Boooooooookkkkkssss
Morelin
I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
I read popular fiction under duress
I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
I don't do Romance
I only occasionally read non-fiction.
I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
throat. And that means in person.*
Any suggestions?
Morelin
*Not really, I just love that line.
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"Morelin" <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>
> I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> I read popular fiction under duress
> I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> I don't do Romance
> I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> throat. And that means in person.*
>
> Any suggestions?
Have you read George RR Martin?
Morelin
Yes.
Morelin
Yog-Sothoth
<Vsvmd.17202$fC4....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, made the following
shapes:
If you didn't, then try Martin. Else go for the Malazan books from
Steven Erikson
Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty, waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung
>> Have you read George RR Martin?
>
> Yes.
>
> Morelin
Ann Marston?
Eric (Van) Lustbader?
Mickey Zucker Reichert?
Juliet E McKenna?
David Gemmell?
Chris Bunch?
David Eddings?
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Ilya the Recusant
Here's a few.
Robert Heinlein - Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
Arthur C. Clarke - The City and the Stars
Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination
Alfred Bester - The Demolished Man
Theodore Sturgeon - More Than Human
Jeff Vandermeer - City of Saints and Madmen
M. John Harrison - Light
Samuel R. Delaney - Dhalrgren
G.K. Chesterton - The Man Who Was Thursday
Roger Zelazny - Lord of Light
Mervyn Peake - Ghormenghast: Titus Groan & Ghormenghast
John Brunner - The Shockwave Rider
Rudy Rucker - Software
Alex Irvine - One King, One Soldier
Gene Wolfe - Book of the New Sun
Tim Power - Declare
Alastair Reynolds - Redemption Space
>Morelin
Ilya the Recusant
-----------------
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first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
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Morelin
lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
> Morelin wrote:
>
>>>Have you read George RR Martin?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>
>
>
Yes
> Eric (Van) Lustbader?
Don't think so
> Mickey Zucker Reichert?
One of hers, at least.
> Juliet E McKenna?
Read the first two, and started the third, but it's kinda dragging.
> David Gemmell?
All of them
> Chris Bunch?
Nope. Any you recommend I start on?
> David Eddings?
*buys ticket to NZ*
Morelin
> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Morelin
> <sn...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>
>
> Here's a few.
>
> Robert Heinlein - Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
Own it. (unless my mom sold it :( I think they sold/tossed most of my
book collection after I left)
> Arthur C. Clarke - The City and the Stars
> Alfred Bester - The Stars My Destination
> Alfred Bester - The Demolished Man
> Theodore Sturgeon - More Than Human
> Jeff Vandermeer - City of Saints and Madmen
> M. John Harrison - Light
> Samuel R. Delaney - Dhalrgren
> G.K. Chesterton - The Man Who Was Thursday
> Roger Zelazny - Lord of Light
> Mervyn Peake - Ghormenghast: Titus Groan & Ghormenghast
> John Brunner - The Shockwave Rider
> Rudy Rucker - Software
> Alex Irvine - One King, One Soldier
> Gene Wolfe - Book of the New Sun
> Tim Power - Declare
> Alastair Reynolds - Redemption Space
I read the first three in the Zelazny Amber series, but when the story
moved on to the children, I lost interest.
And, I'm not into Hard sci-fi. It hurts my brain when they go all
technical. I prefer Bujold and Feintuch. How many of the above are hard?
Aside from Arthur C Clarke and Heinlein?
Morelin
Morelin
Morelin
Morelin
Hmm, never heard of him.
Morelin
~Brian~
of the reviews.
I still need to update the site though - I have people emailing me their
suggestions and hope to have it updated soon. (end of semester is coming
soon)
Btw, we still need to all get together - and get lil Angus to come visit as
well. NC still treating you guys well?
~Brian
--
You've been mostly-dead all day.
http://www.geocities.com/perrin24/afrj-authors.htm
(AFRJ's Recommended Reading)
Ilya the Recusant
Uhm.
They're...not really...genre books. That's why I listed them.
Redemption Space and Light are space-opera in form, but exceedingly
well written. Rucker I've never actually been able to find a copy of,
but his material comes highly recommended.
Everything else is the fiction that falls into the cracks. And The
City and the Stars is just beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. The way it
unfolds, the direction it takes, and how it ends...very well written,
despite Clarke's noted penchant for work-man like prose.
And The Man Who Was Thursday? Baarillliant. It's strange, it's funny,
and well written.
As a recommendation that had slipped my mind:
Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman - Good Omens
Morelin
ALl right, I'll look into them at work. Thanks.
> Everything else is the fiction that falls into the cracks. And The
> City and the Stars is just beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. The way it
> unfolds, the direction it takes, and how it ends...very well written,
> despite Clarke's noted penchant for work-man like prose.
>
> And The Man Who Was Thursday? Baarillliant. It's strange, it's funny,
> and well written.
>
> As a recommendation that had slipped my mind:
>
> Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman - Good Omens
Own it.
Morelin
> You could always reference the site below - but then Shannon wrote about 80%
> of the reviews.
