Kill The Health Care Bill
SMITH29
ups now want to screw health care as well.
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
drug store wants here. Even COSTCO can't touch the prices for expensive
drugs.
Call your congress people and tell them you oppose the bill as written
and especially caving into the drug companies.
We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
--
> Peace and jsutice,
KEEP CLAM!
The29
dilecticon
On _both_sides!
babeejm
> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
> drug store wants here. Even COSTCO can't touch the prices for expensive
> drugs.
> Call your congress people and tell them you oppose the bill as written
> and especially caving into the drug companies.
>
> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
> --
>
> > Peace and jsutice,
>
> KEEP CLAM!
>
> The29
>ITA...there has to be a reason why all these Democratic congresspeople are
not running for re-election. They know a boondoggle when they see one.
SMITH29
That's what I meant by " replace congress " .
ALL OF THEM!!!
Gatt
> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
> drug store wants here.
Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
They're hamstrung by their own politics and ulterior motives.
Basically, what we have now is a decades-old political stalemate and
few people willing to truly put aside politics and do the work that we
almost no longer expect of them.
The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
demise.
dilecticon
> On Dec 17, 12:56 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
>> ups now want to screw health care as well.http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
>> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
>> drug store wants here.
>
> Why are Canadian drugs cheap?
Price controls.
> I always figured it was part of their
> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3020791.html
Canadian prices are low because the Canadian government controls prices.
The Canadian government caps the amount that U.S. pharmaceutical
companies can charge Canadian pharmacies, distributors, and wholesalers.
Those lower wholesale prices mean lower retail prices for Canadians
compared to what Americans pay, at least for drugs under patent.
> Also, do
> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
Some use the internets.
>> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
>> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
>
> They're hamstrung by their own politics and ulterior motives.
> Basically, what we have now is a decades-old political stalemate and
> few people willing to truly put aside politics and do the work that we
> almost no longer expect of them.
>
> The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
> we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
> demise.
Buggery and lead plumbing?
We're 1/2 way there.
SMITH29
> On Dec 17, 12:56 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
>> ups now want to screw health care as well.http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
>> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
>> drug store wants here.
>
> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
It's not a part of the healthcare program Canada has.
THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
WalMart has about 200 generic drugs available for $10.00/90 day supply.
COSTCO has about the same plan.
Your statin and blocker drugs are very very high priced here and about
75% less out of Canada and may come from other countries.
FDA uses the scare tactic that the drugs are not safe and it's illegal
to purchase them. They should have me arrested years ago.
With drugs a blood test or blood pressure test will tell you if the
drugs are working and I have been on them for years with no incident.
My statin drug runs 40 cents/day....
Google is you friend as the Dungdi wood say to find Canada drugs and fax
a prescription to them with a credit card number and your package
arrives in about 10 days.
My daughters doctor didn't want to fax a prescription until she told him
she would get a doctor that would.
THe fax went the next day after some trumpeting and hemming and hawing.
>
>> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
>> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
>
> They're hamstrung by their own politics and ulterior motives.
> Basically, what we have now is a decades-old political stalemate and
> few people willing to truly put aside politics and do the work that we
> almost no longer expect of them.
xxxx
ANd we get the short end of the stick every time.
This is exactly why we all need to band together and vote in a new
congress with an 8 year term limit so a member can't wrangle themselves
into a life time position as a pork barrel specialist with all kinds of
under the table perks and a swollen head to boot.
Chuckie Schumer called an airline hostess a bitch yesterday because she
told him to shut off his phone.
He had to call her up and apologize :-)
>
> The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
> we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
> demise.
xxxx
As I recall they had lead pipes which poisoned them and we have a
congress with lead in it's ass.
SMITH29
> Gatt wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 12:56 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
>>> ups now want to screw health care as
>>> well.http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
>>> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
>>> drug store wants here.
>>
>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap?
>
> Price controls.
I have negotiated price and had them ship free....
ANd you need to shop around Canada for the bestest price.
>
>
>> I always figured it was part of their
>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought.
>
> http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3020791.html
>
> Canadian prices are low because the Canadian government controls prices.
> The Canadian government caps the amount that U.S. pharmaceutical
> companies can charge Canadian pharmacies, distributors, and wholesalers.
> Those lower wholesale prices mean lower retail prices for Canadians
> compared to what Americans pay, at least for drugs under patent.
