Dirty politics: Thy name is Awol Bush

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FACT SHEET:

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina, Bush
supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag candidate."
Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict
Wife. Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina
was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain
was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug
addict." [Ivins column, The Nation, 6/18/01]

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain's Temper. "A smear
campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the
presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate
Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are
spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested
in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW
in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he
shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons." [Drew op-ed, Washington Post,
11/19/99]

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain's Sanity. "Some of George W. Bush's
supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's
fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of
war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time." [Lansing State Journal,
11/23/99]

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain's Daughter. Bush
supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that
McCain had a "black child." The McCains' daughter, Bridget, was adopted
from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist
Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains "are still seething about Bush
supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted
daughter." [Time, 3/6/00; Boston Globe, 3/4/00; Dowd column, New York Times,
8/9/00]

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With
Black Prostitute. In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of
spreading rumors against McCain, such as "suggestions that McCain had
committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a
black prostitute," according to the New Yorker. [New Yorker, 5/12/03]

a.. After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded
He Was Behind It. A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a
series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts,
allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too
gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower's involvement in a
kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The
article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against
McCain in South Carolina, including that "McCain may be unstable as a result
of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam." (DMN, 12/2/99)
After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH
airport, "nose to nose" according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater
had "harmed his reputation," Slater later noted. But according to one
witness, "What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter
concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain." [The Nation,
3/5/01]
b.. Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold's Chief
Opponent. Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with
Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell's effort to fight the
McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to
Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from
McConnell on the issue, "sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in
close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land
mines." [Newsweek, 2/25/02]
Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain. College of
Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a
woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and
that the caller misrepresented McCain's positions and asked if Latsko knew
McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the
savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling
contractor on Bush's Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign
has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush
spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was
important that the Republican Party remember McCain's role in the S&L
crisis. [Houston Chronicle, 2/8/00]

a.. Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls. Tucker Eskew, Bush's
South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls,
but claimed they were not "push polls." Eskew added, "Show me a baseless
comment in those questions." [Post and Courier, 2/8/00]
Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as "Manchurian Candidate."
"In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going
after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job
against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years
as a Vietnam POW, with 'the Manchurian Candidate.'" [Dionne op-ed,
Washington Post, 4/27/04]

a.. Sampley Called McCain a "Coward" and a Traitor. "Sampley. accused
McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating
with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by
the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets." [Salon.com]

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Albert

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is spending $$$$ Tens of Milliions $$$$ to help Kerry in the elections.
Of COurse the Media totally ignores this gross outrage in 527
contributions and instead focuses on a measly $ 150 K spent by a Bush
supporter.

bernard spilman

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Moveon.org was started to punish your traitorous attack
on another president (which they did quite effectively).
Moveon.org was formed four years before Kerry even
had a campaign organization. The swift boat shits were
formed at the behest of the Bush campaign specifically to
slander John Kerry. You cannot compare the two.
Oh, wait, if you can compare an AWOL coward to a
decorated war veteran, maybe you can.
WS

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Roncy

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"bernard spilman" <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Moveon.org was started to punish your traitorous attack
> on another president (which they did quite effectively).
> Moveon.org was formed four years before Kerry even
> had a campaign organization. The swift boat shits were
> formed at the behest of the Bush campaign specifically to
> slander John Kerry. You cannot compare the two.
> Oh, wait, if you can compare an AWOL coward to a
> decorated war veteran, maybe you can.
> WS
>
>

> "the Kerryslandering Ketchup Kommunist" <IHateAmer...@webtv.net>

wrote in message
> news:UIadnX35y8h...@adelphia.com...
> >
> > is spending $$$$ Tens of Milliions $$$$ to help Kerry in the
elections.
> > Of COurse the Media totally ignores this gross outrage in 527
> > contributions and instead focuses on a measly $ 150 K spent by a Bush
> > supporter.

Pay no attention to the Kerryslandering Ketchup Krackpot. KKK's immature
spamtrums lack both truth and sanity.

Hanoi Jane Fonda

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Michael Moore's Magic Kingdom! Liberals Hate America!!!

By Daniel G. Jennings
June 6, 2003

In the last two months patriotic Americans have become increasingly
disgusted with the behavior of one Michael Moore, a documentary
filmmaker considered a genius by the Hollywood establishment. Average
Americans were outraged with Moore's vicious attack on President Bush
at the Academy Awards, yet he received the best Oscar Award for his
documentary "Bowling for Columbine" (which blamed the Columbine High
School Massacre on the U.S. military).

Now if that wasn't bad enough the geniuses at the Walt Disney Company
have given Moore the green light (that is financed) his next
masterpiece "Fahrenheit 911." This abomination will try to show
audiences that the US government and President Bush were somehow to
blame for Osama Bin Laden and the Sept. 11 atrocity.

Why, we must ask ourselves does Hollywood love Michael Moore and keep
bankrolling his brand of lunacy? For several reasons, which reveal the
hypocrisy, lack of morality and sheer stupidity of the ignorant,
uneducated, bigoted, greedy and arrogant elite that runs our
entertainment industry.

The first reason Disney is bankrolling this nonsense is a simple one:
it amounts to pure profit. Moore's documentary will cost only a couple
of million bucks to produce. (A million for Moore, a few hundred
thousand more for actual production costs.) Yet it could bring tens of
millions of dollars of profit into the cash strapped Disney empire.
"Fahrenheit 911" will surely attract large numbers of arrogant left
wing intellectuals to art house movie theaters around the US. These
people will pour in and pay $8 or $10 a pop to see Moore's nonsense.
Even if it earns only ten or twenty million bucks in domestic release,
it'll generate a nice chunk of change for Disney.

There's also the shock factor here, Disney executives seeing the big
money brought in by reality TV and the MTV Jackass movie may hope that
the shocking nature of Moore's film will attract viewers. They think
maybe they can create a profitable brand of reality movies by
promoting controversial propaganda that makes absurd and shocking
conclusions. These executives may hope that lots of people buy tickets
simply to see if the rumors about Moore and his movie are true.

Then there's the overseas market. This horrendous documentary will
undoubtedly attract huge audiences in Europe, the Middle East, Russia,
China and other places will large numbers of people hate us. It'll
pack them in, in Cairo and Paris and Beijing and make more money over
there. More importantly it'll establish Disney's reputation as a
staunchly anti-American company overseas. Deflecting the mouse factory
from terrorist violence and boycotts.

The second reason for Disney and Hollywood's embrace of Moore is one
of convenience rather than ideology. In recent years, Hollywood has
taken a lot of flack for promoting violence. The Columbine gunmen seem
to have inspired by violent films like the Matrix. al-Qaeda and other
violent Islamic
fanatics have also been inspired to a high degree by violent Hollywood
movies. American action films make big money in the Arab world. The
same young men who blow themselves and Americans up love to watch
videos of really violent films like the Matrix and Rambo. The anti
Americanism of many of these movies, (such as the plot line of the
X-Men sequel X-2 in which U.S. military personnel are shown as Nazi
type storm troops who terrorize innocent children and plot genocide)
are a blatant attempt to market these
movies to American hating young people overseas.

Sadly enough, only one person in Hollywood seemed to draw the obvious
connection between these violent fantasies and the Sept. 11 events.
The iconoclastic film maker Robert Altman (best known as the creator
of the movie version of "MASH") said Hollywood's big budget action
movies helped inspire the 9 11 terrorists. Altman is a cantankerous
gadfly who long ago cut his ties with the Hollywood establishment. Not
surprisingly, Altman wasn't invited to the podium to pick up the Oscar
for best director for his latest film, "Gosford Park," despite his
long and distinguished career.

If large segments of the public can be convinced that the evil
military industrial complex is responsible for the violence. Hollywood
is off the hook. It doesn't have to worry about censorship, boycotts
and government interference. Hollywood celebrities don't have to clean
up their act and start behaving responsibly. Executives don't have to
change plot lines or stop making profitable movies that might be too
violent or offensive.

Since Hollywood's leaders can't come out and say these things
publicly, (this would attract too much attention to Tinseltown's
promotion of violence and anti-Americanism). The movie industry
quietly finances propagandists like Moore who spread its sick message
in a quiet almost underground campaign of lies.

Finally by bankrolling Moore, the Hollywood elitists can feel like
radicals and intellectuals rather than pampered and greedy
entertainers. When average Americans criticize them they can feel like
activists suffering for the cause rather than rich hypocrites. They
can feel morally superior to the rest of us when they are clearly
morally inferior to average people.

It is time that average Americans gave Michael Moore and his superiors
in Hollywood the attention they deserve: no attention. For the best
way to put a stop to buffoons like Michael Moore is to ignore their
antics. If Moore's little exercise in Hate America propaganda has no
effect Hollywood will stop bankrolling such nonsense.

--
"If we invade Iraq, there's a United Nations estimate that says,
'There will be up to a half a million people killed or wounded.'" -
America-Hater Janeane Garofalo

Psalm 110

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:32:13 -0500, "Albert" <boo...@boo.com> wrote:

>http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
>
>
>
>
>
>FACT SHEET:
>
>Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
>Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina, Bush
>supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag candidate."
>Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
>subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
>people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
>Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]

Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
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LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."

NEWS - August 21, 2004
**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040821kerry,1,7582568.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
**
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney

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The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:

### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:

Scaife thrall organization and Scaife leash-dollars put in it:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 6,000 for
"Heritage Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000
http://tinyurl.com/68tqj GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for
"American Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000
http://tinyurl.com/3tg26 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,880 for
"Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs GOOGLE.COM Results Results about 2,590 for
"Citizens for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500
http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for "Cato
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"National Center for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000
http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,670 for
"Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"Competitive Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,480 for
"American Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000
http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,440 for
"Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000
http://tinyurl.com/46hys GOOGLE.COM Results Results 5,240 for "Media
Research Center" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000
http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,450 for
"Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000
http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,200 for "Media
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.

### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <
http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>

***
http://tinyurl.com/55jrwGOOGLE.COM Results 42,600 for "Washington
Times" Swift boat OR Boats.

SUN MYUNG MOON uses "CHURCH PROPERTY", helps create 42,600 webpages
circulating LIES.

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"Psalm 110" <Lying_SwiftVets@Go_to_Jail.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:52:37 -0400, "the Kerryslandering Ketchup
Kommunist" <IHateAmer...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >is spending $$$$ Tens of Milliions $$$$
>

> Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
> HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
> connections
>
> LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
> ** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
> president George W. Bush resigned
> ** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
> "Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
> ** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
> -- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
> by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
> Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
> ** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
> time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
> advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
> longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
> veterans steering committee.
> ** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
> chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
> group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
> OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."
>

Pay no attention to the Kerryslandering Ketchup Krybaby. KKK throws its
immature spamtrums because KKK has nothing of any relevance to say.

Hanoi Jane Fonda

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Foolish John Fing Kerry. Just another stupid liberal!

From:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040621/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_11&printer=1

"Only John Kerry would declare the country to be in scientific decline
on a day when the country's first privately funded space trip is
successfully completed," Schmidt said, referring to the first flight
of a privately financed manned rocket over California.

Hanoi Jane Fonda

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KERRY IS A MEAN AND HUMORLESS SOURPUSS!

Proving once again how out-of-touch and pathetic his campaign has
become, John Kerry is now whining about a joke that President Bush
made Wednesday night at the 60th annual Radio and Television
Correspondents' dinner. This is a traditionally non-partisan
gathering presidents usually attend that is
known for comedy and people poking fun at themselves.

At the dinner, President Bush gave a speech in which he presented a
slideshow of various self-incriminating pictures, and he gave a
description of each. In one of the photos, Bush is seen looking
underneath a couch and he said "Those weapons of mass destruction have
got to be somewhere." The
crowd erupted in laughter, and everyone got the joke. The segment was
replayed on the morning news shows, and everyone laughed and got the
joke. That is, except Democratic sourpuss John Kerry, who didn't find
it a bit funny. It looks like 'ole Lurch's skiing vacation didn't do
a thing to loosen him up. He should really get that checked out.

Offended that someone else might actually be having some fun, the
Kerry campaign released a statement last night: "If George Bush thinks
his deceptive rationale for going to war is a laughing matter, then
he's even more out of touch than we thought." Boy, this guy would be
no fun at a party. Unfortunately for Senator Kerry, he is the one
that is out of touch. Everyone else thought it was funny.

I guess we just learned that John Kerry can't take a joke. Poor baby.

But wait! This just in! Kerry is upset about Bush's jokes at the
correspondent's dinner. But what about Kerry's joke back in 1998?
Matt Drudge has come up with a little joke that Kerry told back then
about the
first Bush administration. Kerry said: "Somebody told me the other
day that the Secret Service has orders that if George Bush is shot,
they're to shoot Quayle. There isn't any press here, is there?"

So ... Bush makes a joke about searching for weapons of mass
destruction in his office, and that's a real bad thing to John Kerry.
But it's quite OK for Kerry to make jokes about assassinating the Vice
President.

I think I get it now. This politics thing is sooooo confusing.

--
Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.

Liberals HATE America!

Richard Burns

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Aug 22, 2004, 10:17:39 PM8/22/04

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Have any more sources for that joke
besides Matt Drudge?

Kerry has the classic Yankee reserve and detachment,
to be sure. He's far from perfect.

He even looks like Lurch, to be honest.

That being said, to call Kerry mean is the
height of hypocrisy. Cheney told Patrick Leahy
to "go fuck himself." Are those words fit for
a moral, virtuous American? *snicker*

Humorless? What about the breast-hater John Ashcroft,
who covers up the breasts on "The Spirit of Justice" statue
with a sheet? For a party who seems to promote hetereosexuality
as the only acceptable sexual orientation, they seem to not to want
to engage in actual hetereosexual acts.

Richard.

Bob Barnett

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Aug 22, 2004, 11:43:38 PM8/22/04

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So how does Matt Drudge's cum taste?

God Bless Bush

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Prescott Bush, certified war-time traitor:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C18E61F76

Cowardly George Bush, Draft-Dodger-Turned-Deserter & Chief:
http://www.awolbush.com

Neil Bush, the most moral of the Bush brothers:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/25/bush.brother.reut/

Who was really behind all those pro-war protests:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0325-03.htm

How Saddam got his Anthrax (and other weapons):
http://www.progressive.org/0901/anth0498.html

Enron (and friends) before you ever heard of Enron:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/24/eveningnews/main303149.shtml

1) How Bush won Florida, and 2) the court settlement brother Jeb
signed when he got sued for it:

1)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/palast.ram

2)
http://www.naacp.org/news/electreformsettlement.shtml

How Dick Cheney cashed in on the first Gulf war, helping to rebuild
Iraq for Saddam Hussein:
http://www.progressive.org/wm0900.htm

Bush senior pre-approved Saddam's invasion of Kuwait:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html

Solo

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"Albert" <boo...@boo.com> wrote in message news:<rpmdnQft7Zc...@comcast.com>...
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>snip> a.. Sampley Called McCain a "Coward" and a Traitor. "Sampley. accused

> McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating
> with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by
> the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets." [Salon.com]
>>

Actually, this is what Sampley said about McCain:
http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm

Michael Marxist Moore

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What Happened To Your Queer Party Friends? (Liberals Hate America!)

The BRILLIANT and BEAUTIFUL Ann Coulter!
January 21, 2004

(Attn. Liberals: Insert your usual MEAN, Vicious, hateful personal
attacks HERE if unable to refute a single thing in the article.. as
usual!)

THE ENDLESS receding nightmare of the Iowa caucuses has finally
produced something interesting: The Democrats have one hellacious
catfight on their hands.

After all the hoopla about Howard Dean's new mass movement of
"Deaniacs," it appears that blanketing Iowa with self-righteous
20-year-olds in orange wool caps may not have been the ideal campaign
strategy. Dean's distant third-place finish makes you want to ask him
the question Jack Nicholson put to his down-and-out gay neighbor in
"As Good As It Gets": "What happened to your queer party-friends?"

At the behest of the Democratic Party establishment, the media
dutifully destroyed Howard Dean, the legitimate leader of the
opposition. Democratic voters are so obedient to the media, they
followed their media puppet masters and instantly switched from Dean
to John Kerry.

But Dean still has the money and foot soldiers and endorsements to
stay in the fight for the foreseeable future. And being from Vermont,
Dean should do well in New Hampshire. I went to a public school, but
if I remember my high school geography correctly, New Hampshire and
Vermont are the same state.

Until Kerry won Iowa, Wesley Clark was viewed as the pre-eminent
electable Democrat principally because he's a Republican. Howard Dean
has already said he believes Clark is a fine fellow but truly a
Republican. In response, Gen. Clark immediately put on a third
sweater.

Sadly, it may turn out that Clark's whole raison d'etre is now gone.
Never was so much money, media, chicanery, Gwyneth Paltrow, Madonna,
conniving and Cabala deployed to promote a quote-unquote "electable"
Democrat.

Clark was supposed to be the phony American to stop Dean, but Kerry is
the even better phony American! And he's already stopped Dean in Iowa!

Kerry and Clark now represent the two major wings of the Democratic
Party -- the Kennedy wing and the Clinton wing. One drowns you after
the extramarital affair; the other one calls you a stalker.

Other than that, there isn't a hair's difference between any of the
Democrats on any substantive issues.

All the Democrats are for higher taxes. All of them favor Hillary's
communist health care plan. All of them are for higher pay for
teachers and nurses -- and no pay at all for anyone in the
pharmaceutical or oil
industries, especially Halliburton executives, who should be sent to
Guantanamo. All the Democrats believe the way to strike fear in the
hearts of the terrorists is for the federal government to invest
heavily in
windmills.

All the Democrats oppose the war. And all the Democrats who took a
position on the war before it began were for it, but now believe that
everything Bush did from that moment forward has been bad! bad! bad!
This is with the exception of Joe Lieberman who, as an observant Jew,
is forbidden to backpedal after sundown on Fridays. Representing a
large flabby chunk of the Kennedy wing, Ted Kennedy gave a speech last
week in which he called the liberation of Iraq a "political product."
Then again, Ted Kennedy calls
Chivas Regal "that life-sustaining liquid."

Finally, all the candidates are willing to sell out any of these other
issues in service of the secret burning desire of all Democrats:
abortion on demand. If they could just figure out a way to abort
babies using solar
power, that's all we'd ever hear about.

For all his talk, even Dick Gephardt was willing to abandon
blue-collar workers in a heartbeat. The Teamsters haven't asked for
much, only two big votes in the past decade: (1) Oppose NAFTA, and (2)
support drilling on a small, godforsaken patch of the Alaskan
wilderness, as the people who actually live there have been begging us
to do for decades. Like all the other Democrats, Gephardt voted
against the Teamsters -- but with Barbra Streisand -- to oppose
drilling in the godforsaken Alaskan wilderness.

When Gephardt entered politics he was pro-life. But then, like Al
Gore, Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kucinich and scores of other Democrats
with national ambitions, he quickly figured out that position wasn't,
well ... viable. In short order he had adopted the whole NARAL party
baby-killing line. That's how you woo old-time union Democrats.

On Monday night, Gephardt was shocked to discover that blue-collar
Democrats have gone the way of patriotic Democrats: They're all
Republicans now. (But thanks for that NAFTA vote a decade ago!)

You knew Gephardt was toast when even responsible journalists have
started using words like "decent" and "solid" to describe the
two-faced weasel from Missouri. Though I suppose "decent" has a pretty
broad meaning in a party that still admires Bill Clinton.

The Iowa caucus was just another one of the Democrats' ongoing public
debates about how to fake out the American people. Fifty percent of
Iowa Democrats participating in the caucus said they "strongly
disapprove" of the war with Iraq and another 25 percent "somewhat
disapprove."

But more important to Democrats than their pacifism was
"electability." The entire Iowa electorate was committed to the
proposition: How do we fool the neighbors? In the end, the
caucus-goers chose a decorated war hero who voted in favor of the very
war that 75 percent of them oppose. So much for the
anti-war fever sweeping the country. The Democrats aren't even man
enough to run a genuine coward for president.

George Washington Hayduke

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Hanoi Jane Fonda <hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote:

>KERRY IS A MEAN AND HUMORLESS SOURPUSS!

On the other hand, he's not a neo-Fascist baby killer who launched
an unprovoked war of aggression and genocide against an undefended
country.

+--+
|George W. Bush is a deserter: http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
|Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
+--+

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 23, 2004, 1:09:11 PM8/23/04

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Hanoi Jane Fonda <hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote:

>At the dinner, President Bush gave a speech in which he presented a
>slideshow of various self-incriminating pictures, and he gave a
>description of each. In one of the photos, Bush is seen looking
>underneath a couch and he said "Those weapons of mass destruction have
>got to be somewhere."

Half a million Iraqi children murdered by this brutal monster and
the baby killing Nazi makes jokes about it.

Psalm110

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:47:17 -0400, blithering idiot Hanoi Jane Fonda
<hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> farted his opinion:

Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections

LATEST NEWS - August 23, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/3kt5v Silver Star incident: Langhofer, on other
boat, saw firing from both banks of a river.
** http://tinyurl.com/5bf5k Vets, others call for resignation of
prosecutor in SwiftLies ad
** http://tinyurl.com/63wmp Republican prosecutor Alfred French's lies
on affidavit about events he did not witness.
** http://tinyurl.com/65qsn Republican prosecuter's Anti-Kerry hearsay
is worthless.

August 22 or earlier:
** http://tinyurl.com/4e3y2 BusinessWeek: Flinging the Foul Mud of
Vietnam. John Kerry returned a hero. The smears his political enemies
are now flinging mark them -- not him -- as beneath contempt
** http://tinyurl.com/4yeu7 Kerry also picked up support from Wayne D.
Langhofer, who told The Washington Post he was manning a machine gun
in a boat behind Kerry's and saw firing from both banks of a river as
Kerry dived in to rescue Special Forces soldier James Rassmann, the
basis for Kerry's Bronze Star.

