im new
rebecca
reading makerade
i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was about
13 ish
i must say i'ts defaintkly the right sort of age for prattchetss younbg kids
wouldnt understand but teens would n adult would two but teen is the perfect
age to start reading the books
"i have been through the mill i have & i made myslef what i am today"
god this sounds like my parents the reply in thought was
"self raising flour"
that is so just my kind of thinking i find ever so amusing youd have to be
witty or teenagerish to think of it
best wishes to every one who reads this
rebecca
-x-
Edward Cherlin
Welcome to afp.
rebecca
Arthur Hagen
> hi all im new to the newsgroup but not exactly new to prattchet im
> curently reading makerade
> i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was
> about 13 ish
Last month?
> i must say i'ts defaintkly the right sort of age for prattchetss
> younbg kids wouldnt understand but teens would n adult would two but
> teen is the perfect age to start reading the books
> "i have been through the mill i have & i made myslef what i am today"
> god this sounds like my parents the reply in thought was
> "self raising flour"
> that is so just my kind of thinking i find ever so amusing youd have
> to be witty or teenagerish to think of it
One thing is being dyslexic or otherwise having an impediment that can
affect writing. Another thing is to eschew spell checkers that would
alleviate the problems caused by the condition. Expecting others to
read your drivel without you making even a token effort is like people
missing a leg insisting that strangers carry them around. A spell
checker would be your wheelchair, and trust me, you need one.
--
*Art
mark
Arthur Hagen (a...@broomstick.com) was heard to remark...
> rebecca <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote:
> > hi all im new to the newsgroup but not exactly new to prattchet im
> > curently reading makerade
> > i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was
> > about 13 ish
>
> Last month?
She'll learn. Sooner or later everyone does. The Pit sees to that.
No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
<snip angry Art />
--
"The [New York] Times is not a bad little newspaper in some ways. But
when it comes to things like egg balancing, it is out of its depth."
- Cecil Adams, /More of the Straight Dope/
jester
<m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
<hack>
>No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
Looks like I was right, and we've gone straoght from September to
February. 8-/
--
Andy Brown
To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has been encrypted
using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption.
rebecca
"mark" <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d4f0c698...@news.individual.net...
> While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
> Arthur Hagen (a...@broomstick.com) was heard to remark...
> > rebecca <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote:
> > > hi all im new to the newsgroup but not exactly new to prattchet im
> > > curently reading makerade
> > > i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was
> > > about 13 ish
> >
> > Last month?
>
> She'll learn. Sooner or later everyone does. The Pit sees to that.
>
> No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
>
>
>
> i am impressed
if i am to learn this i must honour my tutuor or is that tell him/her where
to shove her spellings?
rebecca
> > hi all im new to the newsgroup but not exactly new to prattchet im
> > curently reading makerade
> > i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was
> > about 13 ish
>
> Last month?
actually 5 years ago arthur
>
> > i must say i'ts defaintkly the right sort of age for prattchetss
> > younbg kids wouldnt understand but teens would n adult would two but
> > teen is the perfect age to start reading the books
> > "i have been through the mill i have & i made myslef what i am today"
> > god this sounds like my parents the reply in thought was
> > "self raising flour"
> > that is so just my kind of thinking i find ever so amusing youd have
> > to be witty or teenagerish to think of it
>
> One thing is being dyslexic or otherwise having an impediment that can
> affect writing. Another thing is to eschew spell checkers that would
> alleviate the problems caused by the condition. Expecting others to
> read your drivel without you making even a token effort is like people
> missing a leg insisting that strangers carry them around. A spell
> checker would be your wheelchair, and trust me, you need one.
>
> yes so im dyselixic its common enough
im not dosabled i just cant spell
and do you get spell checkers for outlook express?
if so please feel free to send me ont in the post !
rebecca
-x-
Diane L
> rebecca <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote:
That's a strange way to spell "Welcome to afp" Art. Are you
dyslexic.
>> hi all im new to the newsgroup but not exactly new to prattchet im
>> curently reading makerade
>> i must say i love the book so far i started reading them when i was
>> about 13 ish
>
> Last month?
>
>> i must say i'ts defaintkly the right sort of age for prattchetss
>> younbg kids wouldnt understand but teens would n adult would two but
>> teen is the perfect age to start reading the books
>> "i have been through the mill i have & i made myslef what i am
>> today" god this sounds like my parents the reply in thought was
>> "self raising flour"
>> that is so just my kind of thinking i find ever so amusing youd have
>> to be witty or teenagerish to think of it
>
> One thing is being dyslexic or otherwise having an impediment that can
> affect writing. Another thing is to eschew spell checkers that would
> alleviate the problems caused by the condition.
I'm pretty sure the OE spellcheck function only works when you have
MSWord installed, which it's quite possible Rebecca hasn't.
> Expecting others to
> read your drivel without you making even a token effort is like people
> missing a leg insisting that strangers carry them around. A spell
> checker would be your wheelchair, and trust me, you need one.
Diane L.
Diane L.
goblin
jester wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:49:53 +1000, mark
> <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> <hack>
> >No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
>
> Looks like I was right, and we've gone straoght from September to
> February. 8-/
>
Shirley it is always September somewhere?
--
goblin
Michael Schuelke
> im not dosabled i just cant spell
In that case, it just might be a good idea if you tried to learn it :-)
When you're writing for others to read, spelling things correctly makes
things *much* easier for your readers -- and that, in turn, makes it far
more likely that said others *will* actually read what you wrote.
If you're content with just writing stuff, spell it any way you like -- but
if you want your wrinting to be read, understood and replied-to, you're
doing yourself a favour if you spell it correctly.
> and do you get spell checkers for outlook express?
I don't know, but there are many newsreaders that have one.
Michael
Kimberley Verburg
>I'm pretty sure the OE spellcheck function only works when you have
>MSWord installed, which it's quite possible Rebecca hasn't.
Well, I'll be damned. You're right. I have OE on my system from when I
taught a course on e-mail because that's what the university used, but I
don't have MS Word at the moment. I can't believe I didn't notice before.
--
Kimberley Verburg
k...@lspace.org
Kimberley Verburg
>> yes so im dyselixic its common enough
>im not dosabled i just cant spell
>and do you get spell checkers for outlook express?
>if so please feel free to send me ont in the post !
If you enter the search terms "spellchecker" and "outlook express" into
Google you will find free spellchecking programs for OE. I have no
experience of them though, but perhaps someone else will be able to tell
you if they're any good.
Kimberley
--
By the way most of my teachers thought I was a lazy smart ass even when
the test said I had a learning disabilty. But what they hated was loseing
a dieologe by logic with a kid who could find 8 ways to spell it.
-- Richard E White, on alt.fan.pratchett
--
Kimberley Verburg
k...@lspace.org
Arthur Hagen
>
> yes so im dyselixic its common enough
> im not dosabled i just cant spell
That *is* a disability that prevents you from functioning well in our
society. It's even a recognised disability, unlike many other
conditions.
> and do you get spell checkers for outlook express?
Absolutely. If you have Microsoft Office installed, all you have to do
is hit F7 and the Office spell checker will be used. There's also
freeware alternatives. And the alternative of switching newsreaders.
Finding out this is /your/ responsibility, but there's resources for
dyslexics that can help. Unless you're in the US, there's also a high
chance that you might be entitled to extra support because of your
disability, including equipment and software.
> if so please feel free to send me ont in the post !
Absolutely not, for several reasons. The main two are that (a) this is
not a binary newsgroup, so we do not post attchments here, and (b) you
can easily find them yourself; I refuse to carry you.
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> rebecca <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote:
>
> That's a strange way to spell "Welcome to afp" Art.
No, it's a way to attribute quotes. Besides, why would I welcome
myself?
>> One thing is being dyslexic or otherwise having an impediment that
>> can affect writing. Another thing is to eschew spell checkers that
>> would alleviate the problems caused by the condition.
>
> I'm pretty sure the OE spellcheck function only works when you have
> MSWord installed, which it's quite possible Rebecca hasn't.
Then, for the love of dog, the OP should get MS Word, or a freeware
spellchecker, or switch to a different news client that can do it.
This person is unable to post coherently with the current setup, and
needs to change it to a solution that at a minimum includes a spell
checker.
Yes, we should be accommodating to people with disabilities, but only
when the disabled people do *their* part to overcome the problems.
Regards,
--
*Art
mark
Arthur Hagen (a...@broomstick.com) was heard to remark...
