Newbie here
nemo
group because of the huge wombats thread.
Odd. I thought wombats were quite small. Still - a large and humorous thread
is a good way to Foil the original cross-poster, innit?!
Nemo.
Ophelia
"nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet> wrote in message
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O waves to Nemo
nemo
"Ophelia" <Oph...@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
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Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu - Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
You *do* turn up, down and sideways in some strange places!
Melmite
I found Nemo!
(Sorry, couldn't resist, welcome from a fellow newbie)
Sofia
>> > After undergoing an Epée-dural, Sabremeister Brian pointed me towards
> this
>> > group because of the huge wombats thread.
>> >
>> > Odd. I thought wombats were quite small. Still - a large and humorous
>> thread
>> > is a good way to Foil the original cross-poster, innit?!
>>
>> O waves to Nemo
>>
Hello and welcome to the three of you newbie's, I suppose I'm a little of
an annoying old bag actually, but I've only been around on Pterry's
newsgroup for 2 years this January, so I haven't been around here as long
as a lot of the others, (such as young Sabremeister Brian of course) who
practically live here now!
Last time I mentioned that wombats were cute, sweet, and lovable little
creatures, an Australian in the newsgroup answered how they had a nose
that was so strong, it could smash the front end of a truck - so residents
preferred to stay away from them!! :-)
Sofie
--
Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
Gid Holyoake
generously decided to share with us..
Snippetry..
> I've only been around on Pterry's
> newsgroup for 2 years this January, so I haven't been around here as long
> as a lot of the others, (such as young Sabremeister Brian of course)
Well he's a newbie, so what does that make you?.. mind you.. I'm a
relative newbie too.. just not quite a new a newbie as you..
Gid
Geoff Field
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:28:28 +0000, nemo wrote:
>
>>>> After undergoing an Epée-dural, Sabremeister Brian pointed me
>>>> towards this group because of the huge wombats thread.
>>>>
>>>> Odd. I thought wombats were quite small. Still - a large and
>>>> humorous thread is a good way to Foil the original cross-poster,
>>>> innit?!
>>>
>>> O waves to Nemo
>>>
>
> Hello and welcome to the three of you newbie's, I suppose I'm a
> little of an annoying old bag actually, but I've only been around on
> Pterry's newsgroup for 2 years this January, so I haven't been around
> here as long as a lot of the others, (such as young Sabremeister
> Brian of course) who practically live here now!
I first posted to this group somewhere around 1994, but not very often.
I've ceased regarding Sofia as a newbie - she's fitted in better than I
ever have.
And 'twas I who replied to the troll [0], thereby spawning the monster
wombat thread[1].
> Last time I mentioned that wombats were cute, sweet, and lovable
> little creatures, an Australian in the newsgroup answered how they
> had a nose that was so strong, it could smash the front end of a
> truck - so residents preferred to stay away from them!! :-)
I think wombats smashing trucks with their noses might be
somewhat akin to drop bears and hoop snakes ;-)
They're about the size of a medium-sized pig, but with shorter
legs. They're such solid beasts that running into them in a car
is likely to cause significant damage to the car[2].
They're unlikely to stay around to be attacked, but they do
have strong claws they use for digging. They certainly won't
attack - not unless you're a grub or a root vegeable.
Geoff
[0] after modifying the follow-ups somewhat of course so as to
avoid feeding the trolls too much
[1] Now *there's* a thread and a half in the making. Apparently
the fossil record shows evidence of monster wombats back when
Aus still had volcanoes (and probably real mountains, too).
[2] It doesn't do the wombat much good either ;-)
--
Geoff Field
Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
nemo
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exaggerated example I replied, "Do these wombats by any chance eat spinach?"
! :o)
nemo
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Saw em digging on a nature documentary once where they also showed their
supreme intelligence!
One was digging away frantically and all the muck and stones were going
straight into the face of another one - who just stood there blinking, not
having the sense to move out of the way!
nemo
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I found Nemo!
Fan queue! (I'm also on a.h.puns a lot.)
I'd been using Nemo for quite some time when the film came out, and I can
still remember the first time I saw the poster with the huge shark with the
wicked grin. This was on London Underground and I laughed so much I got some
very odd looks from some of the other passengers!
Sabremeister Brian
Gid Holyoake (ab...@brynamman.org.uk) spake thusly:
'tis true - I have been around AFP for something approaching 5 years
now, and I still, when replying to some posters, feel like a newbie.
--
www.sabremeister.me.uk
www.livejournal.com/users/sabremeister/
Use brian at sabremeister dot me dot uk to reply
Literary threat #19:
They say the pen is mightier than the sword -
and I'm pretty handy with both, you know...
CCA
> 'tis true - I have been around AFP for something approaching 5 years
> now, and I still, when replying to some posters, feel like a newbie.
Me too - I've been here for about five and a half, but still feel like
a newbie when replying to people who've been here since the group was
first formed.
And I just typed 'newbie' as 'newbite'.
CCA
Sofia
> Me too - I've been here for about five and a half, but still feel like
> a newbie when replying to people who've been here since the group was
> first formed.
> And I just typed 'newbie' as 'newbite'.
Oh dear, I've been *reading* Pterry's books for less time than that!! It
sounds shameful thinking about it, and most of you lot were all here
when I first arrived, but I guess it's nice to feel two years old again,
and to have a five year old big brother, and a five and a half year old
big sister- you could have both come to the childrens booksigning with me
where Pterry was signing copies of Wintersmith, on the 25th this month you
would have both fitted in nicely with me at that age! :-)
froarulv
Sofia skrev:
and I'd probably would have fitted in nicely with you as well, at the
ripe young age of 31:-)
Welcome Nemo Just remember to post after the text you're replying to
and you'll do fine.
-Frank-
nemo
"froarulv" <froa...@online.no> wrote in message
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I always say you should only pop toast if you are the Reverend Spooner and
do enough for everyone and put nice strawberry jam on it.
GaryN
80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:
I've been on and off since 1994 and I always feel like a newbie when I come
back because things change.
gary
--
"If Americans had longer attention spans, who knows the follies they could
have wrought?"
Jack Womak
esmi
> I've been on and off since 1994 and I always feel like a newbie when I come
> back because things change.
Yeh but are we talking about 'on and off Usenet' or your bike?
<g,d &rlb>
--
esmi
A Brief Guide to alt.fan.pratchett:
http://www.blackwidows.co.uk/afp-guide/
GaryN
> on 02/12/2006 05:22 GaryN said the following:
>
>> I've been on and off since 1994 and I always feel like a newbie when
>> I come back because things change.
>
> Yeh but are we talking about 'on and off Usenet' or your bike?
>
> <g,d &rlb>
>
The last "On and Off (emphasis on 'right leg under under') my bike"
resulted in this
http://www.oxtoyrun.org.uk/EVEpics/myleg.html....:-(
13 Sept when someone ran into the back of me on a roundabout[1] - if the
Oracle knows how to control a 1000cc motorcycle when hit unexpectedly from
behind please tell me....:-)
12 inches of titanium holding my tibia together and more surgery to come.
I'm sick of freezer meals and Sue is sick of doing shoppping for me.
gary
[1]Apparently too busy on her mobile to look properly (according to one
witness)
esmi
> The last "On and Off (emphasis on 'right leg under under') my bike"
> resulted in this
> http://www.oxtoyrun.org.uk/EVEpics/myleg.html....:-(
Owwww! :-(
> 13 Sept when someone ran into the back of me on a roundabout[1] - if the
> Oracle knows how to control a 1000cc motorcycle when hit unexpectedly from
> behind please tell me....:-)
IIRC, from accounts from other past biker friends, the only sure
solution is to leave the bike at home - though that pretty much defeats
the object of owning it.
> 12 inches of titanium holding my tibia together and more surgery to come.
Ah but will you be able to do Wolverine impressions long term?
<snip>
> [1]Apparently too busy on her mobile to look properly (according to one
> witness)
Mobiles should be banned when driving - full stop. Even if they're
'hands free', people fiddle with them too much when their attention
should be on the road. The punishment for causing an accident in this
way should involved the offending mobile and the driver being brought
together in a manner that would, at least, be memorable from the
driver's pov and would probably stop them doing anything in a sitting
position for a day or so.
April Goodwin-Smith
> GaryN said the following:
>> The last "On and Off (emphasis on 'right leg under under')
>> my bike" resulted in this
>> http://www.oxtoyrun.org.uk/EVEpics/myleg.html....:-(
> Owwww! :-(
>> [1]Apparently too busy on her mobile to look properly
>> (according to one witness)
> Mobiles should be banned when driving - full stop. Even if
> they're 'hands free', people fiddle with them too much when
> their attention should be on the road. The punishment for
> causing an accident in this way should involved the offending
> mobile and the driver being brought together in a manner that
> would, at least, be memorable from the driver's pov and
> would probably stop them doing anything in a sitting position for a day or
> so.
>
I think a more memorable sentence would be undetermined
community service hours where, in this case for instance, she
has to do Gary's shopping and cooking until he is able to do
it for himself again. And, no, she's not allowed to do it once
a week with a security bracelet on her ankle, but every day
one hot meal & the day's washing up has to be done. And,
no, she's not allowed to hire a service to do this for her.
Of course, Gary might not want her in his home.
April.
esmi
> I think a more memorable sentence would be undetermined
> community service hours where, in this case for instance, she
> has to do Gary's shopping and cooking until he is able to do
> it for himself again.
Good idea!
<snip>
> Of course, Gary might not want her in his home.
In which case, she could pay for a full time cook/housekeeper.
nemo
"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodw...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Narr. Like a monarch with a speech defect, they should be dephoned!