*grin* ANd since I read most of the stuff before him, anyway ...
> I still need to update the site though - I have people emailing me their
> suggestions and hope to have it updated soon. (end of semester is coming
> soon)
>
> Btw, we still need to all get together - and get lil Angus to come visit as
> well. NC still treating you guys well?
Yeah. Although Shannon is discovering the joys of changing seasons.
Yog-Sothoth
<2vvpdaF...@uni-berlin.de>, made the following shapes:
> Yog-Sothoth wrote:
>
> > Goat like "mgraves" <mgr...@midammetal.com> while grazing in
> > <Vsvmd.17202$fC4....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, made the following
> > shapes:
> >
> >>"Morelin" <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >>news:2vve81F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
> >>>
> >>>I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> >>>I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> >>>I read popular fiction under duress
> >>>I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> >>>I don't do Romance
> >>>I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> >>>I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> >>>If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> >>>throat. And that means in person.*
> >>>
> >>>Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>Have you read George RR Martin?
> >
> >
> > If you didn't, then try Martin. Else go for the Malazan books from
> > Steven Erikson
>
> Hmm, never heard of him.
He is as good as Martin. I think that only the first book is
published in the US, but you can order all 5 of them from Canada.
The books in the order they were written are:
Gardens of the Moon
Deadhouse Gates
Memories of Ice
House of Chains, and
Midnight Tides.
The first one is not as good as the rest. The guy is a god.
Jussi Uosukainen
> Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>
> I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> I read popular fiction under duress
> I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> I don't do Romance
> I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> throat. And that means in person.*
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Morelin
> *Not really, I just love that line.
Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
/jussi
Ilya the Recusant
<sn...@optonline.net> wrote:
>ALl right, I'll look into them at work. Thanks.
Always a pleasure.
Ilya the Recusant
Hobb sucks.
Morelin
Read, read, never heard of, read.
Morelin
Matt Wuz Hear
> Any suggestions?
Lian Hearn
John Marco
Jaqueline Carey
Sean Russell
Steven Brust
All worth reading, and not pure trash that you can't get through....
Oh, and if you want to go historical fiction, try George McDonald
Frasier "Flashman." There's about 14 of them, all short, but funny,
lewd, and unbelievable the number of 19th century figures and events the
one character meets/plays a part in.
--
I can't get drunk and vomit next to a guy I don't respect.
- Karl Karlson
Morelin
> Morelin wrote:
>
>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>
> Lian Hearn
> John Marco
I read one of his series, and Shanno nsays the other one wasn't really good.
> Jaqueline Carey
Own them.
> Sean Russell
> Steven Brust
Read everything he's written.
I'll check out the other two, though.
Morelin
Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty, waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung
>> Eric (Van) Lustbader?
>
> Don't think so
Start with the sunset warrior, And then shallows of night. and then Daisan, which basically means Big guy.
>> Mickey Zucker Reichert?
>
> One of hers, at least.
Read the renshai series. Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>> Juliet E McKenna?
>
> Read the first two, and started the third, but it's kinda dragging.
Book 3 was good. and so was book 4
>
>> David Gemmell?
>
> All of them
>
>> Chris Bunch?
>
> Nope. Any you recommend I start on?
The Seer king
>
>> David Eddings?
>
> *buys ticket to NZ*
'bout fucking time
And I recomend you start with the diamond throne or whatever it was, as that series is 2 books shorter than the
Belgeriad and is pretty much the same.
>
> Morelin
Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty, waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung
> Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>> Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
>
> Read, read, never heard of, read.
>
> Morelin
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> Hobb sucks.
But not as good as your mama!!!
>
> Ilya the Recusant
> -----------------
> "Asshole" has a special place in my childhood, the point at which I
> first learned that typical Americans were assholes.
> - C&J
--
Ilya the Recusant
- Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u
other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
wrote:
>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>> Hobb sucks.
>
>But not as good as your mama!!!
*snort*
My mum wrote treatises on economics in the Soviet Union. And that's a
fuckload more tolerable than Hobb.
keatin...@gmail.com
>
> I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> I read popular fiction under duress
> I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> I don't do Romance
> I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> throat. And that means in person.*
>
> Any suggestions?
First suggestion, boycott Fantasy/sf for a while. I've been doing this
for a few months now. In this time I've read all sorts fiction and
non-fiction.
Some reccomendations would be:
"The life of Pi" by Yann Martel
"The Coma" by Alex Garland, author of "The Beach" as well which is a
great book and a bad film.
"The portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce.
"Heart of Darkness" by Josef Conrad, madness.
I could reccomend a few books about the Irish War of Indepnedence and
civil war but I doubt you'd be interested.
Brinner
TheKro
lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
>
>
>>>Eric (Van) Lustbader?
>>
>>Don't think so
>
>
> Start with the sunset warrior, And then shallows of night. and then Daisan, which basically means Big guy.
>
Just thought I'd mention that, while I enjoy van Lustbader's usual
fiction, I found the fantasy series Satters is recommending here the
worst of his stuff I've read so far. Although he apparently has a later
fantasy series I haven't read any of yet.
