Clockwork Orange
TheKro
But I sure as fuck don't get it. What does Alex mean at the end when he
says: "They cured me all right"? Sounds as if he's being sarcastic, but
I don't see why?
I rarely understand symbolic shit.
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Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>But I sure as fuck don't get it. What does Alex mean at the end when he
>says: "They cured me all right"? Sounds as if he's being sarcastic, but
>I don't see why?
They thought they were curing him of his violent tendencies by making
him helpless, but as soon as he became a model citizen he was all but
killed by the more violent, unconditioned citizens.
When he recovered, he realised that a certain amount of bludgeoning is
necessary in a well-rounded character.
Last time I saw this film, I can't even pronounce the stuff I was on.
C&J
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Brinner
"TheKro" <skr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2vrdhtF...@uni-berlin.de...
> OK. This got added to my have-seen list last night.
>
> But I sure as fuck don't get it. What does Alex mean at the end when he
> says: "They cured me all right"? Sounds as if he's being sarcastic, but
> I don't see why?
>
> I rarely understand symbolic shit.
Its a great film though, understanding or not?
Brinner
TheKro
I didn't really think so.
TheKro
> Once upon a time - for example, Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:07:12 +0000 -
> there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
> and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>
>>But I sure as fuck don't get it. What does Alex mean at the end when he
>>says: "They cured me all right"? Sounds as if he's being sarcastic, but
>>I don't see why?
>
>
> They thought they were curing him of his violent tendencies by making
> him helpless, but as soon as he became a model citizen he was all but
> killed by the more violent, unconditioned citizens.
>
> When he recovered, he realised that a certain amount of bludgeoning is
> necessary in a well-rounded character.
>
OK. That's the sort of idea I had already when he was doing the shit on
stage like licking the dude's shoes. Didn't realise it was a message
the movie was trying to convey, though.
> Last time I saw this film, I can't even pronounce the stuff I was on.
>
keatin...@gmail.com
> Brinner wrote:
> > "TheKro" <skr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2vrdhtF...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>OK. This got added to my have-seen list last night.
> >>
> >>But I sure as fuck don't get it. What does Alex mean at the end when he
> >>says: "They cured me all right"? Sounds as if he's being sarcastic, but
> >>I don't see why?
> >>
> >>I rarely understand symbolic shit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Its a great film though, understanding or not?
> >
>
> I didn't really think so.
>
Its been a while since I saw it, but what sticks in my mind is the way
on screen action and the music work so well together. The one thing
you can always guarabtee with Kubrick is a beautiful looking film with
an amzing musical score.
Although "Clockwork Orange" isn't on a par with "2001: A Space Odyssey
" its not far behind.
The first time I saw "Clockwork Orange" I didn't really spend much
time trying to "get" it. I was too blown away by the sheer genius
involved in its making. Same with every Kubrick film I've seen.
End eulogy.
Brinner
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>> They thought they were curing him of his violent tendencies by making
>> him helpless, but as soon as he became a model citizen he was all but
>> killed by the more violent, unconditioned citizens.
>>
>> When he recovered, he realised that a certain amount of bludgeoning is
>> necessary in a well-rounded character.
>
>OK. That's the sort of idea I had already when he was doing the shit on
>stage like licking the dude's shoes. Didn't realise it was a message
>the movie was trying to convey, though.
Says a lot about the movie, that.
It's meant to be a classic, but as far as I'm concerned it's a
hyped-up pile of wank that got a lot of attention for having sexual
assault and gang violence in it - it wouldn't make a ripple today.
The one thing I did like (apart from MacDowell's performance) was the
use of language. The new future-vocabulary was kinda neat, and you
don't see that sort of care go into things anymore. These days, if you
want to show it's the future, you CGI up a nice two-mile-high building
and put Will Smith in "antique" Nike Air Converse.
Ilya the Recusant
I've never seen the film, but in the book, the new vocabulary is
partly Russian based. Like "My Droogs" - "My /friends/" in Russian.
