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Tracey12
Apr 26, 2012, 2:33:59 AM4/26/12
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Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
"I don't think anyone can speculate what will happen with respect to
oil prices and gas prices because they are set on the global economy,"
Salazar told reporters when asked if gas prices could reach $9 per
gallon, as they have been in Greece. "Where it will all end, no one
knows.
Full Story:
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/salazar-no-one-knows-if-us-headed-9gal-gas/499451
if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
"I don't think anyone can speculate what will happen with respect to
oil prices and gas prices because they are set on the global economy,"
Salazar told reporters when asked if gas prices could reach $9 per
gallon, as they have been in Greece. "Where it will all end, no one
knows.
Full Story:
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/salazar-no-one-knows-if-us-headed-9gal-gas/499451
Tom Ography
Apr 26, 2012, 11:13:57 AM4/26/12
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"Twaysee Twoll" <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
Twaysee, you useless troll, gas prices are the equivalent of US$8 to $9
per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
The base price of a gallon (or a liter, or any given unit volume) of
gasoline isn't that different in other parts of the world, but tax policies
make a HUGE difference, as do national polices that subsidize prices. If
gas tax in Greece was at the level of a typical U.S. state, prices would
be much closer to prices paid in the U.S.
Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
The base price of a gallon (or a liter, or any given unit volume) of
gasoline isn't that different in other parts of the world, but tax policies
make a HUGE difference, as do national polices that subsidize prices. If
gas tax in Greece was at the level of a typical U.S. state, prices would
be much closer to prices paid in the U.S.
Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
George Kerby
Apr 26, 2012, 12:11:16 PM4/26/12
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Ted Parvo
Apr 26, 2012, 12:44:56 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 10:13 am, "Tom Ography" <c...@sc.an> wrote:
> "Twaysee Twoll" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
who posted it.
Now don't you feel like a silly little boy?
>
> Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
You just got one gratis.
> "Twaysee Twoll" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> > if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> > acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> Twaysee, you useless troll, gas prices are the equivalent of US$8 to $9
> per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
Your beef is with the guy who made the claim, Tommy Boy, not the guy
> news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> > if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> > acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> Twaysee, you useless troll, gas prices are the equivalent of US$8 to $9
> per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
who posted it.
Now don't you feel like a silly little boy?
>
> Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
Alan Ferris
Apr 26, 2012, 12:53:30 PM4/26/12
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
<tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
>if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
>acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
And nobody knows if the price of gasoline will reach $11 either.....so
<tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
>if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
>acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
what is the point of all this?
--
Ferrit
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Robert Westergrom
Apr 26, 2012, 1:41:49 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 11:53 am, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> >if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> >acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> And nobody knows if the price of gasoline will reach $11 either.....so
> what is the point of all this?
>
Here. Let me help. When Obama took office the price of gas was 1/2
> >Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> >if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> >acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> And nobody knows if the price of gasoline will reach $11 either.....so
> what is the point of all this?
>
what it is today. He and his boy Chu' want the price of American gas
to be at european levels,at least,not because he can't do anything to
prevent that from happening but because they BOTH want to destroy the
American economy,capitalism,BIG OIL and the middle class. Hope that
helps son.
Robert Westergrom
Apr 26, 2012, 1:47:45 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 12:17 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
>
> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
Why do you say that? Because your fellow progressives have trained you
to believe that?
http://www.examiner.com/article/wikileaks-docs-prove-there-were-wmd-iraq
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88790029
Senate Vote to Authorize War Shadows Clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
An authorization by Congress was sought by President George W. Bush
soon after his September 12, 2002, statement before the U.N. General
Assembly asking for quick action by the Security Council in enforcing
the resolutions against Iraq.[4][5]
Of the legislation introduced by Congress in response to President
Bush's requests,[6] S.J.Res. 45 sponsored by Sen. Daschle & Sen. Lott
was based on the original White House proposal authorizing the use of
force in Iraq, H.J.Res. 114 sponsored by Rep. Hastert & Rep. Gephardt
and the substantially similar S.J.Res. 46 sponsored by Sen. Lieberman
were modified proposals. H.J.Res. 110 sponsored by Rep. Hastings was a
separate proposal never considered on the floor. Eventually, the
Hastert-Gephardt proposal became the legislation Congress focused on.
Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002, in conjunction with the
Administration's proposals,[2][7] H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of
Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10,
2002, by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight
early Friday morning, at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002, by a vote
of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President
Bush on October 16, 2002.
United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0
TOTALS 297 133 0 3
126 (61%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted against the
resolution.
6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the
resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY),
Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).
The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep.
Sanders (I-VT)
Reps. Ortiz (D-TX), Roukema (R-NJ), and Stump (R-AZ) did not vote on
the resolution.
United States Senate
Party Ayes Nays No Vote
Republican 48 1 0
Democratic 29 21 0
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 77 23 0
21 (42%) of 50 Democratic senators voted against the resolution: Sens.
Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-
ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI),
Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-
MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD),
Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR).
1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen.
Chafee (R-RI).
The only Independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen.
Jeffords (I-VT)
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
>
> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
Why do you say that? Because your fellow progressives have trained you
to believe that?
http://www.examiner.com/article/wikileaks-docs-prove-there-were-wmd-iraq
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88790029
Senate Vote to Authorize War Shadows Clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
An authorization by Congress was sought by President George W. Bush
soon after his September 12, 2002, statement before the U.N. General
Assembly asking for quick action by the Security Council in enforcing
the resolutions against Iraq.[4][5]
Of the legislation introduced by Congress in response to President
Bush's requests,[6] S.J.Res. 45 sponsored by Sen. Daschle & Sen. Lott
was based on the original White House proposal authorizing the use of
force in Iraq, H.J.Res. 114 sponsored by Rep. Hastert & Rep. Gephardt
and the substantially similar S.J.Res. 46 sponsored by Sen. Lieberman
were modified proposals. H.J.Res. 110 sponsored by Rep. Hastings was a
separate proposal never considered on the floor. Eventually, the
Hastert-Gephardt proposal became the legislation Congress focused on.
Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002, in conjunction with the
Administration's proposals,[2][7] H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of
Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10,
2002, by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight
early Friday morning, at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002, by a vote
of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President
Bush on October 16, 2002.
United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0
TOTALS 297 133 0 3
126 (61%) of 208 Democratic Representatives voted against the
resolution.
6 (<3%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the
resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY),
Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).
The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep.
Sanders (I-VT)
Reps. Ortiz (D-TX), Roukema (R-NJ), and Stump (R-AZ) did not vote on
the resolution.
United States Senate
Party Ayes Nays No Vote
Republican 48 1 0
Democratic 29 21 0
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 77 23 0
21 (42%) of 50 Democratic senators voted against the resolution: Sens.
Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-
ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI),
Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-
MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD),
Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR).
1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen.
Chafee (R-RI).
The only Independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen.
Jeffords (I-VT)
Alan Ferris
Apr 26, 2012, 2:02:00 PM4/26/12
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shouting then? Why not, is it just because of the price now or
because of who is president?
Robert Westergrom
Apr 26, 2012, 2:17:37 PM4/26/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush was POTUS you
leftists screamed to high heaven that it was simply because Bush was a
former "oil man" and he and that other EVILLLLLLLL oil man Cheney were
making gas prices increase to make $BILLIONS for BIG OIL and
Halliburton. Have you suffered a blow to the head recently? Off your
meds or simply a bald faced liar?
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/03/04/in-pictures-bush-vs-obama-on-gas-prices/
Yes, the price of gasoline reached historic levels, rising above $4/
gallon during Bush’s second term, but that wasn’t due to a lack of
trying to increase domestic supply. U.S. domestic supply is but one
factor in the global price of oil, and thus gas prices. But when a
president purposefully chooses to decrease our domestic supply by 13%,
with hopes of driving that supply even lower, and objects to U.S.-
Canadian pipelines and new forms of exploration, discovery and
friendly importation, the price consequences are real, and should be
scrutinized.
During the first twenty-six months of President Bush’s first term in
office, the price of gasoline increased by 7%. At the end of his
second term, the price had decreased by 9% from the time he took
office (adjusted for inflation). During the first twenty-six months of
Obama’s term in office, the price of gasoline has spiked over 67% with
no relief in site.
President Bush’s response to $4/gallon gasoline was to lift
presidential and congressional moratoriums on expanded drilling in the
Outer Continental Shelf, a move that many critics say came too late.
But what about Obama?
Some on the right have criticized Obama for having no energy policy.
This is wrong. Obama’s energy policy is working exactly the way it is
designed. This administration knows that unless the price of fossil
fuels skyrocket, expensive alternative energy sources, no matter how
heavily subsidized, will continue to be unattractive to American
consumers.
Obviously, this risky desire to have high gas prices is a punitive
policy that foolishly ignores how Americans use petroleum. While oil
is largely a transportation fuel, solar and wind can only contribute
to our electricity demands. Oil accounts for less than 1% of our
electricity demand.
The liberal fascination with developing expensive vehicles that run
on electricity doesn’t change that: 1) Solar or wind powered vehicles
don’t commercially exist; 2) The cars that do run on electricity, or
even battery-powered hybrids still require gas; and 3) the high cost
of the alternatively fueled vehicles makes them largely insignificant
in the auto market and cost-prohibitive to the average consumer.
Alan Ferris
Apr 26, 2012, 2:51:30 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
No I did not.
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
Dacato
Apr 26, 2012, 3:06:36 PM4/26/12
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Gas prices in Canada (where something like 40% of our oil comes from)
are higher than they are here. Are you going to blame that on Obama
too? Get a clue asswipe.