** http://tinyurl.com/6arcy Bush campaign admits "Cordier was a
supporter of the President during the 2000 election and served as a
member of the President's veterans' steering committee during this
election."
** http://tinyurl.com/44t3g Registered Republican SwillBoat Ad Shill
was not there.
** http://tinyurl.com/3rtwt SwillBoat prosecutors presents heresay as
if he was eyewitness.
** http://tinyurl.com/6ubnz SwillBoater claims he has no evidence
** http://tinyurl.com/639as SwiftLie vet working to help re-elect

incumbent president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."

NEWS - August 21, 2004

**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040821kerry,1,7582568.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
**
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney

----------------------------------

*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
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Merrie Spaeth Tex Lezar.
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"Bob Perry"".
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O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news/11015.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991108&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19991108&c=2&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=hfd83c00&fmt=tif&ref=results

http://tinyurl.com/6ocdy GOOGLE.COM Results 5,100 for "Karl Rove"

"Swift Boat".
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http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158396.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158370.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies

http://tinyurl.com/64v3c GOOGLE.COM Results 814 for "Merrie Spaeth"
republican.
http://tinyurl.com/63zvu GOOGLE.COM Results 317 for "Merrie Spaeth"
"Tex Lezar".
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tobacco.
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery

http://tinyurl.com/4vrwq GOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"

Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp

http://tinyurl.com/6l7vn GOOGLE.COM Results 113 for "Harlan Crow"
Holdings.
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8 GOOGLE.COM Results 217 for "Harlan Crow"

swift.
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=79&media_type=TEXT

http://tinyurl.com/6kaso GOOGLE.COM Results 1,630 for "Bob Perry"

swift.
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns

http://tinyurl.com/5z7dd GOOGLE.COM Results 43 for "Stevens Reed

http://tinyurl.com/4ycqd GOOGLE.COM Results 146 for "Regnery

Psalm110

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:10:54 -0400, blithering idiot Hanoi Jane Fonda
<hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> farted his opinion:

??? MEAN AND HUMORLESS SOURPUSS!

Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections

Hanoi Jane Fonda

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Senators link Kerry to Berger scandal and terrorists!

WASHINGTON Two Republican senators yesterday demanded presidential
candidate John Kerry explain the role of Sandy Berger in his campaign,
following revelations the Justice Department is investigating the
former national security adviser for taking highly classified
documents related to the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation out of the
National Archives.

Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., accused Berger of "taking highly classified
documents, stuffing them in his trousers, using them for the Kerry
campaign, and then admitting to destroying those documents."

"He says it was sloppy," said Smith. "I will admit to you, when you
stuff classified legal documents in your briefs, it looks sloppy. But
it may be worse than that. And in fairness to the president of the
United States, it's important that this be followed and pursued so
that the American people can know that the predicate of many of the
charges made against George W. Bush are based upon lies and deception.
And the American people need the truth on these matters."

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said he found it coincidental that the
missing documents had to do with security at airports and seaports -
areas in which Kerry has been critical of Homeland Security policies.

"Now, I would hope that, number one, the Kerry administration would
immediately disavow any connection with Sandy Berger, that they would
come forward with any documents, whether legal or illegal documents,
that have been presented to them by Sandy Berger, and that we can
bring this matter to a close very quickly," Chambliss said. "No
accusations are being made about how they used or if they used these
documents, but this is extremely sensitive, folks, and this involves a
significant breach in our intelligence community, and the Kerry
campaign needs to come forward with the answers to this."

Chambliss went on to point out that after the documents were taken,
"John Kerry held a photo-op and attacked the president on port
security. The documents that were taken may have been utilized for
that press conference. They were then destroyed, according to Mr.
Berger."

"And as a member of the Intelligence Committee, I deal with classified
documents every single day," he said. "We know better. And Sandy
Berger knew better. And for gosh sakes, Senator Kerry knows better
than to utilize those documents in any way, and we think it needs to
be called into question as to whether or not they have."

---------------
Transcript Sunday, August 31, 2003 Meet the Press
Oct. 9, 2002 MSNBC
MR. RUSSERT: I went back and re-read your speech on the floor of the
Senate October 9, and I want to share that with you and our viewers...
SEN. KERRY: Absolutely.
MR. RUSSERT: ...because you repeated many of exactly the same claims
and concerns that President Bush did.
SEN. KERRY: Correct.
MR. RUSSERT: Let’s watch.
(Videotape, October 9, 2002):
SEN. KERRY: Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating agents and is
capable of quickly producing weaponizing of a variety of such agents,
including anthrax, for delivery on a range of vehicles, such as bombs,
missiles, aerial sprayers and covert operatives which would bring them
to the United States itself.
In addition, we know they are developing unmanned aerial vehicles
capable of delivering chemical and biological warfare agents.
According to the CIA’s report, all U.S. intelligence experts agree
that they are seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that
Saddam Hussein wants to develop them.
In the wake of September 11, who among us can say with any certainty
to anybody that the weapons might not be used against our troops or
against allies in the region? Who can say that this master of
miscalculation will not develop a weapon of mass destruction even
greater, a nuclear weapon?

Hanoi Jane Fonda

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Atheists & liberals foolishly deny God

http://www.tencommandments.org/

We know that no Atheist has the ability to author them "Honor your
father and your mother..." "You shall not murder." "You shall not
steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
(Exodus
20:12-13,15,16). Those are just four of God's holy TEN COMMANDMENTS
which He has made every person of mankind responsible to obey (Romans
3:19).

Atheists foolishly deny that God is the Author of the TEN
COMMANDMENTS. They say that they were authored by a human. Some
atheists even deny that the TEN COMMANDMENTS exist (Romans 2:14-15).

So, lets assume (in order to prove a point here) that atheists are
right. If a human author them (and I speak as if insane), then we know
for sure that no atheist, agnostic nor any other unbeliever had sense
enough to author them.

Why is that so? Because atheists are OPPOSED to GOD and His Holy
COMMANDMENTS. And again, some even say the TEN COMMANDMENTS don't
exist. So if a human authored them, it was a person who had far more
intelligence than any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever.

However, the deep wisdom contained in the TEN COMMANDMENTS is far
beyond human capabilities. The deep wisdom and righteousness contained
in them proves their Divine authorship.

pronouced "K'noot" in German

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Aug 23, 2004, 11:15:55 PM8/23/04

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Hanoi Jane Fonda <hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote in
news:i97li09p4gscvufvt...@4ax.com:

> Atheists & liberals foolishly deny God
>
>
> http://www.tencommandments.org/
>
> We know that no Atheist has the ability to author them "Honor your
> father and your mother..." "You shall not murder." "You shall not
> steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
> (Exodus
> 20:12-13,15,16). Those are just four of God's holy TEN COMMANDMENTS
> which He has made every person of mankind responsible to obey (Romans
> 3:19).

Actually, God rewritten them in EXODUS 34:12-27. These are the new and
improved commandments:

1. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants
of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of
thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down
their groves:

2. For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is
Jealous, is a jealous God:

3. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

4. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt
eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib.

5. All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy
cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

6. But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou
redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck.

7. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.

8. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat
harvest.

9. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither
shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the
morning.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

> Atheists foolishly deny that God is the Author of the TEN
> COMMANDMENTS. They say that they were authored by a human. Some
> atheists even deny that the TEN COMMANDMENTS exist (Romans 2:14-15).

Well, actually, the Jews copied them from ancient Sumer/Babylonia
http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.3/431.html

> So, lets assume (in order to prove a point here) that atheists are
> right. If a human author them (and I speak as if insane), then we know
> for sure that no atheist, agnostic nor any other unbeliever had sense
> enough to author them.

So let's assume that Edison invented the light bulb, then we know for
sure that no human had sense enough to invent the light bulb.

> Why is that so? Because atheists are OPPOSED to GOD and His Holy
> COMMANDMENTS. And again, some even say the TEN COMMANDMENTS don't
> exist. So if a human authored them, it was a person who had far more
> intelligence than any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever.
>
> However, the deep wisdom contained in the TEN COMMANDMENTS is far
> beyond human capabilities. The deep wisdom and righteousness contained
> in them proves their Divine authorship.

I hope you find your way out of your insanity. Try embracing secular
humanism. Or just sit and think for a while, like I did.

BTW, I am not an atheist, agnostic or unbeliever. I believe in God, just
not one that gives commandments.

Psalm 110

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:24:21 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmm...@N0TSPAM.0RG> twrote

> What Happened To Your

beber

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Aug 24, 2004, 9:49:26 AM8/24/04

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:43:45 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda
<hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote:

>Atheists & liberals foolishly deny God
>
>
>http://www.tencommandments.org/
>
>We know that no Atheist has the ability to author them "Honor your
>father and your mother..." "You shall not murder." "You shall not
>steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
>(Exodus
>20:12-13,15,16). Those are just four of God's holy TEN COMMANDMENTS
>which He has made every person of mankind responsible to obey (Romans
>3:19).
>

Dogs have the same rules; they are embedded in the protoplasm.

Justice Cow

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In article <aqhmi0132kbv81krt...@4ax.com>,
beber <be...@gbta.net> wrote:

I want to go to the heaven dogs go to.

--
http://tinyurl.com/6t6c3

lab~rat

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Aug 24, 2004, 1:27:42 PM8/24/04

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:10:15 -0400, Justice Cow
<justi...@hotmail.cow> puked:

You just want to have your leg humped...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

Phil Trevorrow

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"Albert" <boo...@boo.com> wrote in message
news:rpmdnQft7Zc...@comcast.com...

> http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
>
> FACT SHEET:
>
> Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
> Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina,
Bush
> supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag
candidate."
> Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
> subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
> people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
> Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]

That is true, he did a smear campaign against McCain. I don't remember why
or how it started but it seems to me every candidate running on both sides
of the fence have used this tactic. Nothing new there. The rest of you post
was too absurd to even reply to.

But you want to talk dirty politics? Lets talk about Michael Moore and
moveon.org. Michael Moore puts out a completely bogus movie, calls it a
documentary, and all the liberals stand up and start cheering. Then there's
moveon.org which has been running character assassinations against Bush and
anyone else who disagrees with them for well over a year now. Moveon.org has
raised tens of millions of dollars from Democratic supporters. So along
comes the swift boat vets who raise half a million dollars and put out their
own commercial that sheds Kerry in a not so pretty light and suddenly the
left is screaming dirty politics and demanding Bush condemn the ads. Why
didn't Kerry condemn the film by Moore? Why didn't the Democrats cry dirty
politics over that? How come Kerry hasn't condemned moveon.org and asked
that they stop? Why? it's called Hypocrisy.

--
"The trouble with our liberal friends isn't that they're ignorant; its just
that they know so much that isn't so". - Ronald Reagan

"If liberals were prevented from ever again calling Republicans dumb, they
would be robbed of half their arguments. To be sure, they would still have
"racist," "fascist," "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced
arguments in the quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple
them." - Ann Coulter

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 24, 2004, 1:48:01 PM8/24/04

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"bernard spilman" <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RxSVc.50$eu1....@twister.southeast.rr.com...

> Moveon.org was started to punish your traitorous attack
> on another president (which they did quite effectively).
> Moveon.org was formed four years before Kerry even
> had a campaign organization. The swift boat shits were
> formed at the behest of the Bush campaign specifically to
> slander John Kerry. You cannot compare the two.
> Oh, wait, if you can compare an AWOL coward to a
> decorated war veteran, maybe you can.
> WS

LMAO. Of course it's not fair. Only the Democrats can do that. Clinton
committed purgery which is a federal crime. If you or I lied to a grand jury
we'd still be in prison. Bush had absolutely nothing to do with the forming
of the swift boat vets. Oh wait, moveon.org was formed to slander the
Republicans but that's different.

Miles Long

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

> "Albert" <boo...@boo.com> wrote in message
> news:rpmdnQft7Zc...@comcast.com...
>
>>http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
>>
>>FACT SHEET:
>>
>>Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
>>Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina,
>
> Bush
>
>>supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag
>
> candidate."
>
>>Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
>>subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
>>people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
>>Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]
>
>
> That is true, he did a smear campaign against McCain. I don't remember why
> or how it started but it seems to me every candidate running on both sides
> of the fence have used this tactic. Nothing new there. The rest of you post
> was too absurd to even reply to.
>
> But you want to talk dirty politics? Lets talk about Michael Moore and
> moveon.org. Michael Moore puts out a completely bogus movie,

Oh Phil. You were doing so well up until here! <laughing> You
just punked your own self with Miles' First Law:

Faulty Premise = Invalid Conclusion

Damn, and you were so close. Please list below, all assertions in
Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 that you personally observed to be false,
otherwise everyone here is going to believe you're just some Right
leaning spokes person's bitch.

Miles "The Dumbing Down of America Claims Another Victim" Long

Bogus points of F911:

1.

GW AWOL Chimpzilla

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

> "Albert" <boo...@boo.com> wrote in message
> news:rpmdnQft7Zc...@comcast.com...
>> http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html
>>
>> FACT SHEET:
>>
>> Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
>> Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina,
> Bush
>> supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag
> candidate."
>> Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
>> subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
>> people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
>> Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]
>
> That is true, he did a smear campaign against McCain. I don't remember why
> or how it started but it seems to me every candidate running on both sides
> of the fence have used this tactic. Nothing new there.

Show me where McCain smeared Bush. Abu Ghraib: Nothing new here.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3

Karl Johanson

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Aug 24, 2004, 4:42:06 PM8/24/04

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> >> >Atheists & liberals foolishly deny God

Matt.5:22 "Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell
fire."

Karl Johanson

Justice Cow

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In article <jttmi0l89s72r6bf5...@4ax.com>,
lab~rat <ch...@cheese.net> wrote:

I've got it all figured out. there's no leg humping in heaven because
dogs get laid all they want.

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MOONIES for Bush

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:02:04 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda
<hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> twrote

> Two Republican senators yesterday

Bush Pal SUN MYUNG MOON's Nuke-Tech to ATHEIST North Korea.

The issue is NOT purple hearts in Viet Nam, but Black Hearts in
Washington D.C.

George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave nuclear weapons submarine
sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994. That technology now
permits North Korea sea-platform launched missiles to hit continental
USA. Bush and Moon are collaborating on "SwiftVet" smear dirty tricks,
using Moon's Washington Times and UPI news operations to peddle felony
frauds.

SUN MYUNG MOON gave North Korea NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEMS.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html

Sun Myung Moon's Japanese Toen Trading company delivered 12 Russian
Golf missile submarines with launch tubes intact. The North Korean
communists studied this technology and adapted their missiles to be
sea launched from surface and submarine platforms. North Korea now has
nuclear weapon strike capability which can reach the continental
United States from sea-based mobile launch facilities at distances of
2,500 miles. This website has clickable links to Sun Myung Moon
subversion sources, documentation, proof.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html

LINKS -- NK sea-missile capability: http://www.navyseals.com
http://www.janes.com http://www.reuters.co.uk http://news.bbc.co.uk
http://www.washingtontimes.com http://www.newscientist.com
http://www.townhall.com http://www.freerepublic.com
http://www.libertyforum.org http://www.theage.com.au
http://www.iht.com http://www.latimes.com

LINKS -- North Korean-born Sun Myung Moon's Toen Trading Submarine
Subversion: http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.usasurvival.org
http://www.gorenfeld.net http://www.davidicke.net
http://blog.mmadsen.org http://www.kenlayne.com
http://www.pandagon.net http://jameswagner.com
http://functionalambivalent.typepad.com http://www.la-mancha.net
http://windsofchange.net http://thoughtcrimes.org http://www.vuw.ac.nz

Sun Myung Moon owns the Washington Times newspaper, and he owns the
UPI (United Press International) wireservice. He controls the main
Washington DC conservative propaganda mill. The Washington Times has
been subsidized by over a billion dollars of moonie slave labor. Every
time that a republican politician quotes the Washington Times, or
writes an article or op-ed in it, Sun Myung Moon is made larger in his
brainwashed follower's eyes. Conservatives are so desperate for
propaganda for their agenda that they willingly aid and abet Sun Myung
Moon's organized crime activities in exchange for the help his
organized crime front operations deliver to them.

Sun Myung Moon has paid ex-presidents, such as George Herbert Walker
Bush up to $10,000,000 for photo-op and endorsements, because his
virtually captive followers have very restricted access to news. They
are told that everybody Moon shakes hands with has accepted Moon as
their lord and savior. This global slave labor force replenishes a $10
million expense for faked stage setting photo-op in a couple of days.

LINKS about Moonies, Bush, Washinton Times connections:
The Moonies: Everything you wanted to know about Sun Myung Moon and
the Unification Church
Moonie and Related Links

* The Right Wing Media Conspiracy - How the Moonies and right wing
groups control the media
* Moonies and the Washington Times - The mouthpiece of Sun Myung
Moon
* Is George Bush a Moonie? - Bush takes $100,000 to endorse the
Moonies
* Inside Look at the Moonies - Great article I snagged
* Moonie Front Organizations - 1000 organization that are Moonie
fronts
* Consortium News - Very good articles about Moonies and other
right wingers
* Bush and Moon - US CIA and Korean CIA?? GHW Bush Praises Sun
Myung Moon as 'Man of Vision'
* Sun Myung Moon - "the Savior, Messiah and King of Kings of all
of humanity"
* The Bush-Kim-Moon Triangle of Money - the political largesse of
Sun Myung Moon.

Sun Myung Moon crowned as Second Coming in DC

The news of a very strange event that occurred at the end of March,
but was quietly swept under the carpet by the mainstream media, is
just now beginning to leak out. Expect to hear more about it in the
coming days. Here's a preview on what surely must be one of the most
bizarre happenings in the long history of Congressional oddities...

It occurred on March 23, 2004 when Reverend Sun Myung Moon, cultist
leader of the Unification Church (currently known as The Family
Federation for World Peace and Unification), was crowned "King of
Peace" in a coronation ceremony. In his coronation speech, Moon told
the audience that it was now time to officially recognize him as the
returned Messiah.

LINKS:
Moon Crowned in the Capital, [Unification Church] Sun Myung Moon
Crowned 'King Of America' At U.S. Senate Building, Hail to the Moon
king, Moon Over Washington, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah By
Congressmen, Sun Myung Moon crowned as Messiah by U.S. Senate! Moonie
leader 'crowned' in Senate, Sun Myung Moon Crowned Messiah! U.S.
Lawmakers Crown rev. Sun Myung Moon Messiah! Here's a guy the
Republicans don't want us to know about. (Actually, it was a democrat
conservative, to the great relief of republican conservatives, who
placed the crown on Moon, in this hoax ceremony. In Moon's world he
replaces all governments with his Taliban, so Republicans and
Democrats all will be liquidated.

The quaint mass marriage ceremonies of the Moonies has another
significance: these represent thousands upon thousand upon thousands
of members of an organized crime empire, as dedicated as body-bomb
suicide muslims, to the eccentric whims of this visibly insane man.
Moonies surreptitiously swell rallies for rightwing causes, clog the
internet forums with their unshakable propaganda-mongering which
cannot be reasoned with, vote as a block and move across state lines
to do it. They even move across international boundaries to meddle in
politics.

Moonies also collaborate with other organized crime rings for mutal
profit.

MOONIES for Bush

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On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:43:45 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda
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> So, lets assume (in order to prove a point here) that

MOONIES for Bush

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> But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem

Michael Marxist Moore

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Ebert is Michael Moore's bitch

http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_8_67/ai_106225217

Q: What do you make of the criticism of Hollywood celebrities for
speaking out against the war--the Sean Penns, the Susan Sarandons?

Ebert: It's just ignorant; it's just ignorant.

Q: Why do you say that?

Ebert: I begin to feel like I was in the last generation of Americans
who took a civics class. I begin to feel like most Americans don't
understand the First Amendment, don't understand the idea of freedom
of speech, and don't understand that it's the responsibility of the
citizen to speak out. If Hollywood stars speak out, so do all sorts of
other people. Now Hollywood stars can get a better hearing. Oddly
enough, the people who mostly seem to hear them are those on the right
wing, so Fox News can put on its ticker tape in Times Square a vile
attack on Michael Moore, and Susan Sarandon is a punchline. The right
wants to shut other people up.

Q: Why do you think a lot of people vote Republican when it's not in
their interest to do so?

Ebert: I think most people are more susceptible to prejudice than to
reason. And the parrots of talk radio are just sending out the same
stuff. When I look at my e-mails, I see the same Limbaugh rhetoric;
apparently, people don't have any ideas of their own. And there's just
this drum roll of anti-progressive thought. Essentially, the country
is in the grip of some very bad information. I think a lot of working
class people don't understand that their money is being stolen. I saw
an interesting article that said 10 percent of the American public
would put themselves in the top 1 percent in income.

Q: This is why Americans favor the repeal of the estate tax.

Ebert: Yeah, they all think they're going to leave a big estate, and
they love Bush's theories because they all think they're going to get
rich someday. But the fact is, most people are not going to be rich
someday. And we've had a concerted policy of taking money away from
the poor and giving it to the rich wholesale, and at the same time, we
have the runaway corporations and the greed. I feel ordinary people
really should be angry.