I get a blocker from India.
>
>
>
>> Also, do
>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>
> Some use the internets.
>
>>> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
>>> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
>>
>> They're hamstrung by their own politics and ulterior motives.
>> Basically, what we have now is a decades-old political stalemate and
>> few people willing to truly put aside politics and do the work that we
>> almost no longer expect of them.
>>
>> The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
>> we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
>> demise.
>
> Buggery and lead plumbing?
>
> We're 1/2 way there.
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> Gatt wrote:
>> On Dec 17, 12:56 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
>>> ups now want to screw health care as
>>> well.http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
>>> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
>>> drug store wants here.
>>
>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
> xxxx
> It's not a part of the healthcare program Canada has.
> THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
> WalMart has about 200 generic drugs available for $10.00/90 day supply.
> COSTCO has about the same plan.
> Your statin and blocker drugs are very very high priced here
I think my statin is about $1.39 for a month. Only thing I'm on that costs
much more than that is Fentanyl and it's $20 after insurance.
Bill Shatzer
> Gatt wrote:
>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
> It's not a part of the healthcare program Canada has.
> THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
Well, that and the fact that drug prices must be approved by the
Patented Medicine Prices Review Board with the power to reject prices
they find unreasonable.
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/38/16/6.2.full
peace and justice,
dilecticon
Har!
From an actual player with some knowledge.
Nice.
dilecticon
> dilecticon wrote:
>> Gatt wrote:
>>> On Dec 17, 12:56 pm, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
>>>> ups now want to screw health care as
>>>> well.http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1834703
>>>> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
>>>> drug store wants here.
>>>
>>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap?
>>
>> Price controls.
> xxxx
> I have negotiated price and had them ship free....
> ANd you need to shop around Canada for the bestest price.
Oh sure, I just mean the govt. artificially sets it.
You're right, province to province it varies.
>>
>>
>>> I always figured it was part of their
>>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought.
>>
>> http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3020791.html
>>
>> Canadian prices are low because the Canadian government controls
>> prices. The Canadian government caps the amount that U.S.
>> pharmaceutical companies can charge Canadian pharmacies, distributors,
>> and wholesalers. Those lower wholesale prices mean lower retail prices
>> for Canadians compared to what Americans pay, at least for drugs under
>> patent.
> xxxx
> I get a blocker from India.
I did not know they were in it too, interesting - learned something.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Also, do
>>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>>
>> Some use the internets.
>>
>>>> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
>>>> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
>>>
>>> They're hamstrung by their own politics and ulterior motives.
>>> Basically, what we have now is a decades-old political stalemate and
>>> few people willing to truly put aside politics and do the work that we
>>> almost no longer expect of them.
>>>
>>> The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
>>> we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
>>> demise.
>>
>> Buggery and lead plumbing?
>>
>> We're 1/2 way there.
> xxxx
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dilecticon
Lobby!
Drooler will be over when his meds locker is empty!
dilecticon
> peace and justice,
>
RETRACT YOUR TREASON!
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SMITH29
I doubt government has anything to do with out of country sales from
independent drug stores in Canada.
They buy from around the world and resell them.
Some people think America is the only place to get good drugs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies
I personally trust nothing from AARP.
>
>
>
> peace and justice,
>
--
dilecticon
They got TARP funds to TRAIN their own monkeys to write more of their
OWN insurance policies.
No lie.
Job "creation"...pshaw!
LDosser
news:hgf9m9$slk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Jeez, do you think he knows where I live?!
Memo to self: Get door cam fixed.
Christopher Helms
> The Congressional members that put us in hock with it's finance screw
> I have used Canada drugs for years and they cost a fraction of what the
> drug store wants here. Even COSTCO can't touch the prices for expensive
> drugs.
> Call your congress people and tell them you oppose the bill as written
> and especially caving into the drug companies.
>
> We need to replace congress before we go ahead with a health care plan.
> The congress we have now isn't doing the job worth a hoot.
