On Mar 15, 6:56 am, "BS" <smi2
...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >No, when I first read this I predicted correctly where you were coming
> >from.
> Gee, now I'm getting predictable. How depressing! ;)
I didn't mean it like that, Bri. To make explicit: I assumed tacitly
that you are "all over" the legal ishs surrounding cannabis. Your
arguments seem both valid and sound and at the crux of the matter. To
outsiders reading: I'm acquainted with BS. You can "predict" more the
more you "know" someone.
Dude #1: I know what you mean. Just look at the way you...
Dude #2: Finish my wife's sentences?
Dude #1: Yes. My point...
Dude #2: Exactly?
Dude #1: Uhh...yea. You know this is really getting...
Dude #2: To be too much? They way I obnoxiously...
Dude #1: Finish other people's sentences? Ha! Ha! The shoe's on the
other...
Dude #2: Foot? I was gonna say "fart in elevators," but I guess you
have a point.
> >Yes. They need to hold a joint session. <groan> Proceed...
> It would be much more healthy of course to just "vaporize" the whole place
> (except for the ostriches of course)
The ostriches don't need it. (I took my first vaporized hit two days
ago. Dude I know has a stainless steel gadget that looks like it might
make, oh I dunno, frappaccino lattes. He puts the material down there
on a tungsten plate, then attaches a tricked-out clear plastic bag
[the kind you get from the dry cleaners, only smaller] with a valve
and a button on it. You release the valve and get this nebulized hit
that feels like a hashish head-oriented buzz, but that may have as
much to do w/the particular strain of weed...then there's this
leftover granular weed, and below that, at the bottom of the hi-tech
Germanic-looking gadget there's a plate that captures powdery crystals
of THC-containing material. Quite an operation. But I digress...)
> >Reminds me of Krassner's line: "State's rights: It's not just for
> >racists anymore."
> Actually, this seems to me a good example of what Bob talked about with
> reality selection and reality-tunnels.
Yep! A very good example indeed! Come one! come all! Affix your lenses
to this complementary set of "realities!" And lo! Behold, ponder, get
pixillated, pontificate, argue for the (one of the) other side(s),
ponder more, investigate (ever read Eric Schlosser's brilliant
muckraking book _Reefer Madness_?)...repeat. Report. These two
complementary views have "real" civic importance! It has to do with
people SUFFERING. (And I want to be able to experiment with my own
nervous system w/o Johnny Law hassling me and ruining my life. Small
point.)
> As much as I would like to select the reality of the long-haired,
> dope-smoking San Francisco headbanger... my first imprints were in the
> reality-tunnel of racist John Birch Society parents in Dallas Texas in the
> 1960's. That means when I look at an issue like this case, my first
> inclination is to think, "How could Bubba and his buddies in the KKK use
> this principle to put non-whites 'back in their place?'"
Yesh...The Cowboys have never signed on to the Enlightenment/Civil and
Human Rights aspect of our Utopian forefolks. If they make claims to
believe and uphold those ideas, for the most part htose claims seem to
have been made grudgingly, and in Bad Faith. Not mush reason to trust
them now, esp after 2000. (The "mush" was a typo, one of my very many.
I miss most and hastily post. But I leave it there 'cuz it felt
Wakean.)
> It seems to me much more important in the short-term to preserve the gains
> of African-Americans and other non-whites in our society and the rights of
> women to reproductive freedom than to give me or Angel Raich the right to
> smoke pot.
In an AOL poll from yesterday, with 92,000 repondents at the time, 91%
were on Raich's side. And that's AOL, fwiw.
> Because here's the other secret of pot smokers (smirk)... unless you grow or
> deal in large quantities or go out of your way to get their attention and
> poke them in the eye, the feds don't have time or budget to prosecute your
> average pot smoker. In most states, local cops can and will bust you on
> state charges but it usually has to meet some threshold of weight to
> generate federal charges. In California, if you have a card, you can show
> it to the local cops or CHP and keep your pot. What I'm saying is, I can
> smoke pot just fine right now and don't feel the need to risk jeopardizing
> civil and abortion rights to get the pot smoking right that I believe I
> deserve.
Yes. This seems one of the most compelling...dare I say it?:
Conservative postitions on this. Others see some small farmer in
Kentucky who can't stand up to Big Agra and he gets busted selling 15
pounds in order to make family ends meet, and he loses the house/farm,
and does 10 yrs at State Farm, the kids ain't got no daddy, the asset
forfeiture goes to the pigs, ma has to raise the kids alone now. It's
Kentucky by gum, but they's still Murrkins, gol dernit! (I forget the
name of the book, but it's something like _Victims of the Drug War_.
It's hard not to get your viscera all jangled after reading stuff like
that.) But your Bigger Picture I find compelling, Monsier Shields.
> >When do you think the Supremes will uphold a law that allows states to
> >regulate their own medical pot, or just decrim/some form of
> >legalization? I ask in a rhetorical fashion.
> >As each year goes by and I've read more about the War On Certain
> >People Who Use Certain Drugs, and meditate on it, etc, the more I see
> >it in terms of RAW's model of gang warfare of rival programmers. If
> >the State sees legal pot as a powerful programming tool for..."us," -
> >for lack of a better term: the old word "counterculture" may do in a
> >loose way here - I don't see any reason why they'd let go of their
> >power to persecute the agents who seek to counterprogram "reality"
> >away from their twisted, sadistic, murderous, "values" of "all for us
> >and nothing for anyone else," killingry and illth, etc.
> Call me naive, and I'm sure many will, but I think the Supremes would uphold
> complete marijuana legalization today... IF it didn't diectly contradict
> applicable federal law. Scalia seems toadlike to me too, but read his
> opinion in the flag burning case sometime. This guy has strong libertarian
> leanings.
I have seen Scalia on flag burning. I wd hope this wd extend to
programming substances, but I do not trust his libertarian leanings
there. Perhaps we shall see.
> So, it seems to me the fight has to be in the Congress of the United States.
> We need to have a vigorous debate about why marijuana prohibition went into
> effect in the first place, why it stays in effect (including the rival
> programmers model), and how it both benefits and hurts us as a society. Is
> this a difficult sell? Yes. One of the biggest issues is that many of the
> politicians who appear most invested in drug prohibition are
> African-American Democratic elected-officials, many of whom have places of
> high influence in the new Congress.
Care to go into why this last bit is/seems? When it seems so counter-
intuitive? Grist for potentially edifying rhetoric is what I'm asking
for here, BS.
> But it seems to me a fight worth pursuing. I'm hopeful as more data
> accumulates from California and other medical marijuana jurisdictions, as
> more research is done, as more people have direct experience with people
> who need pot for medical reasons, a new generation of more courageous
> politicians will come forward and prohibition will be history. But again,
> it ain't worth riskin' a return to Jim Crow for right now, to me.
> BS
> SF, CA
One action to take wd be the point out the extent we lock up people
for nonviolent drug offenses, compare it to China and other
nondemocratic places, and then hit 'em with the whammy of your tax
money being utterly wasted, and wouldn't you rather put it into
housing/fixing infrastructure/health care/education/environment? Etc.
(Same general approach regarding the "defense" budget, only in
SPADES.)
rmjon23
Berkeley, CA