> spellchecker, or switch to a different news client that can do it.
> This person is unable to post coherently with the current setup, and
> needs to change it to a solution that at a minimum includes a spell
> checker.
Art, calm down, mate. Let's go out kicking puppies or something.
First one to a hundred wins!
--
"One pen to write a list of people who ignored my cries for help and
one last camel ride to bring back childhood memories."
- Descend Here, "A Change To Your Address"
Arthur Hagen
> While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
> Arthur Hagen (a...@broomstick.com) was heard to remark...
>> Then, for the love of dog, the OP should get MS Word, or a freeware
>> spellchecker, or switch to a different news client that can do it.
>> This person is unable to post coherently with the current setup, and
>> needs to change it to a solution that at a minimum includes a spell
>> checker.
>
> Art, calm down, mate. Let's go out kicking puppies or something.
> First one to a hundred wins!
My flatty[1] pulled me off the stairs last week going after a cat[2],
and I landed on a stiff leg, crushed my knee and now I'm on crutches, so
no kicking. Can we stomp kittens instead, while whistling Sailor's
Hornpipe?
[1]: No, not flatmate. She's a flat-coated retriever.
[2]: A dog after me own heart. (Points for spotting the ref.)
Regards,
--
*Art
Matthew King
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> One thing is being dyslexic or otherwise having an impediment that can
> affect writing. Another thing is to eschew spell checkers that would
> alleviate the problems caused by the condition.
One thing is pointing out the mistakes of others and helping them
improve. Another thing is being pretentious and scaring off the fans
who don't meet your exacting standards of perfection.
> Expecting others to
> read your drivel without you making even a token effort is like people
> missing a leg insisting that strangers carry them around.
Expecting others to quietly ignore your abuse[1] is like using kittens
as a football and insisting that nobody beat you with a cluestick for
it.
> A spell
> checker would be your wheelchair, and trust me, you need one.
A swift kick up the arse would be your cluestick, and trust me you
need one.
Matthew
[1] This is not the first I've seen. A certain thread about Witches
springs immediately to mind.
--
I must take issue with the term "a mere child," for it has been my
invariable experience that the company of a mere child is infinitely
preferable to that of a mere adult.
-- Fran Lebowitz
rebecca
"Kimberley Verburg" <k...@lspace.org> wrote in message
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mark
> what on earth is oe?
Outlook Express, your "newsreader".
rebecca
sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if youre
perfect"
did you right in small print?
"Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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rebecca
unfortunatly i do have word but its an extra effert typing things in ms word
then copying n pasting the spelling mistake free emails here
im a signature/tag maker in my free time n get 2000 mails a day for requests
i cant be expeted to keep up with those and make sure everything perfect
"Diane L" <di...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
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Ed Weatherup
> diane
> unfortunatly i do have word but its an extra effert typing things in
> ms word then copying n pasting the spelling mistake free emails here
> im a signature/tag maker in my free time n get 2000 mails a day for
> requests i cant be expeted to keep up with those and make sure
> everything perfect
Three things just to indulge my curiosity ....
1. What does a signature/tag maker do?
2. What happens if you press the F7 key while writing?
3. Gjhb ju gwuh wloh, jhyrg iutgf?
--
Ed.
rebecca
if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker that
i can dowload n put on to outlook express
well i'd think about it
but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica cant be
ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
if you be nice i may even give you the url to chek out what ;) < wink wink>
to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the topics in
here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
n it is alt fan prattchet where the fans of prattchett bable on about
nothing?
i presume dont give me wrong im not critising but in one way i think im
right i might change to the prattchett book newsgroup
least then i wont bubmp into grumpy mr arthur
"Matthew King" <matthe...@monnsta.net> wrote in message
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rebecca
*slps her hand of her head n says doh*
"mark" <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote in message
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rebecca
graphics with you're name on
2. nothing happens if I press the f7 whilst typing I've tried maybes Dave
needs to configure it to work I have no idea
3. I do speak English honest
Rebecca
-x-
"Ed Weatherup" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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rebecca
1. make pretty graphic with youre name on
that basically what a tag/signature is.
2) absolutley nothing
3) i do speak english honest
rebecca
-x-
"Ed Weatherup" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Dom
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker that
> i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> well i'd think about it
> but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica cant be
> ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
Hi rebecca
Welcome to afp.
The group seems to be going through a bit of a grumpy time at the
moment, I don't know why. Don't worry about it. It'll get better
it always does.
One little bit of advice, you might notice that most of us tend to
put our reply at the bottom of the original message (bottom-posting).
Some groups prefer to do it the other way round, I don't know why.
It makes more sense to reply after the question.
As for the spell-checker, I use Outlook Express (for mail only) and
have MS Office installed and the spell checker just works. I don't
remember having to set anything special up. Sorry.
--
Dom
Alec Cawley
Rebecca...@undesclosed.com says...
> art the only person that has a problem here is you
>
> sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if youre
> perfect"
> did you right in small print?
You don't have to be perfect, but as the fan group of a very literate
writer, the group has a certain pride in being literate. There are
plenty of other newsgroups on Usenet where your approach to spelling
would be entirely acceptable - but this is not one of them. What you are
doing is like wanting to play Bach at a disco: nothing wrong with Bach,
but it is not appropriate at a disco.
You are also top posting, which is a habit which we strongly discourage.
Bottom posting, accompanied by appropriate trimming, makes it much
easier to read a busy newsgroup. With over fifty active threads at a
time, and threads drifting so that the title is rarely relevant, it is
very useful to have a summary of the point you are replying to before
your reply. And if you are replying to multiple points, it is almost
impossible to understand without proper interleaving.
You can, of course, post to a newsgroup as much as you like. But you
cannot be said to have joined it unless people read, and occasionally
reply to, what you post. If you carry on as you are doing now, this will
become very unlikely indeed.
--
@lec ©awley
http://www.livejournal.com/~randombler
Diane L
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell
> checker that i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> well i'd think about it
> but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica
> cant be ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
> if you be nice i may even give you the url to chek out what ;) < wink
> wink> to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the
> topics in here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
> n it is alt fan prattchet where the fans of prattchett bable on about
> nothing?
Alt.fan.pratchett is where fans of pratchett babble on about *everything*
> i presume dont give me wrong im not critising but in one way i think
> im right i might change to the prattchett book newsgroup
> least then i wont bubmp into grumpy mr arthur
Alt.books.pratchett is a much more tightly focussed group, in that
posts there are supposed to be relevant to Terry Pratchett or his
books. But don't assume that you won't meet the same people on
both groups. Quite a few of us frequent both groups, abp to talk
about the books and afp to talk about anything that interests us
(which can include the books, though you might not think so at
first glance).
If you want to talk about the books, it's a good idea to subscribe
to abp anyway, but that doesn't mean you can't join in threads on
here too if they interest you.
Diane L.
Diane L
> As for the spell-checker, I use Outlook Express (for mail only) and
> have MS Office installed and the spell checker just works. I don't
> remember having to set anything special up. Sorry.
I have MSword on this machine and I've just tried out OE's
spellchecker. It didn't work properly until I went into
Tools -> Options ->Spelling and unchecked the "original text in
message" option in the "always ignore" section. That might be
because I'm using Quotefix or it might be one of OE's little
idiosyncrasies.
Rebecca, it might be worth having a look at this to see whether
it works for you.
Diane L.
rebecca
rebecca
-x-
rebecca
"Dom" <dom...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> rebecca wrote:
> > thank you mathew
> >
> > if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker
that
> > i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> > well i'd think about it
> > but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica
cant be
> > ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
>
> Hi rebecca
>
> Welcome to afp.
>
> The group seems to be going through a bit of a grumpy time at the
> moment, I don't know why. Don't worry about it. It'll get better
> it always does.
>
> One little bit of advice, you might notice that most of us tend to
> put our reply at the bottom of the original message (bottom-posting).
thanks dom i'll try and bear it in mind for future refrance
i guess they might right at the top because there post is new to the one
theyve replied to?
youre guess is as good as mine
rebecca
mcv
> seems abit odd if you ask me
No no, it's the rest of the world that's odd. We're all perfectly normal.
mcv.
The Stainless Steel Cat
"rebecca" <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote:
>to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the topics in
>here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
>n it is alt fan prattchet where the fans of prattchett bable on about
>nothing?
