Re: (AFP) Words of Wisdom to share
Lil Stinker
<dudewiththe(remove)ha...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>Dear Fort Friends,
>
>It has been pointed out to me that many of my friends disagree with me
>sometimes, but are afraid to say so because I might turn on them. I
>would hate it if anyone felt that way. I have asked several friends to
>let me know if I've crossed the line in my posts. I have had several
>responses, the best of which I offer you all because the message is
>Golden. This person is not a poster, but a caring boylover
>nonetheless. What happens in The Fort is important to him, like it is
>many of you.
>
>I encourage you all to read his message, in which he upbraids me
>gently, fairly and accurately. I invite all of my friends to comment
>publicly and/or privately on my part in the 'ongoing saga'. Your input
>is not only solicited, but very welcome. You will see that you have
>nothing fear in the way of repraisals from me. I seek harmony in The
>Fort and it's environs and as my friend points out so well, sometimes
>I let certain personalities cloud my thinking and decisionmaking.
>Please read and contribute:
>
>My friend writes:
>
>I've been in and around the Fort a bit, but not spent alot of time
>following all the threads. I've honestly just had too much else on
>my plate. With alot of it overflowing onto the ground. Too bad
>puppy dog can't clean that part of it up like he does with anything
>else that may get dropped on the floor. :-)
>
>I have seen a bit of what's been going on with the dreaded Y-
>naught. I don't have the whole story and I am not sure I'm going
>to go back and attempt to pick it all up. Sorry. But, I do have
>bits and pieces of it. Suffice it to say, one of your last
>postings said it best. The one where you were looking at the
>wreckage at the bottom of the pool and cleaning up around the Fort.
> You and Lil Stinker.
>
>Yes, I'm familiar with and do visit (the Whisper Room-Y not's group).
>But, like I've said,
>I haven't been reading all the threads. I would have liked to, but
>there's just been virtually no time for me these last several
>weeks. Sorry.
>
>My take on Y-not? I think he's intelligent and knows alot about
>what he knows. And, there's alot that he doesn't know. Just like
>the rest of us. I have never understood why the two of you seem to
>conflict so much. Oh, sure, I've seen you both get pissy with each
>other and solve nothing a number of times. Other than finally
>giving up (the both of you) with injured feelings (the both of you)
>or just getting tired of it all (the both of you).
>
>What I'm saying is that you both come together for the same thing,
>yet for some reason you two tend not to find commonality and
>brotherhood in that, but you both make a catfight out of it.
>
>And, you both have the torn ears and scars to prove it. I liked,
>well, loved, the allegory about the pirate attack. A lot of fun
>and alot of subtle truths all over it. It worked on so many
>levels. Once again, though, I did not follow the whole thing, but
>what I saw was good. It was fun and it was serious, and a blend of
>both. Now, put the swords away before you both lay there wounded
>and bleeding.
>
>I'm not asking you to make up with him. That is your own business.
> And, I'm not sure you can communicate with him privately. But,
>end the hostility. And, if you can't, then don't publish it all
>over the Fort. Sometimes, you're like a dog with a bone. You just
>can't let go. And, in some cases, you really goaded him. And, he
>goaded you. He got pissed and fired back and took a lot of good
>Forsters down with it. And, sometimes you came awfully close to
>doing the same thing.
>
>I'm not saying that you were right, or he was right. There were no
>winners. And, I'm sure that a few days into it all, the "right"
>went out the window. It was all ego - a clash of wills between two
>titans.
>
>What I'm saying Doc is it's time for a truce. A long lasting one.
>Your talents and abilities are far better spent on the boys - all
>of them -than one man with whom you find yourself at odds. Send
>the olive branch. Teach the boys that they can have disagreements
>and conflict and still end up with peace. They don't have to take
>up arms and fight. They can end it with love. And, with honor.
>It just takes someone to make that first step and be accepted.
>Almost like trying to make friends with a stray animal that trusts
>no one. Or a lonely little boy who's desperately searching for
>someone to love him, to make him feel loved, to know he is loved,
>yet fear keeps him alone. His own and those around him.
>
>For in some ways, I do think Y-not is a little boy like that
>despite his years. Aren't we all in some way? Don't we come
>together in the Fort because of that and our love for the boys?
>Can we not spend all that energy and time on things good instead of
>negative? On fun and happiness and more?
>
>***************
>
>He is right. And I am attempting to follow his advice, even now.
>
>HABD
>
>Doc
>
>NP-f31
You got em peace pipe?
Me smoke em! ;o)
Bury tommyhawk, just not between eyes.
