays the Democratic president on NBC's
"The West Wing," also met with Sheehan and spoke to a crowd of more
than 300.

"At least you've got the acting president of the United States," the
actor said. "I think you know what I do for a living, but this is what
I do to stay alive."

Several cars with pro-Bush signs drove slowly down the road by the
protest campsite. One man was arrested and charged with misdemeanor
assault for allegedly shoving an anti-war demonstrator, McLennan
County sheriff's deputies said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050829/ap_on_re_us/peace_mom

Matti Partonen

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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> The troops must be under orders to kill journalists to prevent
> the bad news from being reported in the US.
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050828/wl_nm/iraq_reuters_dc
>

Your source states that so far 66 journalists have been killed in Iraq
during the present war. Have you seen any figure how many of those have been
killed by US troops? In such cases, could the fire be characterized as
"friendly" or do the troops see journalists as enemies?

Matti P.

Miles Long

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And so:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/28/iraq.journalists.reut/index.html

Report: More journalists killed in Iraq than Vietnam

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- More journalists have been killed in Iraq
since the war began in March 2003 than during the 20 years of conflict
in Vietnam, media rights group Reporters Without Borders (RSF) said on
Sunday.

Since U.S. forces and its allies launched their campaign in Iraq on
March 20, 2003, 66 journalists and their assistants have been killed,
RSF said.

The latest casualty was a Reuters Television soundman who was shot dead
in Baghdad on Sunday, while a cameraman with him was wounded and then
detained by U.S. soldiers.

The death toll in Iraq compares with a total of 63 journalists in
Vietnam, but which was over a period of 20 years from 1955 to 1975, the
Paris-based organization that campaigns to protect journalists said on
its Web site.

During the fighting in the former Yugoslavia between 1991 and 1995, 49
journalists were killed doing their job, while 57 journalists and 20
media assistants were killed during a civil war in Algeria from 1993 to
1996.

RSF listed Iraq as the world's most dangerous place for journalists. In
addition to those killed, 22 have been kidnapped. All but one was
released. Italian journalist Enzo Baldoni was executed by his captors.

The first media fatality was in the opening days of the fighting, when
cameraman Paul Moran, of the Australian TV network ABC, was killed by a
car bomb on March 22, 2003, RSF added.

Two other journalists have been missing since March 2003 and August 2004.

Miles "Killing The Messenger" Long

Jeffrae

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Prove that he is a terrorist... Maybe he is.. I am not going to argue
that... I just want to see the proof...


Johnny Asia

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Police chief- Lockerbie evidence was faked

28 Aug 2005 A former Scottish police chief has given lawyers a signed
statement claiming that key evidence in the Lockerbie bombing trial
was fabricated. The retired officer - of assistant chief constable
rank or higher - has testified that the CIA planted the tiny fragment
of circuit board crucial in convicting a Libyan for the 1989 mass
murder of 270 people.

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1855852005

Johnny Asia

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Dahr Jamail's Iraq Dispatches **
** http://dahrjamailiraq.com **

New on DVD: Falluja 2004

*A film by Japanese independent journalist Toshikuni Doi*


Falluja April 2004 A documentary by Japanese independent journalist
Toshikuni Doi <http://www.progressiveportal.org/store/>Fallujah has
become a symbol of the resistance movement against the U.S. occupation
of Iraq. In April 2004, the U.S. forces invaded Fallujah with several
thousand soldiers. Why did Fallujah become a base of the resistance
against the occupation? How did the U.S. forces attack? Who fought
against them? And what damages and injuries did people suffer? Ten
days after the siege of Falluja was lifted, Toshikuni Doi, a Japanese
independent journalist, went into Fallujah. His documentary
investigates the causes of, the conditions during, and damages from
the siege. The documentary is primarily in Arabic, with English
subtitles. DVD, 55 minutes.

Toshikuni Doi is a Japanese journalist who has been covering Iraq
since just after the U.S. invasion.

ORDER ONLINE AT: http://www.progressiveportal.org/store/


"/For a well documented, powerful film of what really occurred in
Fallujah during the April, 2004 siege, this is a must see. The film
begins by investigating why the resistance began in Fallujah shortly
after the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. The film then accurately
chronicles what occurred in Fallujah during the failed April siege. I
couldn't recommend this more highly. To get a more complete
understanding of the failed occupation of Iraq, watch this film and
encourage others to do the same./" -Dahr Jamail


In addition, here is a petitition against a film being made about
Fallujah in Hollywood which I encourage you to sign and distribute far
and wide:


To: Patricia McQueeney, Mr Ford's agent


Harrison Ford has announced that he wishes to play the role of the
general in charge of the assault and seige of Fallujah, in an upcoming
movie to be entitled No True Glory. This action resulted in the
destruction of a whole city and the loss of many thousand innocent
lives, and caused over 300,000 people to become homeless, while the
insurgent Iraqis mostly slipped away, to attack again from elsewhere.
We do not trust Hollywood to show the abuses of the US forces, who
broke Geneva Conventions and denied civilians hospitals, water, food,
opening fire on ambulances and denying the press coverage. We do not
believe the military to have been innocent pawns of flawed government,
and do not wish Mr Ford to play General Mattis, and we vote against
the making of this film. We ask the studios to examine history before
they rewrite it. We ask Mr Ford to read up on the truth. "And the
truth shall set us free."


http://petitiononline.com/b7qrlb5/petition.html


_______________________________________________
More writing, photos and commentary at http://dahrjamailiraq.com

Johnny Asia

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Al-Yawer, a former exile, has been a central figure in Iraq's politics
since U.S. officials named him president of the caretaker government
installed in mid-2004.

But his bitterness suggested that even moderate and U.S.-friendly
Sunnis are feeling increasingly alienated in their struggle for a
place in the new Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=1&u=/krwashbureau/20050829/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_usiraq_wa

Iraq's highest-ranking Sunni Muslim Arab criticizes constitution
By Hannah Allam, Knight Ridder Newspapers

BAGHDAD, Iraq - One of Iraq's two vice presidents criticized the
country's proposed new constitution on Monday as a threat to national
unity and said he's considering asking his supporters to reject it
when it's presented to voters this fall.