-------------

the right wants to shut up whom? who's pushing for pc censorship,
right or left?

why doesn't ebert raise a fuss about bardot getting fined for writing
a book?

did jimmy the greek get fired by rightists for his statement about
black athletes?

or that baseball player by his remark about NY?

or marge schott?

who made 'hate speech' a crime? left or right?

not that hate speech is a good thing, but who's trying to curb freedom
of speech these days, right or left? it's almost always the left. to
my knowledge limbaugh even defended howard stern's free speech
rights despite their mutual hostility.

funny aint it, that nat hentoff the liberal is angrier with the left
on free speech issues these days than with the right?

also, if ebert--and moore--are so angry at the rich getting richer and
taking poor people's money, why don't they ever speak out against
hollywood which is one of the most corrupt, greedy, tribal, exclusive
enterprises in america and the world? does hollywood get a free pass
from ebert simply because (1) he needs access to hollywood stars (2)
hollywood is liberal? i guess if one's liberal, it's okay to be
wantonly acquisitive, crass, greedy, corrupt, and self-righteous.
heck, how much are people like sean penn worth anyway? if he's such a
man of the people, why did he star in shitty movies just to rake in
big bucks and ride around in limos and live in a giant mansion with a
mega swimming pool? isn't making movies like this stealing from the
poor by feeding them false fantasies? indeed, what do working class
folks or poor people gain by plonking down hardearned cash to watch
shit like LOR anyway, making themselves poorer while the hollywood
rich get richer? worse, isn't hollywood stealing from the poor all
around the globe by selling crass fantasies of american life? yet,
where is ebert's fury against avarice, greed, corruption of values?
but, ebert goes easy on hollywood. when the great godard trashed
hollywood assholes in his
most recent movie, ebert closed ranks with hollywood and blasted
godard.

also, if ebert has problem with bush invoking god, where was the
outrage when clinton squeaked out of the lewinsky scandal by...
invoking god? boy, wasn't that a jimmy swaggert moment.

ebert insists bush is not a legit president but is he a legit critic?
and how honest is he? how do you call both fahrenheit 9-11 and
passion of christ massuhpieces?

----------
Liberals Hate America!

Michael Marxist Moore

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More Moore deceptions

In BFC, Moore shows a Bush/Quayle campaign ad concerned with the
Dukakis work release program in Massachusetts. Moore showcases it as
the finale in the portion of the film dealing with race baiting:
fear-mongering at the expense of The Black Man.

However, the Bush ad did not play the race card. Not in the least.
Only Moore's redacted version of the Bush ad played the race card.

What proportion of the guys going through the revolving door were
black?

Looking at the original Bush ad at
http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,15,ss,x,,
I see 13 whites, 2 blacks, 1 Hispanic and a couple who are obscured
enough that you can't tell their ethnicity.

Does this exaggerate the threat posed by blacks? Hardly. The ad came
out in 1988. I was able to find racial breakdowns for 1985, that show
a racial balance of 57% white, 33% black, and 10% Hispanic in
Massachusetts prisons. http://66.165.94.98/stories/maskdiv0501.pdf
(see tables in appendix)

The math is simple enough. Bush's ad portrays more whites in this ad
as criminals in the revolving door furlough program than their actual
proportion in the Massachusetts prison population -- by far. Far from
exaggerating the stereotyped threat of The Black Man, Bush's ad is
apparently steering very far from any possibility of being accused of
doing so (except, of course, by Moore's ilk). Bush shows 72% whites,
whereas their proportion in the prison population was only 57%. BTW,
in subsequent years the white proportion dropped (10% in 12 years), so
by 1988 the "exaggeration of this white menace" by the Bush campaign
(which was merely being circumspect by increasing the white numbers)
might have been even
more pronounced.

But there's more. The deceitfully redacted Bush ad piece was the
culminus -- the very last item -- in Moore's series of depictions of
exaggerations of The Black Menace by the media. It's Moore's climax,
but he has to be deceitful by creatively editing -- and indeed,
outright fabrication - to make it work as a capstone for that motif in
his film.

Here's Moore's narration during the ad:

"You know, the thing I love about this country of mine is whether
you're a psychotic killer or [the caption "Willie Horton Released.
Then Rapes a Woman" is on-screen here; this was inserted by Moore]
running for
president of the United States, the one thing you can always count on
[the caption "Paid for by Bush-Quayle88" is on-screen here] is white
America's fear of the black man."

Moore used the same font and color scheme for the Horton insertion as
the actual ad used for the "paid for" caption.

In conclusion, Bush's ad depicted 72% white proportions in
Massachusetts during a time when the actual proportion was 57%
trending toward 47%. Bush's ad exaggerated the white menace. It took
Moore adding the Horton caption (and eliding a full view of the
revolving door scene) to make it appear that Bush's ad was playing a
race card.

More typical Moore.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 25, 2004, 7:53:24 AM8/25/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
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How do you come to that conclusion?

> Damn, and you were so close. Please list below, all assertions in
> Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 that you personally observed to be false,
> otherwise everyone here is going to believe you're just some Right
> leaning spokes person's bitch.
>
> Miles "The Dumbing Down of America Claims Another Victim" Long
>
> Bogus points of F911:
>
> 1.

Hehe, read any article about the film not posted at moveon.org. If you
seriously believe what was in that film then there's no point in me picking
it apart is there?

> > calls it a
> > documentary, and all the liberals stand up and start cheering. Then
there's
> > moveon.org which has been running character assassinations against Bush
and
> > anyone else who disagrees with them for well over a year now. Moveon.org
has
> > raised tens of millions of dollars from Democratic supporters. So along
> > comes the swift boat vets who raise half a million dollars and put out
their
> > own commercial that sheds Kerry in a not so pretty light and suddenly
the
> > left is screaming dirty politics and demanding Bush condemn the ads. Why
> > didn't Kerry condemn the film by Moore? Why didn't the Democrats cry
dirty
> > politics over that? How come Kerry hasn't condemned moveon.org and asked
> > that they stop? Why? it's called Hypocrisy.

I notice you didn't comment on my posting above, why is that?

lab~rat

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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:33:42 -0400, Justice Cow
<justi...@hotmail.cow> puked:

>In article <jttmi0l89s72r6bf5...@4ax.com>,
> lab~rat <ch...@cheese.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:10:15 -0400, Justice Cow
>> <justi...@hotmail.cow> puked:
>>
>> >In article <aqhmi0132kbv81krt...@4ax.com>,
>> > beber <be...@gbta.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:43:45 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda
>> >> <hanoi...@N0SPAM.C0M> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Atheists & liberals foolishly deny God
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.tencommandments.org/
>> >> >
>> >> >We know that no Atheist has the ability to author them "Honor your
>> >> >father and your mother..." "You shall not murder." "You shall not
>> >> >steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
>> >> >(Exodus
>> >> >20:12-13,15,16). Those are just four of God's holy TEN COMMANDMENTS
>> >> >which He has made every person of mankind responsible to obey (Romans
>> >> >3:19).
>> >> >
>> >> Dogs have the same rules; they are embedded in the protoplasm.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I want to go to the heaven dogs go to.
>>
>> You just want to have your leg humped...
>
>
>I've got it all figured out. there's no leg humping in heaven because
>dogs get laid all they want.

Yeah, but sometimes they want to lay a leg...

Justice Cow

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:19:08 AM8/25/04

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In article <b9voi0dti5n7257eg...@4ax.com>,
lab~rat <ch...@cheese.net> wrote:

sometimes they want to eat a leg. hopefully, that sort of thing is rare
in heaven.

eat-----rare--------hahahahahahahaha

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lab~rat

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:19:08 -0400, Justice Cow
<justi...@hotmail.cow> puked:

Maybe it's a hygiene problem...

Justice Cow

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In article <9i4pi0plcjiuq4hcm...@4ax.com>,
lab~rat <ch...@cheese.net> wrote:

speaking from experience?

~~scooting off to another thread~~

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lab~rat

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Aug 25, 2004, 9:44:31 AM8/25/04

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:35:02 -0400, Justice Cow
<justi...@hotmail.cow> puked:

This is what is known as IKYABWAI.

>
>~~scooting off to another thread~~

Isn't 'scooting' something a dog does when...

Uh, nevermind.

Miles Long

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

Read below Phil. If the movie were bogus, then we would have
seen a vast outpouring of cash being paid to those who had proof
any of the assertions of the movie were false. That has not
happened. You've been punked by those you blindly believe.

>
>>Damn, and you were so close. Please list below, all assertions in
>>Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 that you personally observed to be false,
>>otherwise everyone here is going to believe you're just some Right
>>leaning spokes person's bitch.
>>
>>Miles "The Dumbing Down of America Claims Another Victim" Long
>>
>>Bogus points of F911:
>>
>>1.
>
>
> Hehe, read any article about the film not posted at moveon.org. If you
> seriously believe what was in that film then there's no point in me picking
> it apart is there?
>

Oh Phil, you're so precious! <grin> I saw the movie and found no
flaws. You did not. You let others think for you...shame on you!

Miles "How Does Persistance Count in the Dumbing Down of America?" Long

GayBoy Bush

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Aug 25, 2004, 2:41:52 PM8/25/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%3LWc.16$2B4.8@trnddc06>...

> That is true, [Bush] did a smear campaign against McCain.

Isn't that alone enough to condemn America's first Gay President,
George "RugBurns" Bush? Show us McCain's "smears" against Bush.

MrPepper11

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Psalm 110 <Lying_SwiftVets@Go_to_Jail.org> wrote in message news:<6s6ii0lqokrlv2q7v...@4ax.com>...

> >
> >Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
> >Bush Supporters Called McCain "The Fag Candidate." In South Carolina, Bush
> >supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain "the fag candidate."
> >Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed "even as Bush
> >subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn't hire openly gay
> >people for his administration." [Washington Post, 2/18/00; Rich op-ed,
> >Austin American-Statesman, 2/29/00]

Well, another data point to show Bush is a congenital LIAR:

Bush Campaign Lawyer Quits Over Ties to Ads Group

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A top lawyer for President Bush's
re-election campaign resigned on Wednesday after disclosing he
provided legal advice to a group that accuses Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry of lying about his Vietnam War record.

Benjamin Ginsberg was the second person to quit the Bush campaign over
ties to the group, called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that has been
attacking Kerry's record through television commercials and a book...

The Bush campaign has insisted it has no relationship with the Swift
Boat group.

<snip>

Bruno Cattivabrutto

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Aug 25, 2004, 3:50:54 PM8/25/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%3LWc.16$2B4.8@trnddc06>...

> That is true, he did a smear campaign against McCain. I don't remember why

> or how it started but it seems to me every candidate running on both sides
> of the fence have used this tactic. Nothing new there.

"Bush operatives constantly whine about the media, but Bush is
benefiting from the mock sophistication of journalists who, striking a
world-weary stance, say of his campaign dishonesty, 'It was ever thus
in American politics.' Even if that were true, it would be no excuse,
and it isn't true. This is extraordinary ... serious people flinch
from being associated with the intellectual slum that is the Bush
campaign, with its riffraff of liars and aspiring ayatollahs."
--George Will.

Steveo

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Aug 25, 2004, 3:52:18 PM8/25/04

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Bruno Cattivabrutto wrote:

If Bush has George Will against him, he is in very serious trouble.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 26, 2004, 7:28:17 AM8/26/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> > "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:24a3d$412b808f$4069ee8e$29...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >
> >>>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> >>>
> >>>But you want to talk dirty politics? Lets talk about Michael Moore and
> >>>moveon.org. Michael Moore puts out a completely bogus movie,
> >>
> >>Oh Phil. You were doing so well up until here! <laughing> You
> >>just punked your own self with Miles' First Law:
> >>
> >>Faulty Premise = Invalid Conclusion
> >
> >
> > How do you come to that conclusion?
> >
>
> Read below Phil. If the movie were bogus, then we would have
> seen a vast outpouring of cash being paid to those who had proof
> any of the assertions of the movie were false. That has not
> happened. You've been punked by those you blindly believe.

Read it and weep:
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

> >>Damn, and you were so close. Please list below, all assertions in
> >>Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 that you personally observed to be false,
> >>otherwise everyone here is going to believe you're just some Right
> >>leaning spokes person's bitch.
> >>
> >>Miles "The Dumbing Down of America Claims Another Victim" Long
> >>
> >>Bogus points of F911:
> >>
> >>1.
> >
> >
> > Hehe, read any article about the film not posted at moveon.org. If you
> > seriously believe what was in that film then there's no point in me
picking
> > it apart is there?
> >
>
> Oh Phil, you're so precious! <grin> I saw the movie and found no
> flaws. You did not. You let others think for you...shame on you!

Because you want to believe it. In case you missed it I'll post it again.
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

> Miles "How Does Persistance Count in the Dumbing Down of America?" Long

My thoughts exactly.

Phil Trevorrow

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What's the point? That politicians have been using smear campaigns since the
1700's? Wake up.

Miles Long

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

> "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
>>>news:24a3d$412b808f$4069ee8e$29...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>
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>>>>>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>But you want to talk dirty politics? Lets talk about Michael Moore and
>>>>>moveon.org. Michael Moore puts out a completely bogus movie,
>>>>
>>>>Oh Phil. You were doing so well up until here! <laughing> You
>>>>just punked your own self with Miles' First Law:
>>>>
>>>>Faulty Premise = Invalid Conclusion
>>>
>>>
>>>How do you come to that conclusion?
>>>
>>
>>Read below Phil. If the movie were bogus, then we would have
>>seen a vast outpouring of cash being paid to those who had proof
>>any of the assertions of the movie were false. That has not
>>happened. You've been punked by those you blindly believe.
>
>
> Read it and weep:
> http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
>
>

Sorry Phil, I guess you've been only listening to the same
played out sources:

Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
of September 11th.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush.
Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they
changed after Fox called it for Bush.

“With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the
first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50
pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well.” By 8:02 pm
, all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner
in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am,
Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last
network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never
call Florida for Bush. CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/cnn.report/cnn.pdf Ten
minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again
beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel,
with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the
first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas
governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George
Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United
States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a
smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares
that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this
should put him over the top."PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/election_night.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX
on election night was Bush’s first cousin, John Ellis.

“John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's
‘decision desk’ during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name
Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush
during the vote-counting.” William O’Rourke, “Talk Radio Key to GOP
Victory,” Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002. A Fox News consultant,
John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential ‘calls’ on Election
Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by
telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules.
CNN, November 14, 2000;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml.
John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush,
had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of
family ‘loyalty’ to Bush. CBS News,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml,
November 14, 2000. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Make sure the chairman of your
campaign is also the vote countin’ woman and that her state has hired a
company that’s gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren’t likely to
vote for you. You can usually tell them by the color of their skin.”

“The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state, Katherine
Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of Gov. Jeb
Bush, the candidate's brother.” Mark Zoller Seitz, “Bush Team Conveyed
an Air of Legitimacy,” San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16, 2000. The
Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the Boca
Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of ChoicePoint).
They were tasked with finding improperly registered voters in the
state’s database, but mistakes were rampant. “At one point, the list
included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who had been convicted
of misdemeanors.” St. Petersburg Times (Florida), December 21, 2003.
Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, “was responsible for
bungling an overhaul of Florida’s voter registration records, with the
result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were
disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote, they
might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore, who
lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, “Firm in Florida Election
Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners,” The Guardian, May 5,
2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html. See
also, Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. In 1997, Rick Rozar,
the late head of the company bought by ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to
the Republican National Committee. Melanie Eversley, “Atlanta-Based
Company Says Errors in Felon Purge Not Its Fault,” Atlanta
Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank Borman of Database
Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New Mexico Republicans, as
well as to the Presidential campaign of George W. Bush. Opensecrets.org,
“Frank Borman.” FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Gore got the most votes in 2000.

[A] consortium [Tribune Co., owner of the Times; Associated Press; CNN;
the New York Times; the Palm Beach Post; the St. Petersburg Times; the
Wall Street Journal; and the Washington Post] hired the NORC [National
Opinion Research Center, a nonpartisan research organization affiliated
with the University of Chicago] to view each untallied ballot and gather
information about how it was marked. The media organizations then used
computers to sort and tabulate votes, based on varying scenarios that
had been raised during the post-election scramble in Florida. Under any
standard that tabulated all disputed votes statewide, Mr. Gore erased
Mr. Bush's advantage and emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to
171 votes. Donald Lambro, “Recount Provides No Firm Answers,”
Washington Times, November 12, 2001. “The review found that the result
would have been different if every canvassing board in every county had
examined every undervote, a situation that no election or court
authority had ordered. Gore had called for such a statewide manual
recount if Bush would agree, but Bush rejected the idea and there was no
mechanism in place to conduct one.” Martin Merzer, “Review of Ballots
Finds Bush's Win Would Have Endured Manual Recount,” Miami Herald, April
4, 2001. See also, the following article by one of the Washington Post
journalists who ran the consortium recount. The relevant point is made
in Table I of the article.
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
Congressional Black Caucus members tried to object to the election
outcome on the floor of the House; no Senator would sign the objections.

“While Vice President Al Gore appeared to have accepted his fate
contained in two wooden ballot boxes, Democratic members of the
Congressional Black Caucus tried repeatedly to challenge the assignment
of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bush…. More than a dozen Democrats
followed suit, seeking to force a debate on the validity of Florida's
vote on the grounds that all votes may not have been counted and that
some voters were wrongly denied the right to vote.” Susan Milligan,
“It’s Really Over: Gore Bows Out Gracefully,” Boston Globe, January 7,
2001. The Congressional Black Caucus effort failed for “lack of the
necessary signature by any senator.” Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle
(D-SD) had previously advised Democratic senators not to cooperate.
‘They did not.’” Robert Novak, “Sweeney Link Won't Help Chao,” Chicago
Sun-Times, January 14, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “On the day George W.
Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the
streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs.”

“Shouting slogans like ‘Hail to the Thief’ and ‘Selected, Not Elected,’
tens of thousands of protesters descended on George W. Bush's inaugural
parade route yesterday to proclaim that he and Vice President Dick
Cheney had ‘stolen’ the election.” Michael Kranish and Sue Kirchhoff,
“Thousands Protest ‘Stolen’ Election,” Boston Globe, January 21, 2001.
“Scuffles erupted between radicals and riot police while an egg struck
the bullet-proof presidential limousine as it carried Mr. Bush and wife
Laura to the White House.” Damon Johnston, “Bush Pledges Justice as
Critics Throw Eggs,” The Advertisers, January 22, 2001. See also film
footage. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “The inauguration parade was brought to a halt
and the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped.”

Bush made one concession to the weather -- or to security concerns: He
stayed in his limousine nearly the entire length of the mile-long
inaugural parade, waving through a slightly foggy window. He got out to
walk only for a brief distance when his motorcade reached the VIP
grandstands in front of the Treasury Department and the White House.
Doyle McManus, et al., “Bush Vows to Bring Nation Together,” Los Angeles
Times, January, 21, 2001. Bush's limo, which traveled most of the route
at a slow walking pace, stopped dead just before it reached the corner
of 14th St. and Pennsylvania Ave., where most of the protesters had
congregated. Then it sped up dramatically, and Secret Service agents
protecting the car on foot had to follow at a full run. When they
reached a section of the parade route where the sidewalks were
restricted to official ticketholders, Bush and his wife, Laura, who wore
a flattering electric turquoise suit, got out of the limo to walk and
greet supporters. Helen Kennedy, “Bush Pledges a United US,” New York
Daily News, January 21, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “For the next eight
months, it didn’t get any better for George W. Bush.”

In a poll conducted September 5 to September 9, 2001, Investor’s
Business Daily and the Christian Science Monitor showed President Bush’s
approval rating at 45%, down from 52% in May ( Investor’s Business
Daily/Christian Science Monitor Poll, conducted by TIPP, 9/5 to 9/9,
2001). Zogby’s polling had Bush at 47% in late July 2001, down from 57%
in February (Zogby, 7/26 to 7/29, 2001). In June 2001, a Wall Street
Journal/NBC News poll showed President Bush's approval rating at 50
percent, which was the lowest presidential approval rating in five
years. Richard L. Berke, “G.O.P. Defends Bush in Face of Dip in Poll
Ratings,” The New York Times, June 29 2001 On July 26, 2001, in an
article entitled “Bush Lacks the Ability To Force Action on Hill,” Dana
Milbank of the Washington Post wrote, “ It may be premature to conclude
that Bush has lost control of his agenda, but lawmakers and strategists
in both parties said that Bush's next year is much more likely to look
like the fractious month of July than like the orderly march toward
Bush's tax cut this spring.… The troubles began, of course, with Vermont
Sen. James M. Jeffords' departure from the GOP, giving control of the
Senate to the Democrats. But the problems are nearly as bad in the
House, where moderates who supported Bush's tax cut are proving
recalcitrant on other issues. They rebelled against GOP leaders on
campaign finance reform and held up Bush's "faith-based" legislation
over concerns about discrimination. Next week, they're likely to oppose
Bush's proposal to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.”
California energy crisis also took a toll on Bush’s approval ratings.
Due to rolling blackouts and rising utility bills Bush’s ratings took a
toll among Californians. The poll showed that almost as many
Californians disapproved of the President’s job as approved of it with
an approve/disapprove of 42/40. “Calif. Governor Says He'll Sue to Force
Government Action,” The Houston Chronicle, May 30, 2001. FAHRENHEIT
9/11: “In his first eight months in office before September 11, George
W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post, forty-two
percent of the time.”

“News coverage has pointedly stressed that W.'s month-long stay at his
ranch in Crawford is the longest presidential vacation in 32 years.
Washington Post supercomputers calculated that if you add up all his
weekends at Camp David, layovers at Kennebunkport and assorted to-ing
and fro-ing, W. will have spent 42 percent of his presidency ‘at
vacation spots or en route.’” Charles Krauthammer, “A Vacation Bush
Deserves,” The Washington Post, August 10, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush
relaxes at Camp David, Kennebunkport and his ranch in Crawford Texas.

As of April 2004, President Bush had made 33 trips to Crawford during
his presidency, bringing his total to more than 230 days at the ranch in
just over three years. “Add his 78 trips to Camp David and five to his
family’s compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has spent all or
part of 500 days – or about 40 percent of his presidency – at one of
these his three retreats.” “Bush Retreats to a Favorite Getaway:
Crawford ranch,” Houston Chronicle, April 11, 2004. FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
On Sept. 10, 2001 , Bush joined his brother in Florida where he slept
the night in “a bed made of fine French linens.”