GaryN
I like this idea - particularly as my partner is currently doing all this
whilst trying to write a technical manual, on a tight deadline, for a
well known software company.
I feel horribly guilty about the fact that she's putting in 10+ hour days
at work, coming round to my place to cook dinner, and then going home to
feed her cat, shower and sleep.
I tried to do the hoovering the other day - got the power cable tangled
in one crutch, the hose looped around the other, and nearly fell over.
I just feel so bloody useless at the moment:-)
gary
--
"You need someone to ride shotgun"
'Do we?'
"Yes - I just wish we *had* a shotgun"
Jack McDevitt in "Chindi"
Eric Jarvis
<Xns989720ABD83B7g...@212.23.3.119>:
>
> I just feel so bloody useless at the moment:-)
>
I've learned a "trick" for this. When you are ill or injured you have one
single primary responsibility. To recover. That's something you should see
as a chore. It's something that only you can do, and just as useful for
everyone else in the long term as doing the washing up or vacuuming the
floor. So when you don't do something because it's putting a strain on
your injury or making you more ill, you aren't failing to do something,
you are taking a positive step to get better.
If you are like me you'll still feel useless a lot of the time, but it
helps a little.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
SteveD
>Mobiles should be banned when driving - full stop. Even if they're
>'hands free', people fiddle with them too much when their attention
>should be on the road. The punishment for causing an accident in this
>way should involved the offending mobile and the driver being brought
>together in a manner that would, at least, be memorable from the
>driver's pov and would probably stop them doing anything in a sitting
>position for a day or so.
How about confiscation of both vehicle and phone on top of any other
penalties? And no, they can't have the SIM card back. They've proved
themselves incapable of using the items responsibly.
-SteveD
esmi
> GaryN ga...@scaryriders.com wrote in
> <Xns989720ABD83B7g...@212.23.3.119>:
>> I just feel so bloody useless at the moment:-)
<snip>
> So when you don't do something because it's putting a strain on
> your injury or making you more ill, you aren't failing to do something,
> you are taking a positive step to get better.
<snip>
I also find it helpful to make a list of all of the things you *do*
manage to do. And I mean *all*. Like getting out of bed by yourself or
drawing the curtains unaided. Apart from the fact that we tend to take
all of these little things for granted and, hence, don't consider them
as 'useful things wot we have done today', it can also help chart your
progress.
One of the most depressing things about a long recovery is that it seems
as if, day to day, there is no change. In fact, viewed over weeks, there
*is* change. We just don't see it because it's the accumulation of lots
of very small steps. Keeping a list not only helps you to focus on the
positive when the natural inclination is to only see the negatives but
it's easier to see the improvements over a short period of time as the
list gets longer.
peachy ashie passion
Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people cause
problems with?
The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because she
was grabbing a new CD...
Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she can't
handle it responsibly?
SteveD
<exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people cause
>problems with?
>
> The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because she
>was grabbing a new CD...
>
> Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she can't
>handle it responsibly?
No, just take that CD. And the car :)
Esmeraldus
> SteveD wrote:
<driving & etc>
>> How about confiscation of both vehicle and phone on top of any
>> other penalties? And no, they can't have the SIM card back.
>> They've proved themselves incapable of using the items responsibly.
>
>
> Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people
> cause problems with?
>
> The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because
> she was grabbing a new CD...
>
> Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she
> can't handle it responsibly?
Don't be silly. Only music *on CD*, obviously.
Sofia
> I also find it helpful to make a list of all of the things you *do*
> manage to do. And I mean *all*. Like getting out of bed by yourself or
> drawing the curtains unaided. Apart from the fact that we tend to take
> all of these little things for granted and, hence, don't consider them
> as 'useful things wot we have done today', it can also help chart your
> progress.
It's funny, but the reason I missed Terry's programme on the the 11'th
about the Hogswatch movie is because I was finishing off all week, and
just sent off another one of those horrid benefit forms asking many of
these types of questions (I don't know why they keep sending me them)!
It was asking me questions like "can you lift a piece of paper if you
kneel", "can you stand from a chair with a back and no arms", "can you
read large print with your spectacles on", "can you walk up a flight of 12
steps", and other simple questions like these. I mean I have no idea why
they sent it to me as I filled in a similar form earlier this year,
although I filled in the parts on epileptic seizures and sent it off.
There was also a part about heart attacks, so I wouldn't be surprised if
Pterry's received one too!
GaryN
news:pan.2006.12.12....@ALLCAPSyahoo.com:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:45:47 +0000, esmi wrote:
>
>> I also find it helpful to make a list of all of the things you *do*
>> manage to do. And I mean *all*. Like getting out of bed by yourself
>> or drawing the curtains unaided. Apart from the fact that we tend to
>> take all of these little things for granted and, hence, don't
>> consider them as 'useful things wot we have done today', it can also
>> help chart your progress.
There are a lot of things that I *can* do. I can walk to the bus stop
and get on a bus. I can go to the pub and buy a drink. What I can't do
are simple things like cook - not due to pain but because the bloody
crutches get in the way.
> It's funny, but the reason I missed Terry's programme on the the 11'th
> about the Hogswatch movie is because I was finishing off all week,
> and just sent off another one of those horrid benefit forms asking
> many of these types of questions (I don't know why they keep sending
> me them)!
>
> It was asking me questions like "can you lift a piece of paper if you
> kneel", "can you stand from a chair with a back and no arms", "can you
> read large print with your spectacles on", "can you walk up a flight
> of 12 steps", and other simple questions like these. I mean I have no
> idea why they sent it to me as I filled in a similar form earlier this
> year, although I filled in the parts on epileptic seizures and sent it
> off.
DSS "Do you consider yourself disabled at the moment?"
Me "No I'm filling in a disability living allowance form just for the
hell of it"
DSS "Can you walk up a flight of 12 steps?"
Me "Is that with or without crutches?"
DSS "Can you stand for 10 minutes without discomfort"
Me "On which leg - the good one or the broken one?"
DSS "Can you see your hand in front of your face?"
Me "Depends on how dark and foggy it is. Can you see my fist approaching
your face?"
DSS "Are you pregnant"
Me "If I am I won't be needing this benefit - see ticked box : sex=male"
Bloody stupid and I've done 3 since the accident.
What is difficult about "Here is a sick note from my doctor who says my
leg is broken and I can't work until February"?
The real PiA is that I was due to start a long term contract on the
Monday 10 days after the accident.
In the meantime I've just missed my favourite season in the woods (can't
safely handle a 12 bore with crutches) and I have the wonderful world of
trying to help my mother look after 4 ponies following her cataract
operation[1].
I am *not* relishing the idea of going into a loosebox with a 1/2 ton
pony when I can't move out of the way quickly!
gary
[1]No lifting, bending, sweeping, feeding the cat[2] or cooking -
swearing had better be allowed!
[2]This is not such a problem - the cat kills crows for fun[3].
[3]And bats, rabbits, pheasants, voles, mice, blue tit chicks, grass
snakes, moles (I don't know how either!), pigeons, frogs etc......
For all I know she kills badgers and foxes too but can't drag them home -
I've certainly seen her looking at the ponies as if judging where to hit
them!
GaryN
@mud.stack.nl:
You mean the Queen albums in the car..:-)
gary
nemo
"SteveD" <use...@vo.id.au> wrote in message
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of having a Construction and Use Regulation saying that a car must have a
functioning horn when many idiot drivers drive around with music so loud
they wouldn't hear a blasted WMD go off?
Terribly loud music in a car *must* be more distracting than a mobile phone
but this never seems to occur to anyone.
Just goes to show that we've got a music industry that can do no wrong, I
suppose.
And there're a number of other aspects:
The pounding beat of Satan's Song,
Reaching out, enthrals the young.
The violent beat - not drum - but blows, or gun.
The wailing song, too loud and fierce
Has ruined generations' ears.
Their minds, they are conditioned too
So nothing else but Satan's Song will do.
A thousand years of melody? they pass it by - all gone.
For the great commercial con of Satan's Song!
Music once the savage beast would soothe.
Now, only savage music's in the groove.
Music's vandals, growing rich
Say, "This is cool. Buy it, stupid bitch!"
And while their ill-earned wealth increases
A generation's hearing slowly ceases.
ŠNemo
nemo
"peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Be nice. Buy her a CD auto-changer.
nemo
"GaryN" <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote in message
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> "Esmeraldus" <muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote in news:elml0u$2k61$1
> @mud.stack.nl:
>
> > peachy ashie passion wrote:
> >> SteveD wrote:
> >
> > <driving & etc>
> >
> >>> How about confiscation of both vehicle and phone on top of any
> >>> other penalties? And no, they can't have the SIM card back.
> >>> They've proved themselves incapable of using the items responsibly.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people
> >> cause problems with?
> >>
> >> The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because
> >> she was grabbing a new CD...
> >>
> >> Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she
> >> can't handle it responsibly?
> >
> > Don't be silly. Only music *on CD*, obviously.
>
> You mean the Queen albums in the car..:-)
>
The National Antem isn't long enough for a whole album.
SteveD
>Terribly loud music in a car *must* be more distracting than a mobile phone
>but this never seems to occur to anyone.
Not necessarily. You don't have to pay attention to music.
James Mitchelhill
> Terribly loud music in a car *must* be more distracting than a mobile phone
> but this never seems to occur to anyone.
>
> Just goes to show that we've got a music industry that can do no wrong, I
> suppose.
>
> And there're a number of other aspects:
>
>
> The pounding beat of Satan's Song,
> Reaching out, enthrals the young.
<snip>
"A degenerated and demoralizing musical system is given a disgusting
christening as 'swing' and turned loose to gnaw away the moral fiber
of young people... Jam sessions, jitterbugs and cannibalistic rhythmic
orgies are wooing our youth along the primrose path to Hell!"