What I found a really cool read a few years back was Jostein Gaarder's
"Sophie's World". Bit of a "fiction" primer on philosophy. Just so I'm
not only critical.
Otherwise, 1984 should be read.
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Jussi Uosukainen
> Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>
>> Morelin wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>>>
>>> I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
>>> I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
>>> I read popular fiction under duress
>>> I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
>>> I don't do Romance
>>> I only occasionally read non-fiction.
>>> I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
>>> If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit
>>> your throat. And that means in person.*
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Morelin
>>> *Not really, I just love that line.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>
>
> Read, read, never heard of, read.
>
> Morelin
Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
/jussi
Jussi Uosukainen
>
> *snort*
>
> My mum wrote treatises on economics in the Soviet Union. And that's a
> fuckload more tolerable than Hobb.
>
>
Look, I am not trying to be difficult or anything, but writing economics
in the USSR wasn't too hard. I mean, something about a monkey and a
typewriter.
"Give all your money to the state, and we will give you what you need."
Unless you were in the upper echelons of the party, when it was:
"Give all your money to us, and we will have nice holidays by the black
sea."
/jussi
Morelin
> Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot
> lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
> waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
>
>> Morelin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Eric (Van) Lustbader?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't think so
>>
>>
>>
>> Start with the sunset warrior, And then shallows of night. and then
>> Daisan, which basically means Big guy.
>>
>
> Just thought I'd mention that, while I enjoy van Lustbader's usual
> fiction, I found the fantasy series Satters is recommending here the
> worst of his stuff I've read so far. Although he apparently has a later
> fantasy series I haven't read any of yet.
>
> What I found a really cool read a few years back was Jostein Gaarder's
> "Sophie's World". Bit of a "fiction" primer on philosophy. Just so I'm
> not only critical.
Philosophy huh? Maybe I'll give it a go, then.
> Otherwise, 1984 should be read.
*grin* Yeah, I should probably read that.
Morelin
> Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
I have. It is readable, as Angels and Demons.
I know, I read too much.
Morelin
lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
> Morelin wrote:
>
>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>
>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>
>
> James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
Morelin
> Morelin <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<2vve81F...@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>>
>>I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
>>I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
>>I read popular fiction under duress
>>I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
>>I don't do Romance
>>I only occasionally read non-fiction.
>>I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
>>If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
>>throat. And that means in person.*
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>
> First suggestion, boycott Fantasy/sf for a while. I've been doing this
> for a few months now. In this time I've read all sorts fiction and
> non-fiction.
You know, I have considered that and I notice a number of suggestions
are away from that catergory. I walked through the section yesterday and
went meh.
> Some reccomendations would be:
>
> "The life of Pi" by Yann Martel
> "The Coma" by Alex Garland, author of "The Beach" as well which is a
> great book and a bad film.
> "The portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce.
> "Heart of Darkness" by Josef Conrad, madness.
Thanks.
> I could reccomend a few books about the Irish War of Indepnedence and
> civil war but I doubt you'd be interested.
Hmmm, are they fictionalized? Or straight history?
Morelin
lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
> Morelin wrote:
>
>
>>>Eric (Van) Lustbader?
>>
>>Don't think so
>
>
> Start with the sunset warrior, And then shallows of night. and then Daisan, which basically means Big guy.
THanks.
>>>Mickey Zucker Reichert?
>>
>>One of hers, at least.
>
>
> Read the renshai series. Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read the Bifrost Guardians stuff, which I really enjoyed a lot, I'll
see if I can find the other series, too.
>>>Juliet E McKenna?
>>
>>Read the first two, and started the third, but it's kinda dragging.
>
>
> Book 3 was good. and so was book 4
The problem I found is they start out kinda slow. That and it's usually
a few months in between.
>>>David Gemmell?
>>
>>All of them
>>
>>
>>>Chris Bunch?
>>
>>Nope. Any you recommend I start on?
>
>
> The Seer king
All right.
>>>David Eddings?
>>
>>*buys ticket to NZ*
>
>
> 'bout fucking time
*grin* Now, Sats, I'm an engaged woman. I'm sorry, but it just wouldn't
work between us.
> And I recomend you start with the diamond throne or whatever it was, as that series is 2 books shorter than the
> Belgeriad and is pretty much the same.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
Mark
> Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>
> I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> I read popular fiction under duress
> I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> I don't do Romance
> I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> throat. And that means in person.*
You should send Skippy to do it for you.
> Any suggestions?
You've probably got a long list by now however I'll add a few more.
I haven't read much sci-fi/fantasy recently but I did enjoy Lady in Gil
by Rebecca Bradley (short, light-hearted fantasy - I think there are
sequels but it works fine on its own), The Black Chalice by Marie Jakober
(medieval Germanic fantasy), Pattern Recognition by William Gibson (sci-
fi, but not very) and Quake City by John Spencer (sci-fi detective noir).
