[I] Bizarre clothing in winter...
Thomas Hamann
and its offshootings...there's something I'm wondering about [1]:
Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
I mean, sure, there's an argument that it is fun/sexy to wear such
clothing, but if that means that someone complaints that it is cold
*inside* a building [4] and even colder *outside* in the open air; the
latter while wearing a horribly thick coat that makes one look like a
bloated corpse, then something tells me people are just being
obnoxiously stupid [5].
Or do I just lack some basic understanding in the way girls/young
women work?
Thomas
[1] Nothing 'you know whatamean'... [2]
[2] Okay, perhaps you don't... [3]
[3] Nothing naughty, I mean...
[4] 20 degrees C
[5] And asking to die of hypothermia...
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Runtime
> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
This is something I've only ever seen in England and it never fails to amaze
me.
Walking along my road this morning, which was a sheet of ice, taking care
not to slip in my sensible boots, I overtook this young lady tottering along
in heels and muttering about the state of the road. Now, I agree with some
of the comments she made: It would be nice if the council would pay someone
to spread some grit or salt on the road. I just can't help but think the
heels might have exacerbated the problems she was having.
She was also wearing a short skirt and no socks (!). Open-toed shoes in
winter - that's another one that always gets me. I'm going to stop this
rant here before this turns into the length of post that necessitate a
delurk[1].
> Or do I just lack some basic understanding in the way girls/young
> women work?
If your concerns are purely based in this particular issue, I can safely
assure you you are not the only one.
[1] i just don't think i'm ready for that yet.
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Torak
> Okay, so perhaps this is partially inspired by the whole bra-thread
> and its offshootings...there's something I'm wondering about [1]:
>
> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
And then of course there are all those shops that turn up the heating
full blast, so you melt while shopping. Many a time have I been forced
to drop my shopping and leave a shop without buying anything because
their heating was too high. Why not just give their staff jumpers?
R Dore
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In clothes shops, maybe the heat is also be intended for the people who are
trying on clothes and therefore have to go to u-wear basics and back.
Anyway in Del Haize and GB you freeze anywhere near the refrigerated aisles
and DH at least give their staff body warmers and gloves for stacking so
that's one company taking up your idea.
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R Dore
news:10754735...@joshua.ni.scee.sony.co.uk...
> In other news, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> typed:
> > Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> > clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> > when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
> This is something I've only ever seen in England and it never fails to
amaze
> me.
>
This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about the remarkable
hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who apparently can withstand
freezing cold and wet in delicate cocktail dresses and not much else. This
can be witnessed every weekend apparently. Anyone know their secret?
jester
<s...@4reply.address> wrote:
<snip young women in not much clothing in cold weather>
>This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about the remarkable
>hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who apparently can withstand
>freezing cold and wet in delicate cocktail dresses and not much else. This
>can be witnessed every weekend apparently. Anyone know their secret?
I think this is just the general thing of geordies being hard (I'd never
even consider describing them as too thick to realise it's cold). The
same as the blokes wandering around in t-shirts.
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Jon
Large quantities of alcohol. Certainly in the case of those of their
menfriends to be seen watching midwinter /evening kick off/ football matches
bare chested.
For a while I was convinced that all North-Eastern lasses wore blue leggings
in winter. Then the truth dawned.
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Ken Vale
>In other news, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> typed:
>
>
>>Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
>>clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
>>when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>>
>>
>
>This is something I've only ever seen in England and it never fails to amaze
>me.
>
I saw it on Monday it was in the -15 to - 20C temperature range
here, with a snow storm happening. In fact I see it fairly often. The
local Catholic School has a dress code which requires the short kilts
(1) and white shirts (sometimes with a vest). Being male and somewhat
sensitive to the cold I can only wonder how they manage.
Ken
(1) The girls also have the option of wearing dress pants if they so choose.
Lady Kayla
[...]
> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
Lady "mother of a teenager *argh*" Kayla
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April Goodwin-Smith
> "Runtime" wrote:
> > In other news, Thomas Hamann typed:
> > > Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts,
> > > and other clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-
> > > the-summer in WINTER, when it's freezing and raining and
> > > there's cold hard wind?
> > This is something I've only ever seen in England and it neve
> This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about
> the remarkable hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who
> apparently can withstand freezing cold and wet in delicate
> cocktail dresses and not much else.
>
Because it works, silly people. Did any of you notice the
sensibly dressed young women in their sensible shoes? No,
of course not. As my Grandmother was careful to inform me
on several occasions (in exasperation, I might add), "one
must suffer for beauty."
:)
April.
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Thomas Hamann
<lady...@suespammers.org> beamed the following thoughts into your
brain cells:
>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:44:25 GMT, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>
>[...]
>> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
>> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
>> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
>Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
>brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
>teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
>
>Lady "mother of a teenager *argh*" Kayla
>
students...
Thomas
Simon Waldman
> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
> Or do I just lack some basic understanding in the way girls/young
> women work?
Yes. HTH, HAND.
:-)
Actually, this seems to be a phenomonon particularly evident in
Newcastle. One possible explanation is that Geordie women have no
cold-sensitive nerves.
In the evenings the simple-and-obvious explanation is that the men are
'supposed' to lend the women coats. The sensible men will have
anticipated this requirement and brought spares along.
This will only work for the woman if she manages to attract a man whose
coat she can aquire. For this reason, it is in her interests to look as
attractive as possible, which many interpret as wearing as little as
possible.
Thus we see that wearing less clothes actually results in the woman
ending up warmer. This is clearly an evolutionary advantage, and so the
desire to wear skimpy outfits is probably generically programmed into
Northen women.
Of course, none of this can explain why it happens in the daytime as
well......
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> Thomas Hamann wrote:
>
> > Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> > clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> > when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
> > Or do I just lack some basic understanding in the way girls/young
> > women work?
>
> Yes. HTH, HAND.
>
> :-)
>
> Actually, this seems to be a phenomonon particularly evident in
> Newcastle. One possible explanation is that Geordie women have no
> cold-sensitive nerves.
>
> In the evenings the simple-and-obvious explanation is that the men are
> 'supposed' to lend the women coats. The sensible men will have
> anticipated this requirement and brought spares along.
>
> This will only work for the woman if she manages to attract a man whose
> coat she can aquire. For this reason, it is in her interests to look as
> attractive as possible, which many interpret as wearing as little as
> possible.
>
> Thus we see that wearing less clothes actually results in the woman
> ending up warmer. This is clearly an evolutionary advantage, and so the
> desire to wear skimpy outfits is probably generically programmed into
> Northen women.
>
> Of course, none of this can explain why it happens in the daytime as
> well......
I suspect this is an attempt by the female body to condition itself to the
temperatures, should she fail to find a mate that night. It is also
important for her to practice the skills of walking in the cold without
looking like a complete twerp - many people fail through lack of practice,
huddling themselves into peculiar contortions, thus defeating all the
purpose of wearing only two lace handkerchieves.
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Brian Burger
> And then of course there are all those shops that turn up the heating
> full blast, so you melt while shopping. Many a time have I been forced
> to drop my shopping and leave a shop without buying anything because
> their heating was too high. Why not just give their staff jumpers?
Why would the staff appreciate being given people who've commited suicide
from tall structures?
<grin> OK, I know "UK jumper" equals "sweater/sweatshirt/warm
longsleevthingie" to the rest of us, but I couldn't resist!
Brian.
Paul E. Jamison
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:44:25 GMT, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>
> [...]
> > Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> > clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> > when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
> Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
> brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
> teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
>
> Lady "mother of a teenager *argh*" Kayla
>
I can point to observational data around here as evidence of
this. It gets down to below freezing here in Kansas, and I
and many ther folks are used to bundling up when we go out.
