Re: => McCain is stammering like Palin ... something about Colombia, free trade, drugs, and jobs ... <=
Reality_CheckŠ
Sweet Sue
> He's flaming out ........
Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
she be a role model to women ? In his view, she must represent the
total sum of what all women should strive to be: a media event. a
barbie doll. like his own wife perhaps ? thats how he likes his women,
basically unqualified but easily expolited.
I have a little news for McCain: real women do not need to have their
role models hand-picked by others. we can choose our own, thank you
very much. And one more thing: Sarah Palin is not qualified to lead
America in the event you are unable to fulfill your duties, assuming
you are elected in November. To me, you are confused, old and not a
well man. I know for a fact that malignant melanoma is a deadly cancer
and you have had repeated bouts.
bval...@aol.com
> He's flaming out ........
In case you didn't notice it, McCain kicked Obama's sorry ass.
McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
campaign tactics exchange.
Obama looked angry and stumbled repeatedly as he tried to cope with
what he really told Joe the plumber --guaranteeing the replay of the
clip again and again and underscoring Senator Obama's flexibility when
it comes to facts-- and with what John Lewis said.
Obama's answer on ACORN was a jaw dropper and opens the door to the
downstream media, as does the Ayers exchange. McCain drove this home
without going overboard.
Repeatedly returning to Joe the Plumber was key for McCain, and by the
last half hour Obama was petulantly telling Joe what the "right thing
to do by his employees" was. John McCain then spoke directly to Joe
and put a bright line around Obama's "spread the wealth" line, and the
"fundamental difference" between the campaigns. When Senator McCain
called Senator Obama "Senator Government," he scored. That's the sort
of thing that marks a great debate for McCain.
McCain accomplished more in just the first half of the debate than he
did in the first two debates total, and the second half was just as
good for him. "Spread the wealth" is now the Obama brand, and that
can move the polls. So too can the drilling exchange ("I so admire
Senator Obama's eloquence.") Senator McCain was animated and informed
through-out, and Sebator Obama on the defensive on many occasions,
including the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act." Catholic voters
watching this exchange could not be comfortable with the Obama
dodges. "Another example of the eloquence of Senator Obama,"
countered McCain. "That's the extreme pro-abortion position in
America," McCain replied to Obama's winding explanation.
Obama's mastery of his rote talking points is impressive, but they
failed him on key exchanges tonight. If the McCain campaign produces
a Joe the Plumber ad, and marries it to the Obama/Hoover jab it can
turn this debate on the economy while keeping a focus on Obama's
judgment when it comes to ACORN, Ayers and the rest of Senator Obama's
associates. A very good night for John McCain overall. Obama had a
chance to end the campaign tonight, but just the opposite happened.
Obama was in the prevent defense mode, and McCain moved the ball a
long way down the field.
Thanks to Joe the Plumber, and a brief moment of Obama candor along a
rope line in Ohio.
Hugh Hewitt
bval...@aol.com
> On Oct 15, 8:55 pm, "Reality_Check©" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
> > He's flaming out ........
.
> Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
> choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
> she be a role model to women ?>
Because she's a working class mother of five who has worked her way up
through politics on her own, who took on the establishment and took it
down. She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
nothing but his mouth.
V for Vendicar
<bval...@aol.com> wrote
> McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
> campaign tactics exchange.
Funny, Old Man McCain had people around here rolling on the floor laughing -
at him.
Hell Toupee
>
> .
> > On Oct 15, 8:55 pm, "Reality_CheckŠ" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
> .
> > > He's flaming out ........
> .
> > Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
> > choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
> > she be a role model to women ?>
> .
> Because she's a working class mother
Wrong. She and her husband's net worth is well above that of the
average middle-class US family, and incredibly higher than the typical
working class family.
of five who has worked her way up
> through politics on her own,
Wrong. She relied on political patronage to get ahead in politics, and
some of those patrons she then turned on during her way up.
who took on the establishment and took it
> down.
