What Would Terry Pratchett Think...?
Draco18s
around him?
Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
think.
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> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
> around him?
>
> Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
> mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
> think.
>
Maybe He will reveal his thoughts on the subject.
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"What's a philosopher ?" said Brutha.
"Someone who's bright enough to find a job with no heavy lifting,"
said a voice in his head. (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Pudde Fjord
> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
> around him?
>
> Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
> mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
> think.
>
he'll be taking this very seriously.
Pudde.
Len Oil
> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
based
> around him?
You mean you don't already supplicate yourself to Our Lord PTerry, Giver
Of Parody, (The One True) Subverter Of Fantasy, Wielder And (When
Pushed) Thrower Of The Mighty Irony Hammer And Swinger Of the Sword Of
Sarcasm?
Sheesh... How do they let nonbelievers like this onto this group?
(Ok, who used the iron turtle, last?, I can't seem to find it in the
storeroom. I beg of you, Brothers and Sisters Of The Truth[1], would
you /please/ put things away properly after chastising the unbelievers?
And you might like to scrape their remains off and not let them congeal
in the cracks.)
I suppose I'll have to let you off this time, but if you don't rectify
your lack of Faith before the next schism I'm going to have to... oops,
too late, there we go again.
/wanders off to find out which side of the schism he's found himself
on...
[1] And Colour Of Magic and Wee Free Men and Moving Pictures and...
Well, do we /really/ have to list them all out each time? I mean, I'm
devout as the next member of the Bretheren, but really...
Arthur Hagen
> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
> based around him?
>
> Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the
> friend of mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what
> Pratchett would think.
My guess is that it depends on whether you insist in appointing him to
be a god, and whether it will ban having a wee glass of something good.
Regards,
--
*Art
Edward Cherlin
> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
> around him?
As long as he gets a cut of the sausages, it shouldn't be a problem, IMHO.
The *actual* sausages, mind, not just the metaphysical "true" sausagidity.
> Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend
> of mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett
> would think.
PTerry has invented enough religions already for your friend to choose from.
Why would anybody want another, less funny one?
Werehatrack
<draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
>around him?
Let's not find out, shall we? I would rather not have anything
getting in the way of his creative efforts.
>Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
>mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
>think.
He's a far better writer than 'that other guy'[1], so he doesn't need
to have people putting him on *that* kind of pedestal. I suspect the
reaction would be somewhere between mildly amused and politely
annoyed. Possibly both.
[1] the first winner of the Hogu for "Best Dead Writer, Must Be LIving
To Qualify"
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Draco18s
> Draco18s wrote:
> > What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
> > around him?
> >
> > Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
> > mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
> > think.
> >
>
> Maybe He will reveal his thoughts on the subject.
My thoughts when posting. ;)
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Draco18s
len...@lenoil.demon.co.uk says...
> "Draco18s" <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
> based
> > around him?
>
> You mean you don't already supplicate yourself to Our Lord PTerry, Giver
> Of Parody, (The One True) Subverter Of Fantasy, Wielder And (When
> Pushed) Thrower Of The Mighty Irony Hammer And Swinger Of the Sword Of
> Sarcasm?
>
> Sheesh... How do they let nonbelievers like this onto this group?
I'm not a non believer. I'm more like Granny Weatherwax (and the other
witches) when it comes to gods.
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Draco18s
The Stainless Steel Cat
Draco18s <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
>around him?
Chapters 0
1: "And lo! The Bearded One did employeth Irony and his priests withered
away."
2: "And that was that."
Cat.
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Stacie L. Hanes
> In article <1123456312.706780cb450fdff874595ef3560e03af@teranews>,
> Draco18s <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
>> based around him?
>
> Chapters 0
> 1: "And lo! The Bearded One did employeth Irony and his priests
> withered away."
> 2: "And that was that."
ROFL
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AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
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Jeroen Wenting
"Draco18s" <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123515959.6577c9ebc2595b03dfd5bcbbb6582240@teranews...
> In article <dd6f9f$k30$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> len...@lenoil.demon.co.uk says...
>> "Draco18s" <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
>> based
>> > around him?
>>
>> You mean you don't already supplicate yourself to Our Lord PTerry, Giver
>> Of Parody, (The One True) Subverter Of Fantasy, Wielder And (When
>> Pushed) Thrower Of The Mighty Irony Hammer And Swinger Of the Sword Of
>> Sarcasm?
>>
>> Sheesh... How do they let nonbelievers like this onto this group?
>
> I'm not a non believer. I'm more like Granny Weatherwax (and the other
> witches) when it comes to gods.
>
> --
CCA
> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
> around him?
If it was in humour, he'd probably have a good laugh as long as it
stopped after a while.
If it was serious, he'd probably be horrified.
CCA
Veera Luhtala
has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
keefers
Veera Luhtala wrote:
> A political party would be better I think. Marx had a beard, Pratchett
> has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
No, but a purely ironic approach to politics would be interesting.
Or do we already have that in some countries...
Regards
Keith
Danny
following stuff about Re: What Would Terry Pratchett Think...?:
I'm reminded on the comment on Ephebian politics in Pyramids (or was it Small
Gods?) about the Tyrant candidates being elected by the means of a random
distribution of black and white balls in a jar.
i.e. "It's all a load of balls"
Seeya. Danny.
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Richard Adams
Why?
What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the odd
and ends...
I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for MP ;-)
Diane L
> Pudde Fjord wrote:
>
>> Draco18s wrote:
>>
>>> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
>>> based around him?
>>>
>>> Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the
>>> friend of mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what
>>> Pratchett would think.
>>>
>> As Pterry is making fun of all sorts of authorities, I wouldn't think
>> he'll be taking this very seriously.
>>
>> Pudde.
>
>
> Why?
>
> What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the
> odd and ends...
Err ... fun? You know, one of the things you do for pleasure.
This is quite different from religion, which (even though some people
do enjoy it) is done because people believe in a supernatural entity or
entities who will cause good things to happen if they do and/or bad
things to happen if they don't.
>
> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for MP
> ;-)
I think he'd be horrified if we treated our enjoyment of his books as
a religion.
Diane L.
CCA
> Pudde Fjord wrote:
> > Draco18s wrote:
> >> What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
> >> based around him?
> > As Pterry is making fun of all sorts of authorities, I wouldn't think
> > he'll be taking this very seriously.
> Why?
>
> What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the odd
> and ends...
Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I don't
think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for MP ;-)
Hmmm. I notice 'you loons'. Not 'us loons'. Don't you consider
yourself an afper, then? You're posting here, after all.
CCA
Thomas Zahr
> A political party would be better I think. Marx had a
> beard, Pratchett has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly
> as snappy a word as Marxism...