Other fiction I've enjoyed recently:
The Corrections - Johnathon Frantzen
Brighton Rock - Graham Greene
Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Vernon God Little - DBC Pierre
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - Robert Tressell
The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time - Mark Haddon
Dubliners - James Joyce
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
> Morelin
Mark
Jussi Uosukainen
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:46:52 -0500, Morelin said:
>
>
>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>>
Frank McCourt: Angelas Ashes and the sequel (Tis: A Memoir)
/jussi
Brinner
> keatin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Morelin <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<2vve81F...@uni-berlin.de>...
> >
> >>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
> >>
> >>I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
> >>I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
> >>I read popular fiction under duress
> >>I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
> >>I don't do Romance
> >>I only occasionally read non-fiction.
> >>I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
> >>If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
> >>throat. And that means in person.*
> >>
> >>Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > First suggestion, boycott Fantasy/sf for a while. I've been doing this
> > for a few months now. In this time I've read all sorts fiction and
> > non-fiction.
>
> You know, I have considered that and I notice a number of suggestions
> are away from that catergory. I walked through the section yesterday and
> went meh.
I started getting that feeling about 2 years ago myself, hence the boycott.
>
> > Some reccomendations would be:
> >
> > "The life of Pi" by Yann Martel
> > "The Coma" by Alex Garland, author of "The Beach" as well which is a
> > great book and a bad film.
> > "The portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce.
> > "Heart of Darkness" by Josef Conrad, madness.
>
> Thanks.
Nay bother.
>
> > I could reccomend a few books about the Irish War of Indepnedence and
> > civil war but I doubt you'd be interested.
>
> Hmmm, are they fictionalized? Or straight history?
Straight history told in the first person, autobiographical and some written
after the fact.
Brinner
Matt Wuz Hear
>
> Matt Wuz Hear wrote:
>
> I read one of his series, and Shanno nsays the other one wasn't really good.
I will have to agree with Shanno's assessment.
> > Sean Russell
> > Steven Brust
>
> Read everything he's written.
Did you read his grocery list? That was a gas.
> I'll check out the other two, though.
Do it. Now!
Ilya the Recusant
Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>/jussi
Ilya the Recusant
You forgot the caviar. To Siberia with you!
>/jussi
Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty, waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung
> Just thought I'd mention that, while I enjoy van Lustbader's usual
> fiction, I found the fantasy series Satters is recommending here the
> worst of his stuff I've read so far. Although he apparently has a
> later
> fantasy series I haven't read any of yet.
Yeah, I actually didn't like the very first book I read of Lustbaders, which was the followup to Daisan, so it was years
later I read sunset warrior and loved it. I have read some of his ninja series and Blackheart which I liked a lot.
I also forgot Mary gentle's "Orcs" which is good up to about 2/3rds through when it gets a little scifi and off track.
Morelin
lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung wrote:
> TheKro wrote:
>
>>Just thought I'd mention that, while I enjoy van Lustbader's usual
>>fiction, I found the fantasy series Satters is recommending here the
>>worst of his stuff I've read so far. Although he apparently has a
>>later
>>fantasy series I haven't read any of yet.
>
>
> Yeah, I actually didn't like the very first book I read of Lustbaders, which was the followup to Daisan, so it was years
> later I read sunset warrior and loved it. I have read some of his ninja series and Blackheart which I liked a lot.
Hmmm, ok.
> I also forgot Mary gentle's "Orcs" which is good up to about 2/3rds through when it gets a little scifi and off track.
Read it.
Morelin
> Morelin wrote:
>
>>Matt Wuz Hear wrote:
>
>
>>I read one of his series, and Shanno nsays the other one wasn't really good.
>
>
> I will have to agree with Shanno's assessment.
Grrr.
>>>Sean Russell
>>>Steven Brust
>>
>>Read everything he's written.
>
>
> Did you read his grocery list? That was a gas.
The tangerines were especially funny.
>>I'll check out the other two, though.
>
>
> Do it. Now!
*salutes* Yes, sir!
Morelin
> "Morelin" <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:303nvcF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>keatin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Morelin <sn...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:<2vve81F...@uni-berlin.de>...
>
>>>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>>>>
>>>>I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
>>>>I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
>>>>I read popular fiction under duress
>>>>I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
>>>>I don't do Romance
>>>>I only occasionally read non-fiction.
>>>>I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
>>>>If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
>>>>throat. And that means in person.*
>>>>
>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>First suggestion, boycott Fantasy/sf for a while. I've been doing this
>>>for a few months now. In this time I've read all sorts fiction and
>>>non-fiction.
>>
>>You know, I have considered that and I notice a number of suggestions
>>are away from that catergory. I walked through the section yesterday and
>>went meh.
>
>
> I started getting that feeling about 2 years ago myself, hence the boycott.
2 years? Wow. I hope I don't have to avoid it that long.
>>>Some reccomendations would be:
>>>
>>>"The life of Pi" by Yann Martel
>>>"The Coma" by Alex Garland, author of "The Beach" as well which is a
>>>great book and a bad film.
>>>"The portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce.