Nope. She's part of it. She turned on some of them, but used the
others to establish her base in Alaska politics. And to feather her
nest. Who paid for her house, and why did she block an ordinance
requiring building permits? Probably because she didn't want to make
public the companies that were courting her just as they were the
other corrupt Alaskan politicians by giving her freebies.
She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
> nothing but his mouth.
President Obama will be running this country very shortly. I hope you
never get over it.
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Oct 15, 8:55 pm, "Reality_CheckŠ" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
>> He's flaming out ........
>
> Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
> choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
> she be a role model to women ? In his view, she must represent the
> total sum of what all women should strive to be: a media event. a
> barbie doll. like his own wife perhaps ? thats how he likes his women,
> basically unqualified but easily expolited.
> I have a little news for McCain: real women do not need to have their
> role models hand-picked by others. we can choose our own, thank you
> very much.
Hey beeeotch ... if you get out of pocket or uppity, McCain will call you a
*cunt*
like he does his own wife, Cindy.
Reality_CheckŠ
> .
>> On Oct 15, 8:55 pm, "Reality_CheckŠ" <Real...@Check.it> wrote:
> .
>>> He's flaming out ........
> .
>> Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
>> choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
>> she be a role model to women ?>
> .
> Because she's a working class mother of five
And she can't even govern her own family, much less
a State or an entire Nation.
> who has worked her way up
> through politics on her own,
While she's be away gilding her own political career, her unmarried teenage
slut daughter has been out fornicating in unprotected sex and is now
pregnant with a bastard baby.
Repugnikkkan Family Values !
>who took on the establishment and took it
> down.
Bridge to Nowhere!
> She's run a business, a town
Into Financial RUIN.
> and a state.
The Largest PORK BARREL state in the U$A.
Reality_CheckŠ
> .
>> He's flaming out ........
>
> In case you didn't notice it, McCain kicked Obama's sorry ass.
You're as delusional as Palin ...
bval...@aol.com
> > McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
> > campaign tactics exchange.
.
> Funny, Old Man McCain had people around here rolling on the floor laughing -
> at him.
Yeah, whatever.
Let me explain why Obama lost big tonight.
Joe the Plumber.
At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
reduce to poverty.
Here's Joe -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDVM7ODUBn8
Take a look at the man. He's an adult. Take a look at how shifty
Obama is when talking to Joe.
Joe is the sort of man the Democrats used to have as their symbol.
Now the Democrats demonize such men.
So, go back to your little hen party, where you giggle at war heroes
and men who start their own plumbing business.
Sanders Kaufman
news:dd96b7d4-d1d7-4b00...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
> .
>> He's flaming out ........
>
> In case you didn't notice it, McCain kicked Obama's sorry ass.
Over half of all viewers seem to disagree with you.
Sanders Kaufman
news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> reduce to poverty.
More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of failed
Republican policies.
Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss.
Reality_CheckŠ
> .
>>> McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
>>> campaign tactics exchange.
> .
>> Funny, Old Man McCain had people around here rolling on the floor
>> laughing - at him.
> .
> Yeah, whatever.
>
> Let me explain why Obama lost big tonight.
>
> Joe the Plumber.
>
> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> reduce to poverty.
LOL! A guy who wants to buy a business for $300,000.00 .... yeah,
some "poverty" ... LOL!
Reality_CheckŠ
Or if he had an ounce of entrepreneurial sense or ability, he simply start
his own
business.
What a moron.
bval...@aol.com
> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
.
> > At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> > reduce to poverty.
.
> More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of failed
> Republican policies.
But he's not struggling. He's got the funds to buy his own business.
.
>Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss. >
Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
business and create jobs?
bval...@aol.com
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> > <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
> What a moron.
.
He IS simply starting his own business.
bval...@aol.com
> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> > .
> >>> McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
> >>> campaign tactics exchange.
> > .