Occasionally you see some teenage boy wandering out wearing
a tee-shirt and a baseball cap (and jeans, of course). Saw one
older dude scooting around the city bus depot one a skateboard
on day whn it was below freezing, and he was in short sleeves.
I tend to look upon these folks as idiots. Sadly, the species
manages to breed.
Paul E. Jamison
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Flesh-eating dragon
> <grin> OK, I know "UK jumper" equals "sweater/sweatshirt/warm
> longsleevthingie" to the rest of us, but I couldn't resist!
I have reason to believe that your use of the phrase "the rest of us"
is a deliberate attempt to tease Australians and similar mythical life
forms, but since I don't really exist I am not in a position to argue.
A sweater/sweatshirt is a different item of clothing from a jumper.
Adrian.
RelMark
"Paul E. Jamison" <paul...@infionline.net> wrote in message
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> Lady Kayla wrote:
>
>
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:44:25 GMT, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
> > > clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
> > > when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
> >
> > Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
> > brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
> > teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
> >
> > Lady "mother of a teenager *argh*" Kayla
> >
>
> I can point to observational data around here as evidence of
> this. It gets down to below freezing here in Kansas, and I
> and many ther folks are used to bundling up when we go out.
> Occasionally you see some teenage boy wandering out wearing
> a tee-shirt and a baseball cap (and jeans, of course). Saw one
> older dude scooting around the city bus depot one a skateboard
> on day whn it was below freezing, and he was in short sleeves.
> I tend to look upon these folks as idiots. Sadly, the species
> manages to breed.
A few days back I stopped at a fast food restaurant on the the way
to work. In the space of half an hour, there were at least two people
who came in wearing shorts. Coat, hat, and shorts. In New York.
In winter. In windy, snowy, colder-than-usual weather. 'Idiots'
just about sums up my view on this, too.
RelMark
Brian Burger
> Brian Burger wrote:
>
> > <grin> OK, I know "UK jumper" equals "sweater/sweatshirt/warm
> > longsleevthingie" to the rest of us, but I couldn't resist!
>
> I have reason to believe that your use of the phrase "the rest of us"
> is a deliberate attempt to tease Australians and similar mythical life
> forms, but since I don't really exist I am not in a position to argue.
Nah, I've drunk beer with too many Aussies for you lot to not exist. I
guess I should have said "to North Americans" instead...
> A sweater/sweatshirt is a different item of clothing from a jumper.
Now I'm confused, and having one of those 'seperated by a common language'
moments... maybe this'll help:
Canuck/Yank/North American def'n:
sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
sweatshirt - fabric, cotton or something, long sleeves, no buttons.
cardigan - sweater w/ buttons down the front
jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall structure. Not
an article of clothing at all...
Can we start translating English back into... English?
Brian.
Darin Johnson
> Canuck/Yank/North American def'n:
> sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
> cardigan - sweater w/ buttons down the front
Er, to me a sweater may or may not have buttons. Cardigan wasn't a
word that was used when I was growing up.
> jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall structure. Not
> an article of clothing at all...
I've heard it used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall used for
small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
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Flesh-eating dragon
> sweatshirt - fabric, cotton or something, long sleeves, no buttons.
Agreed. Same purpose as a jumper, but not knitted. Don't ask me about
details.
> sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
AFAIK, 'sweater' is just shorthand for 'sweatshirt'.
Adrian.
Darin Johnson
> I tend to look upon these folks as idiots. Sadly, the species
> manages to breed.
I tend to be told "aren't you cold" a lot. Which surprises me since
I'm asked that indoors when the temperature can't possibly be lower
than 60F. I've even had people say it when I'm about to remark on how
nice the weather is... I'm Californian, so I tend to be in a t-shirt
all the time, and if it's a bit chilly I'll wear a windbreaker, and if
I know I'll be somewhere really cold (40 and below) I'll grab a heavy
jacket (but still just plain jeans).
I'm much more this way now than I used to be, because I spend
relatively less time out in the cold; just long enough to walk from
car to door (unless it's for exercise when the heavier clothing would
just overheat me). When I was in school and spent more time outdoors
walking to class or the local shops, then I bundled up more.
My uncle used to work in Alaska, and one Christmas when visiting he
was seen walking around in short sleeves when there was frost on the
ground.
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>
<snip>
>
> Now I'm confused, and having one of those 'seperated by a
> common language' moments... maybe this'll help:
> Canuck/Yank/North American def'n:
> sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
Not quite true - cardigans are also called sweaters here.
> sweatshirt - fabric, cotton or something, long sleeves, no
> buttons.
Check.
> cardigan - sweater w/ buttons down the front
Check.
> jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall
> structure. Not an article of clothing at all...
The suicide definition has recently become true through the
truncation common to journalism headlines, but a jumper is
also (and has been for longer) an article of feminine apparel
- a sleeveless dress worn over a blouse. More common as
children's clothing, but not exclusive to them.
>
> Can we start translating English back into... English?
>
Nah....where's the fun in that? :)
Peter Ellis
>Brian Burger <yh...@victoria.tc.ca> writes:
>
>> Canuck/Yank/North American def'n:
>> sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
>> cardigan - sweater w/ buttons down the front
>
>Er, to me a sweater may or may not have buttons. Cardigan wasn't a
>word that was used when I was growing up.
>
>> jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall structure. Not
>> an article of clothing at all...
>
>I've heard it used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall used for
>small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
That's a contraction of "jumpsuit", which is *not* the same as a UK
"jumper".
Peter
Lady Kayla
[...]
> Can we start translating English back into... English?
Sure. You lot first.
Oh, and when I was living in .ca (over 25 years ago) a "jumper" was
what we'd call a "pinafore dress". Just another datapoint.
More for you to ruminate upon:
skivvy
jersey
guernsey
CCA
[Jumpers]
>jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall structure. Not
>an article of clothing at all...
To quote Bill Bryson (or misquote him since I can't find the book ATM) re:
jumpers
"If I wear one, not only will I be warm...but should I be called upon to do
some jumping, I will be suitably attired."
:-)
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>Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
>brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
>teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
Apart from the ones who keep their brains in, and end up being the class
geekperson. Which is not fun...
I used to be convinced some of the friends I had as a teenager had actually
*sold* their brains in return for the chance of a snog with some unnappetising
git with a 'Flock of Seagulls' hairstyle, wearing a 'Frankie Says Relax'
T-shirt....<g>[1]
CCA:)
[1] Yeah, I know this dates me...
CCA
>Lady Kayla beamed the following thoughts into your brain cells:
>>Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
>>brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
>>teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
>The last time I've witnessed the phenomenon is in university
>students...
And, now I come to think of it, people on holiday:-)
(Although I can't think of any better time to put your brain in a jar than on
holiday...)
CC "I want sunshine and beaches NOW" A:)
The Stainless Steel Cat
Lady Kayla <lady...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>More for you to ruminate upon:
>
>skivvy
Personal servant (usually downtrodden).
>jersey
Same as a jumper, but might just be a sweatshirt (eg football jersey).
>guernsey
That's a coo.
Cat.
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Graycat
wrote:
>In other news, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> typed:
>> Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
>> clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
>> when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
>This is something I've only ever seen in England and it never fails to amaze
>me.
>
>Walking along my road this morning, which was a sheet of ice, taking care
>not to slip in my sensible boots, I overtook this young lady tottering along
>in heels and muttering about the state of the road. Now, I agree with some
>of the comments she made: It would be nice if the council would pay someone
>to spread some grit or salt on the road. I just can't help but think the
>heels might have exacerbated the problems she was having.
>
>She was also wearing a short skirt and no socks (!). Open-toed shoes in
>winter - that's another one that always gets me.
