AFRJ History Chapter 4. Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2: Netiquette
Chucky & Janica
Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
As was stated in the previous chapter, it is difficult to make
sweeping statements about what the group was like before the takeover,
because one has to cover several years and a multitude of posters.
This is also the problem with this chapter, which will deal with
netiquette.
There have always been helpful people full of good advice concerning
netiquette. Lwc inc, who soon defected to rasfwrj, was one of them.
Examine this post, to Jennifer Quinn: "YHBT. BTW, please try to post
like this. It's easier to read. HAND" ("Re: Has anyone noticed the
similarity between the prophecy and Mins viewing?", 15.1.1998). Post
like what, I wonder? Full of stupid acronyms? YHBT, by the way, stands
for You Have Been Trolled. It was quite a common expression in rasfwrj
at the time.
But then, there have also been those who haven't cared very much about
how people present their messages. I shall attempt to look at both.
Opinions about netiquette changed over the years, but as a thumb rule,
one can say AFRJ was strict, but not as strict as rasfwrj. Indeed, as
mentioned in previous chapters, posters on this group felt they were
the nicer alternative in this regard as well, and what was considered
"rec.arts"-attitude was seldom accepted. Ben Violette: "This is not
rasfrj. It is not open to flames. It does not have a FAQ. Keep your
crap in another group" ("To the Dragon Reborn!", 25.5.1996). Of
course, this comment does show that there is *some* form of code of
conduct, and this attitude is also prevalent in most other aspects of
netiquette, which I will now look at one at a time. When reading, pay
special attention to messages posted in February-May 1999 - those were
the last months of the Old Group.
Snipping and attribution
When replying to a post, netiquette states that the poster should
leave in information about who they are replying to, and a sufficient
amount of quoted material so readers can keep up.
On one hand, posters can leave in everything in the previous post.
Project Leader McCoy got tired of these badly trimmed messages and
burst out, "*please* don't quote unnecessary material. It's extremely
annoying to have to page through eight pages of text just to get to
something that doesn't have anything whatesoever to do with most of
what you quoted." ("Re: Moiraine will return, I actually have some
proof", 5.9.1996). This comment got my attention, because it is, I'm
ashamed to admit, a thought that has often occurred to me while doing
this research. You see, Google only displays messages of a certain
length. Messages longer than that stop halfway through, and you have
to click on a separate link to see the whole message. And when you're
trying to read a 50-post thread, and starting from post three all you
get on the screen is attribution lines, and half of the posts are from
Contro anyway - well, I'm sure you won't hold it against me if I admit
I've skipped most of that stuff.
On the other hand, some people have had issues with too *little*
attribution. Fluffy One spent a few hectic days in 1997 trying to
teach other posters proper manners. "You agree with whom upon what?",
he inquired of FaustOW, "Please quote the original post when replying"
("Re: Dune, Lord of the Rings", 5.12.1997), and "Who? What? Where?" he
asked Hans-Are ("Re: A new fan....", 8.12.1997). Fluffy was a very
confused and inquisitive young man - much like Contro, in some ways.
But Richard Wentz had a different outlook on life. "Please get a ng
reader that allows you to scroll back", he told Fluffy. "I for one
don't want to read the original post to every response."("Re: Dune,
Lord of the Rings", 8.12.1997). Henning Torsteinsen, in turn, felt
that "Each post should be an easily digestable nugget of information
where you can clearly discern who said what, and in reply to whom"
("Re: Listening to the Wind", 3.9.1998). I must say, the posts that
can be called 'nuggets of information' have always been few and far
apart on this newsgroup.
Even if a poster learned to snip extra material, that wasn't
necessarily enough. "just learning to snip", pepsi_addict informed the
group. "Very nice :-)", Mr Burns replied. "Now you only need to learn
proper quoting, attributting, and not-posting-in-HTML (the .sig). Have
fun" ("Re: People, please", 24.8.1998). Very supportive. Of course, I
can't say anything more about this particular exchange, because
looking at nicknames, I'd be forced to take Mr Burns' side. ErrandW18
had a solution in mind. "If you can't handle the onerous task of
highlighting text and copying it over perhaps your parents should take
away your computer privileges. Unsupervised children have no place on
usenet." ("Re: Dear <la...@netcom.ca> (Was Re: Ismael is Taim)",
17.10.1998). Ahh, my all-time favourite defence. 'You're a kid'. It's
a pity it's falling out of fashion, not even the rasfwrjans are saying
it much anymore. Even Cyclopatra (much better than a kick in the
pants!), a poster who would later play a small part in the Takeover,
started her posting career telling people to "quote when replying to
messages on Usenet. /.../ It makes it *so* much easier for people to
know whose message you're replying to and what you're talking about
("Subject: Re: SV: The great hunt", 23.4.1999). In a few months, she
would be shown the error of her ways.
Quite soon, FAQ pointers entered the discussion. "First of all, please
retain the name of the person and the text they wrote, to which you
are responding", Chris Layman wrote. "Somebody will show you where you
can learn the rules, as I don't have a FAQ pointer handy" ("Re: the
daughter of the nine moons is...", 21.5.1998). I don't quite know what
FAQ he was referring to - AFRJ didn't have one at the time, so it must
have been the second rasfwrj FAQ - the one that deals with posting,
not the one about the books.
Art felt that the terrible state of formatting must be "the penalty we
pay for all the 'newbies' sigh..." ("Too much quoting", 18.7.1998).
Henning Torsteinsen agreed, and said, "Isn't there a group FAQ
somewhere? Reading FAQ's should be a mandatory before posting!" ("Re:
Too much quoting", 21.7.1998). Except, of course, there *was* no group
FAQ anywhere. And ironically, when it was finally written, it was
written by Sastan.
Test posts
We're all familiar with the posts that say "test", and the replies
they usually get. I'm sure that whoever makes the test post can,
within a few days, be absolutely certain their rig is working -
test-threads can grow up to 100 posts. But in any case, here are some
pre-takeover examples.
A Fejes, for example, had the following advice: "Just so that you
know, there are groups devoted to the purpose of testing postings...
This isn't one." ("Re: test post - ignore it", 27.1.1997). Wouldn't it
have been easier to say, 'yeah, it worked'? It would have served the
exact same purpose. But what would I know?
aulendil arrived on the group in September 1996, with the baffled
question, "How thw HELL does this work? /.../ How do I post? /.../ Why
do articles I see under headings have nothing to do with the headings
above them?" Well, that's easy enough to answer. People can't stick to
one topic. But did anyone calmly explain this to aulendil? Of course
not. "Let me give you a tip, buddy", Saurabh Asthana said, and we all
know what will follow when someone starts their post like that. "Don't
make posts like this. /.../ just stay quiet and say meaningful stuff,
and learn how to use UseNet somewhere else, because you won't get help
here." ("Re: Help a newbie?", 6.9.1996). I'm very disappointed that
Saurabh didn't specify where, exactly, one could go for this sort of
information, other than Usenet. Well, one could always try rec.arts, I
guess. They're very willing to tell you what you've done wrong.
Lurk before you post
Some followers of netiquette insist that you should always lurk in a
group before posting. Nathan Dunning, for example, suggested that "2
weeks is a minimum, a month is better" ("Re: REPONSE PLEASE!!!!!",
27.1.1999). The problem is, nobody tells you these things when you're
lurking. because they don't know you're there.
fafnir, on the other hand, didn't think lurking was in any way
necessary. "Fuck lurking and posting conservatively", he snapped. "If
you're not up to your elbows in somebodies entrails, you're not
living" ("Re: Help a newbie?", 12.9.1996). One could almost think this
was Mister C speaking.
Arguments
There was also, periodically, some discussion about how an argument
should be conducted. "I've been lurking ins this newsgroup for some
time now," Jim Chung-Jeh Lee said, "and it STILL gives me the willies
when someone says 'No, you are all wrong..' or 'God, will you go read
the book?' 'If you don't know what you are talking about, don't!' or
things like 'What have you people been doing? It should be painfully
obvious.... blah blah.' /.../ I mean, come on, especially when you are
discussing something that it's not set in stone, something that when
the Creator can totally stick in your face with a simple few
keystrokes, wouldn't it be prudent to just say... 'no, I do not agree
with you, I think...' instead of something like 'Bah... how can you be
so stupid? Have you been reading AT ALL? It should be obvious to
anyone with a IQ of 30 that Elayne is a male homosexual dressed up in
skirts!'" ("Re: Who is the one who is no longer.", 29.9.1996). But
surely, if all the clues are there, it *must* be true, the way it was
with Taimandred. Oh, wait...
Some of the argumentative techniques are also familiar from rec.arts.
Such as this one, brought forth by The Dark ("Re: Logain's talent?",
1.10.1997): "Occam's razor would suggest Logain can sense ta'veren."
Oh, I see. So, not the bit in the book where Logain sees a halo around
Rand? Ben E. Westbrook was also a bit curious. "Ugh, you really think
Occam's razor applies to a Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Fictional book?" he asked.
"Especially this series?" Don't be silly, Ben. Of course William of
Occam was talking about fantasy literature when he postulated his
theory 700 years ago.
Kevin D. Jones got quite fed up with the self-certain attitude of some
posters, too. "What is this nonsense about 'common knowledge'. 1. A
writer's work is subject to interpretation by the reader, and I'm
assuming we can all read. 2. Most importantly the series is an
unfinished work. You can give your best guess as to what RJ will do
but you should be "knowledgeable" enough to realize he doesnt have to
do any of it" ("Re: This newsgroup", 17.11.1997). It really is amazing
how many people have been absolutely certain of their interpretation
of the books. I will laugh long and hard at them in future sections.
Spelling
Possibly the largest area of discussion concerning proper posting
habits has been the issue of spelling.
Quite often, there have been people who are sticklers for proper
spelling. "I'm sorry, I don't want to be an idiot, but please WATCH
YOUR SPELLING! You don't know how hard it is to decode some words!!!"
Ben McGeehan requested ("Spelling", 26.2.1997). He wouldn't have
gotten on too well with Contro, who usually follows the theory that as
long as the people reading him know English, they should know what he
means. taladas was even more abrupt: "Also, have you ever heard of the
ENGLISH language? sheesh!" ("Re: Different Ages...", 14.1.1999). Yes,
I have. Have you heard that a sentence starts with a capital letter?
Bill Garrett had similar ideas when he told JBlund8606 that "First, as
a point of etiquette, you should practice writing complete sentences,
beginning with a capitalized letter and ending in a single period."
Damn. Can't I end my sentences with something else? Oops. But what if
I...? Oh, crud. "The only picture we have of you is given to us by
your writing. If your writing is a mess, people will think of you as a
mess" ("Re: incest", 7.3.1997). Fact is, though, JBlund8606's smallest
worry was his spelling. Here's what Garrett was replying to: "i don't
give a flying pigs poop about legalities or blood lines...there is no
way in heck that Rand can be Elayne's half-sister..." Quite so. It
would take one heck of a blood line to make Rand Elayne's sister.
Others were equally pleasant in their admonishings.
Fluffy One: "1. Learn grammar. 2. Learn capitalization. 3. Learn
punctuation" (""Re: dot9ms", 9.12.1997). He wouldn't have gotten on
very well with Mister C, this one. NerveGas objected to Fluffy's post,
though - "If you were really that keen on grammer and punctuation, you
would know that there are 2 spaces after a period, not one, unless
used as an abbreviation" ("Re: dot9ms", 9.12.1997). This is all news
to me. I wonder if NerveGas knows there's ways of writing that *don't*
involve a keyboard. But NerveGas wasn't the only one who was a bit
indignant with Fluffy. Neuriot joined in. "1.) why dont you get a
life...?" Ah yes, the single most popular insult on Usenet - because
it doesn't matter who you say it to, you'll always be right. "2.) you
cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky* Sometimes it
comes naturally. "3.) what makes you think that you should have the
right to bitch about everything that happens in this newsgroup..?"
This is a good question. "4.) if i could smallcase numbers i would..."
And *this* is an excellent suggestion. What would lower case numbers
look like? ("Re: dot9ms", 12.12.1997).
Upper case and lower case letters have presented other sorts of
problems as well. For some reason, REDTICK wanted to post his message
in the following way: "RAND WARNED MOIRAIN (forgive spelling) THAT THE
TRAPS HE WOVE AROUND CALLANDOR WERE NOT SELECTIVE THAT ANYONE BUT
HIMSELF WOULD BE HURT AND THE TRAPS WOULD RESET BY THEIR SELF." I
can't help but wonder why REDTICK spelled everything else in capitals,
except the parenthesis. Oh well. He was quickly set straight. "First
of all, there's this new invention: it's called the CAPS LOCK key on
your keyboard. It wouldn't hurt to hit it every once in a while"
("from dany, "Re: CALLANDOR----- TRAPS", 7.2.1998). Actually, dany, I
suspect the problem is that he's *found* the capslock key. When NANNY
OGG posted her message in all-caps as well, Wigglesworth pointed out
that "Nettiquette says that ALL CAPS is shouting and it is rude.
Please stop. /.../ It's the equivalent of screaming at the top of your
lungs in someone's face" ("Re: Moraine Dead?", 16.1.1999). It is funny
that people object to this sort of shouting, but don't mind it when
posters shout abuse, as long as they spell it okay. Mahnorak
al'Tighron, in turn, suggested posters not write in all-caps, because
"you look like an illiterate AOL using newbie stain....." ("Re:
COMPAIR TERRY GOODKINK AND ROBERT JORDEN", 22.2.1999). *sigh* All that
punctuation, and yet the sentence makes so little sense.
Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
much like Mister C in later days. Many posters had problems with
Student's chosen path. "And why do you still refuse to capitalize? It
would make your posts easier to read, and you goal _is_ to have people
read what you write, isn't it?" Jordan Crain enquired ("Re: elayne",
6.4.1998). His obstinate use of lower case was so well-known that when
he once made a post with a capital P, Brian Ward remarked, "You know,
that P is the first capital letter I've ever seen you type. What, a
mistake?" "yes," Student replied, "i was switching between writing up
an assignment and replying to posts, so i sort of slipped" ("Re:
Pedron Niall", 28.5.1998). As for *why* he insisted on lower case:
"originally it was because i was tired on the day of my first post,
and i knew it would be long, so i decided to skip capitalisation. then
i got thouroughly flamed, and decided that if they thought they could
force me to change, i wouldn't. i am talking about rasfwrj, you
understand" ("Re: Pedron Niall", 28.5.1998). Yes, we do. Student, or
Sastan, later recanted his lower casiness, but continued to be a thorn
in the flesh of many posters on both groups.
Then there is, of course, the issue of non-native-speaking posters. It
is simply amazing how difficult it is for some people to grasp the
idea that not everyone is an English-speaker. Consider, for example,
when Kjerstin Holm made a post on the group. Sandy took one look at
the message and commented, "I'm truly impressed. Someone who knows the
word 'alias,' but can't spell 'expect' or conjugate 'to be.'"
Personally, I'd say 'alias' is much easier to spell than 'expect'. But
that's just me. It must be said, though, in Sandy's defence, that she
quickly replied to her own post with an apology: "I apologize for this
post. It was cruel, and looking at other posts by the other author it
seems likely that english is not his or her native language" ("Re: Who
killed Ashmodean?", 23.2.1998). That was a real revelation, what with
the original poster having such an English-sounding name as Kjerstin.
I'm also truly impressed, of course, that Sandy didn't know 'English'
has a capital E. *smile*
Chris Carton tried to stand up for non-native speakers. "Not everybody
in this newsgroup is of english upbringing", he said. "For quite a few
people, english is a second (or third or fourth) language that they
might not use with perfection. Show a little tolerance" ("Re: cover
artwork", 23.7.1998). But Art presented a surprising opinion to the
contrary: "If you are not fluent in a language, maybe you should not
attempt to use it. It's bad enough having to cope with the garble
written by those who are whose langiage it it supposedly IS native to"
("Re: cover artwork", 24.7.1998). So ... if people who should know the
language don't, and still write, then the people who shouldn't know
the language but do shouldn't write? Remarkable. Almost as remarkable
as the construction of Art's last sentence.
The biggest argument on the topic came when The Ogled One arrived on
the group - although in those days, he was posting as erik_l (that's a
lower-case 'L'). erik_l tried to get people to understand that not
everyone could write perfect English. ADR J Galt felt that he was
quite justified in his nagging concerning spelling, though: "Actually,
one of the main reasons for insisting on proper grammer and spelling
is _FOR_ those of you that don't have English as a first language. If
you learned Proper English, it's alot easier to read that than the
Ebonics crap that gets posted around here" ("Re: Asmo's death is
getting out of hand!!!!!!!!!", 31.8.1998). 'Proper' doesn't get
capitalised in the middle of a sentence, of course, and absolutely
nobody was speaking Ebonics in that thread. And, as the Frenchman
Philippe Krait pointed out, "Poor guy, not even being able to spell
gramm_a_r correctly, and coming here preaching" ("Re: Asmo's death is
getting out of hand!!!!!!!!!", 1.9.1998). erik_l also said, "Some of
you do _NOT_ have any patience for people who don't agree with your
theories och proof", prompting Galt to burst out, "Och? You see now
why we insist on proper English? That last sentence becomes almost
incomprehensible with 'och' in it." Only to an idiot, Galt.
The argument escalated into what can almost be called a small war.
(from erik_l, "A really long answer to M.J. Alexander (About Re:
numbskulls?)", 4.9.1998) "I'm swedish so I don't write 'Ebonics' as
you call it", erik_l pointed out, and it's quite amazing that he
actually needed to *mention* this. "I do not write 'Ebonics' and I do
not write slang. The simple reason for this is that, while I have some
english friends, I do not know any slang!" This is an excellent point,
too. It's a pity Galt just wasn't listening. Art, on the other hand,
displayed some amazing lack of reading comprehension, commenting,
"It's a pretty funny concept; Dimwits are actually bragging about
their bad use of the english language" ("reverse elitists", 8.9.1998).
Capital 'E' in English, Art. Jason A. Reynolds looked at matters from
a more positive point of view. "I think you are doing damn good it
being a second language", he told erik_l ("Re: A really long answer to
M.J. Alexander (About Re: numbskulls?)", 9.9.1998). It's no wonder
Ogled disappeared from the group and only returned after it had been
taken over.
Unfortunately, just as things were looking up, Galt bailed out of the
argument. "/.../ this weekend I wasn't at the computer because I was
visiting my girlfriend. Also, I don't give a shit enough to reply to
it now, due to the fact that she ditched me at the theatre yesterday,
and now has the police looking for her, and the other boyfriend she
apparantly was keeping secret from me." Ooh, finally something worth
reading! "And, needless to say, I'm not in quite the mood to discuss
this drivel any further. It's only marginally better than that 8
fucking hour drive home. (As a peice of friendly advice, don't ever
let yourself care or trust anyone. In my few experiences, it only
leads to betrayal and pain)" ("Re: To M.J Alexander!!!!!", 8.9.1998).
And in my experience, you shouldn't behave like a prick to other
people. You'll end up in a hawk's ass, as my grandmother would say.
Another incident happened some four months later. Mats Syde posted on
the group with an email address noticeably ending in ".se".