> >> Funny, Old Man McCain had people around here rolling on the floor
> >> laughing - at him.
.
> > Yeah, whatever.
.
> > Let me explain why Obama lost big tonight.
> > Joe the Plumber.
.
> > At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> > reduce to poverty.
.
> LOL! A guy who wants to buy a business for $300,000.00 .... yeah,
> some "poverty" ... LOL!
He has it now. Obama wants to take his money, and give it to people
Obama deems more worthy.
Sanders Kaufman
news:19166875-45d4-4617...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
> doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
> business and create jobs?
Fact Check:
It's not a NEW business, it's the business he already works for.
He's not planning on creating NEW jobs, just on getting more money for
himself.
Furthermore, since (under Obama's plan) taxes will only be raised on those
who earn more than a quarter million, he won't see ANY increase in his
taxes.
bval...@aol.com
> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:19166875-45d4-4617...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
> > doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
> > business and create jobs?
> Fact Check:
> It's not a NEW business, it's the business he already works for.
When someone buys an established business, it's generally considered a
new business. Such distinctions are matters for adults, and not
children, so it is, of course, no interest to you.
.
> He's not planning on creating NEW jobs, just on getting more money for
> himself.
He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
The more such money is taxes, the fewer jobs will be created.
.
,
> Furthermore, since (under Obama's plan) taxes will only be raised on those
> who earn more than a quarter million, he won't see ANY increase in his
> taxes.
Oh, that's right, because the Messiah has promised to only raise taxes
on people making $250,000 - therefore, people like you are promised
free money for nothing.
Of course, The Messiah has voted for tax increases for people who earn
more than $41,000, but hey, why judge the Messiah by what he DOES,
rather than what he PROMISES during election?
Now, go pray to your god, Obama.
bval...@aol.com
> > .
> >>> McCain scored big with the Joe the plumber exchanges, and with the
> >>> campaign tactics exchange.
> > .
> >> Funny, Old Man McCain had people around here rolling on the floor
> >> laughing - at him.
.
> > Yeah, whatever.
.
> > Let me explain why Obama lost big tonight.
> > Joe the Plumber.
.
> > reduce to poverty.
.
> LOL! A guy who wants to buy a business for $300,000.00 .... yeah,
> some "poverty" ... LOL!
He's not poor now - only after Obama the Messiah is in office.
_ Prof. Jonez _
Then he ain't "buying a business" like the Liar McCain claimed, is he?
And Joe the Plumber would have to be one stump-stupid Repugnikkkan,
to not be able to structure and spread business income in excess of $250k
amongst his family/children to stay under any $250k threshold that
he seems so terrified of.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Oct 15, 9:13 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> .
>>> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
>>> reduce to poverty.
> .
>> More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of
>> failed Republican policies.
> .
> But he's not struggling. He's got the funds to buy his own business.
So what's stopping him?
> .
>> Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
> quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss. >
> .
> Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
> doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
> business and create jobs?
If he really wanted to "create jobs", he could pay his employees more,
and offer them profit sharing in the company, which could be structured
to ALWAYS keep the company's retained taxable income below this $250k
threshold that Repugnikkkans seem so terrified of.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> On Oct 16, 9:17 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:19166875-45d4-4617...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
>>> doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
>>> business and create jobs?
> .
>> Fact Check:
>> It's not a NEW business, it's the business he already works for.
> .
> When someone buys an established business, it's generally considered a
> new business. Such distinctions are matters for adults, and not
> children, so it is, of course, no interest to you.
> .
>> He's not planning on creating NEW jobs, just on getting more money
>> for himself.
> .
> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
is earning?
> The more such money is taxes, the fewer jobs will be created.
Bullshit. Joe could pay his employees more, including the new ones,
which would REDUCE the taxable income to the company.
> ,
>> Furthermore, since (under Obama's plan) taxes will only be raised on
>> those who earn more than a quarter million, he won't see ANY
>> increase in his taxes.