It's really kind of weird if you think about it. We have a healthcare
"Reform" bill that was largely written by insurance industry
lobbyists. It's little more than a massive, publicly funded sop for
the insurance industry, so it keeps a massively corrupt system almost
exactly as it is. No competition, no oversight, no public option, no
Medicare buy-in, no nothing except the killing of the "Pre-existing
condition" clause, which sounds good but was really only a
technicality so that everyone would "qualify" to have their money
taken away, no matter how sick they were. The industry's obligation to
actually pay claims is still a little foggy and I find it a little
difficult to believe that their lawyers won't be able to find new
avenues for denials of claims. The insurance industry magnanimously
ceded "pre-existing" so now they won't have any excuse not to accept
your money, which, by the way, will be forcibly taken from you if you
don't hand it over peacefully. Now it's being packed full of fanatical
anti-abortion language. Why the Republicans are so rabidly opposed to
this bill is a complete mystery to me. It was written by the exact
same people who have been jamming their campaign coffers for years.
The same people who wrote the trillion dollar Prescription Drug
Benefit rake-off. This bill could have been sponsored by a Republican
and would have been the fucking meaning of life three years ago.
Apparently an industry friendly bill that screws millions of
Americans, steals their money and provides nothing is unacceptable
because since it's only 95% full of industry and conservative-friendly
stuff, it's still just too communistic for Republicans.
Okay, since we're not supposed to let the perfect be the enemy of the
good, can we let the completely shitty be the enemy of the halfway
decent?
dilecticon
<G>
gb
wrote:
>Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
Less expensive, but not Cheap as the term is correctly used.
The price of drugs is set on what the market will bear. In the US,
anything goes. In Canada, it's not -- the price is negotiated on a
nationwide basis.
It could be done here too. It just isn't.
No drug company loses money selling drugs in Canuckistan. But they do
make a Lot more money selling drugs here.
And yes - people do drive to Canada to get them, though there have
been some barriers erected to try to get them Not to do that.
The rumor that Canajun medicines are less efficacious than those found
in the US is without foundation.
Curt
> > The Greeks and the Romans inspired our way of federal government, but
> > we seem to have lost the hindsight of how they brought about their own
> > demise.
>
> Buggery and lead plumbing?
Borders too big for the legions to defend. Towards the end they were
hiring contractors.
Curt
Curt
> >> THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
>
> > Well, that and the fact that drug prices must be approved by the
> > Patented Medicine Prices Review Board with the power to reject prices
> > they find unreasonable.
>
> >http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/38/16/6.2.full
>
> xxxx
> I doubt government has anything to do with out of country sales from
> independent drug stores in Canada.
Except for trying to stop you from doing it.
Curt
dilecticon
Hint - WE are the contractors...
SMITH29
Why should we compromise anything?
Why accept something you don't fully understand?
Do we trust the present congress?
Why not edit the bill down to something we can comprehend without
question?
Why the big hurry?
dilecticon
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gb wrote:
dated: 10/8/2009
Sender: g...@amusenet.com
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> You should really find another set of friends. ;)
"Not my friends, clearly. Never used one, and wouldn't. Have
considered, once I'm well into my dotage, taking one of the target
rifles and a Gillie Suit into the woods, and simply offing a bunch of
them as far from anything as is possible.
Society would suffer no great loss thereby, seems to me."
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SMITH29
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:12:42 -0800 (PST), Gatt <gat...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>
> Less expensive, but not Cheap as the term is correctly used.
>
> The price of drugs is set on what the market will bear. In the US,
> anything goes. In Canada, it's not -- the price is negotiated on a
> nationwide basis.
>
> It could be done here too. It just isn't.
>
> No drug company loses money selling drugs in Canuckistan. But they do
> make a Lot more money selling drugs here.
I think the pharmacy makes the profit.
If that wasn't the case COSTCO and WalMart would be unable to offer the
drug programs they have in place.
>
> And yes - people do drive to Canada to get them, though there have
> been some barriers erected to try to get them Not to do that.
Order the drugs by phone or internet.
>
> The rumor that Canajun medicines are less efficacious than those found
> in the US is without foundation.
Or drugs from Europe or the Middle East.
Mexico is another matter of interest right now.
gb
wrote:
>gab wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:12:42 -0800 (PST), Gatt <gat...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>>
>> Less expensive, but not Cheap as the term is correctly used.
>>
>> The price of drugs is set on what the market will bear. In the US,
>> anything goes. In Canada, it's not -- the price is negotiated on a
>> nationwide basis.
>>
>> It could be done here too. It just isn't.
>>
>> No drug company loses money selling drugs in Canuckistan. But they do
>> make a Lot more money selling drugs here.
