France, meanwhile, wants to send a small, purely symbolic contingent to the
force, and the United Nations is trying to convince French officials that
such a decision would be devastating, a news report said Thursday.
Though France has been widely expected to lead the force, the newspaper Le
Monde reported that it planned to contribute merely 10 officers and 200
military engineers.
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was expected to call President Jacques
Chirac on Thursday to persuade France to make a larger commitment, Le Monde
said, citing unidentified diplomatic sources.
A French Defense Ministry spokesman declined to comment on the report.
The U.N. resolution that led to Monday's cease-fire between Israel and
Hezbollah authorized up to 15,000 U.N. peacekeepers to help 15,000 Lebanese
troops extend their authority throughout south Lebanon, which Hezbollah
controls.
The aim is to create a buffer zone free of Hezbollah fighters between
Lebanon's Litani River and the U.N.-drawn border, about 20 miles to the
south.
French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said in an interview with
France-2 television Wednesday that the mandate of the strengthened force is
still "fuzzy" and warned that the United Nations needs to spell out its
exact mission and rules of engagement.
That's what U.N. peacekeeping officials will do at a meeting Thursday
afternoon chaired by Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown.
Britain's U.N. Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry said he expects early agreement
at the meeting on the concept of operations and the rules of engagement,
which have been drafted with help from French and U.S. military planners.
"The countries will then be reassured and make the offers," he predicted.
Jones Parry called Thursday's meeting among dozens of potential donor
countries "crucial" and said the pace of putting together the expanded force
needs to accelerate. He said he hopes troops will be on the ground within
two weeks.
"I'm quite encouraged by the number of governments who are indicating
quietly that they're in the market to provide troops," he said. "I expect
that after [the] meeting there will be an acceleration and those who are in
a position to deploy quickly and show leadership will do so."
U.N. officials and diplomats said questions about the mandate for the force
and whether it would be required to disarm Hezbollah fighters were holding
up troop commitments. Some countries also want to see how many new troops
France decides to send before making any announcement.
"We will be very happy if France agrees to provide a significant
contribution that will provide the backbone of the force," Annabi said.
Forty-five countries attended technical meetings for possible troop
contributors on Saturday and Monday, and Thursday's formal meeting could
attract even more.
The United Nations has not yet received any formal offers of new troops for
the 2,000-strong U.N. force, known as UNIFIL, though France, Italy, Turkey,
Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brunei have indicated they will make significant
contributions.
Assistant Secretary-General for Peacekeeping Hedi Annabi said Tuesday the
U.N. hopes 3,500 well-equipped international troops can reinforce the U.N.
contingent within 10 to 14 days to help consolidate the fragile cease-fire
and create the conditions for Israeli forces to head home.
Israel started withdrawing some troops soon after the cessation of
hostilities came into force and more than 50 percent of the areas it held
had been transferred by Wednesday night, the Israeli military said.
"If there is a place that Israel can withdraw from and the Lebanese army can
come, plus international forces, we'll do it," Israeli Foreign Minister
Tzipi Livni told reporters after meeting Annan for more than an hour. "But
if it takes time until the international forces are organized, it takes time
until Israel withdraws. This is the equation."
Livni said Israel's top priority is to end Hezbollah's control of south
Lebanon.
Israel wants the expanded U.N. force to help monitor the Lebanese border to
prevent Iran and Syria from replenishing Hezbollah's weapons because it
doesn't believe the Lebanese army can do that alone, she said.
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War is a series of catastrophes that results in a victory.
Georges Clemenceau (1841 - 1929)
But for the French: Failure and victory are relative. Defeat and retreat are
a series of events which must be rewritten with morally relative and
Politically Correct neutrality. Only to be spun by the Associated Press into
convoluted enlightenment...say what?
How many is the US sending?
CB - aka Unfrozen Caveman Politician Algore wrote:
That is downright stupid for you to say.
--
Software axiom: Lack of speed kills.
As always, the Americans who are writing in here 'bashing' the French are
showing the typically appalling American grasp of history. and forget that
it is the good ol' US of A that has the best track record for running away
from war.
Quite apart from both world wars where they sat by for about 3 years, there
have been the famous sights of the US helicopters over Saigon, desperately
evacuating the last Americans from Vietnam after LOSING there. US
helicopters ditched over the side of the aircraft carriers and then RUN HOME
whilst your South Vietnamese allies are sold down the drain.