>i presume dont give me wrong im not critising but in one way i think im
>right i might change to the prattchett book newsgroup
If you're looking for discussion of Terry's books, then alt.books.pratchett
is the right place for you. Alt.fan.pratchett is more of a meeting place
for people who have a similar cross-section of interests most of which only
touch on Discworld tangentially. We do have book related stuff here;
they're the threads with the subject lines prefixed with the [R] tag (for
Relevent). Mostly everything else is tagged [I] for Irrelevent, despite the
fact that irrelevencies are relevent for this group...
Don't run away just yet though, lurk for a while longer and see if the [I]
threads interest you. They cover such a breadth of topics, there's bound to
be something along to catch your eye any time now.
If you do post, there's one thing that will get you a few grumpy responses
(as if you haven't had enough already) and that's "top-posting". Despite
being the default option with Outlook, on USENET the preferred option is to
leave as much of the previous post as you need to give context up at the
top and add your responses at the bottom. This is better since postings
take different times to distribute themselves across everyone's servers and
responses can arrive before the original post. Bottom posting lets readers
skim through what's gone before as they scroll down to tell or remind them
what the response is in um... response to.
Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
La Rustimuna ^Stalkato
rebecca
"Alec Cawley" <al...@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
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rebecca:
what i am doing being dyslexic ?
very literate writer? i can name 2 books so far i have read wich have typo's
i dont know about any one else here but i at least know of two
what i am trying to do is make my own way as a dyslexic i will get round to
finding a way of making f7 n outlook express work even if i have to get my
other half to programme it in to outlook express
but in the mean time people like you will have to have patience n grin and
bare it till future notice
yes the whole please reply at the bottom of posts was pointed sorry i didnt
know its not exactly like i know the afp rules
as i didnt see any wich stated
1) you must always spell correctly
2) you must reply to the bottom of posts
if u can find a link to link me to them please do so!
i was just kind of throw into this afp by my other half nto nowing any of
the above
and who knows about Bach at discos it's the 21st centaury the teens these
days seem to have a strange taste in music
I mean charlotte church is doing pop now doesn't that say it all
Matthew King
rebecca wrote:
>
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker that
> i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> well i'd think about it
Um ... I understood your original post fine (well - I understood
you :-). In fact I was criticising Mr. Hagen for needlessly
criticising you.
Or maybe you got that. Personally I find a lack of grammar and
punctuation hurts the communication far more than mere spelling...
> but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica cant be
> ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
> if you be nice i may even give you the url to chek out what ;) < wink wink>
That sounds ... um ... interesting?
> to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the topics in
> here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
There is a FAQ which is posted every now and then which will inform
you about tagging posts (if not, look at afp.announce - I'm not
regular enough to know this). These tags will help you know when a
post is related to Pterry or his works.
> i presume dont give me wrong im not critising but in one way i think im
> right i might change to the prattchett book newsgroup
> least then i wont bubmp into grumpy mr arthur
The world is full of people like that. Beyond an occasional jab in the
ribs there is little that can be done about them. Don't let them
control what you do and where though or they've won at their childish
games.
Please stay and feel free to annoy everyone[1] with poor spelling. If
people can't cope that's entirely their problem.
Oh and this thing with the >'s and my response below the relevant bit
of your post is what people wean when they refer to bottom posting.
A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Matthew
[1] Everyone who's actually bothered.
rebecca
rebecca
rebecca
"mcv" <mcv...@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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rebecca:
no i read the post wrong i do apoligies to diane i thought she had writeen i
couldnt relpy to posts here if i join the apb
rebecca
"The Stainless Steel Cat" <stee...@atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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as nothing here seems to be relevant to anything whether its marked [r] or
[I]
I all seems irrelevant to me but then again I guess I was expecting
something other than what this group seems to be about
which as Diane put it is babbling about everything
I will sit and watch posts and see if something relevant to me pops up but
for now nothing seems of particular interests to me
no offence to any one reading this
Rebecca
MelodySK
"rebecca" <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote
news:dc3496$cio$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk...
> art the only person that has a problem here is you
> sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if
> youre perfect" did you right in small print?
Hi Rebecca and welcome to afp :)
Lurk a while, read a while and enjoy. You will soon get used to the way
things are in here ......
Melody
rebecca
> At Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:46:06 +0100,
> rebecca wrote:
> >
> > thank you mathew
> >
> > if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker
that
> > i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> > well i'd think about it
>
> Um ... I understood your original post fine (well - I understood
> you :-). In fact I was criticising Mr. Hagen for needlessly
> criticising you.
>
> Or maybe you got that. Personally I find a lack of grammar and
> punctuation hurts the communication far more than mere spelling...
>
> > but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica
cant be
> > ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
> > if you be nice i may even give you the url to chek out what ;) < wink
wink>
>
> That sounds ... um ... interesting?
it's diffrent haha
>
> > to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the topics in
> > here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
>
> There is a FAQ which is posted every now and then which will inform
> you about tagging posts (if not, look at afp.announce - I'm not
> regular enough to know this). These tags will help you know when a
> post is related to Pterry or his works.
>
ill keep an eye out
> > i presume dont give me wrong im not critising but in one way i think im
> > right i might change to the prattchett book newsgroup
> > least then i wont bubmp into grumpy mr arthur
>
> The world is full of people like that. Beyond an occasional jab in the
> ribs there is little that can be done about them. Don't let them
> control what you do and where though or they've won at their childish
> games.
>
trust me i met my fair share of the back in my shool days but there were
that school kids!!
> Please stay and feel free to annoy everyone[1] with poor spelling. If
> people can't cope that's entirely their problem.
>
i will stick around for a little while n see what pops up ;) ;-p
> Oh and this thing with the >'s and my response below the relevant bit
> of your post is what people wean when they refer to bottom posting.
>
> A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation.
> Q: Why is top-posting bad?
i see you point but said before in another post i didnt know how this works
untill every body jumped on me for my spelling
if before i came in my other half told me it was a bit like Mirc i would
have known what to do and what to expect
> rebecca
rebecca
"MelodySK" <melo...@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:dc3aq1$giu$1...@domitilla.aioe.org...
> i shall be lurking ha ha
> i havent heard that word in a while
rebecca
rebecca
i shall be lurking
rebecca
rebecca
rebecca
Lister
>
>
>jester wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:49:53 +1000, mark
>> <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>> <hack>
>> >No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
>>
>> Looks like I was right, and we've gone straoght from September to
>> February. 8-/
>>
>
>Shirley it is always September somewhere?
It's september everywhere, and has been since 1993 :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
--
How can I meet Kylie Minogue?
Matthew King
rebecca wrote:
> ty melody i shall be lurking
You may want to consider a different newsreader. I think this is the
6th instance of this post.
Matthew
Phil Davison
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker
> that i can dowload n put on to outlook express well
<Snip>
Not being an OE user, I'm not sure about this, but what happens if you
hit F7? I'd have thought that it should call up the "works with anything
in Windows" spellchecker.
--
Cyclops
Evil Heretic Infiltrator
Stacie Hanes
> "Alec Cawley" <al...@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d4f346c...@news.individual.net...
> In article <dc3496$cio$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> Rebecca...@undesclosed.com says...
>> art the only person that has a problem here is you
>>
>> sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups
>> "if youre perfect"
>> did you right in small print?
<snip>
> You can, of course, post to a newsgroup as much as you like. But you
> cannot be said to have joined it unless people read, and occasionally
> reply to, what you post. If you carry on as you are doing now, this
> will become very unlikely indeed
>
>
> rebecca:
> what i am doing being dyslexic ?
The first thing you should know is I'm a writing teacher, and I've written
my own pamphlet for teachers who have students with learning diabilities.
Dyslexia and dysgraphia are both learning disabilities that affect writing.
I've also spent some time recently defending newbies--just something to keep
in mind, because I'm going to say a few things that may not please you.
> very literate writer? i can name 2 books so far i have read wich have
> typo's i dont know about any one else here but i at least know of two
> what i am trying to do is make my own way as a dyslexic i will get
> round to finding a way of making f7 n outlook express work even if i
> have to get my other half to programme it in to outlook express
Typos in a book are not necessarily the writer's fault. Errors are sometimes
introduced by others.
> but in the mean time people like you will have to have patience n
> grin and bare it till future notice
>
> yes the whole please reply at the bottom of posts was pointed sorry i
> didnt know its not exactly like i know the afp rules
> as i didnt see any wich stated
> 1) you must always spell correctly
> 2) you must reply to the bottom of posts
>
> if u can find a link to link me to them please do so!