>>>"Heart of Darkness" by Josef Conrad, madness.
>>
>>Thanks.
>
>
> Nay bother.
>
>
>>>I could reccomend a few books about the Irish War of Indepnedence and
>>>civil war but I doubt you'd be interested.
>>
>>Hmmm, are they fictionalized? Or straight history?
>
>
> Straight history told in the first person, autobiographical and some written
> after the fact.
Hmmm, but is it dry? I have no problem with learning, I just like it to
be exciting, too.
Morelin
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:46:52 -0500, Morelin said:
>
>
>>Ok, guys. I need a good book/books to read.
>>
>>I like sci-fi/fantasy. (I've read most Pratchett)
>>I'm willing to give a 'classic' a go
>>I read popular fiction under duress
>>I like Clive Cussler/Robert Ludlum mystery/thriller type books
>>I don't do Romance
>>I only occasionally read non-fiction.
>>I've done as much Goodkind as I can stomach.
>>If you mention Eddings, I will personally visit your home and slit your
>>throat. And that means in person.*
>
>
> You should send Skippy to do it for you.
>
>
>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>
> You've probably got a long list by now however I'll add a few more.
*grin* ANd most of em I've read.
> I haven't read much sci-fi/fantasy recently but I did enjoy Lady in Gil
> by Rebecca Bradley (short, light-hearted fantasy - I think there are
> sequels but it works fine on its own), The Black Chalice by Marie Jakober
> (medieval Germanic fantasy), Pattern Recognition by William Gibson (sci-
> fi, but not very) and Quake City by John Spencer (sci-fi detective noir).
>
> Other fiction I've enjoyed recently:
>
> The Corrections - Johnathon Frantzen
> Brighton Rock - Graham Greene
> Tender is the Night - F. Scott Fitzgerald
> Vernon God Little - DBC Pierre
> The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - Robert Tressell
> The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time - Mark Haddon
> Dubliners - James Joyce
> One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
THanks.
Morelin
I think I may have a copy of that, actually(Shannon buys book all the
time, and I usually read them first and convice him he needs to read it
RIGHT NOW)
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>> Morelin wrote:
>>
>>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>>
>> James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
>
>Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
>more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
[J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
"Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
C&J
--
Beware of Trojans, they're complete smegheads.
- 13 & 13b of 12, the CMM Collective.
- www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org
Jussi Uosukainen
> Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:47 -0500 -
> there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
> and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>
>>>Morelin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>>>
>>>James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
>>
>>Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
>>more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
>
>
> [J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
> takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
> in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
> hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
> as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
> and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
> recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
> "Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
>
>
/jussi
Morelin
> Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:47 -0500 -
> there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
> and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>
>>>Morelin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>>>
>>>James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
>>
>>Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
>>more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
>
>
> [J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
> takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
> in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
> hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
> as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
> and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
> recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
> "Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
Hmmm. Well, I'll look into it, then, but take it with a grain of salt.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Jussi Uosukainen
<ju...@iki.fi>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
You mean it's not in code?
What a ripoff.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
<q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>
>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
mgraves
"Jussi Uosukainen" <ju...@iki.fi> wrote in message
news:cni000$1d1$2...@news.bbnetworks.net...
It's not horrible, but it's a bit contrived. Did you hear that they are
trying to get Tom Hanks to play Dr. Langdon and that tight little wench from
Van Helsing to play Sophie.
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:47 -0500 -
>there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
>and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>>> Morelin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
>>>
>>> James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
>>
>>Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
>>more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
>
>[J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
>takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
>in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
>hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
>as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
>and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
>recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
>"Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
I've been told by several people now that one of the details -
Catholic Priests in Japan at that time, was way off, and there weren't
actually there. Rather, their presence served as a plot-device for the
story.
I own the book, but I only read the first 100 pages several years ago
and was bored by it.
>C&J
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>following stuff:
>
>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>
>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>
>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
I'm trying.
Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>C&J
Ilya the Recusant
She wasn't French. So she's not being hired. Because they're going for
characters who're actually French, or British, etc.
mgraves
"Ilya the Recusant" <q...@deadspam.net> wrote in message
news:1acsp09dvqeu2j024...@4ax.com...
They're not hiring her because of that little detail? It's an American film
for Christ's sake!!! We are talking about a country that saw no problem
with Kevin Costner as Robin Hood. I bet the Van Helsing tart wasn't
Transylvanian either, but as long as she has the proverbial ass like a ten
year old boy, who the fuck cares about an accent.
What about that Parillaud chick from Nikita? Hairy armpits, psychotic stare
and all, I'd still touch her with my ten foot pole. She's probably aged a
bit too much in the last fifteen years to play Sophie, but maybe she has a
daughter.
keatin...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>Hmmm, are they fictionalized? Or straight history?
> >
> >
> > Straight history told in the first person, autobiographical and some written
> > after the fact.
>
> Hmmm, but is it dry? I have no problem with learning, I just like it to
> be exciting, too.
>
Not dry at all if you're an Irish Republican(in no way similar to an
american republican, thank god), I'll let you judge though.