The comments by Ghazi al-Yawer, the government's top-ranking Sunni
Muslim Arab and a leading moderate who heads one of Iraq's largest
tribes, underscored signs that the constitution is likely to widen,
not heal, the rift between the Shiite-dominated government and the
Sunni minority, the base for Iraq's insurgency.

Al-Yawer said Sunni Arabs are living under a "dictatorship of the
majority," referring to the Shiite Muslims and Kurds who dominate the
government.

"The Iraqi national identity is diminishing more and more, and this
constitution is not helping that," al-Yawer said in an interview at
his palatial home in Baghdad.

Al-Yawer, a former exile, has been a central figure in Iraq's politics
since U.S. officials named him president of the caretaker government
installed in mid-2004. He became one of the current government's two
vice presidents after January's national elections. The other vice
president is a Kurd, Rowsh Nouri Shaways. Another Kurd, Jalal
Talabani, is the country's president, and a Shiite, Ibrahim
al-Jaafari, is prime minister.

Al-Yawer said he was torn over whether to urge his constituents to
vote against the draft or to accept it and focus on mobilizing for
elections to pick a new national assembly in December. But his
bitterness suggested that even moderate and U.S.-friendly Sunnis are
feeling increasingly alienated in their struggle for a place in the
new Iraq.

Dana

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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Iraq's highest-ranking Sunni Muslim Arab criticizes constitution

Too bad, the Sunni's are the ones who terrorized the Shites and the Kurds
while Saddam was in power, and it is the Sunni's who are behind the violence
in Irq now.
What might be best since they do not want to play nice with everyone else,
is to wipe them off the face of the earth.


Johnny Asia

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47 dead in U.S. air strike in Iraq-hospital source


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - At least 47 people died in two U.S.-led air
strikes in the western Iraqi town of Qaim near the Syrian border on
Tuesday, a Qaim hospital official told Reuters.

Mohammed al-Aani said 35 people died in one house and another 12 in a
strike on a second house.

Johnny Asia

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Leverett said. "What we have now is a situation which is the
beginning of a countdown to something that will look like civil war in
Iraq."

For Nathan Brown, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
Iraq's civil war has already begun. "The question is only who is
participating and to what extent," he told AFP.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050830/pl_afp/usiraqconstitution_050830070533

Iraqi constitution dangerously short of US goals: experts
Tue Aug 30, 3:46 AM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Iraq's new draft constitution falls dangerously
short of initial US goals and will likely fuel an increase in violence
in the war-battered country, American analysts said.

"It's not a good path we are on right now," said Flynt Leverett, of
the Brookings Institution think tank here. "You have a situation now
in which one or two things will happen, and both of them are bad."

Leverett said. "What we have now is a situation which is the
beginning of a countdown to something that will look like civil war in
Iraq."

For Nathan Brown, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
Iraq's civil war has already begun. "The question is only who is
participating and to what extent," he told AFP.


He said Sunni leaders with likely ties to the insurgency "will
probably feel vindicated, so in that sense, an approval of the
constitution could aggravate the situation."

Leverett agreed that moves by Shiites and Kurds to ram through the
draft constitution could stiffen the Sunnis and make the situation
even more volatile.

"At that point, if anything, it gives a kind of political context for
the insurgency, even more than the insurgency has now because then the
insurgents become a kind of Sunni resistance."

Analysts agree the US administration is relatively powerless in this
situation and has little room for maneouvre.

"They don't have a lot of options," Brown said. "It is possible to
reopen constitutional negotiations ... (but) if they were reopened I
am not sure that they would end with a different outcome.

"The other possibility would be simply to put a good face on it, to go
forward with the constitution as is and try to beat the insurgency
militarily," he said.

"But that in the past has not succeeded yet and I am not sure it will
be more successful in the future."

Johnny Asia

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Gunmen kill oil security official in Iraq


KIRKUK, Iraq (Reuters) - Gunmen have killed a security official in
Iraq's North Oil Company and a companion traveling with him in a car,
a police source said on Tuesday.

The killing on Monday night appeared to be part of a campaign to
undermine Iraq's oil industry, the biggest source of income for the
U.S.-backed government.

Johnny Asia

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Mr. Bush, Specialist Young Would Also Like to Speak With You...

U.S. Army Specialist Tomas Young has some questions for George W.
Bush. He's never met with the Commander-in-Chief who sent him into
Sadr City, Iraq in a canvass covered truck...

U.S. Army Specialist Tomas Young has some questions for George W.
Bush. He's never met with the Commander-in-Chief who sent him into
Sadr City, Iraq in a canvass covered truck during a massive uprising
in that city on April 4, 2004. The same city on the same day that
Cindy Sheehan's son Casey was killed.

Tomas was lucky. He was only paralyzed from the chest down. Amongst
other things he'd like to ask of Bush, is why he won't allow funding
for stem cell research which might eventually restore the spine that
he lost in Bush's War. A spine, as Tomas explained to us yesterday on
The BRAD SHOW, which apparently Bush has never had.

Tomas and his new wife Bree came to Crawford from Kansas City on
their honeymoon to "stand" in support of Cindy Sheehan.


http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Bradshow.m3u


http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Bradshow.pls

Rob Olsen

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:47:07 -0400, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:

> 47 dead in U.S. air strike in Iraq-hospital source
>
>
>BAGHDAD (Reuters) - At least 47 people died in two U.S.-led air
>strikes in the western Iraqi town of Qaim near the Syrian border on
>Tuesday, a Qaim hospital official told Reuters.
>

Freedom on the march again?

We're liberating the hell out of these poor people.

--

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

GW Bush 8/5/2004

Chuck Feney

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Aug 30, 2005, 7:50:23 AM8/30/05
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But, "Freedom's on the march."
Or not.