This was something I saw in Canada when I was there. As some of you
probably know, I spent 11 months in Calgary - not the warmest place
around during winter. Anyway, the girls at my high school would wear
high-heeled sandal-type-shoes, no stockings and short skirts/dresses
year round. Even if there was snow on the ground.
I was completely mystifed by this as Sweden has a very smiliar
climate, and also high schools with girls in them, and I have never
seen it here. during the winter young girls and women wear boots,
jeans (with or without longjohns) or long skirts of non-flimsy
fabrics, with stockings, and jumpers (or sweaters if you prefer).
Outside we have coats and mittens/gloves at the least, scarves often
and with the option of a wooly hat (toque in .ca) if you don't care
too much about your hair going flat.
When people go pubcrawling or clubbing it's a different matter, but
that's understandable (even disregarding the sexiness factor) as most
clothes (including the "two lace hankies" variety) are too warm on a
crowded dancefloor/in a crowded club. Plus there's alcohol :o)
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In Yuckian, the first three defs are the same, and a jumper is the same as a
sweater. I *think*. It's definitely the same as a jersey[1].
[1] In other words it's a tax-haven island where John Nettles used to be a
detective before they transferred him to Midsomer. Or a coo.
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Carol Hague
> Brian Burger wrote:
> > sweater - knitted, wool or cotton, long sleeves, no buttons.
>
> AFAIK, 'sweater' is just shorthand for 'sweatshirt'.
Not in the UK though - here it's as Brian describes, and has been around
since before sweatshirts escaped from gyms and became widespread among
the general populace...
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Mary Messall
> In article <slrnc1n2vq.1...@bunnywub.megabitch.org.uk>,
> Lady Kayla <lady...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>>More for you to ruminate upon:
>>skivvy
> Personal servant (usually downtrodden).
Really? I've never heard this one before. Thanks, Kayla...
I think we use it in some sense related to that when talking
about low-ranking Navy enlistedmen, but mostly in the US your
"scivvies" are your underwear.
It's fun to try to imagine circumstances in which this could
result in confusion.
-Mary
Torak
> "Torak" <and...@andrew-perry.com> wrote in message
>>
>>And then of course there are all those shops that turn up the heating
>>full blast, so you melt while shopping. Many a time have I been forced
>>to drop my shopping and leave a shop without buying anything because
>>their heating was too high. Why not just give their staff jumpers?
>
> trying on clothes and therefore have to go to u-wear basics and back.
Agreed, and that's fair enough. But CD shops? Any of the shops where you
step inside wearing your cold-weather gear and aren't expected to take
it off, yet are hit with a blast of tropical air as you go through the
door... URgh.
> Anyway in Del Haize and GB you freeze anywhere near the refrigerated aisles
> and DH at least give their staff body warmers and gloves for stacking so
> that's one company taking up your idea.
You know Delhaize? Are you in Belgium?
My local Delhaize, though, tends to have the heating up around 20
degrees, which is far too warm for me. Imagine the trouble during last
summer, when I was trying to revise in my room - where the temperature
rarely fell below 36°....
Torak
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:44:25 GMT, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and other
>>clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
>>when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>
> Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
> brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
> teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
Hear hear! Except that teenage girls think with their wardrobes, while
teenage boys... never mind.
Torak
Hey, it's our language... ;-)
You can go back to calling it "un pull" if you pref... oh, right, that's
English too, isn't it?
<BIG GRIN>
Torak
>
> A few days back I stopped at a fast food restaurant on the the way
> to work. In the space of half an hour, there were at least two people
> who came in wearing shorts. Coat, hat, and shorts. In New York.
> In winter. In windy, snowy, colder-than-usual weather. 'Idiots'
> just about sums up my view on this, too.
Could have been Peter Jackson.
Torak
>>an article of clothing at all...
>
> I've heard it used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall used for
> small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
Isn't that a "snowsuit" or "jumpsuit", though? Even in America?
Certainly it's not a definition I've ever heard.
Louise
"Peter Ellis" <pj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a858d444...@news.cis.dfn.de...
A jumper in US is a pinafore type dress as well. A UK jumper is a US
sweater. Is that so hard?
Louise
Torak
>
> To quote Bill Bryson... <SNIP>
I used to like Bryson's books.
Then he arbitrarily decided Stockholm was unpleasant and boring because
he couldn't be arsed to leave his hotel room and buy a map.
Beth Winter
Or indeed any Kiwi. My dad mentioned that while he was working in
Sweden, several visiting professors from New Zealand wore shorts all the
time, in the middle of Swedish winter...
--
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The Discworld Compendium <http://www.extenuation.net/disc/>
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-- Neil Gaiman
Louise
"Lady Kayla" <lady...@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:slrnc1l27r....@bunnywub.megabitch.org.uk...
> Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well) have their
> brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
> teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
>
Some of them leave the small jars on their bedroom floor, opened. Or at the
train station in a locker they've mislaid the key of. Sometimes at a
friend's house. Many of them need a tenner so they can get their jar
organised
Louise "I've got one too" *argh*
Thomas Zahr
> Lady Kayla wrote
>
>> Because teenage girls (and possibly teenage boys as well)
>> have their brains removed and placed in a small jar until
>> they are no longer teenagers. Some of them forget where
>> they left the jars.
>
> Apart from the ones who keep their brains in, and end up
> being the class geekperson. Which is not fun...
> I used to be convinced some of the friends I had as a
> teenager had actually *sold* their brains in return for the
> chance of a snog with some unnappetising git with a 'Flock
> of Seagulls' hairstyle, wearing a 'Frankie Says Relax'
> T-shirt....<g>[1] CCA:)
> [1] Yeah, I know this dates me...
Wow, forgot how young you are, ... :)
Grymma
|| On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:44:25 GMT, Thomas Hamann
|| <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
||
|| [...]
||| Why do some girls insist on wearing short skirts, t-shirts, and
||| other clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in
||| WINTER, when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
||
|| brains removed and placed in a small jar until they are no longer
|| teenagers. Some of them forget where they left the jars.
||
Oh yes!
My teenage daughter is a smart bright girl. Usually. Yet here we are today
(sleet and snow falling here), and she's complaining to me that she's cold
and shivery. Well, sorry, but she'll get no sympathy when she's standing
there in a sleeveless vest top, skate shorts, and soaking wet hair from
having just washed it...
sheesh
--
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"Mothers of teens know why animals eat their young"
Daibhid Ceannaideach
>From: Torak and...@andrew-perry.com
>Date: 31/01/04 17:12 GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <401BE189...@andrew-perry.com>
>
>R Dore wrote:
>> "Torak" <and...@andrew-perry.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>And then of course there are all those shops that turn up the heating
>>>full blast, so you melt while shopping. Many a time have I been forced
>>>to drop my shopping and leave a shop without buying anything because
>>>their heating was too high. Why not just give their staff jumpers?
>>
>> In clothes shops, maybe the heat is also be intended for the people who are
>> trying on clothes and therefore have to go to u-wear basics and back.
>
>Agreed, and that's fair enough. But CD shops? Any of the shops where you
>step inside wearing your cold-weather gear and aren't expected to take
>it off, yet are hit with a blast of tropical air as you go through the
>door... URgh.
And it's the same in the Job Centre. Where you don't even have the option of
leaving, because you *need* to stand in the queue for an hour if you are to
have any future occasion where it's *worth* going into a shop.
Every fortnight, I leave the Job Centre and do a sharp turn into Smith's for a
Coke. I'm beginning to wonder if they're in cahoots.
Kegs
I wouldn't read any Paul Theroux[1] then, while Bill Bryson goes places
and pokes fun at them, but is generally fair(ish), Paul's modus operandum
seems to be to go to somewhere, be insufferably rude and condescending
to the locals, then to right a book about it, in which he is even more
unpleasant about the place. He hasn't, to my knowledge, written about
Stockholm yet, but if he had you probably would come away thinking
it was marginally less pleasant the Bucharest in the mid-80s.
