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GaryN
Apr 23, 2012, 2:18:37 PM4/23/12
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Or is the world full of morons?
I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
Water Park.
OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
for being complete, careless, idiots.
It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
situation that *THEY* put them in!
And people say I'm irresponsible!
I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
gary
--
"When California slides into the ocean, like the mystics and statistics
say it will
I predict this motel will be standing
Until I pay my bill"
Warren Zevon.
I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
Water Park.
OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
for being complete, careless, idiots.
It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
situation that *THEY* put them in!
And people say I'm irresponsible!
I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
gary
--
"When California slides into the ocean, like the mystics and statistics
say it will
I predict this motel will be standing
Until I pay my bill"
Warren Zevon.
Free Lunch
Apr 23, 2012, 7:49:24 PM4/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:18:37 -0500, GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk>
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>Or is the world full of morons?
>
>I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
>spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
>
>Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
>Water Park.
>
>OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
>if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
>rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
>then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
>
>But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
>for being complete, careless, idiots.
>
>It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
>situation that *THEY* put them in!
>
>And people say I'm irresponsible!
>
>I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
>I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
>
>Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
>fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
>held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
>
>However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>Or is the world full of morons?
>
>I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
>spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
>
>Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
>Water Park.
>
>OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
>if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
>rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
>then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
>
>But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
>for being complete, careless, idiots.
>
>It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
>situation that *THEY* put them in!
>
>And people say I'm irresponsible!
>
>I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
>I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
>
>Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
>fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
>held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
>
>However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
Chris Zakes
Apr 23, 2012, 10:07:17 PM4/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:49:24 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
(snip)
>V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>
>Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
It's called "Covering Your Ass." Such disclaimers are there mostly to
keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
"Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
held responsible for his stupidity."
-Chris Zakes
Texas
--
Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
(snip)
>V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>
>Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
"Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
held responsible for his stupidity."
-Chris Zakes
Texas
--
Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
Nigel Stapley
Apr 24, 2012, 1:50:53 AM4/24/12
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Chris Zakes wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:49:24 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>> V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>> veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>> products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>> product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>> someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>> there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>> done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>>
>> Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>> Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>> warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
>
> It's called "Covering Your Ass." Such disclaimers are there mostly to
> keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
> hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
> "Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
> held responsible for his stupidity."
>
A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known supermarket.
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:49:24 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>> V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>> veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>> products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>> product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>> someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>> there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>> done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>>
>> Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>> Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>> warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
>
> It's called "Covering Your Ass." Such disclaimers are there mostly to
> keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
> hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
> "Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
> held responsible for his stupidity."
>
On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark you):
"Warning! Contains egg"
I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
www.thejudge.me.uk
<reply-to will bounce>
Chris Zakes
Apr 24, 2012, 7:55:10 AM4/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, an orbital mind-control laser
caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
(snip)
>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known supermarket.
>
>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark you):
>
>"Warning! Contains egg"
>
>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
I think my favorite product warning label was the instructions on a
package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
(snip)
>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known supermarket.
>
>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark you):
>
>"Warning! Contains egg"
>
>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
Reader in Invisible Writings
Apr 24, 2012, 11:00:11 AM4/24/12
to
On 23/04/2012 19:18, GaryN wrote:
> Or is the world full of morons?
>
> I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
> spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
>
> Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
> Water Park.
>
> OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
> if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
> rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
> then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
>
> But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
> for being complete, careless, idiots.
>
> It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
> situation that *THEY* put them in!
>
> And people say I'm irresponsible!
>
> I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
> I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
>
> Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
> fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
> held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
>
> However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
>
>
> gary
>
I concur.
> Or is the world full of morons?
>
> I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
> spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
>
> Nobody ever taught her to swim and she drowned when they took her to a
> Water Park.
>
> OK, I'll agree that a certain amount of lifeguard stuff is sensible but
> if you put your 3 kids *NONE OF WHOM HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO SWIM* into a
> rubber boat they don't know how to handle on a 1/2 mile wide lake, and
> then you wander off, don't be surprised if the inevitable happens.
>
> But apparently it all has to be somebody elses fault. Not their fault
> for being complete, careless, idiots.
>
> It's apparently someone elses responsibility to save their kids from the
> situation that *THEY* put them in!
>
> And people say I'm irresponsible!
>
> I am irresponsible but only on my own behalf, I'm not fucking stupid and
> I don't blame other people for my irresponsibility.
>
> Oh and it's St Georges day. Please do not to send your kids out to
> fight dragons armed only with a lance. The English government cannot be
> held responsible for any involuntary incineration!
>
> However much of our tax money you spend trying to say so.
>
>
> gary
>
We have a fountain in Cardiff that a toddler fell into* and nearly
drowned** last September. It was drained and the Health and Safety
investigation is still on going to determine if it needs to be fenced
off or filled in. This case is 'difficult' as the normal 'knee jerk'
solutions just mentioned would have national implications as the
fountain shares features with many others across the country. Can you
imagine the uproar if they filled in the fountains in Trafalgar Square***.
Of course suggesting that the parents were negligent for not knowing
where there two year old child was may have been their fault is totally
unacceptable and anyone saying so would be pilloried.
*he was two years old and the parents were reporting him missing as the
nearby (300 yards away) police station at the time he was being pulled
out of the 2 - 3 foot of water having initially being mistaken for a
floating coat.
**not sure what the final outcome was/is but he was in hospital for a
long time.
***IIRC there have been adult drownings in them from time to time (New
Year's Eve)
--
Reader in Invisible Writings
Something to Ponder on!
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 12:02:08 PM4/24/12
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Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:rt4dp7h7dfp9m43bd...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known
>>supermarket.
>>
>>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark
>>you):
>>
>>"Warning! Contains egg"
>>
>>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
>
> I think my favorite product warning label was the instructions on a
> package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
> for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
>
> -Chris Zakes
> Texas
I love the health warning on my tobacco pouches "Smoking is highly
addictive, don't start!"
It's on the *back* of the pouch so you have to buy the stuff before you
can read the health warning!
I bet you can count on the fingers of a blind carpenters hand the number
of people saying "Oh I've just spent £4 on baccy and papers but it's
addictive so I shall throw the lot in the nearest bin"
news:rt4dp7h7dfp9m43bd...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known
>>supermarket.
>>
>>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark
>>you):
>>
>>"Warning! Contains egg"
>>
>>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
>
> I think my favorite product warning label was the instructions on a
> package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
> for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
>
> -Chris Zakes
> Texas
addictive, don't start!"