Robert Westergrom
Apr 26, 2012, 6:24:03 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> No I did not.
>
> --
> Ferrit
>
> ()'.'.'()
> ( (T) )
> ( ) . ( )
> (")_(")
Well hell,it's already common knowledge that #1 you're not an American
> >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> No I did not.
>
> --
> Ferrit
>
> ()'.'.'()
> ( (T) )
> ( ) . ( )
> (")_(")
#2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
Robert Westergrom
Apr 26, 2012, 6:29:33 PM4/26/12
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NOTHING !!! Hell,he's still blaming all his failures on GW Bush,Dick
Cheney,Halliburton,BIG OIL,Blackwater,tsunami's,bad
weather,earthquakes,Republicans and low testosterone. Stupid
OboBobbleheaded motherfucker..
Alan Ferris
Apr 26, 2012, 6:44:07 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:24:03 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>>
>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>>
>> No I did not.
>
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>>
>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>>
>> No I did not.
>
>Well hell,it's already common knowledge that #1 you're not an American
>#2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
Well thank you for confirming that Americans are stupid.
>#2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laj0C0CRnrA&feature=related
Al
Apr 26, 2012, 8:01:20 PM4/26/12
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In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c...@4ax.com>,
well.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
well.
Patrick
Apr 26, 2012, 8:09:11 PM4/26/12
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"Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:albert.finney000-3B...@news.giganews.com...
Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
who passed a resolution.
news:albert.finney000-3B...@news.giganews.com...
who passed a resolution.
Alan Ferris
Apr 26, 2012, 8:24:44 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
wrote:
But we all knew Blair was a liar.
That is why he had such a hard time over it.
wrote:
That is why he had such a hard time over it.
Al
Apr 26, 2012, 8:33:43 PM4/26/12
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In article <Wo6dna0xsec7fgTS...@posted.localnet>,
Not to mention Saddam, who wanted everyone to believe he had WMD.
But that's sooooo complex, the left needs it real simple and a boogeyman to
rally the faithful.
But that's sooooo complex, the left needs it real simple and a boogeyman to
rally the faithful.
Message has been deleted
Al
Apr 26, 2012, 10:32:10 PM4/26/12
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In article <appjp7dqa34cq61mv...@4ax.com>,
But Bush takes the weight, as any man of history does.
> That is why he had such a hard time over it.
History will show that Bush tried a different tact to answer a long-term
problem, and he did succeed, close to 50 million people were to some degree
"liberated" to pursue what they can of a modern government of representation.
But they don't have enough liberals in Islam, and the western liberal is
allied with conservative islam in the common enemy meme.
And that pesky issue about democracy being against their religion.
Tough nut to crack, for the west, but the hammer will fall first in Europe,
as always, given the foolish multicultural experiment.
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >>
> >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> "tons of WMD"
> >
> >
> >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> >well.
>
> But we all knew Blair was a liar.
Apparently, everyone was, and is.
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >>
> >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> "tons of WMD"
> >
> >
> >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> >well.
>
> But we all knew Blair was a liar.
But Bush takes the weight, as any man of history does.
> That is why he had such a hard time over it.
problem, and he did succeed, close to 50 million people were to some degree
"liberated" to pursue what they can of a modern government of representation.
But they don't have enough liberals in Islam, and the western liberal is
allied with conservative islam in the common enemy meme.
And that pesky issue about democracy being against their religion.
Tough nut to crack, for the west, but the hammer will fall first in Europe,
as always, given the foolish multicultural experiment.
Harold Burton
Apr 26, 2012, 10:37:33 PM4/26/12
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In article <9vt71m...@mid.individual.net>, "Tom Ography" <c...@sc.an>
wrote:
Was that the song you sung during the Bush administration? Love the
hypocrisy of leftards.
> Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
Indeed.
snicker
wrote:
hypocrisy of leftards.
> Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
snicker
Harold Burton
Apr 26, 2012, 10:38:42 PM4/26/12
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In article <albert.finney000-3B...@news.giganews.com>,
Don't confuse idiot leftards with inconvenient facts.
snicker
snicker
Harold Burton
Apr 26, 2012, 10:39:56 PM4/26/12
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In article <appjp7dqa34cq61mv...@4ax.com>,
snicker
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >>
> >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> "tons of WMD"
> >
> >
> >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> >well.
>
> But we all knew Blair was a liar.
Just like we know you're a liar. And Obumbya.
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >>
> >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> "tons of WMD"
> >
> >
> >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> >well.
>
> But we all knew Blair was a liar.
snicker
Al
Apr 26, 2012, 10:46:42 PM4/26/12
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In article <dennism3-ya0240800...@news.datemas.de>,
> Republicans if they hadn't.
What made the Democrats warn of us Saddam's "imminent threat" for so many
years when Bush was a Governor?
Republicans?
Really?
So, why would you vote for anyone so easily cowed?
> Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
> neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
Think real hard now, this is complex...
Why did the democrats vote for GW2 in greater numbers than they did for GW1?
Because for years they said the same thing Bush did, but were even more
strident, that's why.
So when rhetoric acme to action of vote, they either voted on their
conscience and belief in their OWN WORDS, or they voted because they had
backed themselves into a corner by lying just like Bush, and a no vote would
be politically inconvenient.
it's one or the other and either way, they lose. They are weasels.
When the Mosque was bombed and the revolution began, the democrats trampled
each other in the rush to declare "this war is lost", when our people were
there, fighting.
Scumbags.
denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M) wrote:
> In article <Wo6dna0xsec7fgTS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"
> <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> In article <Wo6dna0xsec7fgTS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"
> <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> >Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
> >who passed a resolution.
>
> Pretty much blackmailed into it with threats of being called "traitors" by
> >who passed a resolution.
>
> Republicans if they hadn't.
What made the Democrats warn of us Saddam's "imminent threat" for so many
years when Bush was a Governor?
Republicans?
Really?
So, why would you vote for anyone so easily cowed?
> Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
> neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
Think real hard now, this is complex...
Why did the democrats vote for GW2 in greater numbers than they did for GW1?
Because for years they said the same thing Bush did, but were even more
strident, that's why.
So when rhetoric acme to action of vote, they either voted on their
conscience and belief in their OWN WORDS, or they voted because they had
backed themselves into a corner by lying just like Bush, and a no vote would
be politically inconvenient.
it's one or the other and either way, they lose. They are weasels.
When the Mosque was bombed and the revolution began, the democrats trampled
each other in the rush to declare "this war is lost", when our people were
there, fighting.
Scumbags.
Al
Apr 26, 2012, 11:00:22 PM4/26/12
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In article <hal.i.burton-EDFC...@news.newsguy.com>,
But it's so easy, maybe it's a form of abuse. Maybe I should feel ashamed.
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bill clinton
Apr 27, 2012, 12:13:05 AM4/27/12
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Tracey12
Apr 27, 2012, 4:59:01 AM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 12:41 pm, Robert Westergrom <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here. Let me help. When Obama took office the price of gas was 1/2
> what it is today. He and his boy Chu' want the price of American gas
> to be at european levels,at least,not because he can't do anything to
> prevent that from happening but because they BOTH want to destroy the
> American economy,capitalism,BIG OIL and the middle class. Hope that
> helps son.
\\
> Here. Let me help. When Obama took office the price of gas was 1/2
> what it is today. He and his boy Chu' want the price of American gas
> to be at european levels,at least,not because he can't do anything to
> prevent that from happening but because they BOTH want to destroy the
> American economy,capitalism,BIG OIL and the middle class. Hope that
> helps son.
Its great to see other people coming to the same conclusion I have.
Alan Ferris
Apr 27, 2012, 5:28:16 AM4/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:06:18 -0500, denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis
M) wrote:
>Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
>neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
>
>The only reason the US didn't get humiliated is because Bush and the
M) wrote:
>Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
>neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
>
>neocons ran up trillions of debt for it, hiring private corporations to
>fight it and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens
>(which you never saw in the lapdog US media) along the way.
Rumsfeld 'offered help to Saddam'
Declassified papers leave the White House hawk exposed over his role
during the Iran-Iraq war
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics
Alan Ferris
Apr 27, 2012, 5:31:10 AM4/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:18:57 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
>Wilson had already debunked "yellow cake"
So had every other intelligence service, only America and Britain
pushed it forward knowing it was based on false evidence.
A year before Bush used it as evidence the CIA had rejected the
documents as unreliable.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Yellowcake_forgery
>
>Wilson had already debunked "yellow cake"
So had every other intelligence service, only America and Britain
pushed it forward knowing it was based on false evidence.
A year before Bush used it as evidence the CIA had rejected the
documents as unreliable.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Yellowcake_forgery
Alan Ferris
Apr 27, 2012, 5:36:50 AM4/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:32:10 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
What multicultural experiment? We have always been multicultural,
going back to before even the Romans arrived. Muslims have been
living in Europe since the 700AD and their population has always been
growing.
They currently have the largest conversion rate of any religion. Over
100,000 converted in the UK last year.
The problem is that you probably see the press about the groups that
oppose multiculturalism. This is not the reality of life here.
Just as I do not think that your schools are constantly at war, but
that is the impression the press gives about your country.
going back to before even the Romans arrived. Muslims have been
living in Europe since the 700AD and their population has always been
growing.
They currently have the largest conversion rate of any religion. Over
100,000 converted in the UK last year.
The problem is that you probably see the press about the groups that
oppose multiculturalism. This is not the reality of life here.
Just as I do not think that your schools are constantly at war, but
that is the impression the press gives about your country.