-- the Archbishop of Dublique, 1938
--
James Mitchelhill
ja...@disorderfeed.net
http://disorderfeed.net
Richard Heathfield
That's the last time I offer *you* a lift. :-)
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
esmi
<snip>
[re filling in a DSS form]
> DSS "Do you consider yourself disabled at the moment?"
<snip>
> Bloody stupid and I've done 3 since the accident.
Find out if you have a Welfare Rights Office in your area. The local
Citizens' Advice should have the number. Or the local library. Phone
them. Ask for an appointment. They should offer to come out to see you.
Get *them* to fill in the form with you.
Completing these forms could be described as a black art and these
people are the experts. Getting their help is well worth it.
Sofia
>>Terribly loud music in a car *must* be more distracting than a mobile
>>phone but this never seems to occur to anyone.
>
> Not necessarily. You don't have to pay attention to music.
I agree completely!! I wouldn't know what to do without hubby's car music
system on long journey's through the countryside, or it even keeps me
company on just a short journey to the supermarket and back. I don't
actually care whether hubby's playing something harder from his own
music that he keeps in the glove compartment, or sometimes just the
softer classical music from radio 3, he always keeps it very low anyway,
so it's a lovely sound as background noise as we speak.
As for a mobile phone, if a driver is by him/herself and it rings, firstly
the chime distracts them from the road, then they have to take one hand
off the steering wheel to answer it, then they pay almost all their
attention on trying to concentrate on what the person on the other end is
saying to them, and how to reply! Personally I hate them, and would say
they're gruesome, little objects that should never have been invented in
the first place! :-)
GaryN
news:apngb4op91uh$.k2mtsmj9...@40tude.net:
> "A degenerated and demoralizing musical system is given a disgusting
> christening as 'swing' and turned loose to gnaw away the moral fiber
> of young people... Jam sessions, jitterbugs and cannibalistic rhythmic
> orgies are wooing our youth along the primrose path to Hell!"
> -- the Archbishop of Dublique, 1938
>
He was right - I like AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Motorhead and Metallica
myself..:-)
gary
GaryN
> on 13/12/2006 01:24 GaryN said the following:
>
> <snip>
> [re filling in a DSS form]
>> DSS "Do you consider yourself disabled at the moment?"
> <snip>
>> Bloody stupid and I've done 3 since the accident.
>
> Find out if you have a Welfare Rights Office in your area. The local
> Citizens' Advice should have the number. Or the local library. Phone
> them. Ask for an appointment. They should offer to come out to see you.
> Get *them* to fill in the form with you.
>
> Completing these forms could be described as a black art and these
> people are the experts. Getting their help is well worth it.
>
Oddly enough I did exactly that - the guy who came round had to be let in
by someone else as I couldn't get to the door.
He proceeded to ask me all the same questions and practically expected me
to demonstrate my inability to do said tasks.
It was actually slightly humiliating.
gary
froarulv
GaryN skrev:
> James Mitchelhill <ja...@disorderfeed.net> wrote in
> news:apngb4op91uh$.k2mtsmj9...@40tude.net:
>
>
> > "A degenerated and demoralizing musical system is given a disgusting
> > christening as 'swing' and turned loose to gnaw away the moral fiber
> > of young people... Jam sessions, jitterbugs and cannibalistic rhythmic
> > orgies are wooing our youth along the primrose path to Hell!"
> > -- the Archbishop of Dublique, 1938
> >
>
> He was right - I like AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Motorhead and Metallica
> myself..:-)
>
-Frank-
Sabremeister Brian
SteveD (use...@vo.id.au) spake thusly:
You have probably never been passed by a Ford Fiesta or VW Golf GTi,
with front-and-rear valances, extra low-profile tyres and alloy
wheels, what the driver thinks is a race-tuned engine, go-faster
stripes, UV running lights, blue sidelights, blue windscreen washer
nozzle lights, blacked out windows, and some distressingly bass-heavy
hip hop beat making the houses shake on the other side of the road.
And this is with the windows up, on the far side of the road, in
moving urban traffic, and you can still hear the words (such as they
are) clearly. *That* is terribly loud music.
--
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www.livejournal.com/users/sabremeister/
Use brian at sabremeister dot me dot uk to reply
The problem with being in the rat-race is:
Even if you win, you're still a rat.
Lesley Weston
ga...@scaryriders.com wrote on 12/12/2006 5:27 PM:
> "Esmeraldus" <muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote in news:elml0u$2k61$1
> @mud.stack.nl:
>
>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>> SteveD wrote:
>>
>> <driving & etc>
>>
>>>> How about confiscation of both vehicle and phone on top of any
>>>> other penalties? And no, they can't have the SIM card back.
>>>> They've proved themselves incapable of using the items responsibly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people
>>> cause problems with?
>>>
>>> The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because
>>> she was grabbing a new CD...
>>>
>>> Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she
>>> can't handle it responsibly?
>>
>> Don't be silly. Only music *on CD*, obviously.
>
> You mean the Queen albums in the car..:-)
On eight-track, weren't they? Our last car before this had an eight-track
player and we were lucky enough to find two tapes in a jumble sale. We left
them in the car for *ever*, but they insisted on remaining Paul Simon.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Lesley Weston
Sofia
>> DSS "Do you consider yourself disabled at the moment?"
> <snip>
>> Bloody stupid and I've done 3 since the accident.
>
> Find out if you have a Welfare Rights Office in your area. The local
> Citizens' Advice should have the number. Or the local library. Phone
> them. Ask for an appointment. They should offer to come out to see you.
> Get *them* to fill in the form with you.
>
> Completing these forms could be described as a black art and these
> people are the experts. Getting their help is well worth it.
Hi Gary, this is true, though the deadline is the 22nd this month I think
so you're going to have to hurry up! The only reason why I finished mine
so quickly is because I had a little help from my NSE forum (National
Society of Epilepsy) on what these people looked for on most of these
forms.
They replied on my computer that because these people didn't know me or
anything about my condition to just treat them like idiots.
You have to tell them that you can't sit on a chair, stand by yourself or
walk a few steps or up the stairs unassisted - and explain why in the
space given - I did too, but just added it would only be during a seizure
that I couldn't manage these tasks. You could get more points than me on
this one, as you can't manage most of them 24hrs a day!
The NSE also said that 2 of the most important things they look for on
these forms on what you can and can't do around the house are in the
kitchen, and whilst decorating, so don't leave them out! In the kitchen
write about handling sharp objects and preparing and cooking food etc, and
when decorating, it's doing tasks like working electric power-tools, and
falling off chairs etc - there are much more different tasks your helper
can probably think of, but I've forgotten them now. These also seem to
work well in both your case and mine, I used them to the best of my
advantage - you can too.
Do seek help quickly though, since you haven't got much time left. Also,
if possible, print it all out on you computer first and keep it for
reference, or try to take a photocopy or something - this is just in case
they send you another form and you've forgotten what you've written on
this one!
esmi
> Oddly enough I did exactly that - the guy who came round had to be
> let in by someone else as I couldn't get to the door. He proceeded to
> ask me all the same questions and practically expected me to
> demonstrate my inability to do said tasks. It was actually slightly
> humiliating.
Sounds like you either drew the short straw or you misunderstood what he
was trying to do. The woman we had was great. Very helpful and
sympathetic. Kept reminding us to 'imagine you're having a really bad
day before you answer this question...'. On a couple of them, she asked
additional questions and then suggested that we might want to revise the
original answer - always in our favour.
These forms can be humiliating as they concentrate on what you can't do
rather than what you can. Generally, people are proud of being
independant - even if it takes three times longer than might be expected
to do a given task. So they'll say "Yes - I can do that" without
stopping to think how long it takes them, the rigmarole they go through
or how exhausted they are afterwards.
The Welfare Rights people can't complete the form for you or give you
the answers. From what I could see, they work by trying to help
potential claimants decide whether they are going to extraordinary
lengths to complete very ordinary tasks. If this is the case, then the
claimant can quite honestly answer "No" to many of the questions that
s/he might have otherwise answered "Yes" to. So they can push and ask
lots of extra questions sometimes - usually because they suspect you may
answering automatically without considering these additional factors.
You need to keep in mind that they're on your side and are trying to
help you establish as water-tight a claim as possible.
As it turned out, we didn't go through with the claim as the officer did
the math and worked out that we wouldn't gain anything compared to what
we were getting with our current claim (which was unchallenged) other
than a lot of hassle. But it was an interesting experience and she gave
us a few tips for completing these kinds of forms in future.
SteveD
<bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You have probably never been passed by a Ford Fiesta or VW Golf GTi,
>with front-and-rear valances, extra low-profile tyres and alloy
>wheels, what the driver thinks is a race-tuned engine, go-faster
>stripes, UV running lights, blue sidelights, blue windscreen washer
>nozzle lights, blacked out windows, and some distressingly bass-heavy
>hip hop beat making the houses shake on the other side of the road.
>And this is with the windows up, on the far side of the road, in
>moving urban traffic, and you can still hear the words (such as they
>are) clearly. *That* is terribly loud music.
Ah, but for this, you need a rack of Doof-seeking missiles.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: esmi <es...@lspace.org>
> on 14/12/2006 00:35 GaryN said the following:
>> esmi <es...@lspace.org> wrote in
>> news:elplln$5q0$1...@mud.stack.nl:
> [re Welfare Rights]
>
>> Oddly enough I did exactly that - the guy who came round
>> had to be let in by someone else as I couldn't get to the
>> door. He proceeded to ask me all the same questions and
>> practically expected me to demonstrate my inability to do
>> said tasks. It was actually slightly humiliating.