Wigglesworth thought his post was wonderfully amusing, commenting
snidely, "What did you just say? Rhudicha? av wave? Are these the same
books? Do you mean Rhuidean and a weave? a thin thread? Betcha regret
not paying attention in Spelling class in Elementary school" ("Re:
Asmodean death important?", 16.1.1999). Betcha regret not paying
attention to the attribution line, Wiggsy? Incidentally, I did study
English in elementary school, and one of the things we learned about
was capital letters. Amazing, isn't it? Jean D was equally sarcastic
in their reply: "Or maybe he was just 'unlucky' not to be born in the
US. Surprising at it might seem, there are other cultures out there in
the world. Btw, how's your swedish spelling?" ("Re: Asmodean death
important?", 16.1.1999). Good question. But the idiots just couldn't
keep their mouths shut, and Asha'man came in with the following
comment: "Maybe it is just me.....but I would think that if one had
this poor a grasp on the English language, they would not get much out
of a book series as complex as this!" ("Re: Asmodean death
important?", 17.1.1999). Books get translated into many, many
languages, Asha'man. Imagine that. Jean D ended the discussion with a
long post on the subject, making the comment, "And, after all, you did
understand his message, didn't you?" ("Re: Asmodean death important?",
18.1.1999). And so, we're back to the Contro argument.
The final section of spelling concerns 'internet slang'. Eric Truong
said, "/.../ please /.../ don't use any "u r", etc. It would make it
easier for other readers to read your post." He's right, I must say.
Jon \"Devronac\" Brescia didn't see anything wrong with it, though,
claiming "You don't have to type using perfect English, I just use
semi-formal out of habit. It was just plain text with some internet
slang..I see no problem with this.." But T Sean Connolly did. "I have
to disagree with you. I don't believe the awful abbreviations are
'internet slang'. They may be rife in the chat room world where
everything is happening in near real time and you need to type fast.
On the ng scene things are a tad slower and call for a more considered
response" ("Re: New DoTNMoons theory...", 4.5.1999). I guess 'ng'
doesn't count, then. Sean would, by the way, go on to play a small
role in the Takeover, just like Cyclopatra.
People who spell like this would often defend themselves similarly to
Bryan Goss, who said, "gawd I can type just as normal as anyone else
here. Its just that i dont care" Jean D didn't find this amusing at
all. "I hope you realize that you're not helping your case by
admitting that. In other words, you're (supposedly) capable of using
the appropriate language conventions that would make your prose easy
to read, but you deliberately choose to show an absence of respect for
your readers (those who are left)." ("Re: New DoTNMoons theory...",
6.5.1999). I must admit that I've never been able to understand this
philosophy either - although I don't feel quite as strongly about the
matter as Jean D did. "Also," Darren S. A. George wrote, "since this
is not a chat room, you can type with more than one hand" ("Re: New
DoTNMoons theory...", 12.5.1999). Bahahahaha. Not necessarily. But it
would take a few more months, and the entrance of Mister C, to prove
this wrong. Andreas Larsson finally offered a moment of clarity in the
argument when he commented, "Hey don't be so hard on him, when I first
found raswrj I used similar language in my fist post and was thorougly
flamed for it by the 'oldies'. You have to learn the lingo in a
newsgroup before you can adjust to it" ("SV: New DoTNMoons theory...",
6.5.1999). This is quite true, and it's amazing how often people
forget this after having spent more than three months on a group.
Questions
The constant demand for netiquette tends to make people wary of what
they post, and next thing you know, people are asking stupid
questions, such as "Is it against Netiquette to paste links?" (from
Sallyroo, "Re: Mailing list", 26.9.1997). Wow, Squiggle, are you in
trouble or what.
But there have been many other sorts of questions. Questions about the
books, for example. Apparently, there's some unwritten rule about what
can be asked and what can't. When Bryan Schlickbernd (and if that's a
real name, I'm very sorry for the guy) was confused about who the guy
in the Prologue was - "if it is one of the forsaken shouldn't he be
sealed in Shayol Ghul with the rest of them?" - jsshepard had the
following extremely helpful advice: "I devoutly pray this is a troll"
("Re: Betrayer of hope?", 3.10.1997). It's amazing how difficult it is
for some people to answer a question.
Sometimes, the questions people ask seem self-evident, and some
posters tend to remark on that, often snidely. Dahallaidh didn't
understand that attitude. "Last time I checked that was one of the
purposes of a Newsgroup. To ask and share knowledge. I can only
presume that you panties got in a wad, for your rude attitude. Allow
him his question, and we won't gripe when you ask easy questions"
("Re: Ajahs?", 30.1.1998). I must say I like the expression 'panties
in a wad'. It would explain so much uptight behaviour.
Not all on-topic questions have been welcomed either. P.E. Rowlands
wanted to know, "If you were Rand and had to choose between the three
who would it be?" A perfectly reasonable question, as far as "what
if...?" questions go. But taladas didn't think so. "since when do we
have junior high kids posting to this group?" he sneered. "not that
it's a bad thing, but at least post sensible questions." Heh heh.
Yeah. Like, who is Lini *really*? "if you were rand, who would you
choose? who would win a battle between mat, rand and perrin?" Rand, of
course. He can channel. Duh. "who would win a battle between segal,
vandamme and snipes?" Well, Snipes, naturally. He even kills vampires.
"who would you rather do: cindy crawford, nikky taylor or claudia
schiffer? see? same thing. sheesh!" ("Re: If you were Rand; Min,
Avienda, or Elayne ?", 4.3.1998) I don't know if highschool kids would
know who any of these are, anymore. But regardless, I don't think it's
a terrible question, and neither did most others on the group. "I see
it as a perfectly valid question", David Kiesling objected. "I'd go
for Min. She sounds fun." ("Re: If you were Rand; Min, Avienda, or
Elayne ?", 5.3.1998). Seriously though, if I was Rand, I'd dump all
three.
Theories
Over the years, the group has been literally swamped with hairbrained
theories. Fluffy One, already mentioned earlier, had very little
patience for them, dismissing them off-hand: "I simply cannot
understand where you got the /.../ idea from... As far as I recall,
there is absolutely no evidence supporting it." Well, that's never
stopped anyone before. It is quite apparent that this sort of
dismissal was not appropriate in alt.fan - contrary to netiquette, I
guess one can say, because Fluffy soon got a reply from Richard Wentz:
"Sheesh. I just love your supportive and open and accepting ways", he
sneered. "Your methods /.../ is really inspiring. I hope I can be as
open to new ideas as you can" ("Re: Latra Posae and Nynaeve??",
8.12.1997). I sort of agree. Of course, this doesn't change the fact
that I thought the original idea - Nynaeve is Latra Posae reborn - was
also ridiculous. But at least one should try and find the humour in it
all.
Sometimes, the problem with people's theories and questions about the
books are to do with the fact that they haven't paid attention to the
books. For example, Daniel Lee wanted to know, "What is Fain's beef
with Rand? I was reading in LoC this AM and he seems to be able to
sense Rand from far away, almost as if he is bonded with him. /.../
Where would Rand have been that he could have been bonded by Fain?" DA
Big Heifer considered this a breach against group conventions. "Dan,
reread the books", she said "It is almost required for this newsgroup
to have two reading under your belt." Luckily, there was someone who
didn't quite agree with the 'required' bit. "Reread the books if you
want", Richard Wentz said. "Don't feel you must read them because
someone tells you they are 'required reading.' Last time I checked,
this was an unmoderated forum, that actually allows people to ask
questions about things they don't understand" ("Re: Padan Fain",
7.2.1998).This is a good point, and one that keeps getting forgotten
every so often.
Jordan's characters have names that are notoriously difficult to
remember. "He [Rand] wasn't completely bonded to what's her face",
Trevarthan claimed, prompting Jesse Thompson to comment, "how bout
actually looking in your book and making 'good' posts, I.e. 'what's
her face' isn't very specific. Try Alanna" ("Re: An inconsistency or
two.", 5.4.1998). 'What's her face' sounds fine to me. Details,
details.
Some theories were repeated so many times over that regulars became
tired of them, considering them well-known information. For example,
shortly before the publication of 'Path of Daggers', Garret Hayes came
to the following realisation: "I have a feeling that the 8th book will
be based largely around the Seanchan. Why you ask? Because a line that
was stated in the 4th book. At the very beginning, High Lady Suroth
states an old Seanchan saying. This is what it says.... 'On the
heights, the paths are paved with daggers.' Now that seems all too
foreboding to me. What do you think?" Joss Attridge thought it was a
"Good message I cannot wait for your ground breaking I think Taim
could be Demandred in disguise, followed closely by Does anyone think
Moriaine is alive or Verin BA" ("Re: A little hint on The Path of
Daggers", 3.5.1998). It was a good try, but the delivery could use a
bit of work. Ironically, of course, 'Path of Daggers' *wasn't* largely
based on the Seanchan, and Taim *wasn't* Demandred.
Certain people try to approach the books and theories with a hint of
humour, such as Verf, who suggested that Asmodean might have killed
himself, just to confuse readers. Regnus didn't see the humour in the
matter, asking, "Why do we have to put up with such useless drivel?
'Better to remain silent and thought an idiot, Than to open ones mouth
and remove all doubt' Some good advice for you" ("Re: I know who
Killed Asmodean!", 7.12.1998). I'm sure it would be infinitely more
intelligent and entertaining to discuss the identity of the killer yet
one more time. Willis tried to suggest that Regnus take the whole
thing the way it was meant - as humour. "I have a sense of humor but
this joke was not funny", Regnus replied. Well, no, not really, but it
was a damn sight better than most of the crud passing for humour in
the group at the time. "Most people I think come here to discuss RJ
and the WOT. Jokes are one thing but please, lets use a little more of
that gray matter that is supposedly in that thing between your
shoulders before you open your mouth again ("Re: I know who Killed
Asmodean!", 8.12.1998). Amazingly, Regnus and his grey matter haven't
managed to solve the mystery of Asmodean's death yet.
Gradually, the FAQ compiled by the Other Group became quite essential
for discussion on the group. The FAQ will get a chapter of its own in
the History, but here's an event that closely mirrors the attitude to
the FAQ. Etherman had his own pet theory, stating that Taim was
actually Owyn, Thom's dead nephew. This was quite an amazing claim,
and Balrog asked him to explain what the theory entailed. "Check out
deja-news", Etherman told him. Balrog didn't quite know what Deja-news
was, and added, "It will probably take you three seconds to copy it
from wherever you got it and paste it into this NG." This sounds
reasonable, right? Well, Jean D didn't think so. "Actually, his
suggestion to look it up on dejanews is an excellent one. It also
takes only three seconds for those people who are interested and they
can do the job themselves instead of bugging Etherman to do the job
for them." Yes. Because God forbid that Etherman would actually bother
to explain his own idea to someone. "Besides, it's a very good
opportunity to learn to search the archives. It is very useful. People
should use it to read what has been written lately on a topic before
posting about it. It makes for much better discussions when everyone
is aware of what has already been said instead of repeating the same
things again and again" ("Re: something to think about", 22.5.1999).
Of course, since Balrog didn't know what Deja-news was, and
consequently didn't know how to use it, the last part of this post was
an absolute waste of space.
Formatting
Line lengths are probably the least-complained about netiquette topic
on the group, for some reason. There's only the occasional, "Really,
really, really gotta work on them line lenghts. Really" (from Chris
Rose, "Re: Mazrim Taim IS Demandred", 4.1.1998). Really?
Other issues of formatting include where to post.That wasn't really
much of a hassle either, usually the messages sounded much like Andrew
J Codling's "/.../ as others in this group will tell you (if you go to
rasfwr-j they will tell you very impolitely) we normally post after
the message we are replying to, basically it seems to make it easier
to read the point the person was making if they refer to what they
were replying to. Does that make sense?" ("Re: Dragons?", 21.1.1998).
This post also shows the typical attitude to rasfwrj - they were
considered a harsher group than AFRJ.
Nathan Dunning considered the standard of bottom-posting as serving a
useful purpose: "/.../ it's a twit filter. The only people who post
text above the quoted test are either complete newbies (who generally
learn quickly) or immature 14 year olds who think its k001 to ignore
comon courtesy." *snigger* 'Comon'. So, Shannon, are you a complete
newbie, or a 14-year-old? "So I ignore those messages. I imagine not a
few posters do the same. So if you want to be read, follow the simple
rules. It's not like it takes any effort to follow them. If you just
want to post as an exercise in mental masturbation, continue on your
way. It doesn't matter to me ("Re: Asmodean killed by....",
3.12.1998). But it obviously *is* bothering you, Nathan since you're
posting about it.
Off-topic posting
As was mentioned in the previous chapter, pre-Takeover AFRJ would
usually frown upon off-topic discussion. For example, when R. James
Coleman III tried to raise some discussion about the 1998 winter
Olympics, Sir Yarnek of Windsar (I wonder if that's supposed to be
Windsor) replied with, "Umm, yeah.. And did you see Nynaeve's
performance on the bobsled? It was great, wasn't it?" ("Re: TAN:
Olympics", 24.2.1998). I bet she used Lan as her bobsled. I might even
watch a sporting event for that.
Posters sometimes tried to justify their opposition to off-topic
discussion with reason. "I don't think that the religious philosophies
of the people on this newsgroup is something that any of us really
want to get into", Morgoth suggested. "We could barely handle
conversations about etiquette and sexuality, just think of the
shouting matches that could develop from religion" ("Re: An honest
posting", 26.2.1998). It is quite telling that I have no recollection
of reading any of these 'shouting matches', and yet I've read just
about everything that was posted on the group at the time. So they
can't have been very earth-shattering.
Private discussion on the group was frowned upon. When Ashen-Shugar
picked up the courage to start asking Cyclopatra personal questions -
"I like u!! what r u studying? me i study engineering! And hey the
cold makes you appreciate the summer so much more. plus there are ways
to warm up u know *wink* *wink*" - Alec Wilcox, visibly embarrassed at
having to witness this terrible flirtation, asked, "Ummmm.... maybe
this would be best reserved for an email conversation" ("Re: Survey",
18.3.1999). Imagine how quiet the group would be today. Wow.
For some odd reason, people would even frown upon discussion of other
authors - unless they were being unfavourably compared to Jordan. John
Smith felt that "Pratchett kicks <is not sure whether he is allowed to
say this>!!!", and he's bloody right too. Kitarak's comment, though,
was simply, "Why exactly are you posting this?" ("Re: Pratchett",
21.4.1999). Ummm, let me think...
There have been some very odd off-topic posts, too, like this one,
from Zman3ds: "It's May 9.. Billy Joel's birthday! Come on everybody!
Join the Billy Joel Newsgroup and vot for 'Sometimes a Fantasy' and
let's get Billy on Total Request Live! Just go to http://www.mtv.com,
click on the Shows frame.. and then the Total REquest Live link!
Thanks!" Robert Mortensen was more than a little astonished to see
this on the group. "What the f**k is this message doing in here?
Please poiple, marked such messages TAN" ("Re: Billy Joel",
10.5.1999). Yeah, damn you, 'poiple'. T Sean Connolly, in turn, told
Zman3ds he was "/.../ a very sad person and deserve to be killfiled -
please restrain yourself from posting this inconsequential splurge to
this newsgroup." A bit too late for that now, isn't it? "What makes
you think RJ fans like Billy Joel anyway? We hate him with a
vengeance." We do? Oh, right. Billy Joel. Yeah, we do. "If we could
we'd balefire him. We'd jab sharp little sticks in his eyes first of
course and then fold our arms under our breasts (metaphorically
speaking for some of us) and then heave a huge sigh of relief that
such a talentless fuckwit has been sent back to whence he should have
never had the temerity to emerge. His second album's not bad though"
("Re: Billy Joel", 10.5.1999). Hee hee, not too bad, Sean.
Posting handles
Anyone who has been to rasfwrj knows that they consider a poster's
name to be an integral part of netiquette. If you want to be taken
seriously, you should post under your real name. Or at least a name
that *could* be your real name. *grin*
Not so in AFRJ - here, nicknames have seldom been a problem. But there
*have* been 'conventions' regarding one's posting handle. The poster
calling himself Shai'Tan was greeted in the following manner by Sir
Yarnek of Windsar: "First, get a decent original nickname" ("Re:
logain, real dragon?", 24.2.1998). Although funny, I don't think this
attitude is significantly different from that of rasfwrj. Especially
since Sir Yarnek didn't actually reply to Shai'Tan's question.
It was only during the last few months before the Takeover that
attitudes tightened. T Sean Connolly defended the use of one's own
name with, "If you used your real name you wouldn't have to jump
through so many hoops when you join a ng. Do you really feel you need
to use a nickname when you're in the ng? Don't you feel comfortable
venting your opinions as yourself? Do you really feel the need to hide
behind a nickname? Before you get hot under he collar, I'm not flaming
you, I'm genuinely interested." You know, I've never understood the
suggestion that people 'hide' behind their nicknames. There is no
difference in attitude between those who post under a nickname and
those who supposedly post under their real names. Neither usage stops
the person from making personal attacks, so what's to hide? Anyway,
Etherman had issues with Sean's question. "I can't speak for anyone
else /.../ but I use a nick because it's a name of my own choosing
rather than one I was given at birth. This gives me a certain freedom
to choose a name that I think describes something about me. I could
legally change my name but that would be a hassle ("[mega-TAN] Nicks
(was Re: [TAN] George R. R. Martin)", 29.5.1999). I wonder if they'd
let him change his name to 'Etherman'. And I wonder what part of him
the name describes. This creates an opportunity for all sorts of nasty
comments, I'm sure.
Binaries
It wasn't very common that people posted binaries to AFRJ, but when it
happened, there were usually objections. "Please refrain from posting
binaries to this newsgroup", Etherman snapped. "Unless of course it's
a pic of Birgitte nekked" ("Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", 5.3.1999). Yep, he
really said that.
Smileys
Demandred decided he wanted to help the group in some way to strive
for a nicer atmosphere. And so, on 11.6.1997, in the message "Smile -
You are on the alt.fan.robert.jordan!", he posted the following:
"Basic Smileys
:-) Your basic smiley. This smiley is used to inflect a sarcastic or joking statement since we can't hear
voice inflection over e-mail.
;-) Winky smiley. User just made a flirtatious and/or sarcastic
remark. More of a "don't hit me for what I
just said" smiley.
:-( Frowning smiley. User did not like that last statement or is upset or depressed about something.
:-I Indifferent smiley. Better than a :-( but not quite as good as a :-).
:-> User just made a really biting sarcastic remark. Worse than a ;-).
>:-> User just made a really devilish remark.
>;-> Winky and devil combined. A very lewd remark was just made."
Some of these would have proved to be useful later on, when the
sarcasm-levels of the group reached critical mass and nobody could be
sure whether posters were serious or not. Oh, but there's more.
"Midget Smileys
:) Midget smiley.
:] Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend.
=) Variation on a theme...
:D Laughter.
:I Hmmm...
:( Sad.
:[ Real Downer.
:O Yelling.
:,( Crying.
[] Hugs and ...
:* Kisses."
This group would, of course, be appropriate for Angus McSmashie.
Unforntunately, he seldom displays any of these sentiments. Oh, but
there's more.
"Widely used Smileys", and I think we should reintroduce these to the
group.
"(-: User is left handed.
%-) User has been staring at a green screen for 15 hours straight.
:*) User is drunk."
I'm looking at the Lush Club to start using this one. Is the Lush Club
still alive?
"[:] User is a robot.
8-) User is wearing sunglasses.
B:-) Sunglasses on head.
::-) User wears normal glasses.
B-) User wears horn-rimmed glasses.
8:-) User is a little girl.
:-)-8 User is a Big girl.
:-{) User has a mustache."
But we need one for a goatee too. Suggestions?
":-{} User wears lipstick.
{:-) User wears a toupee.
}:-( Toupee in an updraft.
:-[ User is a vampire.
:-E Bucktoothed vampire.
:-F Bucktoothed vampire with one tooth missing."
Funnily enough, I equate *all* of these with Vamps.
":-7 User juust made a wry statement.
:-* User just ate something sour."
Or had some Forsaken_juice slipped into his glass.
":-)~ User drools.
:-~) User has a cold.
:'-( User is crying.
:'-) User is so happy, s/he is crying.