Fredric L. Rice

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Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050828/wl_nm/iraq_reuters_dc


>BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A Reuters Television soundman was shot dead in
>Baghdad on Sunday and a cameraman with him was wounded and then
>detained by U.S. soldiers.

In Utah anyone who took photographs or video of the military attack
against the music concert goers was assaulted if they didn't hand
over their cameras.

It's only one small step before the Bush fascists start shooting
anyone who videotapes them here in the US.

---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
http://www.spaink.net/cos/warhero/

Johnny Asia

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Some 6,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana and Mississippi who
would otherwise be available to help deal with the aftermath of
Hurricane Katrina are in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_washington

FEMA Head: Katrina Was 'Catastrophic' 41 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - President Bush decided to cancel the rest of his
vacation to concentrate on federal relief efforts for victims of
Hurricane Katrina as his top disaster relief official lamented
"catastrophic" damage in three Southern states.


With at least one New Orleans hospital threatened by Katrina's
floodwaters, Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, said that patients were being transferred to the
Superdomer of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and medical
personnel were being sent in to treat them.

Meanwhile, the White House revealed that Bush was returning to
Washington after an appearance in California Tuesday. "We have a lot
of work to do," the president said of the storm damage in Louisiana,
Mississippi and Alabama.

The damage is "very, very sobering," Brown said. "And of course the
flooding is just everywhere ... New Orleans, all through Mississippi
and Alabama. This storm is really having a catastrophic effect," Brown
said on CBS' "The Early Show."


In other storm-related developments:

_The American Red Cross said it had thousands of volunteers
mobilized for the hurricane. It was the "largest single mobilization
that we've done for any single natural disaster," spokesman Bradley
Hague said. The organization set up operational headquarters in Baton
Rouge, La.

maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Some 6,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana and Mississippi who
> would otherwise be available to help deal with the aftermath of
> Hurricane Katrina are in Iraq.
>
>==========================

What about all the ones in Kosovo and Bosnia that Clinton promised would be
home by Christmas in 1998 ?


Cory Bhreckan

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Aug 30, 2005, 1:34:56 PM8/30/05
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How many US personnel killed there Einstein?

Bradley K. Sherman

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Aug 30, 2005, 1:41:25 PM8/30/05
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In article <Ec6dnZ2dnZ3naQOmnZ2dn...@adelphia.com>,

What are you talking about? They're all home (or in Iraq).

--bks

Johnny Asia

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina

Katrina Devastation Called 'Overwhelming'
By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer

GULFPORT, Miss. - Rescuers in boats and helicopters searched for
survivors of Hurricane Katrina and brought victims, wet and
bedraggled, to shelters Tuesday as the extent of the damage across the
Gulf Coast became ever clearer. Mississippi's governor said the death
toll in one county alone could be as high as 80.

"At first light, the devastation is greater than our worst fears. It's
just totally overwhelming," Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the
morning after Katrina howled ashore with winds of 145 mph and engulfed
thousands of homes in one of the most punishing storms on record in
the United States.

In New Orleans, meanwhile, water began rising in the streets Tuesday
morning, apparently because of a break on a levee along a canal
leading to Lake Pontchartrain. New Orleans lies mostly below sea level
and is protected by a network of pumps, canals and levees. Many of the
pumps were not working Tuesday morning.

------------------------------------------------------
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=83210

Here's the Story of a Hurricane

In 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked a major
hurricane strike on New Orleans as "among the three likeliest, most
catastrophic disasters facing this country,"

. Below, the Progress Report presents "How Not to Prepare for a
Massive Hurricane," by President Bush, congressional conservatives,
and their corporate special interest allies.

SLASH SPENDING ON HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS IN NEW ORLEANS: Two months
ago, President Bush took an ax to budget funds that would have helped
New Orleans prepare for such a disaster. The New Orleans branch of the
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers suffered a "record $71.2 million"
reduction in federal funding, a 44.2 percent reduction from its 2001
levels. Reports at the time said that thanks to the cuts, "major


hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local

engineering firms. ... Also, a study to determine ways to protect the
region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now." (Too bad
Louisiana isn't a swing state. In the aftermath of Hurricane Frances
-- and the run-up to the 2004 election -- the Bush administration
awarded $31 million in disaster relief to Florida residents who didn't
even experience hurricane damage.)

DESTROY NATURAL HURRICANE PROTECTIONS: The Gulf Coast wetlands form a
"natural buffer that helps protect New Orleans from storms," slowing
hurricanes down as they approach from sea. When he came into office,
President Bush pledged to uphold the "no net loss" wetland policy his
father initiated. He didn't keep his word. Bush rolled back tough
wetland policies set by the Clinton administration, ordering federal
agencies "to stop protecting as many as 20 million acres of wetlands
and an untold number of waterways nationwide." Last year, four
environmental groups issued a joint report showing that administration
policies had allowed "developers to drain thousands of acres of
wetlands." The result? New Orleans may be in even greater danger:
"Studies show that if the wetlands keep vanishing over the next few
decades, then you won't need a giant storm to devastate New Orleans --
a much weaker, more common kind of hurricane could destroy the city
too."

GUT THE AGENCY TASKED WITH DEVELOPING HURRICANE RESPONSES:
Forward-thinking federal plans with titles like "Issues and Options in
Flood Hazards Management," "Floods: A National Policy Concern," and "A
Framework for Flood Hazards Management" would be particularly valuable
in a time of increasingly intense hurricanes. Unfortunately, the
agency that used to produce them -- the Office of Technology
Assessment (OTA) -- was gutted by Gingrich conservatives several years
ago. As Chris Mooney (who presciently warned of the need to bulk up
hurricane defenses in New Orleans last May) noted yesterday, "If we
ever return to science-based policymaking based on professionalism and
expertise, rather than ideology, an office like OTA would be very
useful in studying how best to save a city like New Orleans -- and how
Congress might consider appropriating money to achieve this end."

