RAW SHARING
flyagaric23
Greetings &
Please, keep up the great work, y'all at: alt.fan.rawilson! love, fly.
"RAW Sharing:
Robert Anton Wilson...
Of the tribe of great heroes,
And he shared a wiccan-warrior vision of internet as a
Global revolution,
F-e-e-d-b-a-c-k
Characters and equations
A tale of the tribe, new conversation
Language vs. The Equation.
And he left us 36' books and 1000’s of articles
Maps and metaphor's for future circuits
Helping guide any thinking individual
Compelled to continue processing
The tale of the Tribe, maybelogic & RAW’s
Special language equations:
alphabet/ideogram
Joyce/Pound
Shannon/Mcluhan
TV/Internet.
A RAW internetwork of his quality critters,
Epic and Recyclopedic field of influence,
All-at-once when
Processed with the rhythm,
Surprise
LSD coated page-side bombs explode
Turning the flatted page into
hyperspace,
Radiating the readers consciousness
The page and – off – the page
into pypa-space.
Sharing Pound’s ‘Ideogramic method’
Sharing Joyce’s ‘Hologramic Prose & Epiphany & Finnegans Wake'
Sharing Bucky’s ‘Synergetics and Planetary design-science’
Sharing Shannon’s ‘Information Entropy and BITS’
Sharing Nietzsche’s ‘Eternal Return and influence upon Existentialism’
Sharing McLuhan’s ‘Global Village & The medium is the messsage'
Sharing Bruno’s ‘Pantheism and Decentralized Multiverse’
Sharing Vico’s ‘New Science & Ricorso’
Sharing Orson’s ‘Cinematic Methods’
Sharing Fenollosa’s ‘Chinese Written Character Poetry’
Sharing Yeats’s ‘Gyres, Symbolism & humanitarianism’
Sharing Gesell’s ‘Natural Economic Order'
Sharing Popper’s ‘Open Society'
Sharing Remy De Gournmont’s ‘Dissosociation of Ideas’
Sharing von Neumann’s ‘Theory of Games and Economic Behavior’
Sharing Leary’s ‘Eight Dimensional model of consciousness'
Sharing Reich’s ‘Bioenergetic Force’
Sharing Crowley’s ‘System of practical Magick’
Sharing Korzybski’s ‘General Semantics & English-prime’
Sharing Alfred Jarry’s ‘pataphysique’
RAW transfers a torrent of open ideas
Wrapped up in cutting satire, oozing Hilaritas
Sharing ideas that have shaped the 21st century,
The information radiates from his gestalt-texts
Although he is not here
to add further clarity & feedback
What he left still has the revolutionary potential -
A completed circuit of a perfected (life-work)
A Tale of the tribe, tied up with a Mobius
Spider-silk bow-tie.
Email to the Multiverse of Tweets
& Hyperverse Blogs of Great Old Hags &
Books by Pyrateas with
Links shared...
--Steve Fly.
http://ataleofatribe.blogspot.com/
http://www.sharethiscourse.org/
http://maybelogic.blogspot.com/
http://taleofthetribe.org/
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I just finished Sheldon Brivic's _Joyce's Waking Women_, which
suggests Joyce intended the Egyptian goddess Nut (Nuit) as ALP's
mother. This makes an interesting Crowley/Joyce connetion.
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the Tribe?
Dr. Johnson, what do you think?
(Preparing to enter the McLuhan Plateau.)
flyagaric23
wrote:
I think Vico fits with the strong 'McLuhan Joyce' vortex within Bob's
work.
To lift something straight from wikipedia that I feel answers your
question,
And corresponds to THUNDER, or the 10 Thunders of the Vico-Joyce-
McLuhan-Bob whirlpool
"McLuhan claims that the ten thunders in Wake represent different
stages in the history of man:[50]
* Thunder 1: Paleolithic to Neolithic. Speech. Split of East/West.
From herding to harnessing animals.
* Thunder 2: Clothing as weaponry. Enclosure of private parts. First
social aggression.
* Thunder 3: Specialism. Centralism via wheel, transport, cities:
civil life.
* Thunder 4: Markets and truck gardens. Patterns of nature submitted
to greed and power.
* Thunder 5: Printing. Distortion and translation of human patterns
and postures and pastors.
* Thunder 6: Industrial Revolution. Extreme development of print
process and individualism.
* Thunder 7: Tribal man again. All choractors end up separate, private
man. Return of choric.
* Thunder 8: Movies. Pop art, pop Kulch via tribal radio. Wedding of
sight and sound.