>
You could talk about Pratchiness though
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Arthur Hagen
>
> Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I don't
> think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
I don't think everyone admires him either. Admiration of the books,
some of the books, or the concepts of the books doesn't necessarily
translate into admiration of the author.
(Personally, I think admiration of someone's work is much more
flattering than admiration of the person.)
Regards,
--
*Art
Elliott Grasett
Not sure if we do anymore. Does the Monster Raving Loony Party
still field candidates in Britain?
Here in Canananada we used to have the Rhinoceros Party, but
it closed up shop some time before (IIRC) we got the Reform
Party . . . no, I don't think there's a connection . . .
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Richard Adams
> Richard Adams wrote:
>
>>Pudde Fjord wrote:
>>
>>>Draco18s wrote:
>
>
>>>>What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion
>>>>based around him?
>
>
>>>As Pterry is making fun of all sorts of authorities, I wouldn't think
>>>he'll be taking this very seriously.
>
>
>>Why?
>>
>>What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the odd
>>and ends...
>
>
> Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I don't
> think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
You exhibit belief, actual faith in that thought, though you do waffle a
bit at the end, like an agnostic.
AFP reminds me of friends 25 years ago very much into role playing,
thogh I haven't seen quite the extreme, there is a definite community.
Where strips of that community lay, is the question.
I would probably be the first to be appalled at a CoPt (besides Pterry
himself) but can we honestly deny, with 100% certainty that none exists?
>
>>I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for MP ;-)
>
>
> Hmmm. I notice 'you loons'. Not 'us loons'. Don't you consider
> yourself an afper, then? You're posting here, after all.
>
> CCA
>
I'm my own loon and can't run for MP
Draco18s
at hornet dot demon dot nl> says...
Like believing in the milkman.
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JB
| Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping.
Besides, shipping wores is illegal across state boundaries...
flobert
<draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
>around him?
>
>Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend of
>mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
>think.
Sod Religion
Pterry for PM
CCA
> CCA wrote:
> > Richard Adams wrote:
[Starting a Terry-based religion]
> >>What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the odd
> >>and ends...
> > Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I don't
> > think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
> You exhibit belief, actual faith in that thought...
Of course I do. I have faith in all the things I find fun :-)
> though you do waffle a
> bit at the end, like an agnostic.
*Looks back at previous post*
Four lines isn't exactly waffling, is it?
> AFP reminds me of friends 25 years ago very much into role playing,
> thogh I haven't seen quite the extreme, there is a definite community.
> Where strips of that community lay, is the question.
Hmmm...Unfortunately the question of whether afp is a community or not
is one that has been debated rather hotly in the past. There were
casualties. There were people watching with popcorn. *That* sort of
hotly. :-)
*Wonders if this will happen again*
*Gets popcorn just in case*
CCA
raymond larsson
berlin.de>, Thomas Zahr says...
> Veera Luhtala posted:
>
> > A political party would be better I think. Marx had a
> > beard, Pratchett has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly
> > as snappy a word as Marxism...
> >
>
> You could talk about Pratchiness though
Just avoid /any/ talk about PTerryism.
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Alec Cawley
ragl...@sasktel.net.invalid says...
> In article <Xns96AD88F7B3EETh...@ID-179574.user.uni-
> berlin.de>, Thomas Zahr says...
>
> > Veera Luhtala posted:
> >
> > > A political party would be better I think. Marx had a
> > > beard, Pratchett has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly
> > > as snappy a word as Marxism...
> > >
> >
> > You could talk about Pratchiness though
>
> Just avoid /any/ talk about PTerryism.
Yes, we certainly don't want PTerrorists around. They would presumably
hi-jack threads and blow things out of proportion with irony.
--
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Thomas Zahr
> (Personally, I think admiration of someone's work is much
> more flattering than admiration of the person.)
>
Specially if one hasn't met the person in question yet. For
some strange reason approaching cons, signings etc. most
times lead to chaos in my work commitments, so my cunning
plan to translate admiration of the books [1] into at least knowledge of
the person has had
to be postponed quite a few times.
[1] and the fandom admittedly
Thomas Zahr
> In article
> <Xns96AD88F7B3EETh...@ID-179574.user.uni-
> berlin.de>, Thomas Zahr says...
>
>> Veera Luhtala posted:
>>
>>> A political party would be better I think. Marx had a
>>> beard, Pratchett has a beard. Though Prachettism's
>>> hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
>>>
>>
>> You could talk about Pratchiness though
>
> Just avoid /any/ talk about PTerryism.
>
<groan>
I was asking for that, wasn't I? [1]
[1] I'm getting real Pratchy in my old age
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Thomas =:-)
<Good sig's are rare>
keefers
Elliott Grasett wrote:
> keefers wrote:
> > Veera Luhtala wrote:
> >
> >>A political party would be better I think. Marx had a beard, Pratchett
> >>has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
> >
> >
> > No, but a purely ironic approach to politics would be interesting.
> >
> > Or do we already have that in some countries...
> >
>
> Not sure if we do anymore. Does the Monster Raving Loony Party
> still field candidates in Britain?
Yeah, I think they are still around. They probably had something to do
with the Human rights acts, and some of the "Political Correctness" BS
too.
Regards
Keith
Ian and Mandy
@news.individual.net:
>
> Yes, we certainly don't want PTerrorists around. They would presumably
> hi-jack threads and blow things out of proportion with irony.
>
and this would be different in what way?
Mandy
Lesley Weston
I miss the Rhinos. I once voted for Ronald F. McDonald [1], but lately we
don't seem to be offered even that much relief. Though if the Reform Party
had kept the name that they briefly gave themselves - the CRAP Party - they
might have got a few more votes.
[1] Whose platform consisted of standing outside various branches of
McDonalds dressed as the clown and behaving unsuitably. This was before the
McLibel case.
--
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that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Paul E. Jamison
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[snip]
> ...Marx had a beard, Pratchett
> has a beard...
>
<George Carlin>
"Gabby Hayes had *WHISKERS!*"
</George Carlin>
Paul, who couldn't resist
--
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Eric Jarvis
<bcmhf11pornen3q7d...@4ax.com>:
>
> Sod Religion
>
> Pterry for PM
>
No way. When would he find the time to write, what with already being the
Archbishop of Canterbury?
--
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www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Paul E. Jamison
"flobert" <nom...@here.NOT> wrote in message
news:bcmhf11pornen3q7d...@4ax.com...
Somehow I can't see Pterry as a lapdog for George.
Not that I see anything wrong with this, mind you...
Paul
raymond larsson
179574.user.uni-berlin.de>, Thomas Zahr says...
> raymond larsson posted:
>
> > Thomas Zahr says...