Bush has not been bashful about visiting Florida, ground zero in the
vote-recount battle that followed last year's election. On this trip,
he was spending a good deal of time with his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush. "
President to Push Congress on Education in Fourth Florida Visit,”
Associated Press, September 10, 2001; See also, CNN Inside Politics,
September 10, 2001. Two individuals prepared the president’s room “and
made the bed with some of the family's fine French linens.” Tom Bayles,
“The Day Before Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals'
Lives,” Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 10, 2002. FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
“As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way to an elementary
school in Florida . When informed of the first plane hitting the World
Trade Center, where terrorists had struck just eight years prior, Bush
just decided to go ahead with his photo opportunity.”

NOTE: It should be emphasized that at the time Bush was notified of the
first plane attack, he (unlike the rest of America) was already aware
that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking
airplanes, per the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB). He
was also aware, of course, that the World Trade Center had been
historically a target for terrorist attacks. He nonetheless went ahead
with this photo opportunity in a school full of children.

“Mr. Bush arrived at the school, just before 9 am, expecting to be met
by its motherly principal, Gwen Rigell. Instead he was pulled sharply
aside by the familiar, bulky figure of 51-year-old Karl Rove, a veteran
political fixer and trusted aide of both Mr. Bush and his father,
George Sr. Mr. Rove, a fellow Texan with an expansive manner and a
colorful turn of phrase, told the President that a large commercial
airliner (American Flight 11) had crashed into the North Tower of the
World Trade Centre . Mr. Bush clenched his teeth, lowered his bottom
lip and said something inaudible. Then he went into the school.”
William Langley, “Revealed: What Really Went on During Bush’s ‘Missing
Hours,’” The Telegraph, December 16, 2001.
“The airborne attack on the World Trade Center was at least the second
terrorist attempt to topple the landmarks. In 1993, terrorists sought to
bomb one building so that it would explode and fall into the other. The
plot did not succeed, but six people were killed and more than 1,000
injured.” Cragg Hines, “Terrorists Strike from Air; Jetliners Slam into
Pentagon, Trade Center” The Houston Chronicle, September 11, 2001.
August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB), “Bin Ladin Determined to
Strike Inside US”: “Al-Qa'ida members -- including some who are US
citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the
group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks…
FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious
activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or
other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal
buildings in New York.” August 6, 2001, Bin Ladin Determined to Strike
Inside US, http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of
staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under
attack.”

“At 9:05 a.m., the White House chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr.,
stepped into the classroom and whispered into the president's right ear,
‘A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack.’” David
E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., “After The Attacks: The Events; In Four
Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency,” The New York Times,
September 16, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Mr. Bush just sat there and
continued to read My Pet Goat.”

“It was while attending a second-grade reading class at Emma E. Booker
Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., to promote his education reforms
that President Bush learned America was under attack. In the presence of
her VIP guest, teacher Sandra Kay Daniels, 45, conducted the day's
lesson, which centered on a story about a pet goat.” “9/11: A Year
After,” Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2002. President Bush listened
to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders read a story about a
girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly and somberly about the
terrorist attacks. “Bush hears of attack while visiting Booker,”
Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001. See also film footage.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing
anything.”

“[H]e lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being
informed of the second plane]… [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated,
speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials.” David E. Sanger and Don
Van Natta Jr., “After The Attacks: The Events;In Four Days, A National
Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency,” The New York Times, September 16,
2001 . “Mr. Bush remained in the elementary school for nearly a half an
hour after Andy Card whispered in his ear.” Michael Kranish, “Bush: US
To Hunt Down Attackers,” Boston Globe, September 11, 2001.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/
-- Impeachment was created for people like G.W Bush
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ "The big elephant sitting in the corner is
that George W. Bush is simply unqualified for the job... What's his
accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?" -Ronald Reagan Jr.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Two

Section Two covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from Bush's failure to
meet with Richard Clarke, to the August 6th memo, and ends with the
Saudi flights out of the US after 9/11.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Should he have held at least one meeting since taking
office to discuss the threat of terrorism with his head of
counterterrorism?”

“[T]hey didn't allow me to brief him on terrorism. You know, they're
saying now that when I was afforded the opportunity to talk to him about
cybersecurity, it was my choice. I could have talked about terrorism or
cybersecurity. That's not true. I asked in January to brief him, the
president, on terrorism, to give him the same briefing I had given Vice
President Cheney, Colin Powell and Condi Rice. And I was told, ‘You
can't do that briefing, Dick, until after the policy development
process.’” Richard Clarke interview with Tim Russert on NBC’s Meet the
Press, March 28, 2004. "Clarke asked on several occasions for early
Principals Committee meetings on these issues [outlined in his January
25, 2001 memo] and was frustrated that no early meeting was scheduled.
He wanted principals to accept that al Qaeda was a ‘first order threat’
and not a routine problem being exaggerated by ‘chicken little’
alarmists. No Principals Committee meetings on al Qaeda were held until
September 4, 2001.” National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the
United States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 8,
“National Policy Coordination,” pp 9-10;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing8/staff_statement_8.pdf
See Testimony of Richard A. Clarke before the National Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, March 24, 2004: MR. ROEMER:
Okay. Let's move into, with my 15 minutes, let's move into the Bush
administration. On January the 25th, we've seen a memo that you had
written to Dr. Rice, urgently asking for a principals review of al
Qaeda. You include helping the Northern Alliance, covert aid,
significant new '02 budget authority to help fight al Qaeda --

MR. CLARKE: Uh-huh.

MR. ROEMER: -- and response to the U.S.S. Cole. You attached to this
document both the Delenda Plan of 1998 and a strategy paper from
December 2000. Did you get a response to this urgent request for a
principals meeting on these, and how does this affect your time frame
for dealing with these important issues?

MR. CLARKE: I did geta response. The response was that in the Bush
administration I should, and my committee, the counterterrorism security
group, should report to the deputies committee, which is a sub-cabinet
level committee, and not to the principals, and that therefore it was
inappropriate for me to be asking for a principals meeting. Instead,
there would be a deputies meeting.

MR. ROEMER: So, does this slow the process down to go to the deputies
rather than to the principals or a small group, as you had previously
done?

MR. CLARKE: It slowed it down enormously, by months. First of all, the
deputies committee didn't meet urgently in January or February. Then,
when the deputies committee did meet, it took the issue of al Qaeda as
part of a cluster of policy issues, including nuclear proliferation in
South Asia, democratization in Pakistan, how to treat the problems, the
various problems, including narcotics and other problems in Afghanistan,
and, launched on a series of deputies meetings extending over several
months to address al Qaeda in the context of all of those interrelated
issues. That process probably ended, I think, in July of 2001, so we
were readying for a principals meeting in July, but the principals'
calendar was full, and then they went on vacation, many of them, in
August, so we couldn't meet in August, and therefore the principals met
in September.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Maybe Mr. Bush was wondering why he had cut terrorism
funding from the FBI.”

“This question of resources will also come up in the commission's
questioning of Attorney General John Ashcroft, who was brand-new on the
job in the fall of 2001 and on September 10th cut the FBI's request for
new counterterrorism money by 12 percent.” John Dimsdale, “Former FBI
Director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft to appear before
9/11 commission tomorrow,” NPR Radio: Marketplace, April 12, 2004. See
also, 2001 budget documents including Attorney General John Ashcroft FY
2003 budget request to Office of Management and Budget, September 10,
2001, showing $65 million offset in the FBI budget for counter-terrorism
equipment grants:
http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7BE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E
06E03%7D/FY03ASHCROFT.PDF FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The security briefing that
was given to him on August 6, 2001, said that Osama bin Laden was
planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes.

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB): “Al-Qa'ida members --
including some who are US citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the
US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure
that could aid attacks. Two al-Qa'ida members found guilty in the
conspiracy to bomb our Embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a
senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s. A clandestine
source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting
Muslim-American youth for attacks. We have not been able to corroborate
some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ...
(redacted portion) ... service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to
hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of ‘Blind Shaykh’ 'Umar 'Abd
al-Rahman and other US-held extremists. Nevertheless, FBI information
since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this
country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of
attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New
York.” August 6, 2001, Bin Ladin Determined to Strike Inside US,
http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf
“The Aug. 6, 2001, document, known as the President's Daily Brief, has
been the focus of intense scrutiny because it reported that bin Laden
advocated airplane hijackings, that al-Qaida supporters were in the
United States and that the group was planning attacks here.” Clarke J.
Scott, “Clarke Gave Warning on Sept. 4, 2001; Testimony Includes
Apology to Families of Sept. 11 Victims, Associated Press, March 25,
2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: On August 6 th, 2001, George W. Bush went fishing.

“President Bush swung into vacation mode Monday, fishing for bass in his
pond, strolling the canyons on his 1,600-acre ranch, taking an
early-morning run. Associated Press, “President Bush Vacationing in
Texas,” August 6, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Was it the guy my daddy’s
friends delivered a lot of weapons to?”

In 1995, a member of Reagan's National Security Council and co-author of
his National Security Directives, Howard Teicher, signed a sworn
affidavit stating: “From early 1982 to 1987, I served as a Staff Member
to the United States National Security Council.… In June, 1982,
President Reagan decided that the United States could not afford to
allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran. President Reagan decided that the
United States would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent Iraq
from losing the war with Iran. Pursuant to the secret NSDD, the United
States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis
with billions of dollars of credits, by providing U.S. military
intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third
country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had the military
weaponry required. This message was delivered by Vice President Bush who
communicated it to Egyptian President Mubarak, who in turn passed the
message to Saddam Hussein. Under CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director
Gates, the CIA made sure that non-U.S. manufacturers manufactured and
sold to Iraq the weapons needed by Iraq. In certain instances where a
key component in a weapon was not readily available, the highest levels
of the United States government decided to make the component available,
directly or indirectly, to Iraq. I specifically recall that the
provision of anti-armor penetrators to Iraq was a case in point. The
United States made a policy decision to supply penetrators to Iraq."
Affidavit of former Howard Teicher, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. CARLOS
CARDOEN et al, January 31, 1995.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1413.htm “Questions have
been raised about whether the United States not only ignored foreign
arms shipments to Iraq, but actually encouraged or even arranged them. A
former National Security Council official, Howard Teicher, said in a
1995 court affidavit that the CIA made sure Iraq received weapons from
non-U.S. manufacturers.” Ken Guggenheim, “War Crimes Trial for Saddam
Could Reveal Details of Past U.S. Help,” Associated Press, January 24,
2004. “There is ample documentation demonstrating that the Reagan and
Bush administrations supplied critical military technologies that were
put directly to use in the construction of the Iraqi war machine. There
is also strong evidence indicating that the executive branch's failure
to crack down on illegal weapons traffickers or keep track of third
party transfers of U.S. weaponry allowed a substantial flow of
U.S.-origin military equipment and military components to make their way
to Iraq.” William D. Hartung, Weapons at War; A World Policy Institute
Issue Brief, May 1995. See also, Alan Friedman, Spider's Web: The
Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq, (Bantam
Books, 1993); Kenneth R. Timmerman, The Death Lobby: How the West Armed
Iraq, (Houghton, Mifflin, 1991). “Rep. Dante Fascell, D-Fla., chairman
of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said … that the United States
could not ‘make a claim for purity’ on arms sales, since the U.S.
government has sold weapons to Iran, Iraq ‘and everybody else in the
world.’” Robert Shepard, “Congress Approves Aid for Former Soviet
Republics,” United Press International, October 3, 1992. “A covert
American program during the Reagan administration provided Iraq with
critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence
agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in
waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war, according to senior
military officers with direct knowledge of the program. Those officers,
most of whom agreed to speak on the condition that they not be
identified, spoke in response to a reporter's questions about the nature
of gas warfare on both sides of the conflict between Iran and Iraq from
1981 to 1988. Iraq's use of gas in that conflict is repeatedly cited by
President Bush and, this week, by his national security adviser,
Condoleezza Rice, as justification for "regime change" in Iraq. The
covert program was carried out at a time when President Reagan's top
aides, including Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Defense Secretary
Frank C. Carlucci and Gen. Colin L. Powell, then the national security
adviser, were publicly condemning Iraq for its use of poison gas,
especially after Iraq attacked Kurds in Halabja in March 1988.” Patrick
E. Tyler, “Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas,” The
New York Times, August 18, 2002. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Was it that group of
religious fundamentalists who visited my state when I was governor?”

“A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the
United States for talks with an international energy company that wants
to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to
Pakistan. A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were
expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in
Sugarland, Texas.” “Taleban in Texas for talks on Gas Pipeline,” BBC
News, December 4, 1997 (Sugarland is 22 miles outside Houston.)
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Or was it the Saudis? Damn, it was them.”

“The 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict
a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to
the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions
of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through
suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with
the document. One U.S. official who has read the classified section
said it describes ‘very direct, very specific links’ between Saudi
officials, two of the San Diego-based hijackers and other potential
co-conspirators ‘that cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or
coincidental.’” Of all the hijackers, 15 of the 19 were Saudi. Josh
Meyer, “Report Links Saudi Government to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say,”
Los Angeles Times, August 2, 2003. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “In the days
following September 11th , all commercial and private airline traffic
was grounded.”

“On the morning of September 11th, there were 4,873 instrument flight
rule (IFR) flights operating in U.S. airspace. As soon as Secretary
Mineta was aware of the nature and scale of the terrorist attack on New
York and Washington -- that we were faced with, not one, but four
possible hijackings, and several other rumors of missing or unidentified
aircraft -- the Secretary ordered the air traffic system shut down for
all civil operations. Jane F. Garvey on Aviation Security Following the
Terrorist Attack on September 11th, September 21, 2001;
http://www.faa.gov/newsroom/testimony/2001/testimony_010921.htm; see
also, “Airports to Remain Closed, Mineta Says,” Department of
Transportation Press Release, September 12, 2001 FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “The
White House approved planes to pick up the bin Ladens and numerous other
Saudis.”

Fearing reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi government asked
for help in getting some of its citizens out of the country. National
Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and
Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
“Now, what I recall is that I asked for flight manifests of everyone on
board and all of those names need to be directly and individually vetted
by the FBI before they were allowed to leave the country. And I also
wanted the FBI to sign off even on the concept of Saudis being allowed
to leave the country. And as I recall, all of that was done. It is true
that members of the Bin Laden family were among those who left. We knew
that at the time. I can't say much more in open session, but it was a
conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the
State Department and the FBI and the White House.” Testimony of Richard
Clarke, Former Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before
The Senate Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003. “I was making or
coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after.
And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this
proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two
possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State,
or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.”
Testimony of Richard A. Clarke before the National Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, March 24, 2004. FAHRENHEIT
9/11: “At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes
carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September
13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family,
were allowed to leave the country.”

NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the
allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least one
private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private flights were
still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the White House has
denied that this flight existed. This was reported in the June 9, 2004
St. Petersburg Times article cited below.

After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142
people,mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States
between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin
flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers,
most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. National Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in 2001,
Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
It should be noted that the US Customs and Border Protection document
released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24,
2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between
9/11/2001 and 9/15/2001, departing from New York’s Kennedy airport,
Washington’s Dulles, and Dallas Fort Worth.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf. For an
official list of Saudi Passport holders (names redacted) who flew out of
the country between 9.11.2001 – 9.15.2001, see US Customs and Border
Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security
under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004;
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf. TheSt.
Petersburg Times reported on Jun 9, 2004: o "Two days after the Sept. 11
attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small
jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi
men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi
royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa
police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took
another flight out of the country.”

o Moreover: “For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law
enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have
denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its
purpose… The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said
in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard,
mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24,
2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight… The 9/11
Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were
handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of
the Tampa flight.

o "Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13
were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made
quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid
charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.” Jean Heller,
“TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long denied that
two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.” St.
Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004

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accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?" -Ronald Reagan Jr.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Three

Section Three covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from Osama's relations
with his family through Bush's military records and ends with Bush's
business history, including Arbusto, Harken and the Carlyle Group.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: In 2001, one of Osama’s sons got married in
Afghanistan; several family members attended the wedding.

“Bin Laden as well as his mother, two brothers and a sister, who flew
from Saudi Arabia, attended the wedding of one of his sons, Mohammad, in
the Afghan city of Kandahar on Monday, the Arabic daily Al-Hayat said.…
Another of bin Laden's sons married one of al-Masri's daughters in
January. Al-Hayat said several members of the bin Laden family, who run
a major construction company in Saudi Arabia, also traveled from the
kingdom to attend the wedding. Agence France Presse, “Bin Laden Full of
Praise for Attack on USS Cole at Son's Wedding”, Thursday, March 1,
2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “We held hundreds of people” immediately after
9/11.

“More than 1,200 foreigners have been detained as part of the
government's investigation into the terror attacks, some spending months
in prison. Some civil liberties advocates have complained, but
government officials insist they are simply enforcing long-standing
immigration laws.” “A Nation Challenged,” New York Times, November 25,
2001. “The Department of Homeland Security announced new rules yesterday
designed to prevent a recurrence of the lengthy detention of hundreds of
foreign nationals, many of whom were prevented from making telephone
calls or contacting lawyers for months after they were jailed in the
wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The guidelines, made public
yesterday by Asa Hutchinson, the department's undersecretary for border
and transportation security, were welcomed by civil rights groups that
had bitterly denounced the detention of 762 immigration violators after
the attacks, based on sometimes ill-founded FBI suspicions that they had
links to terrorism. The new rules are a response to a highly critical
198-page report last June by Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department's
inspector general. It concluded that in the chaotic aftermath of the
terrorist strikes on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, hundreds
of Arab and South Asian men who had committed sometimes minor
immigration violations languished in jail without timely review by U.S.
officials. Guards mistreated some of them. The average detention lasted
three months, and the longest was 10 months before the immigrants were
cleared of terrorism ties and released from jail.” John Mintz, “New
Rules Shorten Holding Time for Detained Immigrants,” Washington Post,
April 14, 2004. “In the days, weeks and months following the tragic
events of September 11, 2001, hundreds of American immigrants were
rounded up and detained, often under harsh or abusive conditions, in the
name of keeping America safe. Not because of evidence (or even sound
hunches) that they were involved in the terrorist attacks that brutally
ended the lives of more than 3,100 people. Not because they were found
to have ties to – or even knowledge of – terrorist groups who might
threaten American security in the future. Instead, hundreds of
immigrants were arbitrarily snared in this dragnet, marked for arrest
and thrown (literally, at times) in jail. The exact number is unknown,
because the government refuses to release that information. They had one
thing in common: Almost all were Arab or South Asian men, and almost all
were Muslim... Once arrested, many immigrants were labeled "of interest"
to the September 11 investigation and thrown into legal limbo – detained
for weeks or months in connection with a criminal investigation, but
denied the due process rights that they would have been entitled to had
they actually been charged with crimes.” ACLU, "America’s Disappeared:
Seeking International Justice for Immigrants Detained after September
11," January 2004. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The FBI conducted “a little
interview, check[ed] the passport.”

Last year, the National Review reported that the FBI conducted brief,
day-of-departure interviews with the Saudis -- in the words of an FBI
spokesman, "at the airport, as they were about to leave." Experts
interviewed by the National Review called the FBI's actions "highly
unusual" given the fact that those departing were actually members of
Osama bin Laden's family. "They [the FBI] could not have done a thorough
and complete interview," said John L.Martin, the former head of internal
security at the Justice Department. "The Great Escape : How did assorted
bin Ladens get out of America after September 11?" National Review,
September 29, 2003.

“Thirty of the 142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI,
including 22 of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security
guards) on the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions.
None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with
Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity." National
Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and
Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
“I talked to several people who were with the FBI during the actual
repatriation. And they told me there was a lot of back-and-forth
between the FBI and the Saudi Embassy. And the Saudi Embassy tried to
get people to leave without even identifying them. The FBI succeeded in
identifying people and going through their passports. But, in many
cases, you had the FBI meeting people for the first time on the tarmac
or on the planes themselves as they were departing. That was not time
for a serious interview or a serious interrogation.” Interview with
Craig Unger, CNN, September 4, 2003. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: White House
released records in response to Moore’s charge of deserter.

Left-leaning filmmaker Michael Moore got the discussion started in
January, when he endorsed Clark for president and called the president a
‘deserter.’ The White House responded by releasing the president's
service records, including an honorable discharge. James Rainey, “Who's
the Man? They Are; George Bush and John Kerry Stand Shoulder to Shoulder
in One Respect: Macho is Good. Very Good. It's Been That Way Since
Jefferson's Day,” Los Angeles Times, March 18, 2004. FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
There is one glaring difference between the records released in 2000 and
those he released in 2004. A name had been blacked out. In 1972, two
airmen were suspended for failing to take their medical examination.
One was George W. Bush and the other wasJames R. Bath.

See National Guard Bureau, Aeronautical Orders Number 87, September 29,
1972, Attachment B, paragraph 7 (original document): The Document as
Released in 2000: Page 1 | Page 2

The Document as Released in 2004: Page 1 | Page 2

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: James R. Bath was the Texas money manager for the Bin
Laden family.

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem M.
Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C (“I, Salem M.
Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330 Bellefontaine,
Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on my behalf in all
matters relating to the business and operation of Binladen-Houston
offices in Houston, Texas.” Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County,
Texas, July 8, 1976. “According to a 1976 trust agreement, drawn shortly
after [George H. W.] Bush was appointed director of the Central
Intelligence Agency, Saudi Sheik Salem M. Binladen appointed Bath as his
business representative in Houston. Binladen, along with his brothers,
owns Binladen Brothers Construction, one of the largest construction
companies in the Middle East.” Jerry Urban, “Feds Investigate
Entrepreneur Allegedly Tied to Saudis,” Houston Chronicle, June 4, 1992.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George W. Bush and James R. Bath had become good
friends.