:-@ User is screaming.
:-# User wears braces.
:^) User has a broken nose.
:v) User has a broken nose, but it's the other way.
:_) User's nose is sliding off of his face.
:<) User is from an Ivy League School.
:-& User is tongue tied.
=:-) User is a hosehead.
-:-) User is a punk rocker.
-:-( Real punk rockers don't smile.
:=) User has two noses.
+-:-) User is the Pope or holds some other religious office."
Imagine how many posters would claim this one.
"`:-) User shaved one of his eyebrows off this morning.
,:-) Same thing...other side.
|-I User is asleep.
|-O User is yawning/snoring.
:-Q User is a smoker.
:-? User smokes a pipe.
O-) Megaton Man On Patrol! (or else, user is a scuba diver)
O :-) User is an angel (at heart, at least).
:-` User spitting out its chewing tobacco.
:-S User just made an incoherent statement.
:-D User is laughing (at you!)
:-X User's lips are sealed.
:-C User is really bummed.
<|-) User is Chinese.
<|-( User is Chinese and doesn't like these kind of jokes."
*snigger* I like these two.
":-/ User is skeptical.
C=:-) User is a chef.
@= User is pro-nuclear war.
*<:-) User is wearing a Santa Claus Hat.
:-o Uh oh!
(8-o It's Mr. Bill!
*:o) And Bozo the Clown!
3:] Pet smiley.
3:[ Mean Pet smiley.
d8= Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat."
We'll have to discard this one, though. Too much smut potential.
"E-:-) User is a Ham radio operator.
:-9 User is licking his/her lips.
%-6 User is braindead.
[:-) User is wearing a walkman.
(:I User is an egghead.
<:-I User is a dunce.
K:P User is a little kid with a propeller beenie.
@:-) User is wearing a turban.
:-0 No Yelling! (Quiet Lab)
:-: Mutant smiley; the invisible smiley.
.-) User only has one eye.
,-) Ditto...but he's winking.
X-( User just died.
8 :-) User is a wizard.
-=* :-) User is a TeX wizard."
These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
agreed.
*sigh*
Unfortunately, the time just wasn't right. "This does not belong
here", was Mike Kazarnowicz's curt dismissal. "I don't know if there's
a newsgroup for smileys, but posting that message here is bad
netiquette." I wonder why. And so did Demandred. "It wasn't meant to
be bad netiquette (what a word!)" ("Re: Smile - You are on the
alt.fan.robert.jordan!", 13.6.1997). I feel I must agree. Who made
that word up? They deserve to be thwapped.
C&J
--
13 & 13b of the CMM Collective
O! Plus! Perge! Aio! Hui! Hem!
(the official AFRJ Latin Motto)
Now go here: www.afrj-monkeyhouse.org
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
<snip stuff>
*yoink*
(-:
> %-) User has been staring at a green screen for 15 hours straight.
> :*) User is drunk."
>
> I'm looking at the Lush Club to start using this one. Is the Lush Club
> still alive?
>
> "[:] User is a robot.
I love this one...
> 8-) User is wearing sunglasses.
> B:-) Sunglasses on head.
> ::-) User wears normal glasses.
> B-) User wears horn-rimmed glasses.
> 8:-) User is a little girl.
> :-)-8 User is a Big girl.
> :-{) User has a mustache."
>
> But we need one for a goatee too. Suggestions?
:-{> Use has full goatee
:-)> user has Van Dyk
:-)- User has soul patch
> ":-{} User wears lipstick.
> {:-) User wears a toupee.
> }:-( Toupee in an updraft.
> :-[ User is a vampire.
> :-E Bucktoothed vampire.
> :-F Bucktoothed vampire with one tooth missing."
>
> Funnily enough, I equate *all* of these with Vamps.
These crack me up.
> ":-7 User juust made a wry statement.
> :-* User just ate something sour."
>
> Or had some Forsaken_juice slipped into his glass.
*urp*
> ":-)~ User drools.
> :-~) User has a cold.
> :'-( User is crying.
> :'-) User is so happy, s/he is crying.
> :-@ User is screaming.
> :-# User wears braces.
> :^) User has a broken nose.
> :v) User has a broken nose, but it's the other way.
> :_) User's nose is sliding off of his face.
> :<) User is from an Ivy League School.
> :-& User is tongue tied.
> =:-) User is a hosehead.
> -:-) User is a punk rocker.
> -:-( Real punk rockers don't smile.
> :=) User has two noses.
> +-:-) User is the Pope or holds some other religious office."
>
> Imagine how many posters would claim this one.
I'm the Archprelate of Chyrellos!!
+-:-)
> "`:-) User shaved one of his eyebrows off this morning.
> ,:-) Same thing...other side.
> |-I User is asleep.
> |-O User is yawning/snoring.
> :-Q User is a smoker.
> :-? User smokes a pipe.
> O-) Megaton Man On Patrol! (or else, user is a scuba diver)
> O :-) User is an angel (at heart, at least).
> :-` User spitting out its chewing tobacco.
> :-S User just made an incoherent statement.
> :-D User is laughing (at you!)
> :-X User's lips are sealed.
> :-C User is really bummed.
> <|-) User is Chinese.
> <|-( User is Chinese and doesn't like these kind of jokes."
>
> *snigger* I like these two.
Me too.
> ":-/ User is skeptical.
> C=:-) User is a chef.
> @= User is pro-nuclear war.
> *<:-) User is wearing a Santa Claus Hat.
> :-o Uh oh!
> (8-o It's Mr. Bill!
> *:o) And Bozo the Clown!
> 3:] Pet smiley.
> 3:[ Mean Pet smiley.
> d8= Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat."
>
> We'll have to discard this one, though. Too much smut potential.
Not a chance!
> "E-:-) User is a Ham radio operator.
> :-9 User is licking his/her lips.
> %-6 User is braindead.
This one is just understood.
[:-) User is wearing a walkman.
> (:I User is an egghead.
> <:-I User is a dunce.
> K:P User is a little kid with a propeller beenie.
> @:-) User is wearing a turban.
> :-0 No Yelling! (Quiet Lab)
> :-: Mutant smiley; the invisible smiley.
> .-) User only has one eye.
> ,-) Ditto...but he's winking.
> X-( User just died.
> 8 :-) User is a wizard.
> -=* :-) User is a TeX wizard."
>
> These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
> Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
> agreed.
> *sigh*
>
> Unfortunately, the time just wasn't right. "This does not belong
> here", was Mike Kazarnowicz's curt dismissal. "I don't know if there's
> a newsgroup for smileys, but posting that message here is bad
> netiquette." I wonder why. And so did Demandred. "It wasn't meant to
> be bad netiquette (what a word!)" ("Re: Smile - You are on the
> alt.fan.robert.jordan!", 13.6.1997). I feel I must agree. Who made
> that word up? They deserve to be thwapped.
Good stuff.
[:]
Matt
--
It's a breakdancing stripper emergency
Alexander Bryanson
Uncle Traveling Matt wrote:
> Chucky & Janica wrote:
>
>>Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
>
>
> <snip stuff>
Man, this stuff is great!
>
>>Smileys
>>
>>Demandred decided he wanted to help the group in some way to strive
>>for a nicer atmosphere. And so, on 11.6.1997, in the message "Smile -
>>You are on the alt.fan.robert.jordan!", he posted the following:
>>
>>"Basic Smileys
>>
>>:-) Your basic smiley. This smiley is used to inflect a sarcastic or joking statement since we can't hear
>>voice inflection over e-mail.
>>;-) Winky smiley. User just made a flirtatious and/or sarcastic
>>remark. More of a "don't hit me for what I
>>just said" smiley.
Infinity, take note of this one.
>>:-( Frowning smiley. User did not like that last statement or is upset or depressed about something.
>>:-I Indifferent smiley. Better than a :-( but not quite as good as a :-).
>>:-> User just made a really biting sarcastic remark. Worse than a ;-).
>>
>>>:-> User just made a really devilish remark.
>>>;-> Winky and devil combined. A very lewd remark was just made."
.... Hmm....
>>
>>Some of these would have proved to be useful later on, when the
>>sarcasm-levels of the group reached critical mass and nobody could be
>>sure whether posters were serious or not. Oh, but there's more.
>>
>>"Midget Smileys
>>
>>:) Midget smiley.
>>:] Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend.
My friend loves drawing this on people's hands... but he calls it "Meep"
and gives it whiskers. :*]
>>=) Variation on a theme...
>>:D Laughter.
>>:I Hmmm...
>>:( Sad.
>>:[ Real Downer.
>>:O Yelling.
>>:,( Crying.
>>[] Hugs and ...
>>:* Kisses."
>>
>>This group would, of course, be appropriate for Angus McSmashie.
>>Unforntunately, he seldom displays any of these sentiments. Oh, but
>>there's more.
Oh well. *sigh*
(-:
*puke*
>
>
>
>>":-)~ User drools.
>>:-~) User has a cold.
>>:'-( User is crying.
>>:'-) User is so happy, s/he is crying.
>>:-@ User is screaming.
>>:-# User wears braces.
>>:^) User has a broken nose.
>>:v) User has a broken nose, but it's the other way.
>>:_) User's nose is sliding off of his face.
>>:<) User is from an Ivy League School.
>>:-& User is tongue tied.
>>=:-) User is a hosehead.
>>-:-) User is a punk rocker.
>>-:-( Real punk rockers don't smile.
>>:=) User has two noses.
>>+-:-) User is the Pope or holds some other religious office."
>>
>>Imagine how many posters would claim this one.
>
Warning. Skippy - OUT!
> I'm the Archprelate of Chyrellos!!
>
> +-:-)
I'm Annias!
+>:-I
>
>
>
>>"`:-) User shaved one of his eyebrows off this morning.
>>,:-) Same thing...other side.
>>|-I User is asleep.
>>|-O User is yawning/snoring.
>>:-Q User is a smoker.
>>:-? User smokes a pipe.
>>O-) Megaton Man On Patrol! (or else, user is a scuba diver)
>>O :-) User is an angel (at heart, at least).
>>:-` User spitting out its chewing tobacco.
>>:-S User just made an incoherent statement.
>>:-D User is laughing (at you!)
>>:-X User's lips are sealed.
>>:-C User is really bummed.
>><|-) User is Chinese.
>><|-( User is Chinese and doesn't like these kind of jokes."
>>
>>*snigger* I like these two.
>
>
> Me two.
Me three.
>
>
>
>>":-/ User is skeptical.
>>C=:-) User is a chef.
>>@= User is pro-nuclear war.
>>*<:-) User is wearing a Santa Claus Hat.
>>:-o Uh oh!
>>(8-o It's Mr. Bill!
>>*:o) And Bozo the Clown!
>>3:] Pet smiley.
>>3:[ Mean Pet smiley.
>>d8= Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat."
>>
>>We'll have to discard this one, though. Too much smut potential.
Really? Didn't notice.
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> >>:] Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend.
>
> My friend loves drawing this on people's hands...
One word: Why?
> >>"(-: User is left handed.
A common (and incorrect) myth.
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Infinity.
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Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Uncle Traveling Matt wrote:
> > Chucky & Janica wrote:
Skippy you hydrophobic cunt...
> >>:-{) User has a mustache."
> >>
> >>But we need one for a goatee too. Suggestions?
> >
> > :-{> Use has full goatee
> >
> > :-)> user has Van Dyk
> >
> > :-)- User has soul patch
> >>+-:-) User is the Pope or holds some other religious office."
> >>
> >>Imagine how many posters would claim this one.
> >
>
> Warning. Skippy - OUT!
>
> > I'm the Archprelate of Chyrellos!!
> >
> > +-:-)
>
> I'm Annias!
>
> +>:-I
I'm the Archmadrite of Darsas!
+-:-{>
Sam
"Uncle Traveling Matt" <mat...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3DD72766...@aol.com...
+-:-{##
Patriarch Bergsten.
S.
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Alexander Bryanson (arcim...@yahoo.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
>
> > >>:] Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend.
> >
> > My friend loves drawing this on people's hands...
>
> One word: Why?
>
> > >>"(-: User is left handed.
>
> A common (and incorrect) myth.
Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
;-)
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> >
> > A common (and incorrect) myth.
>
>
> Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
Eh?
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
>
> > > > >>"(-: User is left handed.
> > >
> > > A common (and incorrect) myth.
> >
> >
> > Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
>
> Eh?
I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means) does not my my
interpretation invalid.
You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
;-I
Chucky & Janica
Traveling Matt <mat...@aol.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> "[:] User is a robot.
>
>I love this one...
[J] I reckon this could become our new fad, like the 10-codes. Mister
C couldn't complain that we stole them off him, at least.
>> But we need one for a goatee too. Suggestions?
>
>:-{> Use has full goatee
[J] User has a Hetfield?
>:-)> user has Van Dyk
>
>:-)- User has soul patch
[J] These are good. I'll have to compile a new list with the different
new smileys people come up with.
>> ":-{} User wears lipstick.
>> {:-) User wears a toupee.
>> }:-( Toupee in an updraft.
>> :-[ User is a vampire.
>> :-E Bucktoothed vampire.
>> :-F Bucktoothed vampire with one tooth missing."
>>
>> Funnily enough, I equate *all* of these with Vamps.
>
>These crack me up.
[J] Me too. I especially like the toupee in an updraft one.
>> Or had some Forsaken_juice slipped into his glass.
>
>*urp*
[J] It's nasty when that happens.
>> d8= Your pet beaver is wearing goggles and a hard hat."
>>
>> We'll have to discard this one, though. Too much smut potential.
>
>Not a chance!
[J] *sigh* Well, no, I guess I should have known that.
>Good stuff.
>
>[:]
[J] *grin* Thanks. Glad you liked it, and I continue to feel flattered
that you actually admit to reading them. I'm all touched. *sniffle*
Next episode - who killed Asmodean!
Chucky & Janica
Bryanson <arcim...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> <snip stuff>
>
>Man, this stuff is great!
[J] Thanks. Next chapter will attempt to solve the mystery of who
killed Asmodean.
>>>:] Gleep...a friendly midget smiley who will gladly be your friend.
>
>My friend loves drawing this on people's hands... but he calls it "Meep"
>and gives it whiskers. :*]
[J] That's too close to a drunken face. How about :x]?
>>>*snigger* I like these two.
>>
>> Me two.
>
>Me three.
[J] Hee hee. Great minds, and all that.
>>>We'll have to discard this one, though. Too much smut potential.
>
>Really? Didn't notice.
[J] You're not a seasoned AFRJer, yet. Give it a year or two, and
you'll find something to go "hur hur hur..." about in anything anybody
posts.
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity wrote:
> >
> > Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> > to convey the following in binary:
> >
> > > > > >>"(-: User is left handed.
> > > >
> > > > A common (and incorrect) myth.
> > >
> > >
> > > Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
> >
> > Eh?
>
> I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
> left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
>
> Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
> does not my my interpretation invalid.
It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
saying.
> You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
"If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
So be ready."
naturelover
> Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
> > Infinity wrote:
> > >
> > > Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> > > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> > > to convey the following in binary:
> > >
> > > > > > >>"(-: User is left handed.
> > > > >
> > > > > A common (and incorrect) myth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
> > >
> > > Eh?
> >
> > I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
> > left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
> >
> > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>
> Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
*shakes head*
Oh boy.
>
> > does not my my interpretation invalid.
>
> It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
> type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
> saying.
>
> > You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
>
> Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
> "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
> it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
> So be ready."
Why don't you do us a favour and look up those cute little smileys again?
Good boy!
naturelover
> Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
[snip]
>
>
>
>
> C&J
That was really cool!
Way to go Janica!!
We wants more.
Uncle Traveling Matt
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
> > Infinity wrote:
> > >
> > > Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> > > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> > > to convey the following in binary:
> > >
> > > > > > >>"(-: User is left handed.
> > > > >
> > > > > A common (and incorrect) myth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
> > >
> > > Eh?
> >
> > I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
> > left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
> >
> > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>
> Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
MYTH
1 a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that
serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a
practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b : PARABLE, ALLEGORY
2 a : a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something
or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of
a society or segment of society b : an unfounded or false notion
3 : a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable
existence
You should focus your attention on definition #3. So you don't waste
precious brain cells trying to decipher it, allow me to simplify: a
myth is typically accepted without being judged as right or wrong.
Otherwise it would be history, or just plain stupid.
But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
three characters.
It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
live with.
> > does not my my interpretation invalid.
>
> It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
> type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
> saying.
.tunc a llits era uoY.
> > You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
>
> Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
> "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
> it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
> So be ready."
I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
*no smiley for you*
Matt
bruce
>
> Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
Yay! As good as ever.
> As was stated in the previous chapter, it is difficult to make
> sweeping statements about what the group was like before the takeover,
> because one has to cover several years and a multitude of posters.
> This is also the problem with this chapter, which will deal with
> netiquette.
The reference for netiquette is RFC 1855 ("Netiquette guidelines") and makes
quite an interesting read, when you compare it to what most people call
netiquette (eg., cross-posting is encouraged). I'll quote the relevant parts
of it for each section to inform and amuse (they'll be the indented parts of
my reply - cut'n'paste is so much easier than retyping).
> Snipping and attribution
>
> When replying to a post, netiquette states that the poster should
> leave in information about who they are replying to, and a sufficient
> amount of quoted material so readers can keep up.
- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
It doesn't say anything about attribution, except when forwarding mail.
Attribution and snipping aren't, technically, required as the References
line of your post shows which post you're replying to. They just make it
easier for us poor humans.
> Test posts
>
> We're all familiar with the posts that say "test", and the replies
> they usually get. I'm sure that whoever makes the test post can,
> within a few days, be absolutely certain their rig is working -
> test-threads can grow up to 100 posts. But in any case, here are some
> pre-takeover examples.
>
> A Fejes, for example, had the following advice: "Just so that you
> know, there are groups devoted to the purpose of testing postings...
> This isn't one." ("Re: test post - ignore it", 27.1.1997). Wouldn't it
> have been easier to say, 'yeah, it worked'? It would have served the
> exact same purpose. But what would I know?
One good thing about using alt.test is the chance of getting an email from
.GOD or .SATAN (they reply to one post every 6 hours). I've got a .GOD
message somewhere.
> aulendil arrived on the group in September 1996, with the baffled
> question, "How thw HELL does this work? /.../ How do I post? /.../ Why
> do articles I see under headings have nothing to do with the headings
> above them?" Well, that's easy enough to answer. People can't stick to
> one topic. But did anyone calmly explain this to aulendil? Of course
> not. "Let me give you a tip, buddy", Saurabh Asthana said, and we all
> know what will follow when someone starts their post like that. "Don't
> make posts like this. /.../ just stay quiet and say meaningful stuff,
> and learn how to use UseNet somewhere else, because you won't get help
> here." ("Re: Help a newbie?", 6.9.1996). I'm very disappointed that
> Saurabh didn't specify where, exactly, one could go for this sort of
> information, other than Usenet. Well, one could always try rec.arts, I
> guess. They're very willing to tell you what you've done wrong.
Theoretically, anyone new to Usenet should read news.announce.newusers. But
you don't come to realise that until you're no longer a newbie..
> Lurk before you post
>
> Some followers of netiquette insist that you should always lurk in a
> group before posting. Nathan Dunning, for example, suggested that "2
> weeks is a minimum, a month is better" ("Re: REPONSE PLEASE!!!!!",
> 27.1.1999). The problem is, nobody tells you these things when you're
> lurking. because they don't know you're there.
- Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
the culture of the group.
> Arguments
- A good rule of thumb: Be conservative in what you send and
liberal in what you receive. You should not send heated messages
(we call these "flames") even if you are provoked. On the other
hand, you shouldn't be surprised if you get flamed and it's
prudent not to respond to flames.
- Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture,
language, and humor have different points of reference from your
own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may
not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm.
- Wait overnight to send emotional responses to messages. If you
have really strong feelings about a subject, indicate it via
FLAME ON/OFF enclosures. For example:
FLAME ON: This type of argument is not worth the bandwidth
it takes to send it. It's illogical and poorly
reasoned. The rest of the world agrees with me.
FLAME OFF
- If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
make your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
send messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a
point on which the group might have some interest, you may
summarize for them later.
- Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
to incendiary material.
- There are Newsgroups and Mailing Lists which discuss topics
of wide varieties of interests. These represent a diversity of
lifestyles, religions, and cultures. Posting articles or sending
messages to a group whose point of view is offensive to you
simply to tell them they are offensive is not acceptable.
Sexually and racially harassing messages may also have legal
implications. There is software available to filter items
you might find objectionable.
> Spelling
>
> Possibly the largest area of discussion concerning proper posting
> habits has been the issue of spelling.
- Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
as an immature beginner.
- Use mixed case. UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING.
> Questions
>
> The constant demand for netiquette tends to make people wary of what
> they post, and next thing you know, people are asking stupid
> questions, such as "Is it against Netiquette to paste links?" (from
> Sallyroo, "Re: Mailing list", 26.9.1997). Wow, Squiggle, are you in
> trouble or what.
- If you ask a question, be sure to post a summary. When doing so,
truly summarize rather than send a cumulation of the messages you
receive.
The rfc doesn't say anything about questions about netiquette on Usenet. For
mail though:
- In general, most people who use the Internet don't have time
to answer general questions about the Internet and its workings.
Don't send unsolicited mail asking for information to people
whose names you might have seen in RFCs or on mailing lists.
> Formatting
>
> Line lengths are probably the least-complained about netiquette topic
> on the group, for some reason. There's only the occasional, "Really,
> really, really gotta work on them line lenghts. Really" (from Chris
> Rose, "Re: Mazrim Taim IS Demandred", 4.1.1998). Really?
- Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line
with a carriage return.
> Other issues of formatting include where to post.That wasn't really
> much of a hassle either, usually the messages sounded much like Andrew
> J Codling's "/.../ as others in this group will tell you (if you go to
> rasfwr-j they will tell you very impolitely) we normally post after
> the message we are replying to, basically it seems to make it easier
> to read the point the person was making if they refer to what they
> were replying to. Does that make sense?" ("Re: Dragons?", 21.1.1998).
> This post also shows the typical attitude to rasfwrj - they were
> considered a harsher group than AFRJ.
>
> Nathan Dunning considered the standard of bottom-posting as serving a
> useful purpose: "/.../ it's a twit filter. The only people who post
> text above the quoted test are either complete newbies (who generally
> learn quickly) or immature 14 year olds who think its k001 to ignore
> comon courtesy." *snigger* 'Comon'. So, Shannon, are you a complete
> newbie, or a 14-year-old? "So I ignore those messages. I imagine not a
> few posters do the same. So if you want to be read, follow the simple
> rules. It's not like it takes any effort to follow them. If you just
> want to post as an exercise in mental masturbation, continue on your
> way. It doesn't matter to me ("Re: Asmodean killed by....",
> 3.12.1998). But it obviously *is* bothering you, Nathan since you're
> posting about it.
- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
> Off-topic posting
- Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
as an immature beginner.
> Posting handles
>
> Anyone who has been to rasfwrj knows that they consider a poster's
> name to be an integral part of netiquette. If you want to be taken
> seriously, you should post under your real name. Or at least a name
> that *could* be your real name. *grin*
- Postings via anonymous servers are accepted in some Newsgroups
and disliked in others. Material which is inappropriate when
posted under one's own name is still inappropriate when posted
anonymously.
- If a user is using a nickname alias or pseudonym, respect that
user's desire for anonymity. Even if you and that person are
close friends, it is more courteous to use his nickname. Do
not use that person's real name online without permission.
> Binaries
>
> It wasn't very common that people posted binaries to AFRJ, but when it
> happened, there were usually objections. "Please refrain from posting
> binaries to this newsgroup", Etherman snapped. "Unless of course it's
> a pic of Birgitte nekked" ("Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", 5.3.1999). Yep, he
> really said that.
Some of us just go and create a new group..
> Smileys
>
> Demandred decided he wanted to help the group in some way to strive
> for a nicer atmosphere. And so, on 11.6.1997, in the message "Smile -
> You are on the alt.fan.robert.jordan!", he posted the following:
- Use smileys to indicate tone of voice, but use them sparingly.
:-) is an example of a smiley (Look sideways). Don't assume
that the inclusion of a smiley will make the recipient happy
with what you say or wipe out an otherwise insulting comment.
<smiley list>
> These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
> Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
> agreed.
IMO, it's a bit of overkill having so many smileys. I only ever use four
shorthand ones ("midget", my arse).
:) smile
;) wink (usually lewd)
:P poking out tongue
:( frown
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Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> > > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
> >
> > Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
>
> MYTH
>
> 1 a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that
> serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a
> practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b : PARABLE, ALLEGORY
> 2 a : a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something
> or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of
> a society or segment of society b : an unfounded or false notion
> 3 : a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable
> existence
>
>
>
> You should focus your attention on definition #3. So you don't waste
> precious brain cells trying to decipher it, allow me to simplify: a
> myth is typically accepted without being judged as right or wrong.
> Otherwise it would be history, or just plain stupid.
The smiley being left-handed /is/ "a thing having only an imaginary
existence".
> But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
> user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
> three characters.
Origins are irrelevant. It's the interpretation which is based upon a
myth.
> It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
> live with.
I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
> > > does not my my interpretation invalid.
> >
> > It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
> > type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
> > saying.
>
> .tunc a llits era uoY.
Bet that took you a while.
> > > You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
> >
> > Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
> > "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
> > it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
> > So be ready."
>
>
> I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
> of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
A tit? I would've used a stronger word, myself.
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
>
> > > > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
> > >
> > > Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
> >
> > MYTH
> >
> > 1 a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that
> > serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a
> > practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b : PARABLE, ALLEGORY
> > 2 a : a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something
> > or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of
> > a society or segment of society b : an unfounded or false notion
> > 3 : a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable
> > existence
> >
> >
> >
> > You should focus your attention on definition #3. So you don't waste
> > precious brain cells trying to decipher it, allow me to simplify: a
> > myth is typically accepted without being judged as right or wrong.
> > Otherwise it would be history, or just plain stupid.
>
> The smiley being left-handed /is/ "a thing having only an imaginary
> existence".
Not to me - makes perfect sense.
If a > can represent eyebrows, I'm willing to extend the usage to
include a backwards smiley. Has nothing to do with the actuality of how
left-handed people write.
> > But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
> > user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
> > three characters.
>
> Origins are irrelevant. It's the interpretation which is based upon a
> myth.
>
> > It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
> > live with.
>
> I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified
I have a Ph.D. from Sinistrous University, and I am more qualified than
you.
Go Southpaws!!!
> to say that the myth upon which
> the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
Or, most likely, non-existent. Who ever heard of left-handed people
writing backwards[1]?
It's utter nonsense - we would be crippled in the world of our
wrong-handed oppressors! You'd have to think backwards too, starting
with the end of the line (if not the entire paragraph) and working
backwards.
> > > > does not my my interpretation invalid.
> > >
> > > It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
> > > type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
> > > saying.
> >
> > .tunc a llits era uoY.
>
> Bet that took you a while.
All day.
*buffs nails*
> > > > You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
> > >
> > > Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
> > > "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
> > > it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
> > > So be ready."
> >
> >
> > I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
> > of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
>
> A tit? I would've used a stronger word, myself.
That's the spirit!
Matt
[1] Western languages only.
naturelover
> Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
>
> I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
> the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
You're not statistically relevant.
There are always exceptions.
[snip more]
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/17/2002 7:16 PM Central Standard Time
>
>Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>to convey the following in binary:
>> Infinity wrote:
>> >
>> > Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>> > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>> > to convey the following in binary:
>> >
>> > > > > >>"(-: User is left handed.
>> > > >
>> > > > A common (and incorrect) myth.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Surely it is - to unimaginative 'fish.
>> >
>> > Eh?
>>
>> I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
>> left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
>>
>> Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>
>Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of incorrect and
myth.
>> does not my my interpretation invalid.
>
>It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
>type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
>saying.
It couldn't be that they might actually enjoy being left handed and might want
to let people know by reversing their emoticon, could it?
>> You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
>
>Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
> "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
> it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
> So be ready."
That's a little tame. Besides, I've never seen you insult some one personally.
That or it was so lame I missed it.
The Vampire, "Muffin Man"
--
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/18/2002 1:27 PM Central Standard Time
>Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>to convey the following in binary:
>snip useless crap<
>> It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
>> live with.
>
>I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
>the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
I'm sure there are just one or two other left-handed people around. I'm sure
one or two of them have been around many years longer than you have and are
thus far more qualified.
>> > > does not my my interpretation invalid.
>> >
>> > It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
>> > type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
>> > saying.
>>
>> .tunc a llits era uoY.
>
>Bet that took you a while.
You missed a chance to feck. You must be ashamed.
>> > > You really are a narrow-minded shit, aren't you?
>> >
>> > Newsgroup rule something-or-other:
>> > "If it becomes obvious somebody will never admit they are wrong,
>> > it is only a matter of time before they insult you personally.
>> > So be ready."
>>
>>
>> I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
>> of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
>
>A tit? I would've used a stronger word, myself.
"Donkey-raping shit-eater" would have been my choice.
Marek Mercury
published the following dissertation:
>
>Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
>
Yay!!
>
>YHBT, by the way, stands
>for You Have Been Trolled. It was quite a common expression in rasfwrj
>at the time.
I think AFRJ could change its name to YHBT.
> And when you're
>trying to read a 50-post thread, and starting from post three all you
>get on the screen is attribution lines, and half of the posts are from
>Contro anyway - well, I'm sure you won't hold it against me if I admit
>I've skipped most of that stuff.
That sounds like sanity to me. Not very monkey like behaviour.
> I must say, the posts that
>can be called 'nuggets of information' have always been few and far
>apart on this newsgroup.
And often summed up in parodies and quotes lists.
>
>Kevin D. Jones got quite fed up with the self-certain attitude of some
>posters, too. "What is this nonsense about 'common knowledge'. 1. A
>writer's work is subject to interpretation by the reader, and I'm
>assuming we can all read.
Did he get that assumption wrong or what?
>
>Spelling
>
>Possibly the largest area of discussion concerning proper posting
>habits has been the issue of spelling.
Of course, that doesn't happen anymore!
*dripping*
>Quite often, there have been people who are sticklers for proper
>spelling. "I'm sorry, I don't want to be an idiot, but please WATCH
>YOUR SPELLING! You don't know how hard it is to decode some words!!!"
>Ben McGeehan requested ("Spelling", 26.2.1997). He wouldn't have
>gotten on too well with Contro, who usually follows the theory that as
>long as the people reading him know English, they should know what he
>means. taladas was even more abrupt: "Also, have you ever heard of the
>ENGLISH language? sheesh!" ("Re: Different Ages...", 14.1.1999). Yes,
>I have. Have you heard that a sentence starts with a capital letter?
I can see Infinicky punching the air at all this.
>Bill Garrett had similar ideas when he told JBlund8606 that "First, as
>a point of etiquette, you should practice writing complete sentences,
>beginning with a capitalized letter and ending in a single period."
>Damn. Can't I end my sentences with something else? Oops. But what if
>I...? Oh, crud. "The only picture we have of you is given to us by
>your writing. If your writing is a mess, people will think of you as a
>mess"
I guess we must think of Aleph as a blackboard then.
>worry was his spelling. Here's what Garrett was replying to: "i don't
>give a flying pigs poop about legalities or blood lines...there is no
>way in heck that Rand can be Elayne's half-sister..." Quite so. It
>would take one heck of a blood line to make Rand Elayne's sister.
Not everyone would agree here.
> "1.) why dont you get a
>life...?" Ah yes, the single most popular insult on Usenet - because
>it doesn't matter who you say it to, you'll always be right.
And thus one must be cautious in using it, because it can easily
become self-referential.
> "2.) you
>cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
>grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky*
*and Infinicky*
> "3.) what makes you think that you should have the
>right to bitch about everything that happens in this newsgroup..?"
>This is a good question. "4.) if i could smallcase numbers i would..."
>And *this* is an excellent suggestion. What would lower case numbers
>look like? ("Re: dot9ms", 12.12.1997).
The same. Just laying down on their sides.
>When NANNY
>OGG posted her message in all-caps as well, Wigglesworth pointed out
>that "Nettiquette says that ALL CAPS is shouting and it is rude.
>Please stop. /.../ It's the equivalent of screaming at the top of your
>lungs in someone's face" ("Re: Moraine Dead?", 16.1.1999). It is funny
>that people object to this sort of shouting, but don't mind it when
>posters shout abuse, as long as they spell it okay.
Damn straight!
When i read caps lock, i always get this booming voice in my head. Too
much of it gives me a head ache.
hmmm
*is Demandred*
> Mahnorak
>al'Tighron, in turn, suggested posters not write in all-caps, because
>"you look like an illiterate AOL using newbie stain....." ("Re:
>COMPAIR TERRY GOODKINK AND ROBERT JORDEN", 22.2.1999). *sigh* All that
>punctuation, and yet the sentence makes so little sense.
Goodkink. As opposed to bad kink?
*girly giggles*
COMPAIR: Tag team MCs at the one function.
>Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
I think you have a thing for this guy. Must be that suave trollyness.
> So ... if people who should know the
>language don't, and still write, then the people who shouldn't know
>the language but do shouldn't write? Remarkable.
That hurt
*holds head*
> erik_l also said, "Some of
>you do _NOT_ have any patience for people who don't agree with your
>theories och proof", prompting Galt to burst out, "Och? You see now
>why we insist on proper English? That last sentence becomes almost
>incomprehensible with 'och' in it." Only to an idiot, Galt.
I think that sentence must be understood as revolving around the
'och'. It gives it far more meaning. I think there should be an och in
every sentence.
>Unfortunately, just as things were looking up, Galt bailed out of the
>argument. "/.../ this weekend I wasn't at the computer because I was
>visiting my girlfriend. Also, I don't give a shit enough to reply to
>it now, due to the fact that she ditched me at the theatre yesterday,
>and now has the police looking for her, and the other boyfriend she
>apparantly was keeping secret from me." Ooh, finally something worth
>reading! "And, needless to say, I'm not in quite the mood to discuss
>this drivel any further. It's only marginally better than that 8
>fucking hour drive home. (As a peice of friendly advice, don't ever
>let yourself care or trust anyone. In my few experiences, it only
>leads to betrayal and pain)"
hee hee
That had nothing to do with the och argument, but i'm glad you put it
in there. It made Galt och interesting.
>"Maybe it is just me.....but I would think that if one had
>this poor a grasp on the English language, they would not get much out
>of a book series as complex as this!" ("Re: Asmodean death
>important?", 17.1.1999). Books get translated into many, many
>languages, Asha'man. Imagine that. Jean D ended the discussion with a
>long post on the subject, making the comment, "And, after all, you did
>understand his message, didn't you?" ("Re: Asmodean death important?",
>18.1.1999). And so, we're back to the Contro argument.
hahaha
I don't think anyone has suggested Contro could be understood.
>Over the years, the group has been literally swamped with hairbrained
>theories. Fluffy One, already mentioned earlier, had very little
>patience for them, dismissing them off-hand: "I simply cannot
>understand where you got the /.../ idea from...
Now i'm wondering what went in the /.../.
Whoops, i forgot F_1's rule -- They are talking about the penis idea.
Sorry about that.
It makes the next line much funnier:
> As far as I recall, there is absolutely no evidence supporting it."
6 billion people?
> Well, that's never stopped anyone before.
Indeed, 6 billion people!!
> It is quite apparent that this sort of
>dismissal was not appropriate in alt.fan - contrary to netiquette, I
>guess one can say, because Fluffy soon got a reply from Richard Wentz:
>"Sheesh. I just love your supportive and open and accepting ways", he
>sneered. "Your methods /.../ is really inspiring. I hope I can be as
>open to new ideas as you can" ("Re: Latra Posae and Nynaeve??",
>8.12.1997). I sort of agree. Of course, this doesn't change the fact
>that I thought the original idea - Nynaeve is Latra Posae reborn - was
>also ridiculous. But at least one should try and find the humour in it
>all.
Hey, i like that idea.
>Jordan's characters have names that are notoriously difficult to
>remember. "He [Rand] wasn't completely bonded to what's her face",
>Trevarthan claimed, prompting Jesse Thompson to comment, "how bout
>actually looking in your book and making 'good' posts, I.e. 'what's
>her face' isn't very specific. Try Alanna" ("Re: An inconsistency or
>two.", 5.4.1998). 'What's her face' sounds fine to me. Details,
>details.
I know of a ... oh never mind.
>Nathan Dunning considered the standard of bottom-posting as serving a
>useful purpose: "/.../ it's a twit filter. The only people who post
>text above the quoted test are either complete newbies (who generally
>learn quickly) or immature 14 year olds who think its k001 to ignore
>comon courtesy." *snigger* 'Comon'. So, Shannon, are you a complete
>newbie, or a 14-year-old? "So I ignore those messages. I imagine not a
>few posters do the same. So if you want to be read, follow the simple
>rules. It's not like it takes any effort to follow them. If you just
>want to post as an exercise in mental masturbation, continue on your
>way. It doesn't matter to me ("Re: Asmodean killed by....",
>3.12.1998). But it obviously *is* bothering you, Nathan since you're
>posting about it.
That sounds too much like the other group. 'You aren't formatting
properly, so obviously you don't want to be read.' Its like telling
someone standing on one leg in a store that they obviously don't want
service because their not using both legs.
>Posting handles
>
>Anyone who has been to rasfwrj knows that they consider a poster's
>name to be an integral part of netiquette. If you want to be taken
>seriously, you should post under your real name. Or at least a name
>that *could* be your real name. *grin*
I never understood all of this. Why does it matter?
>Smileys
>
>"Widely used Smileys", and I think we should reintroduce these to the
>group.
They are great. I concur.
>"(-: User is left handed.
>%-) User has been staring at a green screen for 15 hours straight.
>:*) User is drunk."
>
>I'm looking at the Lush Club to start using this one. Is the Lush Club
>still alive?
What is the Lush Club?
>:_) User's nose is sliding off of his face.
love that.
><|-) User is Chinese.
><|-( User is Chinese and doesn't like these kind of jokes."
>
>*snigger* I like these two.
me too
>
>These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
>Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
>agreed.
>
>*sigh*
>
>Unfortunately, the time just wasn't right.
Well, its ripe now.
Great work once again.
Marek
--
"Rand reached into his pocket to grab hold of his fat-little-man"
Marek Mercury
dissertation:
>Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>to convey the following in binary:
>
>> > > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>> >
>> > Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
>>
>> But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
>> user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
>> three characters.
>
>Origins are irrelevant.
10-76
Marek Mercury
published the following dissertation:
>Way back on Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:54:43 GMT, this dweeb called Alexander
>Bryanson <arcim...@yahoo.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
>>
>>Man, this stuff is great!
>
>[J] Thanks. Next chapter will attempt to solve the mystery of who
>killed Asmodean.
Whoo hoo!!
F_1
janica....@pp.inet.fi proclaimed their love for me by saying:
>
>[J] You're not a seasoned AFRJer, yet. Give it a year or two, and
>you'll find something to go "hur hur hur..." about in anything anybody
>posts.
>
Hur hur hur. You said 'posts.'
Forsaken_1
--
I did it with a wiffle ball bat.
---
alt.CMMCollective: #00o2 of 0002
"A Nice Cup of Tea is Irrelevent."