It's on the *back* of the pouch so you have to buy the stuff before you
can read the health warning!
I bet you can count on the fingers of a blind carpenters hand the number
of people saying "Oh I've just spent £4 on baccy and papers but it's
addictive so I shall throw the lot in the nearest bin"
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 6:54:35 PM4/24/12
to
Reader in Invisible Writings <markfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:jn6f5s$2mb0$1...@mud.stack.nl:
Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
"I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't press
charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
Errr, Simple.
Because you don't press charges? Because they are fed up with being
called out by a fucking idiot who returns to an abusive partner?
Because if you continue to call them there is a thing called "Wasting
Police Time" and they might bang you up for that just to get you off
their books?
Apparently she still goes to the same pubs and clubs if she tries to
leave him!
Wake up, smell the flowers, and leave completely, you brain dead bint!
I know it's not that easy but if you can get it together to run away
from the bastard at all then do it properly.
Dump the compulsory mobile (keeping the SIM card) get on the first coach
or train to somewhere else, buy cheap PAYG mobile when you arrive.
Hardly rocket science, and if you don't know your friends numbers then
they are not friends.
I know I'm inclined to rant about this sort of thing but my attitude if
you are being repeatedly beaten up is "Piss off somewhere else and start
afresh!" People disappear in the UK on a regular basis and not all of
them are found on riverbeds.
My contingency plans for such a necessity are in place(s). As are
vehicles, kit, tools/weapons and money. I'm not a 'Survivalist' as such
but my family didn't raise stupid children!
news:jn6f5s$2mb0$1...@mud.stack.nl:
"I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't press
charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
Errr, Simple.
Because you don't press charges? Because they are fed up with being
called out by a fucking idiot who returns to an abusive partner?
Because if you continue to call them there is a thing called "Wasting
Police Time" and they might bang you up for that just to get you off
their books?
Apparently she still goes to the same pubs and clubs if she tries to
leave him!
Wake up, smell the flowers, and leave completely, you brain dead bint!
I know it's not that easy but if you can get it together to run away
from the bastard at all then do it properly.
Dump the compulsory mobile (keeping the SIM card) get on the first coach
or train to somewhere else, buy cheap PAYG mobile when you arrive.
Hardly rocket science, and if you don't know your friends numbers then
they are not friends.
I know I'm inclined to rant about this sort of thing but my attitude if
you are being repeatedly beaten up is "Piss off somewhere else and start
afresh!" People disappear in the UK on a regular basis and not all of
them are found on riverbeds.
My contingency plans for such a necessity are in place(s). As are
vehicles, kit, tools/weapons and money. I'm not a 'Survivalist' as such
but my family didn't raise stupid children!
Free Lunch
Apr 24, 2012, 7:30:21 PM4/24/12
to
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:07:17 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
I understand the theory.
I just prefer the idea that judges would know that when a plaintiff has
been a complete fool that is sufficient reason to laugh them out of
court.
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
I just prefer the idea that judges would know that when a plaintiff has
been a complete fool that is sufficient reason to laugh them out of
court.
Free Lunch
Apr 24, 2012, 7:32:21 PM4/24/12
to
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, Nigel Stapley
<un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:49:24 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>>> veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>>> products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>>> product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>>> someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>>> there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>>> done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>>>
>>> Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>>> Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>>> warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
>>
>> It's called "Covering Your Ass." Such disclaimers are there mostly to
>> keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
>> hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
>> "Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
>> held responsible for his stupidity."
>>
>
>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known supermarket.
>
>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark you):
>
>"Warning! Contains egg"
Yes, and my peanut jar contains peanuts. Really, if I have allergies and
don't know what the actual item I am allergic to looks like, I have far
more serious problems than a merely life-threatening allergy.
>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
The marzipan contains nuts, dontcha know, so that will have a warning,
too.
<un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:49:24 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> to write:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> V-8, a brand that started as a tomato juice mixed with seven other
>>> veggie juices and has now branched out into a number of related juice
>>> products has Jackie Chan doing unexpected things in swapping some V-8
>>> product or other for a boring orange juice or lemonade or whatever that
>>> someone just poured. Jackie drops in, generally from a nearby roof, and
>>> there is a small disclaimer in the ad telling people that this is being
>>> done by a professional stunt person and should not be tried at home.
>>>
>>> Does anyone think that anyone who is fool enough to try to emulate a
>>> Jackie Chan stunt at home is smart enough to be deterred by a little
>>> warning in the ad (assuming they have bothered to learn to read)?
>>
>> It's called "Covering Your Ass." Such disclaimers are there mostly to
>> keep the lawyers happy. If someone *does* do something stupid, gets
>> hurt and tries to sue, the lawyers can point to the disclaimer and say
>> "Look! It's right there, we *told* him not to do this, so we can't be
>> held responsible for his stupidity."
>>
>
>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known supermarket.
>
>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark you):
>
>"Warning! Contains egg"
don't know what the actual item I am allergic to looks like, I have far
more serious problems than a merely life-threatening allergy.
>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
too.
Free Lunch
Apr 24, 2012, 8:10:07 PM4/24/12
to
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:54:35 -0500, GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk>
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
And help keep you safe and, possibly, but let's not get too hopeful, you
might see the light while sitting safely.
>Apparently she still goes to the same pubs and clubs if she tries to
>leave him!
>
>Wake up, smell the flowers, and leave completely, you brain dead bint!
>
>I know it's not that easy but if you can get it together to run away
>from the bastard at all then do it properly.
>
>Dump the compulsory mobile (keeping the SIM card) get on the first coach
>or train to somewhere else, buy cheap PAYG mobile when you arrive.
>
>Hardly rocket science, and if you don't know your friends numbers then
>they are not friends.
>
>I know I'm inclined to rant about this sort of thing but my attitude if
>you are being repeatedly beaten up is "Piss off somewhere else and start
>afresh!" People disappear in the UK on a regular basis and not all of
>them are found on riverbeds.
>
>My contingency plans for such a necessity are in place(s). As are
>vehicles, kit, tools/weapons and money. I'm not a 'Survivalist' as such
>but my family didn't raise stupid children!
Some people just need to have a minder for their entire life.
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
might see the light while sitting safely.
>Apparently she still goes to the same pubs and clubs if she tries to
>leave him!