“Bath, 55, acknowledges a friendship with George W. Bush that stems from
their service together in the Texas Air National Guard.” Jonathan Beaty,
“A Mysterious Mover of Money and Planes,” Time Magazine, October 28,
1991. “In a copy of the record released by the National Guard in 2000,
the man in question, James R. Bath, was listed as being suspended from
flying for the National Guard in 1972 for failing to take a medical exam
next to a similar listing for Mr. Bush. It has been widely reported that
the two were friends and that Mr. Bath invested in Mr. Bush's first
major business venture, Arbusto Energy, in the late 1970's after Mr.
Bath began working for Salem bin Laden.” Jim Rutenberg, “A Film to
Polarize Along Party Lines,” New York Times, May 17, 2004. FAHRENHEIT
9/11: “After they were discharged, when Bush’s dad was head of the CIA,
Bath opened up his own aviation business, after selling a plane to a man
by the name of Salem bin Laden, heir to the second largest fortune in
Saudi Arabia, the Saudi bin Laden Group.”

“Bath opened his own aircraft brokerage firm in 1976.” Jonathan Beaty,
“A Mysterious Mover of Money and Planes,” Time Magazine, October 28,
1991. (Bush was CIA director, 1976-1977.) “Sometime around 1974… Bath
was trying to sell a F-27 turboprop, a sluggish medium-range plane that
was not exactly a hot ticket in those days, when he received a phone
call that changed his life. The voice no the other end belonged to
Salem bin Laden… Bath not only had a buyer for a plane no one else
seemed to want, he had also stumbled upon a source of wealth and power
that was certain to pique the interest of even the brashest Texas oil
baron.” Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud, pp,19-20 (Scribner:
New York, 2004). FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “George W. Bush founded an oil
company, a drilling company, out in west Texas called Arbusto, which was
very good at drilling dry holes.”

“After graduating from the Harvard Business School, Bush organized his
first company, Arbusto Energy (Arbusto is Spanish for Bush) in 1977 on
the eve of a run for Congress. According to records on file with the
Securities and Exchange Commission, Arbusto didn’t start active
operations until March 1979.… According to 1984 securities filings,
Bush’s limited partners had invested $4.66 million in Bush’s various
drilling programs but they had received cash distributions of only $1.54
million. However, Bush’s CFO stated, ‘We didn’t find much oil and gas,’
adding ‘We weren’t raising any money.’ George Lardner Jr. and Lois
Romano, “Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings,” Washington Post, July 30,
1999. “Bush eventually renamed his company Bush Exploration and later
merged with a firm called Spectrum 7. Documents filed with the
Securities and Exchange Commission show that the firm lost money from
1979 to 1982 and that investors who put in nearly $4.7 million got back
just $1.5 million. Published reports contend that Bush Exploration was
salvaged by Cincinnati oilmen Bill DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. Bush
today says otherwise, that his company was on firm financial footing and
that the merger was a strategic one. Either way, George W. drilled his
fair share of dry holes. As Conaway rues to this day, the company ‘never
hit . . . the Big Kahuna.’” Maria La Ganga, “Bush Finesses Texas 2-Step
Of Privilege, Personality,” Los Angeles Times, March 2, 2000. FAHRENHEIT
9/11: “There is no indication that daddy wrote a check to start Bush off
in his company.”

“Seed money, upward of $4 million, was largely raised between 1979 and
1982 with the help of [Bush’s] uncle, financier Jonathan Bush. The
Arbusto investor list is filled with family and famous friends. His
grandmother, Dorothy W. Bush, chipped in $25,000. Corporate luminaries
like George L. Ball, chief executive of Prudential-Bache Securities,
invested $100,000. Macomber and William H. Draper III, who invested
more than $125,000, were later named presidents of the U.S.
Export-Import Bank during the Reagan and Bush administrations.” Maria La
Ganga, “Bush Finesses Texas 2-Step Of Privilege, Personality,” Los
Angeles Times, March 2, 2000. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Bush’s good friend James
Bath was hired by the bin Laden family to manage their money in Texas
and invest in businesses. And James Bath himself, in turn, invested in
George W. Bush.”

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem M.
Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C (“I, Salem M.
Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330 Bellefontaine,
Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on my behalf in all
matters relating to the business and operation of Binladen-Houston
offices in Houston, Texas.” Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County,
Texas, July 8, 1976. See 1981 Schedule 4 spreadsheet showing $50,000
investment by James Bath in George W. Bush’s Arbusto Exploration,
Attachment D (original document).
Bath’s business relationship with Salem bin Laden, and other wealthy
Saudi businessmen, has been well documented. See, e.g., Mike Ward,
“Bin Laden Relatives Have Ties to Texas,” Austin American-Statesman,
November 9, 2001; Jerry Urban, “Feds Investigate Entrepreneur Allegedly
Tied to Saudis,” Houston Chronicle, June 4, 1992; Thomas Petzinger Jr.,
et al., “Family Ties: How Oil Firm Linked to a Son of Bush Won Bahrain
Drilling Pact,” The Wall Street Journal, December 6, 1991.
“[E]arly 1980s tax records reviewed by TIME show that Bath invested
$50,000 in Bush's energy ventures and remained a stockholder until Bush
sold his company to Harken in 1986.” Jonathan Beaty, “A Mysterious Mover
of Money and Planes,” Time Magazine, October 28, 1991. FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
“Bush ran Arbusto nearly into the ground, as he did every other company
he was involved in until finally one of his companies was bought by
Harken Energy and they gave him a seat on their board.”

“Bush's name …was to help rescue him, just as it had attracted investors
and helped revive his flagging fortunes throughout his years in the
dusty plains city of Midland. A big Dallas-based firm, Harken Oil and
Gas, was looking to buy up troubled oil companies. After finding
Spectrum, Harken's executives saw a bonus in their target's CEO, despite
his spotty track record. By the end of September 1986, the deal was
done. Harken assumed $ 3.1 million in debts and swapped $ 2.2 million of
its stock for a company that was hemorrhaging money, though it had oil
and gas reserves projected to produce $ 4 million in future net revenue.
Harken, a firm that liked to attach itself to stars, had also acquired
Bush, whom it used not as an operating manager but as a high-profile
board member.… It was one of the biggest breaks of Bush's life. Still,
the Harken deal completed a disappointing reprise of what was becoming a
familiar pattern. As an oilman, Bush always worked hard, winning a
reputation as a straight-shooter and a good boss who was witty, warm and
immensely likable. Even the investors who lost money in his ventures
remained admirers, and some of them are now raising money for his
presidential campaign. But the story of Bush's career in oil, which
began following his graduation from Harvard Business School in the
summer of 1975 and ended when he sold out to Harken and headed for
Washington, is mostly about his failure to succeed, despite the sterling
connections his lineage and Ivy League education brought him." George
Lardner Jr. and Lois Romano, “Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings,”
Washington Post, July 30, 1999. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush was investigated
by the S.E.C. The James Baker law partner who helped Bush beat the rap
from the SEC was a man by the name of Robert Jordon, who, when George W.
became president was appointed ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

“A week before George W. Bush's 1990 sale of stock in Harken Energy Co.,
the firm's outside lawyers cautioned Bush and other directors against
selling shares if they had significant negative information about the
company's prospects. The sale came a few months before Harken reported
significant losses, leading to an investigation by the Securities and
Exchange Commission. The June 15, 1990, letter from the Haynes and
Boone law firm wasn't sent to the SEC by Bush's attorney Robert W.
Jordan until Aug. 22, 1991, according to a letter by Jordan. That was
one day after SEC staff members investigating the stock sale concluded
there was insufficient evidence to recommend an enforcement action
against Bush for insider trading.” Peter Behr, “Bush Sold Stock After
Lawyers’ Warning,” Washington Post, November 1, 2002. “President Bush
has chosen as ambassador to Saudi Arabia a Dallas attorney who
represented him against … allegations arising from his sale of stock in
Harken Energy Co. 11 years ago.” G. Robert Hillman, “Bush Taps Dallas
Attorney to be Ambassador to Saudi Arabia,” The Dallas Morning News,
July 21, 2001. FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “After the Harken debacle, the friends
of Bush’s dad got him a seat on another board, of a company owned by the
Carlyle Group.”

"Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the
director of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that
the President’s eldest son, George W. Bush, would ‘be a positive
addition to Caterair’s board.’ Mr. Malek was also a Caterair director
and vice chairman of Northwest Airlines, a major Caterair customer. ‘I
thought George W. Bush could make a contribution to Caterair,’ stated
Malek. Malek further claimed, ‘He would be on the board even if his
father weren’t President.’" Kenneth N. Gilpin, “Little-Known Carlyle
Scores Big,” New York Times, March 26, 1991 Co-Founder of Carlyle Group,
David Rubenstein, talking about setting up Cater Air after Carlyle
acquired it: “When we’re putting together the board,” Rubenstein said,
‘somebody came to me and said ‘Look, there is a guy who would like to be
on the board. He's kind of down on his luck a bit. Needs a job. Needs
some board positions. Could you put him on the board? Pay him a salary
and he'll be a good board member and be a loyal vote for the management
and so forth.’ …We put him on the board and (he) spent three years.
Came to all the meetings. … And after a while I kind of said to him,
after about three years – ‘You know, I'm not sure this is really for
you. Maybe you should do something else. Because I don't think you're
adding much value to the board. You don't know that much about the
company.’ The board member told him, Rubenstein said, ‘Well I think I'm
getting out of this business anyway. I don't really like it that much.
So I'm probably going to resign from the board.’ And I said, 'Thanks.'
Didn't think I'd ever see him again. His name is George W. Bush,’
Rubenstein said. ‘He became president of the United States. So if you
said to me, name 25 million people who would be president of the United
States, he wouldn't be in that category. So you neverknow." Nicholas
Horrock, “White House Watch: With Friends Like These,” UPI, July 16,
2003 .

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that George W. Bush is simply unqualified for the job... What's his
accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?" -Ronald Reagan Jr.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Four

Section Four covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 covers the Carlyle Group
and Saudi money in the United States and its connection to the Bush
family, their friends and associates.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “The Carlyle group is a multinational conglomerate that
invests in heavily government-regulated industries like
telecommunications, healthcare and, particularly, defense.”

“The Carlyle Group is one of the world’s largest private equity firms,
with more than $18.3 billion under management. With 23 funds across five
investment disciplines (management-led buyouts, real estate, leveraged
finance, venture capital and turnaround), Carlyle combines global vision
with local insight, relying on a top-flight team of nearly 300 investment
professionals operating out of offices in 14 countries to uncover
superior opportunities in North America, Europe, and Asia. Carlyle
focuses on sectors in which it has demonstrated expertise: aerospace &
defense, automotive & transportation, consumer, energy & power,
healthcare, industrial, real estate, technology & business services, and
telecommunications & media.” Carlyle Group web site,
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/company/index.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The Bin Laden and Bush families were both connected to
the Carlyle Group, as were many of the Bush family’s friends and
associates.

In the early 1990s, George W. Bush served on the board of directors for
CaterAir, an airline catering company. CaterAir was owned by the Carlyle
Group. Kenneth N. Gilpin, “Little-Known Carlyle Scores Big,” The New
York Times, March 26, 1991. “George W. Bush left the company in 1994, a
year after his father’s presidency ended.” Ross Ramsey, et al., “Campaign
’94 Fisher’s Staff Slips Up On Spanish,” The Houston Chronicle, September
17, 1994.
In the mid-1990s, George H.W. Bush joined up with the Carlyle Group.
“Under the leadership of ex-officials like Baker and former Defense
Secretary Frank C. Carlucci, Carlyle developed a specialty in buying
defense companies and doubling or quadrupling their value. The ex-
president not only became an investor in Carlyle, but a member of the
company's Asia Advisory Board and a rainmaker who drummed up investors.
Twelve rich Saudi families, including the Bin Ladens, were among them. In
2002, the Washington Post reported, ‘Saudis close to Prince Sultan, the
Saudi defense minister ... were encouraged to put money into Carlyle as a
favor to the elder Bush.’ Bush retired from the company last October, and
Baker, who lobbied U.S. allies last month to forgive Iraq's debt, remains
a Carlyle senior counselor. Kevin Phillips, “The Barreling Bushes; Four
Generations of the Dynasty Have Chased Profits Through Cozy Ties with
Mideast Leaders, Spinning Webs of Conflicts of Interest,” Los Angeles
Times, January 11, 2004.
The bin Laden family first invested in Carlyle in 1994. Representing
Carlyle’s Asia Board, George H.W. Bush visited the bin laden family's
headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Kurt Eichenwald, “Bin Laden Family
Liquidates Holdings With Carlyle Group,” The New York Times, October 26,
2001.
James Baker was a Carlyle Senior Counselor beginning in 1993. Carlyle
Group web site, http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/team/l5-team391.html.
Bush's OMB chief, Richard Darman, was with Carlyle by 1994. Bob Cook,
Mergers & Acquisitions Report, December 12, 1994.
George W. Bush was with Caterair -- owned by Carlyle -- until 1994, after
Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the director
of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that the
President’s eldest son would “be a positive addition to Caterair’s
board.” Kenneth N. Gilpin, “Little-Known Carlyle Scores Big,” New York
Times, March 26, 1991.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Carlyle Group was holding its annual investor
conference on the morning of September 11th in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in
Washington, D.C. At that meeting were all of the Carlyle regulars, James
Baker, likely John Major, definitely George H. W. Bush, though he left
the morning of September 11th. Shafiq bin Ladin, who is Osama bin
Laden’s half-brother, and was in town to look after his family’s
investments in the Carlyle Group. All of them, together in one room,
watching as the uh the planes hit the towers.”
On the morning of September 11, 2001, “in the plush setting of the Ritz-
Carlton hotel in Washington, DC, the Carlyle Group was holding its annual
international investor conference. Frank Carlucci, James Baker III, David
Rubenstein, William Conway, and Dan D’Aniellow were together, along with
a host of former world leaders, former defense experts, wealthy Arabs
from the Middle East, and major international investors as they terror
played out on television. There with them, looking after the investments
of his family was Shafiq bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s estranged half-
brother. George Bush Sr. was also at the conference, but Carlyle’s
spokesperson says the former president left before the terror attacks,
and was on an airplane over the Midwest when flights across the country
were grounded on the morning of September 11. In any circumstance, a
confluence of such politically complex and globally connected people
would have been curious, even newsworthy. But in the context of the
terrorist attacks being waged against the United States by a group of
Saudi nationals led by Osama bin Laden, the group assembled at the Ritz-
Carlton that day was a disconcerting and freakish coincidence.” Dan
Briody, The Iron Triangle, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2003, p. 139-140.
See also, Melanie Warner, “What do George Bush, Arthur Levitt, Jim Baker,
Dick Darman, and John Major Have in Common? (They All Work for the
Carlyle Group),” Fortune, March 18, 2002,
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “With all the weapons companies it owned, The Carlyle
Group was in essence, the 11th largest defense contractor in the United
States.”

“By virtue of its holdings in companies like U.S. Marine Repair and
United Defense Industries, Carlyle is the equivalent of the eleventh-
largest defense contractor in the nation. It has $16.2 billion under
management and claims an average annual return of 35%.” Phyllis Berman,
“Lucky Twice,” Forbes, December 8, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “It owned United Defense, makers of the Bradley armored
fighting vehicle. September 11th guaranteed that United Defense was going
to have a very good year. Just 6 weeks after 9-11 Carlyle filed to take
United Defense public and in December made a one day profit of $237
million dollars.”

“On a single day last month, Carlyle earned $237 million selling shares
in United Defense Industries, the Army's fifth-largest contractor. The
stock offering was well timed: Carlyle officials say they decided to take
the company public only after the Sept. 11 attacks. … On Sept. 26,
[2001], the Army signed a $665-million modified contract with United
Defense through April 2003 to complete the Crusader's development phase.
In October, the company listed the Crusader, and the attacks themselves,
as selling points for its stock offering. Mark Fineman, “Arms Buildup is
a Boon to Firm Run by Big Guns,” Los Angeles Times, January 10, 2002.
"Still, in its annual report for 2001, United announced that it had been
awarded a three-year, $697 million contract to complete full upgrading of
389 Bradley units and had added a $ 655 million contract modification to
complete the Crusader's 'definition and risk-reduction phase contract,'
which would be worth $ 1.7 billion through 2003. Together, the Crusader
and Bradley programs contributed 41 percent of United sales in 2001, the
report said. With Crusader and the Bradley upgrade in hand, a decision
was made to sell United stock to the public in late 2001." Walter Pincus,
“Crusader a Boon to Carlyle Group Even if Pentagon Scraps Project,”
Washington Post, May 14, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “With so much attention focused on the bin Laden family
being important Carlyle investors, the bin Ladens eventually had to
withdraw.”

"Following the attacks on September 11, the bin Laden family’s
investments in the Carlyle Group became an embarrassment to the Carlyle
Group and the family was forced to liquidate their assets with the
firm." Kurt Eichenwald, “Bin Laden Family Liquidates Holdings with
Carlyle Group,” The New York Times, October 26, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Bush’s dad stayed on as Senior Advisor to Carlyle’s
Asia Board for another 2 years.”

“Former President Bush was at one time the Senior Advisor to the Carlyle
Asia Advisory Board but retired from that position in October 2003. He
holds no other positions at Carlyle.”
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/news/l4-presskit681.html#8
“The former president is no longer a company adviser, but he still has
investments there, Mr. Ullman (vice president for corporate
communications) said.” Dallas Morning News, "Michael Moore keeps heat on
at premiere", May 18, 2004
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George H. W. Bush receives daily CIA briefings.

"One of the people who corresponded with [former ambassador Joseph]
Wilson is George H. W. Bush, the only president to have been head of the
C.I.A.-- he still receives regular briefings from Langley." Vicky Ward,
“Double Exposure,” Vanity Fair, January 2004.
Former President Bush has made efforts to keep abreast of foreign
affairs, partly by exercising his right to be briefed by CIA personnel
about developments around the globe. Ha'aretz, “George Bush Sr. Vouches
for Son's Support of Israel to the Saudis”, July 16, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “They are benefiting from the confusion that arises when
George H. W. Bush visits Saudi Arabia, on behalf of Carlyle, and meets
with the royal family and meets with the bin Laden family. Is he
representing the United States of America, or is he representing an
investment firm in the United States of America or is he representing
both?”

Few firms could have rivaled the Carlyle Group for its array of high-
powered friends. The Washington-based venture capital house had been
likened to a retirement home for Gulf War veterans, and the likes of
George Bush Sr, James Baker, and John Major ‘can take credit for its
rapid rise.’ The Observer noted in a profile, “It used to be fashionable
to deride Carlyle as a second-rate influence-peddler and dismiss its
stable of retired politicians as superannuated ‘access capitalists.’” …
Carlyle had sponsored visits by Bush Sr. to South Korea and China, and
his clout with the Saudi government – perhaps Carlyle’s most important
customer – is also likely to be valued. Conal Walsh, “The Carlyle
Controversy: With Friends in High Places: Former World Leaders Give
Carlyle Group Unrivalled Prowess in Lobbying for Business,” The Observer,
September 15, 2002.
“’It should be a deep cause for concern that a closely held company like
Carlyle can simultaneously have directors and advisers that are doing
business and making money and also advising the president of the United
States,’ says Peter Eisner, managing director of the Center for Public
Integrity, a non-profit-making Washington think-tank. ‘The problem comes
when private business and public policy blend together. What hat is
former president Bush wearing when he tells Crown Prince Abdullah not to
worry about US policy in the Middle East? What hat does he use when he
deals with South Korea, and causes policy changes there? Or when James
Baker helps argue the presidential election in the younger Bush's favour?
It's a kitchen-cabinet situation, and the informality involved is
precisely a mark of Carlyle's success.’" Oliver Burkeman Julian Borger,
“The Winners: The Ex-Presidents' Club,” The Guardian, October 31, 2001.
“The Saudi family of Osama bin Laden is severing its financial ties with
the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm known for its connections to
influential Washington political figures… In recent years, Frank C.
Carlucci, the chairman of Carlyle and a former secretary of defense, has
visited the family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, as have former
President George Bush and James A. Baker III, the former secretary of
state. Mr. Bush works as an adviser to Carlyle, and Mr. Baker is a
partner in the firm.” Kurt Eichenwald, “Bin Laden Family Liquidates
Holdings With Carlyle Group,” New York Times, October 26, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Another group of people invest in you, your friends,
and their related businesses $1.4 billion over a number of years.”

“In all, at least $1.46 billion had made its way from the Saudis to the
House of Bush and its allied companies and institutions.” Craig Unger,
House of Bush, House of Saud, p. 200, (Scribner: New York, 2004). For a
complete breakdown of the investments, see Unger’s Appendix C, pp. 295-
298.
This number includes investments made and contracts awarded at the time
that Bush’s friends were involved in the Carlyle Group:
James Baker was a Carlyle Senior Counselor beginning in 1993. Carlyle
Group web site, http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/team/l5-team391.html.

Bush's OMB chief, Richard Darman, was with Carlyle by 1994. Bob Cook,
Mergers & Acquisitions Report, December 12, 1994.

George W. Bush was with Caterair -- owned by Carlyle -- until 1994, after
Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the director
of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that the
President’s eldest son would “be a positive addition to Caterair’s
board.” Kenneth N. Gilpin, “Little-Known CarlyleScores Big,” New York
Times, March 26, 1991

Bush Sr. was first involved in Carlyle by the mid-1990s and no later than
1997.Kevin Phillips, “The Barreling Bushes; Four Generations of the
Dynasty Have Chased Profits Through Cozy Ties with Mideast Leaders,
Spinning Webs of Conflicts of Interest,” Los Angeles Times, January 11 ,
2004; Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2003.

Additional back up for these numbers is as follows:
Saudi investments in the Carlyle Group worth $80,000,000. Craig Unger,
“Saving the Saudis,” Vanity Fair, October 2003. The number was reported
to Unger by the head of Carlyle, David Rubenstein, in an interview.