Try reading "On Another Mans Wound" by Ernie O'Malley. Its a
brilliantly written as well as being factual.
Enjoy.
Brinner
Morelin
Ilya the Recusant
Mate - I'm not the one making the movie. I'm just passing the line.
But as I said before, they want actors who're actually of the
ethnicity of the characters in the book. It's not an unreasonable
thing to do.
And the woman's name in Van Helsing is Kate Beckinsale. She's British.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news04/041115l.php
I was picturing somebody like Gerard Butler when I read "The Da Vinci
Code", which is why the news today comes as a surprise. Newsweek
reports that Tom Hanks has been pegged to play the lead role of Robert
Langdon in Sony's upcoming film adaptation of the Dan Brown novel
sensation.
This would be the third teaming of Hanks with Director Ron Howard and
Producer Brian Grazer after 1984's "Splash" and 1995's "Apollo 13".
Howard says "Tom is an exciting actor to watch thinking, we probably
don't need his status from a box-office standpoint - but he gives
Langdon instant legitimacy".
Jean Reno is apparently on Grazer's short list as the bullish cop Bezu
Fache. The duo want actual foreign actors to play the book's foreign
characters which is why one recent Oscar winning actress was turned
away when enquiring about the lead female role of Parisian
cryptologist Sophie Neveu.
Satsujinki - Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty, waist and a round thing in ur face u get sprung
> Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
Because you were drunk and/or stoned last year
Ilya the Recusant
- Kabuki Man Extraordinaire - I like big butts and I cannot lie u
other brotherz can't deny when a girl walks in with a itty, bitty,
wrote:
>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>> Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>
>Because you were drunk and/or stoned last year
Hee hee.
*has a beer. Or two*
This year is no different.
I do so love Canada.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
<q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>
>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>
>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>
>I'm trying.
>
>Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
At the risk of making an old joke, you were *fairly* trying last year.
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>following stuff:
>
>>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>>
>>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>>
>>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>>
>>I'm trying.
>>
>>Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>
>At the risk of making an old joke, you were *fairly* trying last year.
Hee Haw.
Jackass.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
<q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>>>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>>>
>>>I'm trying.
>>>
>>>Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>>
>>At the risk of making an old joke, you were *fairly* trying last year.
>
>Hee Haw.
>
>Jackass.
That too.
TheKro
> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &
> Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>
>>Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:41 -0500 -
>>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
>><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>>following stuff:
>>
>>
>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>
>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>
>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>
>
> I'm trying.
>
> Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>
>
No. Last year you were plenty trying.
--
TheKro
#a.f.r-j
Try to think. It's the best way to become intellectual. - C&J
#r.g.g
Do you think that when the Japanese see a game of Othello, they ask
"Is it like Go, then?" - IR
#r.g.r.a.
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Ilya the Recusant
<skr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &
>> Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>>
>>>Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:41 -0500 -
>>>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
>>><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>>>following stuff:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>>
>>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>>
>>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>>
>>
>> I'm trying.
>>
>> Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>>
>>
>
>No. Last year you were plenty trying.
Surely not just last year.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
<q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>>[J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
>>takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
>>in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
>>hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
>>as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
>>and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
>>recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
>>"Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
>
>I've been told by several people now that one of the details -
>Catholic Priests in Japan at that time, was way off, and there weren't
>actually there. Rather, their presence served as a plot-device for the
>story.
[J] Several people are wrong. The Jesuit Francis Xavier arrived in
Kagoshima in 1549, and received permission to preach the same year.
The events of the book begin sometime around the year 1600, if memory
serves me correctly, and in 1601 the first native Japanese priests
were ordained in Nagasaki. Thus there were plenty of Catholic priests
around at the time of the story.
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
Alright.
Thanks for correcting that. It's been noted in my logs.
TheKro
> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, TheKro
> <skr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>>
>>>In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &
>>>Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:41 -0500 -
>>>>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
>>>><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>>>>following stuff:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm trying.
>>>
>>>Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No. Last year you were plenty trying.
>
>
> Surely not just last year.
>
>
Indeed. But last year as well.
keatin...@gmail.com
> Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:47 -0500 -
> there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
> and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
> >> Morelin wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
> >>
> >> James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
> >
> >Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
> >more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
>
> [J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
> takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
> in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
> hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
> as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
> and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
> recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
> "Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
>
I really liked Shogun myself, read it about 10 years ago now. Tried
"Noble House" as well but found it very disapointing. I don't really
know any Japanese people so I have no one to dismiss it for me.
Brinner
keatin...@gmail.com
> Morelin wrote:
>
Is it really though? I was going to borrow it from someone, but its
getting slated on a lot of the history NG's. Those people seem to know
what they are talking about. Check out soc.history.ancient ( thanks
Janica) for instance.
Brinner
Chucky & Janica
this guy, or something, called keatin...@gmail.com, and they made
us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>> Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>
>Is it really though? I was going to borrow it from someone, but its
>getting slated on a lot of the history NG's. Those people seem to know
>what they are talking about. Check out soc.history.ancient ( thanks
>Janica) for instance.
