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since 1-20-09 <flushthe...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:56 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 18, 4:14 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:12:00 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 16, 8:40 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <w...@provide.net> wrote:
> >> >> >On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
> >> >> >> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
> >> >> >> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
> >> >> >> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
> >> >> >> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
> >> >> >> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
> >> >> >> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
> >> >> >> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
> >> >> >> bankruptcy requests.
> >> >> >> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
> >> >> >> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
> >> >> >> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
> >> >> >> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
> >> >> >> emerged in 2009."
> >> >> >> And further:
> >> >> >> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
> >> >> >> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
> >> >> >> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
> >> >> >> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
> >> >> >> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
> >> >> >> ago."
> >> >> >> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
> >> >> >bosses lost THEIR jobs???
> >> >> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need any
> >> >> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
> >> >> offered are dinosaurs of generations past.
> >> >Although we can agree that Hostess isn't the model for good nutrition,
> >> >they made $800B in 2008.
> >> >> The slide rules of food so to speak.
> >> >> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
> >> >> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
> >> >> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
> >> >> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
> >> >> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
> >> >> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
> >> Welcome back, Al. Wipe that egg off your face yet? ;-)
> >You had your chance to make a wager.
> Yet he lost big time, along with the rest of the nation.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Obama can turn the economy around. I hope we
can get the real unemployment rate down below 5%. I hope there hasn't
been a fundamental change in Americans where hard work and ingenuity
has been replaced by a handout mentality.
Hostess employees voting for unemployment isn't encouraging.
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>On Nov 19, 5:46 am, 1802 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities'
>since 1-20-09 <flushthe...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:56 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
>> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 18, 4:14 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:12:00 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 16, 8:40 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <w...@provide.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> >> >> >> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>> >> >> >> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>> >> >> >> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>> >> >> >> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>> >> >> >> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>> >> >> >> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>> >> >> >> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>> >> >> >> bankruptcy requests.
>> >> >> >> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>> >> >> >> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>> >> >> >> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>> >> >> >> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>> >> >> >> emerged in 2009."
>> >> >> >> And further:
>> >> >> >> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>> >> >> >> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>> >> >> >> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
>> >> >> >> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>> >> >> >> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>> >> >> >> ago."
>> >> >> >> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>> >> >> >bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>> >> >> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need any
>> >> >> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
>> >> >> offered are dinosaurs of generations past.
>> >> >Although we can agree that Hostess isn't the model for good nutrition,
>> >> >they made $800B in 2008.
>> >> >> The slide rules of food so to speak.
>> >> >> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
>> >> >> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
>> >> >> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
>> >> >> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
>> >> >> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
>> >> >> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>> >> Welcome back, Al. Wipe that egg off your face yet? ;-)
>> >You had your chance to make a wager.
>> Yet he lost big time, along with the rest of the nation.
>I hope I'm wrong. I hope Obama can turn the economy around. I hope we
>can get the real unemployment rate down below 5%. I hope there hasn't
>been a fundamental change in Americans where hard work and ingenuity
>has been replaced by a handout mentality.
>Hostess employees voting for unemployment isn't encouraging.
Actually, Hostess employees voted not to play the game anymore with management.
Their pension money was borrowed by the company. Their pay was cut by 8%. And
meanwhile, the CEO gave himself a 300% raise, and nine other execs got a more
than 60% raise, while the company was filing for bankruptcy. Would you have
stayed around to let the fat cats pick off your bones just to say you had a job?
I wouldn't. I'd get another. That is why the US is so great. One can leave a job
if they aren't happy. There is much less job changing in Europe for example.
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>On Nov 19, 3:37 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:56 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Nov 18, 4:14 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:12:00 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 16, 8:40 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <w...@provide.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> >> >> >> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>> >> >> >> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>> >> >> >> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>> >> >> >> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>> >> >> >> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>> >> >> >> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>> >> >> >> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>> >> >> >> bankruptcy requests.
>> >> >> >> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>> >> >> >> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>> >> >> >> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>> >> >> >> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>> >> >> >> emerged in 2009."