[1] Louis' dad
--
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"It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it
happens." Woody Allen
Nebula
<daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
> Every fortnight, I leave the Job Centre and do a sharp turn into Smith's for a
> Coke. I'm beginning to wonder if they're in cahoots.
>
>
Every time I've left the Job Centre I've needed something
much stronger than Coke!
--
Nebula
Simon Waldman
> And, now I come to think of it, people on holiday:-)
> (Although I can't think of any better time to put your brain in a jar than on
> holiday...)
> CC "I want sunshine and beaches NOW" A:)
Working on a cruise ship can give one a lot of time to watch sunbathers.
The few from NZ or Oz are paranoicly liberal with suncream. Meanwhile
the british seem to consider it healthy to turn bright red and shed all
of their skin.
What I find amusingly ironic is that while my mostly-white passengers
are desperately trying to make themselves darker, Caribbean pharmacies
sell the (mostly black African) population cosmetic skin-lightening creams.
--
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like the ones in movies.
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April Goodwin-Smith
>
<snip>
>
> This was something I saw in Canada when I was there. As some
> of you probably know, I spent 11 months in Calgary - not the
> warmest place around during winter. Anyway, the girls at my
> high school would wear high-heeled sandal-type-shoes, no
> stockings and short skirts/dresses year round. Even if there
>
Ah. That is because some us secretly believe that we were
switched at birth and are *really* California Girls.
Hey. We do it with our architecture, too. In a land where
we can get enough snow to put 87 bazillion pounds pressure
per square millipede, what kinds of buildings do we build
for stores and malls and industrial buildings? Flat roofs,
with knee-high balustrades to prevent either easy shoveling
off, or drainage from melting.
Ooooo...and then the roof leaks and we're sooooo surprised.
April.
Put out the cat.
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like things than things. Well known fact."
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Zoë Robinson
news:bvdu1d$hh3$1...@reader11.wxs.nl...
<Cut>
> This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about the remarkable
> hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who apparently can withstand
> freezing cold and wet in delicate cocktail dresses and not much else. This
> can be witnessed every weekend apparently. Anyone know their secret?
Alcohol is a factor - it causes the skin to warm up[1] which is a great help
when you're not wearing decent clothing. Also, if you've been wearing
unsuitable clothing since you were a kid, you develop a resistance to the
cold.
[1] The biology behind this is unknown to me but I'm assured it does happen
the biology behind this is unknown to me but I'm assured it does happen
Aquarion
> "Runtime" <sp...@heliopause.nu> wrote in message
> news:10754735...@joshua.ni.scee.sony.co.uk...
>> In other news, Thomas Hamann <unzn...@lnubb.pbz> typed:
>> > clothing that-is-better-suited-for-wearing-in-the-summer in WINTER,
>> > when it's freezing and raining and there's cold hard wind?
>>
> amaze
>> me.
>>
>
> This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about the remarkable
> hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who apparently can withstand
> freezing cold and wet in delicate cocktail dresses and not much else. This
> can be witnessed every weekend apparently. Anyone know their secret?
Practice.
Okay, that sounds a little pat, so I'll expand it a little. I went to
uni in Sunderland and, being a 'normal' student I went clubbing
occasionally[1]. Inside the nightclub, where you will spend most the
evening and part of the morning, it is Hot. If everyone brings a coat,
you spend a large portion of the top and tail ends of your evening in a
queue to a) pay money for them - the nightclub - to look after it and b)
get it back again afterwards. If you're going to be drinking, there's a
chance you'll forget to pick it up again too, which is annoying.
The solution is to not wear a coat, or take anything you're going to
want to put down somewhere. After a few weeks of this, you stop noticing
the cold.
[1] a) That's "Night Clubs" not "Clubs with nails" and:
b) Don't start the "what's the point of night-clubs" thing.
Please
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Ailbhe
18:27:09 GMT):
> >From: Torak and...@andrew-perry.com
> >
> >R Dore wrote:
> >
> >> "Torak" <and...@andrew-perry.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>And then of course there are all those shops that turn up the
> >>>heating full blast, so you melt while shopping.
> >> In clothes shops, maybe the heat is also be intended for the
> >> people who are trying on clothes and therefore have to go to
> >> u-wear basics and back.
> >
> >Agreed, and that's fair enough. But CD shops? Any of the shops where
> >you step inside wearing your cold-weather gear and aren't expected
> >to take it off, yet are hit with a blast of tropical air as you go
> >through the door... URgh.
>
> And it's the same in the Job Centre. Where you don't even have the
> option of leaving, because you *need* to stand in the queue for an
> hour if you are to have any future occasion where it's *worth* going
> into a shop.
I stood in a bank yesterday filling out a deposit slip, and realised
that not only could I not remove my coat in the bank (nowhere to put it,
and I had my hands full already so couldn't hold it), but I wouldn't be
able to remove it anywhere else until I got home and changed my shirt
for one that wasn't drenched with sweat.
Everyone in the bank, apart from the staff, was wearing a winter coat.
The temperature was definitely higher than 20degC, because that's the
temperature my living room tends to be at, and I can stand in my coat in
my living room for more than 30 seconds without breaking into a sweat.
Yuk.
A.
Catja Pafort
> The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> > In article <slrnc1n2vq.1...@bunnywub.megabitch.org.uk>,
> > Lady Kayla <lady...@suespammers.org> wrote:
> >>More for you to ruminate upon:
> >>skivvy
> > Personal servant (usually downtrodden).
>
> Really? I've never heard this one before. Thanks, Kayla...
Also usable as a verb: 'to skivvy for someone'.
> I think we use it in some sense related to that when talking
> about low-ranking Navy enlistedmen, but mostly in the US your
> "scivvies" are your underwear.
Makes sense in the context.
As part of a newspaper article, I recently saw a 1920s advert for a
certain soap. Aimed at women entering the marketplace., It's purpose:
To stop 'undie odor.' [1]
(Note to self: should not collapse laughing while at work)
Catja
aka PerditaX
[1] 'undie', in my idiom, means 'underpants'. This was all prim and
proper, refering to underwear in general - wash them out every night,
this soap really won't harm them.
Maaike
<nobt...@btinternet.com> wrote:
<skimpy clothes in winter>
>Alcohol is a factor - it causes the skin to warm up[1] which is a great help
>when you're not wearing decent clothing. Also, if you've been wearing
>unsuitable clothing since you were a kid, you develop a resistance to the
>cold.
>
>[1] The biology behind this is unknown to me but I'm assured it does happen
When the skin warms up (due to extertion, alcohol, etc.), it's because
blood vessels close to the surface are expanding, thereby allowing
more blood to flow through the skin; since blood is warm, the skin
feels warmer. The body actually does this to cool down, though (more
warm blood going near cooler air means the blood loses heat), so while
alcohol will make you feel warmer temporarily, it's best to avoid it
if you're going to be outdoors for any length of time. Every year
there's some drunk fool who doesn't notice they're getting hypothermia
until it's too late.
-Maaike
Maaike
wrote:
>Darin Johnson wrote:
>> Brian Burger <yh...@victoria.tc.ca> writes:
>>
>>>jumper - someone who commits suicide by leaping off a tall structure. Not
>>>an article of clothing at all...
>>
>> I've heard it used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall used for
>> small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
>
>Isn't that a "snowsuit" or "jumpsuit", though? Even in America?
I'm not in America, but I've always understood there to be a
distinction between snowsuits and jumpsuits. Snowsuits, which can be
in one or two pieces (winter coat and insulated snow pants) are what
you wear when you go out in the snow and foresee that you'll be out
there for several hours at a time (or on your way to school and at
risk of getting drenched and hypothermic if you leave home without it
because you're a child and are going to play outdoors at lunch and
recess). A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can also be
called a sleeper.