* Thunder 9: Car and Plane. Both centralizing and decentralizing at
once create cities in crisis. Speed and death.
* Thunder 10: Television. Back to tribal involvement in tribal mood-
mud. The last thunder is a turbulent, muddy wake, and murk of non-
visual, tactile man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcluhan#The_global_village
flyagaric23
wrote:
Yes, I felt Mark L. Troy, in his essay 'mummeries of resurrection'
sent me thinking of Crowley Joyce networks.
Thanks for sparking up my mind-plugs on this matter. Also, to my mind,
William Burroughs developed a species of 'Joyce Crowley' glossings of
Egyptological symbolism, especially in "The Western Lands".
RMJon23
wrote:
First off: the heartiest of welcomes to Fly Agaric: PLEASE keep
posting!
Not sure where to start here and don't wanna give away the game - my
game - but lately I've been meditating deeply (which includes taking
copious notes) on Vico's idea of verum factum.
A severely truncated def of verum factum: we humans can only know what
we create. Now: verum factum PO Copenhagen Interpretation. Etc...
In Prometheus Rising, Robert Anton Wilson conflates the 3rd circ w/
Tale of the Tribe, and I find that a rich vortex, but Antero's recent
dazzling/mindblowing book has me thinking about the 3rd circ in a way
that mitigates and further complexifies wonderfully this idea from
RAW.
[Antero Alli's 2009 _The Eight-Circuit Brain_ presents enough of
dissentual data from the RAW/Leary model of the 8CB, that, with the
release of Antero's book, the Model now becomes truly ROBUST, and I
think it's ready for take-off into more mainstream tributaries of
popular thought, although this will take time due to the chaotic glut
of Wiggy Ideas in the marketplace...]
RAW wished to emphasize Vico's ideas about language as class warfare,
and variations on this idea are percolating out of a dormant paideuma
in new ways.
At the risk of boring us all, I stop here.
-rmjon23 da Berkeley
"To have closed the gap between mythology and botany is but one
movement of the process; one way to read _The Cantos_ is to go through
noting the restoration of relationships now thought to be discreet -
the ideogrammic method was invented for just this purpose."
-Guy Davenport, _Geography of the Imagination_
RMJon23
w/r/t Vico and McLuhan, if you haven't already done so, it bears a re-
read: McLuhan's 1951 letter to Harold Innes, collected in _The
Essential McLuhan), pp.72-75. It seems quite isomorphic to TotTribe
conceptualizations RAW delineated at the end of TSOG, and in his Tale
Maybe Logic Academy notes that either you or bandito were kind enough
to fwd to me.
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book, listening to Boccherini on a TV via cable, contemplating McLuhan
and media.
ARW23
> [Antero Alli's 2009 _The Eight-Circuit Brain_ presents enough of
> dissentual data from the RAW/Leary model of the 8CB, that, with the
> release of Antero's book, the Model now becomes truly ROBUST, and I
> think it's ready for take-off into more mainstream tributaries of
> popular thought, although this will take time due to the chaotic glut
> of Wiggy Ideas in the marketplace...]
Speaking of Antero Alli's "The Eight-Circuit Brain" .....I am
impressed and pleased how personal, down to earth and mature this book
has been written. "ROBUST" - yes!
I went to book signing about a moth ago. Met with Alli and exchanged
few words. "The danger is in words", as Richard Burton says in "Doctor
Faustus" (1967)
Here are some words from Antero Alli, out of context, but I think,
really good words to think about:
"So many theories, so little application. If I can't apply knowledge
in some way, it feels useless to me.
For all of Leary's brilliance and innovation, I was annoyed by what
felt like a serious imbalance between theory and praxis. I asked Bob
about this and he said "people might understand Tim better if they
knew his nickname during his Harvard days: Theory Leary." (p.8)
"We become legends in our own minds." (p.6)
"Emotions and feelings are commonly confused as the same thing." (p.
70)
Are they the same? If different, what is the difference?
"To stay emotionally anchored, we need at lest one sure thing we can
count on. What or who can you call your """one sure thing"""?" (p.87)
"We discover that we are not only more than we think - we are more
than we CAN think." (p.87)
For those of you who have not read the book yet, these lines may serve
as a teaser, BUT, let me tell you page 5 with all the BS and pages
268-283 with MG, RAW-k!!!!
ARW23
RMJon23
> For those of you who have not read the book yet, these lines may serve
> as a teaser, BUT, let me tell you page 5 with all the BS and pages
> 268-283 with MG, RAW-k!!!!