>
>Wake up, smell the flowers, and leave completely, you brain dead bint!
>
>I know it's not that easy but if you can get it together to run away
>from the bastard at all then do it properly.
>
>Dump the compulsory mobile (keeping the SIM card) get on the first coach
>or train to somewhere else, buy cheap PAYG mobile when you arrive.
>
>Hardly rocket science, and if you don't know your friends numbers then
>they are not friends.
>
>I know I'm inclined to rant about this sort of thing but my attitude if
>you are being repeatedly beaten up is "Piss off somewhere else and start
>afresh!" People disappear in the UK on a regular basis and not all of
>them are found on riverbeds.
>
>My contingency plans for such a necessity are in place(s). As are
>vehicles, kit, tools/weapons and money. I'm not a 'Survivalist' as such
>but my family didn't raise stupid children!
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 8:40:51 PM4/24/12
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Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in
news:qsdep758t1auce55l...@4ax.com:
The Christmas cake my OD makes probably contains enough incendiary
materials to contravene International weapons limitation treaties [1]
and the marzipan and icing probably exceed the requirement for military
flak rags!
I'm sure she puts a kevlar layer between the 2! Bloody sure it's the
only Christmas cake that needs a chainsaw to cut!
The actual preparation of said cake is shrouded in secrecy but it starts
at least 2 months before Christmas and involves large amounts of Brandy,
Whisky and Port being infused. Which is only right and proper.
Either myself or my sister may get the recipe when she pops her clogs
but it'll be a Nanny Ogg style job.
Some of that,
Bit of this
etc
So we can probably make it up as we go along.
gary
[1]Bit like my garage!
news:qsdep758t1auce55l...@4ax.com:
materials to contravene International weapons limitation treaties [1]
and the marzipan and icing probably exceed the requirement for military
flak rags!
I'm sure she puts a kevlar layer between the 2! Bloody sure it's the
only Christmas cake that needs a chainsaw to cut!
The actual preparation of said cake is shrouded in secrecy but it starts
at least 2 months before Christmas and involves large amounts of Brandy,
Whisky and Port being infused. Which is only right and proper.
Either myself or my sister may get the recipe when she pops her clogs
but it'll be a Nanny Ogg style job.
Some of that,
Bit of this
etc
So we can probably make it up as we go along.
gary
[1]Bit like my garage!
jgharston
Apr 24, 2012, 9:09:47 PM4/24/12
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GaryN wrote:
> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>
> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't press
> charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
Was that this evening's Newsnight? I spent 20 minutes shouting
> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>
> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't press
> charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
"just leave him, you idiot" at the TV.
"He took my phone away..." so? use somebody else's phone, or the
house phone, or a phone box.
"I couldn't get home it was X miles away" so? go to an advice
centre, they'll give you directions to somewhere that can
give you a train ticket to get back home.
But the one that took the biscuit:
"I didn't know what a refuge was..."
So they watch Eastenders, Corrie, Emmerdale, Brookie, whatever
with their fingers in their ears, and walk around with their
eyes close so they don't accidently see the covers of
newspapers and magazines in shops, and spent their entire
schooling with their fingers in their ears to ensure they
didn't accidently hear somebody mentioning what refuges were?
JGH
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 9:39:20 PM4/24/12
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Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in
news:04gep71c6sgvvkug8...@4ax.com:
<snip>
>>
>>Because you don't press charges? Because they are fed up with being
>>called out by a fucking idiot who returns to an abusive partner?
>>Because if you continue to call them there is a thing called "Wasting
>>Police Time" and they might bang you up for that just to get you off
>>their books?
>
> And help keep you safe and, possibly, but let's not get too hopeful, you
> might see the light while sitting safely.
People who keep returning will continue to do so, fairly established fact.
>>Because you don't press charges? Because they are fed up with being
>>called out by a fucking idiot who returns to an abusive partner?
>>Because if you continue to call them there is a thing called "Wasting
>>Police Time" and they might bang you up for that just to get you off
>>their books?
>
> And help keep you safe and, possibly, but let's not get too hopeful, you
> might see the light while sitting safely.
In this case the woman concerned made sure that she would be easy to find.
I'm sorry to sound callous but either run like hell or just go and get
beaten up again.
I've left the life I had and started somewhere new for reasons that I don't
wish to discuss. Not, I would hasten to add, violence or abuse or criminal
activity. Just that where I was didn't suit me anymore.
> Some people just need to have a minder for their entire life.
for the last few years, the SO who taxis me around when I'm too ill for the
bus. I buy her petrol and fish'n'chips. She currently has 3 computer
systems supplied by me, and reliable builders when work is required on her
properties.
Equitable arrangement.
She also happens to be a tall, slim, sexy (my opinion) brunette who
fancies me. Or has been doing a damn good job of faking it for 8 years!
In addition she likes my biker friends rather more than the people she knew
before meeting me, and they like her although she's not a biker per-se, or
at all.[1]
Strange the way things work out.<shrug>
gary
[1]She's teetotal and you should see how fast people scramble to make her a
cup of tea at rallies!
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 10:06:02 PM4/24/12
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jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> GaryN wrote:
>> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>>
>> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't
>> press charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
>
> Was that this evening's Newsnight? I spent 20 minutes shouting
> "just leave him, you idiot" at the TV.
>
> "He took my phone away..." so? use somebody else's phone, or the
> house phone, or a phone box.
>
> "I couldn't get home it was X miles away" so? go to an advice
> centre, they'll give you directions to somewhere that can
> give you a train ticket to get back home.
The word "Walk" occurs but she's a Londoner. Strange really. They
recently had an event where people ran 26 miles but she can't walk home.
> But the one that took the biscuit:
> "I didn't know what a refuge was..."
> So they watch Eastenders, Corrie, Emmerdale, Brookie, whatever
> with their fingers in their ears, and walk around with their
> eyes close so they don't accidently see the covers of
> newspapers and magazines in shops, and spent their entire
> schooling with their fingers in their ears to ensure they
> didn't accidently hear somebody mentioning what refuges were?
>
> JGH
>
Exactly that one.
I always watch BBC 6pm news and Newsnight. I also read Private Eye.
Sort of relieved to find out I'm not the only one!
And not the only one shouting at the TV, although my language may have
been a bit saltier than yours. The SO's was even worse! When she
translated from the Tibetan she was swearing in I was shocked!
The bits about Yaks were, errrr, interesting!
Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool. Even
in the shallow end!
news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> GaryN wrote:
>> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>>
>> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't
>> press charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
>
> Was that this evening's Newsnight? I spent 20 minutes shouting
> "just leave him, you idiot" at the TV.
>
> "He took my phone away..." so? use somebody else's phone, or the
> house phone, or a phone box.
>
> "I couldn't get home it was X miles away" so? go to an advice
> centre, they'll give you directions to somewhere that can
> give you a train ticket to get back home.
recently had an event where people ran 26 miles but she can't walk home.
> But the one that took the biscuit:
> "I didn't know what a refuge was..."
> So they watch Eastenders, Corrie, Emmerdale, Brookie, whatever
> with their fingers in their ears, and walk around with their
> eyes close so they don't accidently see the covers of
> newspapers and magazines in shops, and spent their entire
> schooling with their fingers in their ears to ensure they
> didn't accidently hear somebody mentioning what refuges were?
>
> JGH
>
I always watch BBC 6pm news and Newsnight. I also read Private Eye.
Sort of relieved to find out I'm not the only one!
And not the only one shouting at the TV, although my language may have
been a bit saltier than yours. The SO's was even worse! When she
translated from the Tibetan she was swearing in I was shocked!
The bits about Yaks were, errrr, interesting!
Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool. Even
in the shallow end!
GaryN
Apr 24, 2012, 10:12:00 PM4/24/12
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GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote in
news:XnsA0401F8637021...@216.196.109.145:
> jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4-8e9f-b5f94ef17ba5
The woman in the article. Absolutely not, under any circumstances, my
SO. Because I like my bits where they are and not in a different
continent!
news:XnsA0401F8637021...@216.196.109.145:
> jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4-8e9f-b5f94ef17ba5
SO. Because I like my bits where they are and not in a different
continent!
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Apr 25, 2012, 1:48:26 AM4/25/12
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On 2012-04-24 19:30:21 -0400, Free Lunch said:
> I just prefer the idea that judges would know that when a plaintiff has
> been a complete fool that is sufficient reason to laugh them out of
> court.
There was a time that could happen.
> I just prefer the idea that judges would know that when a plaintiff has
> been a complete fool that is sufficient reason to laugh them out of
> court.
My great-great grandfather Sam Goodwin was a partner in a small
railroad in Pennsylvania; he owned one-third of it. In 1861 he sold
his share to his two partners because he'd concluded the line could no
longer compete successfully. The partners were thrilled, since there
was a war starting and they figured they'd get rich hauling troops and
armaments.
They did make money until 1865, when suddenly the war was over and the
government canceled all their contracts. Then they discovered that the
line wasn't competitive, and quickly went bankrupt.
They sued my great-great grandfather, claiming he should have warned
them that the railroad wasn't going to be profitable after the war.
The judge asked them why they thought Mr. Goodwin had been willing to
sell in the first place, and found for my esteemed ancestor, saying
there is no duty under the law to protect someone else from their own
stupidity.
That was 1866. Not sure it would go down that way now.
--
Now available on Amazon or B&N: One-Eyed Jack.
Greg Kraft could see ghosts. That didn't mean he could stop them...
Chris Zakes
Apr 25, 2012, 9:20:02 AM4/25/12
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tobacco products, so they're not going to simply ban it, but they make
themselves (and the anti-tobacco folks) feel better by mandating
warning labels.
On the other hand, how big a rock would you have to live under to
*not* know that tobacco is both addictive and carcinogenic, even
without a warning label?
Chris Zakes
Apr 25, 2012, 9:21:26 AM4/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:30:21 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
Well, yes, one would hope. But if the news stories can be believed,
all too often it's a vain hope.
all too often it's a vain hope.
Lesley Weston
Apr 25, 2012, 10:49:45 AM4/25/12
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On 04-24-12 7:06 PM, GaryN wrote:
> jgharston<j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
>> GaryN wrote:
>>> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>>>
>>> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't
>>> press charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
>>
>> Was that this evening's Newsnight? I spent 20 minutes shouting
>> "just leave him, you idiot" at the TV.
>>
>> "He took my phone away..." so? use somebody else's phone, or the
>> house phone, or a phone box.
>>
>> "I couldn't get home it was X miles away" so? go to an advice
>> centre, they'll give you directions to somewhere that can
>> give you a train ticket to get back home.
>
> The word "Walk" occurs but she's a Londoner. Strange really. They
> recently had an event where people ran 26 miles but she can't walk home.
How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
> jgharston<j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> news:6e13bf04-8ed2-4ce4...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
>> GaryN wrote:
>>> Just saw another report, this one about domestic violence.
>>>
>>> "I've called the police 20 times and they arrest him but I don't
>>> press charges. Why don't they do something about it?"
>>
>> Was that this evening's Newsnight? I spent 20 minutes shouting
>> "just leave him, you idiot" at the TV.
>>
>> "He took my phone away..." so? use somebody else's phone, or the
>> house phone, or a phone box.
>>
>> "I couldn't get home it was X miles away" so? go to an advice
>> centre, they'll give you directions to somewhere that can
>> give you a train ticket to get back home.
>
> The word "Walk" occurs but she's a Londoner. Strange really. They
> recently had an event where people ran 26 miles but she can't walk home.
<snip>
>
> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool. Even
> in the shallow end!
It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself, but the
> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool. Even
> in the shallow end!
difficulty is that she has given her loyalty to the creep. Obviously she
shouldn't have, but she has, and once given it can't be taken back.
There are no children mentioned, but in many such cases the woman finds
it even more difficult to leave because then she will be left with
children to support and no income. Even if she has a job before she
leaves she can't keep it because he will easily find her there, and
these days "so get another job" isn't really an answer.
I only know what people have posted here about it, but it's possible
that this particular case is one where she's seeking attention and her
sad story and repeated calls to the police are just part of the game
she's playing with her husband/lover. Even if it is, that doesn't mean
that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
finding it impossible to leave.
Lesley.
--
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Lesley Weston
Apr 25, 2012, 10:52:56 AM4/25/12
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stone hippopotamuseseses. I'm sure somebody must be allergic to them.
GaryN
Apr 25, 2012, 11:02:41 AM4/25/12
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Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
<snip>
> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
"He kept kicking me and stamping on my face" IIRC. Didn't look like
anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
> <snip>
>>
>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>> Even in the shallow end!
>
> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
So simple that she decided to take the case to her MP?