Here you go, then: http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/hello1.txt
What Alec and even Art are saying is that no one here expects perfection,
but many here don't have a lot of respect for "I can't be bothered."
Some people have greater difficulty than others in making themselves clear
in writing. People with learning disabilities simply have to put forth extra
effort if they want to participate fully; in equal opportunity settings like
college, they are entitled to "reasonable accomodations" like extra time,
note takers, and similar. Any teacher should have no problem making
himself/herself available to help students with learning disabilities.
But the quality of the work must be as high as that of the other students.
The dyslexic student might be allowed extra time to do the work, but that
time is so they get it right--the spelling, everything.
That's in a classroom. This is afp, where people don't have to read your
posts if they're not easy to read. And often, they won't. It's not a
character judgment; it's a simple fact that fewer people will read posts
with little or no capitalization or punctuation.
I'm not suggesting that you have someone proofread your posts, or that you
spend an hour slaving over each one in order to get it perfect. I *am*
suggesting that you spend *some* time thinking about each one and making an
effort toward standard English writing. My honest opinion, if a student gave
me a piece of writing such as you've posted here, would be that he or she
preferred not to try. Errors are expected, but the student is expected to
try to reduce them. At the end of the semester, a paper consisting of one
unpunctuated paragraph will get a failing grade, dyslexia or no, because
there are ways for the student to do better.
You're getting the real-world version of that.
Now here's the thing: if you wanted to improve your writing, this is an
excellent place for that. The key is that you have to treat it as important.
You can't let the puncuation and spelling slide; you have to try hard to get
them right. You'll do a lot of writing, and practice writing correctly. It
has the potential for great benefit to you as a writer.
Ever heard "practice makes perfect"? Well, I've heard better. "Perfect
practice makes perfect." It makes no sense to practice bad habits, which in
this case means typing a post and firing it off without reading over it a
couple of times.
:-( Sorry to have gone on so long, but I was trying to help.
--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
rebecca
"Lister" <misterl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ogdae1hsurqgpf121...@4ax.com...
> On 25 Jul 2005 03:43:29 -0700, "goblin" <gob...@inorbit.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >jester wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:49:53 +1000, mark
> >> <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> >> <hack>
> >> >No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
> >>
> >> Looks like I was right, and we've gone straoght from September to
> >> February. 8-/
> >>
> >
> >Shirley it is always September somewhere?
>
>
>
> It's september everywhere, and has been since 1993 :)
think about it ;)
elfin
many many times :-)
I am going to guess that you haven't received a welcome email, so you
might want to have a look at:
http://www.lspace.org/fandom/afp/welcome.html
which is usually sent out to evry new person on afp.
L-Space web has many things that you might find interesting, and
apologies if you said you'd already been there..I wasn't paying attention!
Top posting on afp is considered rude, but isn't the ends of the
earth. Bad spelling, or gammar, is considered by some to be the ends
of the earth, when clearly it isn't. Jumping on newbies is considered
acceptable by some, but to the majority it isn't.
welcome!
:-)
elfin
rebecca
"Phil Davison" <ph...@cyclops.force9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.07.25....@cyclops.force9.co.uk...
someone asked me this befoe n the awnser was nothing but diane sent a useful
post wich was about getting my f7 to work n it worked :D
so i have no excuse
unless i really want to annoy people n to be honest i do enopugh of that by
being a teenager
rebecca
> At Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:52:09 +0100,
> rebecca wrote:
> > ty melody i shall be lurking
>
> You may want to consider a different newsreader. I think this is the
> 6th instance of this post.
>
> Matthew
>
talk" happens to be of this centuary "the ecntuary of the fruit bat"
ha ha sorry for the qoute
or as us english know it "the 21st centuary"
iIdo english as i believe chienese people name theres something else
allthough dont qoute me on it because i dont know for sure
Rebecca
rebecca
"elfin" <el...@lspace.org> wrote in message
news:dc3l1v$t4o$1...@groundhog.korenwolf.net...
people have sort of told me about top posting and bad spelling
> I really wish i didnt have to be grammer correct to spelling coreectly is
giving me a brain ache never mind grammer :s
>i must say i hate padantic people!
i tottaly agree with you
& thanks
rebecca
rebecca
"Stacie Hanes" <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:RXbFe.8180$dU3...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> rebecca wrote:
> > "Alec Cawley" <al...@spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1d4f346c...@news.individual.net...
> > In article <dc3496$cio$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> > Rebecca...@undesclosed.com says...
> >> art the only person that has a problem here is you
> >>
> >> sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups
> >> "if youre perfect"
> >> did you right in small print?
>
> <snip>
>
> > You can, of course, post to a newsgroup as much as you like. But you
> > cannot be said to have joined it unless people read, and occasionally
> > reply to, what you post. If you carry on as you are doing now, this
> > will become very unlikely indeed
> >
> >
> > rebecca:
> > what i am doing being dyslexic ?
>
> The first thing you should know is I'm a writing teacher, and I've written
> my own pamphlet for teachers who have students with learning diabilities.
> Dyslexia and dysgraphia are both learning disabilities that affect
writing.
i just see myself as unable to spell.
> I've also spent some time recently defending newbies--just something to
keep
> in mind, because I'm going to say a few things that may not please you.
>
> > very literate writer? i can name 2 books so far i have read wich have
> > typo's i dont know about any one else here but i at least know of two
> > what i am trying to do is make my own way as a dyslexic i will get
> > round to finding a way of making f7 n outlook express work even if i
> > have to get my other half to programme it in to outlook express
>
> Typos in a book are not necessarily the writer's fault. Errors are
sometimes
> introduced by others.
<rebecca> ok i see youre point but arent the books scanned and printed i
mean i dont think people would have time to indivadually print them but im
just taking a wild stab in the dark here
>
> > but in the mean time people like you will have to have patience n
> > grin and bare it till future notice
> >
> > yes the whole please reply at the bottom of posts was pointed sorry i
> > didnt know its not exactly like i know the afp rules
> > as i didnt see any wich stated
> > 1) you must always spell correctly
> > 2) you must reply to the bottom of posts
> >
> >
>
> Here you go, then: http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/hello1.txt
>
<rebecca:> yes some one has linked me to it i have it bookmarked so ty to
all :)
> What Alec and even Art are saying is that no one here expects perfection,
> but many here don't have a lot of respect for "I can't be bothered."
<rebecca:> its not that I can't be bothered I just believe maybees some
people should see it my way for a day before demading I should go n try
spell everything properally
>
> Some people have greater difficulty than others in making themselves clear
> in writing. People with learning disabilities simply have to put forth
extra
> effort if they want to participate fully; in equal opportunity settings
like
> college, they are entitled to "reasonable accomodations" like extra time,
> note takers, and similar. Any teacher should have no problem making
> himself/herself available to help students with learning disabilities.
<rebecca> yes I know but why do I care?
> But the quality of the work must be as high as that of the other students.
> The dyslexic student might be allowed extra time to do the work, but that
> time is so they get it right--the spelling, everything.
<rebecca> yesI know this but yet again why do I care I left school 2 years
ago
> That's in a classroom. This is afp, where people don't have to read your
> posts if they're not easy to read. And often, they won't. It's not a
> character judgment; it's a simple fact that fewer people will read posts
> with little or no capitalization or punctuation.
< rebecca> i don't even know grammer so what on earth is punctuation?
> I'm not suggesting that you have someone proofread your posts, or that you
> spend an hour slaving over each one in order to get it perfect. I *am*
> suggesting that you spend *some* time thinking about each one and making
an
> effort toward standard English writing. My honest opinion, if a student
gave
> me a piece of writing such as you've posted here, would be that he or she
> preferred not to try. Errors are expected, but the student is expected to
> try to reduce them. At the end of the semester, a paper consisting of one
> unpunctuated paragraph will get a failing grade, dyslexia or no, because
> there are ways for the student to do better.
<rebecca> big news for you im no student!!! dont intend to be, was but dont
intend to go there again!!!
<plus if you read the post you'd find out someone has told me how to make my
f7 work
> You're getting the real-world version of that.
>
> Now here's the thing: if you wanted to improve your writing, this is an
> excellent place for that. The key is that you have to treat it as
important.
> You can't let the puncuation and spelling slide; you have to try hard to
get
> them right. You'll do a lot of writing, and practice writing correctly. It
> has the potential for great benefit to you as a writer.
<rebecca> what on earth on hell is punctation ?
