#US artists make stand against phony "war" despite threat of blacklisting
The Big Weasel
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Friday June 14, 2002
The Guardian
A group of leading American writers, actors and academics have signed
a statement strongly criticising their government's policies since
September 11. It is an indication of a growing feeling that the
administration is promoting its own agenda on the back of the attacks.
In a statement called Not In Our Name, the signatories say the
government has "declared a war without limit and instituted stark new
measures of repression". They also criticise the media for failing to
challenge the direction the government has taken.
They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
Tony Kushner.
Martin Luther King III, Gloria Steinem, Noam Chomsky, Edward Said and
Rabbi Michael Lerner have added their names, making this the widest
ranging group of opponents of government policy since September 11.
Jeremy Pikser, one of the organisers of the statement, said yesterday
that he had been concerned that the rest of the world was under the
impression that there was no dissent in the US to the bombing of
Afghanistan and the plans for a war against Iraq.
Pikser, a screenwriter who wrote Bulworth, a satire on American
politics in which Warren Beatty played a politician who finally
decided to speak his mind, said some people had been reluctant to add
their names. "A lot of people haven't signed it, although they agree
with it, because they think it might jeopardise other things they're
involved in."
Clark Kissinger, another of the organisers, said they had been
heartened by the number of people wanting to sign.
Mr Kissinger, one of the organisers of the first anti-Vietnam war
marches on Washington in 1965, said he was receiving about 60 emails a
day from people who wanted to add their name to the list.
"It's a shame that there's not a voice of opposition coming out of the
United States."
The statement, which the signatories hope will be published by the
American media, ssays: "We must take the highest officers of the land
seriously when they talk of a war that will last a generation and when
they speak of a new domestic order.
"We are confronting a new openly imperial policy towards the world and
a domestic policy that manufactures and manipulates fear to curtail
rights."
Support for the president's policies remains high, however, and those
who appear critical of them have been accused of lacking patriotism.
It was announced last week that Bill Maher, host of the television
show Politically Incorrect, has not had his contract renewed by ABC.
Maher was criticised for an exchange six days after September 11 in
which he and a guest agreed that whatever else the hijackers were,
they were not "cowardly."
***********
"Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong,
good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western
civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The
reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not
correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West
because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so
forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in
primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY
points out (and often greatly exaggerates)these faults where they
appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are
not the leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He
hates America and the West because they are strong and successful."
--rant from a typical right wing whack
Not dead, in jail or a slave? Thank a liberal!
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Jeffrey Scott Linder
>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
>
>Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
>Friday June 14, 2002
>The Guardian
>
>A group of leading American writers, actors and academics have signed
>a statement strongly criticising their government's policies since
>September 11. It is an indication of a growing feeling that the
>administration is promoting its own agenda on the back of the attacks.
>
>In a statement called Not In Our Name, the signatories say the
>government has "declared a war without limit and instituted stark new
>measures of repression". They also criticise the media for failing to
>challenge the direction the government has taken.
>
>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>Tony Kushner.
hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
JSL
Brain Death
No real surprises on the list--Ossie Davis and Ed Asner are involved
with every leftie cause that comes down the turnpike. Alice Walker,
Eve Ensler, Barbara Kingsolver... nope no shock to see them lending
their name to an anti-American cause. And of course Chomsky, Said and
Steinem are among the inner circle of USA-bashers.
BD
Shel Scott
>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>>
BTW the subject line was modified so as to at least make sense. It
used to read: #US artists make stand against phony "war" despite
threat of blacklisting". There is in fact no way the Bush
administration will give these lightweights the time of day, never
mind bothering to "blacklist" them.
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
<snip>
>>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>>Tony Kushner.
>
>hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
>
Yes, it's a who's who of leftist 'knobs and assorted lunatics.
How hilarious that these folks think their fame lends their opinion
any stature whatever. What complete and utter geeks.
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Foxtrot
>linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
>>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
>>>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>>>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>>>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>>>Tony Kushner.
>>
>>hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
>>
>Yes, it's a who's who of leftist 'knobs and assorted lunatics.
>How hilarious that these folks think their fame lends their opinion
>any stature whatever.
True, nobody gives a gnat's ass what these buffoons think.
I had to salute Sen George Voinovich (R-OH) last week. He
refused to attend a committee hearing on coal mining because
one of the pansies from the Backstreet Boys was a guest
speaker.
Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
wrote:
You DO understand, do you not, that most people see a differnece
between America, and the pitiful drunken fraud in the White House,
right?
>
>BD
Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
>linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
>>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>>>
>I'm here to "damn" "artists without sense"?
>BTW the subject line was modified so as to at least make sense. It
>used to read: #US artists make stand against phony "war" despite
>threat of blacklisting". There is in fact no way the Bush
>administration will give these lightweights the time of day, never
>mind bothering to "blacklist" them.