> >
> >> Veera Luhtala posted:
> >>
> >>> A political party would be better I think. Marx had a
> >>> beard, Pratchett has a beard. Though Prachettism's
> >>> hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
> >>
> >> You could talk about Pratchiness though
> >
> > Just avoid /any/ talk about PTerryism.
>
> <groan>
>
> I was asking for that, wasn't I?
No, I had seen the obvious, worked out the spelling and pronunciation
issues, and decided not to post it. Then I read your post.
--
rgl
... and then somebody jumps onto it with hobnailed boots.
Edward Cherlin
Gracie Allen ran for President of the US on the Surprise Party ticket. She
didn't have a running mate because she said that her administration wasn't
going to have any vice.
And there's the perennial None of the Above vote. If we made it an official
choice, you could vote against the greater *and* lesser evils at the same
time. Some people think that this is the only hope for an effective
get-out-the-vote measure. We certainly had bumper stickers reading
"Chthulhu in '04... Why vote for the lesser evil?"
flobert
<pjam...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>"flobert" <nom...@here.NOT> wrote in message
>news:bcmhf11pornen3q7d...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:11:29 -0400, Draco18s
>> <draco18s_DOES_NOT@LIKE_SPAM_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >What would Terry Pratchett think if someone started up a religion based
>> >around him?
>> >
>> >Note, this is not my idea, nor am I interested. However, when the friend
>of
>> >mine said that he was thinking about it, I wondered what Pratchett would
>> >think.
>>
>> Sod Religion
>>
>> Pterry for PM
>
>Somehow I can't see Pterry as a lapdog for George.
>
>Not that I see anything wrong with this, mind you...
>
Maybe you missed my point, maybe you saw it but interprited it
wrong....
>Paul
Edward Cherlin
But then he would have to stop writing on the grounds that nobody would
believe him. Rincewind for Patrician makes more sense than that.
Wait. I didn't say that. No, stop, the first reel is already running in the
back of my brain, HEEELP!! Get me out of here! They want to kill me! Tell
everybody I went on vacation, please. I've got to get out. AAAAHHH! [runs
screaming into the night, but checks door first]
Edward Cherlin
> Richard Adams wrote:
>> What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the
>> odd and ends...
>
> Err ... fun? You know, one of the things you do for pleasure.
>
> This is quite different from religion, which (even though some people
> do enjoy it) is done because people believe in a supernatural entity or
> entities who will cause good things to happen if they do and/or bad
> things to happen if they don't.
Speak for yourself. That's superstition, not religion.
"My religion is kindness."--Dalai Lama
>> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for MP
>> ;-)
Why not? Wouldn't some of us be better than the loons currently running?
> I think he'd be horrified if we treated our enjoyment of his books as
> a religion.
>
> Diane L.
Superstition, yes, horror. An exclusive religion, yes, horror. An impetus to
be kind to the world, why not?
Diane L
> CCA <sphir...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I
>> don't think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
>
> I don't think everyone admires him either. Admiration of the books,
> some of the books, or the concepts of the books doesn't necessarily
> translate into admiration of the author.
I admire him, but only since I've actually seen the way he acts at events
and how he treats his fans. I enjoy his writing, which is rather more
important to me (and probably to him too, since it means I buy his books).
Diane L.
Diane L
> Diane L wrote:
>
>> Richard Adams wrote:
>>> What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes, the
>>> odd and ends...
>>
>> Err ... fun? You know, one of the things you do for pleasure.
>>
>> This is quite different from religion, which (even though some people
>> do enjoy it) is done because people believe in a supernatural entity
>> or entities who will cause good things to happen if they do and/or
>> bad things to happen if they don't.
>
> Speak for yourself.
I usually do. I tried speaking for everyone else, but my mouth got tired.
> That's superstition, not religion.
It's both.
>
> "My religion is kindness."--Dalai Lama
From dictionary.com
Religion
1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as
creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and
worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion.
I'd say 1a and 1b show the most usual meaning of the word, 2 is hardly
applicable in this case, 3 requires a spiritual leader and 4 is largely
metaphorical. I'm assuming that the Dalai Lama's meaning was somewhere
between 3 and 4, but that's a rather specialised usage.
So, is Terry Pratchett a spiritual leader? I'd say no. I enjoy his books,
but I don't think they contain any special insight into life that I couldn't
get from plenty of other places. There's a kind of rough-edged humanism in
them which appeals to me, but I couldn't base a religion on it. If you're
going for the 'cause, principle or activity' to be pursued with zeal I
suppose we could have "Don't treat other people as things", but as I said,
that usage of the word religion seems to me be as a metaphor. If someone
says they brush their teeth religiously I don't actually assume they worship
them.
>
>>> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for
>>> MP ;-)
>
> Why not? Wouldn't some of us be better than the loons currently
> running?
>
>> I think he'd be horrified if we treated our enjoyment of his books as
>> a religion.
>>
>> Diane L.
>
> Superstition, yes, horror. An exclusive religion, yes, horror. An
> impetus to be kind to the world, why not?
You know, whenever I have a difficult decision to make, I ask myself the
question "What would Pterry do?", but the answer is usually "Write a book",
which isn't terribly helpful.
Diane L.
Diane L
> CCA wrote:
>
>> Richard Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you call this newsgroup, the variuos cons, the costumes,
>>> the odd and ends...
>>
>>
>> Like Diane L says, fun. Not worshipping. We admire Terry, but I
>> don't think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
>
> You exhibit belief, actual faith in that thought, though you do
> waffle a bit at the end, like an agnostic.
I've read this sentence three times, and it still doesn't seem to mean
anything in respect of what CCA actually said.
>
> AFP reminds me of friends 25 years ago very much into role playing,
> thogh I haven't seen quite the extreme, there is a definite community.
So all you need for a religion is a community? Did your friends start
worshipping their role-playing, or did they just enjoy it more than
you?
> Where strips of that community lay, is the question.
That's a very personal question. Where I strip is my business, likewise
where (and who) I lay.
Diane L.
Edward Cherlin
> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>> "My religion is kindness."--Dalai Lama
>
> From dictionary.com
>
> Religion
> 1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded
> as creator and governor of the universe.
> b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and
> worship.
> 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
> 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a
> spiritual leader.
> 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
> devotion.
>
> I'd say 1a and 1b show the most usual meaning of the word,
In English, which constitutes a minority opinion. This definition is
partially correct for some forms of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and
is wildly off the mark for Buddhism, several variants of Hinduism, Jainism,
Confucianism, Daoism, and a number of others. Belief and worship are not
fundamental in many religions, where practice counts far more.
> 2 is hardly
> applicable in this case,
It's circular and thus vacuous, an addition to being an incorrect
description of what persons in religious orders do.