<rebecca> yes as you can see i missed a large part of school & no i really
dont know what punctuation is but no im blonde just for refrance
> Ever heard "practice makes perfect"? Well, I've heard better. "Perfect
> practice makes perfect." It makes no sense to practice bad habits, which
in
<rebecca> I like bad habits
<rebecca> define perfect
> this case means typing a post and firing it off without reading over it a
> couple of times.
>
> :-( Sorry to have gone on so long, but I was trying to help.
>
> seems hard to believe when you seem to be critising me but hey I've had a
life full of it I suppose I'll get it some more I aint gonna cry about it
its kind of what I expect
Jenny Delaney
> art the only person that has a problem here is you
>
> sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if youre
> perfect"
> did you right in small print?
Four things I would strongly suggest:
1. Capitalise correctly. There's only one person I know of on afp who's
allowed to lower-case everything and that person is a very special case
who has been around for donkeys' years. [1] Also, try to punctuate
correctly - it makes a huge difference in legibility.
2. Remember to trim the post that you are replying to and post your
answer at the bottom. This makes it much easier to read.
3. Don't join in any grammar or spelling threads. Seeing as how you seem
to be very badly affected by dyslexia, you're just throwing yourself
open to attack.
4. Read the FAQ on lspace, which elfin has already directed you towards.
Jenny
[1] Is the donkey singular or plural, anyone know? I prefer plural,
since ppint has almost certainly outlasted most donkeys on afp.
Stacie Hanes
Feel free to disagree, but dyslexia is a leanring disability.
>> I've also spent some time recently defending newbies--just something
>> to keep in mind, because I'm going to say a few things that may not
>> please you.
>>
>>> very literate writer? i can name 2 books so far i have read wich
>>> have typo's i dont know about any one else here but i at least know
>>> of two what i am trying to do is make my own way as a dyslexic i
>>> will get round to finding a way of making f7 n outlook express work
>>> even if i have to get my other half to programme it in to outlook
>>> express
>>
>> Typos in a book are not necessarily the writer's fault. Errors are
>> sometimes introduced by others.
> <rebecca> ok i see youre point but arent the books scanned and
> printed i mean i dont think people would have time to indivadually
> print them but im just taking a wild stab in the dark here
It can happen a variety of ways. I don't know how these particular books are
produced, but at any rate, typos aren't a literacy issue.
>>> but in the mean time people like you will have to have patience n
>>> grin and bare it till future notice
>>>
>>> yes the whole please reply at the bottom of posts was pointed sorry
>>> i didnt know its not exactly like i know the afp rules
>>> as i didnt see any wich stated
>>> 1) you must always spell correctly
>>> 2) you must reply to the bottom of posts
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Here you go, then: http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/afp/hello1.txt
>>
> <rebecca:> yes some one has linked me to it i have it bookmarked so
> ty to all :)
>
>> What Alec and even Art are saying is that no one here expects
>> perfection, but many here don't have a lot of respect for "I can't
>> be bothered."
> <rebecca:> its not that I can't be bothered I just believe maybees
> some people should see it my way for a day before demading I should
> go n try spell everything properally
What way? How would you like it seen? We're reading your posts. That's the
"seeing it your way." We haven't given up the idea of reading and exchanging
ideas with you. Now, if you meet that with no addtional effort, then it
looks like you can't be bothered.
>> Some people have greater difficulty than others in making themselves
>> clear in writing. People with learning disabilities simply have to
>> put forth extra effort if they want to participate fully; in equal
>> opportunity settings like college, they are entitled to "reasonable
>> accomodations" like extra time, note takers, and similar. Any
>> teacher should have no problem making himself/herself available to
>> help students with learning disabilities.
> <rebecca> yes I know but why do I care?
Why wouldn't you care? It's evidence that people know it's a real issue, and
that people with dyslexia are not just being deliberate pains.
>> But the quality of the work must be as high as that of the other
>> students. The dyslexic student might be allowed extra time to do the
>> work, but that time is so they get it right--the spelling,
>> everything.
> <rebecca> yesI know this but yet again why do I care I left school 2
> years ago
Again, why wouldn't you care? You're in the real world now. It means that
you need to be putting forth that effort if you want any sort of career,
job, whatever that involves communicating in writing.
Did you stop learning when you left school?
>> That's in a classroom. This is afp, where people don't have to read
>> your posts if they're not easy to read. And often, they won't. It's
>> not a character judgment; it's a simple fact that fewer people will
>> read posts with little or no capitalization or punctuation.
> < rebecca> i don't even know grammer so what on earth is punctuation?
Are you serious? No, really. You don't know that the word "punctuation"
means?
>> I'm not suggesting that you have someone proofread your posts, or
>> that you spend an hour slaving over each one in order to get it
>> perfect. I *am* suggesting that you spend *some* time thinking about
>> each one and making an effort toward standard English writing. My
>> honest opinion, if a student gave me a piece of writing such as
>> you've posted here, would be that he or she preferred not to try.
>> Errors are expected, but the student is expected to try to reduce
>> them. At the end of the semester, a paper consisting of one
>> unpunctuated paragraph will get a failing grade, dyslexia or no,
>> because there are ways for the student to do better.
> <rebecca> big news for you im no student!!! dont intend to be, was
> but dont intend to go there again!!!
I never thought you were. I just hadn't realized you'd taken a vow to stop
all that goshdarn learning and never improve your skills for any reason.
> <plus if you read the post you'd find out someone has told me how to
> make my f7 work
I did read the post. Why do you think I bothered to write all that?
>> You're getting the real-world version of that.
>>
>> Now here's the thing: if you wanted to improve your writing, this is
>> an excellent place for that. The key is that you have to treat it as
>> important. You can't let the puncuation and spelling slide; you have
>> to try hard to get them right. You'll do a lot of writing, and
>> practice writing correctly. It has the potential for great benefit
>> to you as a writer.
> <rebecca> what on earth on hell is punctation ?
> <rebecca> yes as you can see i missed a large part of school & no i
> really dont know what punctuation is but no im blonde just for
> refrance
Okay, you *were* serious. Punctuation is periods, question marks, commas,
etc.
. , ; ? ! "
>> Ever heard "practice makes perfect"? Well, I've heard better.
>> "Perfect practice makes perfect." It makes no sense to practice bad
>> habits, which
> in
> <rebecca> I like bad habits
> <rebecca> define perfect
Well, it's your life, and your conversation with afp, for that matter.
>> this case means typing a post and firing it off without reading over
>> it a couple of times.
>>
>> :-( Sorry to have gone on so long, but I was trying to help.
>>
>> seems hard to believe when you seem to be critising me but hey I've
>> had a
> life full of it I suppose I'll get it some more I aint gonna cry
> about it its kind of what I expect
It's not a criticism. I don't think learning ends when you leave school,
that's all. It happens that my job is teaching people to write, especially
people with dyslexia and other issues, and I thought a one-shot overview
might be of interest to you.
I get it. You're not interested, which is fine.
rebecca
"Jenny Delaney" <clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:VzcFe.190404$Vo6....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> rebecca wrote:
> > art the only person that has a problem here is you
> >
> > sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if
youre
> > perfect"
> > did you right in small print?
>
> Four things I would strongly suggest:
>
> 1. Capitalise correctly. There's only one person I know of on afp who's
> allowed to lower-case everything and that person is a very special case
> who has been around for donkeys' years. [1] Also, try to punctuate
> correctly - it makes a huge difference in legibility.
>
> 2. Remember to trim the post that you are replying to and post your
> answer at the bottom. This makes it much easier to read.
>
> 3. Don't join in any grammar or spelling threads. Seeing as how you seem
> to be very badly affected by dyslexia, you're just throwing yourself
> open to attack.
>
> 4. Read the FAQ on lspace, which elfin has already directed you towards.
>
> Jenny
Jenny Delaney
>>>how about NO!!!!
How about *plonk*?
Because that's a sound you're going to be hearing very shortly from an
awful lot of people if you don't actually pay attention to friendly advice.
Jenny
MelodySK
"rebecca" <Rebecca...@undesclosed.com> wrote in
news:dc3c1n$g3$2$830f...@news.demon.co.uk...
> ty melody
> i shall be lurking
(Don't think it warrented 6 replies Rebecca *g*)
Melody
Alec Cawley
clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> donkeys' years. [1]
> [1] Is the donkey singular or plural, anyone know? I prefer plural,
> since ppint has almost certainly outlasted most donkeys on afp.
Singular, and possessive, since it is really donkey's ears, which are
known to be very long.
--
@lec ©awley
http://www.livejournal.com/~randombler
Alec Cawley
clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk says...