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:07:55 AM4/27/12
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sleep with teenyboppers.
Paul
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:14:25 AM4/27/12
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Tracey realizes he can't deliver the $5 a gallon gas by Memorial Day
he previously promised, so he has to update his forecast.
Yet he does so still not getting a promise in return from the
Republicans to lower something else--the age of consent to 12.
Paul
he previously promised, so he has to update his forecast.
Yet he does so still not getting a promise in return from the
Republicans to lower something else--the age of consent to 12.
Paul
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:16:31 AM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 12:44 pm, Ted Parvo <parvo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 10:13 am, "Tom Ography" <c...@sc.an> wrote:
>
> > "Twaysee Twoll" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> who posted it.
>
> Now don't you feel like a silly little boy?
> On Apr 26, 10:13 am, "Tom Ography" <c...@sc.an> wrote:
>
> > "Twaysee Twoll" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:bad6bad5-4c7d-4512...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> > > if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> > > acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> > > if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> > > acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> > Twaysee, you useless troll, gas prices are the equivalent of US$8 to $9
> > per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
>
> Your beef is with the guy who made the claim, Tommy Boy, not the guy
> > per gallon in much of the EU because of TAX POLICY, you ignorant moron!
>
> who posted it.
>
> Now don't you feel like a silly little boy?
>
>
>
> > Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
>
> You just got one gratis...the ONLY thing Republicans will EVER give you free.
>
>
> > Now go out and rent a clue, troll.
>
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:10:52 AM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 10:32 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <appjp7dqa34cq61mvi3hgo0s4hmtuki...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c2qh1ud2moaog89...@4ax.com>,
better.
Paul
Oh, and while jacking off in one's pants describes that for Al, it
ain't gonna work for me.
> In article <appjp7dqa34cq61mvi3hgo0s4hmtuki...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:01:20 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c2qh1ud2moaog89...@4ax.com>,
> > > Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> > >> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> > >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> "tons of WMD"
>
> > >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> > >well.
>
> > But we all knew Blair was a liar.
>
> Apparently, everyone was, and is.
>
> But Bush takes the weight, as any man of history does.
>
> > That is why he had such a hard time over it.
>
> History will show that Bush tried a different tact to answer a long-term
> problem, and he did succeed, close to 50 million people were to some degree
> "liberated" to pursue what they can of a modern government of representation.
>
The trick is, of course, to pretend it makes MY life the tiniest bit
>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> > >> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> > >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> "tons of WMD"
>
> > >The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> > >well.
>
> > But we all knew Blair was a liar.
>
> Apparently, everyone was, and is.
>
> But Bush takes the weight, as any man of history does.
>
> > That is why he had such a hard time over it.
>
> History will show that Bush tried a different tact to answer a long-term
> problem, and he did succeed, close to 50 million people were to some degree
> "liberated" to pursue what they can of a modern government of representation.
>
better.
Paul
Oh, and while jacking off in one's pants describes that for Al, it
ain't gonna work for me.
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:15:57 AM4/27/12
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But George WILL wait 53 YEARS for a Republican to lower gas prices...
Paul
Paul
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:20:18 AM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 6:24 pm, Robert Westergrom <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> > <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> > No I did not.
> #2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
#4 Robert assumes a Republican will bring back $1 gas, so he can
easily fill up his pickup and SUV...which he never uses for their
capacities (at least other than by driving them around town, everyone
assumes he has a sizable penis).
Paul
> On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> > <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> > No I did not.
>
> > --
> > Ferrit
>
> > ()'.'.'()
> > ( (T) )
> > ( ) . ( )
> > (")_(")
>
> Well hell,it's already common knowledge that #1 you're not an American
> > --
> > Ferrit
>
> > ()'.'.'()
> > ( (T) )
> > ( ) . ( )
> > (")_(")
>
> #2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
#4 Robert assumes a Republican will bring back $1 gas, so he can
easily fill up his pickup and SUV...which he never uses for their
capacities (at least other than by driving them around town, everyone
assumes he has a sizable penis).
Paul
Paul Duca
Apr 27, 2012, 7:22:23 AM4/27/12
to
On Apr 26, 8:33 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <Wo6dna0xsec7fgTSnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@posted.localnet>,
>
>
>
> "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "Al" <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:albert.finney000-3B...@news.giganews.com...
> > > In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c2qh1ud2moaog89...@4ax.com>,
> and have good feelings when told how wise Republican men will solve this difficult problem.
> In article <Wo6dna0xsec7fgTSnZ2dnUVZ_umdn...@posted.localnet>,
>
>
>
> "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > "Al" <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:albert.finney000-3B...@news.giganews.com...
> > > In article <bo0jp7lvpbdef1q9c2qh1ud2moaog89...@4ax.com>,
> > > Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> > >> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> > >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> "tons of WMD"
>
> > > The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> > > well.
>
> > Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
> > who passed a resolution.
>
> Not to mention Saddam, who wanted everyone to believe he had WMD.
>
> But I've been told that's sooooo complex, so I can feel smarter than I really am
>
> > >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> > >> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> > >> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> "tons of WMD"
>
> > > The British, Egyptians, the UN, the Italians and the Germans managed to as
> > > well.
>
> > Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
> > who passed a resolution.
>
> Not to mention Saddam, who wanted everyone to believe he had WMD.
>
> and have good feelings when told how wise Republican men will solve this difficult problem.
Patrick
Apr 27, 2012, 12:28:13 PM4/27/12
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"Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote
> Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
> neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
Thank you.
> Nobody in their right mind believes Bush and the neocons and Bush and the
> neocons alone don't own the Iraq war farce.
Patrick
Apr 27, 2012, 12:31:43 PM4/27/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
news:h77kp7tinr0ssr480...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:09:11 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
>>who passed a resolution.
>
> Christ, you fuckwits are stupid
> wrote:
>
>>Along with the clintoons, albore, and the democratic house
>>who passed a resolution.
>
> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
> 2003
Lets look at Jan 2004:
In defense of GW Bush:
>>> Things that make you think a little:
>>>
>>> There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
>>> In the fair city of Detroit t here were 35 murders in the
>>> Month of January. That' s just one American city,
>>> About as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq
>>> When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
>>> Have started this war, state the following:
>
>>> A. FDR led us into World War II.
>>> B. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
>>> >From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ..
>>> An average of 112,500 per year.
>>> C. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
>>> North Korea never attacked us .
>>> >From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
>>> An average of 18,334 per year.
>>> D. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
>>> Vietnam never attackd us .
>>>
>>> E. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>>> >From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
>>> An average of 5,800 per year.
>>>
>>> F. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
>>> Bosnia never attacked us .
>>> He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
>>> Times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
>>> Multiple occasions.
>>>
>>> G. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
>>> Has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
>>> Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea
>>>without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
>>> Slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
>>> The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking
>>> But It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
>>> To take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
>>> We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
>>> In Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to < B> find
>>> The Rose Law Firm billing records.
>>> It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
>>> destroy the Medina Republican Guard Than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
>>> police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick
>>> It took less time to take Iraq than it took To count the votes in
>>> Florida!!!!
>>> Our Commander-In- Chief is doing a HARD JOB!
>>> The Military morale is high!
>>> The biased media hopes we are too ignorant To realize the facts
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 27, 2012, 3:08:01 PM4/27/12
to
In article
<8119e216-e9a0-47ba...@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
So -- is it any of your damn business *WHAT* he does with his
money/vehicles?
The problem with "Progressives" is that they want to tell everyone how
to live their lives.
<8119e216-e9a0-47ba...@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
money/vehicles?
The problem with "Progressives" is that they want to tell everyone how
to live their lives.
Too_Many_Tools
Apr 27, 2012, 3:35:48 PM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 12:17 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
>
> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
Being a drunken cokehead helped.
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
>
> <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
> Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> "tons of WMD"
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
Apr 27, 2012, 3:34:18 PM4/27/12
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On Apr 26, 1:33 am, Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said that "no one knows"
> if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> if gasoline prices in the United States will reach $9 per gallon, and
> acknowledged that the possibility is outside his control.
>
> "I don't think anyone can speculate what will happen with respect to
> oil prices and gas prices because they are set on the global economy,"
> Salazar told reporters when asked if gas prices could reach $9 per
> gallon, as they have been in Greece. "Where it will all end, no one
> knows.
>
> Full Story:http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential...
$10 gas would get the US off their butt and make change happen.
> oil prices and gas prices because they are set on the global economy,"
> Salazar told reporters when asked if gas prices could reach $9 per
> gallon, as they have been in Greece. "Where it will all end, no one
> knows.
>
> Full Story:http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential...
TMT
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Patrick
Apr 27, 2012, 8:15:53 PM4/27/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
news:mk3mp751bm116fqmq...@4ax.com...
> existed?
>
> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
Then why did you allow it?
news:mk3mp751bm116fqmq...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
>>> 2003
>>
>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
> A year after it was proven that NO justification for attacking Iraq
> wrote:
>
>>> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
>>> 2003
>>
>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
> existed?
>
> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
Then why did you allow it?
Patrick
Apr 27, 2012, 8:19:49 PM4/27/12
to
<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
news:mk3mp751bm116fqmq...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
>>> 2003
>>
>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
>>> 2003
>>
>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
> A year after it was proven that NO justification for attacking Iraq
> existed?
>
> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
4/25/2005..................
> existed?
>
> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA's top weapons inspector in Iraq said
Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has "gone as far as
feasible" and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported
programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
"After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the
WMD-related detainees has been exhausted," wrote Charles Duelfer, head of
the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last
fall.
"As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible."