> 3 requires a spiritual leader and 4 is largely
> metaphorical. I'm assuming that the Dalai Lama's meaning was somewhere
> between 3 and 4, but that's a rather specialised usage.
What part of "spiritual leader" does the Dalai Lama not qualify for?
> So, is Terry Pratchett a spiritual leader? I'd say no. I enjoy his books,
> but I don't think they contain any special insight into life that I
> couldn't get from plenty of other places.
Please provide some pointers to these other places. I find that you can
never have too many sources of sanity.
> There's a kind of rough-edged
> humanism in them which appeals to me, but I couldn't base a religion on
> it.
ITYM a church. Several inhabitants of DW are intensely religious but don't
have much truck with the rather clueless Gods that we find there.
> If you're going for the 'cause, principle or activity' to be pursued
> with zeal I suppose we could have "Don't treat other people as things",
> but as I said, that usage of the word religion seems to me be as a
> metaphor. If someone says they brush their teeth religiously I don't
> actually assume they worship them.
Not the teeth by themselves, certainly, but there appear to be plenty of
devotees of Aphrodite in the world (in the sense that Paris is in the
Iliad), devoted to the cause and activity of acquiring the most beautiful
person-of-preferred-gender in the world.
>>>> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for
>>>> MP ;-)
>>
>> Why not? Wouldn't some of us be better than the loons currently
>> running?
>>
>>> I think he'd be horrified if we treated our enjoyment of his books as
>>> a religion.
>>>
>>> Diane L.
>>
>> Superstition, yes, horror. An exclusive religion, yes, horror. An
>> impetus to be kind to the world, why not?
>
> You know, whenever I have a difficult decision to make, I ask myself the
> question "What would Pterry do?", but the answer is usually "Write a
> book", which isn't terribly helpful.
On the contrary, the answer is usually to write a very helpful book.
> Diane L.
Going Postal is an excellent example of the conversion process. The actual
process, regardless of the nonsense with Offler and the sausages and all
that. Moist converts from complete selfishness to genuine concern for
others. To me, that's religion, and I don't care a jot about beliefs and
rituals and worship. In fact, that's the actual teaching of my church, that
concern for others is essential and that doctrine and ritual aren't.
Diane L
> Diane L wrote:
>
>> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>> "My religion is kindness."--Dalai Lama
>>
>> From dictionary.com
>>
>> Religion
>> 1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers
>> regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
>> b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief
>> and worship.
>> 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
>> 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of
>> a spiritual leader.
>> 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
>> devotion.
>>
>> I'd say 1a and 1b show the most usual meaning of the word,
>
> In English, which constitutes a minority opinion.
Well, yes. I was speaking English. I rather assumed you were, too.
> This definition is
> partially correct for some forms of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam,
> and is wildly off the mark for Buddhism, several variants of
> Hinduism, Jainism, Confucianism, Daoism, and a number of others.
> Belief and worship are not fundamental in many religions, where
> practice counts far more.
>
>> 2 is hardly
>> applicable in this case,
>
> It's circular and thus vacuous, an addition to being an incorrect
> description of what persons in religious orders do.
>
>> 3 requires a spiritual leader and 4 is largely
>> metaphorical. I'm assuming that the Dalai Lama's meaning was
>> somewhere between 3 and 4, but that's a rather specialised usage.
>
> What part of "spiritual leader" does the Dalai Lama not qualify for?
The Dalai Lama follows his own teachings? How interestingly recursive
of him! I was under the impression that he followed the teachings of
Gautama Siddhattha Buddha. While part of those teachings can be
summarised as 'kindness', I don't think you can claim to be a
Buddhist just by being kind all the time. Which is why I think he was
also speaking in metaphor (not an usual thing for a religious leader,
after all).
>
>> So, is Terry Pratchett a spiritual leader? I'd say no. I enjoy his
>> books, but I don't think they contain any special insight into life
>> that I couldn't get from plenty of other places.
>
> Please provide some pointers to these other places. I find that you
> can never have too many sources of sanity.
The sermon on the mount, the films of Preston Sturges, the Dao De
Jing, Raymond Chandler's novels, 'Casablanca', 'Cyrano de Bergerac'
(Anthony Burgess' translation), some Shakespeare (plays and sonnets),
'Life is a Dream' by Calderon, Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan novels and
'The Princess Bride'. Plus others that I can't think of at the moment.
>
>> There's a kind of rough-edged
>> humanism in them which appeals to me, but I couldn't base a religion
>> on it.
>
> ITYM a church. Several inhabitants of DW are intensely religious but
> don't have much truck with the rather clueless Gods that we find
> there.
ISTM that you're using 'religion' where I would use 'morality'. Granny
Weatherwax is an intensely moral person but has no time for religion.
Now, I admit that morality is a rather nebulous concept that people
often disagree on but I don't think that in itself makes it the same as
religion. It may be that your definitions differ, but in that case I think
we'll have to agree that we're divided by a common language and end
the discussion.
>
>> If you're going for the 'cause, principle or activity' to be pursued
>> with zeal I suppose we could have "Don't treat other people as
>> things", but as I said, that usage of the word religion seems to me
>> be as a metaphor. If someone says they brush their teeth religiously
>> I don't actually assume they worship them.
>
> Not the teeth by themselves, certainly, but there appear to be plenty
> of devotees of Aphrodite in the world (in the sense that Paris is in
> the Iliad), devoted to the cause and activity of acquiring the most
> beautiful person-of-preferred-gender in the world.
>
Personally, I brush my teeth because bad teeth hurt and I don't like
pain.
>>>>> I think he's quietly pleased, so long as none of you loons run for
>>>>> MP ;-)
>>>
>>> Why not? Wouldn't some of us be better than the loons currently
>>> running?
>>>
>>>> I think he'd be horrified if we treated our enjoyment of his books
>>>> as a religion.
>>>>
>>> Superstition, yes, horror. An exclusive religion, yes, horror. An
>>> impetus to be kind to the world, why not?
>>
>> You know, whenever I have a difficult decision to make, I ask myself
>> the question "What would Pterry do?", but the answer is usually
>> "Write a book", which isn't terribly helpful.
>
> On the contrary, the answer is usually to write a very helpful book.
That's not very helpful to me, since I don't have the talent, the time
or the inspiration for writing books. Besides which, most difficult
decicions I come across tend to have to be decided in rather less
time than it would take to write a book.
>
> Going Postal is an excellent example of the conversion process. The
> actual process, regardless of the nonsense with Offler and the
> sausages and all that. Moist converts from complete selfishness to
> genuine concern for others. To me, that's religion, and I don't care
> a jot about beliefs and rituals and worship. In fact, that's the
> actual teaching of my church, that concern for others is essential
> and that doctrine and ritual aren't.