Precisely. And she is the first person I have ever plonked on afp,
despite considerable provocation. BTW, it may be necessary for someone
else to explain to her what the term means.
jester
<house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <rebecca> yesI know this but yet again why do I care I left school 2
>> years ago
>
>Again, why wouldn't you care? You're in the real world now. It means that
>you need to be putting forth that effort if you want any sort of career,
>job, whatever that involves communicating in writing.
If she doesn't care, why should we?
>
>Did you stop learning when you left school?
I think she did.
<snip>
>> < rebecca> i don't even know grammer so what on earth is punctuation?
>
>Are you serious? No, really. You don't know that the word "punctuation"
>means?
I would have called troll at this point, except I'd already given up.
>Well, it's your life, and your conversation with afp, for that matter.
I suspect not with a large chunk of afp, especially as we seem to be
having this year's prickly patch rather late in the year.
--
Andy Brown
"We all agree that your theory is crazy, but is it crazy enough?"
- Niels Bohr (1885-1962)
Julia Jones
Delaney <clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
After a large threadful of this, I'm not entirely convinced it isn't a
troll. Either way, I've decided that the illegible posts take far too
much effort to read for the value of the content I find, especially when
it's accompanied by that sort of FU attitude...
Meandering off at a slight tangent, and resurrecting an old and smelly
thread from a month or two back, one of the things I really, really
dislike about blogs and other html-based fora is the lack of a decent
killfile on most. It can be done - slashdot seems to have a functioning
one. But in general there is either no such facility at all, or it's
only available to the owner of the blog. At least on usenet I have a
sporting chance of tweaking the signal/noise ratio to suit my tastes.
Though I'm still not willing to gird my lions for the festering pit that
is rec.arts.drwho :-)
--
Julia Jones
Just out from Loose Id: Spindrift
Richard finds the truth in legend, when he finds a silkie bereft of
his skin and in need of a home... http://www.loose-id.com/detail.aspx?ID=190
rebecca
Carol Hague
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker that
> i can dowload n put on to outlook express
> well i'd think about it
> but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica cant be
> ignored n people let me get own with what im good at
The point is that people post to Usenet in order to be read by other
people.
The harder it is to read and make sense of your posts, the fewer people
will bother to do it. I don't mean to be unkind here, it's just how
things work.
No one expects perfection - we all make typos and get stuff wrong from
time to time. And most folk will make allowances if they know you're
dyslexic, but if your posts are virtually incomprehensible then very few
people will read them.
Arthur was, however, excessively rude in his response to your first
post. He's been teetering on the brink of my killfile for some time now
and it won't take much more to send him over the edge to be nibbled by
furious kittens.
--
Carol
"Anybody remotely interesting is mad, in some way or another."
-The Doctor, Doctor Who
rebecca
--
@lec Šawley
http://www.livejournal.com/~randombler
who cares its on afp not in irl
if you even now what i mean
Orjan Westin
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:21:25 GMT, Stacie Hanes
>> Well, it's your life, and your conversation with afp, for that
>> matter.
>
> I suspect not with a large chunk of afp, especially as we seem to be
> having this year's prickly patch rather late in the year.
Wasn't Febryary this year unusually cold? And then there was that patch of
no posts. Stands to reason it comes now, really. It's either too hot so
you get short-tempered (okay, you can add an "er" on that if you provide a
reference for it), too cold so you need flames, too rainy and overcast so
you get depressed and as everybody knows, misery loves company, and people
are either stressing up about going to CCDE or about not going.
<takes out a pipe>
Now, anybody got a match?
Orjan
--
Get your Tale paperback or CD here:
http://tale.cunobaros.com
Or just read it there, if you don't want the illustrations
Ross
<GOcFe.14181$dN6....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:
I reckon that what we have here is an immature teenager having a
tantrum.
Friendly advice is pointless; she's too busy convincing herself that
the world is against her because it won't give her the living it owes
her. <sigh>
--
Ross, Lincoln, UK
We're *not* afraid
http://www.werenotafraid.com
rebecca
"jester" <use...@jester.nu> wrote in message
news:slrndeanc5...@angel.jester.nu...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:21:25 GMT, Stacie Hanes
> <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> <rebecca> yesI know this but yet again why do I care I left school 2
> >> years ago
> >
> >Again, why wouldn't you care? You're in the real world now. It means that
> >you need to be putting forth that effort if you want any sort of career,
> >job, whatever that involves communicating in writing.
plus I do tag/signatures
yes what these are is in one of my posts somewhere n only requires me to
spell name
I thicnk even I can manage that!
> If she doesn't care, why should we?
>
> >
> >Did you stop learning when you left school?
>
make me a student thank god!
>
> <snip>
> >> < rebecca> i don't even know grammer so what on earth is punctuation?
> >
> >Are you serious? No, really. You don't know that the word "punctuation"
> >means?
> I would have called troll at this point, except I'd already given up.
> >Well, it's your life, and your conversation with afp, for that matter.
> I suspect not with a large chunk of afp, especially as we seem to be
> having this year's prickly patch rather late in the year.
shall just be sitting here lurking as i do!
Ross
<dc3k34$dub$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> "Stacie Hanes" <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RXbFe.8180$dU3...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > You can, of course, post to a newsgroup as much as you like. But you
> > > cannot be said to have joined it unless people read, and occasionally
> > > reply to, what you post. If you carry on as you are doing now, this
> > > will become very unlikely indeed
> <rebecca:> its not that I can't be bothered I just believe maybees some
> people should see it my way for a day before demading I should go n try
> spell everything properally
> ago
> intend to go there again!!!
> > how about NO!!!!
Stacie has tried to give you some damn good advice. It's a good idea
to at least read it rather than dismissing it out of hand. Jennifer
has asked you politely to try to make life easier on your readers.
I'm not Stacie, nor am I Jennifer, so I'm not going to bother being
polite or helpful.
The short version is this: you post messages to this (or any other)
newsgroup because you want them to be read, and therefore it's up to
you to make them readable. It's not up to us to try to understand you,
and that's what life is like in the big, bad world. Whether you like
it or not - we really don't give a damn if you do stamp your feet or
scream (or swear).
To put it another way. If a new girl was to come into your area and
wanted to be one of your mates, you would expect her to fit into your
way of doing things, and if she wouldn't do that, she'd be out on her
ear.
Same applies here: you want to join us, you make an effort to fit in.
Telling us you don't care and whining because we won't make life
extra-easy for you will get you the same response as you'd give that
girl: you'll be told to sling your hook.
Of course, if you're happy to spend the rest of your life being
ignored and complaining because people won't make the effort to
understand you, carry on as you are.
Oh, and one final comment: if you think we're being nasty to you here,
I strongly recommend that you don't post to any other [non-teenage]
newsgroups. By Usenet standards this group is *nice*; you'll receive
short shrift elsewhere.
Orjan Westin
>
> Arthur was, however, excessively rude in his response to your first
> post. He's been teetering on the brink of my killfile for some time
> now and it won't take much more to send him over the edge to be
> nibbled by furious kittens.
You have kittens in your killfile?
Does RSPCA know about this?
rebecca
it the less im gonna bother
trying to spell oin the first or at least hitting f7 to double check!
i hate to be bugged about hings that what my parents are far i dont need to
hear it from you save it for when im not here during the hours of 5am -1pm
cos im awake every other darned hour!
.
rebecca
"MelodySK" <melo...@f2s.com> wrote in message
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>never did like crappy windows stuff in the first place
> im getting my other hjalf to teach me linux :)
rebecca
"Carol Hague" <ca...@wrhpv.com> wrote in message
news:1h0a2ky.xupuok1mc0s92N%ca...@wrhpv.com...
anything but diane has found me a way to f7 in outlook epress
rebecca
"Ross" <junk...@ross-mail.me.uk> wrote in message
news:bsoae1hbuein7uoea...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:27:02 GMT, Jenny Delaney wrote in
> <GOcFe.14181$dN6....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, seen in
> alt.fan.pratchett:
> > rebecca wrote:
> >
> > >>>how about NO!!!!
> >
> > How about *plonk*?
> >
> > Because that's a sound you're going to be hearing very shortly from an
> > awful lot of people if you don't actually pay attention to friendly
advice.
