Escaping the male a'dam
Aaron
ago tGS was released...but...did Rand use the True Power to break that
a'dam?
And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
the TP's awesomeness?
Or, perhaps, was it just the first half of Rand's ascent to
awesomeness, now attained? Like, he could channel any male-usable-
power at this point? Does the Creator have a True Power too?
-Aaron
David DeLaney
>Didn't see anyone mention this, but then again I don't know how long
>ago tGS was released...but...did Rand use the True Power to break that a'dam?
Yes. Yes he did.
>And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
>different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
>the TP's awesomeness?
>
>Or, perhaps, was it just the first half of Rand's ascent to
>awesomeness, now attained? Like, he could channel any male-usable-
>power at this point? Does the Creator have a True Power too?
We are Not Sure. Leakage from being mentally merged with Moridin lo these many
books is a prime suspect.
The Creator's True Power is the One Power, if you haven't picked up on that yet.
Dave
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Lord Fiddleshits Cuntbottom
> Didn't see anyone mention this, but then again I don't know how long
> ago tGS was released...but...did Rand use the True Power to break that
> a'dam?
Seems that way.
> And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
> different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
> the TP's awesomeness?
Might just be some unforeseen effect of Rand and Ishamael being
eternal opposites. But you'd still think this would have to be
consciously granted by the Dark One.
Maybe the Dark One wanted Semirhage dead - was it Semirhage who
collared him? Well anyway - and this was the easiest way to do it.
Just give him access to the True Power for a moment, in his desperate
fury, and let him do it.
Again, this was in Rand's "Dark Period", he was sinking fast towards
madness and brutality and could easily have succumbed to the Dark
Side. The True Power might have been an indicator of that. He was
becoming Ishamael in some way.
Now, he's the Golden Child and I don't think he'll be needing the True
Power again. Unless those mega-whupping weaves he did to destroy the
Shadowspawn army were the True Power. I don't think they were - I
think they were just Rand being Holy as All Fuck.
> Or, perhaps, was it just the first half of Rand's ascent to
> awesomeness, now attained?
Certainly a step on the road, but I tend to think of it as a final
step on the downward path rather than a step on the upward. Tam's near-
death was also one of the last steps on the Low Road.
> Like, he could channel any male-usable-
> power at this point? Does the Creator have a True Power too?
Yeah. The One Power (as mentioned).
Whether the One Power is just a neutral sort of universal power that
anyone can use, and the Creator and the Dark One both have True Power
stashes They can dole out to Their worshippers at will, is debatable
of course. The simple fact is that the Dark One is active and the
Creator supremely passive, so the Dark One hoards the True Power while
the Creator may not grant His True Power at all - or, more likely, the
One Power is His True Power and everybody can use it because the
Creator is essentially absent and doesn't guard it at all.
C@w
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Aaron
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:33:29 -0800 (PST), Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
> >Didn't see anyone mention this, but then again I don't know how long
> >ago tGS was released...but...did Rand use the True Power to break that a'dam?
>
> Yes. Yes he did.
>
> >And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
> >different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
> >the TP's awesomeness?
>
> >Or, perhaps, was it just the first half of Rand's ascent to
> >awesomeness, now attained? Like, he could channel any male-usable-
> >power at this point? Does the Creator have a True Power too?
>
> We are Not Sure. Leakage from being mentally merged with Moridin lo these many
> books is a prime suspect.
Meh.
> The Creator's True Power is the One Power, if you haven't picked up on that yet.
Snarky. I like that. You've got spunk, kid. I knew that, but wondered
if there might be yet another aspect to it.
> Dave
"What are you doing, Dave?"
-Aaron
Aaron
wrote:
> On 12 tammi, 16:33, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Didn't see anyone mention this, but then again I don't know how long
> > ago tGS was released...but...did Rand use the True Power to break that
> > a'dam?
>
> Seems that way.
>
> > And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
> > different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
> > the TP's awesomeness?
>
> Might just be some unforeseen effect of Rand and Ishamael being
> eternal opposites. But you'd still think this would have to be
> consciously granted by the Dark One.
I like something more nefarious.
> Maybe the Dark One wanted Semirhage dead - was it Semirhage who
> collared him? Well anyway - and this was the easiest way to do it.
> Just give him access to the True Power for a moment, in his desperate
> fury, and let him do it.
That's a bit better, but my theory is still more interesting.
> Again, this was in Rand's "Dark Period", he was sinking fast towards
> madness and brutality and could easily have succumbed to the Dark
> Side. The True Power might have been an indicator of that. He was
> becoming Ishamael in some way.
>
> Now, he's the Golden Child and I don't think he'll be needing the True
> Power again. Unless those mega-whupping weaves he did to destroy the
> Shadowspawn army were the True Power. I don't think they were - I
> think they were just Rand being Holy as All Fuck.
Indeed.
> > Or, perhaps, was it just the first half of Rand's ascent to
> > awesomeness, now attained?
>
> Certainly a step on the road, but I tend to think of it as a final
> step on the downward path rather than a step on the upward. Tam's near-
> death was also one of the last steps on the Low Road.
Yeah, that was truly fucked.
> > Like, he could channel any male-usable-
> > power at this point? Does the Creator have a True Power too?