>> >> >> >> And further:
>> >> >> >> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>> >> >> >> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>> >> >> >> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
>> >> >> >> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>> >> >> >> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>> >> >> >> ago."
>> >> >> >> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>> >> >> >bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>> >> >> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need any
>> >> >> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
>> >> >> offered are dinosaurs of generations past.
>> >> >Although we can agree that Hostess isn't the model for good nutrition,
>> >> >they made $800B in 2008.
>> >> >> The slide rules of food so to speak.
>> >> >> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
>> >> >> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
>> >> >> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
>> >> >> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
>> >> >> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
>> >> >> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>> >> Welcome back, Al. Wipe that egg off your face yet? ;-)
>> >You had your chance to make a wager.
>> Rubbing your nose in it is worth more than any bet you wouldn't have paid off
>> anyway. ;-)
>Herr Leader commands "revenge". I expect nothing less. Seems the
>safety hammock is so inviting the national trend, whether it is
>Hostess or the election, is to vote against jobs.
Hostess corp. made way too many mistakes, including borrowing from their
employee pension funds to give the corporate cats big raises during a
bankruptcy.
>> >> >I'm good friends with some people at a distributor in my area and they
>> >> >have been dumping Hostess and going with Little Debbie because the
>> >> >product is essentially the same but much cheaper. They also tried to
>> >> >hire away some Hostess people but they couldn't match the pay they
>> >> >were getting.
>> >> It is no secret that Hostess sales were lower in the past years.
>> >Hostess suffered from a diminished market share. Hostess products were
>> >always and regularly stocked in supermarkets but they were losing out
>> >to smaller brands in the convenience stores.
>> Exactly. And they did nothing to change that. No segmenting of the market, no
>> new products to try and bring more into the market, etc.
>It's nice to see you are coming around. Hostess cakes were much more
>expensive than the competition. Especially fruit pies wich were 2X. Do
>you understand how that would affect their market share? I personally
>wouldn't know if their product was superior but their branding is more
>recognizeable to me. Do you think Hostess tried to lower costs?
Diminished market share isn't always attached to product price. There are way
more factors possible. That LD is able to offer a similar substitute at a way
less price though says that the management model of Hostess was a bad one. LD's
parent company uses their variables a lot more savvy than Hostess.
>> >> Whether that is
>> >> from having an antiquated product, little diversification since the 60's,
>> >They charged a premium price for their product. The competition was
>> >about 1/2 the price for their fruit pies.
>> They took the attitude that their product was known and loved and they could ask
>> such money. That might work with other products, but with junk food, the market
>> usually supports the low cost leader.
>So you think Hostess inflated their prices for no good market sense,
>but because of hubris?
No, they just didn't pay attention to trends. If everyone else is selling a
similar product at a far cheaper price, either your product must have a damned
loyal market following or you are being naive. Most people who stuff a Twinkie
in their mouths wouldn't know the difference between that and a copy made
cheaper. It was a bad business model by Hostess. And they chose at the end to
try and pick the bones of their employees, who walked. Everyone lost.
>> >> no
>> >> exportation or planned expansion of their market, use union labor, ignoring
>> >> health trends, higher competition with fresh baked goods, tripling their
>> >> management wages during bankruptcy, or a combination of the above....... doesn't
>> >> matter.
>> >All these are factors that worked against Hostess. However, they still
>> >had a very large market and they were losing share.
>> Exactly what I have been saying.
>No, you've been saying they are going out of business because they had
>an "antiquated product".
They you haven't been listening. No great surprise there. Why were they losing
market share? Hint: I have outlined it at least ten times in various responses.
Go back and learn to read, then read my words. Your answers simply make you look
the fool.
>> And they did nothing to try and change that
>They tried to cut labor expenses.
At the same time as giving their execs huge raises, all while operating under
bankruptcy.
>> except borrow money from their employees pension fund and give their execs a
>> raise. Death wish.
>The hallmark of a union business in its death throws. Everyone wants
>to extract their pound of flesh from the corpse.
The employees didn't want their bones picked while the management continued to
sink the ship.
>> >> Facts are that they cannot compete anymore in todays market.
>> >That is true. "They" - Hostess cannot. Other companies in their market
>> >are expanding.