>
> I reckon that what we have here is an immature teenager having a
> tantrum.
achild ood my parents saw to that ive alwals had to be the grown up in my
family but the more people harass me about this the more im delibartley not
going to spell check sort of my teenage act of defaince if you like
>
> Friendly advice is pointless; she's too busy convincing herself that
> the world is against her because it won't give her the living it owes
> her. <sigh>
they treat me and so i've been treated like
a) A kid who cant spell
b) an immature person
&
c) like a young kid in school no wonder i dont want to get my f7 fixed
Eric Jarvis
> rebecca wrote:
> > art the only person that has a problem here is you
> >
> > sorry i didnt see the notice wich said u can only join newsgroups "if youre
> > perfect"
> > did you right in small print?
>
> Four things I would strongly suggest:
>
> 1. Capitalise correctly. There's only one person I know of on afp who's
> allowed to lower-case everything and that person is a very special case
> who has been around for donkeys' years. [1] Also, try to punctuate
> correctly - it makes a huge difference in legibility.
>
Ho hum. I guess I should stick my oar in at this point, as I used to
seemingly get away with unconventional grammar and formatting. The key
things are care and precision. However you post most people will be
tolerant so long as you consistently show care, precision, consistency and
concern for the convenience of others. Get those right first. For the vast
majority of people that will mean using the language in the way most
people expect. To do anything else requires doing it well enough to make
it worth people reading and that is NOT easy.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Michael J. Schülke
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a spell checker that
> i can dowload n put on to outlook express
It may be my sleepy state ATM, but it seems to me that it makes more
sense the other way around: get a spell checker (and fix some other
things), and people will stop criticising you.
(They will probably stop criticising you soon, anyway. But if you don't
change things, they'll stop criticising because they've stopped reading
your posts.)
> well i'd think about it
> but to be honest i dont just see why little things like my dyslexica cant be
> ignored
It can be, quite easily. In my newsreader, it's a right click, followed
by "Add Author to Bozo Bin".
The point is, though, that your unorthodox spelling makes your posts
harder to read, and there are more than enough interesting posts in afp
already. The easiest way to deal with them is not to decipher them, but
to ignore them.
The same goes for a lot of other things that have nothing to do with
your dyslexia: top posting, seemingly random use of quote marks
(sometimes you use them, sometimes you don't, sometimes you put them in
front of your own lines), replying to one post multiple times with
essentially the same contents, and following up to one post with a reply
for a totally different post.
> to be honest i porbably joined the worng group ne ways cos the topics in
> here dont seem to bare any relvance to prattchet
Look out for threads tagged [R]elevant; I tagged this thread [I]for
irrelevant (to Terry Pratchett and his writings, that is).
> n it is alt fan prattchet where the fans of prattchett bable on about
> nothing?
Anything at all and nothing in particular, although beer, chocolate and
cats seem to be popular. BTW, we haven't had a bra thread for quite some
time.
Michael
rebecca
"Eric Jarvis" <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d4f777fa...@news.dircon.co.uk...
ABOUT IT.*
yes ive put this in caps cos this is the 50th time I've had to point it out
rebecca
get the drift>
> I'm not Stacie, nor am I Jennifer, so I'm not going to bother being
> polite or helpful.
call it help i dont want to hear about it!>
> The short version is this: you post messages to this (or any other)
> newsgroup because you want them to be read, and therefore it's up to
> you to make them readable. It's not up to us to try to understand you,
> and that's what life is like in the big, bad world. Whether you like
> it or not - we really don't give a damn if you do stamp your feet or
> scream (or swear).
want to sit and watch the group to see if i like it be cause so far it
doesnt bare relvance to me>
> To put it another way. If a new girl was to come into your area and
> wanted to be one of your mates, you would expect her to fit into your
> way of doing things, and if she wouldn't do that, she'd be out on her
> ear.
> Same applies here: you want to join us, you make an effort to fit in.
> Telling us you don't care and whining because we won't make life
> extra-easy for you will get you the same response as you'd give that
> girl: you'll be told to sling your hook.
spell>
> Of course, if you're happy to spend the rest of your life being
> ignored and complaining because people won't make the effort to
> understand you, carry on as you are.
>
> Oh, and one final comment: if you think we're being nasty to you here,
> I strongly recommend that you don't post to any other [non-teenage]
> newsgroups. By Usenet standards this group is *nice*; you'll receive
short shrift elsewhere.
>
> im actually lot more mature than the average teenager most my friends <
who are over 30> can verify this
> <so could my other half but he didnt se ethe point in this group so left
for apb>
<i'll recieve a what?>
jester
<nos...@cunobaros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Now, anybody got a match?
How about you and Ingvar?
Or are we allowing Swedes to go around not looking like each other now?
--
Andy Brown
God does not play dice with the Universe. -- Albert Einstein.
Stacie Hanes
> i hate to be bugged about hings that what my parents are far i dont
> need to hear it from you save it for when im not here during the
> hours of 5am -1pm cos im awake every other darned hour!
Honey, let's just killfile each other now. It'll save time.
You're using OE, so highlight the message, then click on "message" on the
menu bar and select "block sender." You'll be asked whether you want to get
rid of all my other posts; I suggest that you say "yes" in order to get rid
of the ones where I offer unwanted advice.
Eric Jarvis
<dc3q0a$5nn$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>
> "Eric Jarvis" <w...@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d4f777fa...@news.dircon.co.uk...
> > Jenny Delaney clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
> > > >
> >
> > Ho hum. I guess I should stick my oar in at this point, as I used to
> > seemingly get away with unconventional grammar and formatting. The key
> > things are care and precision. However you post most people will be
> > tolerant so long as you consistently show care, precision, consistency and
> > concern for the convenience of others. Get those right first. For the vast
> > majority of people that will mean using the language in the way most
> > people expect. To do anything else requires doing it well enough to make
> > it worth people reading and that is NOT easy.
>
> ABOUT IT.*
> yes ive put this in caps cos this is the 50th time I've had to point it out
>
What I'm saying is that it's something you just have to do. Do it your own
way, but people will quickly recognise whether or not you are putting the
requisite amount of care into each post.
Usenet is big. Time is short. I'm currently subscribed to six newsgroups
(down from a peak of eleven) and have just gone through around 800 posts
between them. I haven't read them all. I have picked out posts by people I
usually think are worth reading posts by, subjects I'm particularly
interested in, and posts in reply to posts of my own. In order to have
your posts read you'll have to compete with the other hundreds of posts
for attention. That means having something to offer AND being easy to
read.
Now I'm not a grammar pedant. I'd like to be, but my knowledge of grammar
is far too weak. I'm not generally pedantic about how a post should be
formatted either. However I try to make each post I do as craftsmanlike as
possible. It's all part of communicating. It isn't just a matter of having
something to say, it's also important how you say it. You have to decide
how you want your post to appear. That takes the place of all the body
language and a lot of the emotional subtext that happens in face to face
communication.
What matters is that you show the reader that you have made the effort to
make it easy for them to read. It doesn't matter how you do that. It does
matter that they see the effort being made. Many people use the analogy of
a crowded party to describe Usenet. At the moment you are doing the
equivalent of staying where you are and shouting across the room to
people. Usually a really good Usenet post reads as if the poster has
walked over to you and spoken just loudly enough to be heard clearly.
Partly that's done by removing all the extraneous quoted material, leaving
only the things being directly replied to. Partly that's done by making
sure it's easy to read in and of itself. It takes practise.
I would suggest "walking away" from this thread rather than worrying about
replying to each and every post, and continuing to contribute elsewhere in
the newsgroup whilst practising how to make each post as good as it can
possibly be.
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"I am a man of many parts,
unfortunately most are no longer in stock"
Stacie Hanes
You know, I nearly did. And now I am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk
Here's a definition of "plonk."
I haven't killfiled her yet because I have a morbid curiosity about the next
round, but it's only a matter of time.
Maaike
>
> "Ross" <junk...@ross-mail.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:hpoae1hoa8qrtvj4c...@4ax.com...
>> Same applies here: you want to join us, you make an effort to fit in.
>> Telling us you don't care and whining because we won't make life
>> extra-easy for you will get you the same response as you'd give that
>> girl: you'll be told to sling your hook.
> < im just telling you to stop spitting out youre dummy over the fact i
> cant spell>
No-one's calling you stupid for not being able to spell. We're calling you
stupid for not bothering to learn and for getting whiney and aggressive
towards those who have tried to help.
Congratulations! I've spent years on usenet, and you're the first person
ever to land in my killfile.