Watch the clip and decide for yourself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
<snippetry>
> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
> finding it impossible to leave.
I never said that, I just think she *SPECIFICALLY* is an attention
seeking idiot.
I also think I'm an idiot but I don't blame other people for it!
news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
<snip>
> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
> <snip>
>>
>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>> Even in the shallow end!
>
> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
Watch the clip and decide for yourself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
<snippetry>
> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
> finding it impossible to leave.
seeking idiot.
I also think I'm an idiot but I don't blame other people for it!
GaryN
Apr 25, 2012, 11:37:09 AM4/25/12
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GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote in
news:XnsA040A332F8F23...@216.196.109.145:
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>
>> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
>
> "He kept kicking me and stamping on my face" IIRC. Didn't look like
> anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>>> Even in the shallow end!
>>
>> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
>
> So simple that she decided to take the case to her MP?
>
> Watch the clip and decide for yourself.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
>
> <snippetry>
>
>> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
>> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
>> finding it impossible to leave.
>
> I never said that, I just think she *SPECIFICALLY* is an attention
> seeking idiot.
>
> I also think I'm an idiot but I don't blame other people for it!
>
> gary
>
>
I recognise that domestic violence happens, but if you put yourself *of
your own volition*, repeatedly, in that situation then the
responsibility is your own.
The girl in the video has never been kicked in the face; it breaks your
cheekbones, nose and sometimes the occipital bones[1]. Trust me on
this! Yet hers is perfect.
If somebody stamped all over her where are the hospital records?
I don't know why she's doing what she's doing but she has never taken a
hit to the face apart from a slap.
Fair enough. It is necessary for the problem to be addresed. But not
championed by some little London trollop who is probably lying through
her perfect teeth to get on TV!
She may actually do more harm than good but she's got her 15 minutes of
fame.
Cynic? Me?
Bloody right!
gary
[1]Look it up. It's why my right eye doesn't open fully. Disagreement
5 years ago.
news:XnsA040A332F8F23...@216.196.109.145:
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>
>> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
>
> "He kept kicking me and stamping on my face" IIRC. Didn't look like
> anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>>> Even in the shallow end!
>>
>> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
>
> So simple that she decided to take the case to her MP?
>
> Watch the clip and decide for yourself.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
>
> <snippetry>
>
>> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
>> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
>> finding it impossible to leave.
>
> I never said that, I just think she *SPECIFICALLY* is an attention
> seeking idiot.
>
> I also think I'm an idiot but I don't blame other people for it!
>
> gary
>
>
your own volition*, repeatedly, in that situation then the
responsibility is your own.
The girl in the video has never been kicked in the face; it breaks your
cheekbones, nose and sometimes the occipital bones[1]. Trust me on
this! Yet hers is perfect.
If somebody stamped all over her where are the hospital records?
I don't know why she's doing what she's doing but she has never taken a
hit to the face apart from a slap.
Fair enough. It is necessary for the problem to be addresed. But not
championed by some little London trollop who is probably lying through
her perfect teeth to get on TV!
She may actually do more harm than good but she's got her 15 minutes of
fame.
Cynic? Me?
Bloody right!
gary
[1]Look it up. It's why my right eye doesn't open fully. Disagreement
5 years ago.
Lesley Weston
Apr 25, 2012, 1:06:46 PM4/25/12
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of land that was useless for anything. The Salvation Army asked if they
could buy it to build a meeting hall (I don't think they call it a
church?) and, being a generous man and since the land was rendered
useless by the stream running under it, he gave it to them for free,
having warned them about the stream. They built their hall and soon
afterwards it fell down. Nobody was injured.
They sued, saying that he hadn't warned them strongly enough. I forget
who won the first round, but the loser appealed in a higher court and
the loser in that one appealed again. It went all the way to the House
of Lords, which found for my great-grandfather. So common-sense was
finally vindicated, but by that time all the family's money had been
spent on the court cases.
Robert Carnegie
Apr 25, 2012, 6:29:06 PM4/25/12
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On Monday, April 23, 2012 7:18:37 PM UTC+1, GaryN wrote:
> Or is the world full of morons?
>
> I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
> spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
Okay, what I tried to post before. It's this case:
> Or is the world full of morons?
>
> I've just seen a news report about a family who have spent 2 years
> spending taxpayers money on an inquest into their daughters death.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17756704
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9659150.Inquest_hears_of_moment_teenager_s_body_found_in_water/
I don't know what your version says, but AIUI
an inquest is always held after an, er,
unexpected death, and is liable to be
"adjourned" for years for investigation.
The dead girl was 15, could not swim but was
described as "confident" in the water, which
is a bit dim.
An 18 year old male relative had wandered off
to feed his face.
Kajil Devi's father apparently doesn't speak
English. I don't know if the others do.
Evidently no one was wearing a life jacket.
This death is horrific and stupid and, as I
judge from the reported evidence, nobody's
fault but theirs, including the girl's and
the two other children's.
Free Lunch
Apr 25, 2012, 6:41:58 PM4/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:20:02 -0500, Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:02:08 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>caused GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> to write:
>
>>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:rt4dp7h7dfp9m43bd...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, an orbital mind-control laser
>>> caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known
>>>>supermarket.
>>>>
>>>>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark
>>>>you):
>>>>
>>>>"Warning! Contains egg"
>>>>
>>>>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>>>>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
>>>
>>> I think my favorite product warning label was the instructions on a
>>> package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
>>> for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
>>>
>>> -Chris Zakes
>>> Texas
>>
>>I love the health warning on my tobacco pouches "Smoking is highly
>>addictive, don't start!"
>>
>>It's on the *back* of the pouch so you have to buy the stuff before you
>>can read the health warning!
>>
>>I bet you can count on the fingers of a blind carpenters hand the number
>>of people saying "Oh I've just spent Ł4 on baccy and papers but it's
centers for both state and federal governments.
wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:02:08 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>caused GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> to write:
>
>>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:rt4dp7h7dfp9m43bd...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:50:53 +0100, an orbital mind-control laser
>>> caused Nigel Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> to write:
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>>A few years ago, I bought half a dozen eggs from a well-known
>>>>supermarket.
>>>>
>>>>On opening the carton, I saw this on the inside (on the *inside*, mark
>>>>you):
>>>>
>>>>"Warning! Contains egg"
>>>>
>>>>I suppose this was to disabuse anyone who thought they had bought
>>>>kevlar, marzipan, or a minor suburb of Budapest.