>> With proper restructuring they could, but not under the current model.
>Which includes lower labor costs.
Of course. Done through many methods. LD, for example uses more automation (less
employees) to produce essentially the same product. And yes, they also use
non-union employees. Hostess could have done both but chose not to. Blame the
unions? Hardly. Blame the management for being foolish with their money.
>> >> I don't
>> >> know why the Right, who wanted GM to go down in flames rather than be bailed
>> >> out, is crying crocodile tears over Hostess.
>> >I wanted GM to go the route of Chrysler in the 80's. I didn't want to
>> >be part owner of motor company that sells a car for $45K that costs
>> >$89K to make.
>> Where is Lee Iacocca when you need him?
>> >> >Buy stock in Little Debbie. Someone will probably buy the Hostess name
>> >> >and sell the same junk for greater profit sans union labor.
>> >> There will always be a market for crap food, unfortunately. New and innovative
>> >> forms of it will replace the familiar brands we knew growing up. Them are the
>> >> facts. Hostess had a long death wish, and rather than the 18,000 employees being
>> >> good soldiers and taking their cuts to work a bit longer, they dug in their
>> >> heels and so did Hostess. A creative company might have looked at all of the
>> >> factors I listed above in their re-structuring. Hostess didn't. Survival of the
>> >> fittest.
>> >And now in the junk-cake market, non-union companies rule. Their
>> >employees don't get the wages, benefits or pensions that those at
>> >Hostess did, but they have jobs.
>> It isn't only the union raising their costs. LD is better at automating
>> processes and requires fewer workers to produce the same amount of product. They
>> have smarter management. But they still aren't segmenting. Face it, if you have
>> a good product and charge a premium for it, and your competitor comes along and
>> charges almost half for a similyr product, you had best do
> >> >---I'm here
> >> >> SOLELY to make fun of rightwing ignorance and stupidity.
> >> >And you're a failure. 1 out of 2 is probably pretty good im your world
> >> >where getting the right shoe on the right foot is an accomplishment.
> >> So---where are Knicklas, Silvershitbag, Robertson, Beck, Fujifart,
> >> Dana, Pineasshole, (and 2 dozen more)??
> >Slumming in Rapid City section 8 housing?
> Are you referring to a private housing corporation built in the 70's
> by a developer that applied for, and got, a fixed rate loan?
A smelly, greasy, bombed-out sanctuary for pedophiles, drug dealers on
the outskirts of Hicksville in the middle of fly-over country. You
call it "home" because you don't have to go far for hookers.
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>>>>>>On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down >>>>>>> > on
>>>>>>> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>>>>>>> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing >>>>>>> > unemployment
>>>>>>> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>>>>>>> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>>>>>>> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all >>>>>>> > about,
>>>>>>> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>>>>>>> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>>>>>>> bankruptcy requests.
>>>>>>> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>>>>>>> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>>>>>>> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>>>>>>> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>>>>>>> emerged in 2009."
>>>>>>> And further:
>>>>>>> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>>>>>>> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>>>>>>> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has >>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>>>>>>> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>>>>>>> ago."
>>>>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>>>>>>bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>>>>> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need
>>>>> any
>>>>> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy
>>>>> shit they
>>>>> offered are dinosaurs of generations past. The slide rules of food so >>>>> to
>>>>> speak.
>>>>> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay
>>>>> afloat,
>>>>> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of
>>>>> even the
>>>>> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products
>>>>> and
>>>>> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing >>>>> to
>>>>> do with
>>>>> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels >>>>> back,
>>>>> rather
>>>>> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>>>> Watching you idiots defend unions that are making it impossible to do
>>>> business in America is sickening.
>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>> Thousands of members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and
>>> Grain Millers International Union went on strike last week after >>> rejecting
>>> in September a contract offer that cut wages and benefits. Hostess said
>>> Friday the company is unprofitable "under its current cost structure, >>> much
>>> of which is determined by union wages and pension costs."
>>> This is yet another classic case of union thugs killing the goose that
>>> laid the golden egg.
>>> Maybe Obama can bail Hostess out, too.
>>Hussein wouldn't bail out Hostess.
