[I] (I think): Murphy's Laws Of Combat
Nigel Stapley
this:
http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
I particularly liked numbers 7, 28, 44, 56, 79, 90, 106, 112 and 120.
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
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GaryN
news:8pCdnVFSKPywPGPX...@brightview.co.uk:
> My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
> this:
>
> http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
>
> I particularly liked numbers 7, 28, 44, 56, 79, 90, 106, 112 and 120.
#22 is the important one
And #43 was a tactic successfully used by Ghengis Khan. Pretend to
retreat, sometimes over several days. Then launch an annihalating counter
attack with overwhelming force when you have lured the enemy into an
indefensible position.
gary
--
"I really like this jacket
but the sleeves are much too long"
Motorhead - 'Back At The Funny Farm'.
jester
<un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote:
>My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
>this:
>
>http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
>
>I particularly liked numbers 7, 28, 44, 56, 79, 90, 106, 112 and 120.
110a - Take a leak when you can, not when you have to.
110b - UK ground troops - if there's time for anything previously
mentioned, get a brew on.
--
Andy Brown
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-- Albert Einstein
CCA
> My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
> this:
>
> http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
Thanks for pointing us at those - I haven't got time to read them all
now but they look promising :-)
CCA
Anery
>
> 110a - Take a leak when you can, not when you have to.
>
by a friend, and the recent Welsh thread, it made sense to me.
Anery
Lesley Weston
According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the regiment,
to eat a whole leek. Raw.
--
Lesley Weston
The addy above is real, but I won't see anything posted to it for a long
time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Nigel Stapley
> Anery wrote:
>> On 14 lis, 19:29, jester <use...@jester.nu> wrote:
>>> 110a - Take a leak when you can, not when you have to.
>>>
>> IRTA "leek". Given that I've just read an article on St.David, linked
>> by a friend, and the recent Welsh thread, it made sense to me.
>
> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the regiment,
> to eat a whole leek. Raw.
>
For once, Graves might have been telling the truth, at least in as much
as it's a 'tradition' (that is to say, someone thought it up a week last
Wednesday) that during the St David's Day mess (1), one of the party
must stand on a chair, cry "I Ddewi Sant!" ("To St David!" (2)) and
chomp the leek.
A goat may also be involved, but I'm not sure in what capacity...
(1) Meant in the catering sense, although I don't know, though...
(2) Although he may be asking for directions to Pembrokeshire at this point.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
wrote:
> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat the leek,
but then not do so?
--
Dave
"All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> Anery wrote:
>>> On 14 lis, 19:29, jester <use...@jester.nu> wrote:
>>>> 110a - Take a leak when you can, not when you have to.
>>>>
>>> IRTA "leek". Given that I've just read an article on St.David, linked
>>> by a friend, and the recent Welsh thread, it made sense to me.
>>
>> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
>> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
>> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
>>
>
> For once, Graves might have been telling the truth, at least in as much
> as it's a 'tradition' (that is to say, someone thought it up a week last
> Wednesday) that during the St David's Day mess (1), one of the party
> must stand on a chair, cry "I Ddewi Sant!" ("To St David!" (2)) and
> chomp the leek.
Of course, Graves was talking about the officers' mess. Other ranks may
have been exempt.
>
> A goat may also be involved, but I'm not sure in what capacity...
Not a sheep?
>
> (1) Meant in the catering sense, although I don't know, though...
See above. Another tradition is that officers do themselves very well in
the catering department.
Lesley Weston
> On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
>> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
>> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
>
> Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat the leek,
> but then not do so?
>
contentiousness?
Carol Hague
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> > On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
> >> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
> >> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
> >
> > Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat the leek,
> > but then not do so?
> >
> Goodness, David, I though I was the one with the reputation for
> contentiousness?
David is punning on the odd name of the regiment (to be honest, I
thought you'd misspelt it until I llooked it up) which for some reason
uses the speling that means to renege on a bet rather than the more
usual "Welsh".