SEND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO FIGHT A WAR OF CHOICE: National Guard and
Reserve soldiers are typically on the front lines responding to
disasters like Katrina -- that is, if they're not fighting in Iraq.
Roughly 35 percent of Louisiana's National Guard is currently deployed
in Iraq, where guardsmen and women make up about four of every 10
soldiers. Additionally, "Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees,
refuelers and generators" used by the Louisiana Guard are also tied up
abroad. "The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support
the homeland security mission," Louisiana National Guard Lt. Colonel
Pete Schneider told reporters earlier this month. "Recruitment is down
dramatically, mostly because prospective recruits are worried about
deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan or another country," the AP reported
recently. "I used to be able to get about eight people a month," said
National Guard 1st Sgt. Derick Young, a New Orleans recruiter. "Now,
I'm lucky if I can get one."

HELP FUEL GLOBAL WARMING: Severe weather occurrences like hurricanes
and heat waves already take hundreds of lives and cause millions in
damages each year. As the Progress Report has noted, data increasingly
suggest that human-induced global warming is making these phenomena
more dangerous and extreme than ever. "The hurricane that struck
Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather
Service," science author Ross Gelbspan writes. "Its real name is
global warming." AP reported recently on a Massachusetts Institute of
Technology analysis that shows that "major storms spinning in both the
Atlantic and the Pacific ... have increased in duration and intensity
by about 50 percent" since the 1970s, trends that are "closely linked
to increases in the average temperatures of the ocean surface and also
correspond to increases in global average atmospheric temperatures
during the same period." Yet just last week, as Katrina was gathering
steam and looming over the Gulf, the Bush administration released new
CAFE standards that actually encourage automakers to produce bigger,
less fuel efficient vehicles, while preventing states from taking
strong, progressive action to reverse global warming.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=83210

1872 Dead

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:24:48 -0400, "Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit"

<DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote:

How many of them are dead and maimed?
>
>
>

maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:df25o5$nj3$1...@reader2.panix.com...
> ============================

Another Moron Inbred Stupid Liberal that does not know shit.


September 22, 2003

What Ever Happened To Bosnia?
Remember when President Clinton sent American troops to Bosnia in 1995 and
said they would only be there for one year? Remember when President Bush
campaigned and said we had too many troops deployed in the Balkans? Ask any
(civilian) you see on the street, and most of them don't even know we still
have thousands of troops deployed there.

So, how's the "nation building" going in Bosnia, eight years later? The
American contingent commander in Bosnia, Army Brig. Gen. Ron Mason, was
quoted in an article on the American Forces News Service as saying there is
still much left to do. Mason, commander of the Multinational Brigade (North)
and a National Guardsman from the 35th Infantry Division, said the apparent
stability in Bosnia is superficial. "There are deep-seated feelings here,"
he said. He said there is a commitment to peace, but it is tenuous and could
easily die. "They need to develop the civilian capabilities that would make
this stability continue on its own," Mason said
http://usmilitary.about.com/b/a/028516.htm


1872 Dead

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:28:47 -0400, "Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit"

<DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote:

>
>"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:df25o5$nj3$1...@reader2.panix.com...
>> In article <Ec6dnZ2dnZ3naQOmnZ2dn...@adelphia.com>,
>> Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:k559h191t23p983hp...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >> Some 6,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana and Mississippi who
>> >> would otherwise be available to help deal with the aftermath of
>> >> Hurricane Katrina are in Iraq.
>> >>
>> >>==========================
>> >
>> >What about all the ones in Kosovo and Bosnia that Clinton promised would
>be
>> >home by Christmas in 1998 ?
>>
>> What are you talking about? They're all home (or in Iraq).
>>
>> --bks
>> ============================
>
>Another Moron Inbred Stupid Liberal that does not know shit.

Clinton hasn't been President for almost five years.

If you're so worried about the troops in Bosnia, why aren't you
nagging Putsch to pull them out?

maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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"1872 Dead" <zepp#221118...@nospamzeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
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> >======================

If Radlibs are so upset at US troops " occupying" other countries, why were
those radlib maggots not demanding Clinton pull them out for 5 years ?

Johnny Asia

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With storm surges of up to 20 feet in some areas, huge petro-chemical
plants, gas stations and waste pits have unleashed a toxic cocktail of
chemicals ranging from vinyl chloride to gasoline.

Already nicknamed "Cancer Alley," the polluted area now suffers from
contaminated flood waters of up to 20 feet - which can affect homes,
drinking water and surrounding waterways. In New Orleans, the city's
levee system is now serving only to hold water in the city, creating a
temporary lake of toxic chemicals, gas, oil and storm debris.

Deputy director of the Louisiana State University's Hurricane Center,
Ivor van Heerden, warns, "We're talking about an incredible
environmental disaster… a bowl full of highly contaminated water with
contaminated air flowing around and, literally, very few places for
anybody to go where they'll be safe."

Take Action! Natural disaster or terrorist attack - Tell Congress to
act NOW to prevent more tragedy.
http://usactions.greenpeace.org/action/start.php?action_id=63&ref_source=newsletter20050830

Bradley K. Sherman

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In article <G82dnWFWuKP...@adelphia.com>,

Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote:
>
>"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> What are you talking about? They're all home (or in Iraq).
>
>Another Moron Inbred Stupid Liberal that does not know shit.
>
>
>September 22, 2003

It's 2005 now lame-o.

--bks

1872 Dead

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:40:44 -0400, "Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit"

Well, for one thing, Clinton is not the President. I'm surprised you
didn't know that. It was in all the papers at the time.

For another, America isn't occupying Bosnia. I'm not as surprised
that you didn't know that, because it's pretty clear that your main
source of information is World Nut Daily or Freak Republic or some
such.

Finally, there is the little fact that nearly 2,500 US troops and
mercenaries, along with members of the "coalition of the willing" have
died in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a lot more will die with
nothing to show for it.

