Horowitz KNOWS The Loony Left!
Liberals HATE America ------
By Julia Pompetti
The Phoenix | December 6, 2002
David Horowitz was introduced to a packed Swarthmore Friends Meeting House
Tuesday night by Randy Goldstein '05 as "the son of card-carrying members of
the Communist party," a man formerly affiliated with the Black Panther Party
and the New Left, but now owner and head writer of the far-right Web site
Front Page Magazine.
The College Republicans' decision to bring a conservative known for his
incendiary comments and views to Swarthmore caused heated debate weeks
before he arrived.
In response to a pro-war speaker using the Friends Meeting House, Sarah Wood
'04 handed out literature on the Quaker tradition of pacifism.
Horowitz began his speech by questioning the education received at liberal
arts colleges like Swarthmore. He described the college as "part of the
academic culture in this country which is intellectually repressive and
retrograde," saying that it teaches only the left's perspective.
"You can't get a good education if they're only telling you half the story,"
he said. He questioned the value of any education that does not provide the
opportunity to test one's ideals against an opposing viewpoints and
arguments.
Horowitz said he "spent 25 years on the left" and "knows the feeling of
self-righteousness" that many leftists feel.
During the question-and-answer period, Emiliano Rodriguez '05 pointed out
that the school might not be as closed-minded as Horowitz suggested, using
Horowitz's invitation to speak here as an example.
Kent Qian '03 sympathized with Horowitz's evaluation that the college fails
to present conservative perspectives. He said a lot of people here "fall
into the trap" of ignoring other perspective. "I read a lot of conservative
magazines so that supplements my education here," he said.
After his preface on the leftist bias in higher education, Horowitz went on
to cover issues ranging from inner-city schools and welfare to the conflict
in the Middle East and American foreign policy.
Addressing America's domestic situation, Horowitz said, "There is no reason
to be poor in America. There are no bars to opportunity here." He expressed
his frustration that the Democrats control and protect policies which he
believes keep inner city schools and welfare from succeeding.
Horowitz was disgusted by the idea that students "are systematically being
exposed to the idea that your country is something to be ashamed of,"
calling America "God's country."
He supported his view of America's moral superiority by citing instances
where American troops have "saved" people in other countries, particularly
Islamic nations such as Afghanistan and Somalia. He added that the world
"votes with its feet," pointing to the large number of immigrants who have
come to the United States rather than staying in countries where they risk
having their "head sliced off with a machete."
Jessica Colman '05 was disturbed by Horowitz's views on patriotism. "His
whole argument is we should be proud of our country," she said, "but it was
more the necessity of being proud than what you are proud of. It didn't seem
like there was something to be proud of."
Horowitz criticized the pacifist movement and those in America who are
questioning the possibility of war in Iraq, asserting the view that "the
natural state of human beings is war."
He characterized pacifists as "people who tell you the world is going to be
different than it has been for 5,000 years," adding that "those people are
dangerous. If you can make heaven on earth, what crime would you not commit
to get that?"
He challenged pacifists to go to Israel or Iraq, where he said people are
killed regularly, and charged that their views would be indefensible in such
a situation. Colman considered this reasoning misguided, because "he seemed
to be arguing that there were only pacifists in this country, that it's a
privilege. But there are pacifists in Israel. There are pacifists
everywhere."
Horowitz portrayed the United States' decisions to war with Iraq and support
Israel against Palestine as motivated by a greater good. He cited the United
States' interventions in Somalia, Kosovo and Afghanistan as examples of how
"the United States has risked the lives of its own citizens to save
Muslims."
Horowitz claimed that "the Middle East conflict is not about land, state or
self-determination. [Palestinians] were given this in 1948 and their
response was to blow up babies in their baby carriages." He added that
Palestinian society "is a sick culture. This is worse than the Nazis because
the Nazis hid their crimes." In Horowitz's opinion, America is justified in
its intervention.
While Horowitz emphasized that US intervention in the Middle East is not
inspired by oil interests, he also said "if it wasn't for the oil, people
wouldn't look at the Middle East."
Saed Atshan '06 felt this view was indicative of the flawed reasoning behind
the United States' role in the Middle East. "This is what I feel is the
crucial mistake of the U.S.," Atshan said. "The U.S. hasn't looked at the
people and so it hasn't promoted democracies, yet instead chose to support
oppressive dictators for oil concerns."
Horowitz concluded his talk by advising the audience that "you have to get
into the world to see how it works. It's not what they say, it's what they
do."
Karl Heideck '05 responded to the lecture by saying that "colleges compete
for students, and students choose the college they wish to pay for their
education. If he's unhappy with the intellectual monopoly the university
system seems to grant to leftists, why go on the lecture circuit and rant
about it? Why not do something proactive, like founding his own institution
of higher learning? Obviously he's just not trying hard enough. He'd rather
make the buck off the speech than actually change things."