So as long as you go around caring about others, what do you need
the church for?
Diane L.
Bas
>
> No, but a purely ironic approach to politics would be interesting.
>
> Or do we already have that in some countries...
Nope, that would be cynical.
(the approach to politics, that is, not the pun)
Regards,
Bas
rja.ca...@excite.com
> > think anyone here actually worships him. ICBW of course.
>
> some of the books, or the concepts of the books doesn't necessarily
> translate into admiration of the author.
But you aren't accounting for the hat. That's a fine hat.
I think Pterry presents an enlightened god's view of religion in _Small
Gods_. Firstly Om stages his Second Coming to find that basically the
religion doesn't need him any more, He doesn't really fit in. Then He
grooms a new prophet, but the prophet has ideas of his own. It's a
learning experience. Om grows a lot in the course of the story.
But I think Pterry's audience is a broad church, as my non-forthcoming
unsanctioned biography, _Small Gods, Big Hat_, will not make clear.
There's room for all of us under that hat. (Metaphorically, anyway; in
actuality it would have to be one at a time, and signings would take
even longer than they now do, and then there's the hygiene question.
Apparently wet combing is as good as anything.)
Elliott Grasett
> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>
> From dictionary.com
>
> Religion
> 1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as
> creator and governor of the universe.
> b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and
> worship.
> 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
> 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a
> spiritual leader.
> 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
> devotion.
>
> I'd say 1a and 1b show the most usual meaning of the word, 2 is hardly
> applicable in this case, 3 requires a spiritual leader and 4 is largely
> metaphorical. I'm assuming that the Dalai Lama's meaning was somewhere
> between 3 and 4, but that's a rather specialised usage.
>
> So, is Terry Pratchett a spiritual leader? I'd say no. I enjoy his books,
> but I don't think they contain any special insight into life that I couldn't
> get from plenty of other places. There's a kind of rough-edged humanism in
> them which appeals to me, but I couldn't base a religion on it. If you're
> going for the 'cause, principle or activity' to be pursued with zeal I
> suppose we could have "Don't treat other people as things", but as I said,
> that usage of the word religion seems to me be as a metaphor. If someone
> says they brush their teeth religiously I don't actually assume they worship
> them.
>
>
<more snippage>
Hmmmm. . . . Brutha is our spiritual leader, and Pterry is his Prophet?
Or is this the start of yet another schism?
--
Cheers,
Elliott
[A] key to the understanding of all religion
is that a god's idea of amusement
is Snakes and Ladders with greased rungs.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)
Rocky Frisco
That's the function of the Libertarian Party, to scare the crap out of
the other parties. I think the easiest way to slow or stop the USA's
accelerating slide into being The New Reich would be to have ten percent
or more of the national vote go to the Libertarians. A Libertarian win
would be miraculous, since any Libertarian is a walking one-person
example of gridlock.
-Rock http://www.rocky-frisco.com
--
Rocky Frisco's LIBERTY website: http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com/
The World's Best Daily News Service: http://www.rationalreview.com/
Rock onstage with JJ Cale and E. Clapton: http://tinyurl.com/3modw
Rocky Frisco
My main problem with The Governator is that while he's occupying the
California Statehouse, he's not making movies (I'm a fan of his movies,
but not his governing).
I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
Emma Anne
> wildly off the mark for Buddhism
I was just thinking that. But then Buddhism isn't universally
considered to be a religion - more of a way of interacting with yourself
and the world.
vinny....@gmail.com
Rocky Frisco wrote:
>
> I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
> than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
>
I don't know you know... Personally I reckon a potatoe called Fred
could do a better job than teflon Tony.
mark
vinny....@gmail.com (vinny....@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
That brings to mind a common saying. I assume it's a blind potatoe?
(Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
--
"Procrastinate *now*. Don't put it off!"
- Ellen Degeneres
vinny....@gmail.com
mark wrote:
> (Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
Huh???
Len Oil
> Not sure if we do anymore. Does the Monster Raving Loony Party
> still field candidates in Britain?
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party are indeed quite active.
In particular http://omrlp.brinkster.net/2005Candidates.asp shows who
they fielded and the votes they got.
(Looking further around the site, they were 3rd from bottom in the 2004
Hartlepool By-election...)
Len Oil
> My main problem with The Governator is that while he's occupying the
> California Statehouse, he's not making movies (I'm a fan of his
movies,
> but not his governing).
I've heard the opposite opinion (i.e. that they're glad he's in
politics, he can't ruin any more films) though I must admit that I'm
more allied to your opinion than this other.
(Specifically, his appearance in Around the World In 80 Days was a bit
of a rushed cameo, and Hercules In New York wasn't the best intro for
him, but between I liked most of the stuff between his serious
Conan/Terminator and the more tongue-in-cheek Terminator 3, while
Kindergarten Cop was perhaps not the best move. But that's just a
clarifying comment in passing, not an invitation for heated discussion.
:)
Lister
At least you can be sure they'll never elect a monkey
--
How can I meet Kylie Minogue?
Len Oil
> You know, whenever I have a difficult decision to make, I ask myself
the
> question "What would Pterry do?", but the answer is usually "Write a
book",
> which isn't terribly helpful.
FWIW, I arguably chose Demon as my ISP because of Pterry. Though
perhaps more realistically, they came to my attention because of his use
of them (back in the early 90s) and I liked the idea of them (the
opposite pole from the AOL[1] style of service provision) and so when I
leapt back into the Internet after several years without any access at
all I looked in that sort of direction...
[1] With apologies to CCA, etc... ;)
vinny....@gmail.com
Lister
<vinny....@gmail.com> wrote:
He was hung as a spy, wasn't he?
Eric Jarvis
<rgqKe.429$U92.395@okepread06>:
>
> I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
> than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
>
Of course one can make a very similar case for one Anthony Blair Esq. Even
without any idea of what the books would be like.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Eric Jarvis
nntp-reader04.plus.net>:
I'm the other way around. I met him, thought he seemed a witty and
pleasant sort of chap and wondered what his books were like.
vinny....@gmail.com
Lister wrote:
> >> At least you can be sure they'll never elect a monkey
> >>
> >I Thought they already had....
>
>
> He was hung as a spy, wasn't he?
Alas not... Mr Fribble served on the Backbenches for 12 years wrote his
autobiography (taking particular note of the unfortunate spying
accusations. His words "Oook!") and was finally made a Labour Peer in
2003. It came as something of a shock when in 2004 his old keeper came
forward claiming "I jus' couldn't let 'im keep up wi' 'is whoring an'
lyin'"
Obviously the fall out from this frankly unique event led to several
new tests for current and prospective MP's that where abandoned when it
was realised that these tests would force over half the House of
Commons to retire.