>
> ARW23
Yep. Maybe I'm just biased 'cuz I know and love the guy, but Mike
Gathers's interview with Antero makes me think Gathers is one of best
thinkers on the 8CB I've encountered, besides Antero. (I consider
Leary and RAW the Inventors of the model.)
When you read Mike G's Qs to Alli, sometimes Antero more or less
agrees with him, other times he doesn't, but Mike's ideas about the
Model really make me think, the sadistic bastid!
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Leary's prison experiment who wanted to listen to Rollins during their
drug experiment, remembering the huge practical, scientific, hands-on,
down to earth side of Leary's work.
Thanks for recommended the McLuhan letter, Dr. Johnson. The first
paragraph makes me think of Vico, whom he mentions a few lines later.
Fly, have you read this letter?
The second paragraph brings in Pound and Joyce. McLuhan's comments
about Eisenstein make me think of Fenollosa. You know, I checked
those two Eisenstein books out of the library a few months ago and
returned them without reading them. I will have to check them out
again. So much to read: Antero's book, some Dante, a bunch of
kabbalah, David Thomson's book on Orson Welles, _Havana Nocturne_, and
some Latin grammar top the list at present.
You know, D. W. Griffith really influenced Eisenstein, as Lillian Gish
pointed out in her book _The Movies, Mr. Griffith and Me_, a book Bob
Wilson loved.
The discussion of comic books in the McLuhan letter reminds me of
Scott McCloud's _Understanding Comics_. That book mentions McLuhan,
as I recall.
The discussion of the survival of literature on the top of page 74 of
the McLuhan reminds me of the opening of Harold Bloom's _The Western
Canon_ (a book based on Vico and a book Bob reviewed). Bloom's idea
that only a few people will delve deeply into Shakespeare and Dante in
the 21st century inspired me to start a Dante Club at my high school.
McLuhan's comments about the role of English teachers strike home as I
contemplate my Crowleyesque True Will sitting here in my classroom on
Sunday morning with a stack of papers to grade next to me.
You know, I have two McLuhan books checked out from the library which
I suspect I will return unread, since I really want to prepare for my
420 Kabbalah class at MLA.
Dr. Johnson, thank you so much for bringing this letter to my
attention. I consider you a blessing to the RAW community and the
whole human tribe. McLuhan mentions Wyndam Lewis on page 74, whose
criticism's of Joyce Bob mentions in the Tale of the Tribe section of
_TSOG_. McLuhan's mentions of Machiavelli remind of the use of
Machiavelli in Pynchon's _V_. Also in terms of Tale of the Tribe, one
can see Shakespeare's fascination with Italy as a synergetic fusion of
Ovid, Bruno and Machiavelli. Reading Gershom Scholem and Frances
Yates's references to each other's works reminds me of the occult web
of Neoplatonic and Gnostic memes in the Renaissance laying the
foundations for the post-Vico continuum.
Wow, McLuhan even mentions Wiener. This letter just went right past
me when I read it five years ago.
(I just put on the Hammerklavier Sonata as I wrap up.) Thanks again
Mike.
flyagaric23
wrote:
The letter from McLuhan to Innes 1951, I have not read.
But your outpourings - the replies here are like a
Shower of golden nuggets.
I was led from the Leary' wish of listening to 'Nuke'
Sonny Rollins, to thinking of the time Allen Ginsberg,
Turned on Thelonious Monk to the great product of
Sandoz, & back to Vico, and the verum factum,
All News to me, good Dr., and so rather than stumble around like
A drugged horse, I'll stop. Say "thankyou sir's for the shared wisdom"
And, I'll go read the items you kindly steer me towards.
--Fly Agaric 23
RMJon23
wrote:
> Written listening to Sonny Rollins, thinking of the prisoner in
> Leary's prison experiment who wanted to listen to Rollins during their
> drug experiment, remembering the huge practical, scientific, hands-on,
> down to earth side of Leary's work.
Yes, practical and hands-on, which Antero seems to not agree with
much, possibly because it suits the heterodoxical directions he wants
to push the 8CB model towards. Etc.
> Thanks for recommended the McLuhan letter, Dr. Johnson. �The first
> paragraph makes me think of Vico, whom he mentions a few lines later.
> Fly, have you read this letter?
Glad to be able to help the Receptives.
> The second paragraph brings in Pound and Joyce. �McLuhan's comments
> about Eisenstein make me think of Fenollosa. �You know, I checked
> those two Eisenstein books out of the library a few months ago and
> returned them without reading them. �I will have to check them out
> again. �So much to read: Antero's book, some Dante, a bunch of
> kabbalah, David Thomson's book on Orson Welles, _Havana Nocturne_, and
> some Latin grammar top the list at present.