Just for example.
>C&J
Ilya the Recusant
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Yog-Sothoth
grazing in <8kakp0d5spjvb24kb...@4ax.com>, made the
following shapes:
Oh oh oh! And I have to say, that most of the movie is filmed in the
Uni I did my first degree! Brunel for the win! First time I saw it I
thought I had multiple deja vu(s?). Then I realised I used to live
there.
Of course you now need to make all this relevant...
PS: Ok I better comment on SOMETHING *grin*
The movie is pants since we have seen things far worse than this and
it doesn't really shock anymore, BUT. It was the first movie of this
kind, and a well made at that. The language is good, but in the book
they speak a strange mix of Russian and Cockney. But the movie was
filmed in Brunel Uni SO IT RAWKS ANYWAY!! *smirk*
Yog-Sothoth
<aojkp0taaks8jundv...@4ax.com>, made the following
shapes:
> In a not so bright galaxy nowhere near intelligent space, Chucky &
> Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
> >Once upon a time - for example, Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:07:48 +0000 -
> >there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
> >and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
> >
> >>> They thought they were curing him of his violent tendencies by making
> >>> him helpless, but as soon as he became a model citizen he was all but
> >>> killed by the more violent, unconditioned citizens.
> >>>
> >>> When he recovered, he realised that a certain amount of bludgeoning is
> >>> necessary in a well-rounded character.
> >>
> >>OK. That's the sort of idea I had already when he was doing the shit on
> >>stage like licking the dude's shoes. Didn't realise it was a message
> >>the movie was trying to convey, though.
> >
> >Says a lot about the movie, that.
> >
> >It's meant to be a classic, but as far as I'm concerned it's a
> >hyped-up pile of wank that got a lot of attention for having sexual
> >assault and gang violence in it - it wouldn't make a ripple today.
> >
> >The one thing I did like (apart from MacDowell's performance) was the
> >use of language. The new future-vocabulary was kinda neat, and you
> >don't see that sort of care go into things anymore. These days, if you
> >want to show it's the future, you CGI up a nice two-mile-high building
> >and put Will Smith in "antique" Nike Air Converse.
>
> I've never seen the film, but in the book, the new vocabulary is
> partly Russian based. Like "My Droogs" - "My /friends/" in Russian.
"My" means "My" in Russian? Cool! *smirk*
Ilya the Recusant
*sigh*
Exactly like that, but nothing at all like it.
Yog-Sothoth
Ah! An oxymoron! I dig those...
Ilya the Recusant
An oxymoronin' we will go, an oxymoronin' we will go, hi ho hi merio,
an oxymonorin' we will go!
TheKro
Funny. Dalene and I chatted about the movie again last night, and
basically agreed that the attempts at shocking really didn't re-inforce
any points the movie were trying to make, but seemed kind-of an aside.
And I also thought the language thing was cool, although a bit difficult
to follow occasionally.
So I think our opinions, for once, are rather similar. Well, for twice.
I believe our opinion of Ilya overlaps rather well, too.
Speaking of overlap, that's why Ilya was eating looking down.
VERY respectable strip club.
nObAliG: Restecp!
TheKro
So which is it then?
TheKro
OK.
I think it's the furst Kubrick film I've seen.
*heads off to IMDB to check*
OK, wrong. I saw Full Metal Jacket - and that was good.
Yeah - the music of the movie was cool, agreed. For other points, well,
you can read (and participate) in the chat between C&J and I, or you can
fuck the truck off.
Ilya the Recusant
I don't know.
I'm too busy not caring.
And being a boob.
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>> It's meant to be a classic, but as far as I'm concerned it's a
>> hyped-up pile of wank that got a lot of attention for having sexual
>> assault and gang violence in it - it wouldn't make a ripple today.