-Maaike
The Stainless Steel Cat
Maaike <moust...@gmx.net> wrote:
> A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
>fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can also be
>called a sleeper.
To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by young
ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
one?)
The one-piece for infants you describe above, I would call a romper suit,
though I've also heard them called "babygrows" (sp?)
Cat.
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Jenny Radcliffe
> "Peter Ellis" <pj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote
> > darin_@_usa_._net wrote:
> > >Brian Burger <yh...@victoria.tc.ca> writes:
> > > I've heard it used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall
> > > used for small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
> > That's a contraction of "jumpsuit", which is *not* the same as a
> > UK "jumper".
> A jumper in US is a pinafore type dress as well. A UK jumper is a
> US sweater. Is that so hard?
Hrm, not quite. Well, not to me, anyway.
That is, to me, in .ukian English, a "jumper" is made out of wool, or
another fibre definitely spun to be like wool.
A "tracksuit top" type thing, which fits the .us definition of "sweater" as
I understand it, is a sweatshirt, to me.
A sweatshirt and a jumper are two very different things. One is
fundamentally itchy, the other is not. The jumper is either very itchy
(because it's made out of wool), or moderately itchy (because it's made out
of cotton or acrylic or something else, in that kind of large-ish thread
with noticeable fibres poking out). The sweatshirt is usually made out of
cotton jersey, probably fluffy on the inside (at least when new).
I don't really use the term "sweater" at all. A cardigan is indeed a jumper
with buttons. I'll use the term cardigan for a sweatshirt with buttons, or
even with a zip, but only because I don't know what to call it. It's not a
cardigan *really*.
Additionally to these there is the further alternative of the fleece. Which
is made out of fleece, and may be zipped up the front, partially zipped up
the front, or neither.
Further to Lady Kayla's post, "guernsey" and "jersey" are specific types of
jumper, with specific knits, but I don't know which or what. I know that
other people use "jersey", and "sweater", to describe both sweatshirts and
jumpers.
A skivvy is a poorly paid cleaner/potato peeler/dish washer type person. My
grandma skivvied for Michael Foot's mother, because grandma's mother in law
was Michael Foot's mother's housekeeper.
One also has rugby tops and things, but they're thinner.
Jenny
I do hope my line-lengths are sensible. Are they working properly?
Jenny Radcliffe
> This has puzzled me since I heard two colleagues talk about the
> remarkable hardiness of young ladies in Newcastle who apparently
> can withstand freezing cold and wet in delicate cocktail dresses
> and not much else. This can be witnessed every weekend apparently.
> Anyone know their secret?
I don't think I'd call them cocktail dresses, that sounds far too classy
and/or stylish.
None-the-less I see them not just at the weekend, but pretty much every day
I'm in Newcastle.
Now, I'm no warm-blooded soul, or possibly I am, depending on how you define
it.
Last term I sat in lectures in jeans and a t-shirt, fanning myself with my
notes because I was too warm, and everyone else in the room had their coats
on. Every week. Admittedly most of the class is Indian, with a handful of
Africans, Middle-Easterners, at least one Chinese bloke, a couple of Greeks
and a Malaysian, but even so, I felt silly.
Oh, and three Geordies, come to think of it, or local North-Easterners at
least, who were still wrapped up warm.
I weigh too much, and it significantly decreases my already pathetic heat
tolerance[1].
Even so, I watch with amazement the ghastly sight of mini-skirts and thin
strappy tops plastered with rain to women who have clearly lived in the area
all their lives and *know* what the weather is like ...
It brings out the snob in me, so it does.
Ahem, that's quite enough rambling.
[1] I'm also less fit than I ought to be, I established on Friday when I
really *hurt* keeping up with my housemate while walking to a friend's.[2]
Now, I know he walks fast, but it's never *hurt* before. It's no good asking
him to slow down - it only works for about 30s. It is thus a waste of
breath. Time to say hello to the mortification of swimming costumes
again.[3]
[2] Hello, Strib. Nice pizza!
[3] I'd love to have such a costume as one can apparently aquire in Oz. With
quarter-legs, and quarter-sleeves. I have tried endlessly to find such a
thing - racing swimmers use them too. Anyone with any idea for here in .uk?
Grymma
|| Maaike <moust...@gmx.net> wrote:
||
||| A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
||| fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can also be
||| called a sleeper.
||
|| To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by
|| young ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own
|| up, who had one?)
<hand> I called it a flying suit though </ hand> My idea of a jumpsuit is
one of those things you go sky-diving in, however.
||
|| The one-piece for infants you describe above, I would call a romper
|| suit, though I've also heard them called "babygrows" (sp?)
Because Babygro is a brand name for these one piece things with poppers up
and down the leg and front or back of suit. Affectionately known as
'grow-bags' in my house - due to the similarities between these and those
peat manure bags one grows tomatoes in... (both being soft and full of
sh1t half of the time)
:o)
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When choosing between two evils, I always like to try
the one I've never tried before. --Mae West
Orjan Westin
>
> I don't really use the term "sweater" at all. A cardigan is indeed a
> jumper with buttons. I'll use the term cardigan for a sweatshirt with
> buttons, or even with a zip, but only because I don't know what to
> call it. It's not a cardigan *really*.
If it has a hood, it's known in Sweden as "munkjacka" (= monk's jacket/short
coat) regardless of whether it has a zip or not. Originally, it only
referred to a hooded sweatshirt without a zip but with a pocket covering the
lower part, open so you could put a hand in from each side and clasp them
together in the middle.
> Further to Lady Kayla's post, "guernsey" and "jersey" are specific
> types of jumper, with specific knits, but I don't know which or what.
> I know that other people use "jersey", and "sweater", to describe
> both sweatshirts and jumpers.
"jersey" knit is usually used in high-quality t-shirts, like Fruit of the
Loom.
> I do hope my line-lengths are sensible. Are they working properly?
Looks ok to me, but them I'm using OE-QuoteFix.
Orjan
Orjan Westin
> Time to say hello to the mortification
> of swimming costumes again.[3]
>
> [3] I'd love to have such a costume as one can apparently aquire in
> Oz. With quarter-legs, and quarter-sleeves. I have tried endlessly to
> find such a thing - racing swimmers use them too. Anyone with any
> idea for here in .uk?
Save money and get any design you want - paint it on.
Orjan
esmi
Cat) wrote
>> A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
>>fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can
>>also be called a sleeper.
>To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly
>worn by young ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's
>disco-chicks, own up, who had one?)
I had *one*. OK. And it was cotton and definitely *not* disco
material - thus totally suiting its owner. :-p
>The one-piece for infants you describe above, I would call a
>romper suit, though I've also heard them called "babygrows"
>(sp?)
Rompers didn't have long sleeves or legs and were normally worn
by boy babies. Years ago [1], baby girls wore frilly dresses and
baby boys wore marginally less frilly romper suits.
esmi
[1] As in "When my mother was young" [2]
[2] Thankfully - as I wouldn't want to do all that frill
ironing!
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> Mary Messall wrote:
>
> > The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> > > In article <slrnc1n2vq.1...@bunnywub.megabitch.org.uk>,
> > > Lady Kayla <lady...@suespammers.org> wrote:
> > >>More for you to ruminate upon:
> > >>skivvy
> > > Personal servant (usually downtrodden).
> >
> > Really? I've never heard this one before. Thanks, Kayla...
>
> Also usable as a verb: 'to skivvy for someone'.
>
> > I think we use it in some sense related to that when talking
> > about low-ranking Navy enlistedmen, but mostly in the US your
> > "scivvies" are your underwear.
>
> Makes sense in the context.