Lord Fribble of Pimford currently resides in Chester City Zoo and
refuses to comment on the events of the last 2 decades beyond throwing
his effluent at the glass panel while Exclaiming "Eek!!!"
mark
No, he was sent home in disgrace for laying an egg or something. No,
wait, I'm thinking of someone else. (Who were *you* talking about?)
My platypus, once thought to be more cautious and more tentative
Than any other living diplomatic representative,
Was now a sort of warning to all diplomatic students
Of the risks attached to negligence, the perils of imprudence,
Beset and persecuted by the forces of reaction, O,
He reaped the consequences of his ill-considered action, O,
And, branded in the Honours List as 'Platypus, Dame Vera',
Retired, a lonely figure, to lay eggs in Bordighera.
For a while there as a student, I knew this poem off by heart. No
longer, alas! Dad can even recite /The Rime of the Ancient Mariner/
while I had to look this stanza up!
Lesley Weston
He was lovely in that one where he was Danny DeVito's identical twin.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
rja.ca...@excite.com
The story is a little complicated. More-or-less the latest news
apparently is,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/england/4522687.stm
Regardless of the truth of the original story about the monkey
(captured from a French ship, mistaken for a Frenchman, tried and
hanged), the "mascot" of soccer team Hartlepool United is a man wearing
a costume of "H'angus the Monkey". Who stood for town mayor, and won -
and then (despite the photograph) abandoned the costume. The newer
story, three months ago (which fails to identify him as the genuine
mascot then or previously, although I believe that to be the case) is
that he was re-elected and at the same time successfully proposed
marriage to a girlfriend named Beccy Buttery.
Now wait a minute, by now they really are just making this up, surely?
Lister
<m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
>Lister (misterl...@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
>> On 10 Aug 2005 11:09:39 -0700, "vinny....@gmail.com"
>> <vinny....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Lister wrote:
>> >> At least you can be sure they'll never elect a monkey
>> >>
>> >I Thought they already had....
>>
>> He was hung as a spy, wasn't he?
>
>No, he was sent home in disgrace for laying an egg or something. No,
>wait, I'm thinking of someone else. (Who were *you* talking about?)
This chap here
http://www.thisishartlepool.co.uk/history/thehartlepoolmonkey.asp
The monkey-hanging legend is the most famous story connected with
Hartlepool. During the Napoleonic Wars a ship was wrecked off the
Hartlepool coast.
During the Napoleonic Wars there was a fear of a French invasion of
Britain and much public concern about the possibility of French
infiltrators and spies.
The fishermen of Hartlepool fearing an invasion kept a close watch on
the French vessel as it struggled against the storm but when the
vessel was severely battered and sunk they turned their attention to
the wreckage washed ashore. Among the wreckage lay one wet and
sorrowful looking survivor, the ship's pet monkey dressed to amuse in
a military style uniform.
The fishermen apparently questioned the monkey and held a beach-based
trial. Unfamiliar with what a Frenchman looked like they came to the
conclusion that this monkey was a French spy and should be sentenced
to death. The unfortunate creature was to die by hanging, with the
mast of a fishing boat (a coble) providing a convenient gallows.
CCA
> FWIW, I arguably chose Demon as my ISP because of Pterry. Though
> perhaps more realistically, they came to my attention because of his use
> of them (back in the early 90s) and I liked the idea of them (the
> opposite pole from the AOL[1] style of service provision)...
> [1] With apologies to CCA, etc... ;)
I'd agree about AOL service, it's comments about AOL users I objected
to.
Didn't know Demon had been going since the early nineties!
CCA
Lesley Weston
edward....@etssg.com wrote on 10/08/2005 2:17 AM:
> Diane L wrote:
>
>> Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>> "My religion is kindness."--Dalai Lama
>>
>> From dictionary.com
>>
>> Religion
>> 1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded
>> as creator and governor of the universe.
>> b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and
>> worship.
>> 2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
>> 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a
>> spiritual leader.
>> 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
>> devotion.
<snip>
>
>> 3 requires a spiritual leader and 4 is largely
>> metaphorical. I'm assuming that the Dalai Lama's meaning was somewhere
>> between 3 and 4, but that's a rather specialised usage.
>
> What part of "spiritual leader" does the Dalai Lama not qualify for?
That's the point, shirley? He qualifies all too well in that he *is* the
spiritual leader, so whose teachings can he follow? Adhering to his own
teachings from his previous incarnations is just being consistent, not
practising a religion.
mark
Lister (misterl...@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
>
> The monkey-hanging legend is the most famous story connected with
> Hartlepool. During the Napoleonic Wars a ship was wrecked off the
> Hartlepool coast.
<mucho snippo />
Cool! Pity it's so unlikely ... that's an awesome story. (Well,
perhaps not for the monkey).
<clickety click />
Did you know that the mascot of Hartlepool United FC is H'Angus the
Monkey?
--
My housekeeper regarded him with jaundice in her eye;
She did not want a colony of hippotami;
She borrowed a machine-gun from her soldier-nephew, Percy,
And showed my hippopotamus no hippopotamercy.
- Patrick Barrington, "I Had a Hippopotamus"
Lesley Weston
vinny....@gmail.com at vinny....@gmail.com wrote on 10/08/2005 10:00
AM:
Ah! A follower of Dan Quayle! That's something quite rare, these days.
Lesley Weston
m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au wrote on 10/08/2005 10:07 AM:
> While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
> vinny....@gmail.com (vinny....@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>
>>> I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
>>> than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
>>
>> I don't know you know... Personally I reckon a potatoe called Fred
>> could do a better job than teflon Tony.
>
> That brings to mind a common saying. I assume it's a blind potatoe?
>
>
>
> (Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
Certainly... huh?
Lister
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>in article MPG.1d64df5e5...@news.individual.net, mark at
>m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au wrote on 10/08/2005 10:07 AM:
>
>> While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
>> vinny....@gmail.com (vinny....@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
>>> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
>>>> than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
>>>
>>> I don't know you know... Personally I reckon a potatoe called Fred
>>> could do a better job than teflon Tony.
>>
>> That brings to mind a common saying. I assume it's a blind potatoe?
>>
>>
>>
>> (Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
>
>Certainly... huh?
One with no eyes?
Lister
<m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
>Lister (misterl...@gmail.com) was heard to remark...
>> http://www.thisishartlepool.co.uk/history/thehartlepoolmonkey.asp
>>
>> The monkey-hanging legend is the most famous story connected with
>> Hartlepool. During the Napoleonic Wars a ship was wrecked off the
>> Hartlepool coast.