I always have about 25-30 books from the library, in addition to the
ones I own. Some get their hooks into me, while others go unread and
returned. I note them in my journal as "preemies": books that I still
want to read, but must return or face mounting fines.
> You know, D. W. Griffith really influenced Eisenstein, as Lillian Gish
> pointed out in her book _The Movies, Mr. Griffith and Me_, a book Bob
> Wilson loved.
Now I MUST read that book! Thanks for the head's up, Mr. Wagner.
In the Polanksi book of interviews I've recently cited, he talks quite
a bit about his longshot surprise at getting admitted into the elite
film school at Lodz, and how he learned all his technique there. The
CP took seriously Lenin's words, that "Amongst all the arts, cinema is
the most important." So, the students at the film school were allowed
access to all kinds of verboten Western material, and the CP didn't
bother these guys. Polanksi talks about how passionate he and his
classmates were about film, and they'd form little cabals around their
favorite styles. Polanski was "part of the Welles group." Here's a
line: "For me, Citizen Kane stands as perhaps the most accomplished,
beautiful, and uplifting films of all time. It's a blueprint for how
cinema should be." RP also thought Kubrick simulated the LSD
experience in 2001 far better than anyone had to that point, including
all those LSD-exploitation films form the late '60s/early '70s.
Re: Eisenstein: Polanski says that the Lodz school was heavily infl by
Russian film theory and film production ideas, but that those ideas
were influenced by American ideas originally.
> The discussion of comic books in the McLuhan letter reminds me of
> Scott McCloud's _Understanding Comics_. �That book mentions McLuhan,
> as I recall.
I seem to remember MM being mentioned in the McCloud book, too.
> The discussion of the survival of literature on the top of page 74 of
> the McLuhan reminds me of the opening of Harold Bloom's _The Western
> Canon_ (a book based on Vico and a book Bob reviewed). �Bloom's idea
> that only a few people will delve deeply into Shakespeare and Dante in
> the 21st century inspired me to start a Dante Club at my high school.
> McLuhan's comments about the role of English teachers strike home as I
> contemplate my Crowleyesque True Will sitting here in my classroom on
> Sunday morning with a stack of papers to grade next to me.
The idea of the survival of literature reminds me of the ideas of
itinerant academic Morris Berman, who is far less sanguine than RAW
about the future, and says the Empire will slowly crumble, it's gonna
be some dark stuff, but people like us should go about quietly waiting
for things to settle, cultivating the fine ideas of literature (and
other things) until the culture is ready to remake itself, which we
will probably not see. But we can keep it alive and pass it on to a
few others who will keep it alive...sorta like what happened with
canonical books during the so-called Dark Ages. One diff: monks were
the ONLY people reading those books then, but they probably didn't
understand them! Reading was a sort of meditation for them, and the
idea of a lectio divina (the "divine reading") blew me away: monks
would "read" these - to them - obscure books for four hours a day. We
can read AND have a far different kind of understanding of the Books.
I try to be optimistic about the future, but visions like Berman's
(and many others') still insistently haunt me...
> You know, I have two McLuhan �books checked out from the library which
> I suspect I will return unread, since I really want to prepare for my
> 420 Kabbalah class at MLA.
What's going on in that class? You smoke out at 4:20 and then practice
kabbalah?
> Dr. Johnson, thank you so much for bringing this letter to my
> attention. �I consider you a blessing to the RAW community and the
> whole human tribe. �McLuhan mentions Wyndam Lewis on page 74, whose
> criticism's of Joyce Bob mentions in the Tale of the Tribe section of
> _TSOG_. � McLuhan's mentions of Machiavelli remind of the use of
> Machiavelli in Pynchon's _V_. �Also in terms of Tale of the Tribe, one
> can see Shakespeare's fascination with Italy as a synergetic fusion of
> Ovid, Bruno and Machiavelli. �Reading Gershom Scholem and Frances
> Yates's references to each other's works reminds me of the occult web
> of Neoplatonic and Gnostic memes in the Renaissance laying the
> foundations for the post-Vico continuum.
Tanks fuh da kind woids, palzy.
I need to re-read V. Billy Shakes' woody for italian stuff has always
interested me, and it's well worth delving further into. There's gotta
be a lot there. Scholem and Yates are both truly awesome scholars for
me. I tend to think of them as cross-pollinating via elite Affinity
Groups; Scholem was part of the Eranos stuff; Yates the Warburg
Institute.
> Wow, McLuhan even mentions Wiener. �This letter just went right past
> me when I read it five years ago.
>
> (I just put on the Hammerklavier Sonata as I wrap up.) �Thanks again
> Mike.