>
>
> As part of a newspaper article, I recently saw a 1920s advert for a
> certain soap. Aimed at women entering the marketplace., It's purpose:
>
>
>
> To stop 'undie odor.' [1]
>
> (Note to self: should not collapse laughing while at work)
*rolls about the floor laughing*
Oh, that is funny. Those merkins never will learn how to spell.
;-)
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Catja Pafort
> Imagine the trouble during last
> summer, when I was trying to revise in my room - where the temperature
> rarely fell below 36°....
And then there was me, walking around Basel, [1] and, just because it
was there, popping into the greenhouse for a moment. [2]
And in there, I sat down, and let out a deep sigh. Finally, I'd found a
place where I could feel comfortable.
I then got up and walked past a thermometer. 35°C. Bliss.
Catja, also seen mucking out in a T-shirt at 6°C recently
aka PerditaX
[1] Using the library. What else.
[2] Also belonging to the University, not far from the library, and open
to the public.
April Goodwin-Smith
>
<snip>
> A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
> fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and
> can also be called a sleeper.
>
Ah, how the mighty are fallen. A jumpsuit used to be a very
chic item of clothing in the late seventies. Based on the
bright orange all-in-one suits used by parachutists, and
popularized by, I think, Charlie's Angels, since it allowed
the front to be unzipped all the way down to a point where
there was no doubt about bra-wearing, and the continued
zipper heading for the crotch led the thoughts on.
You can see them if you watch Retro Boogie Dance Party on
Much Music. I wish one of my TV stations had gotten that
show when it was being made - I would have understood some
of the Second City parodies better. :)
April Goodwin-Smith
<snip>
>
> If it has a hood, it's known in Sweden as "munkjacka" (=monk's
> jacket/short coat) regardless of whether it has a zip or not.
> Originally, it only referred to a hooded sweatshirt without
> a zip but with a pocket covering the lower part, open so you
> could put a hand in from each side and clasp them together in
> the middle.
>
This, when I was an *adorable* tow-headed tot, was a kangaroo
coat. I had a white one. *What* was my mother *thinking*?
Torak
>>
>>>I've heard [jumper] used for clothing that's a one-piece coverall used for
>>>small children. Ie, one-piece snow outfits.
>>
>>Isn't that a "snowsuit" or "jumpsuit", though? Even in America?
>
> I'm not in America, but I've always understood there to be a
> distinction between snowsuits and jumpsuits. Snowsuits, which can be
> in one or two pieces (winter coat and insulated snow pants) are what
> you wear when you go out in the snow and foresee that you'll be out
> there for several hours at a time (or on your way to school and at
> risk of getting drenched and hypothermic if you leave home without it
> because you're a child and are going to play outdoors at lunch and
Agreed; personally I'd consider a snowsuit to be the white "waterproofs"
worn over the camo uniform for arctic combat. The other kind I'd call
overalls or "winter kit" respectively.
> recess). A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
> fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can also be
> called a sleeper.
Technically, of course, a jumpsuit is a sort of overall thing used for
parachuting. ISTR it was invented by the Paras during WW2 or something,
though I'm sure someone who's been paying attention will correct me... ;-)
Simon Waldman
> Ah, how the mighty are fallen. A jumpsuit used to be a very
> chic item of clothing in the late seventies. Based on the
> bright orange all-in-one suits used by parachutists, and
> popularized by, I think, Charlie's Angels, since it allowed
> the front to be unzipped all the way down to a point where
> there was no doubt about bra-wearing, and the continued
> zipper heading for the crotch led the thoughts on.
I tend to agree but what, if any, is the difference between a jumpsuit
and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use for "night fever" type
stuff)?
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Grymma
<snip>
||
|| I tend to agree but what, if any, is the difference between a
|| jumpsuit and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use for "night
|| fever" type stuff)?
For me it's what it conjures up mentally...
Catsuit = Honor Blackman/Pussy Galore
Jumpsuit = Joanna Lumley et al in Absolutely Fabulous
:o)
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Graycat
<swal...@firecloud.org.uk> wrote:
>April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
>
>> Ah, how the mighty are fallen. A jumpsuit used to be a very
>> chic item of clothing in the late seventies. Based on the
>> bright orange all-in-one suits used by parachutists, and
>> popularized by, I think, Charlie's Angels, since it allowed
>> the front to be unzipped all the way down to a point where
>> there was no doubt about bra-wearing, and the continued
>> zipper heading for the crotch led the thoughts on.
>
>I tend to agree but what, if any, is the difference between a jumpsuit
>and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use for "night fever" type
>stuff)?
Hm, I thought it was the slinkyness...
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"The Stainless Steel Cat" <stee...@atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BC43100C9...@atuin.demon.co.uk...
> In article <mshq105os4i4fjm9j...@4ax.com>,
> Maaike <moust...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > A jumpsuit, however, is a one-piece affair of fairly light
> >fabric worn by infants. It may or may not have feet, and can also be
> >called a sleeper.
>
> To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by young
> ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
> one?)
>
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CCA
>To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by young
>ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
>one?)
I was an eighties disco-chick, but I didn't have one of those - I was a skirts
girl back then too!
And I didn't have a puff-ball skirt either, thankfully :-)
CCA:)
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Torak
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:10:45 +0000, Simon Waldman
>>
>>and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use for "night fever" type
>>stuff)?
>
> Hm, I thought it was the slinkyness...
What, they fall down stairs with an intriguing demonstration of wave
dynamics?
Torak
>>ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
>>one?)
>
> *sigh* Don't you mean Who didn't?? Was it possible not to??
I have a wonderful powder-blue three-piece suit from the mid-seventies.
Waistcoat, flared trousers, the works.
Unfortunately I can't get into it, thanks to a combination of being too
tall and... well, how can I put this delicately... sitting down all day. ;-)
Peter Ellis
>
>I have a wonderful powder-blue three-piece suit from the mid-seventies.
>Waistcoat, flared trousers, the works.
>
>Unfortunately I can't get into it, thanks to a combination of being too
>tall and... well, how can I put this delicately... sitting down all day. ;-)
I didn't know you could *get* piles that size.
Peter
April Goodwin-Smith
> April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
> > Ah, how the mighty are fallen. A jumpsuit used to be a very
> > chic item of clothing in the late seventies. Based on the
> > bright orange all-in-one suits used by parachutists, and
> > popularized by, I think, Charlie's Angels, since it allowed
> > the front to be unzipped all the way down to a point where
> > there was no doubt about bra-wearing, and the continued
> > zipper heading for the crotch led the thoughts on.
>
> I tend to agree but what, if any, is the difference between
> a jumpsuit and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use
> for "night fever" type stuff)?
>
A catsuit is skintight (as of the sprayed on variety), and made
out of shiny black leather and worn with spiky black high heels.
Julie Newmar in the Batman Series as Catwoman is the originator,
I believe. The other woman who played Catwoman on the series,
and whose name escapes me, didn't hurt its popularity, either.
It is not necessary to wear a loo-mask or a cat-ear headband
with it, although having additional strategic zippers is
acceptable.
CCA
>Simon Waldman wrote:
>>I tend to agree but what, if any, is the difference between a jumpsuit
>>and a catsuit (which is the word I'd tend to use for "night fever" type
>>stuff)?
>Hm, I thought it was the slinkyness...
Yes, that's the best way to describe it...
Jumpsuit has a zip and is usually a lot looser than a catsuit (but not all that
loose or it becomes a boiler suit - also popular in the eighties)
Catsuit is quite often made of lycra, and *pulls* on rather than having any
fastenings. Rather like a colourful leotard with legs. I had one of these back
in the eighties, for dance lessons.
CCA
>The Stainless Steel Cat wrote
>> To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by young
>> ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
>> one?)
>*sigh* Don't you mean Who didn't?? Was it possible not to??