Oh, and the sight of those US helicopters burnt out at Desert One after they
screwed up in Iran in 1980. the 'elite' Delta Force and US Rangers RUN HOME
leaving their hostages in Iranian hands.and then had to pay the Iranian
'terrrorists' with weapons to get them back later.
Then there are all the crashed and shot down US helicopters in Grenada.
surely one of the most incompetent military operations of modern times,
where a huge force of 'elite' US Rangers, paratroops & Marines were
committed and launched a surprise attack against a group of Grenadan militia
and a couple of hundred Cuban reservists armed with rifles. The Rangers &
Airborne promptly got themselves pinned down at the end of Salines runway
and didn't rescue many of the US 'hostages' for days. A number of US Seal
and Ranger officers were reportedly in total panic on the ground, including
one who asked for urgent evacuation of all his wounded men despite the fact
they had none!
The US suffered nearly 200 casualties, not to mention nearly a dozen downed
helos. Of course, if you watch/read the US version of this little
engagement, you'd be convinced it was a major US victory, not a total
shambles as seen in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Oh, and then Lebanon 1983. 251 Marines killed in the barracks bombing,
appalling, don't get me wrong, but entirely preventable if incompetent US
Marine commanders had listened to specialist advice telling them that they
were a truck-bombers dream and had bothered to put in a few obstacles to a
speeding truck. Oh, by the way, you American readers clearly forget that at
the same time 241 marines were being blown up, 58 French peacekeepers were
also killed in much the same way. So what happened next. your own 'tough'
President Reagan (the same president who paid off the Iranians earlier)
ordered yet another American PULLOUT, not the French President. and the US
marines RAN HOME.
Then on to Somalia. Black Hawk Down. need we say more. more US helicopters
burning on the ground. more incompetent planning. more 'elite' US Rangers
panicking. yet another US PULL-OUT.
Every battle fought by the USA in modern times is told with photos of
crashed, ditched or burning US helicopters and US soldiers RUNNING HOME with
their tales between their legs after yet another pull-out or disastrous
military venture. Iraq will be the same, there can be no political victory,
even if there was a dubious military one initially. against a bunch of
poorly equipped Iraqi reservists who really didn't want to fight and with no
air cover. well done America! What heroes you are. Even when you win a
battle, you always lose the war through political incompetence.
So after a quick history review, many of us here find the idea of Americans
knocking the French for their military prowess highly amusing. The US
"Rangers Lead The Way" motto is clearly missing its last word. "HOME".
The French army won't commit till they have some proper rules of engagement.
simple military common sense. but then, we can't expect our US readers to
understand that can we?
Iran 1980 (Desert One), US & France in Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia 1993...
all examples of the US RUNNING HOME after starting a fight... we will see
what happens in Iraq, but you`ve already long lost that one politically...
Frog liar!
> Quite apart from both world wars where they sat by for about 3 years, there
> have been the famous sights of the US helicopters over Saigon, desperately
> evacuating the last Americans from Vietnam after LOSING there. US
> helicopters ditched over the side of the aircraft carriers and then RUN HOME
> whilst your South Vietnamese allies are sold down the drain.
The Frogs started the war in Vietnam. The war was finished by us. Then
the gooks lied like muzzies and reinvaded after a large portion of our
forces withdrew. So stop the taqqiyah.
> Oh, and the sight of those US helicopters burnt out at Desert One after they
> screwed up in Iran in 1980. the 'elite' Delta Force and US Rangers RUN HOME
> leaving their hostages in Iranian hands.and then had to pay the Iranian
> 'terrrorists' with weapons to get them back later.
You like to twist things around don't you?
> Then there are all the crashed and shot down US helicopters in Grenada.
What crashed and shot down US helicopters in Grenada?
> surely one of the most incompetent military operations of modern times,
> where a huge force of 'elite' US Rangers, paratroops & Marines were
> committed and launched a surprise attack against a group of Grenadan militia
> and a couple of hundred Cuban reservists armed with rifles. The Rangers &
> Airborne promptly got themselves pinned down at the end of Salines runway
> and didn't rescue many of the US 'hostages' for days. A number of US Seal
> and Ranger officers were reportedly in total panic on the ground, including
> one who asked for urgent evacuation of all his wounded men despite the fact
> they had none!
Now you're talking out of your Frog ass.
> The US suffered nearly 200 casualties, not to mention nearly a dozen downed
> helos. Of course, if you watch/read the US version of this little
> engagement, you'd be convinced it was a major US victory, not a total
> shambles as seen in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Sure, sure.
