[I] Artists
Alec Cawley
yet again wondering at how artists manage to do it - how they manage to
*see* what they then put on paper to show the rest of us.
And then I realised that it is easy - artists really *do* have eyes in
the back of their heads. Not facing backwards to see behind. That would
be boring, because we can all see behind by simply turning round. No,
these eyes face *forward* so they can see where the rest of us are blind
- inside the head.
--
@lec Šawley
Design rule 1: Simplicate and add Lightness.
Richard Adams
> Re-reading The Art of Discworld with Paul Kidby's superb pictures, I was
> yet again wondering at how artists manage to do it - how they manage to
> *see* what they then put on paper to show the rest of us.
>
> And then I realised that it is easy - artists really *do* have eyes in
> the back of their heads. Not facing backwards to see behind. That would
> be boring, because we can all see behind by simply turning round. No,
> these eyes face *forward* so they can see where the rest of us are blind
> - inside the head.
>
Actually, they just dab away with a brush until everything on the canvas
that doesn't look like what they want has been covered.
Alec Cawley
<ack...@concentric.net> writes
Which proves my point. They dab away until it looks like what they can
see - with the eyes in the back of their head. Ordinary landscape
artists - the boring Canalettos and Turners of this world - paint what
they see with the eyes on the front of their heads.It takes a much
better artist to paint with the eyes on the back of the head.
Eric Jarvis
I think you are being a little harsh on Turner there, he painted things
that wouldn't sit still for him, so he was very much painting with the
eyes in the back of his head even if what they were trying to see is
something the eyes in the front of his head saw earlier.
It's a GREAT analogy.
Next art I'll probably see is a video of a chair being lifted 24
kilometres up by a weather balloon. I'm not entire sure which eyes that
uses, but I'm looking forward to it immensely.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Richard Adams
Sounds superiour to any visit to a Thomas Kinkade gallery.
CJ
says...
Thomas Kinkade! *That's* the name I was trying to remember!
I went to the Thomas Kinkade gallery in St Augustine during my Florida
trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
name by the time I got home :-(
--
CJ
Torak
>
> Thomas Kinkade! *That's* the name I was trying to remember!
>
> I went to the Thomas Kinkade gallery in St Augustine during my Florida
> trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
> name by the time I got home :-(
I've never been big on art, but there is one artist whose stuff I rather
like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some really good stuff.
CJ
perry.com says...
I'm not much on art either, but his lighting effects are really amazing.
I went to the Museo Del Prado a couple of years ago, and there were two
artists who really affected me - Goya (especially "Saturn devouring his
son", and .... umm .... I must have mental block about remembering
artist's names! ... ah, Velazquez (thanks google!). I can't say what it
was that made those artists stand out, and I know nothing about art
techniques or any of the technical stuff, but I found their paintings
powerful.
--
CJ
Sian Hiscock
> And then I realised that it is easy - artists really *do* have eyes in
> the back of their heads. Not facing backwards to see behind. That would
> be boring, because we can all see behind by simply turning round. No,
> these eyes face *forward* so they can see where the rest of us are blind
> - inside the head.
Interesting in theory, but us artists (well, those who dabble) have to
have a basic idea on *what* we're painting, and have had some
experience to do some doing it blind as you say.
Kidby says that the downland where he lives became the inspiration for
the illustrations for the WFM series, so he worked from sketches he
did of "real" landcape and converted it to fit his imagination, as
well as the Feegle themselves being famous Scottish actors.(Daft
Wuillie looks very like Billy Connelly, if you look at the books.) In
other words: it's not straight from his head. He did not pick up his
pencil and ended up with a finished painting 3 hours later. The
finished painting is at the end of a series of research, reaching a
point of "done"ness.[1]
Now I'm not saying that anyone who can draw works this way; If you
work straight from the back of your head, the work you do will be...
mishaped, usually, and without any form of structure. Sometimes a bit
of luck will happen and a something of-the-moment and perfect will
happen, on a whim. But these are rare, unstructured forms of ideas. I
could doodle an idea for a dress down on an used receipt, and very
pretty it would look, but it would be unfit for human wear if I made
it based on my hasty drawing, as it has no idea of realism. As a
starting point, though, it makes the first page of a very long line of
trial and errors until I'm satisfied that yes, that's what I want to
make.
Take drawings of the human body. You can tell also just by looking at
it if it's:
a) been drawn from imagination
b) been drawn from memory
c) been drawn from real life
d) been drawn from a photo.
Drawings from imagination, memory and photos do not capture the sense
of movement of a person, or light, or character, or little things they
said expressed in their eyes or body language. When someone is sitting
opposite you, the artist picks up on a million different things more
then the other three.
Even the best artists have been schooled into drawing "real" things
first, so the other stuff comes naturally. I'm taught to draw a naked
form first, then to drape clothes around the body in fashion. I don't
of course, as I'm used to drawing design ideas and making clothes now
I can make a design up without consulting a naked woman as to where
her waistline is. The best print ideas I've had are from working from
drawings I've done in real life, drawings of models, flowers,
pavements... you never know where an idea comes from, and where it
would lead.
That's why sometimes it gets so frustrating trying to recreate your
imagination, as realism gets in the way and makes it impossible.
Sian
X
(An AFPer artist, they're are a few of us.)
[1] I never know anyone who is vaguely creative to be happy with their
end result. Usually they'll say "if I had more time/ if photoshop
hadn't crashed/ if I used oils instead/ If I used lame instead of
cotton..."
ack...@concentric.net
CJ spelled out, with burning logs, while stranded on a desert isle:
> In article <cm5hhi$c...@dispatch.concentric.net>,
ack...@concentric.net
> says...