>>He'd bail out the union and leave the problem for someone else later on >>like
>>with GM.
>>-Eddie Haskell
> But without the oven and the mixer,
> there won't be any cake.
What in the name of GOD?
-Eddie Haskell
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>>>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>>>> For America.
>>>>> Not for you.
>>>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>>> You're lying.
>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>> You're a sore loser.
>>You're too stupid to know that you and America lost too.
>>-Eddie Haskell
> They're likely just another foreign imbecile that likes to bitch about
> America. I'm betting Canadian. Stupidity appears to be very
> prevalent there.
Many there suffer from US penis envy and want to see us taken down a notch because they feel so inferior.
-Eddie Haskell
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>>> An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
>>> BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese.
>>Kinda like how cigarette producers have also seen big declines in
>>production in the USA. Garsh, unhealthy junk has a hard time finding
>>a market, in an era where people are looking for healthier alternatives.
>>Alert the news media!
> Guess that's why alcohol sales, fast food sales and other brands of
> snack cakes are down and the other hundreds of brands of sweets still
> on the market are all on the verge of bankruptcy yes?
> Oh wait, THEY AREN'T.
> But please feel free to continue being stupid assed non thinking
> apologists for the unions.
<snicker>
-Eddie Haskell
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> >>> >>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do > >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> it.
> >>> >> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
> >>> > They obviously don't need ANY employees.
> >>> > And America's health will improve as a result.
> >>> Bubaddy but but but but..
> >>> > I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news > >>> > for
> >>> > America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
> >>> > Why is that?
> >>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
> >>> -Eddie Haskell
> >>> Nincompoop....I NEVER said it was good news.
> >> Are you confused? Are you Morgoth Bauglir?
> >> "And America's health will improve as a result."
> >> -Eddie Haskell
> >===============
> >The Obamaggot meant to say the Democraps health will improve because > >those
> >18,000 will now need 99 Weeks of Unemployment pay, home mortgage > >assistance
> >from Obama, and of course food stamps like the record other 47 Million > >that
> >are addicted to them now are.
> I look forward to four more years of your pissing and whining about Obama.
> I look forward to a lower unemployment rate which will turn this
> economy around. When will you be done with the "revenge"?
He'll not be done even after losing his nose. That's how stupid they are.
-Eddie Haskell
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> >> Are you referring to a private housing corporation built in the 70's
> >> by a developer that applied for, and got, a fixed rate loan?
> >A smelly, greasy, bombed-out sanctuary for pedophiles, drug dealers on
> >the outskirts of Hicksville in the middle of fly-over country. You
> >call it "home" because you don't have to go far for hookers.
> IOW, you don't know shit?
You and I haven't met, however, I know exactly what you are.
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<caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 19, 5:46 am, 1802 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities'
>since 1-20-09 <flushthe...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:27:56 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
>> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 18, 4:14 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:12:00 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 16, 8:40 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:27:47 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <w...@provide.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ron <roneal1...@att.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Nov 16, 9:00 am, cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Hostess asked the union to not strike, but the union doubled down on
>> >> >> >> > their strike and now the company has decided to cease operations.
>> >> >> >> > 18,000 Hostess workers will now be sent to the growing unemployment
>> >> >> >> > lines. What is so sad, is that the current union workers not only
>> >> >> >> > destroyed themselves, but the they also destroyed the pensions of
>> >> >> >> > retired Hostess workers. Destruction, is what unions are all about,
>> >> >> >> > and an anachronism in these modern times.
>> >> >> >> Hostess problems began in 2004 when they filed the first of two
>> >> >> >> bankruptcy requests.
>> >> >> >> "The company's filing comes nearly three years after its predecessor
>> >> >> >> emerged from bankruptcy proceedings. That company, called Interstate
>> >> >> >> Bakeries and based in Kansas City, Mo., filed for bankruptcy
>> >> >> >> protection in 2004 and changed its name to Hostess Brands after it
>> >> >> >> emerged in 2009."