>
> Oh, that's right, because the Messiah has promised to only raise taxes
> on people making $250,000 - therefore, people like you are promised
> free money for nothing.
So you don't agree with McCain's claim to cut/reduce taxes, eh?
>
> Of course, The Messiah has voted for tax increases for people who earn
> more than $41,000, but hey, why judge the Messiah by what he DOES,
> rather than what he PROMISES during election?
Was that before the current Repugnikkkan economic collapse ?
> Now, go pray to your god, Obama.
Pack your bags, Repug, it's going to be a loooong time before you
see your ilk in control of the nation ....
_ Prof. Jonez _
_ Prof. Jonez _
_ Prof. Jonez _
And the other 40% REALLY disagree with him.
Sanders Kaufman
news:6lpi39F...@mid.individual.net...
> bval...@aol.com wrote:
>> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
>
> And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
> is earning?
Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
advantage?
Sanders Kaufman
news:d5790d92-263c-4e7f...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Fact Check:
> It's not a NEW business, it's the business he already works for.
.
> When someone buys an established business, it's generally considered a
> new business.
Riiiigghhht.
Reality_CheckŠ
>
>>> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
>>
>> And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
>> is earning?
>
> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
> advantage?
Not paying his Repugnikkkan taxes sure does ...
Sanders Kaufman
news:6lqq58F...@mid.individual.net...
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
>> advantage?
>
> Not paying his Repugnikkkan taxes sure does ...
A guy who refuses to pay his income taxes and who opposes the one candidate
who would give him a tax break.
What a perfect example of the typical Evangelical Republican and Libertarian
voter.
Reality_CheckŠ
> "Reality_CheckŠ" <Rea...@Check.it> wrote in message
>
>>> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
>>> advantage?
>>
>> Not paying his Repugnikkkan taxes sure does ...
>
> A guy who refuses to pay his income taxes and who opposes the one
> candidate who would give him a tax break.
> What a perfect example of the typical Evangelical Republican and
> Libertarian voter.
Dumber than a bucket of dirt.
bval...@aol.com
> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
Because Obama wants to destroy the Ameican economy.
bval...@aol.com
> > bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> >> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
.
> > And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
> > is earning?
> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
> advantage?
So, this is what the Democrats have become. You desperately need to
destroy the life of a plumber, because he asked Obama an embarrassing
question?
Reality_CheckŠ
> .
>>> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
> .
>>> And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
>>> is earning?
> .
>> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
>> advantage?
> .
> So, this is what the Democrats have become. You desperately need to
> destroy the life of a plumber,
He's not a plumber you lying shitsucker.
> because he asked Obama an embarrassing
> question?
His life is destroyed because John McShame told lies about him in a cheap
political ploy that backfired.
Now go fuck yourself, Repugnikkkan scumbag.
Reality_CheckŠ
> On Oct 16, 12:14 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
The U$ economy is already in ruins thanks to the Criminal Bu$h mob, jackass.
bval...@aol.com
> She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
.
> > nothing but his mouth.
.
> President Obama will be running this country very shortly. I hope you
> never get over it.
.
And that's why you want an incompetent to be president? To cause pain
to Americans?
Reality_CheckŠ
Burn in hellfire, repugnikkkan swine!
bval...@aol.com
> >> She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
.
> >>> nothing but his mouth.
> >> President Obama will be running this country very shortly. I hope you
> >> never get over it.
.
> > And that's why you want an incompetent to be president? To cause pain
> > to Americans?
> Burn in hellfire, repugnikkkan swine!
Me? I'm going to have a blast. Instead of defending Bush, I'll get
to attack the incompetent Obama administration. And believe you me,
Obama will supply all sorts of ammo.
Obama has already promised to sign a bill making offshore drilling
illegal - doubling or tripling the price of oil. Think that the
American people were made with $4.50 gas at the pumps? What do you
think will happen when the price jumps from $2.70 a gallon $8 a
gallon?