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> You should focus your attention on definition #3. So you don't waste
>> precious brain cells trying to decipher it, allow me to simplify: a
>> myth is typically accepted without being judged as right or wrong.
>> Otherwise it would be history, or just plain stupid.
>
>The smiley being left-handed /is/ "a thing having only an imaginary
>existence".
>
>Origins are irrelevant. It's the interpretation which is based upon a
>myth.
>
>I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
>the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
It's a joke, you penis.
Janica asks if you can take your pointless, annoying nit-picking the
fuck out of her thread. Thank you.
Chucky & Janica
nature...@netscape.net (naturelover) kirjoitti viestissä:
>That was really cool!
>Way to go Janica!!
[J] *smile* Thanks.
>We wants more.
[J] I'm working on it. Next part will tell you once and for all who
killed Asmodean.
Several times.
Chucky & Janica
m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>>Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
>
>Yay!!
[J] My expectant fans keep my hopes up when I write. This part felt
especially ... sticky, somehow.
>>YHBT, by the way, stands for You Have Been Trolled. It was quite a common
>>expression in rasfwrj at the time.
>
>I think AFRJ could change its name to YHBT.
[J] It would be a more correct description of what the group is about,
at least.
>> And when you're
>>trying to read a 50-post thread, and starting from post three all you
>>get on the screen is attribution lines, and half of the posts are from
>>Contro anyway - well, I'm sure you won't hold it against me if I admit
>>I've skipped most of that stuff.
>
>That sounds like sanity to me. Not very monkey like behaviour.
[J] Ah, but monkeys have no attention span!
Anyway, considering the file I have on Contro, I really don't need any
more material.
>>Kevin D. Jones got quite fed up with the self-certain attitude of some
>>posters, too. "What is this nonsense about 'common knowledge'. 1. A
>>writer's work is subject to interpretation by the reader, and I'm
>>assuming we can all read.
>
>Did he get that assumption wrong or what?
[J] Certainly. But today, people at least admit to not knowing how to
read.
>>Spelling
>>
>>Possibly the largest area of discussion concerning proper posting
>>habits has been the issue of spelling.
>
>Of course, that doesn't happen anymore!
>
>*dripping*
[J] Well, at least we're usually funny about it. *dark look* Usually.
Anyway, I don't usually mind bad spelling. I will occasionally help
Chucky make dictionary entries, but that's about it. The only time I
will step in is if someone is making derogatory remarks about another
poster, all the while spelling their derogatory remarks wrong. And
I've taught Chucky to leave non-native posters alone most of the time.
>>Quite often, there have been people who are sticklers for proper
>>spelling. "I'm sorry, I don't want to be an idiot, but please WATCH
>>YOUR SPELLING! You don't know how hard it is to decode some words!!!"
>>Ben McGeehan requested ("Spelling", 26.2.1997). He wouldn't have
>>gotten on too well with Contro, who usually follows the theory that as
>>long as the people reading him know English, they should know what he
>>means. taladas was even more abrupt: "Also, have you ever heard of the
>>ENGLISH language? sheesh!" ("Re: Different Ages...", 14.1.1999). Yes,
>>I have. Have you heard that a sentence starts with a capital letter?
>
>I can see Infinicky punching the air at all this.
[J] Regardless, I thought it was quite amusing that most of the people
who I found quotes by, railing against bad spellers, managed to make
at least one mistake in their post.
>>worry was his spelling. Here's what Garrett was replying to: "i don't
>>give a flying pigs poop about legalities or blood lines...there is no
>>way in heck that Rand can be Elayne's half-sister..." Quite so. It
>>would take one heck of a blood line to make Rand Elayne's sister.
>
>Not everyone would agree here.
[J] Agree with what? I know some people suggest that Rand and Elayne
are related, but surely Rand isn't Elayne's sister.
>> "1.) why dont you get a
>>life...?" Ah yes, the single most popular insult on Usenet - because
>>it doesn't matter who you say it to, you'll always be right.
>
>And thus one must be cautious in using it, because it can easily
>become self-referential.
[J] *grin* I know!If you don't have anything better to do than tell
people they have no life, you probably don't have one either. That's
why it's one of my favourite insults. It's so futile.
>> "2.) you
>>cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
>>grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky*
>
>*and Infinicky*
[J] But Chucky's funny.
And he's my husband, so I'm allowed to make fun of him.
>>When NANNY
>>OGG posted her message in all-caps as well, Wigglesworth pointed out
>>that "Nettiquette says that ALL CAPS is shouting and it is rude.
>>Please stop. /.../ It's the equivalent of screaming at the top of your
>>lungs in someone's face" ("Re: Moraine Dead?", 16.1.1999). It is funny
>>that people object to this sort of shouting, but don't mind it when
>>posters shout abuse, as long as they spell it okay.
>
>Damn straight!
>
>When i read caps lock, i always get this booming voice in my head. Too
>much of it gives me a head ache.
>
>hmmm
>*is Demandred*
[J] It makes my eyes hurt.
>> Mahnorak
>>al'Tighron, in turn, suggested posters not write in all-caps, because
>>"you look like an illiterate AOL using newbie stain....." ("Re:
>>COMPAIR TERRY GOODKINK AND ROBERT JORDEN", 22.2.1999). *sigh* All that
>>punctuation, and yet the sentence makes so little sense.
>
>Goodkink. As opposed to bad kink?
>
>*girly giggles*
[J] I've never read any of his books, but I hear they aren't good
kink.
>>Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
>
>I think you have a thing for this guy. Must be that suave trollyness.
[J] Student, or Sastan, paved the way for the Takeover. He was the
original troll.
And hell, how can you not like a guy who's been gone for almost four
years, and is still referred to as "S**tan" and "the most killfiled
person ever" by the rec.artists?
>> So ... if people who should know the
>>language don't, and still write, then the people who shouldn't know
>>the language but do shouldn't write? Remarkable.
>
>That hurt
>
>*holds head*
[J] *buffs nails* I was quite proud of that one. It was at least as
confusing as the original opinion.
>> erik_l also said, "Some of
>>you do _NOT_ have any patience for people who don't agree with your
>>theories och proof", prompting Galt to burst out, "Och? You see now
>>why we insist on proper English? That last sentence becomes almost
>>incomprehensible with 'och' in it." Only to an idiot, Galt.
>
>I think that sentence must be understood as revolving around the
>'och'. It gives it far more meaning. I think there should be an och in
>every sentence.
[J] *grin* Well, there almost is. It's Swedish for "and". erik_l was
Swedish (or is, but he's on holiday now), and I think the argument was
getting on his nerves, since he slipped between languages like that.
>>Unfortunately, just as things were looking up, Galt bailed out of the
>>argument. "/.../ this weekend I wasn't at the computer because I was
>>visiting my girlfriend. Also, I don't give a shit enough to reply to
>>it now, due to the fact that she ditched me at the theatre yesterday,
>>and now has the police looking for her, and the other boyfriend she
>>apparantly was keeping secret from me." Ooh, finally something worth
>>reading! "And, needless to say, I'm not in quite the mood to discuss
>>this drivel any further. It's only marginally better than that 8
>>fucking hour drive home. (As a peice of friendly advice, don't ever
>>let yourself care or trust anyone. In my few experiences, it only
>>leads to betrayal and pain)"
>
>hee hee
>That had nothing to do with the och argument, but i'm glad you put it
>in there. It made Galt och interesting.
[J] Hee hee hee hee! I know! Of all the ways to bail out of an
argument, this has to be the classiest ever!
>>"Maybe it is just me.....but I would think that if one had
>>this poor a grasp on the English language, they would not get much out
>>of a book series as complex as this!" ("Re: Asmodean death
>>important?", 17.1.1999). Books get translated into many, many
>>languages, Asha'man. Imagine that. Jean D ended the discussion with a
>>long post on the subject, making the comment, "And, after all, you did
>>understand his message, didn't you?" ("Re: Asmodean death important?",
>>18.1.1999). And so, we're back to the Contro argument.
>
>hahaha
>I don't think anyone has suggested Contro could be understood.
[J] Nobody except Contro. He has consistently taken the view that
other people should be able to tell what he means. Therefore, if he is
arguing point 'a', and suddenly switches to point 'b', the opposing
person should be able to follow his argument. If the opposing person
also starts arguing 'b', he is in fact deliberately trying to confuse
Contro, and should definitely have been able to tell what Contro meant
in the first place, even if Contro himself isn't quite sure anymore.
What a guy. No wonder we gave him the Immortal Party.
>>Over the years, the group has been literally swamped with hairbrained
>>theories. Fluffy One, already mentioned earlier, had very little
>>patience for them, dismissing them off-hand: "I simply cannot
>>understand where you got the /.../ idea from...
>
>Now i'm wondering what went in the /.../.
[J] hah, I actually can't remember. It was probably an explanatory
parenthesis or something.
>Whoops, i forgot F_1's rule -- They are talking about the penis idea.
>Sorry about that.
>
>It makes the next line much funnier:
>
>> As far as I recall, there is absolutely no evidence supporting it."
>
>6 billion people?
>
>> Well, that's never stopped anyone before.
>
>Indeed, 6 billion people!!
[J] *snigger*
>> It is quite apparent that this sort of
>>dismissal was not appropriate in alt.fan - contrary to netiquette, I
>>guess one can say, because Fluffy soon got a reply from Richard Wentz:
>>"Sheesh. I just love your supportive and open and accepting ways", he
>>sneered. "Your methods /.../ is really inspiring. I hope I can be as
>>open to new ideas as you can" ("Re: Latra Posae and Nynaeve??",
>>8.12.1997). I sort of agree. Of course, this doesn't change the fact
>>that I thought the original idea - Nynaeve is Latra Posae reborn - was
>>also ridiculous. But at least one should try and find the humour in it
>>all.
>
>Hey, i like that idea.
[J] The humour value is undeniable. But I've got better ones.
>>Posting handles
>>
>>Anyone who has been to rasfwrj knows that they consider a poster's
>>name to be an integral part of netiquette. If you want to be taken
>>seriously, you should post under your real name. Or at least a name
>>that *could* be your real name. *grin*
>
>I never understood all of this. Why does it matter?
[J] I think that, according to this logic, a person who uses a
nickname is somehow dishonest, or afraid of standing by his argument.
What I've always wondered is, what's stopping anyone from making up a
name? I could go to rec.arts today and start a respectable posting
career under the name Maija Palokas, and who could say that's not my
real name?
>>:*) User is drunk."
>>
>>I'm looking at the Lush Club to start using this one. Is the Lush Club
>>still alive?
>
>What is the Lush Club?
[J] it was a club run a few years ago by Cass, kaptain and a few
others. Basically, they'd post every so often on the group and tell
each other how drunk they are.
*looks at sentence*
It was funny at the time.
>>These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
>>Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
>>agreed.
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>>Unfortunately, the time just wasn't right.
>
>Well, its ripe now.
[J] I'm going to compile a list.
>Great work once again.
[J] Thanks. *gets to work on the next one*
Chucky & Janica
<mor...@deadspam.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
>
>Yay! As good as ever.
[J] *grin* Thanks.
>> As was stated in the previous chapter, it is difficult to make
>> sweeping statements about what the group was like before the takeover,
>> because one has to cover several years and a multitude of posters.
>> This is also the problem with this chapter, which will deal with
>> netiquette.
>
>The reference for netiquette is RFC 1855 ("Netiquette guidelines") and makes
>quite an interesting read, when you compare it to what most people call
>netiquette (eg., cross-posting is encouraged). I'll quote the relevant parts
>of it for each section to inform and amuse (they'll be the indented parts of
>my reply - cut'n'paste is so much easier than retyping).
[J] Hey, thanks, that's cool - I didn't know such a manual actually
existed. All I know about netiquette is what the rec.artists tell me,
and for some reason I can never bring myself to actually listen to
them.
>> Snipping and attribution
>
> - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
> sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
> Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
> postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
> response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
> helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
>
>It doesn't say anything about attribution, except when forwarding mail.
>
>Attribution and snipping aren't, technically, required as the References
>line of your post shows which post you're replying to. They just make it
>easier for us poor humans.
[J] It's always amazed me how often people are willing to admit that
they have the attention span of a puppy. But then, sometimes giving
context is quite helpful. Imagine trying to understand Contro's posts
without the context. It's difficult enough *with* context.
>> A Fejes, for example, had the following advice: "Just so that you
>> know, there are groups devoted to the purpose of testing postings...
>> This isn't one." ("Re: test post - ignore it", 27.1.1997). Wouldn't it
>> have been easier to say, 'yeah, it worked'? It would have served the
>> exact same purpose. But what would I know?
>
>One good thing about using alt.test is the chance of getting an email from
>.GOD or .SATAN (they reply to one post every 6 hours). I've got a .GOD
>message somewhere.
[J] Well, the problem is, when I was first learning how to use
newsgroups, there was no helpful window that popped up as soon as I
opened the newsgroup programe that said, "test posts to alt.test!"
There really *should* be one of those.
>Theoretically, anyone new to Usenet should read news.announce.newusers. But
>you don't come to realise that until you're no longer a newbie..
[J] Exactly, that's the problem.
>> Some followers of netiquette insist that you should always lurk in a
>> group before posting. Nathan Dunning, for example, suggested that "2
>> weeks is a minimum, a month is better" ("Re: REPONSE PLEASE!!!!!",
>> 27.1.1999). The problem is, nobody tells you these things when you're
>> lurking. because they don't know you're there.
>
> - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
> you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
> the culture of the group.
[J] This is quite true - but then, some people can jump right into
AFRJ and be quite at home, and some people can lurk for years and
never quite get the hang of things.
>> Arguments
>
> - A good rule of thumb: Be conservative in what you send and
> liberal in what you receive. You should not send heated messages
> (we call these "flames") even if you are provoked. On the other
> hand, you shouldn't be surprised if you get flamed and it's
> prudent not to respond to flames.
[J] Heh. I shall look at flames in a later chapter.
> - Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
> to incendiary material.
[J] How dull.
>> Spelling
>
> - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
> wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
> messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
> or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
> as an immature beginner.
[J] *smile* Except, of course, if they're funny.
>> Questions
>>
>> The constant demand for netiquette tends to make people wary of what
>> they post, and next thing you know, people are asking stupid
>> questions, such as "Is it against Netiquette to paste links?" (from
>> Sallyroo, "Re: Mailing list", 26.9.1997). Wow, Squiggle, are you in
>> trouble or what.
>
> - If you ask a question, be sure to post a summary. When doing so,
> truly summarize rather than send a cumulation of the messages you
> receive.
[J] Hold on - so if you ask a question, you're also expected to make a
summary of all the answers you get? That's a bit odd.
>> Off-topic posting
>
> - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
> wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
> messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
> or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
> as an immature beginner.
[J] This is also very dull, I'm afraid.
>> Binaries
>>
>> It wasn't very common that people posted binaries to AFRJ, but when it
>> happened, there were usually objections. "Please refrain from posting
>> binaries to this newsgroup", Etherman snapped. "Unless of course it's
>> a pic of Birgitte nekked" ("Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", 5.3.1999). Yep, he
>> really said that.
>
>Some of us just go and create a new group..
[J] Quite so. But have you ever supplied pictures of 'Birgitte
nekked'? You should, maybe Etherman would join you.
>> These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
>> Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
>> agreed.
>
>IMO, it's a bit of overkill having so many smileys. I only ever use four
>shorthand ones ("midget", my arse).
>:) smile
>;) wink (usually lewd)
>:P poking out tongue
>:( frown
[J] But when have we ever cared about overkill? The 10-codes reached
10-212, last I checked. That's a lot of stupid sayings.
bruce
> Way back on Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:18:30 +1100, this dweeb called bruce
>>The reference for netiquette is RFC 1855 ("Netiquette guidelines") and makes
>>quite an interesting read, when you compare it to what most people call
>>netiquette (eg., cross-posting is encouraged). I'll quote the relevant parts
>>of it for each section to inform and amuse (they'll be the indented parts of
>>my reply - cut'n'paste is so much easier than retyping).
>
> [J] Hey, thanks, that's cool - I didn't know such a manual actually
> existed. All I know about netiquette is what the rec.artists tell me,
> and for some reason I can never bring myself to actually listen to
> them.
You can read the RFC at <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>. Before that
was published people referred to "Dear Emily Postnews", a satirical advice
column for posters. Find that at
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/emily-postnews/part1> (I just searched it
up - haven't actually read it for over 7 years..)
>>> Spelling
>>
>> - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
>> wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
>> messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
>> or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
>> as an immature beginner.
>
> [J] *smile* Except, of course, if they're funny.
Of course.
>>> Questions
>>>
>>> The constant demand for netiquette tends to make people wary of what
>>> they post, and next thing you know, people are asking stupid
>>> questions, such as "Is it against Netiquette to paste links?" (from
>>> Sallyroo, "Re: Mailing list", 26.9.1997). Wow, Squiggle, are you in
>>> trouble or what.
>>
>> - If you ask a question, be sure to post a summary. When doing so,
>> truly summarize rather than send a cumulation of the messages you
>> receive.
>
> [J] Hold on - so if you ask a question, you're also expected to make a
> summary of all the answers you get? That's a bit odd.
Yeah, it is a bit. It used to happen though. Still does with at least one
question (the CFV that precedes a big8 newsgroup's creation).
>>> Binaries
>>>
>>> It wasn't very common that people posted binaries to AFRJ, but when it
>>> happened, there were usually objections. "Please refrain from posting
>>> binaries to this newsgroup", Etherman snapped. "Unless of course it's
>>> a pic of Birgitte nekked" ("Re: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", 5.3.1999). Yep, he
>>> really said that.
>>
>>Some of us just go and create a new group..
>
> [J] Quite so. But have you ever supplied pictures of 'Birgitte
> nekked'? You should, maybe Etherman would join you.
I posted a bunch of pornos once, who I thought looked like various
characters. Can't recall if Birgitte was one of them or not.
>>> These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
>>> Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
>>> agreed.
>>
>>IMO, it's a bit of overkill having so many smileys. I only ever use four
>>shorthand ones ("midget", my arse).
>>:) smile
>>;) wink (usually lewd)
>>:P poking out tongue
>>:( frown
>
> [J] But when have we ever cared about overkill? The 10-codes reached
> 10-212, last I checked. That's a lot of stupid sayings.
True enough.
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Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> > The smiley being left-handed /is/ "a thing having only an imaginary
> > existence".
>
> Not to me - makes perfect sense.
>
> If a > can represent eyebrows, I'm willing to extend the usage to
> include a backwards smiley. Has nothing to do with the actuality of how
> left-handed people write.
Okay then, I will disprove it by demonstration.
I am left handed :)
> > I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified
>
> I have a Ph.D. from Sinistrous University, and I am more qualified than
> you.
Cretin.
> > to say that the myth upon which
> > the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>
> Or, most likely, non-existent. Who ever heard of left-handed people
> writing backwards[1]?
I have. Or, rather, I've heard of a survey to find out if left-handed
people would rather write right-to-left. They - we - did not.
But some people still believe we do. Hence, a myth.
> It's utter nonsense - we would be crippled in the world of our
> wrong-handed oppressors! You'd have to think backwards too, starting
> with the end of the line (if not the entire paragraph) and working
> backwards.
This is just drivel.
Infinity
long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> put on a beret and published the following
> dissertation:
>
> >Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> >mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> >to convey the following in binary:
> >
> >> > > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
> >> >
> >> > Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
> >>
> >> But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
> >> user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
> >> three characters.
> >
> >Origins are irrelevant.
>
> 10-76
10-5
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> You should focus your attention on definition #3. So you don't waste
> >> precious brain cells trying to decipher it, allow me to simplify: a
> >> myth is typically accepted without being judged as right or wrong.
