[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure out how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of the Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama for it, Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same thing back in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every mindless bigot in the country is painting their stance for them, including the proto-Nazi Steve King.]
Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S. illegally as children
By Muriel Kane
Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
President Obama’s announcement that his administration intends to block the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm of fury on the right.
Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react as they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations of young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have grown up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S. military.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the Des Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president’s executive order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S. statute by waiving the law for certain classes of people but represents a violation of Obama’s oath of office.
“I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United States to suspend his executive order,” King told the paper.
King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999 over a state executive order that would have banned discrimination against gay, lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes that this is “a very, very similar case” and that he is on “very solid constitutional ground.”
He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among conservative voters, because “It’s not longer about what policy you might prefer and it’s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of law.”
Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is “a fight the White House undoubtedly wants — between an administration attempting to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a Republican Party bent on stopping him.”
She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama’s prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric from Republicans like King
Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and that constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case against Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension of the presidential pardon power.
“If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a constitutional confrontation,” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin explained. “But I don’t think you can assert that this is actively defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama’s] discretion as the executive.”
>[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure out >how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of the >Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama for it, >Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same thing back >in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every mindless bigot in >the country is painting their stance for them, including the proto-Nazi >Steve King.]
>Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S. >illegally as children
>By Muriel Kane
>Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
>President Obama’s announcement that his administration intends to block >the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were brought to >the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm of fury on the >right.
>Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react as >they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations of >young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have grown >up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S. military.
>Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the Des >Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president’s executive >order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S. statute by waiving >the law for certain classes of people but represents a violation of >Obama’s oath of office.
>“I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United States >to suspend his executive order,” King told the paper.
>King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999 over a >state executive order that would have banned discrimination against gay, >lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes that this is “a >very, very similar case” and that he is on “very solid constitutional >ground.”
>He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among >conservative voters, because “It’s not longer about what policy you might >prefer and it’s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of law.”
>Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is “a fight >the White House undoubtedly wants — between an administration attempting >to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a >Republican Party bent on stopping him.”
>She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama’s >prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but >because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric from >Republicans like King
>Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive >orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and that >constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case against >Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension of the >presidential pardon power.
If Bush already did this then why isn't it still in effect?
I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not
apply to any that committed a crime.
Now Obama is doing it for votes and might just cancel it after the
election when he can get Flexible as he put it. Another sign that
Obama is not fit to be President.
>“If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a >constitutional confrontation,” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin >explained. “But I don’t think you can assert that this is actively >defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama’s] discretion as >the executive.”
>>[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure
>>out how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of the
>>Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama for it,
>>Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same thing back
>>in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every mindless bigot in
>>the country is painting their stance for them, including the proto-Nazi
>>Steve King.]
>>Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S.
>>illegally as children By Muriel Kane Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
>>President Obama’s announcement that his administration intends to block
>>the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were brought to
>>the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm of fury on
>>the right.
>>Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react
>>as they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations of
>>young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have
>>grown up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S. military.
>>Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the Des
>>Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president’s executive
>>order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S. statute by
>>waiving the law for certain classes of people but represents a violation
>>of Obama’s oath of office.
>>“I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United States
>>to suspend his executive order,” King told the paper.
>>King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999 over
>>a state executive order that would have banned discrimination against
>>gay, lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes that this
>>is “a very, very similar case” and that he is on “very solid
>>constitutional ground.”
>>He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among
>>conservative voters, because “It’s not longer about what policy you
>>might prefer and it’s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of
>>law.”
>>Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is “a fight
>>the White House undoubtedly wants — between an administration attempting
>>to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a
>>Republican Party bent on stopping him.”
>>She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama’s
>>prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but
>>because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric from
>>Republicans like King
>>Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive
>>orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and that
>>constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case against
>>Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension of the
>>presidential pardon power.
> If Bush already did this then why isn't it still in effect?
Because it was time limited.
> I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
> Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not apply
> to any that committed a crime.
It doesn't now. Read the article.
> Now Obama is doing it for votes and might just cancel it after the
> election when he can get Flexible as he put it. Another sign that Obama
> is not fit to be President.
What votes? They still won't be able to vote despite the paranoid right wing belief that half of all voters are illegal aliens. It's just plain humanitarian and common sense to do this. Of course, the GOP are doing themselves immense damage by letting the moronic bigots scream their hatred on their behalf, but that's hardly Obama's fault, is it. Grow a pair and tell the bigots to go fuck themselves.