>
><mucho snippo />
>
>Cool! Pity it's so unlikely ... that's an awesome story. (Well,
>perhaps not for the monkey).
>
><clickety click />
>
>Did you know that the mascot of Hartlepool United FC is H'Angus the
>Monkey?
Yeah, forgot to mention him
Rocky Frisco
> Rocky Frisco wrote:
One o' them Dan Quayle vegetables? No doubt!
I guess I'm going to have to study colloquial English some more; I
didn't realize teflon was a euphemism for Horse Poop.
Rocky Frisco
> Rocky Frisco ro...@rocky-frisco.com wrote in
> <rgqKe.429$U92.395@okepread06>:
>
>>I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
>>than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
>>
>
>
> Of course one can make a very similar case for one Anthony Blair Esq. Even
> without any idea of what the books would be like.
If Blairwitchproject were not the PM, somebody would have to invent him.
Tonywony is the UK's best chance to wake people up as a horrible
example of a scum-sucking fascist hypocrite in office.
Len Oil
> Didn't know Demon had been going since the early nineties!
Checking the details[0], PTerry's publicly famous first post to AFP was
from cix.compulink.co.uk (which, IIRC, also hosted the DWMud), but the
earliest sign I could find (in a purely amateur search) of his posting
from the unseen address was on October 31st 1994:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.pratchett/msg/40b0b431ca464d56
This would coincide with the end of the few-year period where I first
made my ventures onto the Internet (and fledgling web), through my then
university's systems[1], and would have therefore been most in my mind
when storing away in my "leetle grey cells" of possible ISPs to take up
as soon as I:
a) Left Uni,
b) Set up my own home[2]
c) Found a job that would support/require Internet access of some kind.
(Not necessarily in that order.)
Of course, it took a while before I made the move, my re-appearance on
the electronic frontier heralded by:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.toys.lego/msg/11299cb2cd1678b4
and in the A?P hierarchy soon after with:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.books.pratchett/msg/7a60f74a5c1c73fe
(Both 9/Sep/2001, two days before /then/...)
Sorry, a small voyage of discovery there, and a diversion from the true
facts I was attempting to ascertain, which were actually easier to find
(once I'd got all the above out of my system[3]) once I thought of
looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Internet.
(In short, 1st June, 1992... And the CIX link was initially a surprise,
though given its pivotal nature in the evolution of the UK technological
scene it shouldn't have been so.)
[0] And fully aware that some of this is dangerously close to
cyber-stalking in some senses, for which I apologise...
[1] Enforced browse only and with the trn (threaded read-news)
newsreader on a Unix box. Oh happy days! ;)
[2] And/or got my own phoneline at my parents, which I never did...
[3] But a shame to waste so much research effort. ;)
John Wilkins
election and went on to become PM: "Blindy Freddy and his dog could have won
that election" (to wit, the other side were a bunch of clowns, which was true).
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
mark
Wilkins (j.wil...@uq.edu.au) was heard to remark...
> vinny....@gmail.com wrote:
> > mark wrote:
> >>(Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
> >
> > Huh???
> >
> Reference to the comment of a deposed Labor leader, whose supplanter won the
> election and went on to become PM: "Blindy Freddy and his dog could have won
> that election" (to wit, the other side were a bunch of clowns, which was true).
Give that man a free banana!
What was the potato's name, ladies and gentlemen?
Brian Howlett
[snip]
>
> This chap here
>
> http://www.thisishartlepool.co.uk/history/thehartlepoolmonkey.asp
>
[snip]
>
Blimey, what a mess! It has </body></html> somewhere in the middle of
the code, so the first browser I tried displayed next to none of the
page. I ran it through the W3C validator - 373 errors...
<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisishartlepool.co.uk%2Fhistory%2Fthehartlepoolmonkey.asp>
--
Brian Howlett - From and Reply-To both valid, but email to From deleted unseen
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When I told the folks back home that I was coming to Auchtermuchty, they said
"Wear the fox hat"...
cyba
eyes....
I've only been here a few days and was suprised to see the great man
subscribes to demon - in my opinion the biggest bunch of corporate
w*nkers I've had the misfortune to deal with apart from Abbey National
(but just don't get me started on them!)
Demon consistantly fail to set up my direct debits (this has happened
about 5 times now) and don't contact me to let me know about these
lapses in paynment but just set a debt collector on me! They set up
accounts without permission and do not send any paperwork while
syphoning money out of my bank account. Then they tell me it is against
their terms of service for me to point another domain name at my Demon
hosted webpages!
*stalks off in a huff*
Matthew King
> I've only been here a few days and was suprised to see the great man
> subscribes to demon - in my opinion the biggest bunch of corporate
> w*nkers I've had the misfortune to deal with apart from Abbey National
This is a recent development starting when they were taken over by a
bunch of corporate w*nkers. I expect that, following BT's wonderful
example, they fired all the people capable of running the company at the
time.
Unfortunately this was about the time I temporarily (very temporarily)
subscribed under the misguided belief that there was a significantly
greater amount of Clue there than at any of the other popular ISPs of
the time. Working at one of these other ISPs I thought I was aware of
just how much Clue it is possible to not have.
Unfortunately I was wrong by an order of magnitude.
Matthew
--
I must take issue with the term "a mere child," for it has been my
invariable experience that the company of a mere child is infinitely
preferable to that of a mere adult.
-- Fran Lebowitz
Thomas Zahr
> The sermon on the mount, the films of Preston Sturges, the
> Dao De Jing, Raymond Chandler's novels, 'Casablanca',
> 'Cyrano de Bergerac' (Anthony Burgess' translation), some
> Shakespeare (plays and sonnets), 'Life is a Dream' by
> Calderon, Lois Bujold's Vorkosigan novels and 'The Princess
> Bride'. Plus others that I can't think of at the moment.
>
Looking at that list I was tempted to add Boell (any of his books
basically [1])
[1] though I can not vouch for the qualities of translations
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<I'm feeling so tired, all of a sudden>
naomi
"Elliott Grasett" <egra...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4X1Ke.6828$6d4.8...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> keefers wrote:
> > Veera Luhtala wrote:
> >
> >>A political party would be better I think. Marx had a beard, Pratchett
> >>has a beard. Though Prachettism's hardly as snappy a word as Marxism...
> >
> >
> > No, but a purely ironic approach to politics would be interesting.
> >
> > Or do we already have that in some countries...
> >
>
> Not sure if we do anymore. Does the Monster Raving Loony Party
> still field candidates in Britain?
>
> it closed up shop some time before (IIRC) we got the Reform
> Party . . . no, I don't think there's a connection . . .
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Elliott
In Australia we had the free marajuana party and the shooters party.