> >> Otherwise it would be history, or just plain stupid.
> >
> >The smiley being left-handed /is/ "a thing having only an imaginary
> >existence".
> >
> >Origins are irrelevant. It's the interpretation which is based upon a
> >myth.
> >
> >I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
> >the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>
> It's a joke, you penis.
>
> Janica asks if you can take your pointless, annoying nit-picking the
> fuck out of her thread. Thank you.
I doubt she was that abusive in her request.
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> wrote in message news:<MPG.184320a0...@news.btopenworld.com>...
> > Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
> > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> > to convey the following in binary:
> >
> [snip]
> > I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
> > the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>
> You're not statistically relevant.
> There are always exceptions.
> [snip more]
The survey of which I heard a number of years ago indicated that the
myth was wrong.
Marek Mercury
dissertation:
>Marek Mercury (m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM) and a pack of six-foot-
>long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>> Infinity <n...@email.address> put on a beret and published the following
>> dissertation:
>>
>> >Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>> >mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>> >to convey the following in binary:
>> >
>> >> > > Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>> >> >
>> >> > Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
>> >>
>> >> But the origins of a smiley can be called myth, and it is up to the
>> >> user to see and comprehend the immense meaning contained in those
>> >> three characters.
>> >
>> >Origins are irrelevant.
>>
>> 10-76
>
>10-5
>
10-48
Marek Mercury
published the following dissertation:
>Way back on Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:35:36 GMT, this dweeb called
>m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>
>>>Chapter 4: Nature of pre-Takeover AFRJ, part 2
>>
>>Yay!!
>
>[J] My expectant fans keep my hopes up when I write. This part felt
>especially ... sticky, somehow.
I don't want to know. But no doubt others do.
>>> And when you're
>>>trying to read a 50-post thread, and starting from post three all you
>>>get on the screen is attribution lines, and half of the posts are from
>>>Contro anyway - well, I'm sure you won't hold it against me if I admit
>>>I've skipped most of that stuff.
>>
>>That sounds like sanity to me. Not very monkey like behaviour.
>
>[J] Ah, but monkeys have no attention span!
>
>Anyway, considering the file I have on Contro, I really don't need any
>more material.
Don't tell me you are doing an entire chapter on Contro. That *would*
cause insanity.
>>>Spelling
>>>
>>>Possibly the largest area of discussion concerning proper posting
>>>habits has been the issue of spelling.
>>
>>Of course, that doesn't happen anymore!
>>
>>*dripping*
>
>[J] Well, at least we're usually funny about it. *dark look* Usually.
hmmm yyeess.
>Anyway, I don't usually mind bad spelling. I will occasionally help
>Chucky make dictionary entries, but that's about it. The only time I
>will step in is if someone is making derogatory remarks about another
>poster, all the while spelling their derogatory remarks wrong. And
>I've taught Chucky to leave non-native posters alone most of the time.
Now if only another person around here could take hints. Well, hints
that are actually semi-trailors.
>>>Quite often, there have been people who are sticklers for proper
>>>spelling. "I'm sorry, I don't want to be an idiot, but please WATCH
>>>YOUR SPELLING! You don't know how hard it is to decode some words!!!"
>>>Ben McGeehan requested ("Spelling", 26.2.1997). He wouldn't have
>>>gotten on too well with Contro, who usually follows the theory that as
>>>long as the people reading him know English, they should know what he
>>>means. taladas was even more abrupt: "Also, have you ever heard of the
>>>ENGLISH language? sheesh!" ("Re: Different Ages...", 14.1.1999). Yes,
>>>I have. Have you heard that a sentence starts with a capital letter?
>>
>>I can see Infinicky punching the air at all this.
>
>[J] Regardless, I thought it was quite amusing that most of the people
>who I found quotes by, railing against bad spellers, managed to make
>at least one mistake in their post.
And it still occurs. Oh the humanity!
>>>worry was his spelling. Here's what Garrett was replying to: "i don't
>>>give a flying pigs poop about legalities or blood lines...there is no
>>>way in heck that Rand can be Elayne's half-sister..." Quite so. It
>>>would take one heck of a blood line to make Rand Elayne's sister.
>>
>>Not everyone would agree here.
>
>[J] Agree with what? I know some people suggest that Rand and Elayne
>are related, but surely Rand isn't Elayne's sister.
I don't remember. It doesn't make sense to me either. I must have
snipped the wrong bit.
Just ignore this bit, and we'll get back to normal programming soon.
>>> "1.) why dont you get a
>>>life...?" Ah yes, the single most popular insult on Usenet - because
>>>it doesn't matter who you say it to, you'll always be right.
>>
>>And thus one must be cautious in using it, because it can easily
>>become self-referential.
>
>[J] *grin* I know!If you don't have anything better to do than tell
>people they have no life, you probably don't have one either. That's
>why it's one of my favourite insults. It's so futile.
"Getting a life is futile"
"Telling people to get a life is futile"
Very Borg.
>>> "2.) you
>>>cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
>>>grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky*
>>
>>*and Infinicky*
>
>[J] But Chucky's funny.
How true. Thus it is no problem for him to continue. Whereas Infinity
could cease and desist, and we would all throw streamers.
>>> Mahnorak
>>>al'Tighron, in turn, suggested posters not write in all-caps, because
>>>"you look like an illiterate AOL using newbie stain....." ("Re:
>>>COMPAIR TERRY GOODKINK AND ROBERT JORDEN", 22.2.1999). *sigh* All that
>>>punctuation, and yet the sentence makes so little sense.
>>
>>Goodkink. As opposed to bad kink?
>>
>>*girly giggles*
>
>[J] I've never read any of his books, but I hear they aren't good
>kink.
"I met her in a bar down in North Soho..."
>>>Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
>>
>>I think you have a thing for this guy. Must be that suave trollyness.
>
>[J] Student, or Sastan, paved the way for the Takeover. He was the
>original troll.
>
>And hell, how can you not like a guy who's been gone for almost four
>years, and is still referred to as "S**tan" and "the most killfiled
>person ever" by the rec.artists?
Wow. They are still talking about him? That's impressive - that a
group of people can be so inbred and devoid of life they are still
talking about it. Speaking of not having lives.
>>>Unfortunately, just as things were looking up, Galt bailed out of the
>>>argument. "/.../ this weekend I wasn't at the computer because I was
>>>visiting my girlfriend. Also, I don't give a shit enough to reply to
>>>it now, due to the fact that she ditched me at the theatre yesterday,
>>>and now has the police looking for her, and the other boyfriend she
>>>apparantly was keeping secret from me." Ooh, finally something worth
>>>reading! "And, needless to say, I'm not in quite the mood to discuss
>>>this drivel any further. It's only marginally better than that 8
>>>fucking hour drive home. (As a peice of friendly advice, don't ever
>>>let yourself care or trust anyone. In my few experiences, it only
>>>leads to betrayal and pain)"
>>
>>hee hee
>>That had nothing to do with the och argument, but i'm glad you put it
>>in there. It made Galt och interesting.
>
>[J] Hee hee hee hee! I know! Of all the ways to bail out of an
>argument, this has to be the classiest ever!
Maybe i'll try that one day.
>>>"Maybe it is just me.....but I would think that if one had
>>>this poor a grasp on the English language, they would not get much out
>>>of a book series as complex as this!" ("Re: Asmodean death
>>>important?", 17.1.1999). Books get translated into many, many
>>>languages, Asha'man. Imagine that. Jean D ended the discussion with a
>>>long post on the subject, making the comment, "And, after all, you did
>>>understand his message, didn't you?" ("Re: Asmodean death important?",
>>>18.1.1999). And so, we're back to the Contro argument.
>>
>>hahaha
>>I don't think anyone has suggested Contro could be understood.
>
>[J] Nobody except Contro. He has consistently taken the view that
>other people should be able to tell what he means. Therefore, if he is
>arguing point 'a', and suddenly switches to point 'b', the opposing
>person should be able to follow his argument. If the opposing person
>also starts arguing 'b', he is in fact deliberately trying to confuse
>Contro, and should definitely have been able to tell what Contro meant
>in the first place, even if Contro himself isn't quite sure anymore.
huh?
>What a guy. No wonder we gave him the Immortal Party.
my brain is now numb
>>> It is quite apparent that this sort of
>>>dismissal was not appropriate in alt.fan - contrary to netiquette, I
>>>guess one can say, because Fluffy soon got a reply from Richard Wentz:
>>>"Sheesh. I just love your supportive and open and accepting ways", he
>>>sneered. "Your methods /.../ is really inspiring. I hope I can be as
>>>open to new ideas as you can" ("Re: Latra Posae and Nynaeve??",
>>>8.12.1997). I sort of agree. Of course, this doesn't change the fact
>>>that I thought the original idea - Nynaeve is Latra Posae reborn - was
>>>also ridiculous. But at least one should try and find the humour in it
>>>all.
>>
>>Hey, i like that idea.
>
>[J] The humour value is undeniable. But I've got better ones.
But it kinda makes sense. Both are irrationally stubborn, never
allowing a man to be right, even when the fate of the world is at
stake.
>>>Posting handles
>>>
>>>Anyone who has been to rasfwrj knows that they consider a poster's
>>>name to be an integral part of netiquette. If you want to be taken
>>>seriously, you should post under your real name. Or at least a name
>>>that *could* be your real name. *grin*
>>
>>I never understood all of this. Why does it matter?
>
>[J] I think that, according to this logic, a person who uses a
>nickname is somehow dishonest, or afraid of standing by his argument.
>What I've always wondered is, what's stopping anyone from making up a
>name? I could go to rec.arts today and start a respectable posting
>career under the name Maija Palokas, and who could say that's not my
>real name?
Exactly. Not that i have posted there often, but no-one has ever taken
issue with my name. I mean who would have a name like Marek Mercury?
>>>:*) User is drunk."
>>>
>>>I'm looking at the Lush Club to start using this one. Is the Lush Club
>>>still alive?
>>
>>What is the Lush Club?
>
>[J] it was a club run a few years ago by Cass, kaptain and a few
>others. Basically, they'd post every so often on the group and tell
>each other how drunk they are.
>
>*looks at sentence*
>
>It was funny at the time.
Oh no. Its still funny.
*charity laughter*
heh?
>>>These were all brilliant - brilliant, I say! "Use them wisely",
>>>Demandred suggested, and had I been there, by God, I would have
>>>agreed.
>>>
>>>*sigh*
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the time just wasn't right.
>>
>>Well, its ripe now.
>
>[J] I'm going to compile a list.
I have quite a few you didn't use. I'll post them some time.
>>Great work once again.
>
>[J] Thanks. *gets to work on the next one*
>
yay!
Aaron F. Bourque
>I am left handed :)
All this means is you are a contrary fuck.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; nothing wrong with that,
unless you're basing you're argument about generalities on your
specific penis-headedness.
--
Women supposedly mature at a faster rate than men
If that is true, how come they live so much longer then . . ?
Nothing says maturity like transforming robot toys for ten-year-olds
http://members.aol.com/aaronbourque/cryotekwarning.jpg
Ouriana Sedai et al
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque <aaronb...@aol.commandment> incriminated
himself by gibbering the following:
>All this means is you are a contrary fuck.
We knew he was a contrary fuck *before* he told us he was left handed.
Julie
--
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CMM Collective 9 of 6
"Impact is Irrelevant"
--
"You must have a bladder like Lake Erie. I think empires rose and fell in the
time it took you to pee". --Neil Gaiman, _American Gods_
naturelover
> Way back on 18 Nov 2002 05:18:44 -0800, this dweeb called
> nature...@netscape.net (naturelover) kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >That was really cool!
> >Way to go Janica!!
>
> [J] *smile* Thanks.
You're quite welcome.
>
> >We wants more.
>
> [J] I'm working on it. Next part will tell you once and for all who
> killed Asmodean.
>
> Several times.
>
He's dead?
I thought he's Lan in disguise (after Moirain's death I mean).
naturelover
> Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque <aaronb...@aol.commandment> incriminated
> himself by gibbering the following:
>
> >All this means is you are a contrary fuck.
>
> We knew he was a contrary fuck *before* he told us he was left handed.
Since I don't read all the threads I didn't understand why almost
everyone started to call him Infinicky.
Now I'm older and wiser.
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> >I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
>> >the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>>
>> It's a joke, you penis.
>>
>> Janica asks if you can take your pointless, annoying nit-picking the
>> fuck out of her thread. Thank you.
>
>I doubt she was that abusive in her request.
Oh, she was. She really, really was. I actually cleaned it up a bit.
Chucky & Janica
nature...@netscape.net (naturelover) kirjoitti viestissä:
>> >All this means is you are a contrary fuck.
>>
>> We knew he was a contrary fuck *before* he told us he was left handed.
>
>Since I don't read all the threads I didn't understand why almost
>everyone started to call him Infinicky.
>Now I'm older and wiser.
It's what he does.
I'm very proud of his new name.
Chucky & Janica
<mor...@deadspam.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>>> - If you ask a question, be sure to post a summary. When doing so,
>>> truly summarize rather than send a cumulation of the messages you
>>> receive.
>>
>> [J] Hold on - so if you ask a question, you're also expected to make a
>> summary of all the answers you get? That's a bit odd.
>
>Yeah, it is a bit. It used to happen though. Still does with at least one
>question (the CFV that precedes a big8 newsgroup's creation).
[J] Oh, but that's a call for votes, so I sort of understand that
you'd summarise that. I was thinking about the applicability of this
rule in, say, our group.
Chucky & Janica
nature...@netscape.net (naturelover) kirjoitti viestissä:
>> >We wants more.
>>
>> [J] I'm working on it. Next part will tell you once and for all who
>> killed Asmodean.
>>
>> Several times.
>
>He's dead?
>I thought he's Lan in disguise (after Moirain's death I mean).
[J] Well, he's not really dead, since Moridin actually took him, you
see.
Apply your own meaning of the word "took".
Chucky & Janica
m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>>[J] My expectant fans keep my hopes up when I write. This part felt
>>especially ... sticky, somehow.
>
>I don't want to know. But no doubt others do.
[J] Hey.
>>>That sounds like sanity to me. Not very monkey like behaviour.
>>
>>[J] Ah, but monkeys have no attention span!
>>
>>Anyway, considering the file I have on Contro, I really don't need any
>>more material.
>
>Don't tell me you are doing an entire chapter on Contro. That *would*
>cause insanity.
[J] Of course! Don't underestimate his importance for this group. He
did, after all, spawn the Party, and for that alone, he deserves a
place in the History.
>>Anyway, I don't usually mind bad spelling. I will occasionally help
>>Chucky make dictionary entries, but that's about it. The only time I
>>will step in is if someone is making derogatory remarks about another
>>poster, all the while spelling their derogatory remarks wrong. And
>>I've taught Chucky to leave non-native posters alone most of the time.
>
>Now if only another person around here could take hints. Well, hints
>that are actually semi-trailors.
[J] I think it might be the infamous attention span at work.
>>>And thus one must be cautious in using it, because it can easily
>>>become self-referential.
>>
>>[J] *grin* I know!If you don't have anything better to do than tell
>>people they have no life, you probably don't have one either. That's
>>why it's one of my favourite insults. It's so futile.
>
>"Getting a life is futile"
>"Telling people to get a life is futile"
>
>Very Borg.
[J] We are Borg. Except for some of us, who are Bourque.
>>>> "2.) you
>>>>cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
>>>>grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky*
>>>
>>>*and Infinicky*
>>
>>[J] But Chucky's funny.
>
>How true. Thus it is no problem for him to continue. Whereas Infinity
>could cease and desist, and we would all throw streamers.
[J] Or he could attempt to be funny. He's made a few rather successful
dictionary entries.
>>>>Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
>>>
>>>I think you have a thing for this guy. Must be that suave trollyness.
>>
>>[J] Student, or Sastan, paved the way for the Takeover. He was the
>>original troll.
>>
>>And hell, how can you not like a guy who's been gone for almost four
>>years, and is still referred to as "S**tan" and "the most killfiled
>>person ever" by the rec.artists?
>
>Wow. They are still talking about him? That's impressive - that a
>group of people can be so inbred and devoid of life they are still
>talking about it. Speaking of not having lives.
[J] He's the reason they still treat Australians with some
apprehension.
>>>hee hee
>>>That had nothing to do with the och argument, but i'm glad you put it
>>>in there. It made Galt och interesting.
>>
>>[J] Hee hee hee hee! I know! Of all the ways to bail out of an
>>argument, this has to be the classiest ever!
>
>Maybe i'll try that one day.
[J] You'll have a to wait a while, though, until posters have
forgotten about this History chapter.
A week should do it.
>>>I don't think anyone has suggested Contro could be understood.
>>
>>[J] Nobody except Contro. He has consistently taken the view that
>>other people should be able to tell what he means. Therefore, if he is
>>arguing point 'a', and suddenly switches to point 'b', the opposing
>>person should be able to follow his argument. If the opposing person
>>also starts arguing 'b', he is in fact deliberately trying to confuse
>>Contro, and should definitely have been able to tell what Contro meant
>>in the first place, even if Contro himself isn't quite sure anymore.
>
>huh?
[J] You'll see. Now do you understand why there must be a separate
chapter on Contro? Once I write it, it can serve as a guide to any new
poster foolhardy enough to try and tackle Contro.
>>>Hey, i like that idea.
>>
>>[J] The humour value is undeniable. But I've got better ones.
>
>But it kinda makes sense. Both are irrationally stubborn, never
>allowing a man to be right, even when the fate of the world is at
>stake.
[J] But Lews Therin screwed up. Sure, if the women had been there, the
scheme might have succeeded. But on the other hand, if the women had
been there, *both* halves of the Power might have become tainted.
>>[J] I think that, according to this logic, a person who uses a
>>nickname is somehow dishonest, or afraid of standing by his argument.
>>What I've always wondered is, what's stopping anyone from making up a
>>name? I could go to rec.arts today and start a respectable posting
>>career under the name Maija Palokas, and who could say that's not my
>>real name?
>
>Exactly. Not that i have posted there often, but no-one has ever taken
>issue with my name. I mean who would have a name like Marek Mercury?
[J] Freddie's younger brother?
>>[J] it was a club run a few years ago by Cass, kaptain and a few
>>others. Basically, they'd post every so often on the group and tell
>>each other how drunk they are.
>>
>>*looks at sentence*
>>
>>It was funny at the time.
>
>Oh no. Its still funny.
>
>*charity laughter*
>
>heh?
[J] Damn you.
Chucky & Janica
<F_1_m...@newsguy.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>>[J] You're not a seasoned AFRJer, yet. Give it a year or two, and
>>you'll find something to go "hur hur hur..." about in anything anybody
>>posts.
>
>Hur hur hur. You said 'posts.'
[J] *points to F_1, nodding approvingly*
This is how it works.
Infinity
foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
> >> I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
> >> left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
> >>
> >> Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
> >
> >Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
>
> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of incorrect and
> myth.
'your'
Learn to write sensibly.
> >> does not my my interpretation invalid.
> >
> >It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
> >type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
> >saying.
>
> It couldn't be that they might actually enjoy being left handed and might want
> to let people know by reversing their emoticon, could it?
It could be.
Infinity
foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >Date: 11/18/2002 1:27 PM Central Standard Time
> >to convey the following in binary:
>
>
> >> It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
> >> live with.
> >
> >I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
> >the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>
> one or two of them have been around many years longer than you have and are
> thus far more qualified.
Possibly, but I remember there was a survey done, which revealed that,
on the whole, left-handed people disagree with the possible truth of the
myth.
> "Donkey-raping shit-eater" would have been my choice.