In 1994, Carlyle owned military contractor BDM was “awarded a contract to
provide technical assistance and logistics support to the Royal Saudi Air
Force.” Worth: $46,200,000. PR Newswire, “BDM Federal Awarded $46
Million Contract To Support Royal Saudi Air Force,” October 27, 1994.

During the 1990s, the Vinnell Corporation (a BDM subsidiary) held
contracts to train the Saudi Arabian National Guard, worth $819,000,000.
Robert Burns, “US Advises Saudi Military On Range Of Threats—Including
Terrorism,” Associated Press, November 13, 1995.

In 1995, BDM collected a contract to “augment Royal Saudi Air Force staff
in developing, implementing, and maintaining logistics and engineering
plans and programs.” Worth: $32,500,000. Defense Daily, “Defense
Contracts,” June 23, 1995, as cited by Craig Unger.

In 1996, BDM was awarded a contract “to provide construction of 110
housing units at the MK-1 Compound, Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia, for
Technical Support Program personnel assisting the Royal Saudi Air Force….
This effort supports foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia.” Worth:
$44,397,800. Department of Defense News Release, “BDM Federal,
Incorporated,” April 1, 1996.

During the late 1990s, Vinnell was awarded a contract “for the Saudi
Arabian National Guard (SANG) Modernization Program. The three-year
contract, awarded competitively, calls on Vinnell to continue to support
SANG training operations and related activities.” Worth: $163,300,000 .
PR Newswire, “Vinnell Selected for Award of $163.3 Million Contract for
Saudi Arabian National Guard Modernization Program,” May 3, 1995. Kashim
Al-An, “Saudi Guard Gets Quiet Help from US Firm with Connections,”
Associated Press, March 22, 1997.

In 1997, BDM was awarded a contract “to provide for 400 contractor
personnel to support the Royal Saudi Air Force in developing,
implementing, and maintaining logistics, supply, computer,
reconnaissance, intelligence and engineering plans and programs.” Worth:
$18,728,682 (note: this is a “face value increase to a firm fixed price
contract”). Defense Daily, “Defense Contracts,” February 4, 1997.

Note: Carlyle purchased BDM and its subsidiary Vinnell in 1992 and sold
it to TRW in Dec, 1997.

In November 2001, Dick Cheney’s former company Halliburton was awarded “a
contract to provide services for the Saudi Arabian Oil Company’s (Saudi
Aramco) Qatif Field development project in the eastern province of Saudi
Arabia.” Worth: $140 million. Halliburton press release, “Halliburton
Awarded $140 Million Contract by Saudi Aramco,” November 14, 2001.

The same month, a consortium of three companies led by Halliburton
subsidiary KBR won a “contract for engineering, procurement, and
construction of an ethylene plant for Jubail United Petrochemcial
Company, a wholly owned company of Saudi Basic Industries Corporation.”
Worth: $40 million. MaggieMulvihill, et al., “Bush Advisers Cashed in on
Saudi Gravy Train,” Boston Herald, December 11, 2001 ; Halliburton press
release, “Halliburton KBR, Chiyoda, and Mitsubishi Win SaudiArabian
Ethylene Project,” November 19, 2001. (Note: The $40 million figure cited
for this contractin all likelihood is much too low. Three separate
energy industry journals place the value of the contract at $350 million.
While there are two other companies involved, all reports point out that
Halliburton KBR led the consortium and thus, if the contract were $350
million, it is likely that their cut would be—as lead
contractor—significantly more than $40 million. See, Petroleum Economist,
“News in Brief,” January 14, 2002; Chemical Week, “KBR, Chiyoda,
Mitsubishi Win Jubail Ethylene Contract,” December 5, 2001; Middle East
Economic Digest, “Projects Update: Petrochemicals,” March 7, 2000.

Soon after Harken bought out George W. Bush’s company Spectrum 7 in 1986
and placed Bush on their board of directors, a Saudi sheik swooped in to
save the troubled Harken. Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17% stake in
the company. Worth: $25,000,000. Thomas Petzinger Jr., et al., “Family
Ties: How Oil Firm Linked to a Son of Bush Won Bahrain Drilling Pact;
Harken Energy Had a Web of Mideast Connections; In the Background: BCCI;
Entrée at the White House,” Wall Street Journal, December 6, 1991.

In 1989 Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd donated money to the Barbara Bush
Foundation for Family Literacy. At the time, Ms. Bush was the First Lady
of the United States. The King’s contribution represented almost half the
amount the organization was able to raise that year. Worth: $1,000,000.
Thomas Ferraro, “Saudi King also Contributed to Barbara Bush’s
Foundation,” United Press International, March 13, 1990.

Following George H. W. Bush’s departure from office, Saudi Ambassador to
the United States, Prince Bandar, donated money to the Bush Sr.
Presidential Library fund. Worth: At least $1,000,000. Dave Montgomery,
“Hail to a Former Chief,” Fort Worth Star-Telegram, November 7, 1997.

Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush attended the elite Phillips
Andover Academy in Massachusetts. In the summer of 2002 the Academy
announced it had established a scholarship in Bush Sr.’s name. Saudi
Prince Alwaleed binTalal bin Adul Aziz Alsaud -- the same Prince who
bailed out EuroDisney in the mid-Nineties -- was among the donors to the
scholarship. Worth $500,000. Phillips Academy-Andover press release, “A
Statement from Phillips Academy-Andover Regarding the Bush Scholars
Program,” December 31, 2002.

Among the many presents George W. Bush has received from foreign leaders
and dignitaries during his term as President, perhaps none is grander
than the one Prince Bandar bestowed upon him. Bandar gave the current
president a “C.M. Russell oil canvas painting of a native American
buffalo hunt….” Worth: $1,000,000. Siobhan McDonough, “Gifts to
President are Gratefully Received, Quickly Carted into Storage,”
Associated Press, July 14, 2003.

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-- Impeachment was created for people like G.W Bush
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/ "The big elephant sitting in the corner is
that George W. Bush is simply unqualified for the job... What's his
accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?" -Ronald Reagan Jr.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Five

Section Five covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from Saudi Arabia's
involvement in 9/11 through the natural gas pipeline in Afghanistan.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Amnesty International condemns Saudi Arabia as a human
rights violator.

“Saudi Arabia systematically violates international human rights
standards even after agreeing to be bound by them. For example, in
September 1997 Saudi Arabia acceded to the Convention against Torture.
Yet, torture is widespread in Saudi Arabia's criminal justice system.
(Saudi Arabia acceded to the Convention against Torture and the
Convention against Discrimination on Sept 23, 1997).” Amnesty
International, "Saudi Arabia: Open for Business," February 8, 2000.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE230822000?
OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES% 5CSAUDI+ARABIA
“Sharon Burke, Amnesty International USA's advocacy director for the
Middle East and North Africa, said her organization confirmed with the
Saudi Ministry of the Interior that three men were beheaded for sodomy.”
Washington Blade, January 4, 2002,
http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/saudi_arabia/saudinews15.htm
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Bush tried to stop Congress from setting up its own
9/11 investigation.… When he couldn’t stop Congress, he then tried to
stop an independent 9/11 commission from being formed.”

The original effort by the White House was to limit the scope of the 9/11
investigation to only two congressional committees. “President Bush asked
House and Senate leaders yesterday to allow only two congressional
committees to investigate the government's response to the events of
Sept. 11, officials said.” Mike Allen, “Bush Seeks To Restrict Hill
Probes Of Sept. 11; Intelligence Panels' Secrecy Is Favored,” Washington
Post, January 30, 2002.
“I, of course, want the Congress to take a look at what took place prior
to Sept. 11. But since it deals with such sensitive information, in my
judgment, it’s best for the ongoing war against terror that the
investigation be done in the intelligence committees,” President Bush
said. David Rosenbaum, “Bush Bucks Tradition on Investigation,” The New
York Times, May 26, 2002.
“Angry lawmakers [McCain, Pelosi, Lieberman] accused White House Friday
of secretly trying to derail creation of an independent commission to
investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks while professing to support
the idea.” Helen Dewar, “Lawmakers Accuse Bush of 9/11 Deceit,” Los
Angeles Times, October 13, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The White House censored 28 pages of the Congressional
9/11 report.

“Top U.S. officials believe the Saudi Arabian government not only
thwarted their efforts to prevent the rise of al-Qaida and stop terrorist
attacks, but also may have given the Saudi-born Sept. 11 hijackers
financial and logistical support, according to a congressional report
released Thursday. Those suspicions prompted several lawmakers to demand
that the Bush administration aggressively investigate Saudi Arabia 's
actions before and after Sept. 11, 2001 -- in part by making public large
sections of the report that pertain to Riyadh but remain classified. The
passages, including an entire 28-page section, discuss in detail whether
one of America's most reluctant allies in the war on terrorism was
somehow implicated in the attacks, according to U.S. officials familiar
with the full report.” Josh Meyer, “Saudi Ties to Sept. 11 Hinted at in
Report,” Houston Chronicle, July 25, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: More than 500 relatives of 9/11 victims filed suit Saudi
Royals and others. The lawyers the Saudi Defense Minister hired to fight
these 9/11 families was the law firm of Bush family confidant James A.
Baker.

“James Baker, whom Bush recently sent abroad seeking help to reduce
Iraq's debt, is still a senior counselor for the Carlyle Group, and
Baker's Houston-based law firm, Baker Botts, is representing the Saudi
defense minister in Motley’s [plaintiff’s council in class-action suit in
connection with September 11th attacks] case.” New York Times, “A Nation
Unto Itself,” March 14, 2004
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Saudi’s have $860 billion dollars invested in America.

“Over the next twenty-five years, roughly eighty-five thousand ‘high-net-
worth’ Saudis invested a staggering $860 billion in American companies –
an average of more than $10 million a person and a sum that is roughly
equivalent to the gross domestic product of Spain.” Craig Unger, House
of Bush, House of Saud, (Scribner: New York, 2004).
“Allan Gerson, an attorney who represents about 3,600 family members of
victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks … said he is not suing the
Saudi government, but he is pursuing ‘Saudi interests’ in the United
States he estimated totaled about $860 billion.” “ $113 Million in
Terrorism Funds Frozen,” CNN, November 20, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: In terms of investments on Wall Street, $860 billion is
“roughly six or seven percent of America.”

“With a total market capitalization exceeding $12 trillion, the NYSE
Composite represents approximately 82 percent of the total U.S. market
cap.” New York Stock Exchange News Release, “NYSE to Reintroduce
Composite Index,” January 2, 2003. ($860 billion is about 7 percent of
$12 trillion.)
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Citigroup, AOL TimeWarner have big Saudi investors.

“His name is Alwaleed bin Talal. His grandfather was Saudi Arabia's
founding monarch. With huge stakes in companies ranging from Citigroup
Inc. to the Four Seasons luxury hotel chain, he is one of the richest men
on the planet....Last year, Forbes magazine ranked Alwaleed the fifth-
richest man in the world, with a net worth of nearly $18 billion. His
Kingdom Holding Co. spans four continents. Over the years, he has
acquired major stakes in companies such as Apple Computer Inc., AOL Time
Warner Inc., News Corp. and Saks Inc., parent of retailer Saks Fifth
Avenue .” Richard Verrier, “Disney's Animated Investor; An Ostentatious
Saudi Billionaire Prince Who Helped Bail Out the Company's Paris Resort
in the Mid-'90s is Being Courted to Do So Again,” Los Angeles Times,
January 26, 2004.
“Carlyle’s first major transaction with the Saudis took place in 1991
when Fred Malek steered Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a flamboyant 35-year-
old Saudi multibillionaire, to the firm for a deal that would enable him
to become the largest individual shareholder in Citicorp.” Craig Unger,
House of Bush, House of Saud, (Scribner: New York, 2004).
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “I read where the Saudis have a trillion dollars in our
banks, their money.”

“Others have said the investment is even more, as much as a trillion
dollars on deposit in U.S. banks – an agreement worked out in the early
1980s by the Reagan administration, in yet another effort to get the
Saudis to off-set the US budget deficit. The Saudis hold another trillion
dollars or so in the US stock market.” Robert Baer, Sleeping with the
Devil, p. 60, (Crown Publishers: New York, 2003).
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Bandar is one of the best protected ambassadors in the
world with a six-man security detail provided by the State Department.”

“The dean of the diplomatic corps by virtue of his long assignment in
Washington, Bandar is the only ambassador who has his own State
Department security detail -- granted to him because of ‘threats’ and his
status as a prince, according to a State Department spokesman.” Robert G.
Kaiser, et al., "Saudi Leader's Anger Revealed Shaky Ties," Washington
Post, February 10, 2002.
“Prince Bandar is often considered the most politically savvy of all the
foreign ambassadors living in Washington. That may or may not be true --
but he certainly is the best-protected. According to a Diplomatic
Security official, Prince Bandar has a security detail that includes
full-time participation of six highly trained and skilled DS officers.
(DS officers are federal government employees charged with securing
American diplomatic missions.)” Joel Mowbray, Dangerous Diplomacy: How
the State Department Threatens American Security, (Regnery, 2003).
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Bandar is so close to the Bushes they considered him a
member of the family. They even have a nickname for him, Bandar Bush.”

“When President [George H.W.] Bush arrived in Riyadh, he took Bandar
aside and embraced him. ‘You are good people,’ the president said. Bandar
claims that Bush had tears in his eyes. Visiting the Bush summer home in
Kennebunkport, Maine, the Saudi ambassador was affectionately dubbed
‘Bandar Bush.’ Bandar returned the favor, inviting Bush to go pheasant
hunting at his English estate. (Since leaving the White House, Bush has
also profited by acting as a kind of glorified door-opener for the
Carlyle Group, an investment company that handles considerable Saudi
wealth.)” Evan Thomas, et al., “The Saudi Game,” Newsweek, November 19,
2001 .
“The Saudi ambassador attended the unveiling of former President George
H.W. Bush's official portrait when he returned to the White House in
1995. He was among the guests at a surprise 75th birthday party in 2000
for former first lady Barbara Bush, and the former president has
vacationed at Bandar's home in Aspen, Colo. Bandar has been a guest at
the Bush ranch in Crawford, Texas. Just last year he presented the first
family with a C.M. Russell painting, a gift worth $1 million that will be
stored in the National Archives, along with other presents from well-
wishers destined for a [George W.] Bush presidential library.” Mike
Glover, “Kerry Criticizes Bush on Saudi Meeting”, Associated Press, April
23, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Two nights after September 11th, George Bush invited
Bandar Bush over to the White House for a private dinner and a talk.”

Two days after the attacks, the President asked Bandar to come to the
White House. Bush embraced him and escorted him to the Truman balcony.
Bandar had a drink and the two men smoked cigars. Elsa Walsh, “The
Prince,” The New Yorker, March 24, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bandar’s government blocked American investigators from
talking to the relatives of the 15 hijackers.

“The report strongly criticized top Saudi officials for their ‘lack of
cooperation’ before and after the Sept. 11 attacks, even when it became
known that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.…One top U.S. official told
the joint inquiry staff that the Saudis since 1996 would not cooperate on
matters relating to Osama bin Laden. Robert Baer, a former CIA officer,
said the Saudis blocked FBI agents from talking to relatives of the 15
hijackers and following other leads in the kingdom.” Frank Davies, et
al., “Bush rejects call to give more 9/11 data,” Philadelphia Inquirer,
July 30, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Saudi Arabia was reluctant to freeze the hijackers
assets.

Riyadh has not yet fully joined the international effort to block bank
accounts thought to be financing terrorist operations, U.S. officials
say. But the Bush administration, fearful of offending the Saudis, has
not yet raised a public complaint. Elaine Sciolino, et al., “U.S. is
Reluctant to Upset Flawed, Fragile Saudi Ties,” New York Times, October
25, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “In 1997, while George W. Bush was governor of Texas, a
delegation of Taliban leaders from Afghanistan flew to Houston to meet
with Unocal executives to discuss the building of a pipeline through
Afghanistan.”

“A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the
United States for talks with an international energy company that wants
to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to
Pakistan. A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were
expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in
Sugarland, Texas.” “Taleban in Texas for Talks on Gas Pipeline,” BBC
News, December 4, 1997 (Sugarland is 22 miles outside Houston.)
“The Taliban ministers and their advisers stayed in a five-star hotel and
were chauffeured in a company minibus. Their only requests were to visit
Houston's zoo, the NASA space centre and Omaha's Super Target discount
store to buy stockings, toothpaste, combs and soap. The Taliban, which
controls two-thirds of Afghanistan and is still fighting for the last
third, was also given an insight into how the other half lives. The men,
who are accustomed to life without heating, electricity or running water,
were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner
at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they
marvelled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six
bathrooms. After a meal of specially prepared halal meat, rice and Coca-
Cola, the hardline fundamentalists - who have banned women from working
and girls from going to school - asked Mr. Miller about his Christmas
tree.” Caroline Lees, “Oil Barons Court Taliban in Texas,” The Telegraph
(London), December 14, 1997.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “And who got a Caspian Sea drilling contract the same
day Unocal signed the pipeline deal? A company headed by a man named
Dick Cheney, Halliburton.”

On October 27, 1997, both Unocal and Halliburton issued press releases
about their energy work in Turkmenistan. “Halliburton Energy Services
has been providing a variety of services in Turkmenistan for the past
five years.” Press Release, “Halliburton Alliance Awarded Integrated
Service Contract Offshore Caspian Sea In Turkmenistan,” October 27, 1997.
http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/1997/hesnws_102797.jsp;
“ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan, Oct. 27, 1997 - Six international companies and
the Government of Turkmenistan formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd.
(CentGas) in formal signing ceremonies here Saturday.” Press Release,
“Consortium Formed to Build Central Asia Gas Pipeline,” October 27, 1997.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Enron stood to benefit from the pipeline.

Dr. Zaher Wahab of Afghanistan, a professor in the US speaking at
International Human Rights Day event, “explained that Delta, Unocal as
well as Russian, Pakistani and Japanese oil and gas companies have signed
agreements with the Turkmenistan government, immediately north of
Afghanistan, which has the fourth largest gas reserve in the world.
Agreements also have been signed with the Taliban, allowing these oil and
gas giants to pump Turkmenistan gas and oil through western Afghanistan
to Pakistan, from which it then will be shipped all over the world. The
energy consortium Enron plans to be one of the builders of the pipeline.”
Elaine Kelly, “Northwest Groups Discuss Afghan, Iranian and Turkish
Rights Violations,” Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 31,
1997.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Kenneth Lay of Enron was Bush’s number one campaign
contributor.

Mr. Lay, also a friend to former President George Bush, was the top
campaign contributor to Mr. Bush’s 2000 presidential election.” Jerry
Seper, “Colossal Collapse: Enron Bankruptcy Scandal Carves a Wide Swath,”
The Washington Times, January 13, 2002; “Although Enron is George W.
Bush’s No. 1 career donor, the president also is heavily indebted to the
professional firms that aided and abetted the greatest bankruptcy and
shareholder meltdown in U.S. history.” Texans for Public Justice, “Bush
Is Indebted To Enron’s Professional Abettors, Too,” January 17, 2002
http://www.tpj.org/page_view.jsp?pageid=255
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: “Then in 2001, just five and a half months before 9/11,
the Bush administration welcomed a special Taliban envoy to tour the
United States to help improve the image of the Taliban government.”

“A Taliban envoy appealed to the Bush administration Monday to overlook
his group's support of extremist Osama bin Laden and the destruction of
priceless centuries-old Buddhist sculptures and lift sanctions on
Afghanistan to help alleviate a humanitarian crisis threatening the lives
of a million people. Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi delivered a letter from
the Taliban for President Bush that called for better U.S.-Afghan
relations and negotiations to solve the dispute over the Saudi-born Bin
Laden. Robin Wright, “Taliban Asks US to Lift its Economic Sanctions,”
Los Angeles Times, March 20, 2001.
“The Town Hall forum was Hashemi's final meeting in a weeklong visit to
California, where he spoke at several universities, including USC, UCLA
and UC Berkeley. Later Thursday, he left for New York for another stop on
his public relations tour before going to Washington, where he is
scheduled to deliver a letter from his party to the Bush administration.”
Teresa Watanabe, “Overture By Taliban Hits Resistance," Los Angeles
Times, March 16, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The Taliban were harboring the man who bombed the USS
Cole and our African embassies.

“Osama bin Laden has claimed credit for the attack on U.S. soldiers in
Somalia in October 1993, which killed 18; for the attack on the U.S.
Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998, which killed 224 and
injured nearly 5,000; and were linked to the attack on the U.S.S. Cole on
12 October 2000, in which 17 crew members were killed and 40 others
injured. They have sought to acquire nuclear and chemical materials for
use as terrorist weapons.” “Britain's Bill of Particulars” New York
Times, October 5, 2001.
“Osama bin Laden, in recent years, has been America's most wanted
terrorism suspect, with a $5 million reward on his head for his alleged
role in the August 1998 truck bombings of two American embassies in East
Africa that killed more than 200 people, as well as a string of other
terrorist attacks… Most recently, the F.B.I. has named Mr. bin Laden as a
prime suspect in the suicide bombing of the American destroyer Cole,
which was attacked in Aden harbor, 350 miles by road southwest of here,
on Oct. 12, with the loss of 17 sailors' lives." John F. Burns, “Where
bin Laden Has Roots, His Mystique Grows,” New York Times, December 31,
2000.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Hamid Karzai was a former Unocal advisor.