Johnny Asia

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"The devastation is greater than our worst fears," Louisiana Gov.
Kathleen Blanco said in a news conference. "It's totally
overwhelming."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050830/ts_nm/weather_katrina_neworleans_dc

Floodwater inundates New Orleans after hurricane
By Erwin Seba


NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The historic city of New Orleans was steadily
filling with water from nearby Lake Ponchartrain on Tuesday after its
defenses were breached by the ferocity of hurricane Katrina.

With the floodwaters rising in many areas, threatening the French
Quarter, residents were plucked from the roofs of their homes, bodies
were seen floating in the streets and rescuers searched the city in
boats and helicopters.

"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some
sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports
are underwater," Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.

New Orleans, a city that usually throbs with the life of its carnivals
and the sound of jazz and blues, was in a "state of devastation,"
Nagin said.

In many residential areas TV pictures showed the water was up to roof
level after the surge caused by Katrina breached a section of the
levee along a canal leading from Lake Ponchartrain, which looms to the
north of the city.

Much of New Orleans, a city of some 500,000, lies in a bowl below sea
level, bounded by the lake and the Mississippi River, North America's
biggest river, which curves along the south of the city before
discharging in the Gulf of Mexico.

"We always were afraid the bowl that is New Orleans would fill
quickly," Walter Maestri, emergency management coordinator for
Jefferson Parish, said in a radio interview. "Now with the water
rising today, it appears to be filling slowly," he said.

"The water is rising so fast I cannot begin to describe how quickly
it's rising," Tulane University Medical Center Vice President Karen
Troyer-Caraway told CNN. "We have whitecaps on Canal Street, the water
is moving so fast."

The downtown hospital was surrounded by 6 feet of water and
considering evacuating its 1,000 patients.

"The devastation is greater than our worst fears," Louisiana Gov.
Kathleen Blanco said in a news conference. "It's totally
overwhelming."

maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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"1872 Dead" <zepp#221118...@nospamzeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
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===========================

For 5 years Clinton put occupying troops in Bosnia and Radlib maggost neevr
screamed for Clinton to bring them home.
Thats why you rast have no credibilty now, and why you keep losing
elections.


maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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Aug 30, 2005, 2:54:14 PM8/30/05
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> ====================

Oh sorry. Guess that excuses Clintons promise in 1995 to bring the troops
home at X mas. 8 years later they were still there, and they still are now
Sphincter brain.


Bradley K. Sherman

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Aug 30, 2005, 3:01:35 PM8/30/05
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In article <nvSdnfR68LX...@adelphia.com>,

Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote:
>
>"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:df29gg$ol9$1...@reader2.panix.com...
>> In article <G82dnWFWuKP...@adelphia.com>,
>> Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >> What are you talking about? They're all home (or in Iraq).
>> >
>> >Another Moron Inbred Stupid Liberal that does not know shit.
>> >
>> >
>> >September 22, 2003
>>
>> It's 2005 now lame-o.
>
>Oh sorry. Guess that excuses Clintons promise in 1995 to bring the troops
>home at X mas. 8 years later they were still there, and they still are now
>

They're all home now, as I said they were. Game, Set, Match.

Why Bush had them in Bosnia in 2003 you'll have to take up
with him.

--bks


1872 Dead

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Aug 30, 2005, 3:55:06 PM8/30/05
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:53:24 -0400, "Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit"

Probably because none of them were getting killed or maimed.

>Thats why you rast have no credibilty now, and why you keep losing
>elections.

I don't hear anyone except you yelling to bring the Bosnian troops
home now, and you're stupid enough to be yelling it at a man who has
been out of office for nearly five years.

So you admit it's Putsch's fault that there are now any troops in
Bosnia?

>

maggots @dc.kerry'smansion.org Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit

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Aug 30, 2005, 4:04:08 PM8/30/05
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"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>=========================

Liar. Liberal liars are so easy to expose. Like shooting fish in a barrel.


http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:n1WdrMEyPZsJ:web.amnesty.org/report2005
/bih-summary-eng+2005++troops+still+in+bosnia+&hl=en


Jeff Welch

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"Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit" <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote
in message news:Ec6dnZ2dnZ3naQOmnZ2dn...@adelphia.com...

> What about all the ones in Kosovo and Bosnia that Clinton promised would
> be
> home by Christmas in 1998 ?

They came home by Christmas in 1998.

End of story.

Duh.

-Jeff


Biffa

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Aug 30, 2005, 4:40:37 PM8/30/05
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"Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit" <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote
in message news:Ec6dnZ2dnZ3naQOmnZ2dn...@adelphia.com...
>
There are No national guards in Kosovo you moron.
Also, there have been no reported causalities among the American troops in
Kosovo.
Not a bad achievement considering they have been there for many more years
than the troops in Bush's failed war.
Also, Clinton's deployment of troops in Kosovo was for purely humanitarian
reasons, which has saved the lives of thousands of civilians and prevented
mass genocide, whereas the rational for Bush's war changes daily as each
reason he uses gets shown to be a lie.
We also have the situation that Bush has been president for nearly 5 years,
and as such had the power to bring these troops home any time if he
disagreed with the reasons they were deployed to Kosovo. Since he has failed
to do so, he obviously agrees with them remaining there. If Bush has no
problem with this, then why the hell are you bringing this up.
If you are attempting to use this as a stick with which to beat Clinton,
then the same stick must be used on Bush.
If you have a problem with the troops being in Kosovo, then you should have
been petitioning Bush for the last 4-5 years, instead of bitching about it
on Usenet.


Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 4:52:17 PM8/30/05
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Rising floodwaters bring huge humanitarian crisis to New Orleans
Tue Aug 30,12:20 PM ET


NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) - Helicopters plucked victims from
roofs and rescuers dodged submerged live power lines and spewing gas
pipes as still rising floodwaters turned New Orleans into a disaster
zone.