>
> Sounds like you either drew the short straw or you
> misunderstood what he was trying to do. The woman we had
> was great. Very helpful and sympathetic. Kept reminding us
> to 'imagine you're having a really bad day before you
> answer this question...'. On a couple of them, she asked
> additional questions and then suggested that we might want
> to revise the original answer - always in our favour.
My sister drew the short straw as well; she kepy being asked
the exact opposite: "And can you *never* do this?" Eventually
the doctor sent a letter to Social Services saying "There's no
point checking she's still as bad every six months; she will
be and the last thing she needs is extra hassle."
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://sesoc.eusa.ed.ac.uk/
"The need to compile lists is a personality disorder,
as is the need to assert the superiority of some things
over other things."
-Jeremy Hardy
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: James Mitchelhill <ja...@disorderfeed.net>
And then there was Liszt, supposed to have sold his soul to
the Devil 100 years before Robert Johnson and author of the
Mephisto Waltz, and Paganini, who like modern performers,
deliberately culitivated an appropriate image (black coach and
horses, going into spasm while playing, etc.)
Anyway, I grew up near a Wee Free Kirk. *All* music (except
the unaccompanied singing of Psalms) is the work of the Deil,
isn't it?
Eric Jarvis
<Xns98997F0D...@130.133.1.4>:
> The time: 14 Dec 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: esmi <es...@lspace.org>
>
> > on 14/12/2006 00:35 GaryN said the following:
> >> esmi <es...@lspace.org> wrote in
> >> news:elplln$5q0$1...@mud.stack.nl:
> > [re Welfare Rights]
> >
> >> Oddly enough I did exactly that - the guy who came round
> >> had to be let in by someone else as I couldn't get to the
> >> door. He proceeded to ask me all the same questions and
> >> practically expected me to demonstrate my inability to do
> >> said tasks. It was actually slightly humiliating.
> >
> > Sounds like you either drew the short straw or you
> > misunderstood what he was trying to do. The woman we had
> > was great. Very helpful and sympathetic. Kept reminding us
> > to 'imagine you're having a really bad day before you
> > answer this question...'. On a couple of them, she asked
> > additional questions and then suggested that we might want
> > to revise the original answer - always in our favour.
>
> My sister drew the short straw as well; she kepy being asked
> the exact opposite: "And can you *never* do this?" Eventually
> the doctor sent a letter to Social Services saying "There's no
> point checking she's still as bad every six months; she will
> be and the last thing she needs is extra hassle."
>
I'm lucky. My current situation is that a DSS doctor has decided that I
also shouldn't be hassled. At some point they'll want to do another
medical exam, but it's not likely to be any time soon, and I have high
hopes that I'll actually get to tell them I'm better before it happens.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
nemo
OK. Forget the comparison for now and just consider my other points in
isolation.
As I said - you *do* have to be able to pay attention to other drivers'
horns, *and* the sirens on emergency vehicles.
There have been many incidents reported where drivers of emergency vehicles
have got stuck behind cars with hugely loud stereos blaring and have had to
get out and bang on the car's windscreen to get the driver's attention and
get him to move out of the way. An ambulance driver has even been assaulted
in these circumstances.
In this way, people's lives are being put at risk by idiots who drive around
in this manner.
And at those sort of volumes, you have no choice but to take notice of the
music, and low-frequency 'mega-bass' sounds have been proved to be the most
distracting and nerve-wracking. (Source: A documentary about sound as a
weapon of war many years ago.)
And if, as you say, drivers don't take any notice of the music they have on
in their cars, why do they have it on at all?
Nemo.
Aidan Karley
> I tried to do the hoovering the other day - got the power cable tangled
> in one crutch, the hose looped around the other, and nearly fell over.
>
> I just feel so bloody useless at the moment:-)
>
Invest a useful hour over on uk.d-i-y irritating the electricicians
with questions about where you can get the old style of power plug that
connects into a light socket. Shorten (as in, gaffer tape) the power lead
until it's just long enough to get from the central light fitting to the
corners of the room. One entanglement removed.
While still clutching your gaffer tape, attach the cleaner hose to
one crutch. Two entanglements reduced to one.
Going from 4 entanglements to (about) 2 should give you a
significant feeling of achievement, lots of amusing tales to entertain afp
with, and might even get the hoovering done.
--
Aidan Karley, FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland
Don't go towards the sandwiches!
Aidan Karley
> Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she can't
> handle it responsibly?
>
"How to be an Ear, Nose and Throat Surgeon".
Aidan Karley
> What's the point
> of having a Construction and Use Regulation saying that a car must have a
> functioning horn when many idiot drivers drive around with music so loud
> they wouldn't hear a blasted WMD go off?
>
say "You're not bringing that contraption onto company property, including
the car park. And you're not allowed to use that machine for anything work
related, including getting to and from work. If you do, you're violating
company health and safety rules concerning noise hazards, which is a three
written warnings and you're out job. Here's your first written warning."
nemo
"Sofia" <pinkmonste...@ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.12.14....@ALLCAPSyahoo.com...
comparison to make with the sort of 'audio extremists' I was referring to.
I was talking about people who put their stereos on so loud that the whole
neighbourhood has to listen to their usually abysmal taste in music. We've
got plenty of those here in London, and they're not particular about the
time of day or night they cause the disturbance either.
If this were not true, we would not have had a law enacted several years ago
to try to solve the problem, and we would not have had police officers and
Environmental Health officers on TV a year or two ago describing how another
new law - a successful one this time - which gives the police powers to
seize and destroy any vehicles being driven or used in such a way as to
cause disturbance or alarm could be used in such cases.
This law has also been very useful in dealing with the many hooligans we had
racing around here on stolen motor scooters during the summer - and one
brand new scooter which was stopped on *my* evidence of dangerous driving
was crushed when the rider was caught red-handed by police with the vehicle
in an unroadworthy condition because he'd tampered with it. Judging by teh
racket he was making, he'd at least removed the baffle from the silencer or
the entire silencer and had probably removed the speed limiter as well.
His father had bought it for him for his birthday and was very displeased
indeed - not with the police for nicking him, which made a nice change, but
with his son for being such a total a*se-head! (Source: The police officer
who had stopped him.)
This'll give you some idea of what we had to put up with:
http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/072806/news072806_01.htm
Nemo
nemo
"Sabremeister Brian" <bpwak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ublhsF...@mid.individual.net...
> In a speech called c0fvn298pk4p64660...@4ax.com,
> SteveD (use...@vo.id.au) spake thusly:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:41:29 GMT, "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Terribly loud music in a car *must* be more distracting than a
> >> mobile phone but this never seems to occur to anyone.
> >
> > Not necessarily. You don't have to pay attention to music.
>
>
> You have probably never been passed by a Ford Fiesta or VW Golf GTi,
> with front-and-rear valances, extra low-profile tyres and alloy
> wheels, what the driver thinks is a race-tuned engine, go-faster
> stripes, UV running lights, blue sidelights, blue windscreen washer
> nozzle lights, blacked out windows, and some distressingly bass-heavy
> hip hop beat making the houses shake on the other side of the road.
> And this is with the windows up, on the far side of the road, in
> moving urban traffic, and you can still hear the words (such as they
> are) clearly. *That* is terribly loud music.
>
And these people have a yearly competition at Wembley and some parts of the
motoring and music press cover it as if these morons are some kind of
heroes!! The BBC even covered it a few years ago.
One guy had a van with four power amplifiers the size of filing cabinets in
the back together with a stack of extra batteries and proudly announces that
driving down the road in it was like being inside a loudspeaker!
I wouldn't give much for the state of his hearing in a few years' time - or
possible by now even.
Nemo
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/072806/news072806_01.htm
In my typical wishy-washy way, I agree with Cllr Rawlings in
principle, but can't help wondering if he lives near the
problem zone, and what my reaction would be if *I* did...
(Round our way, problem youths seem to walk. They do their
best to make as much noise as possible anyway, but obviously
it isn't as bad.)
nemo
"James Mitchelhill" <ja...@disorderfeed.net> wrote in message
news:apngb4op91uh$.k2mtsmj94fb4.dlg@40tude.net...
25Watt (if you were lucky) valve/tube amplifiers which were extremely
expensive and speakers with paper cones that would tear if too much power
were put through them.
The idiots I have just mentioned who hold their championships at Wembley
have systems that pump out kilowatts! - from a damned car!!!
And although the style of music is obviously a matter of personal taste - I
think nowadays some styles are so abysmally poor that there is at least room
to demand that no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste in
music because of excessively high volume.
Let those who enjoy THUMP THUMP THUMP or a guy with a well overdone bass
voice aggressively complaining about heaven knows what in a monotone listen
to it by all means, as long as they don't force anyone else to hear it
against their will.
We've been lucky on this estate. Over the last ten years or so, most
teenagers here have grown up and moved away and over the last twenty, the
estate has gradually become around 75% Bangladeshi. They don't seem to like
western music, and being strict parents, don't allow their children to make
a nuisance of themselves with it either.
Before that, however, the Council neglected the estate and used it as a
dumping ground for problem families, and the noise was utterly atrocious
both day and night - just because young people, already fond of showing off
as all young people are, had been conned into using grossly loud music to do
so by an industry intent upon using this tendency of theirs simply to make
money and sod everyone else and the environment!
nemo
"froarulv" <froa...@online.no> wrote in message
news:1166056513....@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
My favourite is Johann Sebastian Bach - The Master - and for lighter music,
pre-60s and World including Klezmer!! - the best cure for depression there
is! And I am unanimous in that! :o)
Around 60 feet of conventional CDs, tapes, 78s and vinyl and 60 or so mp3
CDs of downloaded stuff and only three albums of what could be called pop.