I know that you giggle in glee at the though of Rush Limbaugh having
his show be destroyed by the Obama administration - but what happens
when all of talk radio's audience is unified against Obama? When you
add Limbaugh's audience to
Sean Hannity,
Howard Sterns,
Jon Arthur,
Don Imus
Mark Levin,
Laura Ingraham,
Neal Boortz,
Michael Savage,
Bill O'Reilly,
Glenn Beck,
Jon Arthur,
Penn Jillette,
Jay Severin,
Mark Davis,
Dennis Miller,
G. Gordin Liddy,
Oliver North,
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
you're talking about 60 million angry Americans.
If all I were worried about was me having a good time, I'd support
Obama. The problem is that this fool will do actual damage to the
country. Even Biden admits that Barry is going to get the country
attacked by terrorists.
bval...@aol.com
> >>> He's flaming out ........
> >> Around and hour & 35 minutes into things, McCain stated regarding his
> >> choice of Sarah Palin: " she is a role model to women..." Why should
> >> she be a role model to women ?>
.
> > Because she's a working class mother of five
.
> And she can't even govern her own family, >
.
She doesn't? Bristle is going to marry the father and have the
child. Obama, in a similar situation, would force his daughters to
murder his grandchildren.
Since you brought up family, how about Obama letting his own brother
eat garbage, literally. George Obama lives on three cents a day - and
Barry lets him. And yet you have the fucking gall to question Sarah's
family?
.
>...much less a State ...>
.
She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska - the highest rating for a
governor in the United States.
.
>....or an entire Nation.
.
She has run a business, a city and a state. What has Obama run except
his mouth?
.
> > who has worked her way up
> > through politics on her own,
.
> While she's be away gilding her own political career, her unmarried teenage
> slut daughter has been out fornicating in unprotected sex and is now
> pregnant with a bastard baby.
.
Bristle is going to marry the father and raise her child. Obama would
urge his daughters to murder his grandchildren.
.
> Repugnikkkan Family Values !
.
Obama, (who made $4.2 million this year) lets his own brother survive
on garbage and three cents a day.
DemocRAT Family Values.
.
> >who took on the establishment and took it
> > down.
.
> Bridge to Nowhere!
.
Sarah voted against it. Obama voted for it.
.
> > She's run a business, a town
.
> Into Financial RUIN.
.
That is. simply put, a flat out lie.
.
> > and a state.
.
> The Largest PORK BARREL state in the U$A.
.
Nope, not even close. That's because Sarah was able to strong arm the
oil companies to pay Alaskans a fair residual for the oil they pump
out of the state.
Any other softballs that you'd like knocked out of the park, doofus?
bval...@aol.com
> > Fact Check:
> > It's not a NEW business, it's the business he already works for.
.
> > When someone buys an established business, it's generally considered a
> > new business.
> Riiiigghhht.
.
Oh, goodie - yet another lefty who revels in their ignorance of basic
economic truths.
bval...@aol.com
> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Oct 15, 9:13 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> >> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > .
> >>> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> >>> reduce to poverty.
> > .
> >> More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of
> >> failed Republican policies.
> > .
> > But he's not struggling. He's got the funds to buy his own business.
.
> So what's stopping him?
.
more difficult to operate.
Obama has never run a business. He has no idea the damage socialism
would bring.
.
> >> Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
> > quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss. >
.
> > Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
> > doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
> > business and create jobs?
.
> If he really wanted to "create jobs", he could pay his employees more,
> and offer them profit sharing in the company, which could be structured
> to ALWAYS keep the company's retained taxable income below this $250k
> threshold that Repugnikkkans seem so terrified of.
.
How many businesses have you ever run?
Have you ever even had a job?
.
Joe talks of a man he knows who makes $60,000 a year by running a
business which employees two plumbers. Obama's new healthcare plan
would force him to spend an additional $10,000 on each employee,
reducing the man's takehome profit to $40,000.
The plumber could easily make $40,000 a year without the headaches of
running a business.