>xxxx
>I think the pharmacy makes the profit.
Nope.
>If that wasn't the case COSTCO and WalMart would be unable to offer the
>drug programs they have in place.
Loss leaders.
>> And yes - people do drive to Canada to get them, though there have
>> been some barriers erected to try to get them Not to do that.
>xxxx
>Order the drugs by phone or internet.
Barriers to mail shipment, or even by commercial courier services.
>> The rumor that Canajun medicines are less efficacious than those found
>> in the US is without foundation.
>xxxx
>Or drugs from Europe or the Middle East.
Depends on who makes them. Oftimes they are the same companies, and
the drugs are shipped back here and sold at US prices.
>Mexico is another matter of interest right now.
Need any Laetrile?
gb
wrote:
>Why should we compromise anything?
Because politics is the art of the Posible, and not the Perfect.
>Why accept something you don't fully understand?
Do you accept MRIs?
>Do we trust the present congress?
More than I'd trust an entirely New one, as you suggest.
>Why not edit the bill down to something we can comprehend without
>question?
Because there is no such thing.
>Why the big hurry?
Why not? There's no Hurry -- the matter has been discussed for about
60 years anyway.
It's about time something got done with it.
Bill Shatzer
> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> SMITH29 wrote:
>>> Gatt wrote:
>>>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>>>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>>>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>>> It's not a part of the healthcare program Canada has.
>>> THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
>> Well, that and the fact that drug prices must be approved by the
>> Patented Medicine Prices Review Board with the power to reject prices
>> they find unreasonable.
>> http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/38/16/6.2.full
> I doubt government has anything to do with out of country sales from
> independent drug stores in Canada.
You would doubt wrongly. The board controls the prices the drug
companies can sell at, including their sales to pharmacies.
If Canadian pharmacies can buy drugs at half the price US pharmacies
can, they can obviously resell those drugs cheaper than can US drug stores.
The canadian drug stores could, of course, mark up their drugs 400% and
try to sell at the same price as US retail drug stores. But they
wouldn't sell much to US customers. And even less to Canadian customers.
peace and justice,
dilecticon
Bill Shatzer
> The rumor that Canajun medicines are less efficacious than those found
> in the US is without foundation.
By and large, canadian pharmaceuticals are made in the same factories by
the same manufacturers and under the same controls as US ones.
The only thing different is the address on the shipping label as the
stuff goes out the door.
peace and justice,
Yer Pal Al
They let the barbarians in to do the agricultural work they didn't
want to do.
Curt
And to do the border defense.
Curt
dilecticon
> The only thing different is the address on the shipping label as the
> stuff goes out the door.
RETRACT YOUR TREASON!
SMITH29
:-)
SMITH29
> SMITH29 wrote:
>> Bill Shatzer wrote:
>>
>>> SMITH29 wrote:
>
>>>> Gatt wrote:
>
>>>>> Why are Canadian drugs cheap? I always figured it was part of their
>>>>> socialist health care but I haven't given it much thought. Also, do
>>>>> people drive to Canada to get them, or what?
>
>>>> It's not a part of the healthcare program Canada has.
>>>> THe drug stores up there simply are not as greedy as ours.
>
>>> Well, that and the fact that drug prices must be approved by the
>>> Patented Medicine Prices Review Board with the power to reject prices
>>> they find unreasonable.
>
>>> http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/38/16/6.2.full
>
>> I doubt government has anything to do with out of country sales from
>> independent drug stores in Canada.
>
> You would doubt wrongly.
According to you, but I don't have any trouble negotiating price with
them. I mean REALLY good prices.
How long have have you been buying drugs out of Canada?
Yer Pal Al
Glad that's not happening here.
SMITH29
xxxx
Thanks, your Moonbat position on matters is always interesting.
Curt
Indeed. Contractors can't be trusted. They work for gain, rather than
love of country.
Curt
dilecticon
You prefer Soviet goons?
LDosser
A. Declare the Health Insurance Industry a 'Public Utility'
B. Regulate the HII G&A costs and Profit
C. Require them to accept pre existing conditions
D. Subsidize those who cannot afford basic insurance
E. Move Medicare, Medicaid and VA to HII coverage
HII = ALL policies covering medical, dental, vision, and prescriptions
dilecticon
The model already exists, it's called automobile insurance.
No reason it can't be molded to accomadate health care.