--
Carol. www.mullimages.com
"This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong".
It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>> On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
>>>> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
>>>> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
>>> Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat the leek,
>>> but then not do so?
>>>
>> Goodness, David, I though I was the one with the reputation for
>> contentiousness?
>
> David is punning on the odd name of the regiment (to be honest, I
> thought you'd misspelt it until I llooked it up) which for some reason
> uses the speling that means to renege on a bet rather than the more
> usual "Welsh".
>
deal". Spelling was fairly arbitrary in Olden Tymes.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> > On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal
>> >> Welch Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in
>> >> the regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
>> >
>> > Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat
>> > the leek, but then not do so?
>> >
>> Goodness, David, I though I was the one with the reputation for
>> contentiousness?
>
> David is punning on the odd name of the regiment (to be honest, I
> thought you'd misspelt it until I llooked it up)
You give me too much credit.
David is punning on what he assumed to be a misspelling, because he
*didn't* bother to look it up...
Lawrence Watt-Evans
<daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
And those of us whose dialects of English spell the verb "to welsh"
didn't realize a misspelling might have anything to do with the
attempted humor, and were puzzled by the whole thing.
--
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I'm selling my comic collection -- see http://www.watt-evans.com/comics.html
I'm serializing a novel at http://www.watt-evans.com/realmsoflight0.html
Carol Hague
> On 18 Nov 2009 18:16:32 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On 18 Nov 2009, ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote:
> >
> >> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> >>> > On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal
> >>> >> Welch Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in
> >>> >> the regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
> >>> >
> >>> > Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat
> >>> > the leek, but then not do so?
> >>> >
> >>> Goodness, David, I though I was the one with the reputation for
> >>> contentiousness?
> >>
> >> David is punning on the odd name of the regiment (to be honest, I
> >> thought you'd misspelt it until I llooked it up)
> >
> >You give me too much credit.
> >
> >David is punning on what he assumed to be a misspelling, because he
> >*didn't* bother to look it up...
>
> And those of us whose dialects of English spell the verb "to welsh"
> didn't realize a misspelling might have anything to do with the
> attempted humor, and were puzzled by the whole thing.
Splitters! :-)
Carol Hague
> Carol Hague wrote:
> > Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> >>> On 16 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> According to Robert Graves (again!), new recruits into the Royal Welch
> >>>> Fusiliers are required, on their first St. David's Day in the
> >>>> regiment, to eat a whole leek. Raw.
> >>> Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat the leek,
> >>> but then not do so?
> >>>
> >> Goodness, David, I though I was the one with the reputation for
> >> contentiousness?
> >
> > David is punning on the odd name of the regiment (to be honest, I
> > thought you'd misspelt it until I llooked it up) which for some reason
> > uses the speling that means to renege on a bet rather than the more
> > usual "Welsh".
> >
> Yes, I got that. But think about the origin of the term "to welch on a
> deal". Spelling was fairly arbitrary in Olden Tymes.
It's fairly arbitrary even now. Have you met the internet? :-)
steveski
Nah, we're not the People's Front of Judea OOPS! <20p>
--
Steveski (who can't remember his PFJ from his JPF)
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Spelling was fairly arbitrary in Olden Tymes.
>
> It's fairly arbitrary even now. Have you met the internet? :-)
ITYM "teh internetz".
Lesley Weston
therefore blameless.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>>>> Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat
>>>>> the leek, but then not do so?
<snip>
>> David is punning on what he assumed to be a misspelling, because he
>> *didn't* bother to look it up...
>>
> In which case David didn't realise the meaning of what he wrote, and
> is therefore blameless.
Thank you. And apologies to all Welsh people reading, nonetheless.
Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
"welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
<daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
>"welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
>thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
interested neutral in that particular feud.)
That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
I'd say.
Carol Hague
> On 19 Nov 2009 20:09:48 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
> >"welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
> >thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>
> I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
> English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
> of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
> interested neutral in that particular feud.)
>
> That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
> I'd say.