> Oh, and then Lebanon 1983. 251 Marines killed in the barracks bombing,
> appalling, don't get me wrong, but entirely preventable if incompetent US
> Marine commanders had listened to specialist advice telling them that they
> were a truck-bombers dream and had bothered to put in a few obstacles to a
> speeding truck.
And why was there any reason to suspect a truck bomb?
> Oh, by the way, you American readers clearly forget that at
> the same time 241 marines were being blown up, 58 French peacekeepers were
> also killed in much the same way. So what happened next. your own 'tough'
> President Reagan (the same president who paid off the Iranians earlier)
> ordered yet another American PULLOUT, not the French President. and the US
> marines RAN HOME.
> Then on to Somalia. Black Hawk Down. need we say more. more US helicopters
> burning on the ground. more incompetent planning. more 'elite' US Rangers
> panicking. yet another US PULL-OUT.
So where exactly were they burned on the ground?
> Every battle fought by the USA in modern times is told with photos of
> crashed, ditched or burning US helicopters and US soldiers RUNNING HOME with
> their tales between their legs after yet another pull-out or disastrous
> military venture. Iraq will be the same, there can be no political victory,
> even if there was a dubious military one initially. against a bunch of
> poorly equipped Iraqi reservists who really didn't want to fight and with no
> air cover. well done America! What heroes you are. Even when you win a
> battle, you always lose the war through political incompetence.
Shall we look at recent great Frog victories for a change? Ooops, I
forgot! There aren't any.
> So after a quick history review, many of us here find the idea of Americans
> knocking the French for their military prowess highly amusing.
Not I. You incompetent Frog fucks started Vietnam and dragged us into
it. You incompetent Frog fucks really fucked up in Algeria, Angola,
etc. etc. etc.
> The US "Rangers Lead The Way" motto is clearly missing its last word. "HOME".
> The French army won't commit till they have some proper rules of engagement.
> simple military common sense. but then, we can't expect our US readers to
> understand that can we?
Frogs like nothing better than having a clear path to run home to.
> Iran 1980 (Desert One), US & France in Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia 1993...
> all examples of the US RUNNING HOME after starting a fight... we will see
> what happens in Iraq, but you`ve already long lost that one politically...
So tell us how long before Frogland becomes a muzzie country? 5 years?
10 years? And you stupid fucks won't lift a finger to prevent it. Yeah,
stupid cheese-eating surrender monkies alright.
What's the matter, Froggie boy? Can handle the truth?
Lets not forget what happened in 1940. Half the French army just lay
down and surrendered to the Germans. And this was done while in defense
of their national soil. Talk about incompetence and cowardice, the
French are rife with it. So how could anyone in their right mind take
these odious, garlic eating, cravens seriously.
BTW, who openly collaborated with the Nazis after they got their asses
kicked? Answer- THE FRENCH!
The French are a disgrace to their Western European Heritage. The
spirits of Charles Martell, Roland and Charlemagne are long dead never
be resurrected.
Ragnar
Truth we can handle, stupid post like yours will be laugh at.
:D
Montesquiou wrote:
> "I Hate muzzies" <rum...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1156130630.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> We don't call them cheese-eating surrender monkies for nothing!
>
>
As always, the Americans who are writing in here 'bashing' the French are
showing the typically appalling American grasp of history. and forget that
it is the good ol' US of A that has the best track record for running away
from war.
Angola ?! What do you know to French history to talk about Angola ? It
was a Portuguese colony, not a French one
Talk about incompetence
Regards,
Pierre
Say, how come they are Frog possessions when the British discovered
them?
I am glad that you are having a laugh at something which doesn't exist.
We all have to laugh at something...
So, what's on the menu tonight? Be overrun by radical Muslims or
extreme Zionists? Sorry, I will past on both thank you - doing a diet
right now.
> Oh, and the sight of those US helicopters burnt out at Desert One after
> they
> screwed up in Iran in 1980. the 'elite' Delta Force and US Rangers RUN
> HOME
> leaving their hostages in Iranian hands.and then had to pay the Iranian
> 'terrrorists' with weapons to get them back later.
> Then there are all the crashed and shot down US helicopters in Grenada.
> surely one of the most incompetent military operations of modern times,
> where a huge force of 'elite' US Rangers, paratroops & Marines were
> committed and launched a surprise attack against a group of Grenadan
> militia
> and a couple of hundred Cuban reservists armed with rifles. The Rangers &
> Airborne promptly got themselves pinned down at the end of Salines runway
> and didn't rescue many of the US 'hostages' for days. A number of US Seal
> and Ranger officers were reportedly in total panic on the ground,
> including
> one who asked for urgent evacuation of all his wounded men despite the
> fact
> they had none!