We all know about your choices.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/21/2002 10:10 PM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
>foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>
>> >> I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
>> >> left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
>> >>
>> >> Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
>> >
>> >Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
>>
>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of incorrect
>and
>> myth.
>
>'your'
There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
>Learn to write sensibly.
Learn to not stick the rod up your ass so far that it causes your brain to
seize.
>> >> does not my my interpretation invalid.
>> >
>> >It is a common myth that left-handed people are naturally inclined to
>> >type backwards - or would be, if they had the option. That is what I was
>> >saying.
>>
>> It couldn't be that they might actually enjoy being left handed and might
>want
>> to let people know by reversing their emoticon, could it?
>
>It could be.
Oh.
The Vampire, "Muffin Man"
--
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/21/2002 10:15 PM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
>foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>> >From: Infinity n...@email.address
>> >Date: 11/18/2002 1:27 PM Central Standard Time
>>
>> >Uncle Traveling Matt (mat...@aol.com) and a pack of six-foot-long
>> >mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
>> >to convey the following in binary:
>>
>> >snip useless crap<
>>
>> >> It is not for you to judge. That is a fact you will have to learn to
>> >> live with.
>> >
>> >I'm left-handed. Hence, I am qualified to say that the myth upon which
>> >the interpretation is based is, in fact, wrong.
>>
>> I'm sure there are just one or two other left-handed people around. I'm
>sure
>> one or two of them have been around many years longer than you have and are
>> thus far more qualified.
>
>Possibly, but I remember there was a survey done, which revealed that,
>on the whole, left-handed people disagree with the possible truth of the
>myth.
No one asked me.
>> "Donkey-raping shit-eater" would have been my choice.
>
>We all know about your choices.
Yeah. They're funny.
Chucky & Janica
grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
viestissä:
>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
>>> incorrect and myth.
>>
>>'your'
>
>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
obviously.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/22/2002 11:00 AM Central Standard Time
>Way back on 22 Nov 2002 04:22:41 GMT, this dweeb called
>grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
>viestissä:
>
>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
>>>> incorrect and myth.
>>>
>>>'your'
>>
>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
>
>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
>
>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
>obviously.
I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations! Should have
been "off". Sorry I missed that. And yeah...quotes.
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> >> I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
> >> of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
> >
> >A tit? I would've used a stronger word, myself.
>
> "Donkey-raping shit-eater" would have been my choice.
You can't accidentally be a donkey-raping shit-eater. That's a definite
lifestyle choice one must make with adequate planning.
Matt
--
It's a breakdancing stripper emergency
Marek Mercury
published the following dissertation:
>Way back on Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:08:49 GMT, this dweeb called
>m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>
>>>>That sounds like sanity to me. Not very monkey like behaviour.
>>>
>>>[J] Ah, but monkeys have no attention span!
>>>
>>>Anyway, considering the file I have on Contro, I really don't need any
>>>more material.
>>
>>Don't tell me you are doing an entire chapter on Contro. That *would*
>>cause insanity.
>
>[J] Of course! Don't underestimate his importance for this group. He
>did, after all, spawn the Party, and for that alone, he deserves a
>place in the History.
But all at once? Wouldn't it be better to do it in bits. Otherwise
there will surely be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>>>Anyway, I don't usually mind bad spelling. I will occasionally help
>>>Chucky make dictionary entries, but that's about it. The only time I
>>>will step in is if someone is making derogatory remarks about another
>>>poster, all the while spelling their derogatory remarks wrong. And
>>>I've taught Chucky to leave non-native posters alone most of the time.
>>
>>Now if only another person around here could take hints. Well, hints
>>that are actually semi-trailors.
>
>[J] I think it might be the infamous attention span at work.
Sorry? What were we talking about?
>>>>And thus one must be cautious in using it, because it can easily
>>>>become self-referential.
>>>
>>>[J] *grin* I know!If you don't have anything better to do than tell
>>>people they have no life, you probably don't have one either. That's
>>>why it's one of my favourite insults. It's so futile.
>>
>>"Getting a life is futile"
>>"Telling people to get a life is futile"
>>
>>Very Borg.
>
>[J] We are Borg. Except for some of us, who are Bourque.
Or Baroque
>>>>> "2.) you
>>>>>cant possibly have nothing to do besides sit and read newsgroups for
>>>>>grammatikal errors... can you..?" *glances at Chucky*
>>>>
>>>>*and Infinicky*
>>>
>>>[J] But Chucky's funny.
>>
>>How true. Thus it is no problem for him to continue. Whereas Infinity
>>could cease and desist, and we would all throw streamers.
>
>[J] Or he could attempt to be funny. He's made a few rather successful
>dictionary entries.
I agree with that. But when you can't think of an entry, its better to
leave it. And you can't do much with 'you' instead of 'your'.
Ah, forget it. Infinity gives me the shits, and any kind of argument
to justify this is futile. There we are, back at Borg again. This is
starting to feel like "Who's on first"
>>>>>Student made a name for himself for refusing to capitalise his posts,
>>>>
>>>>I think you have a thing for this guy. Must be that suave trollyness.
>>>
>>>[J] Student, or Sastan, paved the way for the Takeover. He was the
>>>original troll.
>>>
>>>And hell, how can you not like a guy who's been gone for almost four
>>>years, and is still referred to as "S**tan" and "the most killfiled
>>>person ever" by the rec.artists?
>>
>>Wow. They are still talking about him? That's impressive - that a
>>group of people can be so inbred and devoid of life they are still
>>talking about it. Speaking of not having lives.
>
>[J] He's the reason they still treat Australians with some
>apprehension.
Hmmm. Yes. Intelligent. Open minded. Judging each situation on its
merits. No prejudice whatsoever. Very admirable.
>>>>hee hee
>>>>That had nothing to do with the och argument, but i'm glad you put it
>>>>in there. It made Galt och interesting.
>>>
>>>[J] Hee hee hee hee! I know! Of all the ways to bail out of an
>>>argument, this has to be the classiest ever!
>>
>>Maybe i'll try that one day.
>
>[J] You'll have a to wait a while, though, until posters have
>forgotten about this History chapter.
>
>A week should do it.
A week should do what?
=)
>>>>I don't think anyone has suggested Contro could be understood.
>>>
>>>[J] Nobody except Contro. He has consistently taken the view that
>>>other people should be able to tell what he means. Therefore, if he is
>>>arguing point 'a', and suddenly switches to point 'b', the opposing
>>>person should be able to follow his argument. If the opposing person
>>>also starts arguing 'b', he is in fact deliberately trying to confuse
>>>Contro, and should definitely have been able to tell what Contro meant
>>>in the first place, even if Contro himself isn't quite sure anymore.
>>
>>huh?
>
>[J] You'll see. Now do you understand why there must be a separate
>chapter on Contro?
nnnoooooooooooooo!
*puts on radiation goggles*
Ok, you can start now that my mind won't melt.
> Once I write it, it can serve as a guide to any new
>poster foolhardy enough to try and tackle Contro.
But its always so much fun to watch. Or even be a part of.
>>>>Hey, i like that idea.
>>>
>>>[J] The humour value is undeniable. But I've got better ones.
>>
>>But it kinda makes sense. Both are irrationally stubborn, never
>>allowing a man to be right, even when the fate of the world is at
>>stake.
>
>[J] But Lews Therin screwed up. Sure, if the women had been there, the
>scheme might have succeeded. But on the other hand, if the women had
>been there, *both* halves of the Power might have become tainted.
Lets not bring reason into this. They were stupid arms-under-breasts
folding nose-sniffing women who wouldn't know how to save the world if
it was presented to them as a new fashion from Ebou Dar.
*furrows brow*
Ok, that was a little over the top.
>>>[J] I think that, according to this logic, a person who uses a
>>>nickname is somehow dishonest, or afraid of standing by his argument.
>>>What I've always wondered is, what's stopping anyone from making up a
>>>name? I could go to rec.arts today and start a respectable posting
>>>career under the name Maija Palokas, and who could say that's not my
>>>real name?
>>
>>Exactly. Not that i have posted there often, but no-one has ever taken
>>issue with my name. I mean who would have a name like Marek Mercury?
>
>[J] Freddie's younger brother?
How did you guess?
My real name is Makera Bulsara, and i can use my teeth to open baked
bean cans.
>>>[J] it was a club run a few years ago by Cass, kaptain and a few
>>>others. Basically, they'd post every so often on the group and tell
>>>each other how drunk they are.
>>>
>>>*looks at sentence*
>>>
>>>It was funny at the time.
>>
>>Oh no. Its still funny.
>>
>>*charity laughter*
>>
>>heh?
>
>[J] Damn you.
What? I was laughing at the hilarious insanity.
*laughs usenet style*
Chucky & Janica
grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
viestissä:
>>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
>>>>> incorrect and myth.
>>>>
>>>>'your'
>>>
>>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
>>
>>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
>>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
>>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
>>
>>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
>>obviously.
>
>I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
Chucky & Janica
m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>>[J] Of course! Don't underestimate his importance for this group. He
>>did, after all, spawn the Party, and for that alone, he deserves a
>>place in the History.
>
>But all at once? Wouldn't it be better to do it in bits. Otherwise
>there will surely be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[J] Hey, we regulars have had to put up with him for years. We're
hardened. You relatively new people need to build up an immunity for
when he gets back.
[C] Heh. Hardened.
>>[J] Or he could attempt to be funny. He's made a few rather successful
>>dictionary entries.
>
>I agree with that. But when you can't think of an entry, its better to
>leave it. And you can't do much with 'you' instead of 'your'.
[J] True, although I have some nice examples in my archives. The
'literary' character Yoru was spawned by a mis-spelling of 'your', and
there's a beautiful case where Chucky almost gets Contro angry by
picking on 'its', 'it's', and similar apostrophe-based mistakes.
>>[J] He's the reason they still treat Australians with some
>>apprehension.
>
>Hmmm. Yes. Intelligent. Open minded. Judging each situation on its
>merits. No prejudice whatsoever. Very admirable.
[J] *grin* I have a nice comment by one of the old regulars from over
there. Debs commented that there was no way she would ever be
accepted, since she posted in afrj. He admitted that this was true,
saying it was something she had to live with - and actually made it
out to be a good thing.
>>[J] You'll have a to wait a while, though, until posters have
>>forgotten about this History chapter.
>>
>>A week should do it.
>
>A week should do what?
[C] Partial credit.
>>[J] But Lews Therin screwed up. Sure, if the women had been there, the
>>scheme might have succeeded. But on the other hand, if the women had
>>been there, *both* halves of the Power might have become tainted.
>
>Lets not bring reason into this. They were stupid arms-under-breasts
>folding nose-sniffing women who wouldn't know how to save the world if
>it was presented to them as a new fashion from Ebou Dar.
>
>*furrows brow*
>
>Ok, that was a little over the top.
[J] Indeed, although I have no doubt that this was, essentially, the
picture Jordan wanted to give. It just amuses me that nobody has ever
thought of my alternative.
Marek Mercury
published the following dissertation:
>Way back on Sat, 23 Nov 2002 05:15:32 GMT, this dweeb called
>m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>
>>>[J] Of course! Don't underestimate his importance for this group. He
>>>did, after all, spawn the Party, and for that alone, he deserves a
>>>place in the History.
>>
>>But all at once? Wouldn't it be better to do it in bits. Otherwise
>>there will surely be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
>
>[J] Hey, we regulars have had to put up with him for years. We're
>hardened. You relatively new people need to build up an immunity for
>when he gets back.
*stands in front of pitching machine, Happy Gilmore style*
>>> Sure, if the women had been there, the
>>>scheme might have succeeded. But on the other hand, if the women had
>>>been there, *both* halves of the Power might have become tainted.
>>
>>Lets not bring reason into this. They were stupid arms-under-breasts
>>folding nose-sniffing women who wouldn't know how to save the world if
>>it was presented to them as a new fashion from Ebou Dar.
>>
>[J] Indeed, although I have no doubt that this was, essentially, the
>picture Jordan wanted to give. It just amuses me that nobody has ever
>thought of my alternative.
Now i'm curious. But i assume that was all part of your dastardly
plan.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 11/22/2002 10:44 PM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man wrote:
>>
>
>> >> I'm not the one defending a position, and I know when I am talking out
>> >> of my ass. And I'm intentionally being a tit.
>> >
>> >A tit? I would've used a stronger word, myself.
>>
>> "Donkey-raping shit-eater" would have been my choice.
>
>You can't accidentally be a donkey-raping shit-eater. That's a definite
>lifestyle choice one must make with adequate planning.
You've never been around a farm, have you?
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Way back on 22 Nov 2002 22:05:43 GMT, this dweeb called
>grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
>viestissä:
>
>>>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
>>>>>> incorrect and myth.
>>>>>
>>>>>'your'
>>>>
>>>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
>>>
>>>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
>>>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
>>>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
>>>
>>>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
>>>obviously.
>>
>>I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
>
>Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
"Matt was referring to your pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'.", obviously...
>Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
Bite my third option.
>But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
>and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
He needs to pick something other than his ass, I guess.
Chucky & Janica
grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
viestissä:
>>Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
>
>"Matt was referring to your pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'.", obviously...
Oh. But either of these two options are (conversationally) correct.
Infinicky is pretty much full of shit, which is why he never replies
to main points. Only little ones.
>>Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
>
>Bite my third option.
I might need my cheeks sliced.
Not those cheeks! Clyde will hire an interior decorator for those.
Chucky & Janica
m.me...@eudoramail.comNOSPAM (Marek Mercury) kirjoitti viestissä:
>>>Lets not bring reason into this. They were stupid arms-under-breasts
>>>folding nose-sniffing women who wouldn't know how to save the world if
>>>it was presented to them as a new fashion from Ebou Dar.
>>>
>>[J] Indeed, although I have no doubt that this was, essentially, the
>>picture Jordan wanted to give. It just amuses me that nobody has ever
>>thought of my alternative.
>
>Now i'm curious. But i assume that was all part of your dastardly
>plan.
[J] Oh, no plan. It's just this nagging thought that Latra Posae is by
no means the reason for why the Bore is improperly sealed, but more a
reason for why only half of the One Power is Tainted.
But like I said, this probably isn't Jordan's intent.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Way back on 26 Nov 2002 02:33:27 GMT, this dweeb called
>grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
>viestissä:
>
>>>Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
>>
>>"Matt was referring to your pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'.",
>obviously...
>
>Oh. But either of these two options are (conversationally) correct.
>Infinicky is pretty much full of shit, which is why he never replies
>to main points. Only little ones.
Funny... c shows up and Infinicky disappears... Hmmm...
>>>Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
>>
>>Bite my third option.
>
>I might need my cheeks sliced.
>
>Not those cheeks! Clyde will hire an interior decorator for those.
I'm sure his home needs it.
Chucky & Janica
grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
viestissä:
>>Oh. But either of these two options are (conversationally) correct.
>>Infinicky is pretty much full of shit, which is why he never replies
>>to main points. Only little ones.
>
>Funny... c shows up and Infinicky disappears... Hmmm...
"Coincidence? I think not!"
>>>>Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
>>>
>>>Bite my third option.
>>
>>I might need my cheeks sliced.
>>
>>Not those cheeks! Clyde will hire an interior decorator for those.
>
>I'm sure his home needs it.
It's a (har har) dump.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Way back on 30 Nov 2002 03:50:06 GMT, this dweeb called
>grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
>viestissä:
>
>>>Oh. But either of these two options are (conversationally) correct.
>>>Infinicky is pretty much full of shit, which is why he never replies
>>>to main points. Only little ones.
>>
>>Funny... c shows up and Infinicky disappears... Hmmm...
>
>"Coincidence? I think not!"
Stop making fun of my coins.
>>>>>Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
>>>>
>>>>Bite my third option.
>>>
>>>I might need my cheeks sliced.
>>>
>>>Not those cheeks! Clyde will hire an interior decorator for those.
>>
>>I'm sure his home needs it.
>
>It's a (har har) dump.
Fuck that. It's a damned shit-hole.
Infinity
foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of incorrect
> >and
> >> myth.
> >
> >'your'
>
> There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
There is.
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
> viestissä:
>
> >>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
> >>>>> incorrect and myth.
> >>>>
> >>>>'your'
> >>>
> >>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
> >>
> >>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
> >>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
> >>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
> >>
> >>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
> >>obviously.
> >
> >I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
>
> Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
>
> Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
>
> But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
> and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
The moral of the story is: If you reckon you have something I can't
argue with, be sure to type it properly ;)
Infinity
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >Date: 11/24/2002 3:22 PM Central Standard Time
>
> >Way back on 22 Nov 2002 22:05:43 GMT, this dweeb called
> >grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
> >viestissä:
> >
> >>>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
> >>>>>> incorrect and myth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>'your'
> >>>>
> >>>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
> >>>
> >>>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
> >>>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
> >>>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
> >>>
> >>>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
> >>>obviously.
> >>
> >>I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
> >
> >Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
>
> "Matt was referring to your pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'.", obviously...
Ah, so it /should/ have been "your"? Like I said?
Infinity
foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >>>Not those cheeks! Clyde will hire an interior decorator for those.
> >>
> >>I'm sure his home needs it.
> >
> >It's a (har har) dump.
>
> Fuck that. It's a damned shit-hole.
LoL
Infinity
foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >Possibly, but I remember there was a survey done, which revealed that,
> >on the whole, left-handed people disagree with the possible truth of the
> >myth.
>
> No one asked me.
No-one cared what you thought, see?
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> <MPG.1847be9b6...@news.btopenworld.com>, made the following
> shapes:
> > The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
> > foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
> > attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >
> > > >> I can interpret that smiley in any way I want, whether it be as "user is
> > > >> left handed" or "dyslexic is user."
> > > >>
> > > >> Calling it an incorrect myth (whatever that means)
> > > >
> > > >Your ignorance is not my problem. Go find a dictionary.
> > >
> > > Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of incorrect and
> > > myth.
> >
> > 'your'
> >
> > Learn to write sensibly.
>
Wrong.
> It just needs a coma after it.
A coma, eh?
> If you know shit about English, do not correct people.
*cough cough* You are Greek. You admit you don't know English very well.
I, on the other hand, am English; and also happen to know English quite
well.
Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing? If you corrected my
Greek (assuming I happened to speak it), would you expect /me/ to argue?
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
>> and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
>
>The moral of the story is: If you reckon you have something I can't
>argue with, be sure to type it properly ;)
And this doesn't embarrass you?
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing? If you corrected my
>Greek (assuming I happened to speak it), would you expect /me/ to argue?
YES.
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> shapes:
> > Chucky & Janica (janica....@pp.inet.fi) and a pack of six-foot-long
> > mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> > to convey the following in binary:
> > > Way back on 22 Nov 2002 22:05:43 GMT, this dweeb called
> > > grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
> > > viestissä:
> > >
> > > >>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
> > > >>>>> incorrect and myth.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>'your'
> > > >>>
> > > >>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
> > > >>
> > > >>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
> > > >>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
> > > >>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
> > > >>
> > > >>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
> > > >>obviously.
> > > >
> > > >I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
> > >
> > > Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
> > >
> > > Now I get it. I didn't think of the third option.
> > >
> > > But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
> > > and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
> >
> > The moral of the story is: If you reckon you have something I can't
> > argue with, be sure to type it properly ;)
>
Certainly.
--
Infinity.
----------------------------------------
If you reckon you have something I can't
argue with, be sure to type it properly.
----------------------------------------
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
> >> and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
> >
> >The moral of the story is: If you reckon you have something I can't
> >argue with, be sure to type it properly ;)
>
> And this doesn't embarrass you?
Not really. See, no fucker in this NG gives a flying arsehole about
facts or logic anyway - 'cept Marek, *grin* - preferring instead to do
one of the following during a debate:
1) Be sarcy.