Lil Stinker
"no feudin', fightin' nor fussin'....just fun"
Cleanup Crew
>
>NP-f31
Doc,
There is one major problem with you, which seems to be a consistent
one: you concede way too easily. You share a simple email, from what
looks like a simple writer, who by his own admission doesn't know the
half of what is going on, the result of which leaves you sounding like
you're willing to hang up your gloves altogether. Have you forgotten
who the fight is with, and what it's all about? I haven't, and there
are many others who haven't either. Even at your very worst, you have
been far too generous with Y-Nut. He's never deserved a bit of your
generosity, and there could be no reward for it either. I like you.
You're a nice guy. Maybe too nice. Perhaps you *should* leave the
good fight to people like Ninja, who continues to do a commendable
job. Mephi is also being true to himself. Abc is a champion, without
question - he'd wear any enemy down with his sheer tenacity. Mac
deserves a medal for standing up to Y-Not, and putting him in his
rightful place. Mike entertains us all, with his humorous drawings.
(And Mike is absolutely right, Duey is an asshole). You have also
done very well, Doc, and at times you've led the charge. But now I
ask you, where is your drive? Where is your get up and go? Did it
get up and leave? Don't be so quick to throw in the towel. Y-Nut is
still among us, as are his minions. And until they are no more, there
are a number of us who will not let them forget the distress they have
caused us personally, and many others that we care about. We will not
allow them to continue to have a voice in our groups, that they have
brought so much turmoil to. It's time to take a stand, and there's no
room for wavering. I think you realize this is war. But I also get
the impression at times you conveniently want to forget that it is.
War is hell, Doc. But it has its rewards. And when the cause is
right, there is good purpose in it. Don't be persuaded otherwise, by
those who don't understand the fight, aren't willing to sacrifice for
it, but will no doubt enjoy the benefits of the victory when the war
is finally over.
Now here's something that might surprise a few people:
After investigations from various sources, the information turning up
in some circles is that Tomba may be a lot closer to Y-Nut than a lot
of people realize. Y-Nut has mentioned many times that his presence
in these groups was requested. Word has it from one direction, that
request was an invitation from Tomba alone. Other sources lean
towards Tomba and Y-Not being one and the same person. Other sources
suggest that Y-Nut is either LEA, or somehow affiliated with LEA.
These same sources suggest that Tomba is LEA, or somehow affiliated
with LEA, that he may be this Tolston character, and he may be
somebody that Y-Nut answers to in some capacity - if in fact they are
two different people. But no matter how it comes up, from whatever
direction, all early reports seem to be linking Y-Nut and Tomba
together in some close-knit way. More news on this as it develops.
Just watch your back, people. The dust will settle eventually, but
until then you really don't know who are what you're dealing with.
Cleanup Crew
Cleanup Crew
wrote:
>What distress have I ever caused you, you useless troublemaking turd?
>
>Now, innuendo flying, you are trying to attack TomBa. What is your fucking
>problem dickhead?
>
>You can't even write decent English. And you call me an asshole? Get a
>fucking mirror you cunt-lapping moron.
>
>Duey
There's the screwy Duey we've all come to know, showing his true
colors. Good job! And thanks for helping me make my point. (As if
most people don't already know what an asshole you are).
Cleanup Crew
Cleanup Crew
wrote:
>> Now here's something that might surprise a few people:
>
>Insanity usually does. :-)
And your need to jump all over this defensively, is telling in itself.
>> After investigations from various sources, the information turning up
>> in some circles is that Tomba may be a lot closer to Y-Nut than a lot
>> of people realize. Y-Nut has mentioned many times that his presence
>> in these groups was requested. Word has it from one direction, that
>> request was an invitation from Tomba alone. Other sources lean
>> towards Tomba and Y-Not being one and the same person. Other sources
>> suggest that Y-Nut is either LEA, or somehow affiliated with LEA.
>> These same sources suggest that Tomba is LEA, or somehow affiliated
>> with LEA, that he may be this Tolston character, and he may be
>> somebody that Y-Nut answers to in some capacity - if in fact they are
>> two different people. But no matter how it comes up, from whatever
>> direction, all early reports seem to be linking Y-Nut and Tomba
>> together in some close-knit way. More news on this as it develops.
>> Just watch your back, people. The dust will settle eventually, but
>> until then you really don't know who are what you're dealing with.
>>
>> Cleanup Crew
>>
>
>TomBa and I don't live near each other. :-)
Assuming you're not lying (like THAT would be some big surprise) and
you and Tomba are not one and the same, it wouldn't make any
difference
>Ninja knows who TomBa really is in real life.