> > Eric Jarvis wrote:
> > >
> > > Next art I'll probably see is a video of a chair being lifted 24
> > > kilometres up by a weather balloon. I'm not entire sure which
eyes that
> > > uses, but I'm looking forward to it immensely.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds superiour to any visit to a Thomas Kinkade gallery.
>
> Thomas Kinkade! *That's* the name I was trying to remember!
In gods names, why?
> I went to the Thomas Kinkade gallery in St Augustine during my
Florida
> trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
> name by the time I got home :-(
Sounds like had just enough to successfully blot out the memory.
Ok, you can probably tell I'm no TK fan. I find his work appalling and
the sort one might find hanging on the wall in a smurf's home. May I
direct you to Vincent Van Gogh or Claude Monet?
Rocky Frisco
Very nice!! He certainly likes umbrellas/bumbershoots.
http://nothinbutprints.com/artist_search.php?ref=1599&getartist=Jack+Vettriano
-Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com
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Graycat
down:
>Ok, you can probably tell I'm no TK fan. I find his work appalling and
>the sort one might find hanging on the wall in a smurf's home. May I
>direct you to Vincent Van Gogh or Claude Monet?
Hey! Don't diss the Smurfs!
After googling to find some pictures (I'd never heard of the
man) I have to say I find them pretty nice. Probably not
something I'd hang on my wall, but they'd make great jigsaw
puzzles.
But I wouldn't put most Van Gogh or Monet on my walls
either. Partly because they aren't really my style [1] but
mostly because they are too famous. As with Gaugin they've
become artists people who don't know Art [2] put on their
walls to look like they know about Art, or that they put on
walls in offices because it's Art and it's unoffensive.
[1] ie it doesn't fit with my tastes in decorating etc.
[2] capital A because that's the way these people think
about it - to distinguish it from just ano old painting.
Like Litterature vs books.
--
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Graycat
<grayca...@gmail.com > jotted down:
>On 2 Nov 2004 10:05:31 -0800, ack...@concentric.net jotted
>down:
>
>
>>Ok, you can probably tell I'm no TK fan. I find his work appalling and
>>the sort one might find hanging on the wall in a smurf's home. May I
>>direct you to Vincent Van Gogh or Claude Monet?
>
>Hey! Don't diss the Smurfs!
>
>After googling to find some pictures (I'd never heard of the
>man) I have to say I find them pretty nice. Probably not
>something I'd hang on my wall, but they'd make great jigsaw
>puzzles.
>
>But I wouldn't put most Van Gogh or Monet on my walls
>either. Partly because they aren't really my style [1] but
>mostly because they are too famous. As with Gaugin they've
>become artists people who don't know Art [2] put on their
>walls to look like they know about Art, or that they put on
>walls in offices because it's Art and it's unoffensive.
I'd put Gallen Kallela on my walls though, especially the
Kalevala pictures, if I could.
Rocky Frisco
Urk. Chomping a son-sicle. OOOOgly!
Collossus, Incantation, Shootings, etc.
That's one *weird* dude.
Darin Johnson
> I went to the Thomas Kinkade gallery in St Augustine during my Florida
> trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
> name by the time I got home :-(
Kinkade has committed the more vile offense an artist can commit.
He became popular.
--
Darin Johnson
"Look here. There's a crop circle in my ficus!" -- The Tick
Rocky Frisco
My second wife, Cat Frisco, was an uncommon sort of artist: she could
effortlessly draw you a human, a porcupine or a giraffe, freehand,
with nothing as reference, in any pose you asked for. If you, then,
referred to textbooks and photographs, all of the proportions were
correct, including sinews and bones showing under the skin, as they do
in any faithful action pose. They were also rendered as light and
shadow, rather than outlines.
Eric Jarvis
> On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:20:13 +0100, Graycat
> <grayca...@gmail.com > jotted down:
>
> >On 2 Nov 2004 10:05:31 -0800, ack...@concentric.net jotted
> >down:
> >
> >
> >>Ok, you can probably tell I'm no TK fan. I find his work appalling and
> >>the sort one might find hanging on the wall in a smurf's home. May I
> >>direct you to Vincent Van Gogh or Claude Monet?
> >
> >Hey! Don't diss the Smurfs!
> >
> >After googling to find some pictures (I'd never heard of the
> >man) I have to say I find them pretty nice. Probably not
> >something I'd hang on my wall, but they'd make great jigsaw
> >puzzles.
> >
> >But I wouldn't put most Van Gogh or Monet on my walls
> >either. Partly because they aren't really my style [1] but
> >mostly because they are too famous. As with Gaugin they've
> >become artists people who don't know Art [2] put on their
> >walls to look like they know about Art, or that they put on
> >walls in offices because it's Art and it's unoffensive.
>
> I'd put Gallen Kallela on my walls though, especially the
> Kalevala pictures, if I could.
>
I've got a James Acord sketch. If I had the money I'd have a Carey Young
photograph and one of Helen Chadwick's creations on my walls too. I know
precisely which ones.
Sarah Warren
> Torak wrote:
> > I've never been big on art, but there is one artist whose stuff I rather
> > like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some really good
> > stuff.
>
> Very nice!! He certainly likes umbrellas/bumbershoots.
>
>
http://nothinbutprints.com/artist_search.php?ref=1599&getartist=Jack+Vettria
no
I like him, too. My favourite being The Singing Butler
http://www.nothinbutprints.com/Merchant/graphics/con/5642.jpg
I like the movement in them, and the way many of them seem everso slightly
surreal :-)
Sarah Warren
> My second wife, Cat Frisco, was an uncommon sort of artist: she could
> effortlessly draw you a human, a porcupine or a giraffe, freehand,
> with nothing as reference, in any pose you asked for. If you, then,
> referred to textbooks and photographs, all of the proportions were
> correct, including sinews and bones showing under the skin, as they do
> in any faithful action pose. They were also rendered as light and
> shadow, rather than outlines.