-Maaike
Arthur Hagen
> eric i have said *I WILL PUT IN THE TIME & EFFORT IF PEOPLE STOPP
> BUGGING ME ABOUT IT.*
> yes ive put this in caps cos this is the 50th time I've had to point
> it out
And you're lying. You will do no such thing. We *will* stop bugging
you sooner than you think, if nothing else because most people will have
killfiled you. But we will *not* start seeing posts from you where you
put time and effort into making them even average quality. You're a
liar. I'd love to see you prove me wrong, but I bet you won't.
No regards,
--
*Art
Thomas Zahr
> thank you mathew
>
> if people stop critising me unlike you i may even find a
> spell checker that i can dowload n put on to outlook
> express well i'd think about it
> ...
Methinks you don't understand. IMHO Matthew was criticizing
the tone and not neccessarily the content. Apart from the
point that Art was not the only one making you aware that:
* only semi correct spelling will make you read, your
spelling is
just too much work to bother
* top posting, snipping and correct quoting and attributions
are very much encouraged to make the group readable
If you want to be read, and if you want people to communicate
with you, you do more than just think about putting a
spellchecker on your newsreader.
Have you really thought through the veiled insult to the
group you put in by saying you have too much to do to care
about being readable? We got by quite nicely before you
arrived, I'm sure if we all pull together, we'll be able to
do so again.
Btw. Moving to APB will not change any of the above. Though I'm
unsure if Art is posting there at present, there is a lot of
cross membership.
... Art and Matthew snipped
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<what a waste>
Thomas Zahr
>
>
> jester wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:49:53 +1000, mark
>> <m.gal...@student.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
>> <hack>
>>> No need to abuse a newbie, as Andy said to the bishop.
>>
>> Looks like I was right, and we've gone straoght from
>> September to February. 8-/
>>
>
> Shirley it is always September somewhere?
>
I'm still stuck in July, my does time fly
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<I'm feeling so tired, all of a sudden>
Matthew King
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> ... some shit designed to antagonise
You're not very nice are you?
"I'd love to see you prove me wrong, but I bet you won't."
Matthew
--
I must take issue with the term "a mere child," for it has been my
invariable experience that the company of a mere child is infinitely
preferable to that of a mere adult.
-- Fran Lebowitz
Carol Hague
> Carol Hague wrote:
> >
> > Arthur was, however, excessively rude in his response to your first
> > post. He's been teetering on the brink of my killfile for some time
> > now and it won't take much more to send him over the edge to be
> > nibbled by furious kittens.
>
> You have kittens in your killfile?
Well, we *call* 'em kittens.... <grin>
> Does RSPCA know about this?
The Rude Society for the Purpose of Cruelty to Arthur?
Diane L
<snip>
> I would suggest "walking away" from this thread rather than worrying
> about replying to each and every post, and continuing to contribute
> elsewhere in the newsgroup whilst practising how to make each post as
> good as it can possibly be.
I think that's good advice for everyone. We've seen this before, a newbie
comes in, makes a mistake and gets some helpful advice [1]. Unfortunately,
when fifteen people are telling you you have to change or else, it doesn't
*feel* like helpful advice. It feels like being mobbed. So the newbie
retaliates, leading to more people joining in and making the poor newbie
feel even more beleaguered.
That's how it always starts. Then later there's shouting and plonking.
So maybe we should *all* just cool it, stop making Rebecca feel like the
whole group is out to get her and give her a chance to get to know what
afp is like when it's not focussed on her [2].
Diane L.
[1] I do believe Art's advice was meant to be helpful. It's just a pity
it came over as so condescending.
[2] I'm sorry. I seem to have used the words 'afp' and 'focussed' in
the same sentence.
Lady Kayla
[...]
>i must say i hate padantic people!
Oh dear, you're in for some fun here then. "Pedants R Us" tends to be the
atmosphere a little over half the time. Of course "Grumpy Old Farts R Us"
fills in a lot of time as well.
I'm mildly flabbergasted that none of the people jumping up and down about
spelling, grammar and formatting have actually bothered to add the tag to
the subject :)
Welcome, Rebecca, I hope you can find the tools you need to create posts
that are more easily readable - it may seem harsh but it is a fact of life
that if what you write isn't easy to read, most people will just assume
that it is rubbish and skip over it - this applies whether the problem is
dyslexia, poor handwriting (yes, this applies to the real world as well as
usenet) or simple laziness. I speak as someone who has truly atrocious
handwriting and who has suffered the consequences in the past.
Good luck.
--
Lady Kayla Designs
http://designs.ladykayla.org/
mark
rebecca (Rebecca...@undesclosed.com) was heard to remark...
> > On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:21:25 GMT, Stacie Hanes
> > <house_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> <rebecca> yesI know this but yet again why do I care I left school 2
> > >> years ago
> > >
> > >Again, why wouldn't you care? You're in the real world now. It means that
> > >you need to be putting forth that effort if you want any sort of career,
> > >job, whatever that involves communicating in writing.
> <rebecca> im fat ugly who'd want to emp;oy me any ways?
I think I speak for every fat and ugly person on this group when I say:
stop harshing my mellow, man! You're depressing me.
(Only been a week since sending me applications in, but I'm already
getting jumpy ...)
--
"The [New York] Times is not a bad little newspaper in some ways. But
when it comes to things like egg balancing, it is out of its depth."
- Cecil Adams, /More of the Straight Dope/
mark
> Alec Cawley wrote:
> > In article <GOcFe.14181$dN6....@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> > clanw...@blueyonder.co.uk says...
> >>
> >> Because that's a sound you're going to be hearing very shortly from
> >> an awful lot of people if you don't actually pay attention to
> >> friendly advice.
> >
> > Precisely. And she is the first person I have ever plonked on afp,
> > despite considerable provocation. BTW, it may be necessary for someone
> > else to explain to her what the term means.
>
> You know, I nearly did. And now I am:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk
>
> Here's a definition of "plonk."
>
> I haven't killfiled her yet because I have a morbid curiosity about the next
> round, but it's only a matter of time.
I wished I remembered more of whatsisname's post. You *know*, mumble!
Ray, wasn't it? Apologies to Ray for forgetting your name. If your
name isn't Ray, then apologies to $Name for thinking your name was "Ray
$Lastname".
mark
Jarvis (w...@ericjarvis.co.uk) was heard to remark...
> Now I'm not a grammar pedant. I'd like to be, but my knowledge of grammar
> is far too weak. I'm not generally pedantic about how a post should be
> formatted either.
ITYM "I'm not usually pedantic about how a post should be formatted,
either."
(Note the comma! Also, I've replaced "generally" with "usually" for
the sake of change. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to run like
buggery in ------------> that direction ...)
Michael J. Schülke
> You're not very nice are you?
>
> "I'd love to see you prove me wrong, but I bet you won't."
He is, however, most probably correct.
Michael
Flesh-eating Dragon
> rebecca posted:
>
>> thank you mathew
>>
>> if people stop critising me unlike you
[...]
> Methinks you don't understand. IMHO Matthew was criticizing
> the tone and not neccessarily the content.
I don't follow you. Rebecca had just thanked Matthew for being one of
(in her opinion) few people who *wasn't* criticising.
Incidentally, I'm working on a reply to the thread. But I want it to
be a reply to the *whole* thread, to be posted all in one go. When I
have read every post so far, I will post my response, which is being
composed in a text editor as I go along.
Adrian.
Kimberley Verburg
>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>> I would suggest "walking away" from this thread rather than worrying
>> about replying to each and every post [...]
>
>I think that's good advice for everyone. We've seen this before, a newbie
>comes in, makes a mistake and gets some helpful advice [1]. Unfortunately,
>when fifteen people are telling you you have to change or else, it doesn't
>*feel* like helpful advice. It feels like being mobbed. So the newbie
>retaliates, leading to more people joining in and making the poor newbie
>feel even more beleaguered.
You're quite right. Not that I was refraining from contributing for such a
good reason, I was busy packing for CCDE [3] as I'm leaving today. And
buying stuff with garlic in it to share. And buying cider from Normandy.
Then returning the cider from Normandy for another bottle that *did* have
its cork properly put in. I've just about scrubbed the smell out of my
bag...
[3] As we're in a newbie thread, that's the Clarecraft Discworld Event
taking place this weekend in Suffolk. It's hundreds of fans camping in a
field, who will occasionally tear themselves away from their drinks and
conversation for a signing by Terry, a costume contest or a jam session.
>[2] I'm sorry. I seem to have used the words 'afp' and 'focussed' in
>the same sentence.
Wonder who we'd be a focus group for?
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Kimberley Verburg
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