Kate Bush - Lionheart; Clannad - The Hooded Man, and Ofra Haza - Galbi.
The rest are classical of all kinds, traditional World Music with a little
bit of fusion thrown in such as Bustan Abraham, and pre-60s popular.
Nemo the dweeb!
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
> And although the style of music is obviously a matter of
> personal taste - I think nowadays some styles are so
> abysmally poor that there is at least room to demand that
> no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste in
> music because of excessively high volume.
>
> Let those who enjoy THUMP THUMP THUMP or a guy with a well
> overdone bass voice aggressively complaining about heaven
> knows what in a monotone listen to it by all means, as long
> as they don't force anyone else to hear it against their
> will.
I agree with everything except the bit about styles: I don't
care if someone is blaring out gangsta rap, '70s rock or the
1812 overture; the point is it's blaring.
Richard Bos
> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > SteveD wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:28:55 +0000, esmi <es...@lspace.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Mobiles should be banned when driving - full stop. Even if they're
> > >>'hands free', people fiddle with them too much when their attention
> > >>should be on the road. The punishment for causing an accident in this
> > >>way should involved the offending mobile and the driver being brought
> > >>together in a manner that would, at least, be memorable from the
> > >>driver's pov and would probably stop them doing anything in a sitting
> > >>position for a day or so.
> > >
> > > How about confiscation of both vehicle and phone on top of any other
> > > penalties? And no, they can't have the SIM card back. They've proved
> > > themselves incapable of using the items responsibly.
> >
> > Well, will we then confiscate any and all items which people cause
> > problems with?
> >
> > The young lady who rear ended the vehicle in front of her because she
> > was grabbing a new CD...
> >
> > Ban her from listening to music for life, as she's proven she can't
> > handle it responsibly?
No; ban her from having a CD player _in her car_ for a couple of years.
> Be nice. Buy her a CD auto-changer.
_Buy_ her one? On my tax money? When it's her own stupidity that let her
into this? Don't be daft. Let her pay all costs of the accident, and
then buy her own autochanger.
Richard
Richard Bos
> Anyway, I grew up near a Wee Free Kirk. *All* music (except
> the unaccompanied singing of Psalms) is the work of the Deil,
> isn't it?
*Ahem*. All music, except the unaccompanied singing of Psalms _to all
whole notes_. None of your fancy Papist crotchets or quavers, if you
please.
Richard
Sofia
> Sounds like you either drew the short straw or you misunderstood what he
> was trying to do. The woman we had was great. Very helpful and
> sympathetic. Kept reminding us to 'imagine you're having a really bad
> day before you answer this question...'. On a couple of them, she asked
> additional questions and then suggested that we might want to revise the
> original answer - always in our favour.
I know the feeling! Most of the questions are very confusing to answer,
even if you've read them over and over several times! I always seem to
think most of the questions are written in a way especially to *catch you
out* so to speak. IMO it's more likely they're trying to make you write
down quickly and in an unthinking manner that you "can do this", and "you
can do that", just to confuse you and make you slip somewhere, so that
they then can find your mistake and take as much money that you are
entitled to away from you - crafty ba_____ds!!
froarulv
nemo skrev:
pretty much an omnivore, I listen to almost everything from Mozart to
glenn Miller to Marilyn Manson, from Rachmaninov to Run DMC to
Rammstein, from Bach to Burl Ives to Baccara, Buena Vista Social Club
and Beatles. From Zappa to Zeppelin. You get the picture:-)
-Frank-
Eric Jarvis
<L3lgh.103059$qd7....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
> And although the style of music is obviously a matter of personal taste - I
> think nowadays some styles are so abysmally poor that there is at least room
> to demand that no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste in
> music because of excessively high volume.
>
Firstly whilst it is true that there are people playing music at insanely
high volumes these days, it also true that there are now many other forms
of loud noise pollution. It may have changed quantitively, but not
qualitively.
Secondly, there is no way that music is worse now than in the past. As
evidence may I present as exhibit A, Jimmy Crack Corn; exhibit B, Ten
Green Bottles, exhibit C, Agadoo, and exhibit D, Popcorn. Rubbish
repetitive music with idiotic lyrics is no more or less representative
than it ever was. What is actually the case now is that most people are
exposed to many more styles of music than used to be the case. Thus some
people who find it difficult to appreciate music they don't find familiar
tend to hear more music they don't like. Many seem to interpret that as
music being worse. They are completely wrong. There is more great music
around now than ever before. For those of us with a natural tendency to
eclectic taste in music it's never been better.
I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other hand
please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn shop in
the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical nausea. Please
spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the fact that Silent Night
is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty years of hearing it over and
over again throughout every single December, it is now also sickeningly
boring.
It's also necessary for many of us to now and again be able to completely
immerse ourselves in a piece of music. I don't think that should be
classed as a bad thing so long as some consideration is shown to others
and it isn't done too often or when it is likely to be clearly annoying.
It most certainly shouldn't be the case that the acceptable volume and the
style of the music be anything but completely independent.
Too loud is too loud whether you like the piece of music or not.
Eric Jarvis
At which point we should note that since the Devil has all the best tunes,
it's safe to say that all styles of music are potentially excellent
barring the unaccompanied singing of Psalms to all whole notes.
Eric Jarvis
<1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
>
Too many notes.
froarulv
Eric Jarvis skrev:
sleep, I put on Eine Kleine Nachtmusik by Mozart on full tilt, lay back
on my bed, and just float on the music. Wonderful!
-Frank-
froarulv
Eric Jarvis skrev:
> froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
> >
>
> Too many notes.
>
notes, like "Jesu, joy of Man's Desiring" His fuges are rather notey I
believe.
-Frank-
Orjan Westin
>
> I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other
> hand please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
> orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
> Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn
> shop in the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical
> nausea. Please spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the
> fact that Silent Night is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty
> years of hearing it over and over again throughout every single
> December, it is now also sickeningly boring.
It's certainly a H&S issue:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/14/christmas_music_torture/
Orjan
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Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Eric Jarvis <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk>
> froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
>
> Too many notes.
Oh yeah, Joseph II? Well your Holy Roman Empire is neither
holy, Roman nor an empire, so there!
James Mitchelhill
<snip>
> Very good - but this when the loudest things for domestic listening were
> 25Watt (if you were lucky) valve/tube amplifiers which were extremely
> expensive and speakers with paper cones that would tear if too much power
> were put through them.
>
> The idiots I have just mentioned who hold their championships at Wembley
> have systems that pump out kilowatts! - from a damned car!!!
I'll admit that this is a little excessive.
> And although the style of music is obviously a matter of personal taste - I
> think nowadays some styles are so abysmally poor that there is at least room
> to demand that no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste in
> music because of excessively high volume.
>
> Let those who enjoy THUMP THUMP THUMP or a guy with a well overdone bass
> voice aggressively complaining about heaven knows what in a monotone listen
> to it by all means, as long as they don't force anyone else to hear it
> against their will.
The ability to perceive bass-tones attenuates with age, so what you're
hearing as monotonous may be a rich world of sound to someone younger. I
certainly enjoy some drum 'n' bass, breakbeat and jungle. Though not, I
would point out, in a car.
Then again, I also enjoy some industrial noise groups. You should be
thankful that Throbbing Gristle or Chemlab aren't popular with the
pimp-my-ride crowd. And probably even more thankful that Japanoise groups
like the Boredoms and Gerogegege aren't popular by any definition of the
word.
Too much bass can definitely ruin music though. I was recently at a gig
where the supporting band (Mastodon) had the bass up so high it was near
impossible to make out the rest of the sound. This was a pity as they
apparently feature some nice guitar work. The headliners (Tool) got it
absolutely right, though. The pressing danger to hearing was probably more
from getting someone's elbow in your ear than from the volume.
--
James Mitchelhill
ja...@disorderfeed.net
http://disorderfeed.net
nemo
"Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9899EC39...@130.133.1.4...
> The time: 14 Dec 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
>
> > http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/072806/news072806_01.htm
>
> In my typical wishy-washy way, I agree with Cllr Rawlings in
> principle, but can't help wondering if he lives near the
> problem zone, and what my reaction would be if *I* did...
>
> (Round our way, problem youths seem to walk. They do their
> best to make as much noise as possible anyway, but obviously
> it isn't as bad.)
>
He lives no-where near the problem zone. I live in it. My reaction has been
to report everything I have seen to the police and Council and give
statements and be willing to appear in court if necessary.
One of their favourite tricks was to shoot along a narrow 4ft wide footpath
inside our estate at very high speed right across the front of a row of
shops and our entrance. They did this just to avoid going over some very
shallow road-humps in the driveway.
There is a barrier on the outside of the footpath at our entrance door which
makes them swing inwards very close to the door, creating a possibly deadly
danger to people emerging and to themselves. The fourteen flats in my block
are mainly populated by families with many small children who swarm out as
soon as the door is opened, and also elderly and infirm people, one of whom
I am sure I shall shortly become, being 60 next March and falling to bits!
Need I say more?
The problem has been solved for now in spite of Rawlings rather than because
of him. Whatever his views, he cannot stop the police taking action against
stolen vehicles being driven/ridden without number plates and therefore
without insurance or stop Council officers doing their duty.
The Council Officer responsible in the 'Inclusion Unit' has just carried on
as usual and has done a good job as have the police - until next summer when
undoubtedly, the long days and warm weather will set the little idiots off
again.
And full marks to our Ward Councillors as well - especially Cllr. Robinson.
And I don't want to sound like a hanger and flogger, but if you'd met some
of these kids and spoken to them, you'd realise that they've already
demonised themselves and that they would, and have, thrown back in people's
faces any kindly treatment meted out to them. They are 100% selfish, 100%
aggressive and are absolute horrors.