That's very impressive... I work in light & shadow, but I have to have
a reference and it takes me a long time.
Rocky Frisco
I like the wee model VW bus by the chambermaid's feet.
Rocky Frisco
The lady would do the best charcoal sketches you ever saw, of
strangers she had met for the first time, in less than 15 minutes.
Often got $100 or more for them in the local nightclubs.
Richard Adams
> CJ <cjo...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I went to the Thomas Kinkade gallery in St Augustine during my Florida
>>trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
>>name by the time I got home :-(
>
>
> Kinkade has committed the more vile offense an artist can commit.
> He became popular.
>
To me, it's more the feeling he manufactures what's popular. There are
TK galleries all over the USA, selling these sublime little vignettes to
the sort who accumulate Precious Moments figuries.
I've been to many art museums and enjoyed some shows where many of an
artists work has been on display to identify the subtle changes in
interest or the experimentation with the work. Even lucky enough to
catch drawings, oils and sculpture by Degas at one show, each of the
same subject, the young ballarina.
Darin Johnson
> I'd put Gallen Kallela on my walls though, especially the
> Kalevala pictures, if I could.
I don't know much about art, but I'd agree with you here.
Though some of them would scare away the few visitors I get.
If I had a choice of Finnish art though, there are some
others I would steal first.
I like Monet also, especially if I had to pick something to
hang in my home, but because he's so well known it might fit
my personality better to have something less recognizable.
--
Darin Johnson
Gravity is a harsh mistress -- The Tick
Rocky Frisco
> Graycat <grayca...@gmail.com > writes:
>
>
>>I'd put Gallen Kallela on my walls though, especially the
>>Kalevala pictures, if I could.
>
>
> I don't know much about art, but I'd agree with you here.
> Though some of them would scare away the few visitors I get.
> If I had a choice of Finnish art though, there are some
> others I would steal first.
>
> I like Monet also, especially if I had to pick something to
> hang in my home, but because he's so well known it might fit
> my personality better to have something less recognizable.
I'm more into Moran and Bierstadt, but that's just what I find
soothing on the wall, since they take me right back to the Rockies
where the air is clear and fools fall off mountainsides, so there are
less of them around.
Sarah Warren
> Darin Johnson wrote:
> > Kinkade has committed the more vile offense an artist can commit.
> > He became popular.
> >
>
> To me, it's more the feeling he manufactures what's popular. There are
> TK galleries all over the USA, selling these sublime little vignettes to
> the sort who accumulate Precious Moments figuries.
Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't know
if
I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so if someone
could point me to some good ones...?
> Even lucky enough to
> catch drawings, oils and sculpture by Degas at one show, each of the
> same subject, the young ballarina.
There's a whole roomfull of Degas as the Musee D'Orsay in Paris, I loved
it...
always been a fan of Degas. There was a programme on recently about the
history of the little ballerina... interesting tale. Apparently there's also
a
children's book about her, which is rather more savoury ;-)
CJ
> "Richard Adams" wrote
> > Darin Johnson wrote:
> > > Kinkade has committed the more vile offense an artist can commit.
> > > He became popular.
> > >
> >
> > To me, it's more the feeling he manufactures what's popular. There are
> > TK galleries all over the USA, selling these sublime little vignettes to
> > the sort who accumulate Precious Moments figuries.
>
> Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
> and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't know
> if I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so
> if someone could point me to some good ones...?
I'm feeling the need to defend myself here :-) I thought that the
lighting effects were quite amazing - I know nothing about art
techniques, so I don't know if it's technically difficult or not or
what, but I thought it was quite striking. Not necessarily something
I'd want in my home, but impressive nonetheless.
Maybe it would seem less mercenary if he'd only done one or two, and if
the scenes weren't all so ... let's say quaint, but he's obviously found
something that makes him money and who can blame him for trying to make
as much of it as he can? :-)
--
CJ
Richard Adams
> "Richard Adams" wrote
>
>>Darin Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>Kinkade has committed the more vile offense an artist can commit.
>>>He became popular.
>>>
>>
>>To me, it's more the feeling he manufactures what's popular. There are
>>TK galleries all over the USA, selling these sublime little vignettes to
>>the sort who accumulate Precious Moments figuries.
>
>
> Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
> and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't know
> if
> I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so if someone
> could point me to some good ones...?
You've pretty much found his stuff. I've wondered into a couple of the
shops where his paintings are sold (copies for $$$) and it's pretty much
all the same, as if each one was captioned by "...happily ever after."
Peachy Ashie Passion
Yes, but they make quite nice jigsaw puzzles.
Seriously, it seems to be that a large portion of the protestant
community feels he is painting scenes of heaven. My mother in law
saw his work at the Smithsonian when we went, and picked up copies
of the set of four spring, summer, autumn, winter, and had them
framed in a giant frame for her house. They say something very
profound to her.
I think the lighting is really pretty.
--
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image,
when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Torak
> Torak wrote:
>>
>> rather like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some
>> really good stuff.
>
> Very nice!! He certainly likes umbrellas/bumbershoots.
Course he does. He lives in Scotland.
> http://nothinbutprints.com/artist_search.php?ref=1599&getartist=Jack+Vettriano
I think I've got a print of this one:
<http://www.nothinbutprints.com/art_prints.php?products_id=18541>
Torak
> Sarah Warren wrote:
>> "Rocky Frisco" wrote
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never been big on art, but there is one artist whose stuff I
>>>> rather
>>>> like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some really good
>>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Very nice!! He certainly likes umbrellas/bumbershoots.
>>
>> http://www.nothinbutprints.com/Merchant/graphics/con/5642.jpg
>> I like the movement in them, and the way many of them seem everso
>> slightly
>
> I like the wee model VW bus by the chambermaid's feet.