>
> Yeah. The One Power (as mentioned).
>
> Whether the One Power is just a neutral sort of universal power that
> anyone can use, and the Creator and the Dark One both have True Power
> stashes They can dole out to Their worshippers at will, is debatable
> of course. The simple fact is that the Dark One is active and the
> Creator supremely passive, so the Dark One hoards the True Power while
> the Creator may not grant His True Power at all - or, more likely, the
> One Power is His True Power and everybody can use it because the
> Creator is essentially absent and doesn't guard it at all.
Yeah, prolly.
> C@w
> --
> Now I have Capitalisation Cramp. It's a real Malady.
Dave has it too. Weird. You guys have gone all wonky in my absence.
-Aaron
Lord Fiddleshits Cuntbottom
> "What are you doing, Dave?"
"Oh, that's cute. You're doing that computer from that movie."
C@w
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Lord Fiddleshits Cuntbottom
> > > And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
> > > different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
> > > the TP's awesomeness?
>
> > Might just be some unforeseen effect of Rand and Ishamael being
> > eternal opposites. But you'd still think this would have to be
> > consciously granted by the Dark One.
>
> I like something more nefarious.
More nefarious than Rand turning slowly to the Dark One just weeks
before the Last Battle? How much more nefarious do you want it?
> > Maybe the Dark One wanted Semirhage dead - was it Semirhage who
> > collared him? Well anyway - and this was the easiest way to do it.
> > Just give him access to the True Power for a moment, in his desperate
> > fury, and let him do it.
>
> That's a bit better, but my theory is still more interesting.
I assume you're getting to that?
> > Whether the One Power is just a neutral sort of universal power that
> > anyone can use, and the Creator and the Dark One both have True Power
> > stashes They can dole out to Their worshippers at will, is debatable
> > of course. The simple fact is that the Dark One is active and the
> > Creator supremely passive, so the Dark One hoards the True Power while
> > the Creator may not grant His True Power at all - or, more likely, the
> > One Power is His True Power and everybody can use it because the
> > Creator is essentially absent and doesn't guard it at all.
>
> Yeah, prolly.
Oh. You didn't. What was your theory again?
C@w
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back.
Aaron
wrote:
> On 13 tammi, 19:52, Aaron <aaron...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > And, if so, was it available to him because the DO was trying yet a
> > > > different tactic to switch Rand to his side? By corrupting him with
> > > > the TP's awesomeness?
>
> > > Might just be some unforeseen effect of Rand and Ishamael being
> > > eternal opposites. But you'd still think this would have to be
> > > consciously granted by the Dark One.
>
> > I like something more nefarious.
>
> More nefarious than Rand turning slowly to the Dark One just weeks
> before the Last Battle? How much more nefarious do you want it?
I suppose that's good enough, I was more reacting to the first
sentence. Still, I'd like it to be one more facet of the DO trying to
turn Rand into his Naeblis.
> > > Maybe the Dark One wanted Semirhage dead - was it Semirhage who
> > > collared him? Well anyway - and this was the easiest way to do it.
> > > Just give him access to the True Power for a moment, in his desperate
> > > fury, and let him do it.
>
> > That's a bit better, but my theory is still more interesting.
>
> I assume you're getting to that?
I already got to it. It's already been brought'n.
> > > Whether the One Power is just a neutral sort of universal power that
> > > anyone can use, and the Creator and the Dark One both have True Power
> > > stashes They can dole out to Their worshippers at will, is debatable
> > > of course. The simple fact is that the Dark One is active and the
> > > Creator supremely passive, so the Dark One hoards the True Power while
> > > the Creator may not grant His True Power at all - or, more likely, the
> > > One Power is His True Power and everybody can use it because the
> > > Creator is essentially absent and doesn't guard it at all.
>
> > Yeah, prolly.
>
> Oh. You didn't. What was your theory again?
You suck.
> C@w
> --
> Wonky, Capitally and short of attention-span. Glad you Decided to come
> back.
-Aaron
Are these supposed to be clever? Didn't think so.
Lord Fiddleshits Cuntbottom
> > > > Whether the One Power is just a neutral sort of universal power that
> > > > anyone can use, and the Creator and the Dark One both have True Power
> > > > stashes They can dole out to Their worshippers at will, is debatable
> > > > of course. The simple fact is that the Dark One is active and the
> > > > Creator supremely passive, so the Dark One hoards the True Power while
> > > > the Creator may not grant His True Power at all - or, more likely, the
> > > > One Power is His True Power and everybody can use it because the
> > > > Creator is essentially absent and doesn't guard it at all.
>
> > > Yeah, prolly.
>
> > Oh. You didn't. What was your theory again?
>
> You suck.
Well, obviously.
> > Wonky, Capitally and short of attention-span. Glad you Decided to come
> > back.
>
> Are these supposed to be clever? Didn't think so.
Honestly, I didn't catch what your idea was. Basically the Dark One
turning Rand to evil? Thaqt would be cool, I admit. And it would tie
the end of the series rather neatly back to the beginning. Ishamael
was just trying to do what the Dark One told him to do during his Bore-
time, and he failed. Like he failed almost everything he ever tried to
do.
C@w
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