Doe he really? How well do any of us know anyone?
>I know for a fact that if TomBa saw a policeman look in his direction,
>he would run for his life. Ask Ninja!
That you say this in view of the information I shared, is
meaningless.
>BC, Nox, Puck and Doc, know for a fact that TomBa are I different
>people. And they are TomBa's friends.
They might just be re-thinking that now. And well they should be.
>I work with TomBa in the asbl group sometimes, at his request, well, at
>his instant urging, occasionally, when I have time.
You previously declared you had nothing to do with that group. It was
a lie then, as many had seen you post there. Now you're suggesting
you post there at Tomba's "urging." How very interesting.
>"Close-knit"? I should ask him what kind of sweater he has. I have an
>old one from Iceland. But no dust has settled on it.
You will neither charm, nor disarm, with your feeble attempt humor.
>I have it on good authority, well, he told me, that TomBa is flattered
>by your attention, and that you think he's my boss. :-)
>I'm not all that overjoyed at the thought of having a boss, because I
>don't actually have one. I'm retired, and just do volunteer work. It's
>very rewarding, but not with money. I don't suppose you could
>understand about that.
I didn't say what I "think" about it. I reported what others told
me. F_Monk is also thought to be either you or tomba. What I
personally think is that you post throughout the groups using a number
of personas. I also think you write to yourself with these different
personas in the same threads. Some of your personas are obvious.
Others are slightly less obvious, but very suspicious.
>"Tolson" and I have never communicated Usenet LEA business with each
>other. Try to place that into your theories! :-)
Those who are investigating this matter will have the last word on
that.
>Your sources do a lot of leaning. They should lay off the booze, or
>they'll fall right over!
No booze, or leanings. Some sources have connections to people who
work for various news service providers, who have access to account
records and logs. When information is presented, I think I'll take
their words over yours.
>"The dust will settle eventually, but until then you really don't know
>who are what you're dealing with."
>That's true for ALL usenet posters. If you really want to do something
>to change that, why don't you start by telling us who YOU are? :-)
>
>
>In conclusion, I'll include this part of one of my recent posts in my
>discussion group:
>
>Identities can't be proved or disproved in Usenet, unless a person
>voluntarily gives up that information. In view of this, casting doubts
>on someone's identity, accusing them of being someone else, or
>requiring some proof of identity, is to be judged a serious personal
>attack, intended to motivate the victim to expose himself and violate
>his personal security and real life safety.
>THIS MUST *NOT* BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.
>To this end, I call on ALL of you to watch for this, and do your best
>to stop it where and when you see it happen. If someone does this, and
>we see some people who approve of this by their support of it, or their
>obvious inaction, we will know where we all stand, and who is to be
>less trusted than others.
>Remember, do NOT do to others what you wouldn't LOVE for all of them to
>do to you. Because they might. :-)
Your attempt to present helpful posts will disarm no one, anymore than
your attempt at humor will. LEA poses as Johns and hookers, to catch
hookers and Johns. It's all a big setup.
>Your attempt at division, will not multiply with reasoning people.
Presenting information in an effort to warn people about those who
would cause them harm, namely YOU, is not divisive. Your attempt to
diminish the message, by diminishing the messenger, is transparent and
will not work.
>Y Not
>
>
>PS.
>TomBa and I didn't establish contact with each other, until well after
>the homeanon business. I don't remember his posting in that situation
>at all, so I can't comment on the extract that abc posted.
>As for me, I was assisting a civilian organization, that was
>coordinating it's activities with the LEA. So my connection with LEA
>with that, was rather tenuous
Call it what you will. You are LEA. Anyone who has paid any
attention in these groups has a good sense of that, without an
investigative report. You have declared that you are not interested
in child porn. You have declared that you do not post or collect
child porn. You have declared that you are straight. You have
declared that your only interest in these groups is to protect
children. These declarations put you in opposition of everyone who
comes to these groups to share images of child porn. By your own
declarations, you are a friend to no one in these groups. Those who
support you are either fools, or they're on the same page as you and
should be equally feared.
Cleanup Crew
Cleanup Crew
>Sheesh! Was that Duey?
The one and only. This is who Duey really is. 'Course, he didn't
always used to post with the name Duey :-)
>Until I read your message I though it was just ol' Gollum going off on one
>again to try and cause a little diversion.
>
>I just read his words and moved on thinking to myself, "Well, Gollum's back
>- this should start getting interesting."
>
>Then I read your message and realised it was *Duey* sounding off!
>
>I wonder if they *both* get to see the same doctor on a discount arranged by
>the (P)sychologist? (sic)
Cleanup Crew