I get just as much back, I assure you.
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I finally finished _I Have America Surrounded_, which I enjoyed, but
the author seemed most fascinated by a period in Leary's life earlier
than the periods which interest me the most. He seemed fascinated by
the time Tim shared with Brian Bartlett, and he mocked Tim's SMI2LE
and Starseed ideas, etc. I find the SMI2LE ideas fascinating, and I
find Tim most interesting from that point on.
Aleister Crowley said one could learn the kabbalah by memorizing all
those tables from 777, or one could focus on one kabbalistic
challenge. A few years ago I noticed that the Hebrew word for "smoke"
adds up to 420, and I figured one could build up a kabbalistic system
based on understanding the number 420.
bandito
wrote:
I had never heard of Brian Bartlett prior to the Higgs bio and am
thankful Higgs covered him. Antero persists at promoting the WDWW
fictionalization on the origins of the 8cb and I'm glad Higgs
discusses that in so much detail.
Higgs used to have a blog where he had some great entries. I
remember one where he dispels the WDWW account of "Dr. Adams" and the
8CB, and another where he discusses how Leary was so rich that he
could only cover a portion of his life in detail. He then wrote that
Metzner was working on something covering the Millbrook days.
I2 seems rich and multilayered to me. LE - a curious phenomen of
evolutionary interest. SM - not so much.
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space migration. I suspect it will happen.
I did enjoy the Higgs book. I notice more and more books and articles
with "turn on" and "tune in" in the titles. Leary continues to
influence the mass culture.
RMJon23
wrote:
Not long ago I looked up Leonardo DiCaprio re: his supposed Leary
project. It's still in "development" and is this guy BUSY er wot?:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000138/
At Thanksgiving I was at a party of bohos/lesbians/poet-intellectuals
and there was lots of cannabis. One interesting lady talked about the
paranoia she feels on pot and her (stoned) husband said it's all "set
and setting," and I said, "Yea, I was gonna say it's what Leary
emphasized." And he was interested to know that "set and setting" was
from Leary. And then I said - 'cuz I've learned to doubt what I had
been *sure* was the One True Origin - "at least Leary made the idea a
big part of his public thought...someone may have said it before
him..."
With the gradual defrosting of academic/medical research into
psychedelics, there seems a strong possibility that Leary will be seen
as yet another State-persecuted heretic, that he really "had something
there."
On p.165 of _Leary On Drugs_ TL sez he thought that Lenin could've
converted Russian aristocratic youth w/o firing a shot if he only knew
how to use hashish properly!
Now: taking Tim at his Philosopher-as-baseball hitter: does this swing
and miss? Is it one of those crushed balls that flies 430 feet, only
pulled foul? Or maybe it's a grand salami?
BTW, guys: it's Brian BARRITT. Leary told RAW that he and Barritt
needed to meet each other, but I can't recall Robert Anton Wilson
saying he ever did. (My guess, shd I get to the bottom of it: they did
meet and BB wasn't RAW's cup of "tea.")
RMJon23
> The letter from McLuhan to Innes 1951, I have not read.
> But your outpourings - the replies here are like a
> Shower of golden nuggets.
> I was led from the Leary' wish of listening to 'Nuke'
> Sonny Rollins, to thinking of the time Allen Ginsberg,
> Turned on Thelonious Monk to the great product of
> Sandoz, & back to Vico
The music/lit/kulch critic Richard Meltzer's meme that Ginsberg=Diz/
Bird=Kerouac/Monk=WSB - you may have hoid all dat -
I laff at this:
"Encounters between the two groups were rarely substantive, but there
are at least two worth mentioning. In 1958, after a gig at the Five
Spot on St. Mark's Place. Ginsberg gave Monk a copy of _Howl_, the
book that thrust the Beats' raw prolixity on the public ('Moloch!
Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children
screaming under the stairways! Old men weeping in the parks!'). The
taciturn Monk nodded: 'Makes sense.' Two years later, after scoring
psilocybin from Timothy Leary, Ginsberg passed some to Gillespie and
Monk, hoping to start a revolution of the mind. Monk was unimpressed.
'Got anything stronger?' he asked."
-pp. 140-141, _Hip: The History_, John Leland.
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American Poetry. I also read Leary's _Flashbacks_ that semester. I
found it amusing how many poets we read in that class showed up in the
Leary book: Charles Olson, Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, Robert Lowell, etc.
I met Leary for the first time in 1983, and I met Ginsberg and
Ferlinghetti in 1985. I think Ginsberg found me and my Leary-esque
attitudes corny.