>>“If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a
>>constitutional confrontation,” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin
>>explained. “But I don’t think you can assert that this is actively
>>defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama’s] discretion as
>>the executive.”
>>>[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure
>>>out how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of the
>>>Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama for it,
>>>Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same thing back
>>>in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every mindless bigot in
>>>the country is painting their stance for them, including the proto-Nazi
>>>Steve King.]
>>>Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S.
>>>illegally as children By Muriel Kane Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
>>>President Obama?s announcement that his administration intends to block
>>>the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were brought to
>>>the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm of fury on
>>>the right.
>>>Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react
>>>as they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations of
>>>young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have
>>>grown up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S. military.
>>>Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the Des
>>>Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president?s executive
>>>order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S. statute by
>>>waiving the law for certain classes of people but represents a violation
>>>of Obama?s oath of office.
>>>?I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United States
>>>to suspend his executive order,? King told the paper.
>>>King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999 over
>>>a state executive order that would have banned discrimination against
>>>gay, lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes that this
>>>is ?a very, very similar case? and that he is on ?very solid
>>>constitutional ground.?
>>>He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among
>>>conservative voters, because ?It?s not longer about what policy you
>>>might prefer and it?s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of
>>>law.?
>>>Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is ?a >fight
>>>the White House undoubtedly wants ? between an administration >attempting
>>>to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a
>>>Republican Party bent on stopping him.?
>>>She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama?s
>>>prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but
>>>because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric from
>>>Republicans like King
>>>Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive
>>>orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and that
>>>constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case against
>>>Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension of the
>>>presidential pardon power.
>> If Bush already did this then why isn't it still in effect?
>Because it was time limited.
>> I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
>> Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not apply
>> to any that committed a crime.
>It doesn't now. Read the article.
I'm talking about a permanent solution not the election stunt.
>> Now Obama is doing it for votes and might just cancel it after the
>> election when he can get Flexible as he put it. Another sign that Obama
>> is not fit to be President.
>What votes? They still won't be able to vote despite the paranoid right >wing belief that half of all voters are illegal aliens. It's just plain >humanitarian and common sense to do this. Of course, the GOP are doing >themselves immense damage by letting the moronic bigots scream their >hatred on their behalf, but that's hardly Obama's fault, is it. Grow a >pair and tell the bigots to go fuck themselves.
LOL How would you stop people from speaking thier opinions?
Don't think anyone is letting them and coming into this country
illegally is not a matter of Bigotry. It is a crime no matter the
race involved.
Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
years have shown.
>>>?If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a
>>>constitutional confrontation,? CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin
>>>explained. ?But I don?t think you can assert that this is actively
>>>defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama?s] discretion >as
>>>the executive.?
>>>>[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure
>>>>out how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of
>>>>the Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama
>>>>for it, Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same
>>>>thing back in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every
>>>>mindless bigot in the country is painting their stance for them,
>>>>including the proto-Nazi Steve King.]
>>>>Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S.
>>>>illegally as children By Muriel Kane Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
>>>>President Obama?s announcement that his administration intends to
>>>>block the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were
>>>>brought to the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm
>>>>of fury on the right.
>>>>Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react
>>>>as they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations
>>>>of young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have
>>>>grown up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S.
>>>>military.
>>>>Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the
>>>>Des Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president?s
>>>>executive order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S.
>>>>statute by waiving the law for certain classes of people but
>>>>represents a violation of Obama?s oath of office.
>>>>?I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United
>>>>States to suspend his executive order,? King told the paper.
>>>>King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999
>>>>over a state executive order that would have banned discrimination
>>>>against gay, lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes
>>>>that this is ?a very, very similar case? and that he is on ?very solid
>>>>constitutional ground.?
>>>>He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among
>>>>conservative voters, because ?It?s not longer about what policy you
>>>>might prefer and it?s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of
>>>>law.?
>>>>Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is ?a
>>fight
>>>>the White House undoubtedly wants ? between an administration
>>attempting
>>>>to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a
>>>>Republican Party bent on stopping him.?
>>>>She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama?s
>>>>prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but
>>>>because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric
>>>>from Republicans like King
>>>>Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive
>>>>orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and
>>>>that constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case
>>>>against Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension
>>>>of the presidential pardon power.