[J] You're welcome. I haven't really followed the thread in question,
since I haven't read the book, but I think the basic verdict is that
the story is good, but the history side of it is crap.
The theory (Holy Grail=Jesus' son, or whatever spin the book puts on
it) isn't new, anyway, and it was a kooky theory to begin with.
I like the discussions in soc.history.ancient, though. "Hi, my name is
Agamemnon. Don't say Alexander the Great was gay, he's my ancestor and
so is Achilles, and I get offended if you do." Great fun.
Brinner
"Chucky & Janica" <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote in message
> Once upon a time - for example, 23 Nov 2004 00:42:38 -0800 - there was
> this guy, or something, called keatin...@gmail.com, and they made
> us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
> >> Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
> >
> >Is it really though? I was going to borrow it from someone, but its
> >getting slated on a lot of the history NG's. Those people seem to know
> >what they are talking about. Check out soc.history.ancient ( thanks
> >Janica) for instance.
>
> [J] You're welcome. I haven't really followed the thread in question,
> since I haven't read the book, but I think the basic verdict is that
> the story is good, but the history side of it is crap.
>
> The theory (Holy Grail=Jesus' son, or whatever spin the book puts on
> it) isn't new, anyway, and it was a kooky theory to begin with.
True enough I suppose, I'll probably read it at some stage.
>
> I like the discussions in soc.history.ancient, though. "Hi, my name is
> Agamemnon. Don't say Alexander the Great was gay, he's my ancestor and
> so is Achilles, and I get offended if you do." Great fun.
>
Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
other over there is an example to all narrow minded nationalists.
Brinner
Ilya the Recusant
How about a history book?
>Brinner
Ilya the Recusant
<skr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, TheKro
>> <skr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ilya the Recusant wrote:
>>>
>>>>In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &
>>>>Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:04:41 -0500 -
>>>>>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
>>>>><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>>>>>following stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you read Da Vinci code? It's readable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is not in itself a reason to read it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah. Ilya's posts are sometimes readable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm trying.
>>>>
>>>>Last year, I wasn't trying at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>No. Last year you were plenty trying.
>>
>>
>> Surely not just last year.
>>
>>
>
>Indeed. But last year as well.
I hope you're counting this year too.
Ilya the Recusant
I find it funny how they all want to lay claim to the legacy of a
conqueror whose legacy is bloodshed.
Something about that tickles me funny.
>Brinner
keatin...@gmail.com
> >
> >Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
> >other over there is an example to all narrow minded nationalists.
>
> I find it funny how they all want to lay claim to the legacy of a
> conqueror whose legacy is bloodshed.
Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
Brinner
Ilya the Recusant
Bahahaha!
"It's all about the YMCA! It's all about death, slaughter, conquest
and the YMCA!"[1]
>Brinner
[1] Not, naturally enough, Young Men's Christian Association at the
time. In it's alternative history form, it was called the Young
Macedonian Cartographic Assploration.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called "Brinner"
<briank...@lycos.com>, and they made us all feel better by saying
the following stuff:
>> I like the discussions in soc.history.ancient, though. "Hi, my name is
>> Agamemnon. Don't say Alexander the Great was gay, he's my ancestor and
>> so is Achilles, and I get offended if you do." Great fun.
>
>Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
>other over there is an example to all narrow minded nationalists.
[J] Too true, and I can just imagine what it must be like in
newsgroups that are more oriented towards that topic.
*grin* Any minute now, Org is going to show up here, though.
Chucky & Janica
this guy, or something, called keatin...@gmail.com, and they made
us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>> >Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
[J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
was gay...
Hassu Seta
> Once upon a time - for example, 24 Nov 2004 04:24:36 -0800 - there was
> this guy, or something, called keatin...@gmail.com, and they made
> us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>>> >Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at
>>> >each other over there is an example to all narrow minded
>>> >nationalists.
>>>
>>> I find it funny how they all want to lay claim to the legacy of a
>>> conqueror whose legacy is bloodshed.
>>
>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>
> [J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
> Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
> was gay...
It would be interesting to see if the words "Gay" or "Homosexual" as we
understand them now even existed in Macedonia in Alexander's period.
Because likely they just had less...restrictive rules about these
same-gender relationships. Plato's Symposium makes as much evident.
> C&J
Ilya
Hassu Seta
> Once upon a time - for example, Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:55:44 -0000 -
> there was this guy, or something, called "Brinner"
> <briank...@lycos.com>, and they made us all feel better by saying
> the following stuff:
>
>>> I like the discussions in soc.history.ancient, though. "Hi, my name is
>>> Agamemnon. Don't say Alexander the Great was gay, he's my ancestor and
>>> so is Achilles, and I get offended if you do." Great fun.
>>
>>Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
>>other over there is an example to all narrow minded nationalists.
>
> [J] Too true, and I can just imagine what it must be like in
> newsgroups that are more oriented towards that topic.
>
> *grin* Any minute now, Org is going to show up here, though.
He's already whinging on about how he's disappointed that the movie sucks.