I avoided them, *and* Ra-Ra skirts and pedal pushers too.
raymond larsson
says...
>
> If it has a hood, it's known in Sweden as "munkjacka" (= monk's jacket/short
> coat) regardless of whether it has a zip or not. Originally, it only
> referred to a hooded sweatshirt without a zip but with a pocket covering the
> lower part, open so you could put a hand in from each side and clasp them
> together in the middle.
Oh! A bunnyhug.
Kegs
Of course you can, thats why long johns have catflaps, isn't it?
--
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Torak
You'd be surprised. My carpet's covered in piles. And there are half a
dozen French piles charging right now.
Carol Hague
> "The Stainless Steel Cat" <stee...@atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BC43100C9...@atuin.demon.co.uk...
> > To me a jumpsuit is a one-piece outfit (without feet) mostly worn by young
> > ladies in the 1980's. (Come on all you 80's disco-chicks, own up, who had
> > one?)
> >
> *sigh* Don't you mean Who didn't?? Was it possible not to??
It certainly was if you were what my husband kindly refers to as "big
bum size" :-)
Couldn't have got one in my size if I'd wanted one, which I didn't
because I knew I'd look awful in the ghastly thing.
Plus there was the sheer impracticality of visiting the loo while
wearing one....
--
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"If tin whistles are made of tin, what do they make fog horns out of?"
- Lonnie Donegan
Sian Hiscock
> Ah, how the mighty are fallen. A jumpsuit used to be a very
> chic item of clothing in the late seventies. Based on the
> bright orange all-in-one suits used by parachutists, and
> popularized by, I think, Charlie's Angels, since it allowed
> the front to be unzipped all the way down to a point where
> there was no doubt about bra-wearing, and the continued
> zipper heading for the crotch led the thoughts on.
*Sian, AFP resident fashionista jumps headfirst into the thread,
screaming "hooray! They're talking about fashion!"*
I'd just like to add I have a rather fetching Maria Chen jumpsuit that
both hides the wobbly bits and accentuates my best features
beautifully. Balanciaga's current season has a couple of jumpsuits in
them too, and no they look nothing like 'Charlie's Angels/Disco fever
from the 70s, but have a passing reference to the baggy all in ones
from the early 90s/late 80s. ("Hammertime!" Pants are back... as is
early 90s rave look. Dust off your glowsticks and pop the
hallucinagenics[1] to attend 7 hour raves- you know you want do it all
again. Ha.)
Yep, fashion is circular. And if anyone snorts derisively and says the
word "regurgitation" I'll say you're showing your age and that trends
have ebbed and flowed since society started to want to dress pretty.
*Springs back into her Balanciaga-lined box, littered with shoes*
Sian
X
Richard Bos
> Yep, fashion is circular. And if anyone snorts derisively and says the
> word "regurgitation" I'll say you're showing your age and that trends
> have ebbed and flowed since society started to want to dress pretty.
Me, I'm just waiting for the toga to come back into fashion.
Richard, who notes that there were fashions in toga wear, too
Andrew Gray
> Jumpsuit has a zip and is usually a lot looser than a catsuit (but
> not all that loose or it becomes a boiler suit - also popular in the
> eighties)
A boiler suit. Popular.
Well, I suppose "in the eighties" is about the only imaginable qualifier
you can add after that...
--
-Andrew Gray
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CCA
>CCA wrote:
>a boiler suit - also popular in the
>> eighties
>A boiler suit. Popular.
>Well, I suppose "in the eighties" is about the only imaginable qualifier
>you can add after that...
Oddly enough, they were - I remember my sister when she was about ten or eleven
years old, searching for ages for one. It was the middle of winter, and Mum
said she could only have one if it was a winter weight one.
There was no taste in the eighties...remember, this is the decade that spawned
Bros....
(Urrghhh, Bros...)
CCA:)
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Torak
Actually, the ultimate fashion item at Grey College last year
(2002-2003) was the Grey boiler suit. I've got one, it's very nice. Navy
blue, with the college crest on the front and "Non Levitas Tolero Fatui"
on the back....
X Kyle M Thompson
[80's]
> There was no taste in the eighties...remember, this is the decade
> that spawned Bros....
I was in a bros tribute band once, many moons ago[1].
And I mean *once* it was awful.
kt.
[1] or ~ 417.419656 fortnights
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The ceremony was rubbish but the reception was brilliant.
Richard Bos
> CCA wrote:
> [80's]
> > There was no taste in the eighties...remember, this is the decade
> > that spawned Bros....
>
> I was in a bros tribute band once, many moons ago[1].
>
> And I mean *once* it was awful.
Ah - an _accurate_ tribute band!
Richard
Catja Pafort
> If it has a hood, it's known in Sweden as "munkjacka" (= monk's jacket/short
> coat) regardless of whether it has a zip or not.
'hooded top' or 'hoodie' around here. No guarantees that the second term
will be universally understood.
> Originally, it only
> referred to a hooded sweatshirt without a zip but with a pocket covering the
> lower part, open so you could put a hand in from each side and clasp them
> together in the middle.
I've seen them with one long pocket. Only, I haven't seen one in about
fifteen years.
Catja
aka PerditaX
Stacie Hanes
they are around here, but I don't travle so much that I can speak for the
rest of a large country. But they're sold by national chains, so probably
they are all over.
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
"swordswomen of the afpocalypse" copyright Jon of afp, 2004.
Andrew Gray
> Torak <and...@andrew-perry.com> writes:
>
>> CCA wrote:
>>> To quote Bill Bryson... <SNIP>
>>
>> I used to like Bryson's books.
>>
>> Then he arbitrarily decided Stockholm was unpleasant and boring
>> because he couldn't be arsed to leave his hotel room and buy a map.
Which is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than deciding other
cities are boring because you can't be bothered.
Bryson is opinionated. This is, unsurprisingly, not particularly news.
(Me, I like it when someone writes a book about travellling and doesn't
praise every bus-stop). I rather like Edinburgh, but I can quite agree
with him when he wrote about it being dismal in the right circumstances
(with the sun over the horizon...).
> I wouldn't read any Paul Theroux[1] then, while Bill Bryson goes places
> and pokes fun at them, but is generally fair(ish), Paul's modus operandum
> seems to be to go to somewhere, be insufferably rude and condescending
> to the locals, then to right a book about it, in which he is even more
> unpleasant about the place. He hasn't, to my knowledge, written about
> Stockholm yet, but if he had you probably would come away thinking
> it was marginally less pleasant the Bucharest in the mid-80s.
IM(limited)E, Theroux writes more about places that you expect to be
naer-paradise and points out that they're, well, not. I have a suspicion
that his comments about, for example, some swathes of Pacific islands
are likely to be more accurate than most on the market.
There are places he gives a raw deal, and it's a bit clear - I wouldn't
take his opinion of Buenos Aires as far as I could throw it, becuase he
didn't appear to ever look at the city - but in general, it's an
interesting way to write a travel book. And some of the incidental
commentary is really what you pay admission for, IIRC...
--
-Andrew Gray
shim...@bigfoot.com
Kegs
> In article <m3k737q...@athena.homeric.co.uk>, Kegs wrote:
>> I wouldn't read any Paul Theroux[1] then, while Bill Bryson goes places
>> and pokes fun at them, but is generally fair(ish), Paul's modus operandum
>> seems to be to go to somewhere, be insufferably rude and condescending
>> to the locals, then to right a book about it, in which he is even more
>> unpleasant about the place. He hasn't, to my knowledge, written about
>> Stockholm yet, but if he had you probably would come away thinking
>> it was marginally less pleasant the Bucharest in the mid-80s.
> There are places he gives a raw deal, and it's a bit clear - I wouldn't
> take his opinion of Buenos Aires as far as I could throw it, becuase he
> didn't appear to ever look at the city - but in general, it's an
> interesting way to write a travel book. And some of the incidental
> commentary is really what you pay admission for, IIRC...