>>> If Bush already did this then why isn't it still in effect?
>>Because it was time limited.
>>> I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
>>> Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not
>>> apply to any that committed a crime.
>>It doesn't now. Read the article.
> I'm talking about a permanent solution not the election stunt.
>>> Now Obama is doing it for votes and might just cancel it after the
>>> election when he can get Flexible as he put it. Another sign that
>>> Obama is not fit to be President.
>>What votes? They still won't be able to vote despite the paranoid right
>>wing belief that half of all voters are illegal aliens. It's just plain
>>humanitarian and common sense to do this. Of course, the GOP are doing
>>themselves immense damage by letting the moronic bigots scream their
>>hatred on their behalf, but that's hardly Obama's fault, is it. Grow a
>>pair and tell the bigots to go fuck themselves.
> LOL How would you stop people from speaking thier opinions?
Why would I want to do that?
> Don't think anyone is letting them and coming into this country
> illegally is not a matter of Bigotry. It is a crime no matter the race
> involved.
So you want to punish these kids who broke the law when they were babies?
> Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
> that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+ years
> have shown.
>>>>?If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a
>>>>constitutional confrontation,? CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin
>>>>explained. ?But I don?t think you can assert that this is actively
>>>>defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama?s] discretion
>>as
>>>>the executive.?
On Jun 15, 6:08 pm, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
> Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not
> apply to any that committed a crime.
That's why border activists object to the term "amnesty" because it
implies "amnesia", or forgetting. They advocate honest accounting of
everyone's record.
Arizona’s right-wing Sheriff who spends his nights prowling for young
homo Mexican migrants Paul Babeu finds President Obama’s new
immigration policy “shocking.”
How dare the Kenyan allow the illegals to stay, doesn’t he know self-
hating homosexual Sheriff Paul Babeu needs the illegals to remain in a
constant state fear of deportation, that way he can extort them for
anal sex?
Pfft.
Here’s what Babeu (future of the RNC) had to say about MaoBama’s
speech:
“Now we have Obama, Holder, and Napolitano that think they can just
unilaterally wave their hand and change the law and policy,” said
Babeu, referring to the president, Attorney General Eric Holder and
Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.”
That’s funny Babeu says that, because according to the Phoenix New-
Times, Babeu “ran all over Pinal County saying he supported “any type”
of guest-worker program and made “a commitment” when he ran for
sheriff that he wouldn’t go after law-abiding immigrants.”
> On Jun 15, 6:08 pm, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
> > Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not
> > apply to any that committed a crime.
> That's why border activists object to the term "amnesty" because it
> implies "amnesia", or forgetting. They advocate honest accounting of
> everyone's record.
> Arizona’s right-wing Sheriff who spends his nights prowling for young
> homo Mexican migrants Paul Babeu finds President Obama’s new
> immigration policy “shocking.”
ROFL, who knew you were such a homophobe, Ramon? :)
> How dare the Kenyan allow the illegals to stay, doesn’t he know self-
> hating homosexual Sheriff Paul Babeu needs the illegals to remain in a
> constant state fear of deportation, that way he can extort them for
> anal sex?
> Pfft.
> Here’s what Babeu (future of the RNC) had to say about MaoBama’s
> speech:
> “Now we have Obama, Holder, and Napolitano that think they can just
> unilaterally wave their hand and change the law and policy,” said
> Babeu, referring to the president, Attorney General Eric Holder and
> Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.”
> That’s funny Babeu says that, because according to the Phoenix New-
> Times, Babeu “ran all over Pinal County saying he supported “any type”
> of guest-worker program and made “a commitment” when he ran for
> sheriff that he wouldn’t go after law-abiding immigrants.”
>>>>>[Zeppnote: The Republicans are so screwed on this. They can't figure
>>>>>out how to react, partly because they want to salvage what's left of
>>>>>the Latino vote, and partly because they know if they condemn Obama
>>>>>for it, Democrats will happily note that George W. Bush did the same
>>>>>thing back in 2004! Meanwhile, even as they don't respond, every
>>>>>mindless bigot in the country is painting their stance for them,
>>>>>including the proto-Nazi Steve King.]
>>>>>Republican may sue to continue deportation of youths brought to U.S.