While some who attended were excited to have the chance to hear a
conservative viewpoint on campus, whether they agreed with all of Horowitz's
opinions or not, others were disappointed with his demeanor. Lindsay Brin '
05 said it was not easy to be receptive to the other half of the story, as
Horowitz asked of the students, when it was presented in what she felt was
an antagonistic manner.
--
"God Bless America, land that I love. Stand beside her, and guide her,
through the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the
prairies, to the oceans white with foam. God Bless America, my Home Sweet
Home"
dk
"Liberals HATE America ------"
<LiberalsHATEAmeri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3df3859a$2...@news.meganetnews.com...
> America is God's Country
> By Julia Pompetti
> The Phoenix | December 6, 2002
>
Do you actually read this crap before you post it? The article makes
Horowitz sound like a lunatic...and rightfully so.
Lord dk
Liberals HATE America ------
"dick" <dkin...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:okMI9.1796$lL6....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > America is God's Country
> > By Julia Pompetti
> > The Phoenix | December 6, 2002
> >
>
> Do you actually read this crap before you post it? The article makes
> Horowitz sound like a lunatic...and rightfully so.
Translation: I cannot refute a single fact of this article.
Horowitz was a lunatic when he was a liberal/leftists/communist like
yourself. He's since woken up, now LOVES his country and spends his days
nailing liberal America-Haters like yourself to the wall. I understand you
think anyone who is not a communist America-Hater like yourself to be a
lunatic.
Some call me...Tim
<LiberalsHATEAmeri...@yahoo.com> posted:
> Horowitz was a lunatic when he was a
> liberal/leftists/communist like yourself. He's since woken
> up, now LOVES his country and spends his days nailing
> liberal America-Haters like yourself to the wall.
You never did tell us whether you agreed with Horowitz's
assertion that war protestors should be executed. Do you?
--
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for
president we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest
of the country had of followed our lead we wouldn't of had all
these problems over all these years, either."
--Trent Lott talking about the single issue presidential
campaign Strom ran on his segregationist "Dixiecrat" ticket.
dk
>
> "dick" <dkin...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:okMI9.1796$lL6....@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> > > America is God's Country
> > > By Julia Pompetti
> > > The Phoenix | December 6, 2002
> > >
> >
> > Do you actually read this crap before you post it? The article makes
> > Horowitz sound like a lunatic...and rightfully so.
>
> Translation: I cannot refute a single fact of this article.
Facts? Give me a fucking break!! What facts? Just Horowitz's opinions.
Even the small amount of evidence he provides to support his opinions is
selective and suspect.
> Horowitz was a lunatic when he was a liberal/leftists/communist like
> yourself. He's since woken up, now LOVES his country and spends his days
> nailing liberal America-Haters like yourself to the wall. I understand you
> think anyone who is not a communist America-Hater like yourself to be a
> lunatic.
So I'm a communist America-hater? LOL! What a sad little man you are, that
your best argument is to belch the same tired phrases over and over. While
claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is an American-hater, you
actually disgrace all that is good about your country. Bravo.
Lord dk
Some call me...Tim
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:36:06 -0000, "Some call me...Tim"
><tim...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>"Liberals HATE America ------"
>><LiberalsHATEAmeri...@yahoo.com> posted:
>>
>>> Horowitz was a lunatic when he was a
>>> liberal/leftists/communist like yourself. He's since
>>> woken up, now LOVES his country and spends his days
>>> nailing liberal America-Haters like yourself to the wall.
>>
>>You never did tell us whether you agreed with Horowitz's
>>assertion that war protestors should be executed. Do you?
>
> Only if they get violent.
That's not what Horowitz said. He said they should be treated
like ssaboteurs because they opposed the war.
Here's the quote:
"When your country is attacked there can be no such thing as an
"anti-war" movement. Protesters against America's war on terror,
are not peaceniks, they are America-haters and saboteurs, and
they should be treated as such."
Some call me...Tim
> On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:00:13 -0000, "Some call me...Tim"
><tim...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>March Gibbs <mgibb...@charter.net> posted:
>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:36:06 -0000, "Some call me...Tim"
>>><tim...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Liberals HATE America ------"
>>>><LiberalsHATEAmeri...@yahoo.com> posted:
>>>>
>>>>> Horowitz was a lunatic when he was a
>>>>> liberal/leftists/communist like yourself. He's since
>>>>> woken up, now LOVES his country and spends his days
>>>>> nailing liberal America-Haters like yourself to the
>>>>> wall.
>>>>
>>>>You never did tell us whether you agreed with Horowitz's
>>>>assertion that war protestors should be executed. Do you?
>>>
>>> Only if they get violent.
>>
>>That's not what Horowitz said. He said they should be
>>treated like ssaboteurs because they opposed the war.
>>
>>Here's the quote:
>>"When your country is attacked there can be no such thing
>>as an "anti-war" movement. Protesters against America's war
>>on terror, are not peaceniks, they are America-haters and
>>saboteurs, and they should be treated as such."
>
> I don't agree with the saboteurs part.
>
> And I do believe they have a right and should be allowed to
> look as silly as possible.
Then you disagree with Horowitz. LHA, on the other hand, remains
silent.