Local television reported that as conditions worsened, martial law was
imposed in two areas, Jefferson Parish and Plaquemines Parish, a day
after murderous Hurricane Katrina slammed into the city.

Police were halting anyone trying to get into the city, WWL-TV said.

Authorities said New Orleans, with highways submerged, bridges washed
out and even elevated expressways unsafe, was effectively cut off, and
waters were devouring more and more real estate after a storm surge
breached a levee.

WWL-TV reported, quoting unidentified local officials, that flood
waters were still coursing into the city, and were beginning to
threaten areas in the historic French Quarter and downtown which were
on higher ground.

Another local station, WDSU, warned viewers that the Louisiana
Superdome, which welcomed at least 10,000 evacuees on Monday, was now
surrounded by three feet (one metre) of water.

Evacuees sat tight in the massive sports arena, which itself bore
Katrina's scars after having much of its outer dome ripped off.

Communications with New Orleans were largely cut off and around
700,000 people were without power. Some victims had been stuck on the
roofs of their homes for nearly 24 hours in a spiralling humanitarian
crisis.

Water was unsafe to drink in many areas, if available at all, as the
Red Cross swung a massive relief operation into action to aid a city
metropolitan area population of 1.4 million.

"Our city is in a state of devastation," Mayor Ray Nagin told WWL-TV
"we probably have 80 percent of our city under water."

"With some sections of our city, the water is as deep as 20 feet"
(seven metres).

"It's almost like a nightmare that I hope we wake up from."

Johnny Asia

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On the other hand, more and more scientists estimate that global
warming, while not necessarily making hurricanes more frequent or
likelier to make landfall, is making them more vicious.

Hurricanes derive from clusters of thunderstorms over tropical waters
that are warmer than 27.2 C (81 C).

A key factor in ferocity is the temperature differential between the
sea surface and the air above the storm. The warmer the sea, the
bigger the differential and the bigger the potential to "pump up" the
storm.

Just a tiny increase in surface temperature can have an extraordinary
effect, says researcher Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute
of Technology (MIT).

In a study published in Nature in July, Emanuel found that the
destructive power of North Atlantic storms had doubled over the past
30 years, during which the sea-surface temperature rose by only 0.5 C
(0.9 F).

Emanuel's yardstick is storm duration and windpower: hurricanes lasted
longer and packed higher windspeeds than before.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1540&ncid=1540&e=6&u=/afp/20050830/sc_afp/usweatherscience_050830145550

Brace for more Katrinas, say experts
Tue Aug 30,10:55 AM ET

PARIS (AFP) - For all its numbing ferocity, Hurricane Katrina will not
be a unique event, say scientists, who say that global warming appears
to be pumping up the power of big Atlantic storms.

2005 is on track to be the worst-ever year for hurricanes, according
to experts measuring ocean temperatures and trade winds -- the two big
factors that breed these storms in the Caribbean and tropical North
Atlantic.

Earlier this month, Tropical Storm Risk, a London-based consortium of
experts, predicted that the region would see 22 tropical storms during
the six-month June-November season, the most ever recorded and more
than twice the average annual tally since records began in 1851.

Seven of these storms would strike the United States, of which three
would be hurricanes, it said.

Already, 2004 and 2003 were exceptional years: they marked the highest
two-year totals ever recorded for overall hurricane activity in the
North Atlantic.

This increase has also coincided with a big rise in Earth's surface
temperature in recent years, driven by greenhouse gases that cause the
Sun's heat to be stored in the sea, land and air rather than radiate
back out to space.

But experts are cautious, also noting that hurricane numbers seem to
undergo swings, over decades.

About 90 tropical storms -- a term that includes hurricanes and their
Asian counterparts, typhoons -- occur each year.

The global total seems to be stable, although regional tallies vary a
lot, and in particular seem to be influenced by the El Nino weather
pattern in the Western Pacific.

"(Atlantic) cyclones have been increasing in numbers since 1995, but
one can't say with certainty that there is a link to global warming,"
says Patrick Galois with the French weather service Meteo-France.

"There have been other high-frequency periods for storms, such as in
the 1950s and 60s, and it could be that what we are seeing now is
simply part of a cycle, with highs and lows."

On the other hand, more and more scientists estimate that global
warming, while not necessarily making hurricanes more frequent or
likelier to make landfall, is making them more vicious.

Hurricanes derive from clusters of thunderstorms over tropical waters
that are warmer than 27.2 C (81 C).

A key factor in ferocity is the temperature differential between the
sea surface and the air above the storm. The warmer the sea, the
bigger the differential and the bigger the potential to "pump up" the
storm.

Just a tiny increase in surface temperature can have an extraordinary
effect, says researcher Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute
of Technology (MIT).

In a study published in Nature in July, Emanuel found that the
destructive power of North Atlantic storms had doubled over the past
30 years, during which the sea-surface temperature rose by only 0.5 C
(0.9 F).

Emanuel's yardstick is storm duration and windpower: hurricanes lasted
longer and packed higher windspeeds than before.

Another factor in destructiveness is flooding. Kevin Trenberth of the
US National Center for Atmospheric Research suggests that hurricanes
are dumping more rainfall as warmer seas suck more moisture into the
air, swelling the stormclouds.

The indirect evidence for this is that water vapour over oceans
worldwide has increased by about two percent since 1988. But data is
sketchy for precipitation dropped by recent hurricanes.

"The intensity of and rainfalls from hurricanes are probably
increasing, even if this increase cannot yet be proven with a formal
statistical test," Trenberth wrote in the US journal Science in June.
He said computer models "suggest a shift" toward the extreme in in
hurricane intensities.

Biffa

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"Liberal Democrat Maggot Shit" <DNC maggots @ DC.Kerry's mansion .org> wrote
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Does it also excuse the fact that Bush has been president for nearly 5 years
now and has also failed to bring the troops home from Kosovo.
You truly are a very stupid person.