>>
>> The one thing I did like (apart from MacDowell's performance) was the
>> use of language. The new future-vocabulary was kinda neat, and you
>> don't see that sort of care go into things anymore. These days, if you
>> want to show it's the future, you CGI up a nice two-mile-high building
>> and put Will Smith in "antique" Nike Air Converse.
>
>Funny. Dalene and I chatted about the movie again last night, and
>basically agreed that the attempts at shocking really didn't re-inforce
>any points the movie were trying to make, but seemed kind-of an aside.
That's true enough. I suppose a brilliant classic amazing film-maker
like Kubrick (according to the Kubrick fan club) could have made the
same point by doing something not involving graphic sex and violence.
Hell, he could have just put Malcolm MacDowell in a movie, and made
the same point.
>And I also thought the language thing was cool, although a bit difficult
>to follow occasionally.
Yeah.
>So I think our opinions, for once, are rather similar. Well, for twice.
> I believe our opinion of Ilya overlaps rather well, too.
We concur.
>Speaking of overlap, that's why Ilya was eating looking down.
*falls down*
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>there was this guy, or something, called TheKro <skr...@gmail.com>,
>and they made us all feel better by saying the following stuff:
>
>>> It's meant to be a classic, but as far as I'm concerned it's a
>>> hyped-up pile of wank that got a lot of attention for having sexual
>>> assault and gang violence in it - it wouldn't make a ripple today.
>>>
>>> The one thing I did like (apart from MacDowell's performance) was the
>>> use of language. The new future-vocabulary was kinda neat, and you
>>> don't see that sort of care go into things anymore. These days, if you
>>> want to show it's the future, you CGI up a nice two-mile-high building
>>> and put Will Smith in "antique" Nike Air Converse.
>>
>>Funny. Dalene and I chatted about the movie again last night, and
>>basically agreed that the attempts at shocking really didn't re-inforce
>>any points the movie were trying to make, but seemed kind-of an aside.
>
>That's true enough. I suppose a brilliant classic amazing film-maker
>like Kubrick (according to the Kubrick fan club) could have made the
>same point by doing something not involving graphic sex and violence.
>
>Hell, he could have just put Malcolm MacDowell in a movie, and made
>the same point.
I'm going to have to watch this film. Ebert's review of the film gives
me the impression that by the end of the film, the audience is meant
to be repulsed by both Alex and the Government alike.
So, uh. Stalemate. I'll rent it this weekend and keep his comments in
mind.
>>And I also thought the language thing was cool, although a bit difficult
>>to follow occasionally.
>
>Yeah.
>
>>So I think our opinions, for once, are rather similar. Well, for twice.
>> I believe our opinion of Ilya overlaps rather well, too.
>
>We concur.
>
>>Speaking of overlap, that's why Ilya was eating looking down.
>
>*falls down*
10-102.
>C&J
Chucky & Janica
there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
<q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
following stuff:
>I'm going to have to watch this film. Ebert's review of the film gives
>me the impression that by the end of the film, the audience is meant
>to be repulsed by both Alex and the Government alike.
That's about the way it goes. Janica was pretty repelled by about five
minutes in, but she's quicker than most.
Ilya the Recusant
Janica <janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>there was this guy, or something, called Ilya the Recusant
><q...@deadspam.net>, and they made us all feel better by saying the
>following stuff:
>
>>I'm going to have to watch this film. Ebert's review of the film gives
>>me the impression that by the end of the film, the audience is meant
>>to be repulsed by both Alex and the Government alike.
>
>That's about the way it goes. Janica was pretty repelled by about five
>minutes in, but she's quicker than most.
So in short, the film offers no solution, and INSANE VIOLENCE
CONTRASTED WITH BEETHOVEN YEAH BABY YEAH!
So. Um.
Real disgusted and all.
Heh. Katya said she found the first few minutes of Goodbye Lenin to be
extreme (during the protest when kids are getting the shitcan kicked
out of them). I can only imagine how utterly freaked she'd be by A
Clockwork Orange.