>>>
>>> I think my favorite product warning label was the instructions on a
>>> package of frozen fish sticks, where after telling you to cook them
>>> for 30 minutes at 400F, they warn you "Caution, fish will be hot."
>>>
>>> -Chris Zakes
>>> Texas
>>
>>I love the health warning on my tobacco pouches "Smoking is highly
>>addictive, don't start!"
>>
>>It's on the *back* of the pouch so you have to buy the stuff before you
>>can read the health warning!
>>
>>I bet you can count on the fingers of a blind carpenters hand the number
>>addictive so I shall throw the lot in the nearest bin"
>>
>>gary
>
>Well, of course. The government *needs* the tax money from those
>tobacco products, so they're not going to simply ban it, but they make
>themselves (and the anti-tobacco folks) feel better by mandating
>warning labels.
Kind of why Prohibition was ended. Taxes on alcohol were serious profit
>>
>>gary
>
>Well, of course. The government *needs* the tax money from those
>tobacco products, so they're not going to simply ban it, but they make
>themselves (and the anti-tobacco folks) feel better by mandating
>warning labels.
centers for both state and federal governments.
GaryN
Apr 25, 2012, 8:24:29 PM4/25/12
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in
news:26593992.4239.1335392947085.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbx14:
<snip>
> The dead girl was 15, could not swim but was
> described as "confident" in the water, which
> is a bit dim.
>
> An 18 year old male relative had wandered off
> to feed his face.
>
> Kajil Devi's father apparently doesn't speak
> English. I don't know if the others do.
>
> Evidently no one was wearing a life jacket.
>
> This death is horrific and stupid and, as I
> judge from the reported evidence, nobody's
> fault but theirs, including the girl's and
> the two other children's.
>
I don't consider the death of a child, particularly a stupid and
avoidable one such as this, to be anything other than horrific.
But, and it's a big but, it is no good saying that "Someone else should
have done something". It was your kid you stupid bastards!
My niece has her own pony and has been taught to ride, she falls off
sometimes but doesn't complain. She (FFS don't tell SS about this or
they'll have us for child slavery) insists on mucking out *her* ponies
stable.
She's been taught to swim, as much as a 3.5 year old can, and knows
enough to lay on her back and float. She knows about guns[1] and is
insistent that Granny and Uncle Gary teach her to shoot (her mother
refuses to be involved). I'll probably have to when she's big enough to
hold a light air rifle with low recoil (got an old Meteor in the loft I
think). But she's had firearms safety drummed into her.[2]
What she has is a basic set of skills for survival. She knows how not
to die. She also likes the tales of Beatrix Potter.
In short she may not grow up to be a genius but she won't drown in a
Water Park because the people who brought her up didn't bother teaching
her basics!
She'll probably find a far more inventive way of topping herself!
gary
[1]You do, living in the country.
[2]All my family have the same and you don't get to touch a weapon until
you know, and follow, the safety rules.
news:26593992.4239.1335392947085.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbx14:
<snip>
> The dead girl was 15, could not swim but was
> described as "confident" in the water, which
> is a bit dim.
>
> An 18 year old male relative had wandered off
> to feed his face.
>
> Kajil Devi's father apparently doesn't speak
> English. I don't know if the others do.
>
> Evidently no one was wearing a life jacket.
>
> This death is horrific and stupid and, as I
> judge from the reported evidence, nobody's
> fault but theirs, including the girl's and
> the two other children's.
>
avoidable one such as this, to be anything other than horrific.
But, and it's a big but, it is no good saying that "Someone else should
have done something". It was your kid you stupid bastards!
My niece has her own pony and has been taught to ride, she falls off
sometimes but doesn't complain. She (FFS don't tell SS about this or
they'll have us for child slavery) insists on mucking out *her* ponies
stable.
She's been taught to swim, as much as a 3.5 year old can, and knows
enough to lay on her back and float. She knows about guns[1] and is
insistent that Granny and Uncle Gary teach her to shoot (her mother
refuses to be involved). I'll probably have to when she's big enough to
hold a light air rifle with low recoil (got an old Meteor in the loft I
think). But she's had firearms safety drummed into her.[2]
What she has is a basic set of skills for survival. She knows how not
to die. She also likes the tales of Beatrix Potter.
In short she may not grow up to be a genius but she won't drown in a
Water Park because the people who brought her up didn't bother teaching
her basics!
She'll probably find a far more inventive way of topping herself!
gary
[1]You do, living in the country.
[2]All my family have the same and you don't get to touch a weapon until
you know, and follow, the safety rules.
Lesley Weston
Apr 26, 2012, 9:11:46 AM4/26/12
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On 04-25-12 8:02 AM, GaryN wrote:
> Lesley Weston<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>
>> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
>
> "He kept kicking me and stamping on my face" IIRC. Didn't look like
> anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
It happened two years before that. She would have recovered by now, at
> Lesley Weston<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:jn92ua$18m6$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>
>> How badly beaten-up was she at that point?
>
> "He kept kicking me and stamping on my face" IIRC. Didn't look like
> anyone had stamped on her face, ever!
least as far as her appearance goes. But at the time, walking may not
have been an option for her, depending on which bits of her were damaged
and how badly.
>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>>> Even in the shallow end!
>>
>> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
>
> So simple that she decided to take the case to her MP?
Good thing she did. The more light that's shone on these cases the better.
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Frankly, and please don't anyone take this the wrong way, if she is
>>> really that stupid we're better off without her in the gene pool.
>>> Even in the shallow end!
>>
>> It's not that simple. She may or may not be simple herself
>
> So simple that she decided to take the case to her MP?
Perhaps the police will try to be more sensitive in such cases now, with
their special new training. Really not a good idea to ask her if she
wants to press charges while he's right there next to her, especially
since when she did he spent one night in the cells and the next day he
was back looking for her. If she had found out on her own without help
from the police or anyone else how to contact a refuge, they would have
turned her away because they were already overloaded.
>
> <snippetry>
>
>> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
>> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
>> finding it impossible to leave.
>
> I never said that, I just think she *SPECIFICALLY* is an attention
> seeking idiot.
She was sixteen. Some people are resourceful enough to get themselves
> <snippetry>
>
>> Even if it is, that doesn't mean
>> that other desperate women aren't really in this situation and really
>> finding it impossible to leave.