I never saw that!
The semi-officialish page:
<http://www.portlandgallery.com/index.php?page=jackvettriano>
Rocky Frisco
> Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
> and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't know
> if
> I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so if someone
> could point me to some good ones...?
I think his stuff is charming, holiday-card-like. Makes me think of
homesteads and crispy winters and balmy summers. Art doesn't have to
be tragic or disturbing.
Eric Jarvis
> On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:51:06 GMT, Torak <and...@andrew-perry.com>
> wrote:
>
> >CJ wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Kinkade! *That's* the name I was trying to remember!
> >>
> >> trip last month and was very impressed ... and then had forgotten his
> >> name by the time I got home :-(
> >
> >like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some really good stuff.
>
> in Scotland to have bought any of his work. The Scottish art
> establishment do not like him.
>
Not quite. The art establishment generally considers his work to be kind
of OK, but since he's very popular with private buyers they also consider
it to be hugely over priced. If the fashion for his works ends then plenty
of galleries would buy some at a lower price, at current prices they
won't.
Remember, a gallery already usually has a lot of art. If something doesn't
cover clearly new ground it's not particularly if value to a gallery that
already has similar works. Generally Vettriano is seen as technically
quite good, but not doing anything interesting and new. Most galleries
already have plenty of technically impressive paintings.
Rocky Frisco
It's probably a lunchbox or her purse, but it looked like a VW bus so
I said so. :)
PeterH
> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never been big on art, but there is one artist whose stuff I
>>> rather like; a Glaswegian, IIRC, called Jack (?) Vettriano. Some
>>> really good stuff.
>>
>> Very nice!! He certainly likes umbrellas/bumbershoots.
>
> Course he does. He lives in Scotland.
[]
> I think I've got a print of this one:
> <http://www.nothinbutprints.com/art_prints.php?products_id=18541>
My uncle has about four Jack Vettriano prints - including that one -
decorating his house in Wimbledon.
They match the curtains, you know. It's quite a house! :)
..PeterH
Stacie Hanes
Yes, pretty. Once, twice, half a dozen times. But I've never seen anything
else from him and tend to wonder if he's planning to paint the entirety of
heaven, and, if so, how big it is.
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
"swordswomen of the afpocalypse" copyright Jon of afp, 2004.
Peachy Ashie Passion
Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
silly woman.
Are you counting the cottages? Have you seen those?
Eric Jarvis
>
> Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
>
and yet somehow still never quite has enough shelves for all the books
Stacie Hanes
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
>> Peachy Ashie Passion wrote:
>>>
>>> Seriously, it seems to be that a large portion of the protestant
>>> community feels he is painting scenes of heaven. My mother in law
>>> saw his work at the Smithsonian when we went, and picked up copies
>>> of the set of four spring, summer, autumn, winter, and had them
>>> framed in a giant frame for her house. They say something very
>>> profound to her.
>>>
>>> I think the lighting is really pretty.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, pretty. Once, twice, half a dozen times. But I've never seen
>> anything else from him and tend to wonder if he's planning to paint
>> the entirety of heaven, and, if so, how big it is.
>>
>>
>
> Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
> silly woman.
>
> Are you counting the cottages? Have you seen those?
Oh, silly me, yes--I forgot about the infinity. In that case, I really fear
he intends to paint every square inch of it.
Have seen the cottages. Liked them until I noticed he didn't do much else.
Eric Jarvis
> Peachy Ashie Passion wrote:
> > Stacie Hanes wrote:
> >> Peachy Ashie Passion wrote:
> <snip>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, pretty. Once, twice, half a dozen times. But I've never seen
> >> anything else from him and tend to wonder if he's planning to paint
> >> the entirety of heaven, and, if so, how big it is.
> >
> > Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
> > silly woman.
> >
> > Are you counting the cottages? Have you seen those?
>
> Oh, silly me, yes--I forgot about the infinity. In that case, I really fear
> he intends to paint every square inch of it.
>
> Have seen the cottages. Liked them until I noticed he didn't do much else.
>
A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants pretty on
their walls and who wants inspiring.
The two art works I'd most like aren't primarily pretty.
One definitely isn't, it's a large photograph by Carey Young of a rusty
iron fence at a Russian space programme launch facility, on the fence is
the shadow of a launch rocket and alongside it some graffiti. To me it
symbolises how man can look to the stars in the midst of squalor and how
irreverence is part of what makes us capable of it.
The other is more conventionally pretty, but that isn't what it's all
about. It's one of Helen Chadwick's pieces from Body Visual, in which she
worked with an IVF unit.
<http://www.artscatalyst.org/Images/smljpegs/dandelion.jpg>
It's a dandelion ready to seed made by photographing her own donated eggs.
It says to me that there are beginnings everywhere in the world and that
animal, vegetable and mineral are all part of them all. It has some extra
poignancy because Helen died prematurely [1] soon after completing the
works for the exhibition.
Pretty isn't what I need.
[1] "prematurely" meaning younger than I am now.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"if a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing to excess"
Darin Johnson
> A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants pretty on
> their walls and who wants inspiring.
Possibly. The stuff I like in museums is not necessarily the stuff
I want hanging on my wall.
--
Darin Johnson
My shoes are too tight, and I have forgotten how to dance -- Babylon 5
Stacie Hanes
> Stacie Hanes house_d...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Peachy Ashie Passion wrote:
>>> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>>> Peachy Ashie Passion wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the lighting is really pretty.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, pretty. Once, twice, half a dozen times. But I've never seen
>>>> anything else from him and tend to wonder if he's planning to paint
>>>> the entirety of heaven, and, if so, how big it is.
>>>
>>> Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
>>> silly woman.