“Cool and worldly, Karzai is a former employee of US oil company Unocal
-- one of two main oil companies that was bidding for the lucrative
contract to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanistan to
seaports in Pakistan -- and the son of a former Afghan parliament
speaker.” Ilene R. Prusher, Scott Baldauf, and Edward Girardet, “Afghan
power brokers,” Christian Science Monitor, June 10, 2002.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0610/p01s03e-wosc.html.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a former Unocal adviser, signed a treaty
with Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf and the Turkmen dictator
Saparmurat Niyazov to authorize construction of a $3.2 billion gas
pipeline through the Heart-Kandahar corridor in Afghanistan.” Lutz
Kleveman, “Oil and the New ‘Great Game," The Nation, February 16, 2004.
TRANSLATED FROM FRENCH: “He was a consultant for the American oil company
Unocal, while they studied the construction of a pipeline in
Afghanistan." Chipaux Francoise, “Hamid Karzaï, Une Large Connaissance Du
Monde Occidental,” Le Monde, December 6, 2001.en minutes

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Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Six

Section Six covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the Patriot Act
through the war in Iraq.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Bush also appointed as our envoy to Afghanistan Zalmay
Khalilzad, who was also a former Unocal advisor."

"Mr. Khalilzad himself knows how compasses change. In the mid-1990's, he
briefly defended the Taliban while working as a consultant for Unocal,
the oil company that was then trying to build a pipeline through
Afghanistan. He later became one of the Taliban's fiercest critics." Amy
Waldman, "Afghan Returns Home as American Ambassador," New York Times,
April 19, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Afghanistan signed the agreement to build a pipeline
through its country carrying natural gas from the Caspian Sea ."

"The framework agreement defines legal mechanisms for setting up a
consortium to build and operate the long-delayed US$3.2-billion natural
gas pipeline, known as the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, which would carry
gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan. It would be one of the
first major investment projects in Afghanistan in decades." Baglia
Bukharbayeva "Pakistani, Turkmen, Afghan Leaders Sign US$3.2 Billion
Pipeline Deal," Associated Press, December 27, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "In the year 2000, [John Ashcroft] was running for re-
election as Senator from Missouri against a man who died the month before
the election. The voters preferred the dead guy."

"Sen. John Ashcroft on Wednesday graciously conceded defeat in his re-
election campaign against the late Gov. Mel Carnahan and urged fellow
Republicans to call off any legal challenges." Eric Stern, "Ashcroft
Rejects Challenge To Election; Senator Says He Hopes Carnahan’s Victory
Will Be ‘Of Comfort’ To Widow,"St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 9, 2000
.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "During the summer before 9/11, Ashcroft told acting FBI
director Thomas Pickard that he didn’t want to hear anything more about
terrorist threats."

"Former interim FBI chief Thomas Pickard testified Tuesday that Atty.
Gen. John Ashcroft didn’t want to hear about terrorism when Pickard tried
to brief him during the summer of 2001, as intelligence reports about
terrorist threats were reaching a historic level." Cam Simpson, "Ashcroft
Ignored Terrorism, Panel Told; Attorney General Denies Charges, Blames
Clinton," Chicago Tribune, April 14, 2004.
See also film footage.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "His own FBI knew that summer that there were al Qaeda
members in the U.S. , and that bin Laden was sending his agents to flight
schools throughout the country."

[T]he July 2001 ‘Phoenix’ memo, written by an FBI agent in Arizona,
warned about ‘an inordinate number of individuals of investigative
interest’ taking flight training. It urged the agency to collect data on
flight schools and foreign students, and to discuss the potential threat
with other intelligence agencies. ...[O]ne of the men mentioned in the
memo was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 with a senior al Qaeda facilitator,
Abu Zubayda. R. Jeffrey Smith, "A History of Missed Connections; U.S.
Analysts Warned of Potential Attacks but Lacked Follow-Through,"
Washington Post, July 25, 2003.
Excerpt from "Phoenix Memo": "The purpose of this communication is to
advise the Bureau and New York of the possibility of a coordinated effort
by USAMA BIN LADEN (UBL) to send students to the United States to attend
civil aviation universities and colleges. Phoenix has observed an
inordinate number of individuals of investigative interest who are
attending or who have attended civil aviation universities and colleges
in the State of Arizona." Read the entire Phoenix Memo at:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "[T]he photo of the man in the newspaper was not the
Aaron Stokes they had come to know, [a member of Peace Fresno]. He was
actually Deputy Aaron Kilner. And he had infiltrated their group."

"Aaron Kilner, 27, who joined the force in June 1999 and had been
assigned the last 18 months to the anti-terrorist team under the vice-
intelligence unit, apparently was killed instantly when his blue Yamaha
motorcycle slammed into the right front side of a 1999 Buick, Fresno
police said." Louis Galvan, "Crash Kills Off-Duty Detective, Victim
Joined Fresno County Force in 1999," Fresno Bee, August 31, 2003.
"It remains unclear why the Fresno County Sheriff's Department
infiltrated the peace group there, but Pierce said his department's
actions were legal. ‘We can be anywhere we want to that's open to the
public,’ Pierce said in a telephone interview from his Fresno office."
Sam Stanton and Emily Bazar, "More Scrutiny of Peace Groups, Public
Safety Justifies Surveillance Since 9/11, Authorities Say," Sacramento
Bee, November 9, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Barry Reingold’s story.

"Then there's San Franciscan Barry Reingold, who was awakened from his
afternoon nap by a buzzing intercom on Oct. 23. He called down to the
street to find out who it was. ‘The FBI,’ was the response. He buzzed the
two men up, but decided to meet them in the hall. ‘I was a little bit
shaken up,’ says Mr. Reingold. ‘I mean, why would the FBI be interested
in me, a 60-year-old retired phone company worker?’ When they asked if he
worked out at a certain gym, he realized the reason behind the visit. The
gym is where he lifts weights -- and expounds on his political views."
Kris Axtman, "Political Dissent Can Bring Federal Agents to Door,"
Christian Science Monitor, January 8, 2002. See also, Sam Stanton, Emily
Bazar, "Security Collides With Civil Rights, War On Terrorism Has
Unforeseen Results," Modesto Bee, September 28, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Congress did not read the Patriot Act before voting on
it.

"Later that morning [of October 12], the House voted 337-79 to pass the
bill. The outraged dissenters complained that no one could possibly have
had the time to read the enormously complex 342-page law that amended
fifteen different federal statutes and that had only been printed out
hours before." Steven Brill, After; How America Confronted the September
12 Era, (Simon & Schuster, NY: 2003).
"Many lawmakers were outraged that a bipartisan bill, which had passed
the Judiciary Committee by a unanimous vote, was set aside for
legislation negotiated at the last minute by a very small group. Members
rose to say that almost no one had read the new bill, and pleaded for
more time and more deliberation.... Asked about complaints that lawmakers
were being asked to vote on a bill that they had not read, the chairman
of the Rules Committee, Representative David Dreier, Republican of
California, replied, ‘It's not unprecedented.’" Robin Toner & Neil A.
Lewis, "House Passes Terrorism Bill Much Like Senate's, but With 5-Year
Limit," The New York Times, October 13, 2001.
See also film footage of Congressmen Conyers and McDermott.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Transportation Security Agency says it’s okay to take
four books of matches and two butane lighters in your pockets as you
board an airplane.

"Consistent with Department of Transportation regulations for hazardous
materials, passengers also are permitted to carry no more than four books
of matches (other than strike anywhere matches) and no more than two
lighters for individual use, if the lighters are fueled with liquefied
gas (BIC-or Colibri-type) or absorbed liquid (Zippo-type).’’ 49 CFR
1540; http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/68_FR_9902.pdf
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Thanks to the budget cuts, Trooper Kenyon had to come
in on his day off to catch up on some paperwork."

"Budget cuts that laid off 129 Oregon State Police officers earlier this
year have left a single trooper to cover the 1,400-square-mile territory
and 100 miles of state roads around this city on Oregon's central
coast." "Layoffs Leave Oregon Trooper Alone in Big Coastal Territory,"
Seattle Times, October 6, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "On March 19th, 2003, George W. Bush and the United
States military invaded Iraq, which had never attacked or threatened to
attack the United States. A nation that had never murdered a single
American citizen."

"Iraq has never threatened nor been implicated in any attack against U.S.
territory and the CIA has reported no Iraqi-sponsored attacks against
American interests since 1991." Stephen Zunes, "An Annotated Overview of
the Foreign Policy Segments of President George W. Bush’s State of the
Union Address," Foreign Policy In Focus, January 29, 2003. Segments of
President George W. Bush’s State of the Union Address," Foreign Policy In
Focus, January 29, 2003
"Iraq never threatened U.S.security. Bush officials cynically attacked a
villainous country because they knew it was easier than finding the real
9/11 villain, who had no country. And now they're hoist on their own
canard." Maureen Dowd, "We’re Not Happy Campers," The New York Times,
September 11, 2003.
"Iraq never threatened the US, let alone Australia. The basic
consideration was and remains the perception of America's wider strategic
interest in the Middle East." Richard Woolcott, "Thread bare Basis To The
Homespun Yarn That Led Us Into Iraq," Sydney Morning Herald, November 26,
2003—(Woolcott was Australia’s Secretary of the Department of Foreign
Affairs And Trade during the first Gulf War.)
For definition of murder of civilians (as opposed to combatants), see
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention . ("For persons taking no active part
in the hostilities, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at
any time (a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all
kinds.")
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The Coalition of the Willing included Palau, Costa Rica,
Iceland, Romania, The Netherlands, and Afghanistan.

White House list of Coalition members, March 20th, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/print/20030320-11.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Morocco , according to one report, offered to send 2,000
monkeys to help detonate landmines.

"The administration has even turned to the animal kingdom for help in the
war. First came the dolphins, those really smart mammals recruited to
help clear mines at the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr. Then came word that
Morocco was offering 2,000 monkeys to help detonate land mines." Al
Kamen, "They Got the ‘Slov’ Part Right," Washington Post, March 28, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "The government would not allow any cameras to show the
coffins coming home."

"For the past 13 years, the Pentagon has barred reporters from witnessing
the transport of soldiers' flag-draped coffins to Dover Air Force Base in
Delaware." Amanda Ripley, "An Image of Grief Returns," Time, May 3, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "At the end of January, of ’04, the unemployment rate in
Flint was actually 17 percent."

Flint City, Jan 04, Unemployment Rate, 17.0%. Office of Labor Market
Information, Michigan State Government.
http://www.michlmi.org/LMI/lmadata/laus/lausdocs/049lf04.htm
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush "proposed cutting the soldiers’ combat bonus pay 33
percent and assistance to their families by 60 percent."

The Bush administration announced that it would roll-back ‘modest’
increases of benefits to troops. The Army Times noted, "the
administration announced that on Oct. 1 it wants to roll back recent
modest increases in monthly imminent-danger from $225 to $150 (a cut of
33%) and family-separation allowances from $250 to $100 (a cut of 60%)
for troops getting shot at in combat zones."
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php
"Thanks to a law passed this year, troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other
high-risk areas now receive $225 a month in supplemental pay. That's an
increase of $75 from the previous amount for combat pay. Under that same
law, soldiers who have been forced to leave behind spouses and children
receive $250 a month in additional separation pay to help cover child
care and other additional expenses caused by assignment overseas. That's
an increase of $150 over the previous supplement. ... In its 2004 budget
request, the Pentagon asked Congress to cut both combat pay and
separation pay back to the previous levels." "Our Opinions: Proposal to
Reduce Pay No Way to Salute Military," Atlanta Journal Constitution,
August 15, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "He proposed cutting $1.3 billion in veterans’ health
care and closing seven veteran’s hospitals. He tried to double the
prescription drug costs for veterans and opposed full benefits for part
time reservist."

"On Nov. 12, the Office of Management & Budget opposed restoring $1.3
billion in funding for Veterans Administration hospitals that the House
Appropriations Committee had cut. '’It's as if they're not even aware
[that] there's a war on terror going on,’ says Steve Thomas, an American
Legion spokesman and Navy vet who notes casualties in Iraq could make
demand for VA services soar." Stan Crock in Washington, with William C.
Symonds in Boston, "Will The Troops Salute Bush In '04?," Business Week,
December 8, 2003.
"The White House had expressed its ‘strong opposition’ to the Senate’s
effort to expand military health benefits to reservists and National
Guard members, and boost 'veterans’ health care spending by $1.3
billion." Jonathan Weisman, "Bush Aides Threaten Veto of Iraqi Aid
Measure," Washington Post, October 22, 2003.
In early 2003, the Bush administration announced that it was closing
"seven of its 163 veteran’s hospitals in an effort to ‘restructure’ the
Department of Veterans Affairs." Suzanne Gamboa, "VA Proposes Overhaul,
13 Facilities Would Close or See Major Changes," Associated Press, August
4, 2003.
In 2003, the Bush administration proposed increasing prescription drug
costs for veterans, a proposal that would have doubled the cost of
prescription drugs. "The Bush plan would have included a new $250
enrollment fee and a co-pay increase from $7 to $15 for veterans earning
over $24,000." The House amended the proposal to reject the Bush
administration’s fee increases and to recoup the $264 million in costs by
reducing administrative funding for the VA. "Panel Rejects Extra Funds
for AmeriCorps," Washington Post, July 22, 2003.
"The Bush administration is flatly opposed to giving the Guard and
Reserve access to the Pentagon's health system." Opinion, The Daily News
Leader (Staunton, VA), October 25, 2003.
"U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., has helped push a bill through the
Senate to improve the health care benefits of Guard and Reserve members.
This bill has had broad bipartisan support since it was introduced in
May. Last week Graham had his health care plan attached as an amendment
to the $87 billion supplemental appropriations bill that President Bush
is seeking to pay for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
House should take up the amendment next week. Strangely, the Bush
administration has opposed this new benefit for Guard and Reserve
members, arguing that it would be too expensive." Staff, "Helping our
Guard and Reserve," The Greenville News, October 16, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Nearly 5,000 wounded in the war.

"A year ago at this time, more than 160 American soldiers had been killed
in Iraq. The total since has risen to more than 800, and last week the
Pentagon reported that the number wounded in action is approaching
4,700." Pete Yost, "Bush Hails U.S. War Dead and Veterans," Associated
Press, June 1, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Out of the 535 members of Congress, only one had an
enlisted son in Iraq."

“Only four of the 535 members of Congress have children in the military;
only one, Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., has a child who fought in Iraq.”
Kevin Horrigan, “Hired Guns,” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, May 11, 2003.

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accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?" -Ronald Reagan Jr.

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Miles Long

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Phil:

Never bring a knife to a gun fight! <laughing>

Miles "Paladin" Long

GayBoy Bush

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Show us McCain's "smears" against Bush.
>
> What's the point? That politicians have been using smear campaigns since the
> 1700's? Wake up.

You didn't answer the question. When did McCain smear nancy-boy Bush?

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> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> > "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:535$412ca9ea$4069ee8e$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >
> >>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:24a3d$412b808f$4069ee8e$29...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But you want to talk dirty politics? Lets talk about Michael Moore
and
> >>>>>moveon.org. Michael Moore puts out a completely bogus movie,
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh Phil. You were doing so well up until here! <laughing> You
> >>>>just punked your own self with Miles' First Law:
> >>>>
> >>>>Faulty Premise = Invalid Conclusion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How do you come to that conclusion?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Read below Phil. If the movie were bogus, then we would have
> >>seen a vast outpouring of cash being paid to those who had proof
> >>any of the assertions of the movie were false. That has not
> >>happened. You've been punked by those you blindly believe.
> >
> >
> > Read it and weep:
> > http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
> >
> >
>
> Sorry Phil, I guess you've been only listening to the same
> played out sources:
>
> Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is pure
entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries. But you can
keep believing what you want and posting outdated crap to back yourself up
but in the end it just proves my point.

> Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
> to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
> of September 11th.
>
>
> FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush.
> Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they
> changed after Fox called it for Bush.

Incomplete fact. You failed to mention that even FOX called the state for
Gore along with everyone else before they had the complete returns in. This
is typical of Moore and how he likes to give you only the snippets of
information that supports what he wants you to believe.

> Miles "Phil Will Never Read This Far" Long

Posting reams and reams of trash is still trash. Everyone has debunked
Moore's film except for Howard Dean and you. Even the Democrats acknowledge
it. I gave you a sample of how Moore operates and even gave you a link
explaining how his film was trash and all you do is quote off his website.
It changes nothing. Moore's film is pure trash and even isn't very
entertaining.

Phil Trevorrow

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> Phil:
>
> Never bring a knife to a gun fight! <laughing>
>
> Miles "Paladin" Long

LMAO, you completely ignore the facts, copy and paste reams of completely
bogus information, and then think you're some kind of latter-day G-Man?
Hahahahaha.

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As it turned out, I was wrong. Bush never smeared McCain. It was an attack
on McCain made by someone whom McCain assumed was from Bush's camp. Turns
out it wasn't and in fact the person who smeared McCain was the same person
who smeared Bush Sr. So you can stop drooling and knee-jerking now. Sorry to
disappoint you.

Miles Long

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

> "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> news:45836$412dff32$4069ee8e$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>
>>Phil:
>>
>>Never bring a knife to a gun fight! <laughing>
>>
>>Miles "Paladin" Long
>
>
> LMAO, you completely ignore the facts, copy and paste reams of completely
> bogus information, and then think you're some kind of latter-day G-Man?
> Hahahahaha.
>
>

Oh Phil, that's pitiful. That's what passes for intellect for you?
It shows that you did not read the fact that your second-hand assertion
was wrong....well, you tried.

Miles "Another Tragic Victim of the Dumbing Down of America" Long

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

See Phil, here's where you have lost all credibility to everyone here.
You are trying to argue second-hand facts, facts that you have no
knowledge of. By endorsing someone else's words you pick up whatever
criticism of them by extension. You might want to see the movie for
yourself. Tell you what, I'll send you the cash for you and a friend
or date to see F9/11. That way, none of your money goes to Michael
Moore. That's a no-risk deal for you. Once you've seen the movie then
come back and argue facts...again, don't bring a rubber knife to a gun
fight.

Miles "A Second-Hand Victim of the Dumbing Down of America" Long

Jez

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Richard Burns wrote:

> Have any more sources for that joke
> besides Matt Drudge?
>
> Kerry has the classic Yankee reserve and detachment,
> to be sure. He's far from perfect.
>
> He even looks like Lurch, to be honest.
>
He was quite good on the daily Show.....
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/

--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing

KK

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:04 +0100, Jez wrote:

> He was quite good on the daily Show.....
> http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/

How do you figure? He had stammering, stock answers to retardedly
softball questions.

Even the easiest lob, a goofball question that was perfect for Kerry to
respond humorously and show some charisma: "Is it true that your wife gets
a nickel every time I use ketchup?" - he managed to answer in a completely
uncharismatic, unappealing snob way: "would that it were, John, would
that it were ..."

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KK wrote:

Ok...get Bush on there and see how funny he turns out to be.

KK

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:11:38 +0100, Jez wrote:

> KK wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:04 +0100, Jez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>He was quite good on the daily Show.....
>>>http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/
>>
>>
>> How do you figure? He had stammering, stock answers to retardedly
>> softball questions.
>>
>> Even the easiest lob, a goofball question that was perfect for Kerry to
>> respond humorously and show some charisma: "Is it true that your wife
>> gets a nickel every time I use ketchup?" - he managed to answer in a
>> completely uncharismatic, unappealing snob way: "would that it were,
>> John, would that it were ..."
>
> Ok...get Bush on there and see how funny he turns out to be.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? I don't like either of
them.

Vash The Stampede

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Oh, shit, Phil, you did it now. You mentioned the 'E' word! Now all those
people who swallowed Moore's BS h,l&s are all deflated and have nothing
more to believe in!

>
>> Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
>> to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
>> of September 11th.
>>
>>
>> FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush.
>> Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they
>> changed after Fox called it for Bush.
>
> Incomplete fact. You failed to mention that even FOX called the state for
> Gore along with everyone else before they had the complete returns in. This
> is typical of Moore and how he likes to give you only the snippets of
> information that supports what he wants you to believe.

Uh, Phil, that section probably got left on the cutting room floor. Proved
something other than what Moore wanted to project.

>
> <the rest cut for obvious reasons>
>
>> Miles "Phil Will Never Read This Far" Long
>
> Posting reams and reams of trash is still trash. Everyone has debunked
> Moore's film except for Howard Dean and you. Even the Democrats acknowledge
> it. I gave you a sample of how Moore operates and even gave you a link
> explaining how his film was trash and all you do is quote off his website.
> It changes nothing. Moore's film is pure trash and even isn't very
> entertaining.

Phil, this guy simply fails to beleive that Moore used the Editing Room to
cut out statements against what he was trying to prove. As a 'Filmmaker'
he is allowed to get away with this, since his' films' are
'entertainment'. He did the same thing with Roger and Me, the only film of
his I 'almost' saw, but had to walk out of in the first 1/3 because of the
banality of it. He should have started washing cars after this one. How he
managed to continue with his drivel (and people *believing* his drivel as
truth) is beyond me!

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 27, 2004, 11:36:24 PM8/27/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is pure
>entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.

Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
when you watch the FOX Network.

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|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
|Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
|"You can take my gun when you pry it out of my child's cold dead fingers"
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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> > "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:45836$412dff32$4069ee8e$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >
> >>Phil:
> >>
> >>Never bring a knife to a gun fight! <laughing>
> >>
> >>Miles "Paladin" Long
> >
> >
> > LMAO, you completely ignore the facts, copy and paste reams of
completely
> > bogus information, and then think you're some kind of latter-day G-Man?
> > Hahahahaha.
> >
> >
>
> Oh Phil, that's pitiful. That's what passes for intellect for you?
> It shows that you did not read the fact that your second-hand assertion
> was wrong....well, you tried.