>
> I never said that, I just think she *SPECIFICALLY* is an attention
> seeking idiot.
out of a situation like that, but most people are not. And someone in
that situation is not thinking clearly and logically, even if they would
normally.
Chris Zakes
Apr 26, 2012, 10:09:18 PM4/26/12
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:24:29 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
You may be right. The US Department of Labor is proposing a new set of
child labor laws that would prohibit kids from doing most work on
their family's farm.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/
-Chris Zakes
Texas
--
I hallucinate gently for a living.
-Terry Pratchett
child labor laws that would prohibit kids from doing most work on
their family's farm.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/
-Chris Zakes
Texas
--
I hallucinate gently for a living.
-Terry Pratchett
Robert Carnegie
Apr 27, 2012, 6:03:37 AM4/27/12
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read (in fact while Googling for the Cotswold case)
that "more than 3,000 Thai youths drown each year
in their rice fields". And likewise in other countries
that grow rice.
GaryN
Apr 27, 2012, 6:11:48 AM4/27/12
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Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2evjp7tt1ev4jak6d...@4ax.com:
on farms before I left Primary school. I'd helped build 2 stables before I
was 11 and was driving tractors on the road at 16 (As soon as I could get a
licence).
All of it by my own choice.
Had the usual minor accidents/injuries but mostly I learned how to be
careful if doing slightly, or very, hazardous work.
Forcing kids to do something is different, and wrong IMO, but if they
choose to help what gives the government the right to say they can't?
It's called "Growing Up" and my personal view is that if they learn to
understand the dangers like I did it's far better than coddling them as the
SS demand these days.
A certain amount of H&S is a good thing, but taught by people who know what
they are on about. Not some bureaucrat who's never handled anything more
dangerous than a pencil sharpener and probably *would* be stupid enough to
poke a stick into a rotare without disengaging the PTO first!
gary
Larry Moore
Apr 27, 2012, 6:49:56 AM4/27/12
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On 2012-04-25, GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>
> The Christmas cake my OD makes probably contains enough incendiary
> materials to contravene International weapons limitation treaties [1]
> and the marzipan and icing probably exceed the requirement for military
> flak rags!
>
> I'm sure she puts a kevlar layer between the 2! Bloody sure it's the
> only Christmas cake that needs a chainsaw to cut!
>
> The actual preparation of said cake is shrouded in secrecy but it starts
> at least 2 months before Christmas and involves large amounts of Brandy,
> Whisky and Port being infused. Which is only right and proper.
>
> Either myself or my sister may get the recipe when she pops her clogs
> but it'll be a Nanny Ogg style job.
>
> Some of that,
> Bit of this
> etc
>
> So we can probably make it up as we go along.
>
> gary
>
> [1]Bit like my garage!
>
Twenty years ago, I entered this from a letter from my favourite
>>
>
> The Christmas cake my OD makes probably contains enough incendiary
> materials to contravene International weapons limitation treaties [1]
> and the marzipan and icing probably exceed the requirement for military
> flak rags!
>
> I'm sure she puts a kevlar layer between the 2! Bloody sure it's the
> only Christmas cake that needs a chainsaw to cut!
>
> The actual preparation of said cake is shrouded in secrecy but it starts
> at least 2 months before Christmas and involves large amounts of Brandy,
> Whisky and Port being infused. Which is only right and proper.
>
> Either myself or my sister may get the recipe when she pops her clogs
> but it'll be a Nanny Ogg style job.
>
> Some of that,
> Bit of this
> etc
>
> So we can probably make it up as we go along.
>
> gary
>
> [1]Bit like my garage!
>
m-i-l: http://www.astray.com/recipes/?show=English%20christmas%20pudding
I've made it every two or three years since.
--
I have been a happy man ever since January 1, 1990, when I no longer had an
email address. I'd used email since about 1975, and it seems to me that 15
years of email is plenty for one lifetime. Donald Knuth
Chris Zakes
Apr 27, 2012, 8:55:25 AM4/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:11:48 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
In one of the articles I read, the "dangerous equipment" that kids
wouldn't be allowed to operate included flashlights and wheelbarrows.
wouldn't be allowed to operate included flashlights and wheelbarrows.
GaryN
Apr 27, 2012, 10:19:21 AM4/27/12
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Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:gl5lp7dlr21jmb1p0...@4ax.com:
<snip>
> In one of the articles I read, the "dangerous equipment" that kids
> wouldn't be allowed to operate included flashlights and wheelbarrows.
>
> -Chris Zakes
> Texas
using a guvmint licensed shower mat in a guvmint licensed shower
cubicle)?.
Oh, hang on a mo, that was "Psycho" wasn't it?
gary looks around and can spot at least 8 potentially lethal items
within arms reach[1]. All fully available to any visiting child and
nothing to do with farming.
I know I've posted this link before (bad language warning) but some
things are worth repeating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAEy7oI-Hg&feature=related
I make no apology.
Nothing wrong with teaching kids not to mess with stuff they don't
understand. The SO, and also me, got sued by a supposed friend of hers
because her (the friends) 7 year old kid managed to pull a grandfather
clock over on herself at the SO's place.
"You should have made sure she couldn't do that".
"It's your fucking kid. You should have made sure she didn't"
The SO is usually very placid and even tempered but there are limits.
Thankfully we won but the other woman is no longer a friend!
Admittedly that may be due to me telling her to "Fuck off now and take
your brat vandals with you" Whilst opening the door. Subtlety is not
my strong point!
The clock is over 100 years old and matched with a grandmother clock
from the same maker. Which the SO also owns (family stuff from hers).
Wasn't bloody cheap getting that fixed.
Still had the allotment at the time and I could have sold her vehicle to
a chop shop. I wasn't tempted much orrificer...
gary
[1] You try beating someone repeatedly on the head with a 1993 Whitakers
Almanac!
Lesley Weston
Apr 27, 2012, 11:32:56 AM4/27/12
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On 04-26-12 7:09 PM, Chris Zakes wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:24:29 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused GaryN<webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> to write:
<snip>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:24:29 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused GaryN<webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> to write:
>> My niece has her own pony and has been taught to ride, she falls off
>> sometimes but doesn't complain. She (FFS don't tell SS about this or
>> they'll have us for child slavery) insists on mucking out *her* ponies
>> stable.
>
> You may be right. The US Department of Labor is proposing a new set of
> child labor laws that would prohibit kids from doing most work on
> their family's farm.