>>>
>>> Are you counting the cottages? Have you seen those?
>>
>> Oh, silly me, yes--I forgot about the infinity. In that case, I
>> really fear he intends to paint every square inch of it.
>>
>> Have seen the cottages. Liked them until I noticed he didn't do much
>> else.
>>
>
> A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants
> pretty on their walls and who wants inspiring.
>
> The two art works I'd most like aren't primarily pretty.
>
It's possible, perhaps probable. I ought to confess what I like, I suppose.
I like Georgia O'Keefe' I think her stuff is pretty *and* inspiring. I like
some Maplethorpe photos, some Ansel Adams--especially the photos he took of
the Japanese internment camps. I like Joe Phillips, a gay cartoonist. I like
Allan Teger's Bodyscapes, which are available to look at online. There is a
statue called "Redemption" in Jamaica that I like very much.
I didn't intend it, but I just detected a theme. Apparently I like to look
at naked people, especially men. Flowers as well, but mainly naked men.
Rocky Frisco
(Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
Stacie Hanes
> Stacie Hanes wrote:
<what is art>
>>
>> I didn't intend it, but I just detected a theme. Apparently I like
>> to look at naked people, especially men. Flowers as well, but mainly
>> naked men.
>>
>
> (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
First smile today. Thank you.
Stacie Hanes
<see other post, which requires clarification>
>
> (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and gentlemanly
thing to say, for reasons people may or may not understand.
Mark Gallagher
GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
> Rocky Frisco wrote:
> > Stacie Hanes wrote:
> <what is art>
> >> I didn't intend it, but I just detected a theme. Apparently I like
> >> to look at naked people, especially men. Flowers as well, but mainly
> >> naked men.
> >
> > (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>
> First smile today. Thank you.
Looking at Rocky naked makes you laugh? Not sure if he should be
heartened or offended :-)
--
"What? I can't hear you, I've got a banana on my head!"
- Danger Mouse
Web: http://donotuselifts.net/
Email: m [dot] gallagher [at] student [dot] canberra [dot] edu [dot] au
Stacie Hanes
> Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:19:11
> GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>> Stacie Hanes wrote:
>> <what is art>
>>>> I didn't intend it, but I just detected a theme. Apparently I like
>>>> to look at naked people, especially men. Flowers as well, but
>>>> mainly naked men.
>>>
>>> (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>>
>> First smile today. Thank you.
>
> Looking at Rocky naked makes you laugh? Not sure if he should be
> heartened or offended :-)
See, I *knew* I needed to clarify that. :-P
Peachy Ashie Passion
What I want on my walls..
hmm. Dorian Cleavenger. Luis Royo.
And flowers.
What is actually on my wall is "Flowers in a Vase" by Jan
Davidsz de Heem.
Peachy Ashie Passion
> Peachy Ashie Passion res1...@invalid.net wrote:
>
>> Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
>>
>
>
> and yet somehow still never quite has enough shelves for all the books
>
So long as they fit in the house, it's still heaven.
Would be more heavenly with time to read them, of course.
Eric Jarvis
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> > Peachy Ashie Passion res1...@invalid.net wrote:
> >
> >> Stacie! Heaven is infinite!
> >
> > and yet somehow still never quite has enough shelves for all the books
> >
>
> So long as they fit in the house, it's still heaven.
>
> Would be more heavenly with time to read them, of course.
>
Only eternity I'm afraid, still one should be able to get through most of
the best of sf if nothing else.
Of course one will have more time to read because of having to spend less
time listening to music. All the best stuff will be in the other place.
Mark Gallagher
> <see other post, which requires clarification>
> >
> > (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>
> The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and gentlemanly
> thing to say, for reasons people may or may not understand.
I know what you mean (though I couldn't resist making a joke...),
though I don't really understand it. If I did, I suspect I would
"get" people (especially women) a lot better.
OTOH, I'd probably spend more time naked too, and while it's no longer
all that chilly there are bugs & stuff around.
Rocky Frisco
> Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:19:11
> GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>
>>Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>
>>>Stacie Hanes wrote:
>>
>><what is art>
>>
>>>>I didn't intend it, but I just detected a theme. Apparently I like
>>>>to look at naked people, especially men. Flowers as well, but mainly
>>>>naked men.
>>>
>>>(Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>>
>>First smile today. Thank you.
> Looking at Rocky naked makes you laugh? Not sure if he should be
> heartened or offended :-)
The word was "smile." :)
It wasn't me naked that caused that; it was the snappy comeback aspect
of it.
If I walked around here for a while sans clothes, you would all start
calling me "Cohen."
Mark Gallagher
0600, the whole art of rock climbing is...
> If I walked around here for a while sans clothes, you would all start
> calling me "Cohen."
If it helps, I've always considered you a Summer Chicken. A bit
further than Spring, certainly, but you're hardly facing the Winter of
Discontent where it's time to head home to roost...
Stacie Hanes
> Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:23:49
> GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>> <see other post, which requires clarification>
>>>
>>> (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>>
>> The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and
>> gentlemanly thing to say, for reasons people may or may not
>> understand.
>
> I know what you mean (though I couldn't resist making a joke...),
> though I don't really understand it. If I did, I suspect I would
> "get" people (especially women) a lot better.
I found the word. It was gallant.
A lot of us in the US, call it half of those who voted, are really
suffering. Even in a digital sort of situation like this, the combination of
a joke and vulnerability (Rocky uh, probably, wasn't really naked, but you
write it and people picture it whether they want to or not, mostly) was vrey
touching. It cheered me up, and it was pretty cool how he knew what would do
it.
Arthur Hagen
> Mark Gallagher wrote:
>> Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:23:49
>> GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>> <see other post, which requires clarification>
>>>>
>>>> (Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>>>
>>> The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and
>>> gentlemanly thing to say, for reasons people may or may not
>>> understand.