>> >> >> >> And further:
>> >> >> >> "Hostess has enough cash to keep stores stocked with its Ding Dongs,
>> >> >> >> Ho Hos and other snacks for now as it battles rising labor costs and
>> >> >> >> increased competition. But longer term, the 87-year-old company has a
>> >> >> >> bigger problem: health-conscious Americans favor yogurt and energy
>> >> >> >> bars over the dessert cakes and white bread they devoured 30 years
>> >> >> >> ago."
>> >> >> >> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees? How many union
>> >> >> >bosses lost THEIR jobs???
>> >> >> Rhetorical question at best. The answer? They didn't. They didn't need any
>> >> >> workers anymore. Wonder Bread, Twinkies and the rest of the unhealthy shit they
>> >> >> offered are dinosaurs of generations past.
>> >> >Although we can agree that Hostess isn't the model for good nutrition,
>> >> >they made $800B in 2008.
>> >> >> The slide rules of food so to speak.
>> >> >> Had they flexed with the trends, they might have had a chance to stay afloat,
>> >> >> but to stay with the same products for so many years is the death of even the
>> >> >> fittest companies. Coca-Cola, for example, even changed their products and
>> >> >> diversified to stay on top of the market. This had absolutely nothing to do with
>> >> >> union workers, whose striking was the straw that broke the camels back, rather
>> >> >> the owners and managers, whose shortsightedness killed the company.
>> >> Welcome back, Al. Wipe that egg off your face yet? ;-)
>> >You had your chance to make a wager.
>> Yet he lost big time, along with the rest of the nation.
>I hope I'm wrong. I hope Obama can turn the economy around. I hope we
>can get the real unemployment rate down below 5%. I hope there hasn't
>been a fundamental change in Americans where hard work and ingenuity
>has been replaced by a handout mentality.
>Hostess employees voting for unemployment isn't encouraging.
I fear hope is rapidly fading when the moonbats control most of the
"news" media and virtually all of the public maleducation system,
while considering deceit to be the tool of choice. America's primary
product these days is very stupid people waiting in line for Obamacare
to permanently stitch their lips to the government teat. The human
Obamapede, coming to an urban center near you.
Shed a tear for the Great Experiment, then go clean your guns for the
inevitable looting when it all collapses.
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>>>>>>> How bad will it have to get before you start giving a damn?
>>>>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>>>> Actually, things went quite well last week.
>>>>>> For America.
>>>>>> Not for you.
>>>>>> But Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life prevailed.
>>>>> You're lying.
>>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>>> You're a sore loser.
>>>You're too stupid to know that you and America lost too.
>>>-Eddie Haskell
>>They're likely just another foreign imbecile that likes to bitch about
>>America. I'm betting Canadian. Stupidity appears to be very
>>prevalent there.
> You're right. The pisser and whiner Eddie is Canadian. Eddie? Which > province are
> you in, eh?
Keep posting. I'll let you know when you don't say something stupid.
At any rate, congratulations on the moron you are agreeing with. Makes you a moron as well.
Suck on it.
"A fetus is not alive until it takes its first breath."
"I don't have any beliefs at all, except that I believe I'll have another
diet coke since I'm thirsty. Beliefs are for those who don't have
knowledge."
"About the only thing noteworthy about 9/11 is that NYC got a hole in the
ground that has been far more profitable for the city than the buildings
that used to exist on that spot. Generally it can be said that they are
fairly satisfied with the overall results over the past decade. They
couldn't have done better unless they had planned it
themselves."
"Of course I have a brand in this fire because I had been married to an
immoral slut who I didn't realize was banging half the guys in town whenever
I was away on a business trip and that was often several times a month."
"Given the latest announcement by the WHO regarding cell phone usage and
brain cancer, I'm betting Republicans won't be smart enough to decrease
their cell phone usage."
"Being BORN on either the north American or South American continent or the
Latin America in between the north american and south american continent
more or less conveys the status of being an American."
"People who have never served have no right at all to comment on how
military operations are performed."
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:27 PM
Haskell: The democrats oppose school choice on behalf of the NEA because
they don't want the competition.
Grant: The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) doesn't do any of what you
just claimed.
-Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:42 PM
"Liberals have been winning in this country for well over 200 years"
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"
"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."
-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM
Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.
-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM
"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."
