#U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
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U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
Published: December 17, 2009
COPENHAGEN — With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
poor nations to combat climate change.
The talks are scheduled to end Friday, when President Obama and more than
100 other heads of state are due to arrive.
Mrs. Clinton’s announcement signaled the first time the Obama
administration had made a commitment to such an extensive financing
effort, even though she did not specify the amount the United States
would contribute along with other nations. She also cautioned that the
United States’ participation was contingent on reaching a firm agreement
this week, one that would require a commitment from China about greater
transparency in its emissions reporting.“A hundred billion can have
tangible effects,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We actually think $100 billion is
appropriate, usable and will be effective.”
The $100 billion figure is in line with estimates by Britain and the
European Union of the needed contributions, although the amount is at the
low end of the range that European countries have suggested.
But Mrs. Clinton warned that the United States would not participate in
such a fund-raising effort without certain assurances from China.
“It would be hard to imagine, speaking for the United States, that there
could be the level of financial commitment that I have just announced in
the absence of transparency from the second-biggest emitter — and now I
guess the first-biggest emitter — and now nearly, if not already, the
second-biggest economy,” Mrs. Clinton said.
China recently surpassed the United States as the largest emitter of
carbon dioxide and is expected to surpass Japan next year to become the
second-biggest economy in the world.
Shortly after Ms. Clinton’s announcement, Yvo de Boer, the head of the
United Nations climate office, welcomed the decision by the United States
to support the fund and said he saw it as a sign that negotiations were
making some progress.
“Hold tight,” Mr. de Boer said. “Mind the doors. The cable car is moving
again.”
But Mr. de Boer also sounded some cautious notes, saying that it was
important to wait and see “if that sum is adequate” in the view of other
nations, and he called on the Americans to put a specific amount of money
on the table for the fund. Mr. de Boer also underlined that structures
would need to be drawn up to control the disbursement and management of
the money.
Mrs. Clinton said the money would be a mix of public and private funds,
including “alternative sources of finance,” which she did not specify.
Nor did she say what the American share would be, although typically in
such multilateral financial efforts the United States contributes about
20 percent. She said the money should chiefly flow to the poorest and
most vulnerable nations and should contain a sizable amount to slow
deforestation, which contributes to carbon dioxide concentrations in the
atmosphere.
The British government released a statement shortly commending Mrs.
Clinton’s announcement.
“It’s an important development and very welcome to have the United States
on the same page as the U.K. and the E.U. in terms of long-term climate
finance,” the statement read.
The announcement from the United States seemed to shift the pessimistic
tone of the talks in which China had signaled overnight that it saw
virtually no possibility that the nearly 200 nations gathered would find
agreement by Friday.
A participant in the talks said that China would agree only to a brief
political declaration that left unresolved virtually all the major issues.
The conference has been deadlocked over emissions cuts by, and financing
for, developing nations, including China, who say they will bear the
brunt of a planetary problem they did little to create. Leaders had hoped
to conclude an interim agreement on the major issues that would have
“immediate operational effect.” The Chinese, it appears, are not willing
to go that far at this meeting.
Whether the Chinese position represents political brinkmanship as senior
ministers and heads of state begin arriving in Copenhagen for the final
48 hours of negotiations, or a genuine signal that Chinese officials are
not inclined to settle the wide differences separating it and developed
nations, was unclear on Thursday morning.
President Obama is due to arrive in Copenhagen on Friday morning to
address the delegates here and negotiate some of the final issues with
fellow heads of state and government. There has been some speculation
that he would not make the trip because of the impasse in talks, but Mrs.
Clinton, when asked at her news conference, said: “The president is
planning to come tomorrow. Obviously we hope that there will be something
to come for.”
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>U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>Published: December 17, 2009
>
>COPENHAGEN ÔøΩ With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
>negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
>that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>poor nations to combat climate change.
Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
billion dollars? Any ideas?