Here we go again. Disagree with a liberal and they start the name calling.
How typical. But I give you points for not using profanity which is also a
typical liberal ploy to try and divert attention away from the topic. Let me
give you a tip. If you have a point to make you post one maybe two links to
back it up. When you post 167 links it just proves you copied and pasted
them and have no clue what you're talking about. Now, if you want to have a
debate, I'll be more than happy to debate you. If all you're going to do is
post 167 links ad-nauseum then knock your socks off.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 28, 2004, 8:09:01 AM8/28/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Sorry Phil, I guess you've been only listening to the same
> >>played out sources:
> >>
> >>Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One
> >
> >
> > Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
pure
> > entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries. But you
can
> > keep believing what you want and posting outdated crap to back yourself
up
> > but in the end it just proves my point.
> >
>
> See Phil, here's where you have lost all credibility to everyone here.
> You are trying to argue second-hand facts, facts that you have no
> knowledge of. By endorsing someone else's words you pick up whatever
> criticism of them by extension. You might want to see the movie for
> yourself. Tell you what, I'll send you the cash for you and a friend
> or date to see F9/11. That way, none of your money goes to Michael
> Moore. That's a no-risk deal for you. Once you've seen the movie then
> come back and argue facts...again, don't bring a rubber knife to a gun
> fight.

Let's be honest here. The second I disagreed with you I lost credibility in
your eyes. There was no debate we had which would lend to my credibility or
yours. I did see you copying and pasting 167 links in messages instead of
doing your own research and posting one or two to back up your points.

Tell you what, you pick a point in Moore's film you think is true and we'll
talk about it. Not the whole film, just one for now. We'll pick another one
of his points after we're done with the first. How's that sound?

Being flippant and condescending won't win you any points except maybe with
Shannon.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:04:41 AM8/28/04

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"Vash The Stampede" <tri...@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.27....@2am.cn...

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:14:36 +0000, Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> > "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:aaad0$412dfcd8$4069ee8e$30...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Read below Phil. If the movie were bogus, then we would have
> >> >>seen a vast outpouring of cash being paid to those who had proof
> >> >>any of the assertions of the movie were false. That has not
> >> >>happened. You've been punked by those you blindly believe.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Read it and weep:
> >> >
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Sorry Phil, I guess you've been only listening to the same
> >> played out sources:
> >>
> >> Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One
> >
> > Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
pure
> > entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries. But you
can
> > keep believing what you want and posting outdated crap to back yourself
up
> > but in the end it just proves my point.
>
> Oh, shit, Phil, you did it now. You mentioned the 'E' word! Now all those
> people who swallowed Moore's BS h,l&s are all deflated and have nothing
> more to believe in!

There are still a few rabid Moore fans who will grab at any straw that
paints Republicans in a bad light like a drowning man to a life jacket.

> >> Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
> >> to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
> >> of September 11th.
> >>
> >>
> >> FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush.
> >> Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they
> >> changed after Fox called it for Bush.
> >
> > Incomplete fact. You failed to mention that even FOX called the state
for
> > Gore along with everyone else before they had the complete returns in.
This
> > is typical of Moore and how he likes to give you only the snippets of
> > information that supports what he wants you to believe.
>
> Uh, Phil, that section probably got left on the cutting room floor. Proved
> something other than what Moore wanted to project.

Of course because if he added it he would have nothing to show. Same thing
he did against Charlton Heston. He cut and pasted his speeches over the
years to make him look like a rabid gun owner. I even sent Moore an e-mail
with Mr. Heston's complete speeches and what he convieniently left out. I
asked him why didn't he quote his entire speeches. He never replied.

> > <the rest cut for obvious reasons>
> >
> >> Miles "Phil Will Never Read This Far" Long
> >
> > Posting reams and reams of trash is still trash. Everyone has debunked
> > Moore's film except for Howard Dean and you. Even the Democrats
acknowledge
> > it. I gave you a sample of how Moore operates and even gave you a link
> > explaining how his film was trash and all you do is quote off his
website.
> > It changes nothing. Moore's film is pure trash and even isn't very
> > entertaining.
>
> Phil, this guy simply fails to beleive that Moore used the Editing Room to
> cut out statements against what he was trying to prove. As a 'Filmmaker'
> he is allowed to get away with this, since his' films' are
> 'entertainment'. He did the same thing with Roger and Me, the only film of
> his I 'almost' saw, but had to walk out of in the first 1/3 because of the
> banality of it. He should have started washing cars after this one. How he
> managed to continue with his drivel (and people *believing* his drivel as
> truth) is beyond me!

Because of liberals like the ones here who have a blind hatred for
Republicans. They hate everything we stand for. Instead of believing you'll
get ahead with hard work they think they should get ahead by taking the
money away from the wealthy and giving it to them. They think it's better to
get a hand-out instead of a hand-up. Kerry and Edwards have more money then
GWB yet I don't see them giving their fortunes away. How about Hillary and
her millions. How much has she given away? Yet if a Republican has wealth
they're greedy. Curious, isn't it?

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:07:33 AM8/28/04

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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...

> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
pure
> >entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
>
> Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
> when you watch the FOX Network.

Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media. Funny how the one
person you liberals love to denigrate the most, Bill O'Reilly, has stood up
in support of Kerry and his service from day one and has condemned the swift
boat ads, also from day one. But you wouldn't know that would you?

Miles Long

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:44:18 AM8/28/04

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> "Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> news:47ea9$412f4dfd$4069ee8e$17...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>
>>Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45836$412dff32$4069ee8e$31...@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Phil:
>>>>
>>>>Never bring a knife to a gun fight! <laughing>
>>>>
>>>>Miles "Paladin" Long
>>>
>>>
>>>LMAO, you completely ignore the facts, copy and paste reams of
>
> completely
>
>>>bogus information, and then think you're some kind of latter-day G-Man?
>>>Hahahahaha.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh Phil, that's pitiful. That's what passes for intellect for you?
>>It shows that you did not read the fact that your second-hand assertion
>>was wrong....well, you tried.
>
>
> Here we go again. Disagree with a liberal and they start the name calling.
> How typical. But I give you points for not using profanity which is also a
> typical liberal ploy to try and divert attention away from the topic. Let me
> give you a tip. If you have a point to make you post one maybe two links to
> back it up. When you post 167 links it just proves you copied and pasted
> them and have no clue what you're talking about. Now, if you want to have a
> debate, I'll be more than happy to debate you. If all you're going to do is
> post 167 links ad-nauseum then knock your socks off.
>
>

Whatever world view floats your boat. <laughing> The facts are on my
side, not a single assertion in Michael Moore's film are untrue, that's
fact. And, since you have not seen the movie, your claims, opinions,
etc. are second hand crap. <wink>

Miles "Bottom Line" Long

Miles "

Miles Long

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:45:41 AM8/28/04

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

Not because you disagreed, because you spoke of that which you know
nothing of. That's the bottom line...

Miles "Sticking to the Point" Long

Miles Long

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:50:24 AM8/28/04

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

Actually, most Liberals have no problems with Republicans, the polite
"we just have to agree to disagree" isn't all that hard to stomach.
However, since the Republican Party was hijacked by a cadre of
jack-booted thugs, they have come to represent what used to be an
organization that stood for fiscal responsibility and smaller
government. Given the ballooning deficits of the last three Republican
administrations in direct terms of fiscal responsibility...not so much.

Miles "Sheep in Wolf's Clothing" Long

Miles Long

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Aug 28, 2004, 9:53:38 AM8/28/04

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Phil Trevorrow wrote:

> "George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
> news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
>
> pure
>
>>>entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
>>
>>Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
>>when you watch the FOX Network.
>
>
> Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media. Funny how the one
> person you liberals love to denigrate the most, Bill O'Reilly, has stood up
> in support of Kerry and his service from day one and has condemned the swift
> boat ads, also from day one. But you wouldn't know that would you?
>
>

<ha ha ha> That's your entire argument? Isn't that the equivalent of
saying "Well at least the trains ran on time?"

Miles "Other Than That Mrs. Lincoln, How Did You Like The Play?" Long"

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 28, 2004, 10:19:11 AM8/28/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

>> See Phil, here's where you have lost all credibility to everyone here.
>> You are trying to argue second-hand facts, facts that you have no
>> knowledge of.

>Let's be honest here.

Yes, please start.

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|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
|Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/

|"Do you want a president who will duck? Vote Bush." -- Michael Moore
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Aug 28, 2004, 10:20:14 AM8/28/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
>news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is pure
>>>entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
>> Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
>> when you watch the FOX Network.
>Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media.

Ah, good, then maybe you could enumerate exactly what this "liberal
news media" of yours actually is, right? You can do that, can't you?

+--+
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|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
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David Galehouse

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Aug 28, 2004, 11:52:16 AM8/28/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ps%Xc.1802$wk1.319@trndny07...

> "George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
> news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
> pure
> > >entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
> >
> > Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
> > when you watch the FOX Network.
>
> Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media. Funny how the
one
> person you liberals love to denigrate the most, Bill O'Reilly, has stood
up
> in support of Kerry and his service from day one and has condemned the
swift
> boat ads, also from day one. But you wouldn't know that would you?
>

I don't believe O'Reilly's position has been as clear or as consistent as
you claim, Phil. But let's assume it is as you have stated -- who's right?
O'Reilly or Hannity and Limbaugh? You tell me.

Vash The Stampede

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Aug 28, 2004, 10:03:04 PM8/28/04

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LOL Like you expected one?

I am not a wealthy Republican, matter of fact, I'm pretty poor. I'm just
lucky enough to own my house. And even though I qualify, I don't ask for
Fuel assistance. I like to leave it for people who realy need it; but I
see people running around in Lexus on it. To each his own. I don't want it.

In 1993 I was unemployed for an entire year (366 days TO THE DAY!) I had a
wife she had a kid and we had a kid. (Technically we weren't married at
the time) Because we weren't married, I couldn't claim her and the kids,
and because she didn't own the house or pay rent (and the tank was mine)
*she* didn't qualify. So every few weeks it was, pay the gas so we can
take showers? Pay the oil so we can stay warm? Pay the elctricity? What
about the mortgage? I was buying LP by 25 Lb tanks for water and cooking,
diesel fuel for heat, and skipping the mortgage more often than not. And
the state turned us down.

Some guy with 3 gold chains got assistance, though.

That was the last time I asked the state for *anything*.

Bet your ass when I couldn't pay the taxes from the prior year they were
all over me, with interest and penalties!

And this is in the *Commonwealth* of Mass, kerry's home state!

Yeah, help is on the way....KMA, Kerry!

Of course, this was after Clinton cut the military budget and my nice,
well-paying aerospace job dried up and blew away...

Vash The Stampede

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Aug 28, 2004, 10:18:52 PM8/28/04

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Ordinarily, I'd give youy the Bwahahaha! 'Jack booted thugs' treatment.
But there is a lot of truth to this. Note, I am a Conservative, not a
Republican. And we can definitely 'agree to disagree'!! Mr, SHeep in
Wolf's Clothing! ;)

And for all my posting's here, I am also a Sheep in Wolf's Clothing.

Vash The Stampede

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Aug 28, 2004, 10:20:49 PM8/28/04

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Yup. I'll definitely disagree with you here. George Stephanopolous showed
clips that Moore left on the cutting room floor that would have disproved
his points. Moore denied it of course.

And I refuse to see the movie, even for free.

Eltanin

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Aug 29, 2004, 11:12:49 AM8/29/04

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In article <b1foi05nivdhgn4q6...@4ax.com>, Michael
Marxist Moore <mmm...@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:

> Q: Why do you think a lot of people vote Republican when it's not in
> their interest to do so?

Think about that question because you realize your lawn mowing biz
really depends on a strong middle class to pay your rip off rates of
$40 per lawn.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:10:33 PM8/29/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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LOL, I don't have syphyllis either but I'm pretty sure that's not a good
thing. Of course, according to you I'd have to have it before I caould say
that. All those doctors who tell me otherwise is just "second hand crap".
<wink, wink>

Now, let me give you some links that make for some interesting reading. All
of which debunks Moore's pathetic film. You might not want to read them
though, because it would burst your bubble. <wink, wink>

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html
http://www.9-11commission.gov/

> Miles "Bottom Line" Long

P.S. You might want to consider changing your tag line.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:31:27 PM8/29/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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Not true at all. Do you want me to post links debunking all the innacuracies
and half-truths again? I don't have AIDS either but I don't have to have it
to know it's bad.

Ok, I couldn't resist. Here's a couple links that burst the bottom line.

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

Of course you'd actually have to read the 9/11 report but I leave that up to
you.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:32:32 PM8/29/04

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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message

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> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message
> >> See Phil, here's where you have lost all credibility to everyone here.
> >> You are trying to argue second-hand facts, facts that you have no
> >> knowledge of.
> >Let's be honest here.
>
> Yes, please start.

Ok. Try these.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20040702.html

John

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:32:47 PM8/29/04

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These KOOKY links have been widely discredited. Posting those links here
reveal you to be just another low IQ Bush supporter. The 911 commision
report was toned down from the truth to insure that all of the Republican
members of the commision would support it. Thus Bush was not criticized as
heavily as he should have been.

Phil Trevorrow

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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> Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> >
> > Because of liberals like the ones here who have a blind hatred for
> > Republicans. They hate everything we stand for. Instead of believing
you'll
> > get ahead with hard work they think they should get ahead by taking the
> > money away from the wealthy and giving it to them. They think it's
better to
> > get a hand-out instead of a hand-up. Kerry and Edwards have more money
then
> > GWB yet I don't see them giving their fortunes away. How about Hillary
and
> > her millions. How much has she given away? Yet if a Republican has
wealth
> > they're greedy. Curious, isn't it?
> >
> >
>
> Actually, most Liberals have no problems with Republicans, the polite
> "we just have to agree to disagree" isn't all that hard to stomach.
> However, since the Republican Party was hijacked by a cadre of
> jack-booted thugs, they have come to represent what used to be an
> organization that stood for fiscal responsibility and smaller
> government. Given the ballooning deficits of the last three Republican
> administrations in direct terms of fiscal responsibility...not so much.

And why do you think the deficit is ballooning? Could the recession which
started under Clinton have anything to do with it? Or maybe even 9/11? Who
do you think controls the economy, the president? If you do then you're
wrong. The Fed controls the economy.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:45:34 PM8/29/04

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"Vash The Stampede" <tri...@2am.cn> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:04:41 +0000, Phil Trevorrow wrote:
>
> > "Vash The Stampede" <tri...@2am.cn> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2004.08.27....@2am.cn...
> >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:14:36 +0000, Phil Trevorrow wrote:
> >>
> > This
> >> > is typical of Moore and how he likes to give you only the snippets of
> >> > information that supports what he wants you to believe.
> >>
> >> Uh, Phil, that section probably got left on the cutting room floor.
Proved
> >> something other than what Moore wanted to project.
> >
> > Of course because if he added it he would have nothing to show. Same
thing
> > he did against Charlton Heston. He cut and pasted his speeches over the
> > years to make him look like a rabid gun owner. I even sent Moore an
e-mail
> > with Mr. Heston's complete speeches and what he convieniently left out.
I
> > asked him why didn't he quote his entire speeches. He never replied.
>
> LOL Like you expected one?

Hope springs eternal...

Here's how he spun the Heston speech around.
http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html
But Moore would never do anything underhanded like that would he? Here's
another spin link about Moore's lunacy that the liberals are clinging to

like a drowning man to a life jacket.

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html

Me too. I live in Taxachusetts.

> Yeah, help is on the way....KMA, Kerry!

As long as he doesn't get elected we stand a chance.

> Of course, this was after Clinton cut the military budget and my nice,
> well-paying aerospace job dried up and blew away...

I'm sure that's Bush's fault somehow. Maybe we should ask Mr. Moore about
that.

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 12:50:26 PM8/29/04

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"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

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Well now, you claim FOX news is totally biased towards conservatives and
when I prove you wrong, because you don't even watch FOX news all, you can
say is tripe? And weren't you the one criticizing me for not watching
Fahrenheit 9/11 and posting comments about it yet here you are doing the
same? Does the word disingenuous mean anything to you?

Who's laughing now? :-)

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 1:01:23 PM8/29/04

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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message

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> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
> >news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is
pure
> >>>entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
> >> Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
> >> when you watch the FOX Network.
> >Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media.
>
> Ah, good, then maybe you could enumerate exactly what this "liberal
> news media" of yours actually is, right? You can do that, can't you?

Sure, let's take a sampling of their prime time line-up shall we?
1. The O'Reilly Factor. Bill is a traditionalist. He has discussions against
Republican and Democratic ideologies that he thinks are whacked out.
2. Hannity and Colmes. Hannity is a conservative and Colmes is a liberal and
they both give their opinions an any given issue.
3. On the Record. Hosted by Greta Van Susteren who is a staunch liberal.

I bet you never even watched FOX have you? You just followed right along
with whatever moveon.org is saying about them aren't you?

Phil Trevorrow

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Aug 29, 2004, 1:03:09 PM8/29/04

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"David Galehouse" <An...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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I believe O'reilly. Hannity is a bit too far right for me and I've never
watched Limbaugh so I don't know what he has to say.

Pookie

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Aug 29, 2004, 1:37:24 PM8/29/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I'll see your 2 & raise you 1:

http://centigrade911.com/

Pookie

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Aug 29, 2004, 1:38:59 PM8/29/04

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"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Since you like those (which you SAY are discredited), have another...

http://centigrade911.com/

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 29, 2004, 7:54:54 PM8/29/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Look at this Republican quote a homophobic hate monger:

>"If liberals were prevented from ever again calling Republicans dumb, they
>would be robbed of half their arguments. To be sure, they would still have
>"racist," "fascist," "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced
>arguments in the quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple
>them." - Ann Coulter

Speaks volumes about contemporary Republicanism.

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 29, 2004, 8:00:35 PM8/29/04

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Vash The Stampede <tri...@2am.cn> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:44:18 -0500, Miles Long wrote:
>> Whatever world view floats your boat. <laughing> The facts are on my
>> side, not a single assertion in Michael Moore's film are untrue, that's
>> fact. And, since you have not seen the movie, your claims, opinions,
>> etc. are second hand crap. <wink>

>Yup. I'll definitely disagree with you here. George Stephanopolous showed
>clips that Moore left on the cutting room floor that would have disproved
>his points. Moore denied it of course.

Well golly! Shouldn't you be exposing these lies in F911, then? Since
you think there are some, shouldn't you fucking rightards be screaming
bloody murder about them?

>And I refuse to see the movie, even for free.

Because you know you're a liar. No offence but that's Republicanism
today.

George Washington Hayduke

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Aug 29, 2004, 8:01:05 PM8/29/04

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Miles Long" <Mi...@home.net> wrote in message

>> Whatever world view floats your boat. <laughing> The facts are on my
>> side, not a single assertion in Michael Moore's film are untrue, that's
>> fact. And, since you have not seen the movie, your claims, opinions,
>> etc. are second hand crap. <wink>
>LOL, I don't have syphyllis either but I'm pretty sure that's not a good
>thing. Of course, according to you I'd have to have it before I caould say that.

If you want to proclaim what syph feels like, you got to run off and
acquire it first, rightard. Until you do your opinions about it are
irrelevant since they're predicated on your ignorance -- and in this
case willful ignorance since you've admitted you'll never see it. You
know it's all true and you don't want to see your Fuhrer in his natural
state.

All you contemporary Republicans are at core cowards.

P.K.

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Aug 29, 2004, 8:21:15 PM8/29/04

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Kerry proved to the world what a big liar he is this morning on CNN. They
were showing him giving a speech to a bunch of fools in Seattle Wash. When
he said "It's so good to be in Seattle" he reached up and rubbed his big
nose for what seemed a long time. Anybody who knows body language knows that
rubbing your nose with the back of your hand after you make a statement is
telling the world that you have just lied or you don't really mean what you
just said. WAKE UP DUMB PEOPLE !!!!!

Jez wrote:

> Richard Burns wrote:
>
> > Have any more sources for that joke
> > besides Matt Drudge?
> >
> > Kerry has the classic Yankee reserve and detachment,
> > to be sure. He's far from perfect.
> >
> > He even looks like Lurch, to be honest.
> >
> He was quite good on the daily Show.....
> http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/
>
> --
> Jez
> "The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
> of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
> highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
> and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
> perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
> R.D. Laing

P.K.

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Aug 29, 2004, 8:24:45 PM8/29/04

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I saw that too........... He also said "keep buying the ketchup". Yeah John
we'll keep making you and your witch even richer than you already
are..............Who needs a tax cut anyway, right ??????????

KK wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:42:04 +0100, Jez wrote:
>
> > He was quite good on the daily Show.....
> > http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/
>

> How do you figure? He had stammering, stock answers to retardedly
> softball questions.
>
> Even the easiest lob, a goofball question that was perfect for Kerry to
> respond humorously and show some charisma: "Is it true that your wife gets
> a nickel every time I use ketchup?" - he managed to answer in a completely
> uncharismatic, unappealing snob way: "would that it were, John, would
> that it were ..."

George Washington Hayduke

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"Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
> news:10j159m...@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "George Washington Hayduke" <Hay...@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
>>> news:10ivvif...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is pure
>>>>> entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
>>>> Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
>>>> when you watch the FOX Network.
>>> Versus what you get when you watch the liberal news media.
>> Ah, good, then maybe you could enumerate exactly what this "liberal
>> news media" of yours actually is, right? You can do that, can't you?
>Sure, let's take a sampling of their prime time line-up shall we?
>1. The O'Reilly Factor.

<rofl!> I _knew_ it! I just frocking _KNEW_ it! <rofl!>

Vash The Stampede

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Aug 29, 2004, 9:19:44 PM8/29/04

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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:36:24 +0000, George Washington Hayduke wrote:

> "Phil Trevorrow" <phil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Complete drivel. Every major news agency has admitted Moore's film is pure
>>entertainment and has nothing at all to do with documentaries.
>
> Life in Bush's Bizarro World, folks. This is what happens to you
> when you watch the FOX Network.

OT, I'm just surprised you would take the nym Hayduke. He was a known
rabid conservative. He makes *me* look more liberal than Clinton!

I do understand *why* you did though! ;) (Make 'em Pay!)

>
> +--+
> |George W. Bush is a deserter: http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
> |Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
> |Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/

> |"You can take my gun when you pry it out of my child's cold dead fingers"
> +--+

Vash The Stampede

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Aug 29, 2004, 9:20:49 PM8/29/04

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