Sounds like a good time was had by all.
n
vinny....@gmail.com
mark wrote:
> While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification, John
> Wilkins (j.wil...@uq.edu.au) was heard to remark...
> > vinny....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > mark wrote:
> > >>(Cue every non-Australian afper going "huh?")
> > >
> > > Huh???
> > >
> > Reference to the comment of a deposed Labor leader, whose supplanter won the
> > election and went on to become PM: "Blindy Freddy and his dog could have won
> > that election" (to wit, the other side were a bunch of clowns, which was true).
>
> Give that man a free banana!
>
> What was the potato's name, ladies and gentlemen?
Damn I only named the potatoe Fred because I find fred a rather
humourous name for a potatoe... If had known that as well I would feel
a damn sight smarter about it. Oh well...
Richard Adams
Fred is a humourous name for a cat.
Ed Weatherup
Or a dog.
--
Ed.
vinny....@gmail.com
MY DOG IS CALLED BOB!!! MY CAT IS CALLED BOBETTE!!!! MY POTATOE IS
CALLED FRED!!!!! Is that clear!!!!! ooer 5 Exclamation marks time for
my pill.
Ed Weatherup
> Ed Weatherup wrote:
>> Richard Adams wrote:
>>> vinny....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> mark wrote:
[time for some snips]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Damn I only named the potatoe Fred because I find fred a rather
>>>> humourous name for a potatoe... If had known that as well I would
>>>> feel a damn sight smarter about it. Oh well...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fred is a humourous name for a cat.
>>
>> Or a dog.
>
>
> MY DOG IS CALLED BOB!!! MY CAT IS CALLED BOBETTE!!!! MY POTATOE IS
> CALLED FRED!!!!! Is that clear!!!!! ooer 5 Exclamation marks time for
> my pill.
Your pill is called "Dried" ......??
--
Ed.
vinny....@gmail.com
Actually I call it "Froggy Hophop", why?
Eric Jarvis
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> > Rocky Frisco ro...@rocky-frisco.com wrote in
> > <rgqKe.429$U92.395@okepread06>:
> >
> >>I think Terry can do more good in the world by writing the way he does
> >>than he could by occupying 10 Downing Street.
> >
> > Of course one can make a very similar case for one Anthony Blair Esq. Even
> > without any idea of what the books would be like.
>
> If Blairwitchproject were not the PM, somebody would have to invent him.
> Tonywony is the UK's best chance to wake people up as a horrible
> example of a scum-sucking fascist hypocrite in office.
>
Somebody did invent him. Almost everything about him is the creation of
image consultants, market researchers and spin doctors. Though, if
anything, he's actually worse when the real Blair peeks through. The
saddest thing of all is that he's better than the last two PMs or either
of the other major party leaders.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Eric Jarvis
<877jes2...@knight.monnsta.net>:
> "cyba" <rac...@steelpan.co.uk> writes:
>
> > I've only been here a few days and was suprised to see the great man
> > subscribes to demon - in my opinion the biggest bunch of corporate
> > w*nkers I've had the misfortune to deal with apart from Abbey National
>
I echo the sentiment about Demon, but have to say that the Abbey have been
pretty good on the whole compared with my experiences with other banks.
> This is a recent development starting when they were taken over by a
> bunch of corporate w*nkers. I expect that, following BT's wonderful
> example, they fired all the people capable of running the company at the
> time.
>
So far as I'm aware what actually happened was that the majority of the
clueful core at the heart of Demon jumped ship over the course of a year
or so. I think the corporate puppets came a little later to fill the
vacuum. At least one of the sharpest now runs an ISP with the aid of
several other Demon refugees, but they only really do business accounts.
vinny....@gmail.com
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Rocky Frisco ro...@rocky-frisco.com wrote in <xyxKe.27$tB5.12@okepread06>:
> > Eric Jarvis wrote:
<Snip>
> Somebody did invent him. Almost everything about him is the creation of
> image consultants, market researchers and spin doctors. Though, if
> anything, he's actually worse when the real Blair peeks through. The
> saddest thing of all is that he's better than the last two PMs or either
> of the other major party leaders.
Thats a bit unfair... Michael Howard I'd grant you... But Charles
Kennedy did really well I felt, he certainly handled him self better
that the others on question time. Also theres something rather
comforting about having a heavy drinking liberal scots man in control
of the country, if only for the look on G W Bush Jr's reaction when he
realises that he now has a special relationship with some one who is
about to pull all support from Iraq and hates him with a vengence.
Vinny
Eric Jarvis
<1123781429.1...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
The fatal flaw when it comes to Charles Kennedy is that he really doesn't
seem to want the job and is doing his best to make sure he doesn't get it.
He seems a nice enough chap. He also seems to use the position of party
leader largely as a way to get on to TV shows rather than for campaigning.
Matthew King
> The fatal flaw when it comes to Charles Kennedy is that he really doesn't
> seem to want the job and is doing his best to make sure he doesn't get it.
Isn't this the best kind of politician?
> He seems a nice enough chap. He also seems to use the position of party
> leader largely as a way to get on to TV shows rather than for
> campaigning.
Oh. Well maybe not.
Alec Cawley
says...
> Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
> > The fatal flaw when it comes to Charles Kennedy is that he really doesn't
> > seem to want the job and is doing his best to make sure he doesn't get it.
>
> Isn't this the best kind of politician?
>
> > He seems a nice enough chap. He also seems to use the position of party
> > leader largely as a way to get on to TV shows rather than for
> > campaigning.
>
> Oh. Well maybe not.
The deputy chair of the the party resigned recently, blaming entirely
Kennedy's leadership. He said, basically, that K was ignoring both
promises made and the expressed opinions of the party, and following
only policies which could be given a fuzzy but warm presentation. For
example, he had to be pressured into expressing protest about the Iraq
war - a position for which he has subsequently claimed much credit.
--
@lec ©awley
http://www.livejournal.com/~randombler
Daibhid Ceannaideach
> Eric Jarvis <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
>> The fatal flaw when it comes to Charles Kennedy is that he really
>> doesn't seem to want the job and is doing his best to make sure he
>> doesn't get it.
>
> Isn't this the best kind of politician?
Only if they fail, and are forced to put their lack of ambition to use for
the people. Otherwise they're still the best kind of politician, but it's
rather irelevent...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc/
Do not read this sig, by order.
Lesley Weston
We have a Marijuana Party too, and a Natural Law Party. The leader of the
former is currently fighting extradition to the US, for practising his
beliefs. The leader of the latter is presumably too busy levitating to take
an interest in such things. Both Parties seem to be keen on parties, though.
--
Lesley Weston.
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changing spelling and spacing as required.