>>
>> I know what you mean (though I couldn't resist making a joke...),
>> though I don't really understand it. If I did, I suspect I would
>> "get" people (especially women) a lot better.
>
> I found the word. It was gallant.
I'd never thought I'd see the word "gallant" used to describe a guy
stripping.
Regards,
--
*Art
Stacie Hanes
>>
>> I found the word. It was gallant.
>
> I'd never thought I'd see the word "gallant" used to describe a guy
> stripping.
Special circumstances.
Mark Gallagher
> > Stacie Hanes <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip>
> >> I found the word. It was gallant.
> >
> > I'd never thought I'd see the word "gallant" used to describe a guy
> > stripping.
>
> Special circumstances.
IRTA "circumcisions".
I'd better just dump all election-related bile onto the 'blog now and
get it over with, rather than trying to distract myself on USENET by
reading about naked men. It can't be healthy.
Diane L.
> I'd better just dump all election-related bile onto the 'blog now and
> get it over with, rather than trying to distract myself on USENET by
> reading about naked men. It can't be healthy.
Works for me.
Diane L.
Rocky Frisco
> Now, as Rocky Frisco might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:11:41 -
> 0600, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>
>>If I walked around here for a while sans clothes, you would all start
>>calling me "Cohen."
> If it helps, I've always considered you a Summer Chicken. A bit
> further than Spring, certainly, but you're hardly facing the Winter of
> Discontent where it's time to head home to roost...
Puck puck puck! Bock bock!
Rocky Frisco
Hey! I'm not just "a guy;" I'm unique!!
Bonzai Kitten
> Re-reading The Art of Discworld with Paul Kidby's superb pictures, I was
> yet again wondering at how artists manage to do it - how they manage to
> *see* what they then put on paper to show the rest of us.
>
> And then I realised that it is easy - artists really *do* have eyes in
> the back of their heads. Not facing backwards to see behind. That would
> be boring, because we can all see behind by simply turning round. No,
> these eyes face *forward* so they can see where the rest of us are blind
> - inside the head.
Pink and mushy. And a bit of shiny grey here and there, depending on your age.
Torak
> Torak wrote:
>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>
>
>>> I like the wee model VW bus by the chambermaid's feet.
>
>> I never saw that!
>>
>> The semi-officialish page:
>>
>> <http://www.portlandgallery.com/index.php?page=jackvettriano>
>
> It's probably a lunchbox or her purse, but it looked like a VW bus so I
> said so. :)
Probably. But it's funnier as a bus.
Rocky Frisco
That's what I thought.
Orjan Westin
>
> Ah. Yes. Gallantry only refers to male stripping under special
> circumstances. I do wonder what the correct thing to do is if one is
> stark naked and covering one's tender parts with a hat when a woman
> enters the room. Saulte, using the hat or ignore saluting.
As a rule, you should get the hat off your head when meeting a lady.
Orjan
Arthur Hagen
>
> Ah. Yes. Gallantry only refers to male stripping under special
> circumstances. I do wonder what the correct thing to do is if one is
> stark naked and covering one's tender parts with a hat when a woman
> enters the room. Saulte, using the hat or ignore saluting.
Just remove your hands from the hat -- if it doesn't fall down, it's a
compliment.
--
*Art
Paul E. Jamison
news:m21xf9o...@head.cathouse.bofh.se...
[snip]
>
> Ah. Yes. Gallantry only refers to male stripping under special
> circumstances. I do wonder what the correct thing to do is if one is
> stark naked and covering one's tender parts with a hat when a woman
> enters the room. Saulte, using the hat or ignore saluting.
>
You could just let the hat hang there.
Paul
--
"Who reads, learns, lives the Ferret Way becomes keeper
of light, ennobling outer worlds from one within."
- a prophecy from the Ancients
Andrew Gray
>
> One definitely isn't, it's a large photograph by Carey Young of a rusty
> iron fence at a Russian space programme launch facility, on the fence is
> the shadow of a launch rocket and alongside it some graffiti. To me it
> symbolises how man can look to the stars in the midst of squalor and how
> irreverence is part of what makes us capable of it.
ObAnecdote: The Soviet /Almaz/ manned-station program was cancelled in
1981, as a result of bureaucratic infighting; the final remnant (a alrge
radar-satellite) was ten days from launch, and was dumped in a corner at
Baikonur. Six years later, they found it, refurbished it and launched
it; it had been presumably been saved from dismantling through people
noticing the "Do Not Enter - Self-Destruct Explosives In Place" labels.
This had not, however, stopped people using the outer fairing as a
toilet.
The midst of squalour, indeed...
--
-Andrew Gray
andre...@dunelm.org.uk
Eric Jarvis
The more I find out about it the stranger the Russian space programme
seems. It's staffed by a lot of dedicated and utterly committed people who
have spent almost their entire careers hating the people they work for and
the uses their labours are put to. I rather like them. They are perfectly
capable of putting their soul into creating a masterful piece of
engineering and then if it gets mothballed symbolically urinating on it.
It's a good metaphor for their whole way of life.
Stacie Hanes
Tsk. One retains one's cover when under arms., she said, wondering whether
anyone would get the rather obscure and protracted joke.
Matthew Seaman
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
> > Stacie Hanes <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Mark Gallagher wrote:
> >>
> >>>Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:23:49
> >>>GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
> >>>
> >>>>Rocky Frisco wrote:
> >>>><see other post, which requires clarification>
> >>>>
> >>>>>(Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
> >>>>
> >>>>The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and
> >>>>gentlemanly thing to say, for reasons people may or may not
> >>>>understand.
> >>>
> >>>I know what you mean (though I couldn't resist making a joke...),
> >>>though I don't really understand it. If I did, I suspect I would
> >>>"get" people (especially women) a lot better.