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Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Bert Hyman
<ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
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>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>_r=1&ref=global-home
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>>U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>Published: December 17, 2009
>>
>>COPENHAGEN � With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
>>negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
>>that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday
>>that the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to
>>enable poor nations to combat climate change.
>
> Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
> billion dollars? Any ideas?
Well, it did say the US would "help" raise the money.
But heck, we'll just borrow it from China, like always.
They know we're good for it.
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pyjamarama
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
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> >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
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> >U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
> >By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
> >Published: December 17, 2009
>
> >negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
> >that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
> >the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
> >poor nations to combat climate change.
>
> Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
> billion dollars? Any ideas?
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
A bake sale, perhaps?
Hillary could stay home and make cookies.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
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>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
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>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>_r=1&ref=global-home
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>>U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>Published: December 17, 2009
>>
>>COPENHAGEN � With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
>>negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
>>that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>>the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>>poor nations to combat climate change.
>
>Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
>billion dollars? Any ideas?
Could cut back on 12% of the military spending for one year...
David Hartung
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:32:32 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
>> <de...@dead.com> puked:
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>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>> _r=1&ref=global-home
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>>> U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>> By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>> Published: December 17, 2009
>>>
>>> that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>>> the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>>> poor nations to combat climate change.
>> Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
>> billion dollars? Any ideas?
>
> Could cut back on 12% of the military spending for one year...
We could also take it out of administration salaries. If the Obamafools
want to give this money away, let it be their money, not mine.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
<d_ha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09 wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:32:32 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
>>> <de...@dead.com> puked:
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>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>>> _r=1&ref=global-home
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>>>> U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>>> By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>>> Published: December 17, 2009
>>>>
>>>> COPENHAGEN � With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
>>>> negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
>>>> that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>>>> the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>>>> poor nations to combat climate change.
>>> Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
>>> billion dollars? Any ideas?
>>
>> Could cut back on 12% of the military spending for one year...
>
>We could also take it out of administration salaries. If the Obamafools
>want to give this money away, let it be their money, not mine.
Stopped to consider how much a 3C rise in temperature is going to
cost?
David Hartung
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:04 -0600, David Hartung
> <d_ha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:32:32 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
>>>> <de...@dead.com> puked:
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>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>>>> _r=1&ref=global-home
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>>>>> U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>>>> By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>>>> Published: December 17, 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>>>>> the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>>>>> poor nations to combat climate change.
>>>> Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
>>>> billion dollars? Any ideas?
>>> Could cut back on 12% of the military spending for one year...
>> We could also take it out of administration salaries. If the Obamafools
>> want to give this money away, let it be their money, not mine.
>
> Stopped to consider how much a 3C rise in temperature is going to
> cost?
As yet, there is no sound evidence that such is likely. Nor is there any
sound evidence that any of the "fixes" proposed at this conference will
change anything.
nobody
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>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
>>_r=1&ref=global-home
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>>U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
>>By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
>>Published: December 17, 2009
>>
>>COPENHAGEN � With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
>>negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
>>that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
>>the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
>>poor nations to combat climate change.
>
>Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
>billion dollars? Any ideas?
Bake sale?
pyjamarama
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> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:32:32 -0500, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net>
> wrote:
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> >On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:32:01 -0600, "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09"
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> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/science/earth/18climate.html?
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> >>U.S. Offer of Long-Term Aid Pushes Climate Talks Forward
> >>By JOHN M. BRODER and TOM ZELLER Jr.
> >>Published: December 17, 2009
>
> >>COPENHAGEN With time running out on the stalled Copenhagen climate
> >>negotiations, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave new hope
> >>that an agreement might still be reached when she announced Thursday that
> >>the United States would help raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to enable
> >>poor nations to combat climate change.
>
> >Ok, devil's advocate here. WTF are we going to do to raise $100
> >billion dollars? Any ideas?
>
> Could cut back on 12% of the military spending for one year...
War Criminal Obama is sending 30,000 troops to kill innocent Muslin
women and children in Afghanistan -- where do you think that money's
coming from to pay for that?