>>>> An antiquated product that isn't healthy goes belly up.
>>>> BFD. Life is tough and hard cheese.
>>>Kinda like how cigarette producers have also seen big declines in
>>>production in the USA. Garsh, unhealthy junk has a hard time finding
>>>a market, in an era where people are looking for healthier alternatives.
>>>Alert the news media!
>>Guess that's why alcohol sales, fast food sales and other brands of
>>snack cakes are down and the other hundreds of brands of sweets still
>>on the market are all on the verge of bankruptcy yes?
>>Oh wait, THEY AREN'T.
>>But please feel free to continue being stupid assed non thinking
>>apologists for the unions.
> You should take an econ class and get back to us, First. Your logic makes
> absolutely no sense whatsoever. And Edel (or Spammy as we like to call > him) also
> doesn't seem to have a clue. Cigarettes and alcohol have a market outside > of the
> US. But only Americans would buy Wonderbread and Twinkies. Their sales > outside
> of the US were almost null. Anyone with half a brain would know that the
> capitalist system always needs new markets and products to flourish. > Hostess was
> locked in the '60's and died as a result. I'm surprised it took so long. > That
> other pastries are doing well doesn't surprise me either. With a choice > between
> something fresh baked and something with a shelf life in the tens of
> years......give me fresh every time.
Translation: mmmm.. That union cock.. mmm.. so good.. slurp.. mmm.. suckle... mmm..
-Eddie Haskell
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>>>>>> People were not buying their products. Unions had nothing to do with
>>>>>> it.
>>>>> MORON! then why did they still need 18,000 employees?
>>>> They obviously don't need ANY employees.
>>>> And America's health will improve as a result.
>>> Bubaddy but but but but..
>>>> I do note one common thread - for most Rmney supporters, bad news for
>>>> America is regarded as _good_ news for them.
>>>> Why is that?
>>> Nice try, but why is 18,000 people losing their jobs good news to you?
>>I don't think this is what he means. He thinks 18,000 people loosing
>>there jobs is seen by republicans as good news for America. And any
>>failure of the Obama agenda is seen as good news for America. He's wrong
>>about the 18,000 lost jobs, but he is right about how republicans see
>>Obama's agenda. The Obama agenda, if successful would spell disaster for
>>America. A FUNDAMENTAL transformation of America is not what republicans
>>want. Furthermore, if democrats, understood this means, they would not
>>want this fundamental transformation either.
>>> -Eddie Haskell
> Little Eddie is sooooo stooopid. He blames unions for the Hostess closing > and at
> the same time feels sorry for the 18,000 union workers who lost their jobs
> because of the strike and company going belly up. So which is it, Little > Eddie?
> Unions good, or feel sorry for them?
No, unions stupid and fuck themselves. Including the people that would not be a member if they had the choice, stoopid.
> You are a pathetic little wretch.
Furthermore, this not only affects the union workers, but the thousands employed in industries doing maintenance and providing supplies. But you'd have to have a brain to understand that the morals to care in the first place.
And you don't.
Moder@tor: mmm.. suckin' that union cock.. mmmm... jobs? Fuck jobs... mmm.. good... slurp.. suck... slurp..
-Eddie Haskell
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:00:19 -0700, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:33:49 -0800, 1809 murdered in Obama's
>'organized communities' since 1-20-09 <flushthe...@whitehouse.gov>
>wrote:
>>>Hostess employees voting for unemployment isn't encouraging.
>>I fear hope is rapidly fading when the moonbats control most of the
>>"news" media and virtually all of the public maleducation system,
>Why should you worry?
>You listen to that fake news "faux snooze" or one of the dozen or so
>unreliable rags funded by conservative billionaires.
>You're not even smart enough to actually watch Live feeds on NON news
>outlets (C-SPAN, ie) and then use your OWN brain to figure out that
>conservatives do not represent your best interests
>You watch faux--and they air "crafted messages" to tell you what you
>watched in terms that: a) agree with what you already believe, or b)
>what conservatives want you to believe.
>Faux snooze was originated for that specific purpose.
At least they don't have Al (not too) Sharpton, professional liar and
loon.
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