>>>>>illegally as children By Muriel Kane Friday, June 15, 2012 18:26 EDT
>>>>>President Obama?s announcement that his administration intends to
>>>>>block the deportation of as many as 800,000 young people who were
>>>>>brought to the U.S. illegally as children has already aroused a storm
>>>>>of fury on the right.
>>>>>Most of the Republican Congressional leadership has been slow to react
>>>>>as they weigh the electoral implications of opposing the aspirations
>>>>>of young people who did not choose to commit any illegal acts and have
>>>>>grown up as Americans, in some cases even serving in the U.S.
>>>>>military.
>>>>>Rep. Steve King (R-IA), however, has no such doubts. He informed the
>>>>>Des Moines Register on Friday that he believes the president?s
>>>>>executive order not only violates both the Constitution and U.S.
>>>>>statute by waiving the law for certain classes of people but
>>>>>represents a violation of Obama?s oath of office.
>>>>>?I expect to bring a lawsuit against the president of the United
>>>>>States to suspend his executive order,? King told the paper.
>>>>>King, who successfully sued then-Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack in 1999
>>>>>over a state executive order that would have banned discrimination
>>>>>against gay, lesbian, and transgender government employees, believes
>>>>>that this is ?a very, very similar case? and that he is on ?very solid
>>>>>constitutional ground.?
>>>>>He also sees it as a potentially potent electoral issue among
>>>>>conservative voters, because ?It?s not longer about what policy you
>>>>>might prefer and it?s whether you uphold the Constitution and rule of
>>>>>law.?
>>>>>Rachel Weiner at the Washington Post, however, believes this is ?a
>>>fight
>>>>>the White House undoubtedly wants ? between an administration
>>>attempting
>>>>>to help young immigrants who were raised in the United States and a
>>>>>Republican Party bent on stopping him.?
>>>>>She suggests that the executive order is likely to boost Obama?s
>>>>>prospects among Hispanic voters, not just through his own actions but
>>>>>because also because it may incite extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric
>>>>>from Republicans like King
>>>>>Weiner further notes that George W. Bush regularly issued executive
>>>>>orders on everything from climate change to stem cell research and
>>>>>that constitutional experts are skeptical that King can make a case
>>>>>against Obama employing what is essentially no more than an extension
>>>>>of the presidential pardon power.
>>>> If Bush already did this then why isn't it still in effect?
>>>Because it was time limited.
>>>> I actually think this might not be a bad idea if we can get it made
>>>> Permanent by Congress and the border protected. This should not
>>>> apply to any that committed a crime.
>>>It doesn't now. Read the article.
>> I'm talking about a permanent solution not the election stunt.
>>>> Now Obama is doing it for votes and might just cancel it after the
>>>> election when he can get Flexible as he put it. Another sign that
>>>> Obama is not fit to be President.
>>>What votes? They still won't be able to vote despite the paranoid right
>>>wing belief that half of all voters are illegal aliens. It's just plain
>>>humanitarian and common sense to do this. Of course, the GOP are doing
>>>themselves immense damage by letting the moronic bigots scream their
>>>hatred on their behalf, but that's hardly Obama's fault, is it. Grow a
>>>pair and tell the bigots to go fuck themselves.
>> LOL How would you stop people from speaking thier opinions?
>Why would I want to do that?
You are suggesting others do that.
>> Don't think anyone is letting them and coming into this country
>> illegally is not a matter of Bigotry. It is a crime no matter the race
>> involved.
>So you want to punish these kids who broke the law when they were babies?
Where did I say that? I said I want it passed by Congress and
be permanent. Obama alone can't do that. It is a gimmick for votes
by Obama. That is plain he thinks latinos are stupid.
>> Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>> that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+ years
>> have shown.
>Oooh. The rank sweat of a panicking right winger.
LOL good try and again you are showing how the Democrats use
Class and race warfare for votes. You should feel shame. Try using
good planning as Obama has failed to do as President.
>>>>>?If Obama was actively defying an act of Congress, that would [be] a
>>>>>constitutional confrontation,? CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin
>>>>>explained. ?But I don?t think you can assert that this is actively
>>>>>defying the law. This is simply applying it with [Obama?s] discretion
>>>as
>>>>>the executive.?
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:21:55 -0700, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>It doesn't now. Read the article.
> > I'm talking about a permanent solution not the election stunt.