In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at
an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators,
weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda
conclude a roughly 1,500-page report released last fall.
On Monday, Duelfer said there is no purpose in keeping many of the detainees
who are in custody because of their knowledge on Iraq's weapons, although he
did not provide any details about the current number. A U.S. official, who
spoke on condition of anonymity, said the ultimate decision on their release
will be made by the Iraqi authorities.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/cias-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/
George Kerby
Apr 27, 2012, 8:40:17 PM4/27/12
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On 4/27/12 2:34 PM, in article
64683572-6f86-4ac6...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com,
Bring it on, LibTards. You will be buried - forever!!!
Message has been deleted
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 27, 2012, 11:09:44 PM4/27/12
to
In article
<64683572-6f86-4ac6...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Yes -- the first change would be to put the eco-Nazis in their deserved
place! That includes the whole set of self-styled "Progressives."
<64683572-6f86-4ac6...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
place! That includes the whole set of self-styled "Progressives."
duke
Apr 28, 2012, 8:04:48 AM4/28/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:31 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
><ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
>"tons of WMD"
Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
><ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
>
>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
>"tons of WMD"
duke, American - American
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sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
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Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:53:39 AM4/28/12
to
On Apr 27, 3:08 pm, Orval Fairbairn <orfairba...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8119e216-e9a0-47ba-9199-0c5f56178...@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
enhancement surgery.
Paul
> In article
> <8119e216-e9a0-47ba-9199-0c5f56178...@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> Paul Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 6:24 pm, Robert Westergrom <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> > > > <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> > > > No I did not.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Ferrit
>
> > > > ()'.'.'()
> > > > ( (T) )
> > > > ( ) . ( )
> > > > (")_(")
>
> > > Well hell,it's already common knowledge that #1 you're not an American
> > > #2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
>
> > #4 Robert assumes a Republican will bring back $1 gas, so he can
> > easily fill up his pickup and SUV...which he never uses for their
> > capacities (at least other than by driving them around town, everyone
> > assumes he has a sizable penis).
>
> > Paul
Sounds like Orval can't afford the vehicle, fuel, or even penile
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 6:24 pm, Robert Westergrom <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 26, 1:51 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT), Robert Westergrom
>
> > > > <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >Every time the price of gas increased a penny while Bush
>
> > > > No I did not.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Ferrit
>
> > > > ()'.'.'()
> > > > ( (T) )
> > > > ( ) . ( )
> > > > (")_(")
>
> > > Well hell,it's already common knowledge that #1 you're not an American
> > > #2 You're a bald faced liar #3 You probably haven't reached puberty.
>
> > #4 Robert assumes a Republican will bring back $1 gas, so he can
> > easily fill up his pickup and SUV...which he never uses for their
> > capacities (at least other than by driving them around town, everyone
> > assumes he has a sizable penis).
>
> > Paul
enhancement surgery.
Paul
Al
Apr 28, 2012, 9:57:41 AM4/28/12
to
In article <g6nnp71tbbl1lal6a...@4ax.com>,
poor memories.
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:31 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> ><ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >
> >Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >"tons of WMD"
>
> Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
Time to break out the long list of alarmist quotes again, libruls have such
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:17:31 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:16 -0500, George Kerby
> ><ghost_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM>
> >
> >Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >"tons of WMD"
>
> Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
poor memories.
Paul Duca (tomservo56954@comcast.net)
Apr 28, 2012, 9:57:47 AM4/28/12
to
non-acolytes ON their butts.
Paul
Al
Apr 28, 2012, 10:15:11 AM4/28/12
to
In article <ohrnp7l4joerjik6k...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:04:48 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >>"tons of WMD"
> >
> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
>
> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
They were fed the same intel that had existed, which was a Majority View.
Generally, a Majority View of the combined intel agencies id the dominant
assessment.
There was no need for intel on the other Articles of war, they were obvious.
Even the UNSC was in rare unanimous agreement.
>
> The issue is "what did bush and the majority do after Feb. 2003"--when
> they found that NONE of the excuses used to get the vote to authorize
> were still valid.
Of the 22 or so Articles of War, only a few dealt directly with WMD. In most
of those, actual events, not intel or projections, were cited.
The meme that all the articles of war were false is a lie.
The left really doesn't care about any of it, of course.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 07:04:48 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >>"tons of WMD"
> >
> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
>
They were fed the same intel that had existed, which was a Majority View.
Generally, a Majority View of the combined intel agencies id the dominant
assessment.
There was no need for intel on the other Articles of war, they were obvious.
Even the UNSC was in rare unanimous agreement.
>
> The issue is "what did bush and the majority do after Feb. 2003"--when
> they found that NONE of the excuses used to get the vote to authorize
> were still valid.
Of the 22 or so Articles of War, only a few dealt directly with WMD. In most
of those, actual events, not intel or projections, were cited.
The meme that all the articles of war were false is a lie.
The left really doesn't care about any of it, of course.
Ramon F. Herrera
Apr 28, 2012, 10:24:57 AM4/28/12
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Cheery picking much?
You may want to check my arithmetic.
(60 x 60 x 24 x 365.25 x 4) - 53
-RFH
ps: Cuatro Años Más!!!
George Kerby
Apr 28, 2012, 10:45:55 AM4/28/12
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On 4/28/12 9:24 AM, in article
93644682-5f4a-4e0d...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> Cheery picking much?
>
> You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
Why?
>
> Cheery picking much?
>
> You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
Your spelling is bad enough.
The MIT alumni would be glad that you are "repping" them so well...
Ramon F. Herrera
Apr 28, 2012, 10:54:30 AM4/28/12
to
> 93644682-5f4a-4e0d-90cf-713a32144...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
Capacity: 8" sign and there were 8 people in it. Still, a student
stepped in. He was asked:
"Are you from MIT and therefore don't know how to read, or from
Harvard, and therefore don't know how to count?"
-Ramon The Mispeller
>
> Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> > Cheery picking much?
>
> > You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
> Why?
>
> Your spelling is bad enough.
>
> The MIT alumni would be glad that you are "repping" them so well...
We have a popular joke in Cambridge. An elevator had a "Maximum
> Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> > Cheery picking much?
>
> > You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
> Why?
>
> Your spelling is bad enough.
>
> The MIT alumni would be glad that you are "repping" them so well...
Capacity: 8" sign and there were 8 people in it. Still, a student
stepped in. He was asked:
"Are you from MIT and therefore don't know how to read, or from
Harvard, and therefore don't know how to count?"
-Ramon The Mispeller
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Patrick
Apr 28, 2012, 1:38:10 PM4/28/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
news:39lmp7592g3ivv1la...@4ax.com...
> A minority cannot call up legislation or have the authority to revisit
> legislation
Which minority? Which legislation?
I thought you were trying to blame this all on Bush.
Bush was not a legislator.
Neither was his boy, Colin Powell.
news:39lmp7592g3ivv1la...@4ax.com...
> legislation
Which minority? Which legislation?
I thought you were trying to blame this all on Bush.
Bush was not a legislator.
Neither was his boy, Colin Powell.
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 28, 2012, 2:34:55 PM4/28/12
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In article
<364d431a-d823-45c8...@l3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
Wrong on all counts! (as usual) I CAN afford my vehicles and don't need
surgery of ANY kind. (unlike certain self-styled "Progressives," who
have a need to control others.)
<364d431a-d823-45c8...@l3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
surgery of ANY kind. (unlike certain self-styled "Progressives," who
have a need to control others.)
Al
Apr 28, 2012, 2:36:14 PM4/28/12
to
In article <1t5op755p3bbb4lmi...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:57:41 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >"tons of WMD"
> >>
> >> Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >
> >Time to break out the long list of alarmist quotes again, libruls have such
> >poor memories.
>
> You "break out" dozens of OLD, unreliable, beliefs dated PRIOR to
> January 2003
What exactly are you accusing the Democrats of, voting in the majority for
an action they knew was based on a flawed Majority View? They all had the
same intel as Bush.
But think about it, how could a democrat who railed against Iraq for years
do an about-face when it came time to match action to rhetoric?
> All of which were PROVEN to be false.
Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
Unlike Clinton (and Obama), Bush took a year to rush to war. He asked
Congress, he asked the UN, he explained at length to the people ALL of the
rationale.
The left never accepted it, and never will, but that doesn't matter now. You
lost. Get over it.
>
> So---Break 'em out
>
> Laughing at them is standard.
The left always has an explanation why yesterday's statements are no longer
operative. But you're only fooling each other.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:57:41 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >"tons of WMD"
> >>
> >> Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >
> >Time to break out the long list of alarmist quotes again, libruls have such
> >poor memories.
>
> January 2003
What exactly are you accusing the Democrats of, voting in the majority for
an action they knew was based on a flawed Majority View? They all had the
same intel as Bush.
But think about it, how could a democrat who railed against Iraq for years
do an about-face when it came time to match action to rhetoric?
> All of which were PROVEN to be false.
Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
Unlike Clinton (and Obama), Bush took a year to rush to war. He asked
Congress, he asked the UN, he explained at length to the people ALL of the
rationale.
The left never accepted it, and never will, but that doesn't matter now. You
lost. Get over it.
>
> So---Break 'em out
>
> Laughing at them is standard.
The left always has an explanation why yesterday's statements are no longer
operative. But you're only fooling each other.
Al
Apr 28, 2012, 2:38:57 PM4/28/12
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In article <iv5op75n4r5puom6t...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
It's too late to stop the invasion, and the left will never execute of jail
anyone due to the Iraq invasion. The sad fact is, not that many people care,
but have fun honing the propaganda with each other.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >>"tons of WMD"
> >> >
> >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >>
> >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
> >
> >
> >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
>
> NOT after Jan 2003.