> >>
> >>I found the word. It was gallant.
>
> > I'd never thought I'd see the word "gallant" used to describe a guy
> > stripping.
>
> Hey! I'm not just "a guy;" I'm unique!!
It's a very good time of year to make it completely plain that you're
not a Guy. Those bonfires get everywhere...
Cheers,
Matthew
--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks
Savill Way
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow
Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK
Sarah Warren
> Torak wrote:
> > Probably. But it's funnier as a bus.
>
> That's what I thought.
I love the thought that it might be, even though I
can't make it look like one to myself!
Daibhid Ceannaideach
Date: 03/11/04 23:41 GMT Standard Time
>A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants pretty on
>their walls and who wants inspiring.
Possibly, but only because those of us who can see the appeal of pretty and
inspiring, but actually want "it's just... *cool*[1]" aren't confident enoiugh
to contribute to the debate.
Pride of place on my wall goes to Kidby's Discworld, which I find pretty *and*
inspiring. But second-pride-of-place goes to Alister Pearson's Doctors and
Monsters, which IMO is neither, but just as cool.
But hey, this is coming from someone who once said "I don't know about art; I
don't even know what I like"...
[1] Not "kewl"; I do have *some* self-respect.
--
Dave
The Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
In life, as in breakfast cereal, it is always best to read the instructions on
the box.
-Thief of Time, Terry Pratchett
Sarah Warren
> Sarah Warren wrote:
>
> > Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
> > and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't
know
> > if
> > I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so if
someone
> > could point me to some good ones...?
>
> I think his stuff is charming, holiday-card-like. Makes me think of
> homesteads and crispy winters and balmy summers. Art doesn't have to
> be tragic or disturbing.
Oh absolutely... I wouldn't, for instance, describe most of Monet or
Renoir to be either of those things.
I'd still describe what I've seen of Kinkade as "naff"... chocolate-box-y...
unreal. I've seen scenes that are just as "pretty" but less sickly. There's
no accounting for taste, of course, and I'm no art-critic. But my reaction
is along the lines of, "yes, pretty like effects I suppose, and all very
quaint... but... so what?" - it does nothing for me.
Sarah Warren
> In article <2us7vrF...@uni-berlin.de>, kass...@yahoo.dk says...
> > Can anyone direct me to a few examples of Kinkade? I googled for images,
> > and the ones I came up with were... well, naff, to be honest. I don't
know
> > if I randomly stumbled across his more naff stuff and that's why, so
> > if someone could point me to some good ones...?
>
> lighting effects were quite amazing - I know nothing about art
> techniques, so I don't know if it's technically difficult or not or
> what, but I thought it was quite striking. Not necessarily something
> I'd want in my home, but impressive nonetheless.
I've only seen it online, and I do agree the lighting affects are clever.
I just like a little more than clever for my art ;-)
> Maybe it would seem less mercenary if he'd only done one or two, and if
> the scenes weren't all so ... let's say quaint, but he's obviously found
> something that makes him money and who can blame him for trying to make
> as much of it as he can? :-)
Call me mean, I'd say "sickly" rather than quaint. But yes, he's very
popular,
and good for him that he's found a money-spinner. Still don't like them
though, I'm afraid!
Sarah Warren
news:cu1hdo6...@nokia.com...
> Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
> > A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants pretty
on
> > their walls and who wants inspiring.
>
> I want hanging on my wall.
I prefer pretty *and* hopefully inspiring too.
I guess there is a split on what one thinks is pretty, too.
It's clear that many people think Kinkade's work is "pretty"...
Ditto Anne Geddes, who also makes me go "so what?"
But others may find that either of these people's art is "pretty",
or even inspiring. I guess it's a matter of taste.
Sarah Warren
> is along the lines of, "yes, pretty like effects I suppose, and all very
pretty LIGHT effects... sorry, can't type, or even think, today.
Eric Jarvis
> From: Eric Jarvis w...@ericjarvis.co.uk
> Date: 03/11/04 23:41 GMT Standard Time
>
>
> >A thought occurs to me. Are we split here on lines of who wants pretty on
> >their walls and who wants inspiring.
>
> Possibly, but only because those of us who can see the appeal of pretty and
> inspiring, but actually want "it's just... *cool*[1]" aren't confident enoiugh
> to contribute to the debate.
>
Just cool is different. I think it covers both, and lot's of other things
too.
I have "just cool" covered by one of the gold discs from "Give Out But
Don't Give Up" by Primal Scream. Anything else is going to have to be cool
in a very specific way to compete.
Rocky Frisco
> Rocky Frisco <ro...@rocky-frisco.com> writes:
>
>
>>Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Stacie Hanes <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mark Gallagher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Now, as Stacie Hanes might have put it on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:23:49
>>>>>GMT, the whole art of rock climbing is...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>>>>><see other post, which requires clarification>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Hastily disrobes) "At your service!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The smile was because I found that to be a rather sweet and
>>>>>>gentlemanly thing to say, for reasons people may or may not
>>>>>>understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know what you mean (though I couldn't resist making a joke...),
>>>>>though I don't really understand it. If I did, I suspect I would
>>>>>"get" people (especially women) a lot better.
>>>>
>>>>I found the word. It was gallant.
>>
>>>I'd never thought I'd see the word "gallant" used to describe a guy
>>>stripping.
>>
>>Hey! I'm not just "a guy;" I'm unique!!
> It's a very good time of year to make it completely plain that you're
> not a Guy. Those bonfires get everywhere...
I'm most definitely a guy; I'm not *just* a guy.
As far as Mister Fawkes goes: see GFD 1994 broadcast of the Jools
Holland Show on BBC 2. I was there.