Yeah, they are, fantastic travel books, written in an unusual style,
Kingdom By the Sea and On the Old Patagonia Express especially. You just
end up wondering, especially in "Kingdom", where there wasn't a language
barrier, why someone didn't thump him.
--
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Andrew Gray
>
>> There are places he gives a raw deal, and it's a bit clear - I wouldn't
>> take his opinion of Buenos Aires as far as I could throw it, becuase he
>> didn't appear to ever look at the city - but in general, it's an
>> interesting way to write a travel book. And some of the incidental
>> commentary is really what you pay admission for, IIRC...
>
> Yeah, they are, fantastic travel books, written in an unusual style,
> Kingdom By the Sea and On the Old Patagonia Express especially. You just
> end up wondering, especially in "Kingdom", where there wasn't a language
> barrier, why someone didn't thump him.
Kingdom is on the pile of 50p-books-from-the-charity-shop-to-read at the
moment, in fact. I read Patagonia, and other than some very scathing
comments about the large cities (as above) you did at least get the
impression that when he described somewhere as foetid and unpleasant, it
probably *was* a convincing description of a Guatemalan local
cattle-class train...
--
-Andrew Gray
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Daibhid Ceannaideach
>From: Andrew Gray andre...@dunelm.org.uk
>Date: 03/02/04 21:26 GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <slrnc204bt.3r...@compsoc.dur.ac.uk>
>
>In article <m3k737q...@athena.homeric.co.uk>, Kegs wrote:
>> Torak <and...@andrew-perry.com> writes:
>>
>>> CCA wrote:
>>>> To quote Bill Bryson... <SNIP>
>>>
>>> I used to like Bryson's books.
>>>
>>> Then he arbitrarily decided Stockholm was unpleasant and boring
>>> because he couldn't be arsed to leave his hotel room and buy a map.
>
>Which is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than deciding other
>cities are boring because you can't be bothered.
>
>Bryson is opinionated. This is, unsurprisingly, not particularly news.
>(Me, I like it when someone writes a book about travellling and doesn't
>praise every bus-stop). I rather like Edinburgh, but I can quite agree
>with him when he wrote about it being dismal in the right circumstances
>(with the sun over the horizon...).
And his complaints about certain buildings in Inverness were, sadly, absolutely
spot on. He's lucky he was here before the Eastgate Centre...
--
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tunes.
-Doctor Who: Scream of the Shalka
Thomas Zahr
> In article <m3k737q...@athena.homeric.co.uk>, Kegs
> wrote:
>> Torak <and...@andrew-perry.com> writes:
>>
>>> CCA wrote:
>>>> To quote Bill Bryson... <SNIP>
>>>
... Bryson
Well, he writes about himself, not about the places he visits [1]
... Theroux
And he writes even more about himself than Bryson
...
I like them both, Bryson for Thomas in a light mood, Theroux when I'm feeling more
serious.
[1] how could he otherwise have rubbished Cologne?
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Torak
>>>Torak <and...@andrew-perry.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>I used to like Bryson's books.
>>>>
>>>>Then he arbitrarily decided Stockholm was unpleasant and boring
>>>>because he couldn't be arsed to leave his hotel room and buy a map.
>>>
>>Which is, of course, an order of magnitude worse than deciding other
>>cities are boring because you can't be bothered.
It is. I just said there's very little that interests *me* here, whereas
Bryson just says flat out that Stockholm is boring (it's not), dirty
(it's not) and essentially dead.
>>Bryson is opinionated. This is, unsurprisingly, not particularly news.
>>(Me, I like it when someone writes a book about travellling and doesn't
>>praise every bus-stop). I rather like Edinburgh, but I can quite agree
>>with him when he wrote about it being dismal in the right circumstances
>>(with the sun over the horizon...).
I like Edinburgh....
Flesh-eating dragon
> > I think we use it in some sense related to that when talking
> > about low-ranking Navy enlistedmen, but mostly in the US your
> > "scivvies" are your underwear.
>
> Makes sense in the context.
The only meaning of the word "scivvy" that's common over here (.au) is
the one pertaining to a T-shirt-like thing with long sleeves and a
horrible choking collar. (When I say "common", I haven't heard it in
what feels like twenty years, but that's common compared to "not heard
at all, except in international Internet thingies".
> As part of a newspaper article, I recently saw a 1920s advert for a
> certain soap. Aimed at women entering the marketplace., It's purpose:
>
> To stop 'undie odor.' [1]
>
> [1] 'undie', in my idiom, means 'underpants'. This was all prim and
> proper, refering to underwear in general - wash them out every night,
> this soap really won't harm them.
AFAICS, "undie odo(u)r" can mean either of two things:
- The smell of underpants.
- The smell of vampires.
I would assume that the former is intended. :-)
Adrian.
MP
>>>From: Andrew Gray andre...@dunelm.org.uk
>>>Bryson is opinionated. This is, unsurprisingly, not particularly news.
>>>(Me, I like it when someone writes a book about travellling and doesn't
>>>praise every bus-stop). I rather like Edinburgh, but I can quite agree
>>>with him when he wrote about it being dismal in the right circumstances
>>>(with the sun over the horizon...).
>
>I like Edinburgh....
I like Edinburgh too, but it can be dismal at times. It's weird in the morning
after big events. It's miserable and crowded in rain, but given a brightish day,
it's lovely.
A lot of people like York. _I_ like York, but not all the time. It is really
terrible for travelling when flooded (all the cycle paths go underwater! No good
unless you like cycling in scuba gear...) and pretty horible for residents
during half-terms and between June and early-September, but I still like it. I'm
not going to praise it all the time though.
Every city and town has bad points and good points (apart from Whitehaven[1] and
Fort William[2]) and one person's good points are another person's poison.
Basically, opinionated people are much better for selling books. Controversy is
even better, but it's hard to offend the entire population of a town in a single
pithy phrase that can be splashed across national papers...
[1] OK, it might have good points. I just haven't come across them yet... :-)
[2] These are my pet hated places. You may disagree, but I'm being opinionated
on these two, since I've been to each a number of times and still not found good
sides to them. If you can find some, please let me know...[3]
[3] Having relatives there, or living there doesn't count!
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And the email address. And the other headers.
But apart from that...
Rhiannon S
>From: MP ju...@bleurgh.net
>Date: 05/02/2004 20:56 GMT Standard Time
>Message-id: <mfb5209rjnquc1m61...@4ax.com>
...snip....
>Fort William[2]) and one person's good points are another person's poison.
>[2] These are my pet hated places. You may disagree, but I'm being
>opinionated
>on these two, since I've been to each a number of times and still not found
>good
>sides to them. If you can find some, please let me know..
Fort William. You can get to have a quiet laugh at all the tourists paying
lots of money for 'monster' souvniers. And it's quite nice on a sunny morning
looking out over the loch.
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Jon
>> Subject: Re: [I] Bizarre clothing in winter...
>> From: MP ju...@bleurgh.net
>> Date: 05/02/2004 20:56 GMT Standard Time
>> Message-id: <mfb5209rjnquc1m61...@4ax.com>
> ...snip....
>> Fort William[2]) and one person's good points are another person's
>> poison. ....snip.... [2] These are my pet hated places. You may
>> disagree, but I'm being opinionated
>> on these two, since I've been to each a number of times and still
>> not found good
>> sides to them. If you can find some, please let me know..
>
> Fort William. You can get to have a quiet laugh at all the tourists
> paying lots of money for 'monster' souvniers. And it's quite nice on
> a sunny morning looking out over the loch.
Monster souvenirs? Have they moved Fort William, or is there supposed to be
a monster in Loch Eil or Loch Linnhe now?