Few administrations have been as petty and vicious as this one, and
with the return of Cointelpro, expect many "special treats" from your
unelected ruler.
Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
>WellDone (Shel Scott) wrote:
>
>>linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
>>>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>>>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>
>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
>>>>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>>>>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>>>>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>>>>Tony Kushner.
>>>
>>>hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
>>>
>>Yes, it's a who's who of leftist 'knobs and assorted lunatics.
>>How hilarious that these folks think their fame lends their opinion
>>any stature whatever.
>
>True, nobody gives a gnat's ass what these buffoons think.
And you're going to spend hours reassuring us of that, aren't you?
>
>I had to salute Sen George Voinovich (R-OH) last week. He
>refused to attend a committee hearing on coal mining because
>one of the pansies from the Backstreet Boys was a guest
>speaker.
Hell, Voinovich never does his job anyway. What difference would his
presence make?
Ted Clayton
Yeah, it's a sad day when people listen to guys from the entertainment
industry as though they have a clue. Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Fred
Thompson, Charlton Heston, the list goes on....
Ted
Foxtrot
They were all elected to their respective positions. If celebs
like Asner and the Backstreet Boys feel qualified to run things,
they should run for office themselves. Otherwise they're
irrelevant.
Ted Clayton
They were all mouthing off before they got elected to anything, weren't
they?
Ted
Nobody You Know
(SNIP)
The usual suspects. The usual assortment of homosexuals, lesbians, communists,
and jews.
Yawn.
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A communist best serves mankind from the grave.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Foxtrot
>Foxtrot wrote:
>> Ted Clayton <clay...@cmich.edu> wrote:
>>>Yeah, it's a sad day when people listen to guys from the entertainment
>>>industry as though they have a clue. Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Fred
>>>Thompson, Charlton Heston, the list goes on....
>>
>> They were all elected to their respective positions. If celebs
>> like Asner and the Backstreet Boys feel qualified to run things,
>> they should run for office themselves. Otherwise they're
>> irrelevant.
>
>They were all mouthing off before they got elected to anything, weren't
>they?
So what? Their political views didn't carry any inherent
weight back then. Just like Asner's views don't matter now.
Bud Keith
"Ted Clayton" <clay...@cmich.edu> wrote in message
news:3D0A63...@cmich.edu...
You screwed up againTed you just listed all the guys that make sense,but you
did forget Jon Wayne....
>
> Ted
>
Bud Keith
When Reagan started mouthing off he was president of the screen actors guild
and a democrat,then he discovered what a bunch of neer do wells belonged to
the screen actors guild he swiched to the gop and conservatism.Charleton
Heston Marched with Martin Luther King in Selma and worked with King on
civil rights,he also grew up and found what childish bunch Liberals were and
also became a conservative.I dont remember to much about Bono but he was not
active in politics while he was entertaining.Fred Thompson was not known for
being vocal until after he ran for public office
>
> Ted
>
Bud Keith
"Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush" <ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
news:ufkkgucb9mh16oj0d...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:59:49 GMT, WellDone (Shel Scott) wrote:
>
> >linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
> >>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
> >>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
> >>>
> >I'm here to "damn" "artists without sense"?
> >BTW the subject line was modified so as to at least make sense. It
> >used to read: #US artists make stand against phony "war" despite
> >threat of blacklisting". There is in fact no way the Bush
> >administration will give these lightweights the time of day, never
> >mind bothering to "blacklist" them.
>
> Few administrations have been as petty and vicious as this one, and
> with the return of Cointelpro, expect many "special treats" from your
> unelected ruler.
Still kicking that dead horse eh zepp,cant you get it through your thick
liberal head, you lost. Whats even worse its not going to change regardless
of how much you whine.
I also note the you still have your pipe line into the white house where
they share all there planning with you, are you still hallucinating as you
play with your ying yang.
The Big Weasel
wrote:
Well, a lot of people become timid as they get older. They get more
material things, they become sour and disappointed in life, they tend
to make assumptions because they think they've got it all figured out.
In short, they become Republicans.
>>
>> Ted
The Big Weasel
wrote:
Arnie Schwartzenegger, Ted Nugent, Sylvester Stallone, Clint Eastwood,
Nancy Reagan, Dr. Laura....
>
>Ted
The Big Weasel
What public office does Charlton Heston hold?
Foxtrot
>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>Ted Clayton <clay...@cmich.edu> wrote:
>>>Yeah, it's a sad day when people listen to guys from the entertainment
>>>industry as though they have a clue. Ronald Reagan, Sonny Bono, Fred
>>>Thompson, Charlton Heston, the list goes on....
>>
>>They were all elected to their respective positions. If celebs
>>like Asner and the Backstreet Boys feel qualified to run things,
>>they should run for office themselves. Otherwise they're
>>irrelevant.
>
>What public office does Charlton Heston hold?
He's president of the NRA. I didn't say they all held *public*
office, now did I?