Even though he hasn't seen it yet, the filly fop.
> C&J
>
Ilya
keatin...@gmail.com
> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space,
> keatin...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Chucky & Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote in message news:<23grp01p8fsebfq7o...@4ax.com>...
> >> Once upon a time - for example, Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:47 -0500 -
> >> there was this guy, or something, called Morelin <sn...@optonline.net>,
> >> and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
> >>
> >> >> Morelin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Jussi Uosukainen wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Hobb. Tad Williams. Clavell(!). Douglas Adams.
> >> >>
> >> >> James Clavell - Shogun, and a shit load of other books about japan
> >> >
> >> >Oh, yeah, now it's ringing a bell. Is it accurate Japanese stuff? Or
> >> >more the high fantasy they feed to Americans?
> >>
> >> [J] I'm not sure. "Shogun", which is the first one of his that I read,
> >> takes its inspiration from some real sailor who got stranded in Japan
> >> in the 17th century, and it seems well-researched, but on the other
> >> hand, the only Japanese person I've heard comment on it dismissed it
> >> as "bullshit". Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to find out more,
> >> and then I lost interest in Clavell. If you want to try him, my
> >> recommendations are "Shogun" and "Rat King". I tried "Gai-Jin" and
> >> "Noble House", but didn't really like either one of them.
> >>
> >
> >I really liked Shogun myself, read it about 10 years ago now. Tried
> >"Noble House" as well but found it very disapointing. I don't really
> >know any Japanese people so I have no one to dismiss it for me.
>
> How about a history book?
>
The events are historically accurate are they not?
Brinner
Hassu Seta
news:b32903e.04112...@posting.google.com:
Unless they're American. Then they'll find a way to mention 11 September.
In 1609.
Hassu Seta
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Hassu Seta
<MadOff...@spammail.tokyo>, and they made us all feel better by
saying the following stuff:
>>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>>
>> [J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
>> Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
>> was gay...
>
>It would be interesting to see if the words "Gay" or "Homosexual" as we
>understand them now even existed in Macedonia in Alexander's period.
[J] Of course not. "Gay" is an English word, not a Greek one.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Chucky & Janica
<janica...@kolumbus.finland>, and they made us all feel better by
saying the following stuff:
>>> >Great fun indeed, the way the Greeks and Macedonians are going at each
>>> >other over there is an example to all narrow minded nationalists.
>>>
>>> I find it funny how they all want to lay claim to the legacy of a
>>> conqueror whose legacy is bloodshed.
>>
>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>
>[J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
>Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
>was gay...
[J] Correction: One son, born posthumously.
But I say he was still gay.
Hassu Seta
> Once upon a time - for example, Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:38:07 -0600 -
> there was this guy, or something, called Hassu Seta
> <MadOff...@spammail.tokyo>, and they made us all feel better by
> saying the following stuff:
>
>>>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>>>
>>> [J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
>>> Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
>>> was gay...
>>
>>It would be interesting to see if the words "Gay" or "Homosexual" as we
>>understand them now even existed in Macedonia in Alexander's period.
>
> [J] Of course not. "Gay" is an English word, not a Greek one.
The idea of "Homosexual."
And I don't have any of my history books on hand to investigate. Yair.
> C&J
Hassu Seta
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Hassu Seta
<MadOff...@spammail.tokyo>, and they made us all feel better by
saying the following stuff:
>>>>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>>>>
>>>> [J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
>>>> Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean he
>>>> was gay...
>>>
>>>It would be interesting to see if the words "Gay" or "Homosexual" as we
>>>understand them now even existed in Macedonia in Alexander's period.
>>
>> [J] Of course not. "Gay" is an English word, not a Greek one.
>
>The idea of "Homosexual."
>
>And I don't have any of my history books on hand to investigate. Yair.
[J] I'm sure it did, since the people existed. Humans tend to want to
think up words to describe everything they see.
Hassu Seta
> Once upon a time - for example, Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:24:15 -0600 -
> there was this guy, or something, called Hassu Seta
> <MadOff...@spammail.tokyo>, and they made us all feel better by
> saying the following stuff:
>
>>>>>>Lets not forget "Gay Pride" parades are his legacy too.
>>>>>
>>>>> [J] *tsk* There you go, offending Agamemnon again. Just because
>>>>> Alexander liked eunuchs and didn't sire any children doesn't mean
>>>>> he was gay...
>>>>
>>>>It would be interesting to see if the words "Gay" or "Homosexual" as
>>>>we understand them now even existed in Macedonia in Alexander's
>>>>period.
>>>
>>> [J] Of course not. "Gay" is an English word, not a Greek one.
>>
>>The idea of "Homosexual."
>>
>>And I don't have any of my history books on hand to investigate. Yair.
>
> [J] I'm sure it did, since the people existed. Humans tend to want to
> think up words to describe everything they see.
Yorg seems to think it didn't exist. But that's because he's a silly
goat-knocking poof. I think another word existed which meant something
equivalent to "bisexual" rather than "homosexual."
> C&J
Hassu Seta