Johnny Asia

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Situation Deteriorating In Hurricane Aftermath
CBS News - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:37 AM

New Orleans, LA (CBS) - Martial Law has been declared in parts of New
Orleans as conditions continued to deteriorate. Water levels in The
Big Easy and it's suburbs are rising at dangerous levels and officials
stated they don't know where the water is coming from. Residents are
being urged to get out of New Orleans in any way they can as officials
fear "life will be unsustainable" for days or even weeks.

http://www.wben.com/newsroom/fullstory.php?newsid=03633

Non-republicrat Voter

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http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001771.htm

U.S. Army Specialist Tomas Young has some questions for George W. Bush.
He's never met with the Commander-in-Chief who sent him into Sadr City,
Iraq in a canvass covered truck during a massive uprising in that city on
April 4, 2004. The same city on the same day that Cindy Sheehan's son Casey
was killed.

Tomas was lucky. He was only paralyzed from the chest down. Amongst other
things he'd like to ask of Bush, is why he won't allow funding for stem
cell research which might eventually restore the spine that he lost in
Bush's War. A spine, as Tomas explained to us yesterday on The BRAD SHOW,
which apparently Bush has never had.

Tomas and his new wife Bree (also pictured), came to Crawford from Kansas
City on their honeymoon to "stand" in support of Cindy Sheehan.

We now have our interview with Tomas up in the BRAD SHOW "Operation Noble
Cause" Archives shortly, with much more news, sound and the stories of the
people of Camp Casey on today's LIVE BRAD SHOW from Camp Casey beginning at
HIGH NOON in Crawford (1p ET, 12p CT, 11a MT, 10a). We are hoping to
feature several Bush supporters on today's show!

Until then, WhiteRoseSociety.org is looping the previous days BRADcast
throughout the night (live listening links here and here). [Ed: links
are on the website.]

We have now broadcast 42 hours of LIVE coverage from on the ground in
Crawford, Texas in the last seven days, simulcast over at least 7 different
radio networks at various times, including Air America for several hours on
Saturday. All hosted by your friendly citizen blogger, Brad Friedman. We
are the only broadcast "organization" to feature such live daily coverage!

Your DONATIONS continue to be greatly needed and very much appreciated in
order to help make all of this possible!

(Photo courtesy of Alaskagyrl.blogspot.com)

UPDATE: Tomas Young's interview with The BRAD SHOW and other audio
highlights have been added to the Operation Noble Cause archives!

Barbi Satin

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Aug 30, 2005, 6:45:41 PM8/30/05
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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> On the other hand, more and more scientists estimate that global
> warming, while not necessarily making hurricanes more frequent or

>Snip<
If palm trees begin to grow in Alaska soon the right wing loons will
still say there is no global warming problem. The perfect republiscum
solution would be for all true Americans to drive hummers with no smog
control. It would blot out the sun and reverse the warming. Heil Bush!


Johnny Asia

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/30/AR2005083001431.html


Crisis Grows As Flooded New Orleans Looted

By ADAM NOSSITER
The Associated Press
Tuesday, August 30, 2005; 7:24 PM

NEW ORLEANS -- Helicopters dropped sandbags on two broken levees as
the water kept rising in the streets. The governor drew up plans to
evacuate just about everyone left in town. Looters ransacked stores.
Doctors in their scrubs had to use canoes to bring supplies to
blacked-out hospitals.

New Orleans sank deeper into crisis Tuesday, a full day after
Hurricane Katrina hit.


"The looting is out of control. The French Quarter has been attacked,"
Councilwoman Jackie Clarkson said. "We're using exhausted, scarce
police to control looting when they should be used for search and
rescue while we still have people on rooftops."

Frank B.

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:25:41 PM8/30/05
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If Louisiana's governor were not so sensitive she would order the national
guard to shoot looters. But then that would be racist......right?


kw

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:30:48 PM8/30/05
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In article <pG7Re.55611$ja7....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
f...@midsouth.rr.com says...

> If Louisiana's governor were not so sensitive she would order the national
> guard to shoot looters. But then that would be racist......right?

That might cause them to riot and loot.

GW Chimpzilla

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:33:00 PM8/30/05
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Frank B. wrote:

> If Louisiana's governor were not so sensitive she would order the national
> guard to shoot looters. But then that would be racist......right?

The National Guard is in Iraq.

Dana

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"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message

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>
>
> Crisis Grows As Flooded New Orleans Looted

And right here shows the big difference between those on the left and the
right.
No I am not saying those on the right will not loot, and those on the left
will.
I am saying is that regardless of where people stand politically, there are
quite a few people who will resort to looting and other acts against man, if
the situation presents itself.
What happens is those on the left tend to think that man is inherently a
civil person, while those on the right know for a fact that man can be and
will be uncivil towards each other. Those on the left will excuse this
behavior, while those on the right will call for severe punishment against
the looters.


Dana

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"kw" <li...@scum.net> wrote in message
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A dead looter cannot riot or loot. Plus mankind would be better off minus
those who woul loot in a situation like this.


monkeyhawk

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:40:49 PM8/30/05
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"GW Chimpzilla" <g...@hotmail.com> wrote

"They're fighting hurricanes in Iraq so they don't have to fight them here."


PLMerite

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"kw" <li...@scum.net> wrote in message
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Does the Lousiana National Guard have any mini-guns mounted on their
Hummers, I wonder?


Regards, PLMerite

--
"Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil is not overcome by fleeing
from it." - Jeff Cooper

1878 Dead

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:57:27 PM8/30/05
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:25:41 GMT, "Frank B." <f...@midsouth.rr.com>
wrote:

>If Louisiana's governor were not so sensitive she would order the national
>guard to shoot looters. But then that would be racist......right?

Looks like looters aren't the only dirtbags who show up in the wake of
a natural disaster.

Right, Frankie?
>

"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned bitch,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk

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1878 Dead

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Aug 30, 2005, 9:58:11 PM8/30/05
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:33:00 GMT, GW Chimpzilla <g...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Actually, the National Guard is in fucking Iraq, getting their asses
shot off. Louisiana got hit while short 40% of their normal
complement.