Well, David is Scottish and thus theoretically not partisan in that
particular disagreement :-)
Not that the Scots and English have always/ever been best chums either,
but that's a separate round metal container of vermiform invertebrates
:-)
A while back, when my husband was practicing to do the Three Peaks, the
group of them were in Scotland to climb Ben Nevis when Scotland and
England were playing each other at football. They thought it prudent to
send the Welshman in the party into town to procure the fish and chips
:-)
Carol Hague
> On 18 Nov 2009, ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote:
>
> > Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Spelling was fairly arbitrary in Olden Tymes.
> >
> > It's fairly arbitrary even now. Have you met the internet? :-)
>
> ITYM "teh internetz".
Quite right. You can haz veggie cheezburger! :-)
Anery
>
> A while back, when my husband was practicing to do the Three Peaks, the
> group of them were in Scotland to climb Ben Nevis when Scotland and
> England were playing each other at football. They thought it prudent to
> send the Welshman in the party into town to procure the fish and chips
> :-)
>
World Championship in Prague after the final with Slovakia. We were
canoeing down the Czech river of Sazava and having a lunch break in a
local pub.
The waiter who was serving us was called by his colleague and he
answered with a huge grin: "Wait a moment, I'll just serve these
silver people."
I was glad that the Czechs have won. In the opposite case, the service
would have been likely to be much less pleasant. Besides, I was amused
of the notion of me belonging to what sounded like a noble race.
Anery
Thomas Zahr
> On 19 Nov 2009 20:09:48 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
> >"welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
> >thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>
> I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
> English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
> of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
> interested neutral in that particular feud.)
>
> That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
> I'd say.
Mildly interesting, that (some/many/most) Welsh use the word to describe
themselves.
'Strangely' the French and Italians (Welsche in old fashioned German)
don't. OTOH they are independent states.
--
Cheers,
Thomas =:-)
Nigel Stapley
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 19 Nov 2009 20:09:48 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
>>> "welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
>>> thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>> I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
>> English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
>> of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
>> interested neutral in that particular feud.)
>>
>> That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
>> I'd say.
>
> Mildly interesting, that (some/many/most) Welsh use the word to describe
> themselves.
Only because most of them are monoglot English-speakers.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2009 20:09:48 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
>> >"welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
>> >thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>>
>> I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
>> English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
>> of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
>> interested neutral in that particular feud.)
>>
>> That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
>> I'd say.
>
>Well, David is Scottish and thus theoretically not partisan in that
>particular disagreement :-)
Ah, Scottish is much of that "other" in my own heritage. (That's
where the "Watt" comes from.)
>Not that the Scots and English have always/ever been best chums either,
>but that's a separate round metal container of vermiform invertebrates
>:-)
Indeed. I married a French-Irish woman, just to drag in a few other
long-term hostilities, and some of her family weren't too thrilled
about it.
Lesley Weston
> On 19 Nov 2009, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
>>>>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>
>>>>>> Surely to join the *Welch* Fusiliers, you have to *agree* to eat
>>>>>> the leek, but then not do so?
> <snip>
>
>>> David is punning on what he assumed to be a misspelling, because he
>>> *didn't* bother to look it up...
>>>
>> In which case David didn't realise the meaning of what he wrote, and
>> is therefore blameless.
>
> Thank you. And apologies to all Welsh people reading, nonetheless.
Accepted. Actually half-accepted, which is all I'm entitled to.
>
> Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
> "welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
> thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>
I thought it didn't sound like you.
Lesley Weston
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2009 20:09:48 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>> <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Now I think about it, I think I *had* heard the origins of the word
>>> "welch" lay in anti-Welsh sentiment, but nothing was further from my
>>> thoughts at the time of writing the original post.
>> I'd thought the origin was pretty obvious, actually. It's not like
>> English distrust of the Welsh has ever been a secret. (As an American
>> of mixed English and Welsh (and other) ancestry, I consider myself an
>> interested neutral in that particular feud.)