One of the chief culprits, a youth named Howard, son of Amanda Paul of 76
Godwin Court London NW1 1NW, started his activities a few years back by
tearing around the area on a Go-Ped - one of those small kids' style
scooters with a small engine on the back, and he and a friend, ended up
*deliberately* riding them into a badly disabled couple scaring the life out
of them, and when they complained, they abused them using every obscenity in
the book.
(Many people believe that Go-Peds are just toys and are legal, but like
Mini-Motos, the only place they are legal is totally enclosed private land
to which the public do not have access. There are still police officers
around who do not know this.)
The husband, now deceased, was suffering from Multi Infarct Syndrome
(multiple small strokes) which has similar symptoms to Altsheimers, and the
wife, now in her 80s, is partially sighted with detached retinę and has
great trouble walking due to circulatory problems in her legs - and these
swine deliberately rode into them! - and these are the sort of youths Cllr.
Rawlings wants us to be nice to! If I'd have seen them do it I'd have been
so nice to them they'd have ended up in the A&E department!!
The scooters involved in last year's troubles were being stolen to order and
sold to a fence who was re-selling them to youths and teaching them to do
skid-turns, wheelies etc. and to race on the highway and within estates. I
suppose Cllr. Rawlings would rather he were treated with kindness as well.
I don't know about living elsewhere - sometimes I think Cllr. Rawlings is
living on a different planet.
The trouble with ASBOs and ASBIs is that they do actually work and very
well, but for some perverse reason there are people about who do not like
anything that works, possibly because they *like* having problems to
complain about and deal with and resent having those problems solved and
taken away from them. This is why it has become fashionable for people to
pretend otherwise.
nemo
Fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Mozart seems to me to be a sort of successor to Bach, having pinched and
improved upon the style of Bach's son, JC, who is buried near here
incidentally.
But see my bit about what this estate used to be like years ago, when you
could tell that some new problem family had been moved in because of loud
music and shouting and screaming from a new direction and a new pile of
rubbish, nappies included, below a new window.
That's why I've become more-or-less allergic to so much pop stuff - and I'm
talking physical symptoms of severe stress here, not just annoyance - and am
still sitting here in the small bedroom which has became more-or-less a
bed-sit in those days, with a perfectly good large living room and master
bedroom on what used to be the noisy side of the block, and with neither the
cash nor the energy left to put them back into their proper uses.
Nemo
nemo
"Eric Jarvis" <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1febfef98...@www.motzarella.org...
> froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
> >
>
> Too many notes.
>
learn his stuff.
Listening to all 514 of Scarlatti's sonatas is quite an experience as well.
Sewing machine music! :o)
Nemo
nemo
> The time: 14 Dec 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
>
> > And although the style of music is obviously a matter of
> > personal taste - I think nowadays some styles are so
> > abysmally poor that there is at least room to demand that
> > no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste in
> > music because of excessively high volume.
> >
> > Let those who enjoy THUMP THUMP THUMP or a guy with a well
> > overdone bass voice aggressively complaining about heaven
> > knows what in a monotone listen to it by all means, as long
> > as they don't force anyone else to hear it against their
> > will.
>
> I agree with everything except the bit about styles: I don't
> care if someone is blaring out gangsta rap, '70s rock or the
> 1812 overture; the point is it's blaring.
>
especially me. That's my whole point.
nemo
> nemo ne...@naughtylass.wet wrote in
> <L3lgh.103059$qd7....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> >
> > And although the style of music is obviously a matter of personal
taste - I
> > think nowadays some styles are so abysmally poor that there is at least
room
> > to demand that no-one should be forced to listen to anyone else's taste
in
> > music because of excessively high volume.
> >
>
> Firstly whilst it is true that there are people playing music at insanely
> high volumes these days, it also true that there are now many other forms
> of loud noise pollution. It may have changed quantitively, but not
> qualitively.
One does not excuse the other.
>
> Secondly, there is no way that music is worse now than in the past. As
> evidence may I present as exhibit A, Jimmy Crack Corn; exhibit B, Ten
> Green Bottles, exhibit C, Agadoo, and exhibit D, Popcorn. Rubbish
> repetitive music with idiotic lyrics is no more or less representative
> than it ever was.
I like comival music. Frank Crumit, Spike Jones and Micky Katz are some of
my favourites.
> What is actually the case now is that most people are
> exposed to many more styles of music than used to be the case.
In my experience, young people are seldom exposed to classical music and
almost never to World Music. There is a TV series however, 'How Music
Works', which deals with the technicalities all kinds of music which is
going some way to putting this right.
> Thus some
> people who find it difficult to appreciate music they don't find familiar
> tend to hear more music they don't like. Many seem to interpret that as
> music being worse. They are completely wrong. There is more great music
> around now than ever before. For those of us with a natural tendency to
> eclectic taste in music it's never been better.
I know enough about music to be able to tell good from bad, however
unfamiliar a piece may sound. I thgink the view that no music is bad might
stem from teh fact that no-one likes to appear a kill-joy.
> I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other hand
> please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
> orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
> Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn shop in
> the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical nausea. Please
> spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the fact that Silent Night
> is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty years of hearing it over and
> over again throughout every single December, it is now also sickeningly
> boring.
I can't argue with that. When I play carols I jazz them up! I do quite a
good Klezmer version of Away in a Manger too, although I doubt if the local
vicar would approve! :o)
> It's also necessary for many of us to now and again be able to completely
> immerse ourselves in a piece of music. I don't think that should be
> classed as a bad thing so long as some consideration is shown to others
> and it isn't done too often or when it is likely to be clearly annoying.
> It most certainly shouldn't be the case that the acceptable volume and the
> style of the music be anything but completely independent.
>
> Too loud is too loud whether you like the piece of music or not.
>
That's the trouble: Many people *don't* consider others. If they did, this
discussion would not be taking place.
Either they assume in all innocence and naïveté that everybody will like
what they are listening to or, mainly in the case of the young, they revel
in the idea of showing off and annoying others. It is as if for many
youngsters, music has gone from being something one enjoys oneself, to being
something one does to other people!
I immerse myself completely by means of a good pair of enclosed headphones.
I bought these after having to wait *three whole weeks* before I could
listen to a CD I'd just bought of Richard Strauss' Metamorphosen and Tod und
Verclärung without interruption from a moron we had two floors up who
composed 'computer music' when MIDI was in its infancy - might have even
been pre- MIDI - and sounded even more diabolical than it does today, and
people next door with a teenage son who blasted his music into my living
room from three rooms away on the other side of the building!
Every single time I put the CD on - *quietly* I must add - one or both of
these idiots would start up.
And another irritating and little-known fact: If this estate had been built
under Scottish building regulations with their much tighter specifications
for noise insulation, these problems would have been much less severe or
would not have arisen at all.
If I ever win the National Lottery Jackpot and buy a house, one of the first
things I will do is to have a completely soundproof room added. I said as
much to my audiologist after the most beautiful wave of utter peace I have
ever experienced flooded over me as he closed the door to his soundproof
room. And he agrees with everything I have said about modern music being
played at excessive volume BTW. He has to deal with the consequences.
You want a good investment? Buy shares in Oticon! ;o)
Nemo
nemo
"Orjan Westin" <nos...@cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4ueauqF...@mid.individual.net...
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> >
> > I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other
> > hand please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
> > orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
> > Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn
> > shop in the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical
> > nausea. Please spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the
> > fact that Silent Night is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty
> > years of hearing it over and over again throughout every single
> > December, it is now also sickeningly boring.
>
> It's certainly a H&S issue:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/14/christmas_music_torture/
>
Thanks for that. They certainly have my symphony . . er . . . sympathy. I
know the feeling well.
There are many shops and supermarkets I avoid because of background music -
and 'designer fragrances' BTW, and I did three weeks 'Christmas Casual' work
for Royal Mail sorting letters at Mount Pleasant last year and most days
there were two, sometimes three *different* music stations blaring away on
the sorting floor at once - and even in the canteen there were TV sets
blaring away that no-one was listening to!!
It was good money but partly because of the stress I am sure, in the middle
of it I ended up in hospital with Paroxysmal Atrial Fibrillation! (sudden
dangerous palpitations - especially with an INR of only 0.9! Well done UCLH
Anti Co-ag Clinic! They should be!)
Needless to say, I'm not doing it again this year and have turned down an
offer of permanent work there.
Richard Heathfield
<snip>
> I know enough about music to be able to tell good from bad, however
> unfamiliar a piece may sound. I thgink the view that no music is bad might
> stem from teh fact that no-one likes to appear a kill-joy.
To wax philosophical for a moment, I suspect it may be more to do with
Western society's move towards postmodernism - the abandonment of absolutes
in favour of "your truth is yours, and my truth is mine, and if they
differ, that's just fine". Apart from being lousy poetry, it's also a lousy
philosophy.
On the other hand, of course, there is considerable scope for different
tastes in music. Personally, I'm not overly keen on music which lacks both
rhythm and tune, but I am given to understand that some people /like/
"house music". And beauty is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder - which
means that Keats was wrong to assert that "beauty is truth, truth beauty".
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www.
nemo
"Aidan Karley" <firstname...@major.free.email.provider.invalid> wrote
in message news:VA.0000120...@major.free.email.provider.invalid...
> In article <JDKfh.66340$Pk....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Nemo wrote:
> > What's the point
> > of having a Construction and Use Regulation saying that a car must have
a
> > functioning horn when many idiot drivers drive around with music so loud
> > they wouldn't hear a blasted WMD go off?