> The US suffered nearly 200 casualties, not to mention nearly a dozen
> downed
> helos. Of course, if you watch/read the US version of this little
> engagement, you'd be convinced it was a major US victory, not a total
> shambles as seen in the eyes of the rest of the world.
> Oh, and then Lebanon 1983. 251 Marines killed in the barracks bombing,
> appalling, don't get me wrong, but entirely preventable if incompetent US
> Marine commanders had listened to specialist advice telling them that they
> were a truck-bombers dream and had bothered to put in a few obstacles to a
> speeding truck.
> Oh, by the way, you American readers clearly forget that at
> the same time 241 marines were being blown up, 58 French peacekeepers were
> also killed in much the same way. So what happened next. your own 'tough'
> President Reagan (the same president who paid off the Iranians earlier)
> ordered yet another American PULLOUT, not the French President. and the US
> marines RAN HOME.
> Then on to Somalia. Black Hawk Down. need we say more. more US helicopters
> burning on the ground. more incompetent planning. more 'elite' US Rangers
> panicking. yet another US PULL-OUT.
> Every battle fought by the USA in modern times is told with photos of
> crashed, ditched or burning US helicopters and US soldiers RUNNING HOME
> with
> their tales between their legs after yet another pull-out or disastrous
> military venture. Iraq will be the same, there can be no political
> victory,
> even if there was a dubious military one initially. against a bunch of
> poorly equipped Iraqi reservists who really didn't want to fight and with
> no
> air cover. well done America! What heroes you are. Even when you win a
> So after a quick history review, many of us here find the idea of
> Americans
> knocking the French for their military prowess highly amusing.
Not I. You incompetent Frog fucks started Vietnam and dragged us into
it. You incompetent Frog fucks really fucked up in Algeria, Angola,
etc. etc. etc.
****
Angola !!!!
BWAAHHH
You are Amerikan, I presume....
LOL
*****
> The US "Rangers Lead The Way" motto is clearly missing its last word.
> "HOME".
> The French army won't commit till they have some proper rules of
> engagement.
> simple military common sense. but then, we can't expect our US readers to
> understand that can we?
Then you must be happy to admit you're cheese-eating surrender monkey.
Maybe YOU could answer the question, eh?
RT
It isn't a question. The U.S. would never send any troops to Lebanon or
any U.N. missions in the region. It hasn't for decades.
No one, including the Arabs, has a problem with this. Rightly or
wrongly, the U.S. is seen as being allied with Israel, and moreover is a
main target of Arab terrorists. It is never even considered as a source
of troops for U.N. operations in Gaza, West Bank, or Lebanon.
--
Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing.
-- Wernher Von Braun
Oh lovely. Puton the gloves redneck and let me see you get your arse
thoroughly kicked by Pat O'Beur if he deigns to reply to the obvious
idiot you are.
<Redneck>
Don't speak fucking Spanish Frog asshole
</Redneck>
Pat O'Beur wrote:
> http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=13133
>
> And those two Fuck-News clowns trying to make sense of something, that had
> none! No wonder, the US is already the laughing stock of the world.
> Can't beleive you picked up such an idiot for a president.
>
> LMAO, May the Flying Spaghetti Monster save you all.
Habla usted espanol, gringo?
And nobody feels sorry for cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Especially
after the muzzies take over!
Pat O'Beur wrote:
> Pardon me, but you've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn.
I'm sad to report that my uncle gave his life on the shores of france in
1945 so that france could be liberated from the clutches of Hitler's facist
regime. He along with scores of other Canadian, British and Americans gave
their lives in that cause and today france does nothing for america -
nothing but spit in our face.
"Pat O'Beur" <Pat.O'Be...@frogland.fr> wrote in message
news:ecknss$ikm$1...@news.datemas.de...
> Gary Rumain typed:
>
>> lol!!! Coming from a cheese-eating surrender monkey who can't quote who
>> he's replying to, that's funny!
>
> LOL! Coming from a top-poster redneck top it's hilarious. For your own
> information I never quote Emu. His stupidity is contagious. Oooops! I
> really feeel sorry for you.
>
> --
> "God creates hurricanes because he's angry about gay marriage."
> (-Rev. Robertson-)
>
I have better : My uncle gave his life on the shores of America in 1781 with
Rochambeau...