•Boink!•

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:06:19 PM8/30/05
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"Dana" <wh...@whoya.com> wrote in message
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Especially in Red States.

•Boink!•

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:07:41 PM8/30/05
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"Dana" <wh...@whoya.com> wrote in message
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Wait until the REAL Looters show up.
The Repub Contractors.
Wait until all those white re-thug-lican contractors and frauds show up to
feed from the trough. It'll make the looters look like Mickey Mouse.

monkeyhawk

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:00:28 PM8/30/05
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"Dana" <wh...@whoya.com> wrote

> And right here shows the big difference between those on the left and the
> right.
> No I am not saying those on the right will not loot, and those on the left
> will.
> I am saying is that regardless of where people stand politically, there
> are
> quite a few people who will resort to looting and other acts against man,
> if
> the situation presents itself.
> What happens is those on the left tend to think that man is inherently a
> civil person, while those on the right know for a fact that man can be and
> will be uncivil towards each other. Those on the left will excuse this
> behavior, while those on the right will call for severe punishment against
> the looters.

Show me any case where "the left" excuses looting.

Your false conclusion damns your premise.

Fact is, the most security-conscious retailer in America (and what is
shoplifting if not subtle "looting") is Wal-Mart, with far more outlets in
Red States than Blue States. People will steal if given the opportunity and
motivation. What was Enron if not massive looting? Since Republicanism is
the is based on the politics of greed, contemporary American conservativism
embodies the looters' mindset of, "it's there, it's available, there'll be
no consequences so I'll steal it," far more than liberalism's controlling
ideal: "We're all in this together."

Liberalism doesn't resent a businessman making an honest profit. But when
the price of gasoline that's already in his tanks rises 30 cents a gallon
the day a hurricane hits and threatens the supply of *future* supplies of
fuel, people begin to realize that profiteering is a conservative trait.
It's happening now in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi, with $3.00
gasoline that was $2.50 before the storm...and it's the *same* gas!

Maybe people will accept the reality that the storm has jacked up the price
of future supplies, but the stuff already in the tanks was bought and paid
for at the wholesale level when Katrina was mustering out in the Atlantic
several weeks ago.

iceman

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:06:49 PM8/30/05
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"PLMerite" <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I can just see all those looters wanting stuff from all those
souvenier shops--bead necklaces, T-shirts--salt and pepper shakers.........

iceman

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"monkeyhawk" <monke...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Wish I'd thought of that..........


Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:08:28 PM8/30/05
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30 August 2005 - AP

National Guard Unit Watches Katrina From Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Members of the Louisiana National Guard's 141st Field
Artillery are on duty in Baghdad, far from family and friends
suffering through Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

Lt. Col. Jordan Jones said he and his fellow soldiers have been
following the events on television and trying desperately to get in
touch with loved ones back home. Jones said some of the troops "have
seen their neighborhoods completely submerged in water."

He added that it's doubly hard since members of the Guard see it as
their duty to serve during times of natural disaster.

A spokeswoman for the unit said some of the soldiers are "having a
hard time" handling the helplessness of the situation.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/4916148/detail.html

Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:08:59 PM8/30/05
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| WORLD | MIDDLE EAST

RIA Novosti: US Offered USD 75 Million to Iraqi Sunnis for Signature
under Constitution

30 August 2005 | 10:44 | FOCUS News Agency


Baghdad. The United States have offered to Sunni representatives USD
75 Million to sign the draft Constitution of Iraq, RIA Novosti
announced, citing information of source close to the Constitutional
Committee of the country, published in the Saudi daily Al Vatan.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=138&newsid=71234

kw

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:17:23 PM8/30/05
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In article <Nh8Re.35$XY7...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Boink!@it.net
says...

> Wait until the REAL Looters show up.
> The Repub Contractors.
> Wait until all those white re-thug-lican contractors and frauds show up to
> feed from the trough. It'll make the looters look like Mickey Mouse.

You leftists use the weakest arguments to defend the animals looting in
NO.

1878 Dead

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:29:05 PM8/30/05
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:07:39 -0700, "iceman" <ice...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Has my vote for best line I'll read this week.

Egbert Sousč

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:34:09 PM8/30/05
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Let's hope they don't show up. That'll make you happy.

Egbert Sousč

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:37:17 PM8/30/05
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Don't you see the strength of their argument? Looters tear down and
Repubs build back up.

Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:38:05 PM8/30/05
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Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:40:09 PM8/30/05
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http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12516733.htm

Posted on Tue, Aug. 30, 2005

U.S. backs away from claims that Cuba has bioweapons program

BY WARREN P. STROBEL

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The Bush administration backed away Tuesday from
claims that Cuba has an offensive biological weapons effort,
acknowledging in a report to Congress that "there is a split view"
among intelligence analysts on the question.

The report says instead that Cuba has the "technical capability" to
pursue biological weapons research and development because of its
advanced pharmaceutical industry. But it leaves open the critical
question of whether it has done so.

The State Department report apparently marks the first time that the
U.S. government has publicly softened its earlier charge, which has
been controversial from the outset.

Then-Undersecretary of State John Bolton had tried to reassign two
intelligence analysts at the State Department and National
Intelligence Council who had challenged Bolton's view that Cuba had
biowar capabilities, according to testimony at Bolton's nomination
hearing to become United Nations ambassador.

Democrats prevented a full Senate vote on Bolton's nomination.
President Bush circumvented lawmakers with a recess appointment on
Aug. 1.

Johnny Asia

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Aug 30, 2005, 10:45:08 PM8/30/05
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:25:41 GMT, "Frank B." <f...@midsouth.rr.com>
wrote:

>If Louisiana's governor were not so sensitive she would order the national
>guard to shoot looters.
>


Nah, there are blonde bimbos out there giving the looters blowjobs
for a bottle of beer.

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