>>
>> That you hadn't made the connection speaks well of your own outlook,
>> I'd say.
>
> Well, David is Scottish and thus theoretically not partisan in that
> particular disagreement :-)
>
> Not that the Scots and English have always/ever been best chums either,
> but that's a separate round metal container of vermiform invertebrates
> :-)
>
> A while back, when my husband was practicing to do the Three Peaks, the
> group of them were in Scotland to climb Ben Nevis when Scotland and
> England were playing each other at football. They thought it prudent to
> send the Welshman in the party into town to procure the fish and chips
> :-)
>
>
her Welsh accent and did most of the talking. They returned home safely,
so it must have worked.
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
(snip)
>When my parents visited Eire during the seventies, my mother exaggerated
>her Welsh accent and did most of the talking. They returned home safely,
>so it must have worked.
Sounds like some American college kids visiting Europe during the
latter part of the Vietnam War. They'd sew Canadian flags to their
backpacks so they wouldn't be harrassed for being Americans.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most
discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..."
-Issac Asimov
Lesley Weston
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:50:01 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>> When my parents visited Eire during the seventies, my mother exaggerated
>> her Welsh accent and did most of the talking. They returned home safely,
>> so it must have worked.
>
> Sounds like some American college kids visiting Europe during the
> latter part of the Vietnam War. They'd sew Canadian flags to their
> backpacks so they wouldn't be harrassed for being Americans.
They still do it, but I think it might be less effective now. But my
mother was entitled to her Welsh accent, there was no deception there.
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:50:01 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> When my parents visited Eire during the seventies, my mother exaggerated
>>> her Welsh accent and did most of the talking. They returned home safely,
>>> so it must have worked.
>>
>> Sounds like some American college kids visiting Europe during the
>> latter part of the Vietnam War. They'd sew Canadian flags to their
>> backpacks so they wouldn't be harrassed for being Americans.
>
>They still do it, but I think it might be less effective now. But my
>mother was entitled to her Welsh accent, there was no deception there.
I don't know that it was deception, so much as an easier method of
avoiding hassles than having to constantly explain "Yes. I'm an
American. No, I didn't vote for that bozo, and I don't agree with the
war any more than you do."
Lesley Weston
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:14:44 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
>> Chris Zakes wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:50:01 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
>>> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>> When my parents visited Eire during the seventies, my mother exaggerated
>>>> her Welsh accent and did most of the talking. They returned home safely,
>>>> so it must have worked.
>>> Sounds like some American college kids visiting Europe during the
>>> latter part of the Vietnam War. They'd sew Canadian flags to their
>>> backpacks so they wouldn't be harrassed for being Americans.
>> They still do it, but I think it might be less effective now. But my
>> mother was entitled to her Welsh accent, there was no deception there.
>
> I don't know that it was deception, so much as an easier method of
> avoiding hassles than having to constantly explain "Yes. I'm an
> American. No, I didn't vote for that bozo, and I don't agree with the
> war any more than you do."
Judging by what happens on afp from time to time, that explanation
wouldn't work anyway.
CCA
> My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
> this:
>
> http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
Having now read most of the rest of the lists, there doesn't seem to
be a list of tips for Bounty Hunters...
Excellent stuff apart from that, great fun!
CCA
Dom
> On Nov 14, 12:23 pm, Nigel Stapley <u...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote:
>> My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
>
> Having now read most of the rest of the lists, there doesn't seem to
> be a list of tips for Bounty Hunters...
1. First, try your local sweet shop.
*g*
--
Dom
GaryN
ceb4b6...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 14, 12:23�pm, Nigel Stapley <u...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote:
>> My old chum Alex (http://fiat-knox.livejournal.com/) pointed me towards
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.sff.net/Paradise/combat.html
>
> Having now read most of the rest of the lists, there doesn't seem to
> be a list of tips for Bounty Hunters...
You could always read Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum series for the "How
not to" tips...:-)
gary
--
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