With his dear French comrades he gave his live in that cause and today USA
does nothing for France - Nothing but spit in our face as you are doing.
Very sad.
> the "french", an they don't deserve a capitalized letter are the most
> ungrateful, ungracious and have the shortest memories of any race on earth.
>
> I'm sad to report that my uncle gave his life on the shores of france in
> 1945
it was it 1944
> so that france could be liberated from the clutches of Hitler's facist
> regime
who came to power with the help of the US, like Saddam, and the
Talibans, and Noriega, Stroessner, and so many othersŠ
> . He along with scores of other Canadian, British and Americans gave
> their lives in that cause and today france does nothing for america -
> nothing but spit in our face.
>
You forgot : we also fuck you.
It is very unfair to remember the Americans how ignorant they are.
His uncle was late because some one told him that France was in South
America.
>
>> so that france could be liberated from the clutches of Hitler's facist
>> regime
>
> who came to power with the help of the US, like Saddam, and the
> Talibans, and Noriega, Stroessner, and so many othersS
Your uncle? Wow, you muxt be a very old fart by now!
> With his dear French comrades he gave his live in that cause and today USA
> does nothing for France - Nothing but spit in our face as you are doing.
> Very sad.
Eat some cheese and drink your beaujoulais.
Saddam did not "come to power" with the help of the US. He staged a
coup on his own. And the Taliban were supported by Pakistan. And the US
overthrew pineapple face.
> > . He along with scores of other Canadian, British and Americans gave
> > their lives in that cause and today france does nothing for america -
> > nothing but spit in our face.
> >
> You forgot : we also fuck you.
Yeah, fuck you.
>Your uncle? Wow, you muxt be a very old fart by now!
Of course, dear friend, of couse.
<Montesquiou> wrote in message
news:44ef51cb$0$25920$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
Pat O'Beur wrote:
> Gary Rumain typed:
>
> > Since when do cheese-eating surrender monkeys give a damn?
>
> A new kind of monkeys in the cage next to yours? Which means next time
> I'll visit you, I'll have to pay admitance?
Pat O'Beur wrote:
> Gary Rumain typed:
>
> > How often do they let you out of your cage, monkey boy?
>
> Sheeesh... not very imaginative, Skippy :( But what could we expect from
> such a dimwit like you?
> If you were to kill everybody who think you're a brainless redneck, it
> wouldn't be murder; it would be genocide! No wonder you're still part of
> the 30% who still don't get it. LOL!!!
>
> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1686/510/1600/ATT150010.0.jpg
>
> BTW: Stop top posting you idiot!
>
> >
> > Pat O'Beur wrote:
> >> Gary Rumain typed:
> >>
> >> > Since when do cheese-eating surrender monkeys give a damn?
> >>
> >> A new kind of monkeys in the cage next to yours? Which means next time
> >> I'll visit you, I'll have to pay admitance?
>
Pat O'Beur wrote:
> Gary Rumain typed:
>
> > Oh, poor froggy monkey is pissed off! lol!!!
> > http://b0.b0.free.fr/modules/gallery/images/65_pissed_off_monkey.jpg
>
> once again no surprise here... but how could you? you're just pitifull!
>
> OK, I've just moved you from the category of
> *amusing-brainless-top-poster-redneck* to *will-be-completely-ignored*
>
> http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allezhop1ha.jpg
Then rightards should quit whining about how many France is sending.
RT
Aha, I knew you had some type of agenda.
It is pretty sad when you try to use something to further your own
agenda, and you find out it doesn't really apply, then you try
to use it anyway. It shows you aren't even making the pretense
of being logical -- you just shout out your condemnations and
go. Sounds like you might be just another anti.
Most antis are just anti, and this provides a platform for them to
posture, shout, and second-guess. They have no suggestions for
accomplishing anything positive, and they never address the issue at
hand. All they do is point fingers at the west to try and excuse the
failings of the Muslims (or previously the Communists).
As a group, you can count on the fact that the vast majority of antis
have never actually accomplished anything. You can find them marking
time in any number of not-too-demanding jobs, complaining about their
boss and the institutions which put food on their table, and complaining
about how they just aren't given the recognition they deserve. Despite
their lack of accomplishment, they feel competent to second-guess those
that have done something.
--
I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90%
how I react to it. And so it is for you... we are in charge
of our attitudes. -- Charles Swindoll
and why the muslims will win
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_tactics
America and Israel will bleed to death before they learn to read
Nothing can save them now
Pointing out rightard whining and hypocrisy is an aenda? If you say so ;)