>
> >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >>"tons of WMD"
> >> >
> >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >>
> >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
> >
> >
> >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
>
It's too late to stop the invasion, and the left will never execute of jail
anyone due to the Iraq invasion. The sad fact is, not that many people care,
but have fun honing the propaganda with each other.
Alan Ferris
Apr 28, 2012, 3:32:19 PM4/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
>they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
Bush officials never tire of repeating the following stories as
justification for their policy:
Hussein gassed his own people.
Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
of Kuwait.
These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
and the Bush administration knows it.
Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
Supposedly Hussein gassed Iraqi Kurds at Halabja in March 1988 during
the closing days of the Iran-Iraq war. But it isn't true. In 1990, the
U.S. government found that the Kurds died by cyanide gas. It was the
Iranians who used cyanide, while the Iraqis used mustard gas. This
means it was the Iranians who accidentally killed the Kurds during
battle. Hussein had nothing to do with it. (Source: Army War College,
Stephen Pelletier & colleague)
In a related lie, Hussein is also said to have committed genocide in
August 1988, killing 100,000 Iraqi Kurds with machine guns, then
burying them in mass graves. U.S. intelligence services have uniformly
dismissed this story. According to Stephen Pelletier of the U.S. Army
War College, no such mass graves have ever been found because none
exist. The incident never happened. Human Rights Watch, which
originally reported the story, has since retracted it, but the lie
lives on.
Saddam Hussein did not try to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
Bush, Jr. loves to tell the story of how Hussein "tried to kill my
dad." But it's not true. Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh debunked
the story in a December 5, 1993 article in The New Yorker titled "A
Case Not Closed." The bomb was actually miles away from Bush, Sr. and
was likely a set-up by Kuwait to keep Clinton from easing sanctions on
Iraq.
Saddam Hussein's soldiers did not remove babies from incubators in
Kuwait.
A New York public relations firm hired by the Kuwaiti government
created this story to win American public support for U.S. military
action against Iraq. The fiction was based on the tearful testimony of
a Kuwaiti woman before the U.S. Senate as it debated war in 1990. The
woman claimed to have witnessed the incubator incident with her own
eyes, but she was really the daughter of the Kuwaiti Information
Minister, and hadn't even been in Kuwait on the day the alleged
atrocity took place. (See csmonitor.com/2002/ 0906/p01s02-wosc.html.)
http://www.truthaboutwar.org/1brutal.shtml
wrote:
>Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
>they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
justification for their policy:
Hussein gassed his own people.
Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
of Kuwait.
These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
and the Bush administration knows it.
Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
Supposedly Hussein gassed Iraqi Kurds at Halabja in March 1988 during
the closing days of the Iran-Iraq war. But it isn't true. In 1990, the
U.S. government found that the Kurds died by cyanide gas. It was the
Iranians who used cyanide, while the Iraqis used mustard gas. This
means it was the Iranians who accidentally killed the Kurds during
battle. Hussein had nothing to do with it. (Source: Army War College,
Stephen Pelletier & colleague)
In a related lie, Hussein is also said to have committed genocide in
August 1988, killing 100,000 Iraqi Kurds with machine guns, then
burying them in mass graves. U.S. intelligence services have uniformly
dismissed this story. According to Stephen Pelletier of the U.S. Army
War College, no such mass graves have ever been found because none
exist. The incident never happened. Human Rights Watch, which
originally reported the story, has since retracted it, but the lie
lives on.
Saddam Hussein did not try to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
Bush, Jr. loves to tell the story of how Hussein "tried to kill my
dad." But it's not true. Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh debunked
the story in a December 5, 1993 article in The New Yorker titled "A
Case Not Closed." The bomb was actually miles away from Bush, Sr. and
was likely a set-up by Kuwait to keep Clinton from easing sanctions on
Iraq.
Saddam Hussein's soldiers did not remove babies from incubators in
Kuwait.
A New York public relations firm hired by the Kuwaiti government
created this story to win American public support for U.S. military
action against Iraq. The fiction was based on the tearful testimony of
a Kuwaiti woman before the U.S. Senate as it debated war in 1990. The
woman claimed to have witnessed the incubator incident with her own
eyes, but she was really the daughter of the Kuwaiti Information
Minister, and hadn't even been in Kuwait on the day the alleged
atrocity took place. (See csmonitor.com/2002/ 0906/p01s02-wosc.html.)
http://www.truthaboutwar.org/1brutal.shtml
Al
Apr 28, 2012, 4:29:17 PM4/28/12
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In article <83gop75qdpvat1uad...@4ax.com>,
It failed, Saddam's gone.
Best of luck changing it all.
Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
> >they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
>
> Bush officials never tire of repeating the following stories as
> justification for their policy:
>
> Hussein gassed his own people.
> Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
> Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
> of Kuwait.
> These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
> and the Bush administration knows it.
>
> Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
I've read all the propaganda.
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
> >they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
>
> Bush officials never tire of repeating the following stories as
> justification for their policy:
>
> Hussein gassed his own people.
> Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
> Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
> of Kuwait.
> These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
> and the Bush administration knows it.
>
> Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
It failed, Saddam's gone.
Best of luck changing it all.
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Al
Apr 28, 2012, 10:51:27 PM4/28/12
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In article <sirop75u2kvbjfuj9...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:57 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <iv5op75n4r5puom6t...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >> >>"tons of WMD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >> >>
> >> >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
> >>
> >> NOT after Jan 2003.
> >
> >It's too late to stop the invasion,
>
> Why?
>
> Why would it have been "too late"?
Because as you note, it is past tense.
If you are making an argument for prosecution of the guilty, that is too a
waste of time for most.
ten years on, we have new stuff to consider.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:57 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <iv5op75n4r5puom6t...@4ax.com>,
> > Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> >> >> >>"tons of WMD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
> >> >>
> >> >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
> >>
> >> NOT after Jan 2003.
> >
> >It's too late to stop the invasion,
>
>
> Why would it have been "too late"?
Because as you note, it is past tense.
If you are making an argument for prosecution of the guilty, that is too a
waste of time for most.
ten years on, we have new stuff to consider.
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Paul Duca
Apr 29, 2012, 6:39:02 AM4/29/12
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On Apr 28, 4:29 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <83gop75qdpvat1uadi9d18dph606oba...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> In article <83gop75qdpvat1uadi9d18dph606oba...@4ax.com>,
> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
> > >they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
>
> > Bush officials never tire of repeating the following stories as
> > justification for their policy:
>
> > Hussein gassed his own people.
> > Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
> > Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
> > of Kuwait.
> > These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
> > and the Bush administration knows it.
>
> > Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
>
> I've read all the propaganda.
>
> It failed, Saddam's gone.
>
> Does nothing for me, but I'm told to feel GREAT about it, and someday I might get a reward.
>
> > >Enough of the articles of war were factual enough without the WMD intel,
> > >they were when Clinton was President, amd they never changed.
>
> > Bush officials never tire of repeating the following stories as
> > justification for their policy:
>
> > Hussein gassed his own people.
> > Hussein tried to assassinate George Bush, Sr.
> > Hussein's soldiers took babies out of incubators during the invasion
> > of Kuwait.
> > These stories make for great propaganda, but none of them are true,
> > and the Bush administration knows it.
>
> > Saddam Hussein did not gas his own people.
>
> I've read all the propaganda.
>
> It failed, Saddam's gone.
>
Paul Duca
Apr 29, 2012, 6:36:32 AM4/29/12
to
sat in the football stadium every Saturday...
Paul
Paul Duca
Apr 29, 2012, 6:38:08 AM4/29/12
to
On Apr 28, 2:38 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <iv5op75n4r5puom6ta0pb2umb23n0mf...@4ax.com>,
>
> Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
And it's too late tor people like Al to pretend that will reward
them....
Paul
> In article <iv5op75n4r5puom6ta0pb2umb23n0mf...@4ax.com>,
>
> Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> >>"tons of WMD"
>
> > >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
>
> > >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
>
> > >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
>
> > NOT after Jan 2003.
>
> It's too late to stop the invasion.
>
> > >> >>Keeping a straight face was really hard for bush when he said Iraq had
> > >> >>"tons of WMD"
>
> > >> >Your 'rats in Congress believed it too.
>
> > >> THey were fed Bad Intel By Bush, the CIA, DOD, State
>
> > >They were fed the same intel that had existed,
>
> > NOT after Jan 2003.
>
And it's too late tor people like Al to pretend that will reward
them....
Paul
Info Junkie
Apr 29, 2012, 8:33:29 AM4/29/12
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On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
(Sigh) With all the irrefutable evidence I've previously posted to
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
shed bright lights on this issue, you (among others) STILL refuse to
admit you're errors on this issue. Instead like roaches hoping the
lights have been turned off, you make false conclusions based on
hyperbole and fallacies while refusing to provide credible evidence to
back your false assertions...again and again.
>
> NOT after Jan 2003.
>
> UNSCOM was allowed back into Iraq--TOTAL access to any/all sites
> Blix told the UN (and Bush) that NO evidence he claimed existed.
Blix’s interim report to the UNSC (January, 2003):
"These reports do not contend that weapons of mass destruction remain
in Iraq, but nor do they exclude that possibility… ..Iraq appears not
to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the
disarmament that was demanded of it."
http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=5983&Cr=iraq&Cr1=inspect
> >There was no need for intel on the other Articles of war,
>
> unilateral authority to launch an invasion.