> >
> Hmmm. Would an "on the ball" company safety officer see that car
and
> say "You're not bringing that contraption onto company property, including
> the car park. And you're not allowed to use that machine for anything work
> related, including getting to and from work. If you do, you're violating
> company health and safety rules concerning noise hazards, which is a three
> written warnings and you're out job. Here's your first written warning."
>
I've been a Health and Safety Officer in my last two jobs and I have to say
its' possible I suppose - but would your average manager think of it?
On teh other hand, some time ago, many drivers of BT and Camden Council
vehicles used to drive around and park up while they were working with music
blaring.
I complained to both organisations suggesting disciplinary action for Gross
Misconduct in that such action brought the employer into disrepute. They
both replied that their drivers, engineers etc. were already under
instruction not to do this, the radios being provided for traffic reports
and nothing else. I doubt if it was my one complaint that did it, but the
practice is much more rare these days.
So sometimes you do come across a bit of common sense!
SteveD
<pinkmonste...@ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
>As for a mobile phone, if a driver is by him/herself and it rings, firstly
>the chime distracts them from the road, then they have to take one hand
>off the steering wheel to answer it, then they pay almost all their
>attention on trying to concentrate on what the person on the other end is
>saying to them, and how to reply!
Only if they aren't thinking.
Anyone calling me when I'm driving gets no more than a curt 'Hold,
please', and the phone dropped back into whatever plastic cave was holding
it as I then begin seeking a safe place to pull off the road. Only with
the car stationary does the phone get any further attention. And anyone
who can't endure 30-60 seconds of background car noises obviously doesn't
have anything *that* important to convey.
If I'm in a hurry, of course, the phone simply does not get answered, and
I'll check my voicemail at the next convenient time.
Because to be deadly honest, I'm not available 24/7 to every yahoo with a
dialling finger, and not even 24/7/365 to my nearest and dearest, much as
I might like to be. Life gets in the way.
-SteveD
Elin
>
>"Orjan Westin" <nos...@cunobaros.com> wrote in message
>news:4ueauqF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other
>> > hand please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
>> > orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
>> > Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn
>> > shop in the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical
>> > nausea. Please spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the
>> > fact that Silent Night is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty
>> > years of hearing it over and over again throughout every single
>> > December, it is now also sickeningly boring.
>>
>> It's certainly a H&S issue:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/14/christmas_music_torture/
>>
>
>Thanks for that. They certainly have my symphony . . er . . . sympathy. I
>know the feeling well.
>
>There are many shops and supermarkets I avoid because of background music -
<snip>
I was in a shop quite recently that seemed to have the same three,
possibly four, songs spinning over and over with horrible tinny
sound...After about 10 min I was ready to kill somone, I can imagine
the horror of having to work in it...
--
Elin
The world makes perfect sense, as a black comedy
Eric Jarvis
<0Sqgh.106547$qd7....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
> "Eric Jarvis" <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1febfef98...@www.motzarella.org...
> > froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> > <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> > >
> > > Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
> > >
> >
> > Too many notes.
> >
> Listen to each piece a few times and follow the score. He gets better as you
> learn his stuff.
>
I rather like some of his concertos, but on the whole I consider that it
isn't entirely unfair criticism. I see Mozart as the Steve Vai of his day.
With a reputation for being a prodigy and trying to live up to that
reputation at the expense of the music some of the time. It's a personal
taste thing. Sometimes I "bounce out" of a Mozart piece because I start to
feel I'm being manipulated rather than being offered an emotional
experience to share.
Though it may also be due to my brother having been not only a dedicated
piano and French horn player, but for some years in his teens a Mozart
addict. I can only take hearing any tune a certain number of times and
most of the popular Mozart pieces have exceeded their quota as far as I'm
concerned.
Oddly enough this has never happened with Beethoven, JS Bach, or Schubert.
> Listening to all 514 of Scarlatti's sonatas is quite an experience as well.
> Sewing machine music! :o)
>
Thanks. That reminds me. I need to get some Scarlatti when I next have
money to buy CDs.
Eric Jarvis
<wzrgh.106889$qd7....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
> "Eric Jarvis" <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1febfc926...@www.motzarella.org...
> > nemo ne...@naughtylass.wet wrote in
> > <L3lgh.103059$qd7....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> > >
> > > And although the style of music is obviously a matter of personal
> > > taste - I think nowadays some styles are so abysmally poor that
> > > there is at least room to demand that no-one should be forced to
> > > listen to anyone else's taste in music because of excessively
> > > high volume.
> >
> > Firstly whilst it is true that there are people playing music at insanely
> > high volumes these days, it also true that there are now many other forms
> > of loud noise pollution. It may have changed quantitively, but not
> > qualitively.
>
> One does not excuse the other.
Obviously not, but my point is that effectively it was ever thus. Some
people feel the need to bully their environment into submission by being
very loud. The same people have always existed and always behaved that
way, it's just that as the general environment we live in gets noisier
they resort to ever higher volumes in order to get people to notice that
they are a self centred moronic boor (or teenage boy, which is general;y
much the same thing).
> >
> > Secondly, there is no way that music is worse now than in the past. As
> > evidence may I present as exhibit A, Jimmy Crack Corn; exhibit B, Ten
> > Green Bottles, exhibit C, Agadoo, and exhibit D, Popcorn. Rubbish
> > repetitive music with idiotic lyrics is no more or less representative
> > than it ever was.
>
> I like comival music. Frank Crumit, Spike Jones and Micky Katz are some of
> my favourites.
>
Yes, but Spike Jones is clever and funny repetitive music with idiotic
lyrics. That's different. :)
My point being that no matter how far back in time you go there seems to
have been a certain amount of popular music best described as audible
saccharine.
> > What is actually the case now is that most people are
> > exposed to many more styles of music than used to be the case.
>
> In my experience, young people are seldom exposed to classical music and
> almost never to World Music. There is a TV series however, 'How Music
> Works', which deals with the technicalities all kinds of music which is
> going some way to putting this right.
>
That's less so than ever used to be the case. When I first started
listening to African music I was almost entirely reliant on cassettes
brought back from South Africa by friends. Now I can not only pick up a
selection of Nigerian, Ghanain or Congolese music from the local market
stalls, I can order pretty much any album currently being produced
anywhere on the world.
What IS being lost is any sort of local folk tradition. However that's
been going on since the industrial revolution/
> > Thus some
> > people who find it difficult to appreciate music they don't find familiar
> > tend to hear more music they don't like. Many seem to interpret that as
> > music being worse. They are completely wrong. There is more great music
> > around now than ever before. For those of us with a natural tendency to
> > eclectic taste in music it's never been better.
>
> I know enough about music to be able to tell good from bad, however
> unfamiliar a piece may sound. I thgink the view that no music is bad might
> stem from teh fact that no-one likes to appear a kill-joy.
>
I'm not saying no music is bad. In fact I bow to nobody in my willingness
to express my loathing for Celine Dion, Chris DeBurgh, Girls Aloud or
James Morrison. What I'm saying is that rubbish music has always been
popular. It is not a new phenomenon.
> > I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On the other hand
> > please spare a thought for those of us who find second rate bland
> > orchestral arrangements of the same inevitable tiny repertoire of
> > Christmas carols piped over the speakers in just about every damn shop in
> > the Western world to be the cause of overwhelming physical nausea. Please
> > spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the fact that Silent Night
> > is a beautiful melody, but after nearly fifty years of hearing it over and
> > over again throughout every single December, it is now also sickeningly
> > boring.
>
> I can't argue with that. When I play carols I jazz them up! I do quite a
> good Klezmer version of Away in a Manger too, although I doubt if the local
> vicar would approve! :o)
>
Time for a new vicar then. For his last birthday I gave my brother an
album of Yinka Ayefele's Nigerian gospel music. Less than a minute into
hearing the Juju version of Amazing Grace he had decided it was going to
be played at his Church. A good album of popular Christmas carols done as
Klezmer version might well sell rather well.
> > It's also necessary for many of us to now and again be able to completely
> > immerse ourselves in a piece of music. I don't think that should be
> > classed as a bad thing so long as some consideration is shown to others
> > and it isn't done too often or when it is likely to be clearly annoying.
> > It most certainly shouldn't be the case that the acceptable volume and the
> > style of the music be anything but completely independent.
> >
> > Too loud is too loud whether you like the piece of music or not.
> >
>
> That's the trouble: Many people *don't* consider others. If they did, this
> discussion would not be taking place.
>
Precisely. All the rest is discussing symptoms.
> Either they assume in all innocence and naïveté that everybody will like
> what they are listening to or, mainly in the case of the young, they revel
> in the idea of showing off and annoying others. It is as if for many
> youngsters, music has gone from being something one enjoys oneself, to being
> something one does to other people!
>
There's a good case to be made that to a teenage boy EVERYTHING is
something one does to other people.
> I immerse myself completely by means of a good pair of enclosed headphones.
> I bought these after having to wait *three whole weeks* before I could
> listen to a CD I'd just bought of Richard Strauss' Metamorphosen and Tod und
> Verclärung without interruption from a moron we had two floors up who
> composed 'computer music' when MIDI was in its infancy - might have even
> been pre- MIDI - and sounded even more diabolical than it does today, and
> people next door with a teenage son who blasted his music into my living
> room from three rooms away on the other side of the building!
>
> Every single time I put the CD on - *quietly* I must add - one or both of
> these idiots would start up.
>
My problem is this. I sing. I have been known to front rock bands of
various kinds (though I've more normally been found on bass or rhythm
guitar). That requires practise, and I have rarely been able to afford to
solely practise in a studio. That means being noisy. At least with my
voice it does. So I can't complain about anyone else purely on the grounds
that they play music too loud now and again. I do the same thing, it's
just that I don't use a recording to do it. The same is true of the
drummer across the road and the sax player a few doors down.