2) Be insulting.
3) Repeat the same thing over and over again, despite it being
bullshit.
So I give up trying to hold debates here. I shall instead spend most of
my time calling people cunts. Yes, I have reached level two.
Cunt.
--
Infinity.
----------------------------------------
If you reckon you have something I can't
argue with, be sure to type it properly.
----------------------------------------
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> > > > Learn to write sensibly.
> > >
> > > It is "you".
> >
> > Wrong.
>
> Nope.
*sigh*
I give up.
> > > It just needs a coma after it.
> >
> > A coma, eh?
>
> Aye. As in ','. (The bit between the quotes)
That's a "comma" you camel-humping, frog-tickling, sperm-perming goat-
bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > If you know shit about English, do not correct people.
> >
> > *cough cough* You are Greek.
>
> And I still saw you were wrong in your native language.
Correction: You still *believed* I was wrong in my native language.
Would you like me to argue with you about *your* language, claiming I
know more about it than you do, despite evidence to the contrary, Mister
Coma?
> > You admit you don't know English very well.
>
> Aye, but 10000 themes in English come from Greek. And English syntax is
> easy.
Yet you still fuck it up. Frequently. And then *argue* with me about it.
That's what pisses me off.
Making a mistake in a non-native language is fair enough, but to ARGUE
with me about it after I correct you; *that* is just taking the piss.
> > I, on the other hand, am English; and also happen to know English quite
> > well.
>
> Well, maybe you weren't thinking when you tried to 'correct' Matt.
I can't even fucking remember what he said now.
> > Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing?
>
> Cause you are usually "correcting" things that have nothing wrong in them
> :)
Occasionally, perhaps. Not fucking USUALLY.
> > would you expect /me/ to argue?
>
> You didn't correct me. You corrected Matt. And your correction was wrong.
Nope.
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing? If you corrected my
> >Greek (assuming I happened to speak it), would you expect /me/ to argue?
>
> YES.
I guess it depends how good I was at Greek. I mean, it's no secret that
half the fuckers living in England can't speak their own language.
Given this fact, it should be obvious that it's *possible* for someone
who isn't English to know the language better than someone who is.
Hence, if I figured I knew enough about Greek, I--- why am I even
bothering? You don't give a fuck *what* I'm saying. You're just going to
snip out my entire paragraph in any case, and make a sarcastic remark,
so what's the point in saying anything at all?
Especially as I'm supposed to be revising for three exams next week; and
one the following week. Six hundred and fifty-seven unread messages my
left testicle.
cyberwollf
"Infinity" <n...@email.address> wrote in message
news:MPG.185770aa...@news.btopenworld.com...
> Chucky & Janica (janica....@pp.inet.fi) and a pack of six-foot-long
> mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
> to convey the following in binary:
> > Way back on Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC), this dweeb called
> > Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
> >
> > >> But there was something wrong with your sentence. It was still right
> > >> and Infinicky couldn't argue it, which is why he picked on the typo.
> > >
> > >The moral of the story is: If you reckon you have something I can't
> > >argue with, be sure to type it properly ;)
> >
> > And this doesn't embarrass you?
>
> Not really. See, no fucker in this NG gives a flying arsehole about
> facts or logic anyway - 'cept Marek, *grin* - preferring instead to do
> one of the following during a debate:
>
> 1) Be sarcy.
> 2) Be insulting.
> 3) Repeat the same thing over and over again, despite it being
> bullshit.
>
> So I give up trying to hold debates here. I shall instead spend most of
> my time calling people cunts. Yes, I have reached level two.
>
> Cunt.
>
*hands award*
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 12/2/2002 7:48 PM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
>foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>
>> >Possibly, but I remember there was a survey done, which revealed that,
>> >on the whole, left-handed people disagree with the possible truth of the
>> >myth.
>>
>> No one asked me.
>
>No-one cared what you thought, see?
I was looking in your mirror, dumbass.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 12/2/2002 7:45 PM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
>foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>> >From: janica....@pp.inet.fi (Chucky & Janica)
>> >Date: 11/24/2002 3:22 PM Central Standard Time
>>
>> >Way back on 22 Nov 2002 22:05:43 GMT, this dweeb called
>> >grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV (The Vampire Muffin Man) kirjoitti
>> >viestissä:
>> >
>> >>>>>> Learn to write sensibly. Matt was referring to you pairing of
>> >>>>>> incorrect and myth.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>'your'
>> >>>>
>> >>>>There is nothing wrong with my sentence.
>> >>>
>> >>>Yes there is, Vamps. Either you said "you" instead of "your", or you
>> >>>have an "of" in there that shouldn't be there. Also, ideally,
>> >>>"incorrect" and "myth" should have been in quotations.
>> >>>
>> >>>But your point was still correct. And Infinicky couldn't reply to it,
>> >>>obviously.
>> >>
>> >>I fucking forgot a fucking "f' for fuck's fruitless fibrillations!
>> >
>> >Ahh. "Matt was referring to you pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'."
>>
>> "Matt was referring to your pairing off 'incorrect' and 'myth'.",
>obviously...
>
>Ah, so it /should/ have been "your"? Like I said?
Actually, no. You see, I don't give a fuck and put no effort beyond a fraction
of a minute in reply to you. Obviously, in that sentence, you would work just
as well. In fact, it's more correct. So go play with that stick some more.
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> >Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing? If you corrected my
>> >Greek (assuming I happened to speak it), would you expect /me/ to argue?
>>
>> YES.
>
>I guess it depends how good I was at Greek. I mean, it's no secret that
>half the fuckers living in England can't speak their own language.
So why should we believe these people are the Guardians of the True
English Language? I say give it back to the Greeks.
>Given this fact, it should be obvious that it's *possible* for someone
>who isn't English to know the language better than someone who is.
>Hence, if I figured I knew enough about Greek, I
Go on. I was saying that, given what I know about your (for want of a
less colourful term) personality, you would most likely try to
nit-pick and argue with Org about the finer points of Greek if you
knew the slightest thing about it.
You did ask. So what's with the reply?
>--- why am I even
>bothering? You don't give a fuck *what* I'm saying.
Not usually. Most of the time the things you say are utter shit.
>You're just going to
>snip out my entire paragraph in any case, and make a sarcastic remark,
>so what's the point in saying anything at all?
I agree. One of these days you might say something worthwhile, though.
I think you have potential. And this is extremely fun for me.
>Especially as I'm supposed to be revising for three exams next week; and
>one the following week. Six hundred and fifty-seven unread messages my
>left testicle.
Well, there would probably be a lot less if you didn't try to argue
with *everybody* about *everything*.
(given that the value for "everything" is in fact "everything of less
importance than the scores of that curling match that was on BBC World
last night" and the value for "everybody" is "everybody who says
something on afrj with which I would like to state an opinion but,
lacking the loquacity and social grace, I shall nit-pick instead.")
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>Not really. See, no fucker in this NG gives a flying arsehole about
>facts or logic anyway - 'cept Marek, *grin* - preferring instead to do
>one of the following during a debate:
>
> 1) Be sarcy.
> 2) Be insulting.
> 3) Repeat the same thing over and over again, despite it being
>bullshit.
>
>So I give up trying to hold debates here. I shall instead spend most of
>my time calling people cunts. Yes, I have reached level two.
So why haven't you replied to any of Janica's points?
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> Well, maybe you weren't thinking when you tried to 'correct' Matt.
>
>I can't even fucking remember what he said now.
<snip>
>> You didn't correct me. You corrected Matt. And your correction was wrong.
>
>Nope.
[J] Tell me, Infinity, if you can't 'fucking remember' what Matt said
in the first place, then how can you be sure your correction wasn't
wrong?
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >Not really. See, no fucker in this NG gives a flying arsehole about
> >facts or logic anyway - 'cept Marek, *grin* - preferring instead to do
> >one of the following during a debate:
> >
> > 1) Be sarcy.
> > 2) Be insulting.
> > 3) Repeat the same thing over and over again, despite it being
> >bullshit.
> >
> >So I give up trying to hold debates here. I shall instead spend most of
> >my time calling people cunts. Yes, I have reached level two.
>
> So why haven't you replied to any of Janica's points?
Because I don't particularly want to call her a cunt. I have no quarrel
with her - mainly because she hasn't insulted me. Yet.
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> >Hence, when corrected, why do you bother arguing? If you corrected my
> >> >Greek (assuming I happened to speak it), would you expect /me/ to argue?
> >>
> >> YES.
> >
> >I guess it depends how good I was at Greek. I mean, it's no secret that
> >half the fuckers living in England can't speak their own language.
>
> So why should we believe these people are the Guardians of the True
> English Language? I say give it back to the Greeks.
ENG-LISH: The language of England.
I'm sorry, what was your question again?
Besides, I wasn't suggesting that uneducated, illiterate fuckwits be in
charge of the language. I'm suggesting that those of us [English people]
who know what the fuck an adjective is should be.
> >Given this fact, it should be obvious that it's *possible* for someone
> >who isn't English to know the language better than someone who is.
> >Hence, if I figured I knew enough about Greek, I
>
> Go on. I was saying that, given what I know about your (for want of a
> less colourful term) personality, you would most likely try to
> nit-pick and argue with Org about the finer points of Greek if you
> knew the slightest thing about it.
Not if I didn't know very much about it.
> >You're just going to
> >snip out my entire paragraph in any case, and make a sarcastic remark,
> >so what's the point in saying anything at all?
>
> I agree. One of these days you might say something worthwhile, though.
> I think you have potential. And this is extremely fun for me.
No doubt.
> >Especially as I'm supposed to be revising for three exams next week; and
> >one the following week. Six hundred and fifty-seven unread messages my
> >left testicle.
>
> Well, there would probably be a lot less if you didn't try to argue
> with *everybody* about *everything*.
But I enjoy it.
Infinity
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> Well, maybe you weren't thinking when you tried to 'correct' Matt.
> >
> >I can't even fucking remember what he said now.
>
> <snip>
>
> >> You didn't correct me. You corrected Matt. And your correction was wrong.
> >
> >Nope.
>
> [J] Tell me, Infinity, if you can't 'fucking remember' what Matt said
> in the first place, then how can you be sure your correction wasn't
> wrong?
Coz I tied a knot in my handkerchief to remind me.
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> [J] Tell me, Infinity, if you can't 'fucking remember' what Matt said
>> in the first place, then how can you be sure your correction wasn't
>> wrong?
>
>Coz I tied a knot in my handkerchief to remind me.
[J] How insightful.
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> So why should we believe these people are the Guardians of the True
>> English Language? I say give it back to the Greeks.
>
>ENG-LISH: The language of England.
This came from Germany. You know that, right?
>I'm sorry, what was your question again?
If the English language is a mass of other countries' words and
phrases, why should British English be the definitive version just
because it's the most pompous?
>Besides, I wasn't suggesting that uneducated, illiterate fuckwits be in
>charge of the language. I'm suggesting that those of us [English people]
>who know what the fuck an adjective is should be.
Is that all it takes? I say we hand it over to Australia. We can have
British English, American English, and English. As spoken in
Australia.
>> Go on. I was saying that, given what I know about your (for want of a
>> less colourful term) personality, you would most likely try to
>> nit-pick and argue with Org about the finer points of Greek if you
>> knew the slightest thing about it.
>
>Not if I didn't know very much about it.
Nah. You would. *nudges with elbow* Wouldn't you?
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> So why haven't you replied to any of Janica's points?
>
>Because I don't particularly want to call her a cunt. I have no quarrel
>with her - mainly because she hasn't insulted me. Yet.
[J] So what you're saying is, you're unable to conduct an argument
without calling your opponent a cunt?
[C] And you have no quarrel with her because she's saying things you
can't dispute without being insulted by the fact that she's making you
look like a twit?
Pete Zahut
>
> Way back on Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:29:57 +0000 (UTC), this dweeb called
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> So why haven't you replied to any of Janica's points?
> >
> >Because I don't particularly want to call her a cunt. I have no quarrel
> >with her - mainly because she hasn't insulted me. Yet.
>
> [J] So what you're saying is, you're unable to conduct an argument
> without calling your opponent a cunt?
>
> [C] And you have no quarrel with her because she's saying things you
> can't dispute without being insulted by the fact that she's making you
> look like a twit?
He's doing a damn good job all by himself.
Hoobit J Cahkov
>
> Way back on Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:59:54 +0000 (UTC), this dweeb called
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> Well, maybe you weren't thinking when you tried to 'correct' Matt.
> >
> >I can't even fucking remember what he said now.
>
> <snip>
>
> >> You didn't correct me. You corrected Matt. And your correction was wrong.
> >
> >Nope.
>
> [J] Tell me, Infinity, if you can't 'fucking remember' what Matt said
> in the first place, then how can you be sure your correction wasn't
> wrong?
He said something about an "incorrect myth," which is a statement of
dubious validity. And he assigned it to an emoticon, which can be read
in the fashion of the reader's choosing - there is no dictated standard.
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> So why should we believe these people are the Guardians of the True
> >> English Language? I say give it back to the Greeks.
> >
> >ENG-LISH: The language of England.
>
> This came from Germany. You know that, right?
What did, precisely?
> >I'm sorry, what was your question again?
>
> If the English language is a mass of other countries' words and
> phrases, why should British English be the definitive version just
> because it's the most pompous?
It's ENGLISH. Hence, it's ENGLISH. Hence, it's fucking ENGLISH. Hence,
it's NOT FUCKING AMERICAN.
> >Besides, I wasn't suggesting that uneducated, illiterate fuckwits be in
> >charge of the language. I'm suggesting that those of us [English people]
> >who know what the fuck an adjective is should be.
>
> Is that all it takes? I say we hand it over to Australia. We can have
> British English, American English, and English. As spoken in
> Australia.
*sigh* you still don't get it, do you? Do you? DO YOU!!!?!??????
The word "english", means "the language spoken in England". Hence,
anything spoken, taught and generically a language /of/ England is
fundamentally more valid as "English" than anything which isn't.
America is half the fucking PLANET away. It's nowhere NEAR England. If
it wants a language which DIFFERS from ours, it can CALL IT SOMETHING
ELSE.
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> So why haven't you replied to any of Janica's points?
> >
> >Because I don't particularly want to call her a cunt. I have no quarrel
> >with her - mainly because she hasn't insulted me. Yet.
>
> [J] So what you're saying is, you're unable to conduct an argument
> without calling your opponent a cunt?
It's my new tactic for staying alive in this NG. Rational debate doesn't
work - I just end up being called a cunt. So, if you can't beat 'em...
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 12/6/2002 8:25 PM Central Standard Time
I see you have issues with geography as well.
Infinity
attempt to convey the following in binary:
> >America is half the fucking PLANET away. It's nowhere NEAR England. If
> >it wants a language which DIFFERS from ours, it can CALL IT SOMETHING
> >ELSE.
>
> I see you have issues with geography as well.
I was generalising. It's /almost/ the entire planet away. Happy now?
Chucky & Janica
Zahut <chee...@hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> [C] And you have no quarrel with her because she's saying things you
>> can't dispute without being insulted by the fact that she's making you
>> look like a twit?
>
>He's doing a damn good job all by himself.
He's a being of ruthless efficiency.
Hi Eff.
Chucky & Janica
Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>> >ENG-LISH: The language of England.
>>
>> This came from Germany. You know that, right?
>
>What did, precisely?
[J] English. I've already explained.
England = Angle-land = land of the Angles. Since the Angles came, like
I already pointed out, from approximately the area of current
Schlesswig-Holstein, and English is literally the language of the
Angles, it came from Germany.
>> If the English language is a mass of other countries' words and
>> phrases, why should British English be the definitive version just
>> because it's the most pompous?
>
>It's ENGLISH. Hence, it's ENGLISH. Hence, it's fucking ENGLISH. Hence,
>it's NOT FUCKING AMERICAN.
[C] There is no such language as "American". It's English. It's a
dialect of English, same as Scouse or Cockney. Those are English,
aren't they? What language do they speak in Scotland and Ireland and
Wales?
>The word "english", means "the language spoken in England".
[C] Bullshit. You live in the United Kingdom anyway. So you should be
speaking Unitedish. "English" is a language spoken in many different
continents.
The Oxford Dictionary defines English as follows:
Language of England, now used in UK, US, and most Commonwealth
countries.
Hint: You live in the UK.
Uncle Traveling Matt
>
> Way back on Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:08:17 -0500, this dweeb called Pete
> Zahut <chee...@hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> [C] And you have no quarrel with her because she's saying things you
> >> can't dispute without being insulted by the fact that she's making you
> >> look like a twit?
> >
> >He's doing a damn good job all by himself.
>
> He's a being of ruthless efficiency.
>
> Hi Eff.
Cheesy_1 threw you off, eh?
I would have filled the group with replies from new posters, but I
really didn't see any discussion worth getting into.
Matt
--
"The issue here ain't pussy. The issue here is monkey."
- Virgil "Gus" Grissom, The Right Stuff
Infinity
mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an attempt
to convey the following in binary:
> Infinity <n...@email.address> kirjoitti viestissä:
>
> >> >ENG-LISH: The language of England.
> >>
> >> This came from Germany. You know that, right?
> >
> >What did, precisely?
>
> [J] English. I've already explained.
>
> England = Angle-land = land of the Angles. Since the Angles came, like
> I already pointed out, from approximately the area of current
> Schlesswig-Holstein, and English is literally the language of the
> Angles, it came from Germany.
Were they obtuse?
> >> If the English language is a mass of other countries' words and
> >> phrases, why should British English be the definitive version just
> >> because it's the most pompous?
> >
> >It's ENGLISH. Hence, it's ENGLISH. Hence, it's fucking ENGLISH. Hence,
> >it's NOT FUCKING AMERICAN.
>
> [C] There is no such language as "American".
There is, it's just not /called/ 'American'. My point is that it
*should* be.
> It's English. It's a
> dialect of English, same as Scouse or Cockney. Those are English,
> aren't they? What language do they speak in Scotland and Ireland and
> Wales?
Well...the Welsh speak, funnily enough, "Welsh".
> >The word "english", means "the language spoken in England".
>
> [C] Bullshit. You live in the United Kingdom anyway. So you should be
> speaking Unitedish.
I live in England. It is part of the United Kingdom, but it's also part
of the planet, the Solar System and the universe...
> "English" is a language spoken in many different
> continents.
"English" is a language people on (yes 'on', not 'in') many different
continents claim to speak.
> The Oxford Dictionary defines English as follows:
>
> Language of England, now used in UK, US, and most Commonwealth
> countries.
It should read:
"...now abused in UK, US and most Commonwealth countries"
> Hint: You live in the UK.
I noticed.
The Vampire Muffin Man
>Date: 12/7/2002 4:25 AM Central Standard Time
>The Vampire Muffin Man (grrro...@aol.comVvGrrrvV) and a pack of six-
>foot-long mutant purple caterpillars rolled their eyes frantically in an
>attempt to convey the following in binary:
>
>> >America is half the fucking PLANET away. It's nowhere NEAR England. If
>> >it wants a language which DIFFERS from ours, it can CALL IT SOMETHING
>> >ELSE.
>>
>> I see you have issues with geography as well.
>
>I was generalising. It's /almost/ the entire planet away. Happy now?
You were closer with half...but sure.
Ouriana Sedai et al
Thus spake Infinicky:
>> I already pointed out, from approximately the area of current
>> Schlesswig-Holstein, and English is literally the language of the
>> Angles, it came from Germany.
>
>Were they obtuse?
*tiny cymbal*
Julie
--
Fallen Angel
CMM Collective 9 of 6
"Impact is Irrelevant"
--
"You must have a bladder like Lake Erie. I think empires rose and fell in the
time it took you to pee". --Neil Gaiman, _American Gods_