The "authority" was through the agreements of member states to abide
by and enforce elements found in Chapter VII of the UN Charter,
specifically Article 42
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml
The United States did not go into Iraq “unilaterally” as we were a
member of coalition forces and such enforcement of security council
resolutions were performed by the coalition of UN members
> Bush made up intel, then refused to accept the UNSCOM truth and defied
> UN authority.
1. Cite the intel you claimed “Bush made up” and the alleged “UNSCOM
truth”
2. Iraq was already violating UN resolutions
3. The UN “authority” is contained in the UN Charter.
Article 42 authorizes the enforcement by UN members, while "Resolution
687 also linked a decision to lift sanctions with Iraq's fulfillment
of the disarmament provisions. The resolution was passed under Chapter
7 of the UN Charter, meaning that military force could be used to
enforce compliance."
http://www.mideastweb.org/687.htm
UN Security Council Resolution 1441 "recalled" all relevant
resolutions that included Resolution 687.
http://c-span.org/resources/fyi/draftresolution2.asp
> >> The issue is "what did bush and the majority do after Feb. 2003"--when
> >> they found that NONE of the excuses used to get the vote to authorize
> >> were still valid.
>
> >Of the 22 or so Articles of War, only a few dealt directly with WMD.
>
> against WMD,-- that Bush falsely used as justificiation.
You’re confusing your attributions as it was not the Bush
Administration made that claim, but Bill Clinton:
"Clinton said he and his national security advisers agreed that Saddam
Hussein presented a clear and present danger to the stability of the
Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere."
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=41731
The Bush Administrations’ reason to enter Iraq was as a member of
coalition forces to enforce UNSC Resolution 1441. This is proven by
Congress’ passage of a “Joint Resolution to Authorize the use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq”
http://academic.regis.edu/jriley/414text_of_joint_resolution.htm
(IF you respond, how long will it take before you "snip" the cites
I've posted and/or provide credible evidence that refutes my own)
Info Junkie
Apr 29, 2012, 10:19:59 AM4/29/12
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On Apr 28, 6:27 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:10 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ><Yoorg...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
> >news:39lmp7592g3ivv1la...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:15:53 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>><Yoorg...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:mk3mp751bm116fqmq...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
>
By a majority of Congress that had intel from it's own sources:
http://intelligence.house.gov/
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/
> The ONLY way that vote could have been rescinded was for a MAJORITY to
> introduce legislation to stop it.
...and yet they saw now need to do so based on their agreement with
the Bush Administration regarding enforcement of
UNSC Resolutions are part of our obligation to fulfil our treaty
obligations to the UN Charter
> How is that not clear.
>
> Even if it passed, Bush would have had to agree (not veto)
Only IF the UNSC members unanimously agreed that Iraq had BEGUN to
voluntarily:
1. stop shooting at UN member planes that were enforcing the UN-
sanction no-fly zones
2. Fully and uncondtiionally comply with ALL UN Security Council
resolutons
What Iraq DID:
1. "No sooner had Iraq grudgingly accepted the U.N.'s November 8
resolution than it spent six of the following seven days shooting at
U.S. and British planes patrolling the southern and northern no-fly
zones. Resolution 1441 specifically states that "Iraq shall not take
or threaten hostile acts directed at . . . any Member State taking
action to uphold any Council resolution."
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/burdenofproof.html
2. Constructed/retained WMDs in direct violation of UNSC Resolutions
(Only two examples needed)
"Al-Samud II missile program, begun in 2001...Iraq researched and
developed the Al Samud II missile despite UN provisions, which
prohibited such a system with its specification."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al-samoud_2.htm
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/
3. Select which parts of the cease-fire agreements they would comply
while holding others off with oil-for-food payoffs on-the side.
"Hussein never had any intention of abiding by the truce......the UN
had allowed Hussein to grab billions in personal wealth by perverting
the embargo in the Oil-for-Food Program...
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/
I suspect you'll ignore all of this once again...stomping your little
feet like a child that refuses to be told they can't have their way...
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:10 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ><Yoorg...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
> >news:39lmp7592g3ivv1la...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:15:53 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>><Yoorg...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:mk3mp751bm116fqmq...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
> >>>>>> 2003
>
> >>>>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
> >>>>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
> >>>> A year after it was proven that NO justification for attacking Iraq
> >>>> existed?
>
> >>>> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
>
> >>>Then why did you allow it?
>
> >> A minority cannot call up legislation or have the authority to revisit
> >> legislation
>
> >Which minority? Which legislation?
> >I thought you were trying to blame this all on Bush.
> >Bush was not a legislator.
> >Neither was his boy, Colin Powell.
>
> The vote to authorize was taken and passed.
>
> >>>>>> You're not honest enough to cite what the KNOWN intel was AFTER Jan
> >>>>>> 2003
>
> >>>>>Lets look at Jan 2004:
> >>>>>In defense of GW Bush:
>
> >>>> A year after it was proven that NO justification for attacking Iraq
> >>>> existed?
>
> >>>> Hell, we knew that by June 2003.
>
> >>>Then why did you allow it?
>
> >> A minority cannot call up legislation or have the authority to revisit
> >> legislation
>
> >Which minority? Which legislation?
> >I thought you were trying to blame this all on Bush.
> >Bush was not a legislator.
> >Neither was his boy, Colin Powell.
>
>
By a majority of Congress that had intel from it's own sources:
http://intelligence.house.gov/
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/
> The ONLY way that vote could have been rescinded was for a MAJORITY to
> introduce legislation to stop it.
...and yet they saw now need to do so based on their agreement with
the Bush Administration regarding enforcement of
UNSC Resolutions are part of our obligation to fulfil our treaty
obligations to the UN Charter
> How is that not clear.
>
> Even if it passed, Bush would have had to agree (not veto)
Only IF the UNSC members unanimously agreed that Iraq had BEGUN to
voluntarily:
1. stop shooting at UN member planes that were enforcing the UN-
sanction no-fly zones
2. Fully and uncondtiionally comply with ALL UN Security Council
resolutons
What Iraq DID:
1. "No sooner had Iraq grudgingly accepted the U.N.'s November 8
resolution than it spent six of the following seven days shooting at
U.S. and British planes patrolling the southern and northern no-fly
zones. Resolution 1441 specifically states that "Iraq shall not take
or threaten hostile acts directed at . . . any Member State taking
action to uphold any Council resolution."
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/burdenofproof.html
2. Constructed/retained WMDs in direct violation of UNSC Resolutions
(Only two examples needed)
"Al-Samud II missile program, begun in 2001...Iraq researched and
developed the Al Samud II missile despite UN provisions, which
prohibited such a system with its specification."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al-samoud_2.htm
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/
3. Select which parts of the cease-fire agreements they would comply
while holding others off with oil-for-food payoffs on-the side.
"Hussein never had any intention of abiding by the truce......the UN
had allowed Hussein to grab billions in personal wealth by perverting
the embargo in the Oil-for-Food Program...
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/
I suspect you'll ignore all of this once again...stomping your little
feet like a child that refuses to be told they can't have their way...
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Info Junkie
Apr 29, 2012, 11:21:14 AM4/29/12
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On Apr 29, 11:00 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
...because the Iraqi's were';t cooperating? LOL
> The reason it was termed as such---is that Blix requested another
> period of time to confirm what he believed, but did not have evidence
> to support.
After 12 years of ignoring UNSC resolutions, it was time to start
ignoring the countries that kept delay actions with oil-for-food
scams.
> He believed that after the Gulf War---ALL of Saddam's WMD were
> destroyed in the bunkers by Bush 1 and the UN forces,
He was proven wrong.
>that the
> capabilities to produce any were gone, that no evidence showed he was
> attempting to reconstittute anything, and that Saddam was using the
> blocking of UNSCOM inspections to make Iran believe he still was.
So tell us sonny, IF in January 2003, Hans Blix found NO evidence (of
WMDs). prior to coalition forces entering Iraq (March 2003), how was
it possible that two months LATER, that these non-existant, UN-
prohibited WMDs have been used as... "....Iraq launched approximately
five Al Samud II missiles against Coalition forces during OIF..."?
ROTFLMHO
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al-samoud_2.htm
Bottom line: Based on the amount of materials discovered, Hans Blix
was proven wrong again and again.
> The invasion proved what Hans Blix could have done in a short period
> of time---making the invasion unnecessary
Military forces have discovered MANY caches of WMDs.
> That bunch of shit you laid out is bogus.
...and yet you offer no evidence to counter my own...as usual
> We know it's bogus because we found EXACTLY what Blix said we'd
> find----NOTHING.
So THAT's why you "snipped" the evdience, you;re pretending it didn't
exist...at least in your mind, eh? Go back to sleep, let the adults
deal with facts and resolutions and we'll wake you when it time to
change your diaper again. ROTFLMHO.
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
>
>
>
>
>
> <bondr...@att.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >(Sigh) With all the irrefutable evidence I've previously posted to
> >shed bright lights on this issue, you (among others) STILL refuse to
> >admit you're errors on this issue. Instead like roaches hoping the
> >lights have been turned off, you make false conclusions based on
> >hyperbole and fallacies while refusing to provide credible evidence to
> >back your false assertions...again and again.
>
> >> NOT after Jan 2003.
>
> >> UNSCOM was allowed back into Iraq--TOTAL access to any/all sites
>
> >> Blix told the UN (and Bush) that NO evidence he claimed existed.
>
> >Blix’s interim report to the UNSC (January, 2003):
> >"These reports do not contend that weapons of mass destruction remain
> >in Iraq, but nor do they exclude that possibility… ..Iraq appears not
> >to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the
> >disarmament that was demanded of it."