So consideration needs to be a matter of not spending too much time being
too loud and not being too loud at night, early in the morning, or during
the most popular soap operas on TV. It means being willing to respond
immediately to any request to drop the volume or stop entirely. In my view
it doesn't mean never playing music loudly.
> And another irritating and little-known fact: If this estate had been built
> under Scottish building regulations with their much tighter specifications
> for noise insulation, these problems would have been much less severe or
> would not have arisen at all.
>
One of the reasons I'm glad I'm living where I am. It also helps that
there is very little traffic noise here these days.
> If I ever win the National Lottery Jackpot and buy a house, one of the first
> things I will do is to have a completely soundproof room added. I said as
> much to my audiologist after the most beautiful wave of utter peace I have
> ever experienced flooded over me as he closed the door to his soundproof
> room. And he agrees with everything I have said about modern music being
> played at excessive volume BTW. He has to deal with the consequences.
>
> You want a good investment? Buy shares in Oticon! ;o)
>
It's a thought.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: Eric Jarvis <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk>
> I'll agree that music shouldn't be imposed on people. On
> the other hand please spare a thought for those of us who
> find second rate bland orchestral arrangements of the same
> inevitable tiny repertoire of Christmas carols piped over
> the speakers in just about every damn shop in the Western
> world to be the cause of overwhelming physical nausea.
> Please spare a thought for those of us who appreciate the
> fact that Silent Night is a beautiful melody, but after
> nearly fifty years of hearing it over and over again
> throughout every single December, it is now also
> sickeningly boring.
Hey, did I ever tell you about the Christmas party I went to
at an Irish theme pub? The music system was playing a medley
of Irish Christmas songs. Unfortunately this comprised one
song. Over and over again for three hours. And before that
night it was one I really liked. Now I could happily never
hear "Fairytale of New York" again.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
speaker: "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
>
> "Daibhid Ceanaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9899EC39...@130.133.1.4...
>> The time: 14 Dec 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>> speaker: "nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet>
>>
>> > http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/072806/news072806_01.htm
>>
>> In my typical wishy-washy way, I agree with Cllr Rawlings
>> in principle, but can't help wondering if he lives near
>> the problem zone, and what my reaction would be if *I*
>> did...
> You're one of his very few supporters then, wishy-washy or
> not.
Only in principle, and even less in practice now you've given
me the details. (And once I read the peice more thouroughly
and established it wasn't a blanket curfew, but just for the
troublemakers.)
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> My problem is this. I sing. I have been known to front rock
> bands of various kinds (though I've more normally been
> found on bass or rhythm guitar). That requires practise,
> and I have rarely been able to afford to solely practise in
> a studio. That means being noisy. At least with my voice it
> does. So I can't complain about anyone else purely on the
> grounds that they play music too loud now and again. I do
> the same thing, it's just that I don't use a recording to
> do it. The same is true of the drummer across the road and
> the sax player a few doors down.
>
> So consideration needs to be a matter of not spending too
> much time being too loud and not being too loud at night,
> early in the morning, or during the most popular soap
> operas on TV. It means being willing to respond immediately
> to any request to drop the volume or stop entirely. In my
> view it doesn't mean never playing music loudly.
There used to be a piper down the road from us who showed the
same consideration.
Come to think of it, it's not just music. My next door
neighbour is a DIY fanatic. Even Scottish insulation
regulations don't help when he's hammering something directly
into the connecting wall...
naomi
"nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet> wrote in message
>
> My favourite is Johann Sebastian Bach - The Master -
I also love Bach, and Tchaikovsky. I like blues, jazz and swing. I like
some dance music, pop and I love Queen.
My 8 year old son loves Elvis. His music teacher at school was playing some
classical music before she started class one day and he was able to reognise
the composer. I think I've passed on my eclectic music tastes.
n
James Mitchelhill
> The trouble with ASBOs and ASBIs is that they do actually work and very
> well, but for some perverse reason there are people about who do not like
> anything that works, possibly because they *like* having problems to
> complain about and deal with and resent having those problems solved and
> taken away from them. This is why it has become fashionable for people to
> pretend otherwise.
Actually, the trouble with ASBOs is that they're widely abused by the
police and lead to grevious violations of human rights. It's now entirely
possible for someone to go to jail for doing things that are not, in fact,
illegal. As the standard of evidence for ASBOs is less than in criminal
cases, no jury is involved, and courts are able to accept hearsay evidence,
it's entirely possible for people to go to jail without the standard
protection of trial by jury, for doing things that are *not illegal* and
*that they haven't even done*.
The available evidence also shows that they don't work particularly well,
with many of them being breached. (I've seen figures quoted between a third
and half).
So, from my perspective, ASBOs seem expensive, largely useless and
dangerous. This has nothing to do with fashion.
Richard Heathfield
<snip>
> My 8 year old son loves Elvis. His music teacher at school was playing
> some classical music before she started class one day and he was able to
> reognise the composer.
Carl Perkins!
Richard Heathfield
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:44:48 GMT, nemo wrote:
>
>> The trouble with ASBOs and ASBIs is that they do actually work and very
>> well, but for some perverse reason there are people about who do not like
>> anything that works, possibly because they *like* having problems to
>> complain about and deal with and resent having those problems solved and
>> taken away from them. This is why it has become fashionable for people to
>> pretend otherwise.
>
> Actually, the trouble with ASBOs is that they're widely abused by the
> police and lead to grevious violations of human rights.
And, of course, they have become a rite of passage within the street
subculture. If you ain't 'ad your asbo, you ain't nobody. Which kind of
defeats the point, doesn't it?
GaryN
wrote in news:VA.0000120...@major.free.email.provider.invalid:
> In article <Xns989720ABD83B7g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> wrote:
>> I tried to do the hoovering the other day - got the power cable
>> tangled in one crutch, the hose looped around the other, and nearly
>> fell over.
>>
>> I just feel so bloody useless at the moment:-)
>>
> Invest a useful hour over on uk.d-i-y irritating the
> electricicians
> with questions about where you can get the old style of power plug
> that connects into a light socket. Shorten (as in, gaffer tape) the
> power lead until it's just long enough to get from the central light
> fitting to the corners of the room. One entanglement removed.
> While still clutching your gaffer tape, attach the cleaner hose
> to
> one crutch. Two entanglements reduced to one.
> Going from 4 entanglements to (about) 2 should give you a
> significant feeling of achievement, lots of amusing tales to entertain
> afp with, and might even get the hoovering done.
>
lol - I got the hoovering done when my partner came to visit "Sue, could
you help me do the hoovering?"
gary
--
"If Americans had longer attention spans, who knows the follies they could
have wrought?"
Jack Womak
GaryN
news:suCdnWq4F55QCh_Y...@bt.com:
> James Mitchelhill said:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:44:48 GMT, nemo wrote:
>>
>>> The trouble with ASBOs and ASBIs is that they do actually work and
>>> very well, but for some perverse reason there are people about who
>>> do not like anything that works, possibly because they *like* having
>>> problems to complain about and deal with and resent having those
>>> problems solved and taken away from them. This is why it has become
>>> fashionable for people to pretend otherwise.
>>
>> Actually, the trouble with ASBOs is that they're widely abused by the
>> police and lead to grevious violations of human rights.
>
> And, of course, they have become a rite of passage within the street
> subculture. If you ain't 'ad your asbo, you ain't nobody. Which kind
> of defeats the point, doesn't it?
>
I wanted to be convicted on the ridiculous charge that TVP tried to get
me on.
Under the Police Act of 1862 it is illegal to be drunk in a Police
Station - and they actually tried to prosecute me for that when I went in
to complain about the behaviour of a couple of their officers.
It took them 3 days to come up with a reason for having arrested me -
needless to say it was laughed out of court.
GaryN
> froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
>>
>
> Too many notes.
>
Dvorak is my favourite for classical music.
Aidan Karley
> I've been a Health and Safety Officer in my last two jobs
then?
> but would your average manager think of it?
>
thermometer to hand, I'd check that temperature.
> I doubt if it was my one complaint that did it, but the
> practice is much more rare these days.
>
> So sometimes you do come across a bit of common sense!
>
And possibly pre-tuned digital radios which you can lock with a pass
number helped a little. That, or just not including the manuals and having the
garage pre-tune the radio to a quiet channel that does traffic reports.
--
Aidan Karley, FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland
Don't go towards the sandwiches!
Eric Jarvis
<Xns989A92F08F880g...@212.23.3.119>:
> Eric Jarvis <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in
> news:MPG.1febfef98...@www.motzarella.org:
>
> > froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
> > <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >>
> >> Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
> >
> > Too many notes.
>
> Dvorak is my favourite for classical music.
>
It's a small step from Dvorak to Mahler, Neilsen or Stravinsky. It's a
step worth taking. I love much of Dvorak, especially the later symphonies,
but I find Mahler covers similar ground but with a much more satisfying
emotional complexity. He and Beethoven made much of the best music to get
one through tough times. Neilsen has the advantage of not having his best
work played to death. Stravinssky is one of my two favourite composers,
the other being Schubert.
Len Oil
> Eric Jarvis <use...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in
> news:MPG.1febfef98...@www.motzarella.org:
>
>> froarulv froa...@online.no wrote in
>> <1166141796....@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>>> Nah, Bach is great, but Mozart is better!
>>
>> Too many notes.
>
> Dvorak is my favourite for classical music.
Yeah, but you need to get used to a completely different layout of keys
to play any of his stuff on the piano... ;)
Lesley Weston
Oh Bach! Definitely Bach. And then Palestrina.
--
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