> http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural-kids-parents-angry-about-labor-dept-rule-banning-farm-chores/
"Update, April 26, 7:55 p.m.: Citing public outrage, the Department of
Labor has withdrawn the controversial rulemaking proposal described in
this article."
Sometimes common sense does prevail.
Lesley Weston
Apr 27, 2012, 11:34:40 AM4/27/12
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about in them?
Robert Carnegie
Apr 27, 2012, 2:33:07 PM4/27/12
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children too young to work in any way that we'd
really count, but I don't know how work is conducted there. Or how big Thailand is, really.
Still - that's getting on for ten a day.
GaryN
Apr 27, 2012, 6:03:47 PM4/27/12
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GaryN <webm...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote in
news:XnsA0429BDE438F0...@216.196.109.145:
<snip>
> Admittedly that may be due to me telling her to "Fuck off now and take
> your brat vandals with you" Whilst opening the door. Subtlety is not
> my strong point!
<snip>
Oh, just as a note. The combat boot was not applied to expedite egress
on this occasion, tempting though it was!
If they ever make up and the little shits come near my clock they go out
of the window without me opening it first! 'cos my wall clock was built
by German PoWs in the camp my Grandfather was in charge of in 1945/6.
Made for him from what they could beg. borrow or, probably, steal.
Irreplaceable and impossible to value[1]. I also have a matched pair of
Grandfather and Grandmother clocks - handed down.
Respect for other peoples property is part of being civilised. If you
or your kids don't respect my property *IN MY HOUSE* I see no reason to
respect your persons whilst throwing you out.
And I'll charge you for the window that you just broke on exit!
gary
[1]I tried, once. Nobody can guess at value, it's either nothing or
beyond price.
news:XnsA0429BDE438F0...@216.196.109.145:
<snip>
> Admittedly that may be due to me telling her to "Fuck off now and take
> your brat vandals with you" Whilst opening the door. Subtlety is not
> my strong point!
Oh, just as a note. The combat boot was not applied to expedite egress
on this occasion, tempting though it was!
If they ever make up and the little shits come near my clock they go out
of the window without me opening it first! 'cos my wall clock was built
by German PoWs in the camp my Grandfather was in charge of in 1945/6.
Made for him from what they could beg. borrow or, probably, steal.
Irreplaceable and impossible to value[1]. I also have a matched pair of
Grandfather and Grandmother clocks - handed down.
Respect for other peoples property is part of being civilised. If you
or your kids don't respect my property *IN MY HOUSE* I see no reason to
respect your persons whilst throwing you out.
And I'll charge you for the window that you just broke on exit!
gary
[1]I tried, once. Nobody can guess at value, it's either nothing or
beyond price.
Chris Zakes
Apr 27, 2012, 8:50:17 PM4/27/12
to
have proposed such rules in the first place. And if there hadn't been
an outcry, the rules would have been passed.
I suspect the bureaucrats responsible are all city kids, who wouldn't
know what farm work was if it bit them. They probably think all food
comes out of a magic box in the back room of the local grocery store.
Lesley Weston
Apr 28, 2012, 10:48:15 AM4/28/12
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wondered if the kids drowned because their parents were too busy tending
next year's food when the alternative is starvation to mind them
properly (it takes your full attention at all times), or because the
kids were doing the work themselves, or because older kids were larking
about when nobody was working there. They're just as dead whatever the
explanation, but some of the causes can be fixed.
Robert Carnegie
Apr 28, 2012, 11:19:56 AM4/28/12
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American(?) girl going there as a volunteer to give
swimming lessons. Life-belts might help, or not.
In pictures the water doesn't look particularly deep -
but it doesn't take much at at all, with a small child.
Lesley Weston
Apr 29, 2012, 9:50:43 AM4/29/12
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is quite enough to drown a toddler or someone older lying face-down in
it, but is not much use for swimming. Still, more power to her for
trying to help.
I was thinking more about providing day-care somewhere safe while the
parents are working, and preventing children working there (if they do)
until they're old enough or at least big enough. Teenagers messing about
can't be stopped.
Larry Moore
Apr 29, 2012, 11:44:17 AM4/29/12
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education system with compulsory attendance, as well as day-care?
--
Out beyond ideas of right doing and wrong doing
THERE IS A FIELD
I'll meet you there
Rumi
Chris Zakes
Apr 29, 2012, 9:50:05 PM4/29/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:19:21 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
unlikely) or you're not using your imagination enough. I've got
several dozen potentially lethal items in easy reach, up to and
including the computer desk.
>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:gl5lp7dlr21jmb1p0...@4ax.com:
>
><snip>
>
>> In one of the articles I read, the "dangerous equipment" that kids
>> wouldn't be allowed to operate included flashlights and wheelbarrows.
>>
>> -Chris Zakes
>> Texas
>
>Probably includes nail clippers, kitchen knives and the shower (if not
>using a guvmint licensed shower mat in a guvmint licensed shower
>cubicle)?.
>
>Oh, hang on a mo, that was "Psycho" wasn't it?
>
>gary looks around and can spot at least 8 potentially lethal items
>within arms reach[1]. All fully available to any visiting child and
>nothing to do with farming.
Only eight? Either you're in a really bare place (which seems
>news:gl5lp7dlr21jmb1p0...@4ax.com:
>
><snip>
>
>> In one of the articles I read, the "dangerous equipment" that kids
>> wouldn't be allowed to operate included flashlights and wheelbarrows.
>>
>> -Chris Zakes
>> Texas
>
>Probably includes nail clippers, kitchen knives and the shower (if not
>using a guvmint licensed shower mat in a guvmint licensed shower
>cubicle)?.
>
>Oh, hang on a mo, that was "Psycho" wasn't it?
>
>gary looks around and can spot at least 8 potentially lethal items
>within arms reach[1]. All fully available to any visiting child and
>nothing to do with farming.
unlikely) or you're not using your imagination enough. I've got
several dozen potentially lethal items in easy reach, up to and
including the computer desk.
Lesley Weston
Apr 30, 2012, 10:34:45 AM4/30/12
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system developed by the English Quaker industrialists in the nineteenth
century might work better in isolated communities of subsistence
farmers. In that one, older children went to school for part of the day
and worked a few hours as well to contribute to the family's upkeep and
keep the whole family alive. That way the crops would still get planted,
tended and harvested, so the village would still get to eat, but the
kids would be offered a way out as well. You'd still need daycare for
the younger kids though.
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