> Care to explain why your wingers, having Total control of government
> from 2000-2008, and Congressional control 1994-to present haven't
> moved a bit?
Because GOP business owners like the slave labor.
"Work harder, for less money, or I'l have you deported!!"
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:21:55 -0700, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>years have shown.
Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
work last time?
<trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>>So you want to punish these kids who broke the law when they were babies?
> Where did I say that? I said I want it passed by Congress and
>be permanent. Obama alone can't do that. It is a gimmick for votes
>by Obama. That is plain he thinks latinos are stupid.
Well, no, but he DOES know that right wingers are stupid.
>>> Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>> that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+ years
>>> have shown.
>>Oooh. The rank sweat of a panicking right winger.
> LOL good try and again you are showing how the Democrats use
>Class and race warfare for votes. You should feel shame. Try using
>good planning as Obama has failed to do as President.
Class war is the only way we get to take out the right wing garbage
every few decades. Get in line. This time we are going to have to
turn you into some sort of food product. You might be at least worth
pig food. Not much else I can think you're good for.
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:21:55 -0700, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>years have shown.
> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
> work last time?
.
.
.
Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr did.
Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:14:46 -0600, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 01:49:26 -0700, MattB.
><trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>>>So you want to punish these kids who broke the law when they were babies?
>> Where did I say that? I said I want it passed by Congress and
>>be permanent. Obama alone can't do that. It is a gimmick for votes
>>by Obama. That is plain he thinks latinos are stupid.
>If "obama can't do it alone"---and the control of legislation is
>deliberately being thwarted by congress which is republican
>dominated----How does Obame get something before him to sign?
You made a unfounded accusation, I wanted to see your evidence for
it.
What the Dems need to do is make a bill that closely resembles the
Presidents Idea and maybe add a way for eventual citizenship. NOT a
general amnesty. Put it before Congress NOW before the election and
don't intentionally place a deal breaker in it for votes. Then see if
it passes.
That is what both sides do now. They take a good idea and make it
have a deal breaker intentionally for purely political reasons.
Something to point to in the next election. Both sides do this.
>Your logic is either patently and deliberatly ignorant of how
>government works, or you're deliberately pretending to be a stupi
>troll.
LOL I know how it works and many of the dirty tricks both parties
play. You Democrats are playing the Class warfare and now Race cards
because even as the incumbent Obama isn't doing so well. Then that
speech the other day went really bad. Your desperate and think
Latinos will support this temporary measure and vote Democrat. Good
thing is they have seen through the rhetoric to the meat of Obama's
little trick.
What we are seeing here in these liberal replies is desperation.
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:26:49 -0600, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 01:49:26 -0700, MattB.
><trdell1...@gmail.com.......> wrote:
>>>So you want to punish these kids who broke the law when they were babies?
>> Where did I say that? I said I want it passed by Congress and
>>be permanent. Obama alone can't do that. It is a gimmick for votes
>>by Obama. That is plain he thinks latinos are stupid.
>Well, no, but he DOES know that right wingers are stupid.
>>>> Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>> that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+ years
>>>> have shown.
>>>Oooh. The rank sweat of a panicking right winger.
>> LOL good try and again you are showing how the Democrats use
>>Class and race warfare for votes. You should feel shame. Try using
>>good planning as Obama has failed to do as President.
>Class war is the only way we get to take out the right wing garbage
>every few decades. Get in line. This time we are going to have to
>turn you into some sort of food product. You might be at least worth
>pig food. Not much else I can think you're good for.
Well if I need be compared to Food make it a Porterhouse.
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:10:45 -0600, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:21:55 -0700, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>It doesn't now. Read the article.
>> I'm talking about a permanent solution not the election stunt.
>Care to explain why your wingers, having Total control of government
>from 2000-2008, and Congressional control 1994-to present haven't
>moved a bit?
Were not talking about the past were talking about the Present and
future, This is like the Late term abortion bill was for the
Republicans something they did not really want passed. All they had
to do was place a exception for the mothers health and it would have
passed the courts. This is the Dems version of that a ploy to be used
every election and not one they truly want fixed. If they did they
would make a reasonable bill that could pass.
There are bigoted and Racist people in both parties and in all races.
Not much we can do about that.
>>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>>years have shown.
>> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>> work last time?
>.
>.
>.
>Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr did.
>Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
Bush Jr was a idiot and he and Obama are much alike.
>>>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>>>years have shown.
>>> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>>> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>>> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>>> work last time?
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr did.
>>Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
> Bush Jr was a idiot and he and Obama are much alike.
.
.
Another desperate attempt to establish equivalence where there is none!
Now Republicans offer up another empty suit named Willard Romney
>>>>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>>>>years have shown.
>>>> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>>>> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>>>> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>>>> work last time?
>>>.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr did.
>>>Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
>> Bush Jr was a idiot and he and Obama are much alike.
>.
>.
>Another desperate attempt to establish equivalence where there is none!
In your uneducated and biased opinion. OK
>Now Republicans offer up another empty suit named Willard Romney
Desperate much the American people will decide in a few months and
hopefully Obama will be gone and America can start to heal. Obama is
a failed President. Good on Rhetoric but bad on action. Obama the
man without a plan.
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:24:37 -0600, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:21:55 -0700, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>years have shown.
>Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>work last time?
No he should not have extended the Bush Tax cuts and he should
look at EVERY dept for waste and possible cuts.
He should not care more about the election than the long term
solutions to America's problems.
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:12:50 -0600, Yoorghis wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 01:49:26 -0700, MattB. <trdell1...@gmail.com.......>
>> wrote:
>>>>> LOL How would you stop people from speaking thier opinions?
>>>>Why would I want to do that?
>>> You are suggesting others do that.
>> There is no unlimited "speech", Matt-de-lune.
>> There are dozens of reasons, and hundreds of instances that require
>> limitations on speech.
>> Didn't you learn anything from the rise of the Nazi Regime and the
>> teachings of Rightwing German propagandists?
>"How to do it"
I have noticed that many liberals do talk about limited freedoms
on here. They forget even Obama can't just remove the Constitution.
They say to silence people but never say how it should be done.
Strange that is it a Dem secret for after the election and if Obama
wins. His Flexibility he promised the Russians,
>>>>>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>>>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>>>>>years have shown.
>>>>> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>>>>> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>>>>> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>>>>> work last time?
>>>>.
>>>>.
>>>>.
>>>>Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr >>>>did.
>>>>Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
>>> Bush Jr was a idiot and he and Obama are much alike.
>>.
>>.
>>Another desperate attempt to establish equivalence where there is none!
> In your uneducated and biased opinion. OK
>>Now Republicans offer up another empty suit named Willard Romney
> Desperate much the American people will decide in a few months and
> hopefully Obama will be gone and America can start to heal. Obama is
> a failed President. Good on Rhetoric but bad on action. Obama the
> man without a plan.
Republicans McConnell and Böhner have a plan....do nothing no matter how harmful to Americans so long as they can deny Obama a second term.
>>>>>>>Sound like you and yours are wanting a Class war and a race war. All
>>>>>>>that to elect Obama who is not fit to be President as the last 3+
>>>>>>>years have shown.
>>>>>> Whatsamatter, isn't Obama cleaning up Bush's mess fast enough? Just
>>>>>> what do you think he should be doing differently? Cutting taxes on
>>>>>> the rich and deregulation of industry? Hmmm? Let's see... did that
>>>>>> work last time?
>>>>>.
>>>>>.
>>>>>.
>>>>>Obama has deported many more illegals aliens than Republican bush,jr >>>>>did.
>>>>>Obama will continue deporting MORE illegals than Republicans did.
>>>> Bush Jr was a idiot and he and Obama are much alike.
>>>.
>>>.
>>>Another desperate attempt to establish equivalence where there is none!
>> In your uneducated and biased opinion. OK
>>>Now Republicans offer up another empty suit named Willard Romney
>> Desperate much the American people will decide in a few months and
>> hopefully Obama will be gone and America can start to heal. Obama is
>> a failed President. Good on Rhetoric but bad on action. Obama the
>> man without a plan.
>Republicans McConnell and Böhner have a plan....do nothing no matter how >harmful to Americans so long as they can deny Obama a second term.
Rhetoric straight from the liberal hand book.
>Republican strategy?
Rhetoric straight from the liberal hand book.
>OBSTRUCTION!
No there can be no middle ground liberals must always include a deal
breaker.
>They say so in their OWN WORDS.
OK Is that all you got a excuse as to why Obama is a failed
President?