If Obama does what he's threatening to do, he will fire his two
employees, and take it easy.
Michael Coburn
> On Oct 16, 12:07 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Oct 15, 9:13 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> >> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4-8317-
ac5c9e...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > .
>> >>> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
>> >>> reduce to poverty.
>> > .
>> >> More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of
>> >> failed Republican policies.
>> > .
>> > But he's not struggling. He's got the funds to buy his own business.
> .
>> So what's stopping him?
> .
> Obama's promised crushing taxes, which would make such a business far
> more difficult to operate.
LIE. Obama's tax plan in no way punishes small businesses.
> Obama has never run a business. He has no idea the damage socialism
> would bring.
And you are an idiot.
> .
>> >> Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
>> > quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss. >
> .
>> > Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
>> > doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
>> > business and create jobs?
> .
>> If he really wanted to "create jobs", he could pay his employees more,
>> and offer them profit sharing in the company, which could be structured
>> to ALWAYS keep the company's retained taxable income below this $250k
>> threshold that Repugnikkkans seem so terrified of.
> .
> How many businesses have you ever run?
It is not necessary to run a business to figure out the tax plan or to
just listen to what Obama has said. But you will simply ignore that and
make shit up.
> Have you ever even had a job?
> .
> Joe talks of a man he knows who makes $60,000 a year by running a
> business which employees two plumbers. Obama's new healthcare plan
> would force him to spend an additional $10,000 on each employee,
> reducing the man's takehome profit to $40,000.
That is two lies rolled into one. The Obama health care deal would not
force small businesses to provide health insurance and it it is not
possible to make 60k per year running a business that employs two $40k
per year plumbers. Not unless you are laundering money.
> The plumber could easily make $40,000 a year without the headaches of
> running a business.
>
> If Obama does what he's threatening to do, he will fire his two
> employees, and take it easy.
So you think working as a plumber is "taking it easy". You people are a
real scream.
Richard Eich
bval...@aol.com wrote...
> Joe talks of a man he knows who makes $60,000 a year by running a
> business which employees two plumbers. Obama's new healthcare plan
> would force him to spend an additional $10,000 on each employee,
> reducing the man's takehome profit to $40,000.
>
> The plumber could easily make $40,000 a year without the headaches of
> running a business.
>
> If Obama does what he's threatening to do, he will fire his two
> employees, and take it easy.
Then he doesn't really want to run a business, does he? It takes a
certain type of person to do it, and "Joe's" bud isn't the type.
(BTW, "Joe" is not a real person. It's weird for you GOP guys to
talk about him as though he is.)
--
One nation, under surveillance.
"President Obama" -- say it every chance you can.
"Show me a criminal who is for regulation." - Mani Deli
bval...@aol.com
> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> > .
> >>> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>> He's not going to "get" more money, Joe plans to EARN more money.
> > .
> >>> And what makes Joe think he will EARN more $$ than the current owner
> >>> is earning?
> > .
> >> Perhaps he thinks that being an *unlicensed* plumber puts him at an
> >> advantage?
> > .
> > So, this is what the Democrats have become. You desperately need to
> > destroy the life of a plumber,
>
> He's not a plumber you lying shitsucker.
Why? Because you say he's not? Bwhwahahahahaha.
.
> > because he asked Obama an embarrassing
> > question?
> His life is destroyed because John McShame told lies about him in a cheap
> political ploy that backfired.
Joe's life is not destroyed - Obama's cheap thugs failed. But it is
very revealing just how fascist an Obama administration would be.
.
> Now go fuck yourself, Repugnikkkan scumbag.
Gee, you should be on top of the world. And yet, you're insanely
furious.
bval...@aol.com
> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> >> She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
.
> >>> nothing but his mouth.
.
> >> President Obama will be running this country very shortly. I hope you
> >> never get over it.
.
> > And that's why you want an incompetent to be president? To cause pain
> > to Americans?