>
> Blix's interim report told bush that NOTHING could be found
>
>
>
>
> <bondr...@att.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >(Sigh) With all the irrefutable evidence I've previously posted to
> >shed bright lights on this issue, you (among others) STILL refuse to
> >admit you're errors on this issue. Instead like roaches hoping the
> >lights have been turned off, you make false conclusions based on
> >hyperbole and fallacies while refusing to provide credible evidence to
> >back your false assertions...again and again.
>
> >> NOT after Jan 2003.
>
> >> UNSCOM was allowed back into Iraq--TOTAL access to any/all sites
>
> >> Blix told the UN (and Bush) that NO evidence he claimed existed.
>
> >Blix’s interim report to the UNSC (January, 2003):
> >"These reports do not contend that weapons of mass destruction remain
> >in Iraq, but nor do they exclude that possibility… ..Iraq appears not
> >to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the
> >disarmament that was demanded of it."
>
...because the Iraqi's were';t cooperating? LOL
> The reason it was termed as such---is that Blix requested another
> period of time to confirm what he believed, but did not have evidence
> to support.
After 12 years of ignoring UNSC resolutions, it was time to start
ignoring the countries that kept delay actions with oil-for-food
scams.
> He believed that after the Gulf War---ALL of Saddam's WMD were
> destroyed in the bunkers by Bush 1 and the UN forces,
He was proven wrong.
>that the
> capabilities to produce any were gone, that no evidence showed he was
> attempting to reconstittute anything, and that Saddam was using the
> blocking of UNSCOM inspections to make Iran believe he still was.
So tell us sonny, IF in January 2003, Hans Blix found NO evidence (of
WMDs). prior to coalition forces entering Iraq (March 2003), how was
it possible that two months LATER, that these non-existant, UN-
prohibited WMDs have been used as... "....Iraq launched approximately
five Al Samud II missiles against Coalition forces during OIF..."?
ROTFLMHO
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/al-samoud_2.htm
Bottom line: Based on the amount of materials discovered, Hans Blix
was proven wrong again and again.
> The invasion proved what Hans Blix could have done in a short period
> of time---making the invasion unnecessary
Military forces have discovered MANY caches of WMDs.
> That bunch of shit you laid out is bogus.
...and yet you offer no evidence to counter my own...as usual
> We know it's bogus because we found EXACTLY what Blix said we'd
> find----NOTHING.
So THAT's why you "snipped" the evdience, you;re pretending it didn't
exist...at least in your mind, eh? Go back to sleep, let the adults
deal with facts and resolutions and we'll wake you when it time to
change your diaper again. ROTFLMHO.
George Kerby
Apr 29, 2012, 11:29:44 AM4/29/12
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On 4/29/12 5:36 AM, in article
ca5d57ec-11ea-41c0...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Paul
I'm sure the only college you attended was involving your job as a
Maintenance Technician (Janitor).
No, Pauline, where I went we didn't sit down due to tradition. And, that
tradition also called for kissing our girls every time we scored, neither of
which you would know anything.
Info Junkie
Apr 29, 2012, 11:45:48 AM4/29/12
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On Apr 29, 11:02 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
>
> Congress has no independent intelligence, it relies on intel given by
> direction of the Executive--to the majority, then given to committees
> dealing with those issues.
Both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees are free to request
intel from whatever source of intel they desire.
> The only itel they got was what Bush gave them
ROTFLMHO. Congress may question the same sources that provide intel to
the POTUS.
The Senate Intelligence Committe is charged with "oversight", as well
as the House Intelligence Committee:
(http://intelligence.senate.gov/)
(http://intelligence.house.gov/)
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
>
> <bondr...@att.net> wrote:
> >> The vote to authorize was taken and passed.
>
> >By a majority of Congress that had intel from it's own sources:
>
> Utter nonsense
> <bondr...@att.net> wrote:
> >> The vote to authorize was taken and passed.
>
> >By a majority of Congress that had intel from it's own sources:
>
>
> Congress has no independent intelligence, it relies on intel given by
> direction of the Executive--to the majority, then given to committees
> dealing with those issues.
Both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees are free to request
intel from whatever source of intel they desire.
> The only itel they got was what Bush gave them
ROTFLMHO. Congress may question the same sources that provide intel to
the POTUS.
The Senate Intelligence Committe is charged with "oversight", as well
as the House Intelligence Committee:
(http://intelligence.senate.gov/)
(http://intelligence.house.gov/)
Al
Apr 29, 2012, 11:46:17 AM4/29/12
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In article <n2cpp71tf4teesejo...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:51:27 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Why would it have been "too late"?
> >
> >Because as you note, it is past tense.
> >
> >If you are making an argument for prosecution of the guilty, that is too a
> >waste of time for most.
>
> Making no such thing
>
> THe issue is debunking the claim that the intel prior to Jan 2003 was
> true, and that Bush was justified in attacking Iraq.
Ignoring of course the other Articles of War and the fact that America, not
GW Bush, invaded Iraq.
Lost on you is the fact that Iraqis vote now, Afghanis vote now, they are
fighting still for democracy.
And that is not good for the left, which champions totalitarianism over
freedom.
>
> NO one mentioned (I didn't) prosecuting anyone
Not yet, but the theme of Bush and Cheney in jail or dead is a rather
constant wet dream on the left.
Why?
Because they killed a violent totalitarian and gave 50 million people the
best shot at self-governance they've ever had, or ever will - over the
wishes of the totalitarian-minded left.
>
> But you aren't getting away with saying it was justified.
In my mind, it was, and is. Freedom is not a cake walk, Bush said time and
again this is a generational movement, a long hard road and it may not lead
to what Americans see as "freedom" relative to ours.
You shiny whiny little marching farts don't have a damn clue about the big
picture, which is why there are so few of you.
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:51:27 -0500, Al <albert.f...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Why would it have been "too late"?
> >
> >Because as you note, it is past tense.
> >
> >If you are making an argument for prosecution of the guilty, that is too a
> >waste of time for most.
>
>
> THe issue is debunking the claim that the intel prior to Jan 2003 was
> true, and that Bush was justified in attacking Iraq.
Ignoring of course the other Articles of War and the fact that America, not
GW Bush, invaded Iraq.
Lost on you is the fact that Iraqis vote now, Afghanis vote now, they are
fighting still for democracy.
And that is not good for the left, which champions totalitarianism over
freedom.
>
> NO one mentioned (I didn't) prosecuting anyone
Not yet, but the theme of Bush and Cheney in jail or dead is a rather
constant wet dream on the left.
Why?
Because they killed a violent totalitarian and gave 50 million people the
best shot at self-governance they've ever had, or ever will - over the
wishes of the totalitarian-minded left.
>
> But you aren't getting away with saying it was justified.
In my mind, it was, and is. Freedom is not a cake walk, Bush said time and
again this is a generational movement, a long hard road and it may not lead
to what Americans see as "freedom" relative to ours.
You shiny whiny little marching farts don't have a damn clue about the big
picture, which is why there are so few of you.
Paul Duca
Apr 29, 2012, 11:56:39 AM4/29/12
to
In article
<1333d08e-a9cd-4aab...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 4:29 pm,: Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <83gop75qdpvat1uadi9d18dph606oba...@4ax.com>,
> > Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm admittedly kind of an idiot.
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:39:1 Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stopt it Paul, you damn moron.
<snip>
I'm with Paul on this one, Paul. Apparently, so is Paul. What say Paul?
<1333d08e-a9cd-4aab...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 4:29 pm,: Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <83gop75qdpvat1uadi9d18dph606oba...@4ax.com>,
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:36:14 -0500, Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm admittedly kind of an idiot.
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:39:1 Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stopt it Paul, you damn moron.
<snip>
I'm with Paul on this one, Paul. Apparently, so is Paul. What say Paul?
Al
Apr 29, 2012, 12:11:11 PM4/29/12
to
In article
<0db2ed6c-0bc1-4a2f...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
<0db2ed6c-0bc1-4a2f...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Info Junkie <bond...@att.net> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> (Sigh) With all the irrefutable evidence I've previously posted to
> shed bright lights on this issue, you (among others) STILL refuse to
> admit you're errors on this issue.
That's a feature, not a bug, of leftism.
> On Apr 28, 12:20 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:15:11 -0500, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> (Sigh) With all the irrefutable evidence I've previously posted to
> shed bright lights on this issue, you (among others) STILL refuse to
> admit you're errors on this issue.
Patrick
Apr 29, 2012, 2:11:19 PM4/29/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote
You are a frickin idiot.
> Congress has no independent intelligence, it relies on intel given by
> direction of the Executive--to the majority, then given to committees
> dealing with those issues.
> direction of the Executive--to the majority, then given to committees
> dealing with those issues.
> The only itel they got was what Bush gave them
Excuse me while I go laugh my ass off.
You are a frickin idiot.
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Alan Ferris
Apr 29, 2012, 2:57:46 PM4/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:11:19 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:
From the man who claimed:
"+ Cardinal Ratz has made many, many enemies along his way.
+ As soon as Pope JP2 departs the living, Ratz will be history."
- P.Barker 7/8/04
"+ Ratzo is a power hungry cardinal well placed in the Vatican
who will never have any backing to become Pope. He does
what he needs to do. He provides comic relief for many of us."
- P.Barker 6/10/03
wrote:
"+ Cardinal Ratz has made many, many enemies along his way.
+ As soon as Pope JP2 departs the living, Ratz will be history."
- P.Barker 7/8/04
"+ Ratzo is a power hungry cardinal well placed in the Vatican
who will never have any backing to become Pope. He does
what he needs to do. He provides comic relief for many of us."