Inspector Clouseau
Three of the four you cite got ELECTED.
That changes everything.
Inspector Clouseau
Don't give any ground here: all of the entertainers cited have won their spurs
by
being elected to some position.
the Backstreet idiot's main claim to expertise on strip mining was that he flew
over strip mines....twice.
BIG whoop!
>
>
>
>
>
The Big Weasel
In that case, stop whining about Ed Asner. He was elected, too.
The Big Weasel
wrote:
>
>"Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush" <ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
>news:ufkkgucb9mh16oj0d...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:59:49 GMT, WellDone (Shel Scott) wrote:
>>
>> >linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
>> >>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>> >>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>> >>>
>> >I'm here to "damn" "artists without sense"?
>> >BTW the subject line was modified so as to at least make sense. It
>> >used to read: #US artists make stand against phony "war" despite
>> >threat of blacklisting". There is in fact no way the Bush
>> >administration will give these lightweights the time of day, never
>> >mind bothering to "blacklist" them.
>>
>> Few administrations have been as petty and vicious as this one, and
>> with the return of Cointelpro, expect many "special treats" from your
>> unelected ruler.
>
>Still kicking that dead horse eh zepp,cant you get it through your thick
>liberal head, you lost. Whats even worse its not going to change regardless
>of how much you whine.
Guess what, Buddy? The fact that you meekly let your country fall
into the paws of a right-wing junta isn't GOING to "go away", no
matter how much you whine at me.
>I also note the you still have your pipe line into the white house where
>they share all there planning with you, are you still hallucinating as you
>play with your ying yang.
I don't need a pipe line. All neo-fascist regimes are depressingly
easy to predict.
>> >
>> >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
>> ><snip>
>> >>>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>> >>>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>> >>>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>> >>>Tony Kushner.
>> >>
>> >>hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
>> >>
>> >Yes, it's a who's who of leftist 'knobs and assorted lunatics.
>> >How hilarious that these folks think their fame lends their opinion
>> >any stature whatever. What complete and utter geeks.
>> >--
>> >): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
>> >(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)
>>
>
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Foxtrot
>Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>>>What public office does Charlton Heston hold?
>>
>>He's president of the NRA. I didn't say they all held *public*
>>office, now did I?
>
>In that case, stop whining about Ed Asner. He was elected, too.
Heston is President of the NRA, and he represents their
agenda. WTF qualifies Assner to speak out about the war
on terrorism?
Steve Canyon (Ace)
<ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>
>Well, a lot of people become timid as they get older.
Sure, lol, that's why they want to do away with government regulation
of the economy...
>They get more
>material things, they become sour and disappointed in life, they tend
>to make assumptions because they think they've got it all figured out.
In short, they acquire property that they have worked for all their
lives and they become a bit defensive when the loser lefties come
sneaking around looking to grab some of it for themselves.
>In short, they become Republicans.
--Ace
Steve Canyon (Ace)
wrote:
>
>"Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush" <ze...@zeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
>news:ufkkgucb9mh16oj0d...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:59:49 GMT, WellDone (Shel Scott) wrote:
>>
>> >linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
>> >>The Big Weasel <ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
>> >>>US artists damn 'war without limit'
>> >>>
>> >I'm here to "damn" "artists without sense"?
>> >BTW the subject line was modified so as to at least make sense. It
>> >used to read: #US artists make stand against phony "war" despite
>> >threat of blacklisting". There is in fact no way the Bush
>> >administration will give these lightweights the time of day, never
>> >mind bothering to "blacklist" them.
>>
>> Few administrations have been as petty and vicious as this one, and
>> with the return of Cointelpro, expect many "special treats" from your
>> unelected ruler.
>
>Still kicking that dead horse eh zepp,cant you get it through your thick
>liberal head, you lost. Whats even worse its not going to change regardless
>of how much you whine.
Lefties like Zepp have a real problem with losing. He's already such
a loser in life that he fears one more loss might make him totally
disappear rather than simply be totally irrelevant. It's far easier
for lefties to turn to denial.
>I also note the you still have your pipe line into the white house where
>they share all there planning with you, are you still hallucinating as you
>play with your ying yang.
>> >
>> >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,737004,00.html
>> ><snip>
>> >>>They include the musicians Laurie Anderson and Mos Def, the actors
>> >>>Ossie Davis and Ed Asner, the writers Alice Walker, Russell Banks,
>> >>>Barbara Kingsolver and Grace Paley, and the playwrights Eve Ensler and
>> >>>Tony Kushner.
>> >>
>> >>hehe. That was good for a chuckle.
>> >>
>> >Yes, it's a who's who of leftist 'knobs and assorted lunatics.
>> >How hilarious that these folks think their fame lends their opinion
>> >any stature whatever. What complete and utter geeks.
>> >--
>> >): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
>> >(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)
>>
>
--Ace