>. Burn in hellfire, repugnikkkan swine!
.
Me? I'm going to have a great time. You're the one who's going to
defend an utter incompetent lightweight as he screws up your future.
bval...@aol.com
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:34:36 -0700, bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Oct 16, 12:07 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
> >> bvall...@aol.com wrote:
> >> > On Oct 15, 9:13 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> >> >> <bvall...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:0836dd43-547f-4bd4-8317-
>
>
> >> > .
> >> >>> At last, we have a face of the working Americans who Obama wants to
> >> >>> reduce to poverty.
> >> > .
> >> >> More like someone who is *already* struggling because of 8 years of
> >> >> failed Republican policies.
> >> > .
> >> > But he's not struggling. He's got the funds to buy his own business.
> > .
> >> So what's stopping him?
> > .
> > Obama's promised crushing taxes, which would make such a business far
> > more difficult to operate.
>
> LIE. Obama's tax plan in no way punishes small businesses.
According to Obama it will.
.
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" "
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure
that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for
success too,"
In other words, Joe will be punished for being successful.
> > Obama has never run a business. He has no idea the damage socialism
> > would bring.
.
> And you are an idiot.
.
Not really an answer, is it? Obama has never run a business, and has
no idea the damage socialism causes.
.
> >> >> Had Bush/McCain not wrecked our economy, Joe might already have the
> >> > quarter-million dollars he wants to buy out his boss. >
.
> >> > Joe already has the funds to start his business. The question is, if
> >> > doing so won't produce him any more money, why bother to start a new
> >> > business and create jobs?
.
> >> If he really wanted to "create jobs", he could pay his employees more,
> >> and offer them profit sharing in the company, which could be structured
> >> to ALWAYS keep the company's retained taxable income below this $250k
> >> threshold that Repugnikkkans seem so terrified of.
.
> > How many businesses have you ever run?
.
> It is not necessary to run a business to figure out the tax plan or to
> just listen to what Obama has said.>
.
So much stupidity, so much arrogance, so few words.
I grew up in New Jersey. That state produced three towns which
embraced Obama's philosophy - Newark, Trenton, and New Brunswick.
Newark and Trenton are now burnt out slums. New Brunswick was pretty
much bought up pennies on the dollar from Johnson and Johnson, and now
it's a lovely town.
What Obama wants to do have been tried.
It never works.
.
> > Have you ever even had a job?
.
(crickets)
.
> > Joe talks of a man he knows who makes $60,000 a year by running a
> > business which employees two plumbers. Obama's new healthcare plan
> > would force him to spend an additional $10,000 on each employee,
> > reducing the man's takehome profit to $40,000.
.
> That is two lies rolled into one. The Obama health care deal would not
> force small businesses to provide health insurance and it it is not
> possible to make 60k per year running a business that employs two $40k
> per year plumbers. Not unless you are laundering money.
.
Where did you learn your economic theory, anyway? The little man on
the Monopoly box? Just how much money do you think most small
businesses make? Many small businesses struggle to survive. They
often go out of business, and Obama's taxes will push many marginal
businesses over the edge.
> > The plumber could easily make $40,000 a year without the headaches of
> > running a business.
.
> > If Obama does what he's threatening to do, he will fire his two
> > employees, and take it easy.
.
> So you think working as a plumber is "taking it easy".
.
Compared to running a plumbing business? You bet.
RichTravsky
>
> .
> > >> She's run a business, a town and a state. Obama has run
> .
> > >>> nothing but his mouth.
> ,
> > >> President Obama will be running this country very shortly. I hope you
> > >> never get over it.
> .
> > > And that's why you want an incompetent to be president? To cause pain
> > > to Americans?
> .
> > Burn in hellfire, repugnikkkan swine!
> .
> Me? I'm going to have a blast. Instead of defending Bush, I'll get
> to attack the incompetent Obama administration. And believe you me,
> Obama will supply all sorts of ammo.
Whatever gets you through the day!