- P.Barker 6/10/03
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Paul Duca
Apr 29, 2012, 8:15:46 PM4/29/12
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On Apr 29, 11:29 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/29/12 5:36 AM, in article
> ca5d57ec-11ea-41c0-8ec0-5d8e83d56...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Paul
> On 4/29/12 5:36 AM, in article
>
>
>
> Duca" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 10:54 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> >> On Apr 28, 9:45 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On 4/28/12 9:24 AM, in article
> >>> 93644682-5f4a-4e0d-90cf-713a32144...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
>
> >>> Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Cheery picking much?
>
> >>>> You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
> >>> Why?
>
> >> > Your spelling is bad enough.
> >> >
> >> > The MIT alumni would be glad that you are "repping" them so well...
>
> >> We have a popular joke in Cambridge. An elevator had a "Maximum
> >> Capacity: 8" sign and there were 8 people in it. Still, a student
> >> stepped in. He was asked:
>
> >> "Are you from MIT and therefore don't know how to read, or from
> >> Harvard, and therefore don't know how to count?"
>
> >> -Ramon The Mispeller
>
> > I'm sure George went to a college that only cared about making sure he
> > sat in the football stadium every Saturday...
>
> > Paul
>
>
> That tradition also called for kissing our girls every time we scored,
>
>
> Duca" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 10:54 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> >> On Apr 28, 9:45 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On 4/28/12 9:24 AM, in article
> >>> 93644682-5f4a-4e0d-90cf-713a32144...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, "Ramon F.
>
> >>> Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Cheery picking much?
>
> >>>> You may want to check my arithmetic.
>
> >>> Why?
>
> >> > Your spelling is bad enough.
> >> >
> >> > The MIT alumni would be glad that you are "repping" them so well...
>
> >> We have a popular joke in Cambridge. An elevator had a "Maximum
> >> Capacity: 8" sign and there were 8 people in it. Still, a student
> >> stepped in. He was asked:
>
> >> "Are you from MIT and therefore don't know how to read, or from
> >> Harvard, and therefore don't know how to count?"
>
> >> -Ramon The Mispeller
>
> > I'm sure George went to a college that only cared about making sure he
> > sat in the football stadium every Saturday...
>
> > Paul
>
>
> the two things we were taught would be all we'd EVER need to know.
> The nice folks like Fox News and talk radio hosts would take care of everything else.
Patrick
Apr 29, 2012, 8:38:37 PM4/29/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
news:rh3rp7dhn6l3iekqh...@4ax.com...
> Says the moron who must not understand basic government workings.
Yeah, right.
How many embassies have you worked in?
How many State Department members do you know?
news:rh3rp7dhn6l3iekqh...@4ax.com...
Yeah, right.
How many embassies have you worked in?
How many State Department members do you know?
Patrick
Apr 29, 2012, 8:49:37 PM4/29/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote
> You're one of those who simply cannot admit yer lying deserter was
> wrong.
February 8, 2003-Bush said in his weekly radio address: "We have sources
that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders
to use chemical weapons-the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not
have."
March 16, 2003-Cheney declared on NBC's "Meet the Press," referring to
Saddam Hussein, "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
March 17, 2003-In his final prewar ultimatum, Bush declared, "Intelligence
gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime
continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised."
+ When clintoon disassembled the CIA intelligence on the ground in Iraq, we
had to rely on sources other than our own.
Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war
. Man codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bioweapons
. Iraqi told lies to try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime
. Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion
Read the full story of how the US was duped
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war
> You're one of those who simply cannot admit yer lying deserter was
> wrong.
February 8, 2003-Bush said in his weekly radio address: "We have sources
that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders
to use chemical weapons-the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not
have."
March 16, 2003-Cheney declared on NBC's "Meet the Press," referring to
Saddam Hussein, "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
March 17, 2003-In his final prewar ultimatum, Bush declared, "Intelligence
gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime
continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever
devised."
+ When clintoon disassembled the CIA intelligence on the ground in Iraq, we
had to rely on sources other than our own.
Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war
. Man codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bioweapons
. Iraqi told lies to try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime
. Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion
Read the full story of how the US was duped
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war
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Alan Ferris
Apr 30, 2012, 5:49:04 AM4/30/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:38:37 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:
>>>Excuse me while I go laugh my ass off.
>>>You are a frickin idiot.
>
>> Says the moron who must not understand basic government workings.
>
>Yeah, right.
>How many embassies have you worked in?
>How many State Department members do you know?
"+I have told you, I do not learn, I will never learn.
+God said let them lie, so I lie." - P Barker
"+ I lie about you." - P Barker
"+ Don't you worry about my false accusations.
+ I know exactly what I do." - P Barker
wrote:
>>>Excuse me while I go laugh my ass off.
>>>You are a frickin idiot.
>
>> Says the moron who must not understand basic government workings.
>
>Yeah, right.
>How many embassies have you worked in?
>How many State Department members do you know?
+God said let them lie, so I lie." - P Barker
"+ I lie about you." - P Barker
"+ Don't you worry about my false accusations.
+ I know exactly what I do." - P Barker
Alan Ferris
Apr 30, 2012, 5:55:17 AM4/30/12
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:49:37 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:
Duped? Bush was told by the CIA that all other intelligence agencies
had declared the yellow cake documents to be forgeries, yet Bush still
used it as evidence.....how is that being duped?
The yellow cake documents were a really bad forgery, they even got the
name of the foreign minister wrong on them.
"CIA sources insist the Bush administration was made aware some time
before the State of the Union address that the Niger allegation was
false. "
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,463779,00.html#ixzz1tW3GfUzd
"On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush
in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did
not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior
CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the
Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it
turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up
again."
http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/
--
Ferrit
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wrote:
had declared the yellow cake documents to be forgeries, yet Bush still
used it as evidence.....how is that being duped?
The yellow cake documents were a really bad forgery, they even got the
name of the foreign minister wrong on them.
"CIA sources insist the Bush administration was made aware some time
before the State of the Union address that the Niger allegation was
false. "
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,463779,00.html#ixzz1tW3GfUzd
"On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush
in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did
not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior
CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the
Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it
turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up
again."
http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/
--
Ferrit
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( ) . ( )
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Patrick
Apr 30, 2012, 3:03:35 PM4/30/12
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<Yoor...@Jurgis.net> wrote in message
> (ans: As many as Hans Blix said he'd find)
1) In his 3/7/2003 written report, Hans Blix indicated Iraq had drones which
exceeded the UN's 90 mile range limit. These could be used to drop chemical
weapons. BLIX MADE NO MENTION OF THIS IS HIS ORAL REPORT.
2) In the same written report, Blix indicated that inspectors had "credible
evidence" that Iraq still possessed Anthrax. Once again, BLIX FAILED TO
MENTION THIS ORALLY.
Blix is a tool. He knew that there is going to be a war and he knew that it
was relatively unpopular. He wasn't about to make any more comments that
could be seen as a trigger for war. He didn't want to be held personally
responsible for that. It put him in a place where it is better to err on
the side of caution and to understate Iraqi gross non-compliance.
Of course the absurdity is that we all knew that Iraq was in total
non-compliance and wass not truly disarming. The legitimate argument of the
anti-war group is that war is not worth it in spite of that because the
danger does not exceed the penalty of going to war. But unfortunately the
question of compliance is being used as a proxy debate rather than getting
at the real issue which should have been debated more fully by that crowd
before 1441. Undoubtedly some will continue to spin what 1441 meant, but the
diplomats all knew how it broke down but whatever.
Blix came out of this looking like a complete fool. The IAEA absolutely
bungled their assessment of the Iraqi nuclear program years ago when he was
their director. That certainly hasn't helped his rep. If Iraq was found to
have massive amounts of WMD and if some of the claims that he has disputed
prove to be true then he would lose all credibility.
> , "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> wrote:
>>How many embassies have you worked in?
>>How many State Department members do you know?
>
> How many "tons of WMD" did bush find?
>>How many embassies have you worked in?
>>How many State Department members do you know?
>
> (ans: As many as Hans Blix said he'd find)
1) In his 3/7/2003 written report, Hans Blix indicated Iraq had drones which
exceeded the UN's 90 mile range limit. These could be used to drop chemical
weapons. BLIX MADE NO MENTION OF THIS IS HIS ORAL REPORT.
2) In the same written report, Blix indicated that inspectors had "credible
evidence" that Iraq still possessed Anthrax. Once again, BLIX FAILED TO
MENTION THIS ORALLY.
Blix is a tool. He knew that there is going to be a war and he knew that it
was relatively unpopular. He wasn't about to make any more comments that
could be seen as a trigger for war. He didn't want to be held personally
responsible for that. It put him in a place where it is better to err on
the side of caution and to understate Iraqi gross non-compliance.
Of course the absurdity is that we all knew that Iraq was in total
non-compliance and wass not truly disarming. The legitimate argument of the
anti-war group is that war is not worth it in spite of that because the
danger does not exceed the penalty of going to war. But unfortunately the
question of compliance is being used as a proxy debate rather than getting
at the real issue which should have been debated more fully by that crowd
before 1441. Undoubtedly some will continue to spin what 1441 meant, but the
diplomats all knew how it broke down but whatever.
Blix came out of this looking like a complete fool. The IAEA absolutely
bungled their assessment of the Iraqi nuclear program years ago when he was
their director. That certainly hasn't helped his rep. If Iraq was found to
have massive amounts of WMD and if some of the claims that he has disputed
prove to be true then he would lose all credibility.
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