Richard Bos
> "Darin Johnson" <darin_@_usa_._net> wrote in message
> news:cu1hdo6...@nokia.com...
>
> > Possibly. The stuff I like in museums is not necessarily the stuff
> > I want hanging on my wall.
Not necessarily... then again, those Rafael sketches in the National
Gallery would do _very_ nicely, thank you. BTW, for those of you still
in London, that exhibition is interesting, but smallish and very cramped
on a Saturday afternoon. Go at a less busy time. Worth seeing, though.
> I prefer pretty *and* hopefully inspiring too.
>
> I guess there is a split on what one thinks is pretty, too.
>
> It's clear that many people think Kinkade's work is "pretty"...
Eye-candy, but boring after a (pretty short) while, IYAM.
> Ditto Anne Geddes, who also makes me go "so what?"
Actually, much of Anne Geddes' work makes me go "eww... that's sick!". I
mean... dressing small children up as flowers, or suspending them in
bags from the ceiling... what's _wrong_ with this woman? Didn't her
parents give her enough attention when she was a toddler, or _what_?
Richard
Sarah Warren
> "Sarah Warren" wrote:
> > I prefer pretty *and* hopefully inspiring too.
> >
> > I guess there is a split on what one thinks is pretty, too.
> >
> > It's clear that many people think Kinkade's work is "pretty"...
>
> Eye-candy, but boring after a (pretty short) while, IYAM.
*candy*... yes... sweet, but makes you sick if you eat too much.
> > Ditto Anne Geddes, who also makes me go "so what?"
>
> Actually, much of Anne Geddes' work makes me go "eww... that's sick!". I
> mean... dressing small children up as flowers, or suspending them in
> bags from the ceiling... what's _wrong_ with this woman? Didn't her
> parents give her enough attention when she was a toddler, or _what_?
*laughs* good grief, do you know how relieved I am to know I am not
the only one that thinks she's a bit odd??! so many people will show you
her pictures, or even buy them to put on the wall, or have cards or baby
name books with these poor kiddos dressed as flowers and stuff, and
they are like "oh, isn't it sweet", and I say "mmm" in a non-commital way
whilst thinking "that is FREAKY."
A friend of mine recently paid a fairly large sum for a print of a whole
bunch of babies dressed up (relatively normally for once) and ranged
along what appears to be a miniature ballet barre. When she showed it
to me, hung proudly on her bedroom wall, I really didn't know what
to say. I find it slightly freaky everytime I have to use her computer.
Richard Eney
Sarah Warren <kass...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>"Rocky Frisco" wrote
>> I think his stuff is charming, holiday-card-like. Makes me think of
>> homesteads and crispy winters and balmy summers. Art doesn't have to
>> be tragic or disturbing.
>
>Oh absolutely... I wouldn't, for instance, describe most of Monet or
>Renoir to be either of those things.
>
>I'd still describe what I've seen of Kinkade as "naff"... chocolate-box-y...
>unreal. I've seen scenes that are just as "pretty" but less sickly.
I've seen real sunsets that looked like the cheesiest calendar pictures,
that looked like something from a beginner's art class.
I've seen real mineral specimens that looked like something invented for a
souvenir.
I've seen real scenes of houses, people, trees, etc., that looked like
holiday cards.
I couldn't tell you whether I've ever seen a Kincade picture. But
chocolate-box unreality sometimes really happens.
As Pterry says, "God has no taste."
=Tamar
Sarah Warren
> I've seen real sunsets that looked like the cheesiest calendar pictures,
> that looked like something from a beginner's art class.
> I've seen real mineral specimens that looked like something invented for a
> souvenir.
> I've seen real scenes of houses, people, trees, etc., that looked like
> holiday cards.
Ditto all these.
> I couldn't tell you whether I've ever seen a Kincade picture. But
> chocolate-box unreality sometimes really happens.
Yes, I know. They are very chocolate-boxy, though. And even if
they were painted absolutely from real life scenes to a high degree
of accuracy and with no artistic license to make them prettier... I
still don't like them. Doesn't have to mean they are bad... just not
at all to my taste.
Andrew Gray
> the uses their labours are put to. I rather like them. They are perfectly
> capable of putting their soul into creating a masterful piece of
> engineering and then if it gets mothballed symbolically urinating on it.
> It's a good metaphor for their whole way of life.
[checks]
Would the metaphor be in any way helped by footnoting that, after it was
hauled out of mothballs and launched, the booster failed to seperate for
the first time in several years and it was destroyed?
<g>
--
-Andrew Gray
andre...@dunelm.org.uk
Lady Kayla
[...]
> (An AFPer artist, they're are a few of us.)
*wave*
> [1] I never know anyone who is vaguely creative to be happy with their
> end result. Usually they'll say "if I had more time/ if photoshop
> hadn't crashed/ if I used oils instead/ If I used lame instead of
> cotton..."
I've always been told that if (as an artist) you can look at a piece of work and say "that
is the best I will ever be able to do" it is time to stop and move on to something else.
And I have to agree with the sentiment. Once you stop reaching for your best, once you
feel you've got there, you have no goal and might as well be working on a production line
instead of creating works of art. If you feel you've got nothing more to learn, you'll get
bored anyway :)
There's a reason why I work in several different forms - I know me, I am easily bored. If
I get a bit fed up with all the glass-painting, I can spend a week doing watercolours or
oils or mosaics or jewellery/beading, then go back to the glass feeling fresh and looking
to try new techniques. I'm still not sure how I got here, I spent 30 years saying "I can't
paint. I am not artistic, I'm a geek." I'm sure I'd confuse those left brain/right brain
experts out there.
--
Lady Kayla http://designs.ladykayla.org/
"Cheese crawling across the table is a sure sign that it is alive,
too, but we don't have to eat it..." Terry Pratchett in AFP.